July 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Every hero needs a good villain, and sometimes that villain is a giant planet consuming cosmic entity or his metallic herald riding on a surfboard! The Fantastic Four will face off against Galactus and Shalla-Bal, and Jason and Rosie are here with your Shield briefing on both of these intergalactic beings!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for some comic book arcs,
but it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
My name is Jase Konzepsi and I'm rosday Night, and
welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we dive
deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture.
We're here at iHeart Podcast, where we're bringing you three
episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday, plus the summer's
biggest movies every Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
And it's Saturday, it's on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
In today's episode, we are breaking down the antagonists of
the upcoming Fantastic Four movie.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Galactus and Silver Surfer. And it might not be the
Silver Surfer you're thinking of. I remember, uh, oh, what's
not norn Rad? Who could that be?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And remember, guys, we will be at San Diego Comic
Hall and you are going to be able to see
us a ton of cool events.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Don't forget. Oh does It Fly?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Panel with the Roddenberry Estate is going to be at
twelve thirty on Thursday. We've got two amazing auctions with
Den of Geek and eBay Live, a Superman one on
Thursday at four pm and a Goddilla one Saturday at
four pm, and you'll be able to see me and
Jason around the rest of the night, plus a super
fun meet and greet and live episode recording at seven
(01:28):
pm at Mission Brewery. And you don't even need SDCC
pass to get into that one.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But up next, let's talk about Galactys and the Silver Shower. Okay, Rosie,
So here's some things that we definitely know about the
upcoming Fantastic Four film, the long awaited and much anticipated
Fantastic four film. All the trailers are out there now.
(01:54):
We know and have known for a while that Galactus
and the Solar Surf we're going to play key role.
Galactus appears appears to be the main antagonist of the film.
Who knows if that's the case. We'll get into that
in a bit, if it's some kind of fake out.
That said, we should prepare our listeners for just the
(02:17):
long history of who these characters are. Try and give
us some context of, you know, what we can expect.
So let's talk about it. Should we start with who
do you want to start with?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, let's start.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think we should start with Galactus simply because the
origin story of Galactus and Silver suffer is really interesting
created by Jack Kebby, and Stanley will say that about Galactus.
And basically, back in the day picture this, it's nineteen
sixty six, it's New York. They would write a comic.
And we've talked about this before, Jason.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
The Marvel method, the Marvel method, the Marvel method, and.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That basically means like Stanley would give some notes and say, hey,
maybe this should happen, and then Jack Cubby would come back,
he draw it, and sometimes, as we have found out
in the last few decades, he would also write the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So he really was having a very active part.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It was a collaborative It was truly a collaborative process.
The writer was not solely the writer. The artist was
not solely the artist. There was a lot of crossover,
and to your point, stan very often was giving just
kind of like bare bones.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Bounce right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And in this case there was an unexpected character when
stan asked for it back, which was the Fantastic four.
It was number forty eight, and there in the middle
of the story, as Lee recalled in like a nineteen
ninety five interview, was some kind of not flying on
a surfboard and he said, I thought Jack, this time,
(03:48):
you've gone too far, because they'd agreed on this idea
of this kind of cosmic predator of planets.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But it was Jack who came up with the idea
of the silver surfer and this idea of almost.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like a herald, and he said he decided that the
surfer would be on a surfboard because he was tired
of drawing space ships. Jack Kirby very known for his
incredible technology designs, so that was really an interesting thing
that still to this day is causing drama in the
comic book community over who was the creator, who wasn't
(04:20):
the creator. So that was their kind of origin. Now
let's talk a little bit more about Galactus. I'm a
huge Galactus fan. I love the original Galactus trilogy. It's
a gorgeous book.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Galactus is essentially very.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
What the kids would call nowt opie. He is a
giant deity who can just eat a planet.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's kind of ah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He's a big, chunky boy, loves to eat a delicious planet.
And he essentially appeared as a huge new style of
antagonist for Marvel.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And I think this is really where we.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Start getting those iconic god level antagonist. If you remember
when the MCU was first starting, one of the big
issues they had was everyone was like who are your
big antagonists?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Like who? And everyone was thinking of Galactus.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They were thinking of the ex Men villains, all these
people Marvel couldn't use, And that's how we ended up
getting Thanos, which obviously worked out incredibly beloved Jim stalin creation,
but who wasn't necessarily as famous as these villains. So
Galactus is basically someone that Jack Kirby was inspired by,
and he said that this was kind of this idea
(05:36):
that he didn't want to make a stereotype, like they
wanted to create something that was a god that was
basically beyond reproach, beyond anyone's opinion. And in his way,
as Jack Kirby saw it, he was like a mythological person.
He's kind of like Zeus who fathered Hercules, and he
and this sort of a surfer were kind of meant
to be these modern legends. And I love that because
(05:59):
now they really are. And this is also in the
Fantastic four is where you got the Scrolls, the Watcher,
the Stranger. So really that kind of expanded out that
alien idea.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's of Galactus what's fascinating is really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I agree, I completely agree. And what I love about
Galactus as an antagonist is, unlike many other big time
antagonists in the Marvel universe, he's not evil. He's just
like a part of nature.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
He's like a hurt Yeah, he's kind of like how
we talk about the WATCHO where it's like the watch
always has to watch.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Galactus is like, sorry, I just have to eat planets.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's how I survive, Like, and that's not part of
the universal process. Like there have been storylines where read
kills Galactus and it just throws the universe into into chaos.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Sorry can you?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And also no, I love it and it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And also one of the things about Galactus is it
inspired other creators.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Like there is a crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Book from nineteen eighty three calls Supervillain Classics Number one
Galactus the Origin where it shows you about like Galactus
was there at the Big Bang and he accidentally like
bonded with the sentience of the universe, and there's kind
of and then there's these like primeerial gods and they
kind of were really playing with this extremely cosmic space.
