August 5, 2025 • 31 mins
Jason and Rosie are joined by producer Joelle Monique to discuss the new Eyes of Wakanda series on Disney+. First, Jason gives us a speedy recap of the four episodes, then the roundtable discusses their impressions, what they loved, what they wanted more of, and why there should be more time for this series and these stories?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers four Eyes of Conda all
four episodes. Hello, my name is Jason Getepsi and I'm
(00:23):
Rosie Night and welcome back to x rabis in the
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
And it's on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ye's.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
In today's episode, we are gonna conve inn hellll low
round table. We're gonna bring in superroduce a Joel Monique,
and then we are gonna be talking about Marvel Animation
and the newest show drop Eyes of Wakanda. Joel, how
are you doing today? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm good. I listen. I came in with on the
floor expectations. I was like, I even feeling Marvel Animation.
I don't know, is we not in Wakanda. I walked
away being like, yeah, I kind of kind of fox
heavy with this show, kind of want to see you. Oh,
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maybe this is a good way to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, I did come away. I mean my main
takeaway is there should be more of it and there's
not enough of it. And if there's one thing that
keeps this show from being actually like, it's a good
show and I enjoyed it, and I think particularly younger
Marvel fans will really love it. I think what keeps
it from being like ooh, yeah, okay is the fact
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that it's only four. I think clearly they just were like,
we're not doing where the budgets are getting slashed, We're
not doing ten episodes of this. It doesn't make sense
to do only four episodes of a Adventure of the
week style show. But that's what happened. And to me,
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the only thing that keeps this show from being like
really good is the fact that it's only four because
we don't we don't allow it's not a runway for
the kind of B and C level intro Wakanda political
storylines to really get momentum, Like the introduction of the
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adventures are really fun, but we don't get we don't
get more than that. That's my one takeaways. I need more.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
How would you yeah, I would love more of this shows.
It's really great, it's really well made. How would you
guys feel if they had kind of had a bit
more time and they'd kind of re invented the movie.
This show as more of like a you know, kind
of like Killer of Killers Predator, where you had those
three stories but the fourth one kind of tied together.
Would you guys have liked to see them kind of
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reimagine this into one story that comes together in that
way and the end. I think that could have been
really interesting if they knew it was going to be short.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I thought that that's what they were going to do,
and it's clear that things must have changed. It seems
like that was what they were aiming for right from
the episodes, and it just feels like things must have
changed quite abruptly in the midst of production, and they're
like allowed them to finish out these episodes, but you know,
(03:24):
you still feel like there was more to come. The
way it ends, I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Even have like Chekhov's acts in the same way that
we kind of have the Chekhov's gun in Killer of Killers.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Let's talk quickly about what these episodes were about. Episode one,
into the Lion's Den. We open an crete in.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Twelve sixty BC Whoa and Noni, who is like a
former disgraced Dora, is tasked with taking down a former
captain the Royal Guard who has gone rogue the Lion.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Episode two, Legends and Lies is a kind of reimagining
of the Trojan War in which we come to understand
Wakanda's like hidden role in that conflict. Episode three, Lost
and Found we open in China and fourteen hundred a
d And this is more of a what should Wakanda's
role in the greater world be? When we see atrocities, crimes,
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bad things taking place, should Wakanda step in? And this
is a very interesting episode. And then episode four of
the Last Panther, Prince Dafari and Kuda of the mining
tribe or after yet another lost vibranium artifact, and what
they're after is actually the you mentioned it, the pickaxe
(04:48):
Kilmonger stole in Black Panther. Okay, those are our setups
for our episodes. So yeah, let's talk about what we
liked and didn't like. Joell, you liked this episode, I
think more than anybody. Tell us what you liked.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I like these series of episodes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I would love in the texts I was getting. Let's talk.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, Okay, So first of all, I just want to
acknowledge the market confusion because I tend to agree with
you guys that I think a movie would have just
been a much more clear directive for audiences of like, hey,
this is like a little secret history of the war Dogs.
They're really allowing you to seep in. And when you
do a TV series, particularly an animated show, I think,
particularly coming from House of Mouse, you know, we've seen
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some pretty great children's television shows that tell long form
narratives over a full season of television, and so to
shortcut that to just four episodes is frustrating. I definitely
feel like this is just a taste when you could
have had like a whole meal of great spy stories.
(05:52):
Who doesn't love like international intrigue. You've got some Royal
Court miss Sift going on, third Sons and whatnot. Like
it's really like hefty in that way. I think what
I really enjoyed most about this is, like I love Lare,
and I think if Marvel has dedicated itself to telling
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long form, consecutive narrative stories in a singular universe, then
this is a great way to get into Lare. Like
we know, just a little sprinkling about the war Dogs.
If you're a strictly an mcu fan. If you haven't
dipped into the comics, what you sort of know about
the war Dogs is a they are seem to be
insiders of more violent action. They seem to be more
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I mean, they're on the front lines. They're willing to
They're like, hey, we got to defend ourselves out and
so I don't want to say it's like a negative connotation,
but they kind of always seem to be at odds that,
like what the Dormalage are doing. We're seeing a lot
of infighting. So to get this fully fleshed out form
a to see like a woman leading it early loved her,
loved the pilot to me perfection, obsessed with this pilot.
(07:01):
I could watch it over and over again. I think
the building of the villain is so tactile, and you
understand this character so well, and you would like I
would spend more time with him. One hundred percent. We'd
love to see spinoffs. Great costuming, there's so many, like,
so many great choices overall from the animators in both
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like the styles of fighting costume design. You can tell
there's a lot of historical reference to these different periods
they're exploring. And then to cap it all off, you know,
episode two, which is I really had fun. I I'm
an Achilles Stan Okay, I really love the character of Achilles.
