September 17, 2025 • 49 mins
All hell breaks loose in Alien: Earth “Emergence.” Jason and Rosie are recapping the episode and then breaking it all down in theory corner with producers Joelle and Carmen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode contains spoilers for Alien Earth episode seven Emergence
be Warner. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
In today's episode, we are opening the air locom walking
into the very dangerous realm of Alien Half episode seven.
We are going to be recapping it, and then we
will be joined by Joel and Common to speculate about
upcoming finale. Joel, do you want to be in for
the recap too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I can hang out?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, Okay. We are joined by super producer Joel to
do our recap and then will be bringing in Common
to speculate about the upcoming Binali. But first let's do it, Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let's freak out time. Emergence Alien Earth episode seven slightly
has dragged Arthur and the Face Hugger to his room
all alone through the vent system.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I just there's what I mean. They go to have
bed a security. I know I'm repeating myself.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm like I mean, it's insane that.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
He vent system as well that like you call, I
feel like there should be a camera in the event
at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Just to get this further out of the way. Also
before we really get into it, he got Arthur there
alone but then needs help getting him to the beach.
He doesn't need help getting into the beach. He could
have carried him shoulder to the beach by himself.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oging something from the stand like a second person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can I get it? But he can jump one hundred
feet off a canyon and land on his feet. Yeah, actually,
and he dragged own deadweight man alone through the events
like he can.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I will say anyway, there is there is a power
and consistency issue with hybrids are allowed. It does a
ky in this episode.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So he quite charmingly is is concerned that the face
hugger is not letting Arthur breathe, so he tries to
like move the legs over a little bit so there's
like a little breathing hole. Of course that we know
that that's not going to work. Face Hugger just kind
of tightens on Arthur's.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Next thing some water, and he's like, is he choking
the storm?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Why don't they should have looked for that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They should have had these hybrids, Like when they saw
this stuff happening, they should have made them watch it.
They saw how scared they were. That could have been
a good way to stop them getting involved.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
A lad too late, it's too late for all of this. Anyway,
there's a knock it Smee. Smee first forces his way
in because he's like, you're in there, you're doing something.
Goes in there, sees Arthur's arms sticking out under the bed,
and slightly is like trying to tell Smee everything in
this like burst of emotion, like my family, they're gonna
murder them, and I need your help, and oh my god,
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I didn't mean to do it. I didn't know what
was gonna happen, but they have my mom and Smee
is of course too panic to process any of this
what's going on. All that really cuts through is slightly
telling me I need your help to get this guy
to the beach. Help me, and he agrees. Meanwhile, alarms
are going off, finally going off down in the lab.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How did it take this long? Guy?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Why now? And not before?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I gotta tell you, guys, I feel like you know
Noah Holy. He's the kind of guy where people are like,
he's got a plan, He's got a scheme, He's like
laying it all out. He knows the long game. I
want no Holy to one there and explain the security systems.
I need to see the blueprints because I'm having issues
with that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It could be that Kersh suppressed the alarms till now.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I do think that generally he's he's doing some kind
of shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But it'd be great to know for sure, Like what anyway,
So the bugs are flying all over the place. They're
spitting acid on like every thing that's metal or plastic
so that they can eat it. Two guards enter after
Curse overrides the doors. They like shock the bugs with
the batons and they get them into containers and then
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it's safe for boy Genius to come down. He comes
in and Borgenius sees that Toodles is melted and dead
and that's six billion down the drain. Kersh tells Boy Genius,
this was not an accident. It wasn't like kids messing around.
This happened on purpose. Let's watch the tape. They watch
the tape and it's clear that the eye will call
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the sheet who will will will call either the Eye
or the sheep interchangeably over the course of this recap
plan this, and boy Genius is like, Wow, that's so cool,
that's so exciting. I want to study the eye further.
Wendy comes down, sees tootles and realizes is like, wait,
what happened. She gets the infuriating answer that science happened
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from ker crazy I would yeah. Wendy then realizes, oh,
wait a second, we can die, and then realizes furthermore
that nothing about what they're doing is safe. She tries
to leave. The guards stand in her way for a second,
and then she like whisper, whispers something or like hunger games,
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whistles something to her alien, and the alien bangs on
the glass like hey, let go on, my mom, and
boy Genius realizes that as she leaves, realizes that, oh shit,
Wendy's going to go tell the rest of the Sense
what happened, Like okay, let's make sure that doesn't happen.
Kurse then realizes all the trackers on the Sense are off,
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and so now as Wendy walks out the door, no
one knows where anybody is. That they're all in the wind.
Wendy tells her brother what has happened that you know,
Toodles is dead, Tootles slash, Isaac is dead and we're
not safe, YadA YadA. Joe's like, okay, we gotta leave.
We're leaving. I conspired with Arthur to turn off your
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trackers so we can leave. We can get out of here.
And She's like, well, we got to get the rest
of everybody, and Joe's like no, you fucking know, just
you and me, like let's get out of here, but
Wendy has her way. They go to see Nibs. Curly
is there too. Curly thinks that whatever Wendy said freaked
out Nibs, and Wendy's like no, because they raised.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Her memory and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And Nibs, meanwhile, is the reboot clearly didn't work because
she's adamant in a scary and ominous way that nobody
is ever going to mess with her insides again. We
get more Epstein Island. Wendy tells them listen, Isaac is dead, uh,
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and we have to leave because they're doing bad stuff here.
Curly is like, how dare you talk about boy genius
that way? Gilled. She's you don't understand him, and you
and uh, you don't get it. When is the best
place I've ever been? That's right, And so clearly Curly
is going to stay. But Wendy makes her promise like
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don't tell boy genius, and I actually think there's a
chance because clearly Curly sees this as her opportunity to
be the best kid, the most favorite kid.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So she might keep the secret if it means she
can be the best kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So Wendy, I guess, feels like they need a distraction.
So she hacks into the security system with her little
uh finger touch and opens the xenomorph cage, which is
one way I think to that abstraction. Maybe there were
other ways, but this is the way that.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
She chose the best and easiest DI strategy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and again this is no critique of Wendy. I
think this is a good distraction. I am once again
back to the security system. Sere the moment that you
realized there were like dangerous animals in here, you should
have just put two and two together, like, oh, she
can literally like communicate and control. They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So this was the authorization code. They need your something.
You can't just file the doors.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The robot has to say something, and then an adam
has to say something.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Has to be there physically, like one person in the
control room and one person physically at the door before unlock.
It's something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Same way. They shouldn't have sent poor old Isaac down
there either, Like there was a terrible idea that that child.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think I'm beginning to realize that Kirsh played all
this anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think has been enjoying a lot of experimentation on
boy Genius's dime.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, so the xenomorph gets out and immediately murks like
three four cleaners in the lab and nothing is gonna
stop it. Dame is sadly looking at pictures of her husband,
who she thinks is still alive but merely fired from
the company. When Boi g comes this here and he's
so pissed. He's like, Arthur turned the synth trackers off?
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How long have you known about it?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You're gonna tell me you don't know anything what's going
And Dame is like what who?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
What I don't know? And then it's the sound of
the breech alarms going off. That finally breaks this conversation off,
and boy Genius realizes, oh shit, the creatures are out. Meanwhile, Slightly,
it's me here carrying Arthur in the huger to the
beach when Kersh finds them and slightly immediately spills everything
about Morrow, and Curseh's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I
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don't know. I know about that. I don't give a
shit about that. Here's the problem, because you guys need
to take the secure elevator because that's the fastest one
to the Oh my god, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Where I saw the people come invade the island. Please
go interact with them that way.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Wow, yeah, curse.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Were enough.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
We weren't.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
First of all, we were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We were absolutely we were right from very early on
that he is a plant. Yes, okay, So Wendy, NIBBs
and Joe are out there in the jungle trying to
get to the boat, and that's when they come to
is this the official graveyard of the kids? Why did
they listen? I'm glad they did this.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But also why did I make it like a pet
cemetery or something like this is like inevitably gonna be back.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Why would you why would you do this, Why would
you actually put up a graveyard? Why wouldn't you just
bury him in a pit and not leave anybody? Very
confusing and the people working, I think this is and Dame,
and I was gonna say yeah, because author and.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Kids were holding when they were on the table are
placed on top of the graves. They were the ones
that insisted that it's really important to make sure that
the children age gradually into adulthood. I think they're the
only people that we've seen have any kind of respect
for like human life decency.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So in this case, I guess it's weird choice, but
I do think it was them.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I agree, Yeah, yeah, you're you're probably right, certainly, Arthur
more than more than Damy. Let's take a quick break,
and we were right back with a bit more chaos,
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and we're back slightly and sm have to hide from
a defense patrol and when they look back home, wonderful
slapstick like lially five.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Seconds, I legit was screaming like this was so funny,
so good has gonody?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought as well, grabbed it
and brought it to like the snot nest in order
to and two minutes so that it could exactly, it
could give birth in a controlled environment. But anyway, they
look back and Arthur's gone, and the face Hugger falls
dead from the tree. It has crawled off to die
and Arthur. They look over there and Arthur is just
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standing there, not realizing anything that just happens, like what
are we doing on it slightly tries to make up
a bunch of stuff like there's been a decontamination and
your wife is waiting for you on the beach and
we can't go back to the lab because of the
stuff that's going on there, so let's get out of here.