(07:22):
And the thing about Galactus that's really interesting is generally
he is connected like obviously to the Fantastic Four and
kind of.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Is one of the oldest entities in the Marvel.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Universe, which I always think is really fun because the
thing about Galactus is that he is like the Silver Surfer,
you know, the first family is Marvel's first family is
Fantastic Four, and it kind of makes sense that he
ends up being one of the oldest villains in the
whole cannon. I mean, his powers are pretty extensive if
(07:59):
we're real, like he can eat planets depending on what
version he has, like the power Cosmic. Yeah, he can
like sort of just appear. His size obviously shift throughout
the comics, which is always kind of funny. But we
get to see a version of him here where in
the trailers. From what we've seen, he is a giant
who kind of eats planets, which is what.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We know of it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think a good marker of how strong he is
is his heralds. He makes his heralds, he imbues them
with his power cosmic, and they the heralds, getting a
fraction of his power, basically become one hundred class like
the highest measurement level hero in the Marvel universe. Like,
you know, the Silver Surfer as strong as the Hulk
(08:44):
because Galactus made him that way, like a non super So.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think that's that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And also as well, this is like you were speaking
about the Galactus dying and what happens when Galactus dies.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So we see one of our favorite writers, Louis Simonson,
she actually did a Galactus miniseries with John Bashema, and
Galactus died, right, it was in the late early two thousands,
and then you basically had to do like books and
books about how it impacted the universe. And I think
(09:22):
from what we're seeing about this movie, that's right. What
do you think about the theory? Everyone assumes, like they
want Franklin, Galactus is going to have to like eat
the planet and they're going to have to move to
a new world.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
What if they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What if they kill Galactus and then the planet like
is destroyed by you know, an incursion or by the
fact that Galactus no longer exists or whatever he was
trying to stop by eating Earth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That would be actually a very interesting twist.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It could. It would be. I also think that there
is a I think there's I think it could be that.
I think I think there's a possibility that Galac this
wants Franklin because he needs a successor. He's thinking Franklin
could become Galactus. And I'm also thinking that maybe, you know, Franklin,
(10:11):
full power, full maturity is arguably the most powerful human
mutant there is. He can create entire universes by.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, he can try realities, the whole thing. And so
maybe it may be the case that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Franklin creates the six one six and that's how they get.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
The very good point.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Actually, wow, I would love to see that. I would
love to see that.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Also, we have to bring it up. You touched on this.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
There is a version of Earth X Franklin who does
become Galactus.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Which I think is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Also in Secret Wars, Galactus tries to eat battle well,
and so like I feel like when Secrets was coming,
that could definitely be a way to lean into this. Also,
there's been a lot of really interesting because it's been
you know, decades, there's been times when like mister Fantastic
(11:16):
has tried to save Galactus and then had to go
to that's sick, Yeah, and he's had to go to
like Intergalactic Court for saving him, and also like Galactus
has been stuck in the negative zone, which is where
for a long time we assumed that we would find
our Fantastic Four who would end up here. And basically
(11:36):
there was something really interesting in the kind of history
of the Marvel Universe, very controversial comics by Mark Wade
from twenty nineteen. I wrote quite extensively about them, But
there was an interesting thing there where they basically had
It was Galactus telling the story of the Marvel Universe
(11:57):
to Franklin Richards as the universe eyes.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So I wonder if there's some kind of connection.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Here where Galactus and Franklin Richards are doing that thing
we see in the Hickman Fantastic Four run there is
like a Galactus Franklin kind of at the end of
the universe. That's where they end up because they're both
so powerful. So I think that connection between Galactus and
Franklin is gonna be really interesting. I haven't quite worked
(12:25):
out exactly what they're gonna do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's quite up in the air, Like is Galactus trying
to save Franklin? Does Galactus want Franklin because he is
grown up Franklin.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Does he want.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Franklin because he knows Franklin's gonna do some kind of
terrible baby magic that he can't control and cause a problem.
Or is Galactus just hungry, Like We're not gonna know
until the movie comes out, But yeah, I mean he's
a massive, giant being who can literally like chomp on
a planet. One of the best, most coolest super villains ever,
(13:00):
that banger, big helmet that is just so iconic, and yeah,
there's a lot of connections with him. And if you
remember from The Not So Beloved or Love and Thunder,
but we kind of got into the idea of like
Eternity and these different huge beings and kind of people
who live at the end of time or outside time,
and Galactus is very connected to those.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
So I think Galactus and Silver Surfer are.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Going to be a primary part in explaining how and
why the Fantastic Four end up in our universe. That's
like my biggest, my biggest thought. But yeah, if you
are excited about Galactus, obviously we always recommend the original
Galactus trilogy, which is kind of like five years in
to the Fantastic Four run that is so famous by
(13:47):
Jack and Stan and it's really really cool, really out there.
But there have been so many incredible Galactus stories throughout
the years that he's in the Infinity Gauntlet, the Infinity War,
he in some really really cool Fantastic Four stuff, from
the early Zeros he was in.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, he's been in basically everything you can imagine.
Scar Son of Hulk.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
When they first introduced him, they had Galactus and Silver
Surfer as the antagonist, so I think it's gonna be
a really interesting time. He was dead recently in the
comics for a little bit, but he is back now,
resurrected by his heralds, and he has had many heralds,
which is gonna lead us to our next conversation about
the Silver Surfer, because the Silver Surfer we know is
(14:33):
norin Rad. That's who we saw brought to life by
Doug Jones and Lawrence Fishburne in the original Fantastic Four
Rising Silver Surfer movie, which was just such a fun movie.
Though I have to say, gotta say it, guys, always
got to get it out of my system. I hate
Cloud Lactus. I hate Smoky Cloud Lactus.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I need to see real Galactus guy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Come on, Yeah, I want I don't want to see
a shadow, I don't want to see smoke.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I want to see the Big Boy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But our beautiful, fantastic Silver Surfer in that movie who
when you go back and watch it actually still looks
so good.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think looks pretty good. Yes, so good.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And also the Lawrence Fishburn voice. There's so much there
that's your classic Norrin Rad, who was the original character
that Jack Kirby created. But the version that we will
be getting here is Charla Baal, who actually is a
really old character. She was first introduced in nineteen sixty
eight Silver Surfer by Stanley and John Bushema, and she
(15:32):
is basically like the love interest of norm Rad.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And the general story goes that Galactas said, Hey, I'm
going to.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Eat your planet and destroy your I'm gonna La zen
Lar in the Denev system in the galaxy, and basically
norrim Rad was like, bro, I don't want you to
kill my people, kill my wife, kill my And also,
if you've watched the Surfer cartoon, can't recommend it enough.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's on Disney Plus from the nineties. Loads of crazy
cgi on there. But like, zen La is kind of
like a Utopia too, like Charli ba is the Empress
and it's just viby and like everyone's having a.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Great ti exactly, are free like.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Blue milk or whatever. Everybody's loving it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And then Galactus is like, hey, I'm gonna come and
eat your planet, and norm Rad says, please don't do that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I will become your.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Herald if you spare zen La and allow my lover
Shalli Bar to exist. So that is the original reason
that the silver Surfer becomes a silver Surfer. I am
assuming in this movie we will see that. Charlibal as
the Empress, was like, I will become your herald. Save
my lover, norm Rad, save my people. And then basically
(16:56):
what you end up with is a situation where the
over surfer does always end up rebelling against Galactus.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
He just can't. There comes where he just can't take
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, and I think that that's gonna happen with Charlibal. Also,
Charlibal has had the power cosmic in her before, and interestingly,
when she has she's able to kind of like create
vegetation and life and trees, which is what she wanted
it for, to bring it back, bring life back to
(17:32):
zen La. So I'm very interested to see We've now
listened to this in Earth X, where Franklin Richards is Galactus.