I was missing Metropolis. I was like, are we gonna
(07:43):
go full gay? And they're like, no, we're gonna go
subversive gay. We're here at Disney. We don't We're not
touching it, but we will give you all all of
the hints, all of the right up to was any
of it really I think at one point accause like
you bathed me, I was like, okay, get it, Like
they're really into okay, And so I think that there's
such a deep dive of all of this and it's
(08:04):
really lovely, and I wish we did had more episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, we'll be right back after a quick break and
we're back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I want to know, how do you guys feel about
that kind of like ancient Greek setting, because that wasn't
something that I necessarily like saw coming. I feel like
it's not something that they really kind of pushed, but
it becomes quite a major part of the story. Again,
feels like maybe the original idea for this show was
it was going to be twelve ish episodes long, and
each one was a different period in history, right, It
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doesn't feel like this was kind of necessarily the be
all and end all Joel your Greek myth lover, Jason,
how about you? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was a little bit more. Listen, if this show
had more runway, maybe it all makes sense to me.
It was a little bit. I found the setups themselves
a little bit of a question mark for me. And
I found myself, you know, I thought, I think the
show is really good, and I think again, particularly young
Marvel fans, will really love it. And I really enjoyed it.
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But I did find myself going, you know what, like,
on the surface, a story about the war dogs and
about the spies of Wakana going out and how they're
kind of tinkering in geopolitics in order to keep Wakanda
safe and secure, et cetera, is like it makes sense
on paper, But I found myself being like, where's Wakanda,
(09:43):
What's going on Wakana, What's going on in Africa? What's
going on like next to Wakanda? And and I found
myself being like, why am I in Why am I
in Greece? With Brad Pitt from Troy That's fine? And
this is like overall in enjoyable, but I found myself
missing the Wakanda of it all. Like, yes, we do
(10:06):
go there, and we have these kind of conversations, you know,
strolling in gardens and talking about like the political reasonings
and why we have to keep this secret from the
Dora and from others, and we get these kind of
hint set at the political intra political conflicts within Wakanda. Right,
(10:27):
But that's kind of like what I wanted more of,
and that's kind of what I was very interested in. Like,
I think we know about the you know, at least
I feel like I kind of have seen that. I
know about the Trojan War. I kind of know about it.
I want to know what's going on in Wakana. I
want to know what's going on right around Wakanda. Like
it seems interesting to me that we're interfering in the
(10:50):
Trojan War, which is taking place in what is now Turkey,
messing around with societies that have no ability to pay
to trade into Africa and get anywhere close to wak
Why do we care?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, I'm up two minds and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Jason.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, Okay, here's the thoughts. Some thoughts one, I will say,
I agree with you that a game of Throne style
like Palace intrigue with the garden talks in Wakanda. I
mean someone cook intrigue.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's like, what what threat do the Trojans pose to
Wakanda such that we need to place the war Dogs
with them?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So I agree that an inciting incident beyond the Lion
of like how is because every time they go out there,
like they're recovering Wakandan technology, And so in the first one,
you're like, oh, this guy kind of goes Rogan is
spreading the technologies just all from him? Did he like
was his I mean he had a shit kind of ships,
So it's possible his empire was that vast. We just
don't know. And so I completely understand like a more
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harmonizing theme of like why are these artifacts getting out
in the first place would be helpful to the story.
But I also think like knowing that Disney has really
struggled to keep narratives straight, like keeping that storyline clean,
and this is a great way for us to dig
into again just just the war Dogs, like who are
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the people who joined the war Dogs? What is there?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I completely agree, and so I think this is I
am nitpick. I'm giving you the nick like. There are
somes that I really like, which is I love history.
I love like I love this idea that there's this
hidden hand of Wakanda involved in all these events and
they've managed to keep it secret all this time. You know,
for me, it's like the the the thing that is
the nitpick is once you go past that, I'm like, Okay,
(12:41):
so where is Wakanda. Why are we not there? That's
that's my thing. But I'm sorry, sorry, tru continue now.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I was just gonna say, like, I think that there's it.
In order to get into the Wakanda history, you would
need some more concrete language from like MCU tops like
you you Coogler in here tooling and being like, yes,
this is concrete fact and we can dive into that.
This makes it so that the world at large is
not disrupted, but it gives you an interpersonal look at
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a group of folks that you did not know that
much about. It makes me like six times more excited
to see the war Dogs in future movies. Like I
think this is a good to your point, and maybe
this is part of the problem with the MCU. It's
like this is a good bolstering point. It's just a
rand show in and of its own. Right now, it
feels like half done and you're not sure why you're here,
and it's a little strange. It almost feels like a
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web tune in, like a.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Both Marvel and yeah, I know it could even Like
you do you remember a few years ago, well, probably
like ten years ago now, it was really popular to
like launch a show on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They did it with My Little Pony, Friendships, Magic, they
did it with most of the High They did it
with a bunch of different shows. This definitely feels like
it could have been a web series. I believe that's
why they would have called it.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I watched it with my brother and he was like,
were there are sharing cartoon animators on this?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh my god? Wait wait wait wait okay, okay, can
I please say that I'm not gonna lie. First two
minutes of the first episode, the faces were giving veggietails.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
They were like, and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I they were And I did see that. It was
just the It was kind of the secondary characters. So
I think the reason that we are not in Wakanda
or in Africa in general is because essentially the war
Dogs in the comics are you know, it's the two
Zaraz there we were introducing Christopher Priest's stuff, so, you know,
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like with Mark tex Schera, so you know, it's kind
of more serious. Right in Black Panther volume three, issue four,
so like late nineties December, they are basically secret police,
and they are basically like sent They are a tribe
who is this kind of sent themselves out there to
torture and interrogate it do all the stuff that Wakanda
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doesn't really want to do, you know. So I think
that is why there is this focus on kind of
the Greek myths, the kind of like they don't want
to show them out they're doing bad stuff, because in
the comics it's that they go off to Wakandan's enemies.
That's kind of my gut. But I think kids have
the capacity to understand complex storytelling and they didn't have
(15:24):
to go so kind of safe is my face.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I want to say that I agree, listen, I get it.