It becomes clear Arthur is like no memory of the
last twenty four hours, and he thanks the kids for
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what he thinks is like some sort of life saving
intervention that they've done because of what's going on back
in the lab. They are strolling to the beach and
Arthur is like having these snippets of the face Hugger
jumping on him and just bad stuff, and he's like, no,
something wrong, there is something wrong. Yeah, can we go
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back and let's go back and figure out, you know,
whatever you guys are trying to do. I can tell
you guys are lying because you're bad at it. Let's
go back and we can work this all out. Don't worry,
like no one's gonna get in trouble hands.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh my god, this is a good emotional payoff moment
because Atha I felt like was a kind of a
whatever character till this point in the show, like he's
mostly on the sides. But they do such a good
job pair of you using that dramatic irony that you
understand to make you really feel complicit and like pull
it through this.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But they shot this entire scene is kind of brilliant,
Like they shoot a lot of it chest up, so
if you know, like like you know, you're like, okay,
well now the chest burster comes out, and so the
whole time, yeah yeah, yeah, you're like waiting for it,
but you can't quite see his chest. You're like, what's
going on. I thought the actual chest burster scene was
filmed really well. It's not trying to feel really duplicate
the original or anything. It's just as and like seeing
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the chessco conka first and then the thing jump out,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They go to the tight kind of slow blood splatter
reaction on the faces, just like the original alien. So
the chest burster pops and the alien slithers off into
the jungle, and Slightly is like, oh my god, I
gotta get the alien. It's Smee meanwhile is like an
absolute I want to just say any of this.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I want to shout out the actor who plays sme
who is Jonathan j And I just think like this
is the performance throughout every single time when I watched
the episodes. I want to look after him, like he
is the one who makes me believe he is a child,
and he is like the lost person that I wanted
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to get caught up in this Slightly situation because he
is just plays it so young and so scared and
so realistic. And I just think for me, he is
like the most believable of the kids. And I felt
like this is a really strong episode for that, and
it's just yeah, I want to protect.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Me the horrors of being a child, you know, throughout
the series, and I think really nailed it here, Like
what do you think about Like I had a very
like a pretty good childhood, you know, but like I
it was like the worst. You have no agency, you
don't know what you don't know, you don't know what
to ask for it's all very confusing, and you feel
this need to like be an adult and to be
an independent person, and so there's not a lot of
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like absolutely Slightly's journey, it's so freaking Relatable's like I
have to protect my family, I have to do this
solo and watching like and Snee's best buddy. Like to
your point, Jason, like, no, you probably didn't needs me
for this, but like that emotional support of like me
and I are always together, he'll help me will be
then to watch that completely like fade away and then yeah,
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in the next scene when he he's like I did everything,
I did all of it. I just I was blown
away by the different levels of like slight trauma that
they are able to blow up. Yeah, exactly intense monstrous
moment throughout this episode. And there's a lot of critique
in here, but I thought this episode was pretty strong
on a lot of different things, and on that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Horror the character stuff starts to really pay off for
me here. It's just I do I questioned some of
the choices.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That's a little just hitting.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
We get it. We get a scene of that's quite
touching with Curly now struggling with all that Wendy has
said to her and everything that's currently going on in
the lab. She goes to Damon basically yeah, treats Dame
as a surrey At mother figure, which breaks Dame's heart.
You could see she does love it. It also breaks
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her heart and hopefully, yes, realize what a terrible person
she is. Is she like, wake up curly, Yeah, likely.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Hind of Damon off that having some kind of child
who died, I was really getting those vibes.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, and that might see never had a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I never had it. There's some kind of surrogate aspect
here that both of them.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yes, you watch episode one. In the background of a
scene when they're first introducing Wendy to the table, you
can hear them very quietly talking about like, oh, should
we have.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Children or whatever?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh, and she's like, these are our children now? And
Carmen in the chat is saying that there's like a
photo of a child on the wall, which is possible.
So I do think you guys are in the right
realm of like they were like maybe they had a
kid and lost it. Maybe they were thinking of trying
to have kids soon, And for whatever reason, Dame has
been like, these are just gonna be the kids, like,
this is what we can't have access to, so let's
just raise these obvious and it's clear. Arthur's like, I
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would like a life out like off this island.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Eventually, Yeah, and he was right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You me and Slightly keep going with just Arthur's corpse.
Now they arrive at the beach and the Utaani Sealed
Team six comes out of the water with Morrow and
the lead. He is mad at Slightly for bringing sme,
but realizes instantly that we've lost the alien, so we
need to go look for it. Slightly is trying to
make excuses and says like, listen, you didn't tell me.
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You told me I had two days for the gestation
period and it popped like a day later. Like none
of this is of course registering. Morrow then orders his
forces to take the sense with him. Just capture the sins,
take them with Adam is updating Boy Genius about current
ongoing stuff in the facility. The xenomorphous is in the
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wind it it escaped through a pipe and is now
running around the island. No sign of the sinse Boy Genius, meanwhile,
is like, whatever, whatever, let's talk about this sheep. I
love this sheep. This sheep is fucking crazy. That's why
I brought it to my podcast studio. I want to
talk to this sheep, and just like in my favorite
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movie Contact, I'm going to use maths to talk to
the sheep. And he writes pie like on a notepad
and is like three point one, Okay, what are the
other decimals? The following decimals. The sheep starts stamping out
like the next three numbers, but then makes the Shin
is like that's enough. Come on, I proved I'm smart, right,
fuck you? And boy Genius is like, oh my god,
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this is awesome. But we got to put the e
into a person so I can talk to it. And
he's like, oh, I know, just I know who to use,
but we don't. It doesn't go any further. We just
I love I want to talk about it theory corner.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love that. He was just like, I'll go make
you a list people.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Immediately Adam Adam is going to the boats to the
boat launch and to leave. Sonys and Joe head to
the boat launch and they were ambushed by the seals.
Wendy is like, you guys better get the fuck out
of here. Before it's too late. Uh, you better leave
right now.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh this sorry, this is before they get to boat
lotch just in the jungle, and she's like, you're not
gonna leave, okay, watch this, and she did. She does
her little and the comes and instantly kills the seals.
Nibs fucking loves it. Save this for later when we
talk about why these sins should be turned off. Immediately,
Joe is mad at letting at Wendy for letting the
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Xenomorph out, and Wendy's talking to it. She wipes some
little blood off of its little eye thing whatever that
kind of like space where the eye should be, and
then it runs off and she's like, Joe, I told
it to hide and follow us, so don't worry about
stuff baby Zenomorph. Meanwhile, I think baby Xenomorph is captured.
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We are seem to find out is captured by Kersh.
Morrow marches Sme and Slightly into the facility, where they're
met by Prodigy security forces led by Kersh, and he
has Moro taken into custody. Meanwhile, Wendy, Joe, and Nibs
get to the dock. Joe's search and rescue team confronts
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them and NIBBs. NIBBs is like, we're not going back.
We're never going back, and she rips off one of
Joe's friend's jaw. Listen, I loved it. I love that
this happened, but again, we can't have these things running
around long term. Wendy calls the alien. Joe shocks Wendy
down as like the alien is about to kill and
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she's maybe about to kill one of his search and
rescue buddies. Wendy is like furious about this, what did
you do? And then we get a very like unsatisfying
and kind of weird, drawn out ending to the episode
where everybody's having this standoff on the boat. Let's take
a quick break, let's be in this recap, and then
when we return, we will welcome in Carmen and we
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will talk about this episode.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Welcome Carmen.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Hello, thanks for having How are you doing common, I'm great.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I loved this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, let's let's talk some theory corner kursh I feel
like it has although it seems that he has other
goals which we are unclear about, right, but I think
that it's clear that you Tani had him and Morrow
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in a bake off for who can get the alien.
Because the way Kersh is like, haha, finders keepers I
won led me to believe that. I think we were
right that Kirsh is a model, is like is a
planted Utani can I Postmen has a beautiful theory.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Karmen was texting me about it this morning and I
was freaking out. Was like, this is the best.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
While I love the idea that you Tani, Yeah, like
I love the idea. We've got this corporate espionage thing
going on. I think Kersh, however, it in it for himself.
I think Kersh wants his own autonomy and I think
I'm thinking like West World when I am thinking about that,
and just just kind of he is looking at the children.
(23:12):
He is thinking, oh sorry, no go ahead, no bed Well,
I was gonna say, he's looking at the children and
he's finding I think he's manipulating these scenarios in a
way where he's doing things that he's finding loopholes around
his programming. He can't actually kill boy Cavalier, he can't
harm anyone, but he can let chaos just unleash and
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do for him.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Essentially, get to your pointing, Oh, sorry, God, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Just gonna say what you what you had said, It
was really interesting to me in your your text was
this idea of like the show has posed, like started
off with this idea of like these are since these
are hybrids, and this idea we all the interactions we've
had between Morrow and Kersh are sort of this back
and forth of like who's more paw powerful, like you know,
who's like most up to date, which I do you
think sort of flows into the utania of it all,
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But then yeah, too, like if you bring it back
into this idea of like, Okay, well now we have
this new type of form and he's so insistent that
the kids are not humans, and to me that really
speaks to like, okay, he has he is using the
tools around him to manipulate and get out and in
order to find like his own his own freedom. The
thing that he tells Joe in the previous episode, like
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that's not what your sister's gonna want to do, Like
she has no use for a family, She's gonna want
to go out and explore. I think he's talking about himself.