She was transformed into the Silver Surfer by Franklin Richard
to fight the Celestials.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I'm very interested is Earth X gonna kind of
become our our new ultimates?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like this was a nineteen ninety nine limited's comic from
Jim Krueger Jean Pauleon, and it's basically like a dystopian
version of the Marvel universe.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And it's this sort of hilariously was.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Inspired by like Wizard Magazine asking Alex Ross how to
make a dystopian version. But I'm interested to see. It's
very terrogen mists and celestials and stuff that I think
the Marvel MCU.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Has kind of given up on.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But it does also explore the ideas of like vibranium
and read Richard's trying to save the universe and stuff,
So I'm interested to see if it seems like maybe
they're taking from there a little bit, so I think
we could get our Charli Bar basically has been created
or made by this version of Galactus. If he is
adult Franklin, that would also be interesting. Also gets them
(18:49):
out of an iron lad conundrum which we've always been
wondering about, which is kind of like the versions where
Franklin becomes Kang the Kara, you know, and obviously we
know that the their iteration of Kang has obviously shifted
and changed.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You bring up a good point. I want to shout
out one of our listeners in the discords, who Tyrone
be Teaching, who put forth the hypothesis that it might
be Franklin who creates mutants in the main timeline like
this his work, which I really enjoy that, and I
do wonder it made be because he mentioned that being
(19:28):
a kind of reversal of the late nineties heroes reborn paradigm,
which can't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So after onslaught in like the late nineties, all the
heroes quote unquote died, but really they went to a
pocket universe created by Franklin Richards where they restarted their
lives and careers, which makes me wonder if if Galactus
is adult, Franklin Richards is crazy love this weird like
(20:01):
sixties techno world that the frank that the FF live
in is not a pocket universe Richard family, and then
he is but the paradox is he's being born again
because his mom's pregnant, and now it's like a time
paradox that he has to figure out. Because now there's
(20:23):
that that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Is really interesting and I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, let's go to uh break and then we'll talk
more about off theories than how we think this could
all play in to the Fantastic full movie.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Way back now.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The only the only issue with that's a good one,
that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The only issue with that is, like, is it too
many pockets universes now with Superman in the future.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, look, I'm not gonna lie yet. Do I think
like we we we talked about this in our.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
News episode, but like when when it broke? But like
I do wonder if part of the reason they cut
John Malkovich as the Red Ghost is because there was
like they had had this idea of, oh, we can
put all these different people in Pocket universes, we can
introduce them, we can take them away, and my golly gosh,
(21:30):
they probably pissed off the Superman got there first. Like
definitely very intriguing and I'm very interested to see what
they want what they do with charlih Bal because like
she has also got a lot of connections with like
Doctor Doom, with Mephisto, she was actually trapped as like
(21:54):
a Latverian peasant girl by Mephisto at one point and
had to marry Doctor Doom, which I love obviously, would
be incredible to see some of that come in.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Will she just be just the silver surfer?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's kind of what I'm interested in, is are they
gonna lean into any of this stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Are they gonna have her like Alie with the scrolls
like she did in the comics.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Is she gonna be a bigger power and a bigger
character outside of this.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Than just the Herald.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I don't know, because I feel like from what we've
seen so far of Charlah Ball and those are just trailers.
So I'm holding my breath as somebody who ragged on
the Wicked trailers, but now like loves Wicked so much,
Like I know, a trailer can be changing, that can
change to a cinema screen. I just I don't feel
like from what we've seen of Charla Ball, she looks
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like she's gonna be a kind of great, great character.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It looks like she's a little bit unfinished.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm not sure, I don't love the makeup that they've
the shadow makeup they've kind of given her, though Aaron
says the recent clips had her looking a bit better,
so fingers crossed they're still working on her. I would
stay the movie the finished but you know what, I
appreciate that animators out there right now who are doing this,
And yeah, I'm very I'm very interested because Charli bal.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Could be a good kind of human, kind of alien like.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Crossover between the broadness of the Marvel cosmic which can
be a little bit scary and weird people, but she
can also just be a person that people can hopefully
relate to.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I'm also interested.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What do you think of the odds that we will
get any Silver Surfer origin or Challibar origin. We often
don't get that in the movies. It's just usually they exist.
I would be interested to know, But the Fantastic Four
movie is only an hour and fifty five minutes long,
so I don't know if we'll get that here, or
maybe we would get it in like an animated thing,
(23:50):
which is how we got it in the nineties. Yeah,
or obviously in the comics.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
My guess, as we get hints in there, we don't
really see it, or she may talk about it, but
but not we don't actually see it happen.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think that's yeah, maybe she like has to sit
down with Sue.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
He kind of like talks about it. Yeah, I could see.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That, Rosie tell me so, Okay. We talked about the
cutting of the Red Ghost, which is fascinating, which tells
me that he must have not been a tremendously big
part of this movie if they were able to cut
him out like that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That's what I'm thinking, Like, maybe he must have only
been it for like five ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It feels like they he can't have been in it
for that long.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So give us some theories about what you think is
going to happen in this movie. Okay, you know what
the setup is, baby mine, Let's give you this.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I love you, Okay, So I think that this. I
do think this is a real world. Even though I
love the Pocket Universe idea. I love the idea that
maybe it's like an early version of battle World that
Doctor Doom is trying to make and maybe they're stuck
in it because the retrofuturistic thing does seem odd. And
(25:02):
I will say I have I have been put on
your spoiler imus if you don't want to hear this. Guys,
But the talk coming out of the fan events where
there is the first thirty minutes of the movie has
been shown spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Again, we were right that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Basically the first I thought this would be most of
the movie, but apparently the first thirty minutes of the
movie is them throughout different periods in their career, getting
too where we meet them where basically they meet.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Galactus at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So the fact that Galactus is in there thirty minutes in,
I think there could be a whole half of this
movie that.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
We are not really aware of.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh, you know, like they've kept from us in the trailers,
which I think would be really powerful. My main theory
is just I think it's the one we've all been floating.
I do think we're going to end up in a
situation where they destroy this universe, they have to end
up back on our universe.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
But the Franklin wrinkle I hadn't really seen, and I'm
very interested to explore how that goes down, because obviously,
you save your own baby, you love your.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Baby, but choosing your baby over a whole universe, that
kind of puts you into a morally gray space. I
wonder if we see the Fantastic Four kind of become villains,
or if they do decide to give Franklin to Galactus
to save their earth and then they come to the
(26:27):
MCU to try and get him back or fight or
get the Avengers get people to help them fight against
Galactus to save their world. That's another option.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I'm just very.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Interested because I do feel like post Superman, right, I
feel like we basically ended up in a situation where
DC said, Hey, you don't have to do the homework.