I just think that here's why the Lion is the
best episode, because this makes sense to what the mission
of the War Dogs is. It's twelve hundred BC. There
is no regional power in the world capable of penetrating
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into the heart of Africa to ever threaten Wakanda at all.
The threat to Wakanda is from inside. It's the people
who disagree with the current political sentiment and they're like,
I'm taking some tech and I'm leaving. I'm gonna do
my own thing. So that's why that episode is so
great because it's like, oh, yes, thematically, it makes sense
story wise, it makes sense like this is the eyes
(16:11):
of Wakanda aren't looking out, They're looking in at this
period and time. Right. I love that, And that's a
different story to me, it'd be a more interesting story.
But it's like why that episode works because again, they're
looking in at they're so far ahead of everybody. The
only threat is their technology getting out, and so the
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only threat is their own people, not anybody else. And
so that episode absolutely I got it, and I'm like,
this is the best. It's the best episode I think
of the series for sure. And then the rest of it,
like we're going to Troy, Like, yes, Achilles, he's a demigod.
Maybe that's why he's a You're concerned about him. He's
a demigod, right, But like, again, are the ancient Trojans
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gonna like march thousands of miles inland to penetrate their
high tech shields is not gonna happen. And then so
I'm like, why are we with these folks, Like let them,
let them do their little war over the girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, the confusing part is that Achilles seemed ancillary to
the situation. It was more that Helen had the stone
and You're like, okay, what was she gonna do with it?
That part was never explained, and you were like, okay, yeah,
just that she had it was a problem perhaps, But yeah,
I think they got lost a little on the directive
of why they were out, and they were more absorbed
(17:32):
in the types of people who are war dogs, which
I find for me interesting, especially given the number of
dormalage we have spent like significant amounts of time. Yeah,
like we have a full understanding of like these are
women who are very dedicated both to each other and
to strictly the protection of Wakanda, Like they could be
spies going out into the world.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And the reimagined because in the comics that the King's Wives.
You know, So the MCU has done this really good
job of banning them out. I would say, also, in
case you guys are wondering, like where have you seen
the war Dogs kill? Manga's dad played by stelln K. Brown.
He and Djobu. He was basically a war dog who
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then settled in Oakland and decided he didn't want to
do it anymore. And that's that's kind of what happened there.
So you have seen these characters before, but like you say, Joelle,
this is like so much more insight into them than
we've ever gotten in the movies.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, And I think, what, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Kind of working for me in this is like again,
I think kicking open a door is really important in
and see you with the thing. I kind of like,
it's what why I really love the Thunderbolts, like final
like post credits scene. I just I really appreciate when
either we're getting brand new information or insight into like
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the direction these characters are gonna go when we come back.
It's like a nice thing to kind of think on
and ponder when you leave the theater. Or I like
it when we're getting a better understanding of like history
and motive for characters.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I think like if we.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Look at the very best episodes of what If. Like
I think a lot of people agree that the Black
Panther as star Lord episode is probably the best episode
of What If, and like it completely like encapsulates like
what makes T'Challa such an interesting character just as a person,
like outside of his title or his costuming or even
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the shaping of Wakanda, for this character like that is
a guy who's a leader, and it's good heartened. It
provides so much death and I really think, like I
know the MC is pulling back on TV shows, which
I think is that you can feel, yeah, yeah, I'm
okay with it, except for the fact that when they're
good and they hit, they're so good. And I just
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I wish we could have a space where we could
take our time and like really develop some of these things,
and we could have gotten like a full season of
Eyes of Wakanda or you know, whatever comes to on
the pipeline next. I just really hope like, as we're
taking time to explore and deep and lore like that
we're giving it space to prosper as opposed to like,
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this is not a show that will be remembered, which
I think is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think it's unfortunate too, and I think, like the
questions raised by the show are actually fascinating, Like what
should Wakana's role be in a world where they are
so technologically advanced? Now that's that's Jason Well, I mean
I did it?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Did it? Bumps me a little bit that they have
the technology of like twenty twenty five, like they have
the advanced technology they have in the current MCU three
thousand years in the past, which leads you to believe,
like why so what happened in the last thousand, Like
you guys, why all out? But where's the new solution?
You know, why are you time traveling? And so that
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was a little weird to me, Like I thought that
they should have scaled it, you know, put them five
hundred years ahead of whoever they're you know, whatever their
contemporaries are doing. But I thought it was a little
weird to have them essentially be a modern technology.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Would have been cooled to see different eras of their technology.
I would also say, how do you guys? I feel
like potentially, if six months ago they'd said, hey, it's
going to be a four episode mini series about the
you know, the fights and flights of the war dogs
in Waconda. I feel like Disney kind of just didn't
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tell us that it was going to be a shortened season.
Four episodes is never what you expect from a standard season,
and they were kind of pushing that idea of you know,
when Ironheart came out, they had Ryan Coogler and Michael B.
Jordan I'm really rad and supporting the show and talking
about it, and they were like, isaawa kanda isawakonda? Do
you guys feel like if there had been a little
bit more stage setting for what the show would be
(22:10):
able to bring, it might have been easier for you
guys to stomach if you knew it, like or more
enjoyable or something.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, I just think there just needs to be
more of it. It's really that simple for me. Yeah,
Like it really stage setting could have happened in the
show if we had more episodes before, like, and I
think if you only have four, don't do an adventure
of the week, you do a four part story, and
you know that's that's just really where I am. I
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think this is very promising, but just not enough of it. Joe,
what do you think.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, I'm looking at Tales of the Jedi. You know
that had six episodes, three each dedicated to a single character,
and I think that format really works well. But when
I think back to the advertising, it's very similar of like, Okay,
at your Star Wars conventions, you're seeing a lot of
ads or something pop up, maybe your D twenty threes,
but not a lot in between, like trying to draw
(23:03):
you into watching these animated shows. And I just I
would like to see a refocus on animation. I think
between the loss of College Network, which was doing some
really big things. I mean we I want to say,
like twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, maybe we saw this
boom and like really excellent animated television. Can maybe take
(23:23):
back to twenty ten with the start of Adventure Time.