And then you had also brought up we've talked so
much about this idea of scorpion and power and who's
getting crushed and you text me it's word of You're
like curses the scorpion, and I was like, yeah, I'm
here for this. I'm gon s idea.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He's realizing that the next evolution, So what can he
do to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Just if this is the case, how I'm kind of
bored and at this point like, really, it's gonna be
another the robot has Yeah, because he's here's my issue.
It does track with Alien which in which you know
Ash goes crazy, but he goes crazy because he's been
ordered to do something that goes against his programming. So
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maybe there is a mirror thing here where Kersha's been
because of some like like utany like base programming is
being ordered to go against his master yes, and therefore
it is like going to do all this stuff. I
just hope it's not one of these like because why
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we've talked about how inconsistent like the programming, the security,
all the things out on the tech are and this
is would be too Diosex machinough for me, that boy
genius who is a genius. We have to accept this
or like why do we even give a shit would
have a synth that could just decide one day that
(25:54):
it doesn't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, this guy this true, that would fit in if as.
One of the most popular theories that I'm currently seeing
is that boy Genius is also a sin.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't buy it, and why are we experimenting? Yeah,
why are we experimenting?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Then doesn't know? That's the generalized theory is that he
thinks he's human.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And I buy into that theory, you know myself, Like
I that is something that I have been analyzing and like, oh,
I can totally see him being a puppet and Adam
I and being the actual puppeteer. But for me, I
need that ie to I need his skull to get
fucked by that eye.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I'm gonna tell you, guys can't have let's talk about
that because a obviously we all want to see that
in the finale of But I have realized from this
episode because I'll tell you an ongoing issue I have
had in this series that I think is the issue
other people have had too, is I don't know if
the character of Hermit slash Joe has any juice, Like
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I don't think he has the juice to help her
stop something. I don't think he has the juice to
inspire her to do something. I think it was an
in character that maybe doesn't work, but I do predict
that I think boy genius wants to put the eye
in Joe. I think because he wants white guy who
(27:24):
is like who looks like him, who acts like him,
to be the person who is as smart as him.
And I think that Joe. I think that I may
kill Joe. That would be bleak, I would like it,
or as Beg is hoping it will go into Joe,
it goes into Beg.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I so well, wait, hold on, I want to say that, yeah,
Joe on Joe. I agree, Joe is is a little juiceless.
Although I was because I was wondering about this. I
do think that Joe exists as the stand in for
the audience to uh, as a tool for the audience
to realize that this is not his, this is not
(28:01):
a human, this is not a person. Is because his
constant like, oh, we got to do this, and you know,
you and me, and we got to get out of here,
and I'm taking care of my sister. No, your sister
is much more capable. First, of all, this entity is
much more capable than you, and it is not your sister.
So I think that is ultimately the reason Joe exists
(28:22):
in this story is for him and us to come
to a point where we realize that these are.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Not humans and these are choice the character.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think, you know, we talked about this a little
bit last week, that it just falls a little bit black.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I like it might work more.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
If he was also pushing his sister to see that
she's not a real human. And I feel like that's
sort of lacking in within Wendy, like us not knowing
like what she's communicating or like how she's like. We
just don't kind of spend enough time with either of
them to either get the fracturing and separation of them,
or does he like where are they still together? Because
I think it's much more interesting if Wendy is not
(28:59):
that obviously the child that came in, but there's still
parts of her there. And I don't think we have
a very clear indication of like how much is robot,
how much is coated person who died? Okay, yeah, I
have a theory about this. Eye here we go. You guys,
remember when we were really obsessed with, Uh, what are
they doing with this guy just smoking these walls? He
(29:21):
calls from like a janitor or somebody who's like hyper replaceable,
And I said, like yeah, and just from a creep factor,
like the costuming of the mold guy is like creaky always.
It's like bulky. It's got like a pretty like standout
silhouette where you would notice it in a dark kind
of shadowy space and if you put that like Medie
(29:42):
Moody eye in it. I just think from a character
design perspective, it looks really cool. And you know, we
only have one episode left, like I don't know, and
then we're sad or whatever. Screw that. Just show me
another cool creature that goes out in control and that's
what I like. Boys, Cavalier's own humans kills him and
we can move on at this point.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh sorry, there's one more creature. Oh there's no more
teature that we haven't seen an action yet, and that's
that weird plant like creature.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I really hope they're saving him to the finale. Something's
really cool and creepy. Yeah, he'd be slithering all around. Yeah,
I think at this point, you know, we were touching
on it a little bit earlier we said a lot
of people would need to die in this episode, which
we were correct. We were too close to the end.
We have to do a big quelling and we got that.
I think for the ending we need fireworks so everybody's
on the island, their house together. The lines have been drawn.
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I do think we need a U Tanni drop in
to either clarify she's been running both sides, and or
to be like the period at the end of this sentence,
to be like, Okay, it's prodigy is burned down. You
Tani is taking us over. We got our guys back.
What wait are you guys hoping as we step into
the finale to see what questions do you need answered?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Most?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yes, That's why I was gonna say, Jason, what do
you feel like is your biggest Like? How could what
what would happen that would make a finale so good
it makes the rest of the season better. That's what
I'm interested in because we saw we saw reviews for
this whole season from critics who had had the whole season,
and they were saying nine out of ten, they were saying,
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this is similar to and or level. I need to
know what happens.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Level and I don't think anything could happen and nothing
could happen in the finale that would lift a hand or.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, but I thought I had that potential in the
first two episodes, but.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It did maybe yea out there are I mean there
are Listen, this is a great show. There are various
cacing problems throughout that keep it from being like illegally elite.
That said, I think we would need to I would
need to see something that would make me understand how
we could have a season two. I think that's those
(31:56):
the because at this point, I'm like, how could we
have a season? It does?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I feel like it's going to be a closed loop
at this point.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, how would it be possible to have one?
And you know, it has been kind of dropping hints
about how it could happen, how it could work. So
I guess I would need to see. I guess I
would need to see how, yeah, how that could happen.
I would need to I would need answers about like
Whomorrow is working for, who Kersh is working for, what
Kirsh's motivations are, and how it is that the earth
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that exists after this is not like just lousy with
various aliens running around to and fro, like how did
they stop this?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's what I would know, That's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
What I need.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I would like a zoom out. I would like a
zoom out to see how this is going to impact
the world, How this is going to impact Prodigy, how
this is going to impact these corporations that we know
now are kind of shaping the world. And I will
say that was a big change, you know, for a
lot of like deep Alien readers who had read a
lot of the comics or I'd read a lot of
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the books. This was a of the corporations that we
know who were currently active at the time. So I
want them to deliver on that because I'm all for
changing or shifting Cannon, but I always wanted to add
something new. So I want to kind of know, like Jason,
where we are, where we stand at the end, and
then that will tell me whether or not I'm really
(33:19):
hyped for a second season.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Carmen, what do you need?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Finally, I have us.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I think I have simpler needs.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I would love for a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Of these loops to be closed on, especially I remember
in the first three episodes of the season, I was
really obsessed with that mold scrubber and just like what
was going on.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
With Yeah, why were they showing him so much?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
I felt like he was heavily featured in the first
few episodes and then not later on. I am glad
that now those powers that Wendy had early on in
the season are starting to come back into play.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
But I just need to know, like, yeah, like, is
that I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Gonna get boy genius?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Enough Eye, Yeah, there has really not been enough.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I have definitely been the breakout.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, I love him. I've been calling her, uh in
addition to iOpus Dolly because Dolly is the first sheep
that got called and I just feel like it's appropriate.
Uh So this is our Eye, Dolly, our octopus iOpus.
I really yeah, I would I need it. Seems like
the Eye has been scheming as well, and I need
all of the schemes to come together. Yes we have
(34:29):
heard that question, Yes we The question that kept coming
up throughout this episode is what have you done? And
this lack of like communication and understanding, there's like a
lot of betrayals in here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I would like to see some aliens working together. I
would like to see y'all like teaming up because it's
clear they're so all in communication and all have the
same goals. I think they're all from the same planet. Yes,
do you think they're from the Predator planet? The more
I think about out it. Carmen and I were also
(35:01):
texting about some of those traits of Predator showing up
in the fly Alien definitely, and so I I think,
you know, we know predators like to breed xenomorphs and
have their kids hunt them as like training exercises.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And also the movie is coming out so soon Predator exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
It feels like it was with a Utah exactly, and
so so I would really like to see like both
like how are these creatures working together and why do
they have like what's their end goal? Because it can't
just I mean maybe it is just escape, But is
that like let's get on a ship and get out
of here? Does that take over the plane?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Aliens?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And then I need me to get to safety. Someone
protects my son, my sweet don't kill prepared.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I would also say for me, and this is going
to be this is less what I want to see.
This is what I think is going to happen because
I understand how they telegraph these things because I watch
a lot of shows and movies that use these tropes,
and I do love them. Look, am I somebody who
loves Terminator too? And I love a child sidekick? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Do.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I often enjoy the parts of shows like this where
people where, you know, like they think it's like an
arm pumping moment and everyone's rolling their eyes, but I'm
pumping my arm. Yes, I do believe at some point
in that serial, like in the finale, they are going
to have a moment with Wendy like running alongside the
Xenomorph like they are a team, and Alien fans around
(36:32):
the world they're gonna hate it, and depending on how
they do it, I'm probably gonna love it. But I'm interested.