You can just come and watch this crazy movie where
everything happens.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And I Marvel want and we know that Marvel knows
that that's an issue with their.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Own they need Yeah, they need to do it. But
I will say.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I do think that by connecting the Fantastic Four to
the Thunderbolts, they have already kind of eschewed a little
bit of the appeal of like, oh this is something new,
it's not completely connected. So I'm really interested to see
how they play with that. And also Ian producer Ian
asked a great question, do you think we will see
norim Rad? Because there was rumors that they cast like
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Lickith Stanfold as him, which I would love to see,
but I'm guessing I think we could maybe see him
in a post credit scene or something, but probably more
of like a name drop or mention than actually seeing to.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
To silver surface.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Though, I will say, what do you think about now
we know that she is Charla Ball? I mean, and
we just got Mephisto in Ironheart and the timing of
those two things, is Mephisto going to be in this movie? Like?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Are we gonna see him?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
My feeling is no, although Mephisto is connected to uh
these kids through different storylines, I I I think no,
But I also have this question in my mind. You
mentioned the run time and the fact that you know,
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the first half hour against semi spoiler that's out there,
We're going to see kind of the early history of
the Fantasy four for the first thirty minutes or so
of the film, which leaves you wondering, like, is Galactus
really the like who is the bad guy for most
of the right because we're not gonna be We're not
gonna be fighting Galactus for the last for.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
The hour minutes. It could like it now, it could
be Challa Ball, but that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Could be very much like the previous Fantastic.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Four movies, So you kind of made it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, right, So who is it? Is it?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Is it Doctor Doom?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
As Aaron is putting in the shot? Is it Doom?
Is it somebody else? Is the villain of this movie?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think that to do a great Fantastic Four story,
you need a great Doctor Doom.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And I do understand that with Robert Downey Jr. That
is harder. They're paying him like hundreds of millions of.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Dollars, But I'm like, they dropped that bag on him.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Let's see how he does.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think the only way he could pull it off
is if he does a version where he doesn't you know,
he never takes off the mask.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But let's see how it goes. It's all like, I
think it would make sense that he is.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
The man behind the plan, because that's always what he is.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And also.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It would be interesting to see how they played with
the notion of like, how can Doctor Doom be a
worse villain than Galactus?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
If you can.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Prove that in a movie like this, you are off
to a fantastic start with your Fantastic Four stuff. So
maybe the idea guess there's a version where instead of
the Beyonder or like Dr Doom is kind of using
Galactus to make Battle World, maybe by like taking some
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planets hostage.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I would be interested.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But I do feel like there is a secret secondary
part of this movie that they do not know about it,
and I'm interested to see how that goes down. I
was also pretty shocked that they put the Franklin Galactus singing,
because I do feel like that makes the Fantastic Four
instantly seem if they choose Franklin over Galactus, like they're
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not good heroes, and the idea of the Fantastic Four
is they are always open and good and incredible until
Read becomes you know, the Maker, who's the evil version
of Reid, who I would love to see in these movies.
By the way, He's so good when he's evil. And
I do think post the Last of Us, I think
because I think Post the Last of Us, I think
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they wanted the Pedro can do both. He can be
your hero, but he can turn and be a villain,
like Joel was in the finale of the first season
of the Last of Us.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Also, so recently, Matt Fraction.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Massive comeback for him comic book creator behind some of
your favorite stuff. He Hawkeye, the Kate Bishop Hawkeye very
heavily based on his.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Stuff with Aha.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So it's gonna be interesting to see what his book
tells us about the Fantastic Four, because he just did
an official prequel book that came out Four First Steps,
and in it it revealed that the Molloids run by Moleman,
who we have long assumed Paul Waterhouser is going to
play in this movie, are no longer kind of underground
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subterranean creatures or mutants. They are humans who have been
living underground who are oppressed by the people above them.
Now in the comic, they are mostly white humans who
are being oppressed by people above them. So I hope
it doesn't translate directly, but I do think we are
going to have this. Maybe the retro futuristic world of
the Fantastic Four that they live in is built on
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a secret, and the secret is that people who don't
fit in, or people who are not perfect to this
kind of retro futuristic aesthetic have somehow ended up becoming underground.
I was very interested when I read that it felt
totally different than anything we've seen. I am putting it
in the I'm going to be positive about it and
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hope that it goes to a.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Place that we love and that we're really excited about.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But I think, yeah, if you want to check something out,
check out that prequel comic, because Marvel has long laid
the paved the way for stuff in comics, and here
they're actually saying to you like, this is canon to
what is going to happen to in the movie, which
I find very interesting. I also hope one of the things,
I really hope that's lash of a theory, but more
of just like a vibe not in rad Whenever we've
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seen him with the Laurence Fishground version in the comics,
in the cartoons, he is always like heartbroken because he
bathe to save her. I want to see Charli Bald
be a sad girl. I want to hear her talk
about norm d. I want to hear her talk about
her love who she had to leave behind. I hope
that she gets that much time and that much And I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Interested as well. There seems like there could be a
great connection point here between her and two.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So maybe that's something we're going to see that we
haven't gotten to explore before. Maybe that will be a
way that they are able to connect and perhaps get
into the humanity of the Herald, because the Herald has
seen so many terrible things in the context of the comics,
usually when it's nouring that he is very cold, and
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he goes ahead to try and warn people and say, hey,
Galactus is coming, you need to leave the planet.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He's going to eat your planet. But that's really all
he can do.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I kind of love how much of a tragic
figure he is, and I hope that we get some of.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That with Julia.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I mean, you cost Julia Gannah, She's an unbelievable actress.
Give her some space to be a sad weirdo who
is kind of in the thrall of this awful cosmic monster.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Final question for you, mm hmmm. Does every member of
the Fantastic Four survive Slash make it to the six
one six Thunderworlds transition? Do they all get there?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
What if? What about this?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I know they're going to be so pissedive this
is what they did, But what if it's just Franklin
who's in this?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
That would be crazy and like Superman style, and they
basically send him and he's scared and he like does
something that creates a kind of like you know, we
were talking about that incredible movie, uh, you know Capable.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm trying to think, like maybe the Fantastic Four, they
send Franklin to save him, but they stay on their
planet to try and battle Galactus, so they don't leave
their planet and don't abandon the people who live on it.