We saw a lot of new young creators, We saw
a lot of different styles of animation, and I really
felt like from the television angle, we were pushing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And even you could take it back.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
To film and things like Cloudy with a Chance comes
out and what like twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Somewhere and then and then sets everything up for two
of the biggest directors to kind of come into animation.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
One hundred percent. And so I guess I, you know,
I liked what we got. I do feel bereft. I
also feel like Disney, You're supposed to be like Kings
of animation. This shit be. I think when Marvel's releasing
animated stuff, this should be like a really big deal.
It should be breathtakingly gorgeous. The story should be great,
(24:09):
Like you have great writers like Jeffrey Thorne and Mark
bnardnerre two of the EPs on this show.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And they've done a lot in the comic space, so.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Much good shaping of these characters in these worlds. And
I'm a little bit flabbergasted that we're still you know,
especially I think coming off of something like Netflix kind
of blowing us away with our Kane and other partnership
with Sony and Kate pop Yaman Hunters.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's like why why? I will just say that I
don't know that a series that went so far over
budget that we are actually still struggling to understand how
they spent the money is the example that we necessarily
want to use in this in this situation, because I
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think that's exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
What Disney is like worried about Yeah, no, I will look,
I will say I do that Netflix is like in
a space right now where they are committed to animation
in a way.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know, they have obviously cap up Demon Hunters. I
am literally about to leave to go to New York
to present a movie called Fixed by Gendy Tarkovski, which
is like a crazy rated animated movie which I actually
found to be incredibly like heartfelt and interesting. We also
have like a cultural explosion in anime, and people are
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easily able to access some of the best animation in
the world. And I think that that means when Disney
does something who were that you know, huge kind of
animation space. They were the forefrunners of it, at the
four runners of it. Like, I think that it's understandable
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to want a little bit more, but I do think
that the main thing here is just not enough time,
not enough space, because there's characters here that I do
want to see again, like I want to see Jurani.
I love that we got this second animated iron Fist
played by Joan Najao. I thought that was like such
a real quay. I loved the kind of they kept
(26:07):
the law, like you go to defeat Shao Laud. I'm
dying you go to and I'm like, I want to
see a whole series about that, Like I want to.
I you know, if there is a character that we
see again in the MCU, who would you want that
to be? Joel?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean and.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, Jason, did you see like you had to answer ready?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean I was going to say that there is
an immortal you know, the Matt Fraction immortal Iron Fist
run is exactly the thing that Rosie just laid out,
which is like a set number of issues focusing on
certain historical iron Fists through time so that you kind
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of get the feel for what the role is, what
the arc is, the challenges each of these characters had
to face during different periods in time, and the kind
of their own personal relationship with the responsibility and legacy
of taking on the role. It was like a great
it was really interesting, but it also like had plenty
(27:12):
of runway to let those stories unfold. But I think,
like I mean you mentioned it, like I think an
iron Fist through time story would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I could not agree more. I love iron Fists, like
the character at large, and I think seeing different iterations
would be fabulous for me, though, I want more time
with Nanny, Like I'm really intrigued. I just think, like
the again just to shout out, like the hard work
that some of the animators have done, Like the Fortress
(27:41):
of the Wardogs was so freaking cool. I was like,
it's on the other side of the waterfall where they
crowned the king, because that's baller, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Really did a great job talking to she did a
great job. And I think also I think they set
Nonny up as like kind of the nick Fury. They
gave it the eye catch they I would like to
see her putting together the war Dogs, especially because they're
not what you expect based on the comics.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I love spending time with Nannia. I think the fact
that like her sort of future generations are quoting her
and she sort of has this epic legacy and she
has a very dope look is super cool.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And also, if we just wanted to see the Lions rise,
would read an entire comic book about it. I don't
know if we actually don't know if we need a
TV series for that, but if somebody could just put
that in a comic and I can see, like his
thoughts on like what is freedom are so like fascinating
to me, Like when people.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Also wacons read Pirate King, Yeah, interesting, I love that. Well.
I would also say I think something that they get
into a little bit here which is interesting. It's kind
of like in the later books, especially the tanahasy Coats stuff,
they get into this idea of like Wakanda is almost
like a colonizer of space and they have to deal
with like the realities of like what it means to
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do exploration to take new Land. And I think there
is a lot of interesting stuff there that I feel
like was an influence on this that got like touched on,
but is never truly you know, delved into. And when
we get that final Nika Nonnie Rose version of the
Black Panther in the future and stuff, I thought they
did a good job of ultimately tying it back to
the MCU and also then saying, hey, all these characters
(29:19):
live in the MCU that you understand now because of
this pickaxe. But I would have just yeah, I would
have just loved to see, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
With the switch to kill me. I was like, for me, like, yeah,
is it Yeah, maybe a little cheesy, but okay, it's
like a it's a post credit scene that you know
where it's going. It builds into the lore. Okay, I
have one last question before we get out of here. Guys,
sure if we were going to take another part of
the MC doesn't have to be content from anywhere that
(29:47):
we could build law into, and it was going to
be an animated show, which group or personal episodes into
yes with a full with a full season order, what
would you like to know more about?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think Jason really already kind of touched on it.
I think that idea, especially after seeing you know, Jirani.
I think doing some kind of iron fist history, Who's
who's had all the mantles? How has the technology changed?
That kind of thing. I would also love, you know,
in Wakanda, some kind of slice of life, like what
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is it like to live in Wakanda and not be
in the dormage, not be in the war dogs, not
be a royal family member? Like? I want to know
about that. I want to know some young kid who
accidentally finds an artifact and has to go on an
adventure like Black Panther kind of has that Star Wars
thing right now where everybody it's about lineage and legacy
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and family, and I would love to know about the
other people in that world.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
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Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers four Eyes of Conda all
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
And it's on Saturday.
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Ye's.