I feel like that is inevitable, and I feel like
from the critiques I've been seeing of the show, I
don't think that's gonna enamor anyone more.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I will hate it. I would that all the way.
I think the reason that I mean, listen, the story
of Alien is always that you think you can control
nature and you can't exactly, and it would so it
would be a weirdly discordant note for me if it
(37:06):
was like, actually, we can make them pets, but this
is the next mine.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Okay, can I can? I can I pod? In theory, though,
these are two uncontrollable forces of nature and she is
not trying to control, simply to communicate with, and if
they see each other as being on the same side,
that's somewhat interesting to me. I agree that if it's
like this is my pet, and I like use it
like a Pokemon or like go gos, you know more
than I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Far been using it as a fucking Pokemon.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Which honestly I'm sure like Sniper friend like, she's just like, okay,
we're like six Clicks of the South. Can you just
take these guys out?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
He's like, yeah, the idea, I do think the idea
that like we have that you know, these scientists have
like unwittingly created or engaged with, like two super predators,
one that they created and one that they got on
another planet. Yeah, which leads me further to even feel
more strongly that all these syths needs to be shut
(38:04):
off immediately. JA got them down, kids, You've been bamboozled
into believing their names. Just tore a guy's fucking jaw
because I hate that guy, But so you think that
she's not going to tear anybody else's jaw off the people.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I think people people and people people at people.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
That is it is listen. If they are to be
if they are to know, if they are to be
allowed to continue to exist, they must be nerved. We
cannot have these child like ais that are capable of
tearing off people's limbs. Children should not have mentally balanced
(38:55):
and can also like hack into every computer and talk
to aliens like we we just like, can we at
least give them like human level strength and abilities.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Before we're like, yeah, let run around. Yes, I think
that that is sensible. I will also say, I my
other gut feeling is that a good emotional arc for
Wendy and his animal would be if the xenomorph killed Joe,
like because that is a reality. Like, I don't think
(39:28):
kill him, kill him.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I did almost kill him.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
She has to and now it's just seen him shot
her right like now he I think that she has
to realize there is a human cost that she can't
comprehend having, and I think it should be Joe. Sorry,
Alex Lotha, I love it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's got to be Joe I also agree that it
should be Joe, that it should like incapacitate him and
try to drag him to the eggs.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think I think most interesting is if Wendy takes
out Joe.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I would.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Left about their relationship. It's like we're we're not on
the same page. You willfully took out Nibs, which to
her is like, that's my younger sibling, like I ushered
her into this space. That's nuts. You're not listening to me.
You don't hear me. I identify more with the alien creature.
I'm telling you, if they team up, that can work,
so long as she turns into one of them and
(40:24):
she's fully on their side and she's like, no, Joe,
you gotta go. That to me makes Any twenty much
more interesting and it gives us a good jumping off
point for season two.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I think the I just I'm interested in what
an alien's motivation besides like reproduce is yes, and I
think that's also a dangerous thing for this. I agree
if they do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
This is the thing I think that you. I think
this is as we were talking about all of this,
and we are talking about you know, the sense and hybrids,
and we've had so much fun covering the show, and
early on I really thought it was a contender for
Show of the year. First two episodes I just thought
was so fantastic. But I will say I think all
critique of where we are at and where the show
(41:11):
is is fair because this isn't just a spin off
of a thing or a you know, a reboot of
a thing. It is also like nowadays, we are adding law,
we are adding context, we are adding you know, retroactive history.
And one thing I will say that most other shows
(41:32):
that do this do not have to contend with is
like hr Geiger's xenomorph as it exists in the first
Alien movie. You know, with that Ridley Scott perceived and
the way that the two of them worked together, it
was so unknowable and terrifying that that is why Alien
is good. And I think that as much as I
(41:54):
love the broadening and I love this, I do think
like to have Wendy able to control like a Pokemon,
it could it takes away some of the fear.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I agree, I completely agree. I hope that, I really
hope that what happens at the end of this is
that it doesn't she loses quote unquote control of it
if she ever had it, Because I do think that
ultimately the alien exists to implant its eggs in mammals,
and it wants to do that, and it's not going
(42:27):
to do that the planet. Yeah, and I think and
I think the other you know, Listen, the lesson that
humans are going to take away from this entire debacle
is that we almost did it. We almost figured out
way to way to control them, right, a couple of tweaks,
a couple of tweaks in the algorithm, or a couple
of tweaks to the synth hybrid algorithm. We're just firmer
(42:50):
controls where it doesn't, has less free will, right, and
is more clear about how it's how it's communicating with
the alien, so we can learn how to do it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
And we can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Like, well, that can't be the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I have to say. I kind of think that maybe
the best finale actually is like the Hubris of Whale
and Utani as a corporation or something. You see them
at the end basically just being like, we've got the
next step in human evolution and it's this, and we're
gonna send a ship in to get it and blah
blah blah and kind of it is. And then you know,
(43:25):
you do a zoom away of the island and it's
just all the dead bodies being fucking like pulled off
the island like that hubris of humanity. Because, like Jason,
I think you summed it up so well. The only
thing that anyone's gonna take from this is we almost
did it. And that is actually a pretty powerful message
of the show, is like, yeah, you got to go
on all these adventures, but guess what, these motherfuckers are dead,
(43:47):
and it's just gonna continue to be a cycle of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I mean there's so many there's so many animals on
this island, Like this place is going to be full
of aliens like three days.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, it's gonna be crazy. You know what. I'm not
gonna lie that. Jason was cracking when you mentioned this
a minute ago. Was thinking about one of my favorite
recent tweets where you were kind of talking about the
pokemon of it all. I think a lot about it
was it was like a tweet somebody did that was
like the Jurassic World movies are so funny to me
because it's just about white people who think they could
(44:22):
make dinosaurs their pets, you know, and everyone like Chris
Chris Prat's just going around like put giving it the
hand and the rat. And I think that there is
something kind of funny and subversive if the show is
playing on those tropes and kind of reveals in the
finale that that even if you are a hybrid, you
we saw it killed it killed Isaac, like they killed
(44:45):
my boy. They killed them. No problem food.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I mean, that's no food.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's their food, Like, that's not they You spent six
billion dollars on it, but for them, it's like a
fry up at the local cafe, like two pounds. They
don't care. Like so I think from this conversation, I
would be very in trusted to see how they play
with maybe our expectations of what we think we're gonna
get and what they actually do, and kind of whether
or not that Hubris is going to be at the
(45:10):
heart of it, because I think that's very could be
very fun and Wendy.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I think it's the Hubris of Wendy. I'm waiting to
see if that, uh, if anything pays off of that,
because I think I'm saying a little overly familiar, like yeah,
I've got this, I've got this alien on lock like
he follows me.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
She's like I know everything, Like yeah, exactly, I'm the oldest,
Like I feel like it's really accurate. Okay, wait, guys,
if there is a winner, if we if we get
to the end of episode eight and there is a conclusive,
I need it to be the Eye.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah. I know.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I was gonna say this.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
I'm rooting for the kids. I know that that's the
unpower sweet.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I also love a good kid.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Because we know a season two is coming, I'm rooting
for kersh to him, just because I've been really enjoying
his journey.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I will see.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's a little too in the background for me. I
wish that they had beefed up.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I agree, he's a bit too.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Maybe it's a little too trophy, But I thought we
were like the evil villain speech when he like, you
have a whole army at your back, you're finding fronting
your enemy, and it felt good like it, But then
that was like is that it like where it was incompletely?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It was a little weird too, for like all the
security guys to just be like, Okay, we're following Kersh
to do what's.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Just to understand this should have been the reveal of like,
this just cursed. This is what he'd been doing in
the background the whole time here and then tomorrow to
be our winner in the next season.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Here is my hope, and I hope that the Eye
gets into Boy Genius. It convinces Adam and Kersh to
keep working hard.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's gonna wear sunglasses or some thankful all the time now,
and it's going to just because obviously, I think it
would be a fucking disaster for the stock price if
it was revealed that Boy Genius was either synse or
that Adam was pulling strings or like any of these
things don't really work for me because it's like, how
(47:19):
do you have a company after this? I think what
they will I think what the workaround will be. Okay,
the Eye is now our CEO, and we'll just like
let that.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
I think honestly, and that, honestly would actually be a
pretty deep sting podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, start wearing that's what we'll know.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
We'll be like everyone is like it would be really
funny because Jason's just like really happy they got into
the pan analogy. But now the Eye is just like
doing super super super super fucked up and just like, well,
thank god he's not reading Pea Pan anymore, like he's
talking about famous eyes throughout history. But yeah, I would
I mean I would love that because it would be
(48:10):
a pretty deep statement on what CEOs are willing to
put up with from execs to keep things going. So yeah,
I would love to see that. Well, so we should
make an extra vision I T shirt. I feel like
we've been supporting that eye for the whole time.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Listen, the eye has been through hell and I just
love the Eye to get out of that little container. YEA,
all right, extra vision, We're heading back to school as
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
In today's episode, we are opening the air locom walking
into the very dangerous realm of Alien Half episode seven.