I would be very interested also if I'm giving you
like a most likely to die from this Fantastic Four
or most likely not to make it. Sorry to Joseph Quinn,
(35:10):
I love Eddie Munson, but I think Johnny Storm is
the one who gets left behind.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's the one that he's the one that dies the
most in the comics exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And also as well, like he is a it's very
easy to bring someone like Johnny back because his powers
are so crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Also as well, Johnny is and always the kind.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Of short tempered bad boy, but he will always come
through at the end to protect his family. So you
could have a good emotional arc there if he makes
a sacrifice sacrifice I don't I think that with the
Bear as successful as it is and how crazy people
went for that casting with Ebon. I think he survives.
I think Pedro survives, but Patro's busy, so.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
He could he could get left behind and then we
could not see him again till Secret Wars when he's
the maker.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You know, there's some interesting is very.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Good with contracts though they understand, you know, how to
do it. And I think somebody like Pedro probably came
into the process with a significant amount of leverage so that.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
An understanding of what it means.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, so that whatever he is doing on the side
will not meaningfully impact what he's doing in the MCU.
But it's but it's interesting. I've been left wondering, like, God,
it feels like they shouldn't all get.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Here, right, it feels like maybe they won't. Oh you
know what. Even crazier thing.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I mean, imagine if in the ship is not the
fantastic for at all, but just like a bunch of
random people from this universe that they decided to save
or something, and we end up in a situation where
it's kind of like we have these galactic cosmic refugees
from this other planet who maybe have a different like
you know, chemical makeup. We're looking for that way that
(36:52):
mutants can get into the universe.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Huh, I'm interested.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know what, this conversation has actually gone more excited
for the moon, Like it's a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Guys, it's a huge list.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I mean, this a big, big deal.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We have been talking. I was talking about this ten
years ago in the comic.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Shop before I moved to America, before I started doing
this as my job. This was the conversation is like,
how do they get the Fantastic Four into the MCU,
How do they do it?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
What deal do they make?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Is the fact that they made Legion the TV show?
Does that mean they're going to be allowed to get
them back? And obviously ultimately what happened was Disney had
bought Fox and now they have them back. But it
is kind of crazy, how I guess. Twenty twenty five
is a sort of numbing year. There is so much
going on that we're dealing with, but it is nice
to feel kind of excited about the potential of this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And I'm also definitely buying.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Carmen has been keeping me updated on the popcorn bucket situation.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I'm buying.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I'm buying the one with the fat but read Richards
that looks like he's got something stretching around the front.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That shit.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They were doing, They know what they were doing, and
I need that in my house. Good Good comparedro Pascal
for being a fun sport because that shit is crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're sharing
our instant reactions from the Fantastic Four movie. Cannot wait
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ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight
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Speaker 2 (38:23):
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Speaker 2 (38:29):
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Speaker 2 (38:37):
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Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for some comic book arcs,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
And it's Saturday, it's on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
In today's episode, we are breaking down the antagonists of
the upcoming Fantastic Four movie.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Galactus and Silver Surfer. And it might not be the
Silver Surfer you're thinking of. I remember, uh, oh, what's
not norn Rad? Who could that be?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
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(01:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But up next, let's talk about Galactys and the Silver Shower. Okay, Rosie,
So here's some things that we definitely know about the
upcoming Fantastic Four film, the long awaited and much anticipated
Fantastic four film. All the trailers are out there now.
(01:54):
We know and have known for a while that Galactus
and the Solar Surf we're going to play key role.
Galactus appears appears to be the main antagonist of the film.
Who knows if that's the case. We'll get into that
in a bit, if it's some kind of fake out.
That said, we should prepare our listeners for just the
(02:17):
long history of who these characters are. Try and give
us some context of, you know, what we can expect.
So let's talk about it. Should we start with who
do you want to start with?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, let's start.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think we should start with Galactus simply because the
origin story of Galactus and Silver suffer is really interesting
created by Jack Kebby, and Stanley will say that about Galactus.
And basically, back in the day picture this, it's nineteen
sixty six, it's New York. They would write a comic.
And we've talked about this before, Jason.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
The Marvel method, the Marvel method, the Marvel method, and.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That basically means like Stanley would give some notes and say, hey,
maybe this should happen, and then Jack Cubby would come back,
he draw it, and sometimes, as we have found out
in the last few decades, he would also write the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So he really was having a very active part.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It was a collaborative It was truly a collaborative process.
The writer was not solely the writer. The artist was
not solely the artist. There was a lot of crossover,
and to your point, stan very often was giving just
kind of like bare bones.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Bounce right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And in this case there was an unexpected character when
stan asked for it back, which was the Fantastic four.
It was number forty eight, and there in the middle
of the story, as Lee recalled in like a nineteen
ninety five interview, was some kind of not flying on
a surfboard and he said, I thought Jack, this time,
(03:48):
you've gone too far, because they'd agreed on this idea
of this kind of cosmic predator of planets.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But it was Jack who came up with the idea
of the silver surfer and this idea of almost.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like a herald, and he said he decided that the
surfer would be on a surfboard because he was tired
of drawing space ships. Jack Kirby very known for his
incredible technology designs, so that was really an interesting thing
that still to this day is causing drama in the
comic book community over who was the creator, who wasn't
(04:20):
the creator. So that was their kind of origin. Now
let's talk a little bit more about Galactus. I'm a
huge Galactus fan. I love the original Galactus trilogy. It's
a gorgeous book.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Galactus is essentially very.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
What the kids would call nowt opie. He is a
giant deity who can just eat a planet.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's kind of ah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He's a big, chunky boy, loves to eat a delicious planet.
And he essentially appeared as a huge new style of
antagonist for Marvel.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And I think this is really where we.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Start getting those iconic god level antagonist. If you remember
when the MCU was first starting, one of the big
issues they had was everyone was like who are your
big antagonists?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Like who? And everyone was thinking of Galactus.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They were thinking of the ex Men villains, all these
people Marvel couldn't use, And that's how we ended up
getting Thanos, which obviously worked out incredibly beloved Jim stalin creation,
but who wasn't necessarily as famous as these villains. So
Galactus is basically someone that Jack Kirby was inspired by,
and he said that this was kind of this idea
(05:36):
that he didn't want to make a stereotype, like they
wanted to create something that was a god that was
basically beyond reproach, beyond anyone's opinion. And in his way,
as Jack Kirby saw it, he was like a mythological person.