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In today's episode, we are gonna conve inn hellll low
round table. We're gonna bring in superroduce a Joel Monique,
and then we are gonna be talking about Marvel Animation
and the newest show drop Eyes of Wakanda. Joel, how
are you doing today? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm good. I listen. I came in with on the
floor expectations. I was like, I even feeling Marvel Animation.
I don't know, is we not in Wakanda. I walked
away being like, yeah, I kind of kind of fox
heavy with this show, kind of want to see you. Oh,
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maybe this is a good way to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, I did come away. I mean my main
takeaway is there should be more of it and there's
not enough of it. And if there's one thing that
keeps this show from being actually like, it's a good
show and I enjoyed it, and I think particularly younger
Marvel fans will really love it. I think what keeps
it from being like ooh, yeah, okay is the fact
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that it's only four. I think clearly they just were like,
we're not doing where the budgets are getting slashed, We're
not doing ten episodes of this. It doesn't make sense
to do only four episodes of a Adventure of the
week style show. But that's what happened. And to me,
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the only thing that keeps this show from being like
really good is the fact that it's only four because
we don't we don't allow it's not a runway for
the kind of B and C level intro Wakanda political
storylines to really get momentum, Like the introduction of the
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adventures are really fun, but we don't get we don't
get more than that. That's my one takeaways. I need more.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
How would you yeah, I would love more of this shows.
It's really great, it's really well made. How would you
guys feel if they had kind of had a bit
more time and they'd kind of re invented the movie.
This show as more of like a you know, kind
of like Killer of Killers Predator, where you had those
three stories but the fourth one kind of tied together.
Would you guys have liked to see them kind of
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reimagine this into one story that comes together in that
way and the end. I think that could have been
really interesting if they knew it was going to be short.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I thought that that's what they were going to do,
and it's clear that things must have changed. It seems
like that was what they were aiming for right from
the episodes, and it just feels like things must have
changed quite abruptly in the midst of production, and they're
like allowed them to finish out these episodes, but you know,
(03:24):
you still feel like there was more to come. The
way it ends, I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Even have like Chekhov's acts in the same way that
we kind of have the Chekhov's gun in Killer of Killers.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Let's talk quickly about what these episodes were about. Episode one,
into the Lion's Den. We open an crete in.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Twelve sixty BC Whoa and Noni, who is like a
former disgraced Dora, is tasked with taking down a former
captain the Royal Guard who has gone rogue the Lion.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Episode two, Legends and Lies is a kind of reimagining
of the Trojan War in which we come to understand
Wakanda's like hidden role in that conflict. Episode three, Lost
and Found we open in China and fourteen hundred a
d And this is more of a what should Wakanda's
role in the greater world be? When we see atrocities, crimes,
(04:28):
bad things taking place, should Wakanda step in? And this
is a very interesting episode. And then episode four of
the Last Panther, Prince Dafari and Kuda of the mining
tribe or after yet another lost vibranium artifact, and what
they're after is actually the you mentioned it, the pickaxe
(04:48):
Kilmonger stole in Black Panther. Okay, those are our setups
for our episodes. So yeah, let's talk about what we
liked and didn't like. Joell, you liked this episode, I
think more than anybody. Tell us what you liked.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I like these series of episodes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I would love in the texts I was getting. Let's talk.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, Okay, So first of all, I just want to
acknowledge the market confusion because I tend to agree with
you guys that I think a movie would have just
been a much more clear directive for audiences of like, hey,
this is like a little secret history of the war Dogs.
They're really allowing you to seep in. And when you
do a TV series, particularly an animated show, I think,
particularly coming from House of Mouse, you know, we've seen
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some pretty great children's television shows that tell long form
narratives over a full season of television, and so to
shortcut that to just four episodes is frustrating. I definitely
feel like this is just a taste when you could
have had like a whole meal of great spy stories.
(05:52):
Who doesn't love like international intrigue. You've got some Royal
Court miss Sift going on, third Sons and whatnot. Like
it's really like hefty in that way. I think what
I really enjoyed most about this is, like I love Lare,
and I think if Marvel has dedicated itself to telling
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long form, consecutive narrative stories in a singular universe, then
this is a great way to get into Lare. Like
we know, just a little sprinkling about the war Dogs.
If you're a strictly an mcu fan. If you haven't
dipped into the comics, what you sort of know about
the war Dogs is a they are seem to be
insiders of more violent action. They seem to be more
(06:38):
I mean, they're on the front lines. They're willing to
They're like, hey, we got to defend ourselves out and
so I don't want to say it's like a negative connotation,
but they kind of always seem to be at odds that,
like what the Dormalage are doing. We're seeing a lot
of infighting. So to get this fully fleshed out form
a to see like a woman leading it early loved her,
loved the pilot to me perfection, obsessed with this pilot.
(07:01):
I could watch it over and over again. I think
the building of the villain is so tactile, and you
understand this character so well, and you would like I
would spend more time with him. One hundred percent. We'd
love to see spinoffs. Great costuming, there's so many, like,
so many great choices overall from the animators in both
(07:21):
like the styles of fighting costume design. You can tell
there's a lot of historical reference to these different periods
they're exploring. And then to cap it all off, you know,
episode two, which is I really had fun. I I'm
an Achilles Stan Okay, I really love the character of Achilles.
I was missing Metropolis. I was like, are we gonna
(07:43):
go full gay? And they're like, no, we're gonna go
subversive gay. We're here at Disney. We don't We're not
touching it, but we will give you all all of
the hints, all of the right up to was any
of it really I think at one point accause like
you bathed me, I was like, okay, get it, Like
they're really into okay, And so I think that there's
such a deep dive of all of this and it's
(08:04):
really lovely, and I wish we did had more episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, we'll be right back after a quick break and
we're back.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I want to know, how do you guys feel about
that kind of like ancient Greek setting, because that wasn't
something that I necessarily like saw coming. I feel like
it's not something that they really kind of pushed, but
it becomes quite a major part of the story. Again,
feels like maybe the original idea for this show was
it was going to be twelve ish episodes long, and
each one was a different period in history, right, It
(08:48):
doesn't feel like this was kind of necessarily the be
all and end all Joel your Greek myth lover, Jason,
how about you? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was a little bit more. Listen, if this show
had more runway, maybe it all makes sense to me.