We are going to be recapping it, and then we
will be joined by Joel and Common to speculate about
upcoming finale. Joel, do you want to be in for
the recap too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I can hang out?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, Okay. We are joined by super producer Joel to
do our recap and then will be bringing in Common
to speculate about the upcoming Binali. But first let's do it, Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let's freak out time. Emergence Alien Earth episode seven slightly
has dragged Arthur and the Face Hugger to his room
all alone through the vent system.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I just there's what I mean. They go to have
bed a security. I know I'm repeating myself.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm like I mean, it's insane that.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
He vent system as well that like you call, I
feel like there should be a camera in the event
at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Just to get this further out of the way. Also
before we really get into it, he got Arthur there
alone but then needs help getting him to the beach.
He doesn't need help getting into the beach. He could
have carried him shoulder to the beach by himself.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oging something from the stand like a second person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can I get it? But he can jump one hundred
feet off a canyon and land on his feet. Yeah, actually,
and he dragged own deadweight man alone through the events
like he can.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I will say anyway, there is there is a power
and consistency issue with hybrids are allowed. It does a
ky in this episode.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So he quite charmingly is is concerned that the face
hugger is not letting Arthur breathe, so he tries to
like move the legs over a little bit so there's
like a little breathing hole. Of course that we know
that that's not going to work. Face Hugger just kind
of tightens on Arthur's.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Next thing some water, and he's like, is he choking
the storm?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Why don't they should have looked for that.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They should have had these hybrids, Like when they saw
this stuff happening, they should have made them watch it.
They saw how scared they were. That could have been
a good way to stop them getting involved.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
A lad too late, it's too late for all of this. Anyway,
there's a knock it Smee. Smee first forces his way
in because he's like, you're in there, you're doing something.
Goes in there, sees Arthur's arms sticking out under the bed,
and slightly is like trying to tell Smee everything in
this like burst of emotion, like my family, they're gonna
murder them, and I need your help, and oh my god,
(03:19):
I didn't mean to do it. I didn't know what
was gonna happen, but they have my mom and Smee
is of course too panic to process any of this
what's going on. All that really cuts through is slightly
telling me I need your help to get this guy
to the beach. Help me, and he agrees. Meanwhile, alarms
are going off, finally going off down in the lab.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
How did it take this long? Guy?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Why now? And not before?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I gotta tell you, guys, I feel like you know
Noah Holy. He's the kind of guy where people are like,
he's got a plan, He's got a scheme, He's like
laying it all out. He knows the long game. I
want no Holy to one there and explain the security systems.
I need to see the blueprints because I'm having issues
with that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It could be that Kersh suppressed the alarms till now.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I do think that generally he's he's doing some kind
of shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But it'd be great to know for sure, Like what anyway,
So the bugs are flying all over the place. They're
spitting acid on like every thing that's metal or plastic
so that they can eat it. Two guards enter after
Curse overrides the doors. They like shock the bugs with
the batons and they get them into containers and then
(04:33):
it's safe for boy Genius to come down. He comes
in and Borgenius sees that Toodles is melted and dead
and that's six billion down the drain. Kersh tells Boy Genius,
this was not an accident. It wasn't like kids messing around.
This happened on purpose. Let's watch the tape. They watch
the tape and it's clear that the eye will call
(04:55):
the sheet who will will will call either the Eye
or the sheep interchangeably over the course of this recap
plan this, and boy Genius is like, Wow, that's so cool,
that's so exciting. I want to study the eye further.
Wendy comes down, sees tootles and realizes is like, wait,
what happened. She gets the infuriating answer that science happened
(05:18):
from ker crazy I would yeah. Wendy then realizes, oh,
wait a second, we can die, and then realizes furthermore
that nothing about what they're doing is safe. She tries
to leave. The guards stand in her way for a second,
and then she like whisper, whispers something or like hunger games,
(05:39):
whistles something to her alien, and the alien bangs on
the glass like hey, let go on, my mom, and
boy Genius realizes that as she leaves, realizes that, oh shit,
Wendy's going to go tell the rest of the Sense
what happened, Like okay, let's make sure that doesn't happen.
Kurse then realizes all the trackers on the Sense are off,
(06:02):
and so now as Wendy walks out the door, no
one knows where anybody is. That they're all in the wind.
Wendy tells her brother what has happened that you know,
Toodles is dead, Tootles slash, Isaac is dead and we're
not safe, YadA YadA. Joe's like, okay, we gotta leave.
We're leaving. I conspired with Arthur to turn off your
(06:22):
trackers so we can leave. We can get out of here.
And She's like, well, we got to get the rest
of everybody, and Joe's like no, you fucking know, just
you and me, like let's get out of here, but
Wendy has her way. They go to see Nibs. Curly
is there too. Curly thinks that whatever Wendy said freaked
out Nibs, and Wendy's like no, because they raised.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Her memory and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And Nibs, meanwhile, is the reboot clearly didn't work because
she's adamant in a scary and ominous way that nobody
is ever going to mess with her insides again. We
get more Epstein Island. Wendy tells them listen, Isaac is dead, uh,
(07:09):
and we have to leave because they're doing bad stuff here.
Curly is like, how dare you talk about boy genius
that way? Gilled. She's you don't understand him, and you
and uh, you don't get it. When is the best
place I've ever been? That's right, And so clearly Curly
is going to stay. But Wendy makes her promise like
(07:31):
don't tell boy genius, and I actually think there's a
chance because clearly Curly sees this as her opportunity to
be the best kid, the most favorite kid.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So she might keep the secret if it means she
can be the best kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So Wendy, I guess, feels like they need a distraction.
So she hacks into the security system with her little
uh finger touch and opens the xenomorph cage, which is
one way I think to that abstraction. Maybe there were
other ways, but this is the way that.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
She chose the best and easiest DI strategy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, and again this is no critique of Wendy. I
think this is a good distraction. I am once again
back to the security system. Sere the moment that you
realized there were like dangerous animals in here, you should
have just put two and two together, like, oh, she
can literally like communicate and control. They didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So this was the authorization code. They need your something.
You can't just file the doors.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The robot has to say something, and then an adam
has to say something.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Has to be there physically, like one person in the
control room and one person physically at the door before unlock.
It's something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Same way. They shouldn't have sent poor old Isaac down
there either, Like there was a terrible idea that that child.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think I'm beginning to realize that Kirsh played all
this anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think has been enjoying a lot of experimentation on
boy Genius's dime.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, so the xenomorph gets out and immediately murks like
three four cleaners in the lab and nothing is gonna
stop it. Dame is sadly looking at pictures of her husband,
who she thinks is still alive but merely fired from
the company. When Boi g comes this here and he's
so pissed. He's like, Arthur turned the synth trackers off?
(09:23):
How long have you known about it?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What do you know?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You're gonna tell me you don't know anything what's going
And Dame is like what who?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
What I don't know? And then it's the sound of
the breech alarms going off. That finally breaks this conversation off,
and boy Genius realizes, oh shit, the creatures are out. Meanwhile, Slightly,
it's me here carrying Arthur in the huger to the
beach when Kersh finds them and slightly immediately spills everything
about Morrow, and Curseh's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I
(09:52):
don't know. I know about that. I don't give a
shit about that. Here's the problem, because you guys need
to take the secure elevator because that's the fastest one
to the Oh my god, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Where I saw the people come invade the island. Please
go interact with them that way.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Wow, yeah, curse.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Were enough.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
We weren't.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
First of all, we were absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We were absolutely we were right from very early on
that he is a plant. Yes, okay, So Wendy, NIBBs
and Joe are out there in the jungle trying to
get to the boat, and that's when they come to
is this the official graveyard of the kids? Why did
they listen? I'm glad they did this.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But also why did I make it like a pet
cemetery or something like this is like inevitably gonna be back.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Why would you why would you do this, Why would
you actually put up a graveyard? Why wouldn't you just
bury him in a pit and not leave anybody? Very
confusing and the people working, I think this is and Dame,
and I was gonna say yeah, because author and.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Kids were holding when they were on the table are
placed on top of the graves. They were the ones
that insisted that it's really important to make sure that
the children age gradually into adulthood. I think they're the
only people that we've seen have any kind of respect
for like human life decency.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So in this case, I guess it's weird choice, but
I do think it was them.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I agree, Yeah, yeah, you're you're probably right, certainly, Arthur
more than more than Damy. Let's take a quick break,
and we were right back with a bit more chaos,
(11:46):
and we're back slightly and sm have to hide from
a defense patrol and when they look back home, wonderful
slapstick like lially five.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Seconds, I legit was screaming like this was so funny,
so good has gonody?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought as well, grabbed it
and brought it to like the snot nest in order
to and two minutes so that it could exactly, it
could give birth in a controlled environment. But anyway, they
look back and Arthur's gone, and the face Hugger falls
dead from the tree. It has crawled off to die
and Arthur. They look over there and Arthur is just
(12:27):
standing there, not realizing anything that just happens, like what
are we doing on it slightly tries to make up
a bunch of stuff like there's been a decontamination and
your wife is waiting for you on the beach and
we can't go back to the lab because of the
stuff that's going on there, so let's get out of here.