He's kind of like Zeus who fathered Hercules, and he
and this sort of a surfer were kind of meant
to be these modern legends. And I love that because
(05:59):
now they really are. And this is also in the
Fantastic four is where you got the Scrolls, the Watcher,
the Stranger. So really that kind of expanded out that
alien idea.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's of Galactus what's fascinating is really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I agree, I completely agree. And what I love about
Galactus as an antagonist is, unlike many other big time
antagonists in the Marvel universe, he's not evil. He's just
like a part of nature.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
He's like a hurt Yeah, he's kind of like how
we talk about the WATCHO where it's like the watch
always has to watch.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Galactus is like, sorry, I just have to eat planets.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
That's how I survive, Like, and that's not part of
the universal process. Like there have been storylines where read
kills Galactus and it just throws the universe into into chaos.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Sorry can you?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And also no, I love it and it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And also one of the things about Galactus is it
inspired other creators.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Like there is a crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Book from nineteen eighty three calls Supervillain Classics Number one
Galactus the Origin where it shows you about like Galactus
was there at the Big Bang and he accidentally like
bonded with the sentience of the universe, and there's kind
of and then there's these like primeerial gods and they
kind of were really playing with this extremely cosmic space.
(07:22):
And the thing about Galactus that's really interesting is generally
he is connected like obviously to the Fantastic Four and
kind of.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Is one of the oldest entities in the Marvel.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Universe, which I always think is really fun because the
thing about Galactus is that he is like the Silver Surfer,
you know, the first family is Marvel's first family is
Fantastic Four, and it kind of makes sense that he
ends up being one of the oldest villains in the
whole cannon. I mean, his powers are pretty extensive if
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we're real, like he can eat planets depending on what
version he has, like the power Cosmic. Yeah, he can
like sort of just appear. His size obviously shift throughout
the comics, which is always kind of funny. But we
get to see a version of him here where in
the trailers. From what we've seen, he is a giant
who kind of eats planets, which is what.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We know of it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think a good marker of how strong he is
is his heralds. He makes his heralds, he imbues them
with his power cosmic, and they the heralds, getting a
fraction of his power, basically become one hundred class like
the highest measurement level hero in the Marvel universe. Like,
you know, the Silver Surfer as strong as the Hulk
(08:44):
because Galactus made him that way, like a non super So.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think that's that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And also as well, this is like you were speaking
about the Galactus dying and what happens when Galactus dies.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So we see one of our favorite writers, Louis Simonson,
she actually did a Galactus miniseries with John Bashema, and
Galactus died, right, it was in the late early two thousands,
and then you basically had to do like books and
books about how it impacted the universe. And I think
(09:22):
from what we're seeing about this movie, that's right. What
do you think about the theory? Everyone assumes, like they
want Franklin, Galactus is going to have to like eat
the planet and they're going to have to move to
a new world.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
What if they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What if they kill Galactus and then the planet like
is destroyed by you know, an incursion or by the
fact that Galactus no longer exists or whatever he was
trying to stop by eating Earth.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
That would be actually a very interesting twist.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It could. It would be. I also think that there
is a I think there's I think it could be that.
I think I think there's a possibility that Galac this
wants Franklin because he needs a successor. He's thinking Franklin
could become Galactus. And I'm also thinking that maybe, you know, Franklin,
(10:11):
full power, full maturity is arguably the most powerful human
mutant there is. He can create entire universes by.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, he can try realities, the whole thing. And so
maybe it may be the case that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Franklin creates the six one six and that's how they get.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
The very good point.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Actually, wow, I would love to see that. I would
love to see that.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Also, we have to bring it up. You touched on this.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
There is a version of Earth X Franklin who does
become Galactus.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Which I think is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Also in Secret Wars, Galactus tries to eat battle well,
and so like I feel like when Secrets was coming,
that could definitely be a way to lean into this. Also,
there's been a lot of really interesting because it's been
you know, decades, there's been times when like mister Fantastic
(11:16):
has tried to save Galactus and then had to go
to that's sick, Yeah, and he's had to go to
like Intergalactic Court for saving him, and also like Galactus
has been stuck in the negative zone, which is where
for a long time we assumed that we would find
our Fantastic Four who would end up here. And basically
(11:36):
there was something really interesting in the kind of history
of the Marvel Universe, very controversial comics by Mark Wade
from twenty nineteen. I wrote quite extensively about them, But
there was an interesting thing there where they basically had
It was Galactus telling the story of the Marvel Universe
(11:57):
to Franklin Richards as the universe eyes.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So I wonder if there's some kind of connection.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Here where Galactus and Franklin Richards are doing that thing
we see in the Hickman Fantastic Four run there is
like a Galactus Franklin kind of at the end of
the universe. That's where they end up because they're both
so powerful. So I think that connection between Galactus and
Franklin is gonna be really interesting. I haven't quite worked
(12:25):
out exactly what they're gonna do with it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's quite up in the air, Like is Galactus trying
to save Franklin? Does Galactus want Franklin because he is
grown up Franklin.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Does he want.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Franklin because he knows Franklin's gonna do some kind of
terrible baby magic that he can't control and cause a problem.
Or is Galactus just hungry, Like We're not gonna know
until the movie comes out, But yeah, I mean he's
a massive, giant being who can literally like chomp on
a planet. One of the best, most coolest super villains ever,
(13:00):
that banger, big helmet that is just so iconic, and yeah,
there's a lot of connections with him. And if you
remember from The Not So Beloved or Love and Thunder,
but we kind of got into the idea of like
Eternity and these different huge beings and kind of people
who live at the end of time or outside time,
and Galactus is very connected to those.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
So I think Galactus and Silver Surfer are.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Going to be a primary part in explaining how and
why the Fantastic Four end up in our universe. That's
like my biggest, my biggest thought. But yeah, if you
are excited about Galactus, obviously we always recommend the original
Galactus trilogy, which is kind of like five years in
to the Fantastic Four run that is so famous by
(13:47):
Jack and Stan and it's really really cool, really out there.
But there have been so many incredible Galactus stories throughout
the years that he's in the Infinity Gauntlet, the Infinity War,
he in some really really cool Fantastic Four stuff, from
the early Zeros he was in.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, he's been in basically everything you can imagine.
Scar Son of Hulk.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
When they first introduced him, they had Galactus and Silver
Surfer as the antagonist, so I think it's gonna be
a really interesting time. He was dead recently in the
comics for a little bit, but he is back now,
resurrected by his heralds, and he has had many heralds,
which is gonna lead us to our next conversation about
the Silver Surfer, because the Silver Surfer we know is
(14:33):
norin Rad. That's who we saw brought to life by
Doug Jones and Lawrence Fishburne in the original Fantastic Four
Rising Silver Surfer movie, which was just such a fun movie.