It was a little bit. I found the setups themselves
a little bit of a question mark for me. And
I found myself, you know, I thought, I think the
show is really good, and I think again, particularly young
Marvel fans, will really love it. And I really enjoyed it.
(09:20):
But I did find myself going, you know what, like,
on the surface, a story about the war dogs and
about the spies of Wakana going out and how they're
kind of tinkering in geopolitics in order to keep Wakanda
safe and secure, et cetera, is like it makes sense
on paper, But I found myself being like, where's Wakanda,
(09:43):
What's going on Wakana, What's going on in Africa? What's
going on like next to Wakanda? And and I found
myself being like, why am I in Why am I
in Greece? With Brad Pitt from Troy That's fine? And
this is like overall in enjoyable, but I found myself
missing the Wakanda of it all. Like, yes, we do
(10:06):
go there, and we have these kind of conversations, you know,
strolling in gardens and talking about like the political reasonings
and why we have to keep this secret from the
Dora and from others, and we get these kind of
hint set at the political intra political conflicts within Wakanda. Right,
(10:27):
But that's kind of like what I wanted more of,
and that's kind of what I was very interested in. Like,
I think we know about the you know, at least
I feel like I kind of have seen that. I
know about the Trojan War. I kind of know about it.
I want to know what's going on in Wakana. I
want to know what's going on right around Wakanda. Like
it seems interesting to me that we're interfering in the
(10:50):
Trojan War, which is taking place in what is now Turkey,
messing around with societies that have no ability to pay
to trade into Africa and get anywhere close to wak
Why do we care?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, I'm up two minds and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Jason.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, Okay, here's the thoughts. Some thoughts one, I will say,
I agree with you that a game of Throne style
like Palace intrigue with the garden talks in Wakanda. I
mean someone cook intrigue.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's like, what what threat do the Trojans pose to
Wakanda such that we need to place the war Dogs
with them?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So I agree that an inciting incident beyond the Lion
of like how is because every time they go out there,
like they're recovering Wakandan technology, And so in the first one,
you're like, oh, this guy kind of goes Rogan is
spreading the technologies just all from him? Did he like
was his I mean he had a shit kind of ships,
So it's possible his empire was that vast. We just
don't know. And so I completely understand like a more
(11:50):
harmonizing theme of like why are these artifacts getting out
in the first place would be helpful to the story.
But I also think like knowing that Disney has really
struggled to keep narratives straight, like keeping that storyline clean,
and this is a great way for us to dig
into again just just the war Dogs, like who are
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the people who joined the war Dogs? What is there?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I completely agree, and so I think this is I
am nitpick. I'm giving you the nick like. There are
somes that I really like, which is I love history.
I love like I love this idea that there's this
hidden hand of Wakanda involved in all these events and
they've managed to keep it secret all this time. You know,
for me, it's like the the the thing that is
the nitpick is once you go past that, I'm like, Okay,
(12:41):
so where is Wakanda. Why are we not there? That's
that's my thing. But I'm sorry, sorry, tru continue now.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I was just gonna say, like, I think that there's it.
In order to get into the Wakanda history, you would
need some more concrete language from like MCU tops like
you you Coogler in here tooling and being like, yes,
this is concrete fact and we can dive into that.
This makes it so that the world at large is
not disrupted, but it gives you an interpersonal look at
(13:10):
a group of folks that you did not know that
much about. It makes me like six times more excited
to see the war Dogs in future movies. Like I
think this is a good to your point, and maybe
this is part of the problem with the MCU. It's
like this is a good bolstering point. It's just a
rand show in and of its own. Right now, it
feels like half done and you're not sure why you're here,
and it's a little strange. It almost feels like a
(13:33):
web tune in, like a.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Both Marvel and yeah, I know it could even Like
you do you remember a few years ago, well, probably
like ten years ago now, it was really popular to
like launch a show on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They did it with My Little Pony, Friendships, Magic, they
did it with most of the High They did it
with a bunch of different shows. This definitely feels like
it could have been a web series. I believe that's
why they would have called it.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I watched it with my brother and he was like,
were there are sharing cartoon animators on this?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh my god? Wait wait wait wait okay, okay, can
I please say that I'm not gonna lie. First two
minutes of the first episode, the faces were giving veggietails.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
They were like, and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I they were And I did see that. It was
just the It was kind of the secondary characters. So
I think the reason that we are not in Wakanda
or in Africa in general is because essentially the war
Dogs in the comics are you know, it's the two
Zaraz there we were introducing Christopher Priest's stuff, so, you know,
(14:38):
like with Mark tex Schera, so you know, it's kind
of more serious. Right in Black Panther volume three, issue four,
so like late nineties December, they are basically secret police,
and they are basically like sent They are a tribe
who is this kind of sent themselves out there to
torture and interrogate it do all the stuff that Wakanda
(15:01):
doesn't really want to do, you know. So I think
that is why there is this focus on kind of
the Greek myths, the kind of like they don't want
to show them out they're doing bad stuff, because in
the comics it's that they go off to Wakandan's enemies.
That's kind of my gut. But I think kids have
the capacity to understand complex storytelling and they didn't have
(15:24):
to go so kind of safe is my face.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I want to say that I agree, listen, I get it.
I just think that here's why the Lion is the
best episode, because this makes sense to what the mission
of the War Dogs is. It's twelve hundred BC. There
is no regional power in the world capable of penetrating
(15:49):
into the heart of Africa to ever threaten Wakanda at all.