It becomes clear Arthur is like no memory of the
last twenty four hours, and he thanks the kids for
(12:49):
what he thinks is like some sort of life saving
intervention that they've done because of what's going on back
in the lab. They are strolling to the beach and
Arthur is like having these snippets of the face Hugger
jumping on him and just bad stuff, and he's like, no,
something wrong, there is something wrong. Yeah, can we go
(13:09):
back and let's go back and figure out, you know,
whatever you guys are trying to do. I can tell
you guys are lying because you're bad at it. Let's
go back and we can work this all out. Don't worry,
like no one's gonna get in trouble hands.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh my god, this is a good emotional payoff moment
because Atha I felt like was a kind of a
whatever character till this point in the show, like he's
mostly on the sides. But they do such a good
job pair of you using that dramatic irony that you
understand to make you really feel complicit and like pull
it through this.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But they shot this entire scene is kind of brilliant,
Like they shoot a lot of it chest up, so
if you know, like like you know, you're like, okay,
well now the chest burster comes out, and so the
whole time, yeah yeah, yeah, you're like waiting for it,
but you can't quite see his chest. You're like, what's
going on. I thought the actual chest burster scene was
filmed really well. It's not trying to feel really duplicate
the original or anything. It's just as and like seeing
(14:03):
the chessco conka first and then the thing jump out,
I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They go to the tight kind of slow blood splatter
reaction on the faces, just like the original alien. So
the chest burster pops and the alien slithers off into
the jungle, and Slightly is like, oh my god, I
gotta get the alien. It's Smee meanwhile is like an
absolute I want to just say any of this.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I want to shout out the actor who plays sme
who is Jonathan j And I just think like this
is the performance throughout every single time when I watched
the episodes. I want to look after him, like he
is the one who makes me believe he is a child,
and he is like the lost person that I wanted
(14:51):
to get caught up in this Slightly situation because he
is just plays it so young and so scared and
so realistic. And I just think for me, he is
like the most believable of the kids. And I felt
like this is a really strong episode for that, and
it's just yeah, I want to protect.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Me the horrors of being a child, you know, throughout
the series, and I think really nailed it here, Like
what do you think about Like I had a very
like a pretty good childhood, you know, but like I
it was like the worst. You have no agency, you
don't know what you don't know, you don't know what
to ask for it's all very confusing, and you feel
this need to like be an adult and to be
an independent person, and so there's not a lot of
(15:33):
like absolutely Slightly's journey, it's so freaking Relatable's like I
have to protect my family, I have to do this
solo and watching like and Snee's best buddy. Like to
your point, Jason, like, no, you probably didn't needs me
for this, but like that emotional support of like me
and I are always together, he'll help me will be
then to watch that completely like fade away and then yeah,
(15:53):
in the next scene when he he's like I did everything,
I did all of it. I just I was blown
away by the different levels of like slight trauma that
they are able to blow up. Yeah, exactly intense monstrous
moment throughout this episode. And there's a lot of critique
in here, but I thought this episode was pretty strong
on a lot of different things, and on that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Horror the character stuff starts to really pay off for
me here. It's just I do I questioned some of
the choices.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
That's a little just hitting.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
We get it. We get a scene of that's quite
touching with Curly now struggling with all that Wendy has
said to her and everything that's currently going on in
the lab. She goes to Damon basically yeah, treats Dame
as a surrey At mother figure, which breaks Dame's heart.
You could see she does love it. It also breaks
(16:46):
her heart and hopefully, yes, realize what a terrible person
she is. Is she like, wake up curly, Yeah, likely.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Hind of Damon off that having some kind of child
who died, I was really getting those vibes.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, and that might see never had a chance.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I never had it. There's some kind of surrogate aspect
here that both of them.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yes, you watch episode one. In the background of a
scene when they're first introducing Wendy to the table, you
can hear them very quietly talking about like, oh, should
we have.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Children or whatever?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh, and she's like, these are our children now? And
Carmen in the chat is saying that there's like a
photo of a child on the wall, which is possible.
So I do think you guys are in the right
realm of like they were like maybe they had a
kid and lost it. Maybe they were thinking of trying
to have kids soon, And for whatever reason, Dame has
been like, these are just gonna be the kids, like,
this is what we can't have access to, so let's
just raise these obvious and it's clear. Arthur's like, I
(17:39):
would like a life out like off this island.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Eventually, Yeah, and he was right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You me and Slightly keep going with just Arthur's corpse.
Now they arrive at the beach and the Utaani Sealed
Team six comes out of the water with Morrow and
the lead. He is mad at Slightly for bringing sme,
but realizes instantly that we've lost the alien, so we
need to go look for it. Slightly is trying to
make excuses and says like, listen, you didn't tell me.
(18:06):
You told me I had two days for the gestation
period and it popped like a day later. Like none
of this is of course registering. Morrow then orders his
forces to take the sense with him. Just capture the sins,
take them with Adam is updating Boy Genius about current
ongoing stuff in the facility. The xenomorphous is in the
(18:26):
wind it it escaped through a pipe and is now
running around the island. No sign of the sinse Boy Genius, meanwhile,
is like, whatever, whatever, let's talk about this sheep. I
love this sheep. This sheep is fucking crazy. That's why
I brought it to my podcast studio. I want to
talk to this sheep, and just like in my favorite
(18:47):
movie Contact, I'm going to use maths to talk to
the sheep. And he writes pie like on a notepad
and is like three point one, Okay, what are the
other decimals? The following decimals. The sheep starts stamping out
like the next three numbers, but then makes the Shin
is like that's enough. Come on, I proved I'm smart, right,
fuck you? And boy Genius is like, oh my god,
(19:08):
this is awesome. But we got to put the e
into a person so I can talk to it. And
he's like, oh, I know, just I know who to use,
but we don't. It doesn't go any further. We just
I love I want to talk about it theory corner.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love that. He was just like, I'll go make
you a list people.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Immediately Adam Adam is going to the boats to the
boat launch and to leave. Sonys and Joe head to
the boat launch and they were ambushed by the seals.
Wendy is like, you guys better get the fuck out
of here. Before it's too late. Uh, you better leave
right now.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh this sorry, this is before they get to boat
lotch just in the jungle, and she's like, you're not
gonna leave, okay, watch this, and she did. She does
her little and the comes and instantly kills the seals.
Nibs fucking loves it. Save this for later when we
talk about why these sins should be turned off. Immediately,
Joe is mad at letting at Wendy for letting the
(20:13):
Xenomorph out, and Wendy's talking to it. She wipes some
little blood off of its little eye thing whatever that
kind of like space where the eye should be, and
then it runs off and she's like, Joe, I told
it to hide and follow us, so don't worry about
stuff baby Zenomorph. Meanwhile, I think baby Xenomorph is captured.
(20:36):
We are seem to find out is captured by Kersh.
Morrow marches Sme and Slightly into the facility, where they're
met by Prodigy security forces led by Kersh, and he
has Moro taken into custody. Meanwhile, Wendy, Joe, and Nibs
get to the dock. Joe's search and rescue team confronts
(20:57):
them and NIBBs. NIBBs is like, we're not going back.
We're never going back, and she rips off one of
Joe's friend's jaw. Listen, I loved it. I love that
this happened, but again, we can't have these things running
around long term. Wendy calls the alien. Joe shocks Wendy
down as like the alien is about to kill and
(21:21):
she's maybe about to kill one of his search and
rescue buddies. Wendy is like furious about this, what did
you do? And then we get a very like unsatisfying
and kind of weird, drawn out ending to the episode
where everybody's having this standoff on the boat. Let's take
a quick break, let's be in this recap, and then
when we return, we will welcome in Carmen and we
(21:42):
will talk about this episode.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Welcome Carmen.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Hello, thanks for having How are you doing common, I'm great.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I loved this episode.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Okay, let's let's talk some theory corner kursh I feel
like it has although it seems that he has other
goals which we are unclear about, right, but I think
that it's clear that you Tani had him and Morrow
(22:26):
in a bake off for who can get the alien.
Because the way Kersh is like, haha, finders keepers I
won led me to believe that. I think we were
right that Kirsh is a model, is like is a
planted Utani can I Postmen has a beautiful theory.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Karmen was texting me about it this morning and I
was freaking out. Was like, this is the best.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
While I love the idea that you Tani, Yeah, like
I love the idea. We've got this corporate espionage thing
going on. I think Kersh, however, it in it for himself.
I think Kersh wants his own autonomy and I think
I'm thinking like West World when I am thinking about that,
and just just kind of he is looking at the children.
(23:12):
He is thinking, oh sorry, no go ahead, no bed Well,
I was gonna say, he's looking at the children and
he's finding I think he's manipulating these scenarios in a
way where he's doing things that he's finding loopholes around
his programming. He can't actually kill boy Cavalier, he can't
harm anyone, but he can let chaos just unleash and
(23:37):
do for him.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Essentially, get to your pointing, Oh, sorry, God, I was.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Just gonna say what you what you had said, It
was really interesting to me in your your text was
this idea of like the show has posed, like started
off with this idea of like these are since these
are hybrids, and this idea we all the interactions we've
had between Morrow and Kersh are sort of this back
and forth of like who's more paw powerful, like you know,
who's like most up to date, which I do you
think sort of flows into the utania of it all,
(24:04):
But then yeah, too, like if you bring it back
into this idea of like, Okay, well now we have
this new type of form and he's so insistent that
the kids are not humans, and to me that really
speaks to like, okay, he has he is using the
tools around him to manipulate and get out and in
order to find like his own his own freedom. The
thing that he tells Joe in the previous episode, like
(24:27):
that's not what your sister's gonna want to do, Like
she has no use for a family, She's gonna want
to go out and explore. I think he's talking about himself.