Though I have to say, gotta say it, guys, always
got to get it out of my system. I hate
Cloud Lactus. I hate Smoky Cloud Lactus.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I need to see real Galactus guy.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Come on, Yeah, I want I don't want to see
a shadow, I don't want to see smoke.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I want to see the Big Boy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
But our beautiful, fantastic Silver Surfer in that movie who
when you go back and watch it actually still looks
so good.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think looks pretty good. Yes, so good.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And also the Lawrence Fishburn voice. There's so much there
that's your classic Norrin Rad, who was the original character
that Jack Kirby created. But the version that we will
be getting here is Charla Baal, who actually is a
really old character. She was first introduced in nineteen sixty
eight Silver Surfer by Stanley and John Bushema, and she
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is basically like the love interest of norm Rad.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And the general story goes that Galactas said, Hey, I'm
going to.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Eat your planet and destroy your I'm gonna La zen
Lar in the Denev system in the galaxy, and basically
norrim Rad was like, bro, I don't want you to
kill my people, kill my wife, kill my And also,
if you've watched the Surfer cartoon, can't recommend it enough.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's on Disney Plus from the nineties. Loads of crazy
cgi on there. But like, zen La is kind of
like a Utopia too, like Charli ba is the Empress
and it's just viby and like everyone's having a.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Great ti exactly, are free like.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Blue milk or whatever. Everybody's loving it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And then Galactus is like, hey, I'm gonna come and
eat your planet, and norm Rad says, please don't do that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I will become your.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Herald if you spare zen La and allow my lover
Shalli Bar to exist. So that is the original reason
that the silver Surfer becomes a silver Surfer. I am
assuming in this movie we will see that. Charlibal as
the Empress, was like, I will become your herald. Save
my lover, norm Rad, save my people. And then basically
(16:56):
what you end up with is a situation where the
over surfer does always end up rebelling against Galactus.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
He just can't. There comes where he just can't take
it anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, and I think that that's gonna happen with Charlibal. Also,
Charlibal has had the power cosmic in her before, and interestingly,
when she has she's able to kind of like create
vegetation and life and trees, which is what she wanted
it for, to bring it back, bring life back to
(17:32):
zen La. So I'm very interested to see We've now
listened to this in Earth X, where Franklin Richards is Galactus.
She was transformed into the Silver Surfer by Franklin Richard
to fight the Celestials.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So I'm very interested is Earth X gonna kind of
become our our new ultimates?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like this was a nineteen ninety nine limited's comic from
Jim Krueger Jean Pauleon, and it's basically like a dystopian
version of the Marvel universe.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And it's this sort of hilariously was.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Inspired by like Wizard Magazine asking Alex Ross how to
make a dystopian version. But I'm interested to see. It's
very terrogen mists and celestials and stuff that I think
the Marvel MCU.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Has kind of given up on.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But it does also explore the ideas of like vibranium
and read Richard's trying to save the universe and stuff,
So I'm interested to see if it seems like maybe
they're taking from there a little bit, so I think
we could get our Charli Bar basically has been created
or made by this version of Galactus. If he is
adult Franklin, that would also be interesting. Also gets them
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out of an iron lad conundrum which we've always been
wondering about, which is kind of like the versions where
Franklin becomes Kang the Kara, you know, and obviously we
know that the their iteration of Kang has obviously shifted
and changed.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You bring up a good point. I want to shout
out one of our listeners in the discords, who Tyrone
be Teaching, who put forth the hypothesis that it might
be Franklin who creates mutants in the main timeline like
this his work, which I really enjoy that, and I
do wonder it made be because he mentioned that being
(19:28):
a kind of reversal of the late nineties heroes reborn paradigm,
which can't.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So after onslaught in like the late nineties, all the
heroes quote unquote died, but really they went to a
pocket universe created by Franklin Richards where they restarted their
lives and careers, which makes me wonder if if Galactus
is adult, Franklin Richards is crazy love this weird like
(20:01):
sixties techno world that the frank that the FF live
in is not a pocket universe Richard family, and then
he is but the paradox is he's being born again
because his mom's pregnant, and now it's like a time
paradox that he has to figure out. Because now there's
(20:23):
that that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Is really interesting and I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, let's go to uh break and then we'll talk
more about off theories than how we think this could
all play in to the Fantastic full movie.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Way back now.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The only the only issue with that's a good one,
that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The only issue with that is, like, is it too
many pockets universes now with Superman in the future.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Okay, look, I'm not gonna lie yet. Do I think
like we we we talked about this in our.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
News episode, but like when when it broke? But like
I do wonder if part of the reason they cut
John Malkovich as the Red Ghost is because there was
like they had had this idea of, oh, we can
put all these different people in Pocket universes, we can
introduce them, we can take them away, and my golly gosh,
(21:30):
they probably pissed off the Superman got there first. Like
definitely very intriguing and I'm very interested to see what
they want what they do with charlih Bal because like
she has also got a lot of connections with like
Doctor Doom, with Mephisto, she was actually trapped as like
(21:54):
a Latverian peasant girl by Mephisto at one point and
had to marry Doctor Doom, which I love obviously, would
be incredible to see some of that come in.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Will she just be just the silver surfer?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's kind of what I'm interested in, is are they
gonna lean into any of this stuff?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Are they gonna have her like Alie with the scrolls
like she did in the comics.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Is she gonna be a bigger power and a bigger
character outside of this.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Than just the Herald.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I don't know, because I feel like from what we've
seen so far of Charlah Ball and those are just trailers.
So I'm holding my breath as somebody who ragged on
the Wicked trailers, but now like loves Wicked so much,
Like I know, a trailer can be changing, that can
change to a cinema screen. I just I don't feel
like from what we've seen of Charla Ball, she looks
(22:45):
like she's gonna be a kind of great, great character.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It looks like she's a little bit unfinished.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm not sure, I don't love the makeup that they've
the shadow makeup they've kind of given her, though Aaron
says the recent clips had her looking a bit better,
so fingers crossed they're still working on her. I would
stay the movie the finished but you know what, I
appreciate that animators out there right now who are doing this,
And yeah, I'm very I'm very interested because Charli bal.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Could be a good kind of human, kind of alien like.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Crossover between the broadness of the Marvel cosmic which can
be a little bit scary and weird people, but she
can also just be a person that people can hopefully
relate to.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I'm also interested.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
What do you think of the odds that we will
get any Silver Surfer origin or Challibar origin. We often
don't get that in the movies. It's just usually they exist.