The threat to Wakanda is from inside. It's the people
who disagree with the current political sentiment and they're like,
I'm taking some tech and I'm leaving. I'm gonna do
my own thing. So that's why that episode is so
great because it's like, oh, yes, thematically, it makes sense
story wise, it makes sense like this is the eyes
(16:11):
of Wakanda aren't looking out, They're looking in at this
period and time. Right. I love that, And that's a
different story to me, it'd be a more interesting story.
But it's like why that episode works because again, they're
looking in at they're so far ahead of everybody. The
only threat is their technology getting out, and so the
(16:34):
only threat is their own people, not anybody else. And
so that episode absolutely I got it, and I'm like,
this is the best. It's the best episode I think
of the series for sure. And then the rest of it,
like we're going to Troy, Like, yes, Achilles, he's a demigod.
Maybe that's why he's a You're concerned about him. He's
a demigod, right, But like, again, are the ancient Trojans
(16:57):
gonna like march thousands of miles inland to penetrate their
high tech shields is not gonna happen. And then so
I'm like, why are we with these folks, Like let them,
let them do their little war over the girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, the confusing part is that Achilles seemed ancillary to
the situation. It was more that Helen had the stone
and You're like, okay, what was she gonna do with it?
That part was never explained, and you were like, okay, yeah,
just that she had it was a problem perhaps, But yeah,
I think they got lost a little on the directive
of why they were out, and they were more absorbed
(17:32):
in the types of people who are war dogs, which
I find for me interesting, especially given the number of
dormalage we have spent like significant amounts of time. Yeah,
like we have a full understanding of like these are
women who are very dedicated both to each other and
to strictly the protection of Wakanda, Like they could be
spies going out into the world.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And the reimagined because in the comics that the King's Wives.
You know, So the MCU has done this really good
job of banning them out. I would say, also, in
case you guys are wondering, like where have you seen
the war Dogs kill? Manga's dad played by stelln K. Brown.
He and Djobu. He was basically a war dog who
(18:13):
then settled in Oakland and decided he didn't want to
do it anymore. And that's that's kind of what happened there.
So you have seen these characters before, but like you say, Joelle,
this is like so much more insight into them than
we've ever gotten in the movies.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, And I think, what, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Kind of working for me in this is like again,
I think kicking open a door is really important in
and see you with the thing. I kind of like,
it's what why I really love the Thunderbolts, like final
like post credits scene. I just I really appreciate when
either we're getting brand new information or insight into like
(18:50):
the direction these characters are gonna go when we come back.
It's like a nice thing to kind of think on
and ponder when you leave the theater. Or I like
it when we're getting a better understanding of like history
and motive for characters.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I think like if we.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Look at the very best episodes of what If. Like
I think a lot of people agree that the Black
Panther as star Lord episode is probably the best episode
of What If, and like it completely like encapsulates like
what makes T'Challa such an interesting character just as a person,
like outside of his title or his costuming or even
(19:26):
the shaping of Wakanda, for this character like that is
a guy who's a leader, and it's good heartened. It
provides so much death and I really think, like I
know the MC is pulling back on TV shows, which
I think is that you can feel, yeah, yeah, I'm
okay with it, except for the fact that when they're
good and they hit, they're so good. And I just
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I wish we could have a space where we could
take our time and like really develop some of these things,
and we could have gotten like a full season of
Eyes of Wakanda or you know, whatever comes to on
the pipeline next. I just really hope like, as we're
taking time to explore and deep and lore like that
we're giving it space to prosper as opposed to like,
(20:10):
this is not a show that will be remembered, which
I think is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think it's unfortunate too, and I think, like the
questions raised by the show are actually fascinating, Like what
should Wakana's role be in a world where they are
so technologically advanced? Now that's that's Jason Well, I mean
I did it?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Did it? Bumps me a little bit that they have
the technology of like twenty twenty five, like they have
the advanced technology they have in the current MCU three
thousand years in the past, which leads you to believe,
like why so what happened in the last thousand, Like
you guys, why all out? But where's the new solution?
You know, why are you time traveling? And so that
(20:51):
was a little weird to me, Like I thought that
they should have scaled it, you know, put them five
hundred years ahead of whoever they're you know, whatever their
contemporaries are doing. But I thought it was a little
weird to have them essentially be a modern technology.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Would have been cooled to see different eras of their technology.
I would also say, how do you guys? I feel
like potentially, if six months ago they'd said, hey, it's
going to be a four episode mini series about the
you know, the fights and flights of the war dogs
in Waconda. I feel like Disney kind of just didn't
(21:47):
tell us that it was going to be a shortened season.
Four episodes is never what you expect from a standard season,
and they were kind of pushing that idea of you know,
when Ironheart came out, they had Ryan Coogler and Michael B.
Jordan I'm really rad and supporting the show and talking
about it, and they were like, isaawa kanda isawakonda? Do
you guys feel like if there had been a little
bit more stage setting for what the show would be
(22:10):
able to bring, it might have been easier for you
guys to stomach if you knew it, like or more
enjoyable or something.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, I just think there just needs to be
more of it. It's really that simple for me. Yeah,
Like it really stage setting could have happened in the
show if we had more episodes before, like, and I
think if you only have four, don't do an adventure
of the week, you do a four part story, and
you know that's that's just really where I am. I
(22:38):
think this is very promising, but just not enough of it. Joe,
what do you think.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, I'm looking at Tales of the Jedi. You know
that had six episodes, three each dedicated to a single character,
and I think that format really works well. But when
I think back to the advertising, it's very similar of like, Okay,
at your Star Wars conventions, you're seeing a lot of
ads or something pop up, maybe your D twenty threes,
but not a lot in between, like trying to draw
(23:03):
you into watching these animated shows. And I just I
would like to see a refocus on animation. I think
between the loss of College Network, which was doing some
really big things. I mean we I want to say,
like twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, maybe we saw this
boom and like really excellent animated television. Can maybe take
(23:23):
back to twenty ten with the start of Adventure Time.