And then you had also brought up we've talked so
much about this idea of scorpion and power and who's
getting crushed and you text me it's word of You're
like curses the scorpion, and I was like, yeah, I'm
here for this. I'm gon s idea.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
He's realizing that the next evolution, So what can he
do to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Just if this is the case, how I'm kind of
bored and at this point like, really, it's gonna be
another the robot has Yeah, because he's here's my issue.
It does track with Alien which in which you know
Ash goes crazy, but he goes crazy because he's been
ordered to do something that goes against his programming. So
(25:11):
maybe there is a mirror thing here where Kersha's been
because of some like like utany like base programming is
being ordered to go against his master yes, and therefore
it is like going to do all this stuff. I
just hope it's not one of these like because why
(25:34):
we've talked about how inconsistent like the programming, the security,
all the things out on the tech are and this
is would be too Diosex machinough for me, that boy
genius who is a genius. We have to accept this
or like why do we even give a shit would
have a synth that could just decide one day that
(25:54):
it doesn't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, this guy this true, that would fit in if as.
One of the most popular theories that I'm currently seeing
is that boy Genius is also a sin.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't buy it, and why are we experimenting? Yeah,
why are we experimenting?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Then doesn't know? That's the generalized theory is that he
thinks he's human.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
And I buy into that theory, you know myself, Like
I that is something that I have been analyzing and like, oh,
I can totally see him being a puppet and Adam
I and being the actual puppeteer. But for me, I
need that ie to I need his skull to get
fucked by that eye.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I'm gonna tell you, guys can't have let's talk about
that because a obviously we all want to see that
in the finale of But I have realized from this
episode because I'll tell you an ongoing issue I have
had in this series that I think is the issue
other people have had too, is I don't know if
the character of Hermit slash Joe has any juice, Like
(27:04):
I don't think he has the juice to help her
stop something. I don't think he has the juice to
inspire her to do something. I think it was an
in character that maybe doesn't work, but I do predict
that I think boy genius wants to put the eye
in Joe. I think because he wants white guy who
(27:24):
is like who looks like him, who acts like him,
to be the person who is as smart as him.
And I think that Joe. I think that I may
kill Joe. That would be bleak, I would like it,
or as Beg is hoping it will go into Joe,
it goes into Beg.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I so well, wait, hold on, I want to say that, yeah,
Joe on Joe. I agree, Joe is is a little juiceless.
Although I was because I was wondering about this. I
do think that Joe exists as the stand in for
the audience to uh, as a tool for the audience
to realize that this is not his, this is not
(28:01):
a human, this is not a person. Is because his
constant like, oh, we got to do this, and you know,
you and me, and we got to get out of here,
and I'm taking care of my sister. No, your sister
is much more capable. First, of all, this entity is
much more capable than you, and it is not your sister.
So I think that is ultimately the reason Joe exists
(28:22):
in this story is for him and us to come
to a point where we realize that these are.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Not humans and these are choice the character.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think, you know, we talked about this a little
bit last week, that it just falls a little bit black.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I like it might work more.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
If he was also pushing his sister to see that
she's not a real human. And I feel like that's
sort of lacking in within Wendy, like us not knowing
like what she's communicating or like how she's like. We
just don't kind of spend enough time with either of
them to either get the fracturing and separation of them,
or does he like where are they still together? Because
I think it's much more interesting if Wendy is not
(28:59):
that obviously the child that came in, but there's still
parts of her there. And I don't think we have
a very clear indication of like how much is robot,
how much is coated person who died? Okay, yeah, I
have a theory about this. Eye here we go. You guys,
remember when we were really obsessed with, Uh, what are
they doing with this guy just smoking these walls? He
(29:21):
calls from like a janitor or somebody who's like hyper replaceable,
And I said, like yeah, and just from a creep factor,
like the costuming of the mold guy is like creaky always.
It's like bulky. It's got like a pretty like standout
silhouette where you would notice it in a dark kind
of shadowy space and if you put that like Medie
(29:42):
Moody eye in it. I just think from a character
design perspective, it looks really cool. And you know, we
only have one episode left, like I don't know, and
then we're sad or whatever. Screw that. Just show me
another cool creature that goes out in control and that's
what I like. Boys, Cavalier's own humans kills him and
we can move on at this point.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh sorry, there's one more creature. Oh there's no more
teature that we haven't seen an action yet, and that's
that weird plant like creature.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I really hope they're saving him to the finale. Something's
really cool and creepy. Yeah, he'd be slithering all around. Yeah,
I think at this point, you know, we were touching
on it a little bit earlier we said a lot
of people would need to die in this episode, which
we were correct. We were too close to the end.
We have to do a big quelling and we got that.
I think for the ending we need fireworks so everybody's
on the island, their house together. The lines have been drawn.
(30:37):
I do think we need a U Tanni drop in
to either clarify she's been running both sides, and or
to be like the period at the end of this sentence,
to be like, Okay, it's prodigy is burned down. You
Tani is taking us over. We got our guys back.
What wait are you guys hoping as we step into
the finale to see what questions do you need answered?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Most?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yes, That's why I was gonna say, Jason, what do
you feel like is your biggest Like? How could what
what would happen that would make a finale so good
it makes the rest of the season better. That's what
I'm interested in because we saw we saw reviews for
this whole season from critics who had had the whole season,
and they were saying nine out of ten, they were saying,
(31:21):
this is similar to and or level. I need to
know what happens.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Level and I don't think anything could happen and nothing
could happen in the finale that would lift a hand or.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, but I thought I had that potential in the
first two episodes, but.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
It did maybe yea out there are I mean there
are Listen, this is a great show. There are various
cacing problems throughout that keep it from being like illegally elite.
That said, I think we would need to I would
need to see something that would make me understand how
we could have a season two. I think that's those
(31:56):
the because at this point, I'm like, how could we
have a season? It does?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I feel like it's going to be a closed loop
at this point.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, how would it be possible to have one?
And you know, it has been kind of dropping hints
about how it could happen, how it could work. So
I guess I would need to see. I guess I
would need to see how, yeah, how that could happen.
I would need to I would need answers about like
Whomorrow is working for, who Kersh is working for, what
Kirsh's motivations are, and how it is that the earth
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that exists after this is not like just lousy with
various aliens running around to and fro, like how did
they stop this?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's what I would know, That's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
What I need.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I would like a zoom out. I would like a
zoom out to see how this is going to impact
the world, How this is going to impact Prodigy, how
this is going to impact these corporations that we know
now are kind of shaping the world. And I will
say that was a big change, you know, for a
lot of like deep Alien readers who had read a
lot of the comics or I'd read a lot of
(32:58):
the books. This was a of the corporations that we
know who were currently active at the time. So I
want them to deliver on that because I'm all for
changing or shifting Cannon, but I always wanted to add
something new. So I want to kind of know, like Jason,
where we are, where we stand at the end, and
then that will tell me whether or not I'm really
(33:19):
hyped for a second season.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Carmen, what do you need?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Finally, I have us.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I think I have simpler needs.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I would love for a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Of these loops to be closed on, especially I remember
in the first three episodes of the season, I was
really obsessed with that mold scrubber and just like what
was going on.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
With Yeah, why were they showing him so much?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
I felt like he was heavily featured in the first
few episodes and then not later on. I am glad
that now those powers that Wendy had early on in
the season are starting to come back into play.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
But I just need to know, like, yeah, like, is
that I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Gonna get boy genius?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Enough Eye, Yeah, there has really not been enough.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I have definitely been the breakout.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, I love him. I've been calling her, uh in
addition to iOpus Dolly because Dolly is the first sheep
that got called and I just feel like it's appropriate.
Uh So this is our Eye, Dolly, our octopus iOpus.
I really yeah, I would I need it. Seems like
the Eye has been scheming as well, and I need
all of the schemes to come together. Yes we have
(34:29):
heard that question, Yes we The question that kept coming
up throughout this episode is what have you done? And
this lack of like communication and understanding, there's like a
lot of betrayals in here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I would like to see some aliens working together. I
would like to see y'all like teaming up because it's
clear they're so all in communication and all have the
same goals. I think they're all from the same planet. Yes,
do you think they're from the Predator planet? The more
I think about out it. Carmen and I were also
(35:01):
texting about some of those traits of Predator showing up
in the fly Alien definitely, and so I I think,
you know, we know predators like to breed xenomorphs and
have their kids hunt them as like training exercises.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
And also the movie is coming out so soon Predator exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
It feels like it was with a Utah exactly, and
so so I would really like to see like both
like how are these creatures working together and why do
they have like what's their end goal? Because it can't
just I mean maybe it is just escape, But is
that like let's get on a ship and get out
of here? Does that take over the plane?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Aliens?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And then I need me to get to safety. Someone
protects my son, my sweet don't kill prepared.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I would also say for me, and this is going
to be this is less what I want to see.
This is what I think is going to happen because
I understand how they telegraph these things because I watch
a lot of shows and movies that use these tropes,
and I do love them. Look, am I somebody who
loves Terminator too? And I love a child sidekick? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Do.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I often enjoy the parts of shows like this where
people where, you know, like they think it's like an
arm pumping moment and everyone's rolling their eyes, but I'm
pumping my arm. Yes, I do believe at some point
in that serial, like in the finale, they are going
to have a moment with Wendy like running alongside the
Xenomorph like they are a team, and Alien fans around
(36:32):
the world they're gonna hate it, and depending on how
they do it, I'm probably gonna love it. But I'm interested.
I feel like that is inevitable, and I feel like
from the critiques I've been seeing of the show, I
don't think that's gonna enamor anyone more.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I will hate it. I would that all the way.
I think the reason that I mean, listen, the story
of Alien is always that you think you can control
nature and you can't exactly, and it would so it
would be a weirdly discordant note for me if it
(37:06):
was like, actually, we can make them pets, but this
is the next mine.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Okay, can I can? I can I pod? In theory, though,
these are two uncontrollable forces of nature and she is
not trying to control, simply to communicate with, and if
they see each other as being on the same side,
that's somewhat interesting to me. I agree that if it's
like this is my pet, and I like use it
like a Pokemon or like go gos, you know more
than I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Far been using it as a fucking Pokemon.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Which honestly I'm sure like Sniper friend like, she's just like, okay,
we're like six Clicks of the South. Can you just
take these guys out?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
He's like, yeah, the idea, I do think the idea
that like we have that you know, these scientists have
like unwittingly created or engaged with, like two super predators,
one that they created and one that they got on
another planet. Yeah, which leads me further to even feel
more strongly that all these syths needs to be shut
(38:04):
off immediately. JA got them down, kids, You've been bamboozled
into believing their names. Just tore a guy's fucking jaw
because I hate that guy, But so you think that
she's not going to tear anybody else's jaw off the people.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I think people people and people people at people.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
That is it is listen. If they are to be
if they are to know, if they are to be
allowed to continue to exist, they must be nerved. We
cannot have these child like ais that are capable of
tearing off people's limbs. Children should not have mentally balanced
(38:55):
and can also like hack into every computer and talk
to aliens like we we just like, can we at
least give them like human level strength and abilities.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Before we're like, yeah, let run around. Yes, I think
that that is sensible. I will also say, I my
other gut feeling is that a good emotional arc for
Wendy and his animal would be if the xenomorph killed Joe,
like because that is a reality. Like, I don't think
(39:28):
kill him, kill him.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I did almost kill him.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
She has to and now it's just seen him shot
her right like now he I think that she has
to realize there is a human cost that she can't
comprehend having, and I think it should be Joe. Sorry,
Alex Lotha, I love it.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's got to be Joe I also agree that it
should be Joe, that it should like incapacitate him and
try to drag him to the eggs.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think I think most interesting is if Wendy takes
out Joe.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I would.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Left about their relationship. It's like we're we're not on
the same page. You willfully took out Nibs, which to
her is like, that's my younger sibling, like I ushered
her into this space. That's nuts. You're not listening to me.
You don't hear me. I identify more with the alien creature.
I'm telling you, if they team up, that can work,
so long as she turns into one of them and
(40:24):
she's fully on their side and she's like, no, Joe,
you gotta go. That to me makes Any twenty much
more interesting and it gives us a good jumping off
point for season two.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I think the I just I'm interested in what
an alien's motivation besides like reproduce is yes, and I
think that's also a dangerous thing for this. I agree
if they do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
This is the thing I think that you. I think
this is as we were talking about all of this,
and we are talking about you know, the sense and hybrids,
and we've had so much fun covering the show, and
early on I really thought it was a contender for
Show of the year. First two episodes I just thought
was so fantastic. But I will say I think all
critique of where we are at and where the show
(41:11):
is is fair because this isn't just a spin off
of a thing or a you know, a reboot of
a thing. It is also like nowadays, we are adding law,
we are adding context, we are adding you know, retroactive history.
And one thing I will say that most other shows
(41:32):
that do this do not have to contend with is
like hr Geiger's xenomorph as it exists in the first
Alien movie. You know, with that Ridley Scott perceived and
the way that the two of them worked together, it
was so unknowable and terrifying that that is why Alien
is good. And I think that as much as I
(41:54):
love the broadening and I love this, I do think
like to have Wendy able to control like a Pokemon,
it could it takes away some of the fear.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I agree, I completely agree. I hope that, I really
hope that what happens at the end of this is
that it doesn't she loses quote unquote control of it
if she ever had it, Because I do think that
ultimately the alien exists to implant its eggs in mammals,
and it wants to do that, and it's not going
(42:27):
to do that the planet. Yeah, and I think and
I think the other you know, Listen, the lesson that
humans are going to take away from this entire debacle
is that we almost did it. We almost figured out
way to way to control them, right, a couple of tweaks,
a couple of tweaks in the algorithm, or a couple
of tweaks to the synth hybrid algorithm. We're just firmer
(42:50):
controls where it doesn't, has less free will, right, and
is more clear about how it's how it's communicating with
the alien, so we can learn how to do it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
And we can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Like, well, that can't be the takeaway.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I have to say. I kind of think that maybe
the best finale actually is like the Hubris of Whale
and Utani as a corporation or something. You see them
at the end basically just being like, we've got the
next step in human evolution and it's this, and we're
gonna send a ship in to get it and blah
blah blah and kind of it is. And then you know,
(43:25):
you do a zoom away of the island and it's
just all the dead bodies being fucking like pulled off
the island like that hubris of humanity. Because, like Jason,
I think you summed it up so well. The only
thing that anyone's gonna take from this is we almost
did it. And that is actually a pretty powerful message
of the show, is like, yeah, you got to go
on all these adventures, but guess what, these motherfuckers are dead,
(43:47):
and it's just gonna continue to be a cycle of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I mean there's so many there's so many animals on
this island, Like this place is going to be full
of aliens like three days.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, it's gonna be crazy. You know what. I'm not
gonna lie that. Jason was cracking when you mentioned this
a minute ago. Was thinking about one of my favorite
recent tweets where you were kind of talking about the
pokemon of it all. I think a lot about it
was it was like a tweet somebody did that was
like the Jurassic World movies are so funny to me
because it's just about white people who think they could
(44:22):
make dinosaurs their pets, you know, and everyone like Chris
Chris Prat's just going around like put giving it the
hand and the rat. And I think that there is
something kind of funny and subversive if the show is
playing on those tropes and kind of reveals in the
finale that that even if you are a hybrid, you
we saw it killed it killed Isaac, like they killed
(44:45):
my boy. They killed them. No problem food.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I mean, that's no food.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's their food, Like, that's not they You spent six
billion dollars on it, but for them, it's like a
fry up at the local cafe, like two pounds. They
don't care. Like so I think from this conversation, I
would be very in trusted to see how they play
with maybe our expectations of what we think we're gonna
get and what they actually do, and kind of whether
or not that Hubris is going to be at the
(45:10):
heart of it, because I think that's very could be
very fun and Wendy.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I think it's the Hubris of Wendy. I'm waiting to
see if that, uh, if anything pays off of that,
because I think I'm saying a little overly familiar, like yeah,
I've got this, I've got this alien on lock like
he follows me.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
She's like I know everything, Like yeah, exactly, I'm the oldest,
Like I feel like it's really accurate. Okay, wait, guys,
if there is a winner, if we if we get
to the end of episode eight and there is a conclusive,
I need it to be the Eye.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah. I know.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I was gonna say this.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
I'm rooting for the kids. I know that that's the
unpower sweet.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I also love a good kid.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Because we know a season two is coming, I'm rooting
for kersh to him, just because I've been really enjoying
his journey.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I will see.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's a little too in the background for me. I
wish that they had beefed up.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I agree, he's a bit too.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Maybe it's a little too trophy, But I thought we
were like the evil villain speech when he like, you
have a whole army at your back, you're finding fronting
your enemy, and it felt good like it, But then
that was like is that it like where it was incompletely?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It was a little weird too, for like all the
security guys to just be like, Okay, we're following Kersh
to do what's.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Just to understand this should have been the reveal of like,
this just cursed. This is what he'd been doing in
the background the whole time here and then tomorrow to
be our winner in the next season.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Here is my hope, and I hope that the Eye
gets into Boy Genius. It convinces Adam and Kersh to
keep working hard.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's gonna wear sunglasses or some thankful all the time now,
and it's going to just because obviously, I think it
would be a fucking disaster for the stock price if
it was revealed that Boy Genius was either synse or
that Adam was pulling strings or like any of these
things don't really work for me because it's like, how
(47:19):
do you have a company after this? I think what
they will I think what the workaround will be. Okay,
the Eye is now our CEO, and we'll just like
let that.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
I think honestly, and that, honestly would actually be a
pretty deep sting podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, start wearing that's what we'll know.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
We'll be like everyone is like it would be really
funny because Jason's just like really happy they got into
the pan analogy. But now the Eye is just like
doing super super super super fucked up and just like, well,
thank god he's not reading Pea Pan anymore, like he's
talking about famous eyes throughout history. But yeah, I would
I mean I would love that because it would be
(48:10):
a pretty deep statement on what CEOs are willing to
put up with from execs to keep things going. So yeah,
I would love to see that. Well, so we should
make an extra vision I T shirt. I feel like
we've been supporting that eye for the whole time.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Listen, the eye has been through hell and I just
love the Eye to get out of that little container. YEA,
all right, extra vision, We're heading back to school as
we cover the first whole episodes of the next season
of jen V and the new Jordan Peele produce sports
horror movie Him. That's it for this episode. Extra thanks
for joining us, guys. Hey x ray Vision is hosted
(48:47):
by Jason sept Young and Rosie Knight and is a
production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
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Speaker 3 (48:57):
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Speaker 2 (49:01):
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