We saw a lot of new young creators, We saw
a lot of different styles of animation, and I really
felt like from the television angle, we were pushing.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And even you could take it back.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
To film and things like Cloudy with a Chance comes
out and what like twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Somewhere and then and then sets everything up for two
of the biggest directors to kind of come into animation.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
One hundred percent. And so I guess I, you know,
I liked what we got. I do feel bereft. I
also feel like Disney, You're supposed to be like Kings
of animation. This shit be. I think when Marvel's releasing
animated stuff, this should be like a really big deal.
It should be breathtakingly gorgeous. The story should be great,
(24:09):
Like you have great writers like Jeffrey Thorne and Mark
bnardnerre two of the EPs on this show.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And they've done a lot in the comic space, so.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Much good shaping of these characters in these worlds. And
I'm a little bit flabbergasted that we're still you know,
especially I think coming off of something like Netflix kind
of blowing us away with our Kane and other partnership
with Sony and Kate pop Yaman Hunters.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's like why why? I will just say that I
don't know that a series that went so far over
budget that we are actually still struggling to understand how
they spent the money is the example that we necessarily
want to use in this in this situation, because I
(24:53):
think that's exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
What Disney is like worried about Yeah, no, I will look,
I will say I do that Netflix is like in
a space right now where they are committed to animation
in a way.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
You know, they have obviously cap up Demon Hunters. I
am literally about to leave to go to New York
to present a movie called Fixed by Gendy Tarkovski, which
is like a crazy rated animated movie which I actually
found to be incredibly like heartfelt and interesting. We also
have like a cultural explosion in anime, and people are
(25:26):
easily able to access some of the best animation in
the world. And I think that that means when Disney
does something who were that you know, huge kind of
animation space. They were the forefrunners of it, at the
four runners of it. Like, I think that it's understandable
(25:47):
to want a little bit more, but I do think
that the main thing here is just not enough time,
not enough space, because there's characters here that I do
want to see again, like I want to see Jurani.
I love that we got this second animated iron Fist
played by Joan Najao. I thought that was like such
a real quay. I loved the kind of they kept
(26:07):
the law, like you go to defeat Shao Laud. I'm
dying you go to and I'm like, I want to
see a whole series about that, Like I want to.
I you know, if there is a character that we
see again in the MCU, who would you want that
to be? Joel?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean and.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah, Jason, did you see like you had to answer ready?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean I was going to say that there is
an immortal you know, the Matt Fraction immortal Iron Fist
run is exactly the thing that Rosie just laid out,
which is like a set number of issues focusing on
certain historical iron Fists through time so that you kind
(26:49):
of get the feel for what the role is, what
the arc is, the challenges each of these characters had
to face during different periods in time, and the kind
of their own personal relationship with the responsibility and legacy
of taking on the role. It was like a great
it was really interesting, but it also like had plenty
(27:12):
of runway to let those stories unfold. But I think,
like I mean you mentioned it, like I think an
iron Fist through time story would be incredible.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I could not agree more. I love iron Fists, like
the character at large, and I think seeing different iterations
would be fabulous for me, though, I want more time
with Nanny, Like I'm really intrigued. I just think, like
the again just to shout out, like the hard work
that some of the animators have done, Like the Fortress
(27:41):
of the Wardogs was so freaking cool. I was like,
it's on the other side of the waterfall where they
crowned the king, because that's baller, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Really did a great job talking to she did a
great job. And I think also I think they set
Nonny up as like kind of the nick Fury. They
gave it the eye catch they I would like to
see her putting together the war Dogs, especially because they're
not what you expect based on the comics.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I love spending time with Nannia. I think the fact
that like her sort of future generations are quoting her
and she sort of has this epic legacy and she
has a very dope look is super cool.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And also, if we just wanted to see the Lions rise,
would read an entire comic book about it. I don't
know if we actually don't know if we need a
TV series for that, but if somebody could just put
that in a comic and I can see, like his
thoughts on like what is freedom are so like fascinating
to me, Like when people.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Also wacons read Pirate King, Yeah, interesting, I love that. Well.
I would also say I think something that they get
into a little bit here which is interesting. It's kind
of like in the later books, especially the tanahasy Coats stuff,
they get into this idea of like Wakanda is almost
like a colonizer of space and they have to deal
with like the realities of like what it means to
(28:57):
do exploration to take new Land. And I think there
is a lot of interesting stuff there that I feel
like was an influence on this that got like touched on,
but is never truly you know, delved into. And when
we get that final Nika Nonnie Rose version of the
Black Panther in the future and stuff, I thought they
did a good job of ultimately tying it back to
the MCU and also then saying, hey, all these characters
(29:19):
live in the MCU that you understand now because of
this pickaxe. But I would have just yeah, I would
have just loved to see, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
With the switch to kill me. I was like, for me, like, yeah,
is it Yeah, maybe a little cheesy, but okay, it's
like a it's a post credit scene that you know
where it's going. It builds into the lore. Okay, I
have one last question before we get out of here. Guys,
sure if we were going to take another part of
the MC doesn't have to be content from anywhere that
(29:47):
we could build law into, and it was going to
be an animated show, which group or personal episodes into
yes with a full with a full season order, what
would you like to know more about?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I think Jason really already kind of touched on it.
I think that idea, especially after seeing you know, Jirani.
I think doing some kind of iron fist history, Who's
who's had all the mantles? How has the technology changed?
That kind of thing. I would also love, you know,
in Wakanda, some kind of slice of life, like what
(30:21):
is it like to live in Wakanda and not be
in the dormage, not be in the war dogs, not
be a royal family member? Like? I want to know
about that. I want to know some young kid who
accidentally finds an artifact and has to go on an
adventure like Black Panther kind of has that Star Wars
thing right now where everybody it's about lineage and legacy
(30:42):
and family, and I would love to know about the
other people in that world.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Same well. Coming up on x ray Vision, we're diving
into this week's newest horror movie Weapons. Cannot wait to
see this movie. That's it for this episode. Thanks for
listening by. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion
and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Our supervising producer is Abuza par.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi our discored moderator.
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