I would be interested to know, But the Fantastic Four
movie is only an hour and fifty five minutes long,
so I don't know if we'll get that here, or
maybe we would get it in like an animated thing,
(23:50):
which is how we got it in the nineties. Yeah,
or obviously in the comics.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
My guess, as we get hints in there, we don't
really see it, or she may talk about it, but
but not we don't actually see it happen.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I think that's yeah, maybe she like has to sit
down with Sue.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
He kind of like talks about it. Yeah, I could see.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That, Rosie tell me so, Okay. We talked about the
cutting of the Red Ghost, which is fascinating, which tells
me that he must have not been a tremendously big
part of this movie if they were able to cut
him out like that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That's what I'm thinking, Like, maybe he must have only
been it for like five ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It feels like they he can't have been in it
for that long.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
So give us some theories about what you think is
going to happen in this movie. Okay, you know what
the setup is, baby mine, Let's give you this.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I love you, Okay, So I think that this. I
do think this is a real world. Even though I
love the Pocket Universe idea. I love the idea that
maybe it's like an early version of battle World that
Doctor Doom is trying to make and maybe they're stuck
in it because the retrofuturistic thing does seem odd. And
(25:02):
I will say I have I have been put on
your spoiler imus if you don't want to hear this. Guys,
But the talk coming out of the fan events where
there is the first thirty minutes of the movie has
been shown spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Again, we were right that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Basically the first I thought this would be most of
the movie, but apparently the first thirty minutes of the
movie is them throughout different periods in their career, getting
too where we meet them where basically they meet.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Galactus at the end.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So the fact that Galactus is in there thirty minutes in,
I think there could be a whole half of this
movie that.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
We are not really aware of.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh, you know, like they've kept from us in the trailers,
which I think would be really powerful. My main theory
is just I think it's the one we've all been floating.
I do think we're going to end up in a
situation where they destroy this universe, they have to end
up back on our universe.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
But the Franklin wrinkle I hadn't really seen, and I'm
very interested to explore how that goes down, because obviously,
you save your own baby, you love your.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Baby, but choosing your baby over a whole universe, that
kind of puts you into a morally gray space. I
wonder if we see the Fantastic Four kind of become villains,
or if they do decide to give Franklin to Galactus
to save their earth and then they come to the
(26:27):
MCU to try and get him back or fight or
get the Avengers get people to help them fight against
Galactus to save their world. That's another option.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I'm just very.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Interested because I do feel like post Superman, right, I
feel like we basically ended up in a situation where
DC said, Hey, you don't have to do the homework.
You can just come and watch this crazy movie where
everything happens.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And I Marvel want and we know that Marvel knows
that that's an issue with their.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Own they need Yeah, they need to do it. But
I will say.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I do think that by connecting the Fantastic Four to
the Thunderbolts, they have already kind of eschewed a little
bit of the appeal of like, oh this is something new,
it's not completely connected. So I'm really interested to see
how they play with that. And also Ian producer Ian
asked a great question, do you think we will see
norim Rad? Because there was rumors that they cast like
(27:22):
Lickith Stanfold as him, which I would love to see,
but I'm guessing I think we could maybe see him
in a post credit scene or something, but probably more
of like a name drop or mention than actually seeing to.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
To silver surface.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Though, I will say, what do you think about now
we know that she is Charla Ball? I mean, and
we just got Mephisto in Ironheart and the timing of
those two things, is Mephisto going to be in this movie? Like?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Are we gonna see him?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
My feeling is no, although Mephisto is connected to uh
these kids through different storylines, I I I think no,
But I also have this question in my mind. You
mentioned the run time and the fact that you know,
(28:20):
the first half hour against semi spoiler that's out there,
We're going to see kind of the early history of
the Fantasy four for the first thirty minutes or so
of the film, which leaves you wondering, like, is Galactus
really the like who is the bad guy for most
of the right because we're not gonna be We're not
gonna be fighting Galactus for the last for.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
The hour minutes. It could like it now, it could
be Challa Ball, but that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Could be very much like the previous Fantastic.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Four movies, So you kind of made it.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, right, So who is it? Is it?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Is it Doctor Doom?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
As Aaron is putting in the shot? Is it Doom?
Is it somebody else? Is the villain of this movie?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think that to do a great Fantastic Four story,
you need a great Doctor Doom.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And I do understand that with Robert Downey Jr. That
is harder. They're paying him like hundreds of millions of.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Dollars, But I'm like, they dropped that bag on him.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Let's see how he does.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think the only way he could pull it off
is if he does a version where he doesn't you know,
he never takes off the mask.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But let's see how it goes. It's all like, I
think it would make sense that he is.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
The man behind the plan, because that's always what he is.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And also.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It would be interesting to see how they played with
the notion of like, how can Doctor Doom be a
worse villain than Galactus?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
If you can.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Prove that in a movie like this, you are off
to a fantastic start with your Fantastic Four stuff. So
maybe the idea guess there's a version where instead of
the Beyonder or like Dr Doom is kind of using
Galactus to make Battle World, maybe by like taking some
(30:11):
planets hostage.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I would be interested.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But I do feel like there is a secret secondary
part of this movie that they do not know about it,
and I'm interested to see how that goes down. I
was also pretty shocked that they put the Franklin Galactus singing,
because I do feel like that makes the Fantastic Four
instantly seem if they choose Franklin over Galactus, like they're
(30:37):
not good heroes, and the idea of the Fantastic Four
is they are always open and good and incredible until
Read becomes you know, the Maker, who's the evil version
of Reid, who I would love to see in these movies.
By the way, He's so good when he's evil. And
I do think post the Last of Us, I think
because I think Post the Last of Us, I think
(30:57):
they wanted the Pedro can do both. He can be
your hero, but he can turn and be a villain,
like Joel was in the finale of the first season
of the Last of Us.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Also, so recently, Matt Fraction.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Massive comeback for him comic book creator behind some of
your favorite stuff. He Hawkeye, the Kate Bishop Hawkeye very
heavily based on his.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Stuff with Aha.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So it's gonna be interesting to see what his book
tells us about the Fantastic Four, because he just did
an official prequel book that came out Four First Steps,
and in it it revealed that the Molloids run by Moleman,
who we have long assumed Paul Waterhouser is going to
play in this movie, are no longer kind of underground
(31:44):
subterranean creatures or mutants. They are humans who have been
living underground who are oppressed by the people above them.
Now in the comic, they are mostly white humans who
are being oppressed by people above them. So I hope
it doesn't translate directly, but I do think we are
going to have this. Maybe the retro futuristic world of
the Fantastic Four that they live in is built on
(32:06):
a secret, and the secret is that people who don't
fit in, or people who are not perfect to this
kind of retro futuristic aesthetic have somehow ended up becoming underground.
I was very interested when I read that it felt
totally different than anything we've seen. I am putting it
in the I'm going to be positive about it and
(32:26):
hope that it goes to a.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Place that we love and that we're really excited about.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But I think, yeah, if you want to check something out,
check out that prequel comic, because Marvel has long laid
the paved the way for stuff in comics, and here
they're actually saying to you like, this is canon to
what is going to happen to in the movie, which
I find very interesting. I also hope one of the things,
I really hope that's lash of a theory, but more
of just like a vibe not in rad Whenever we've
(32:53):
seen him with the Laurence Fishground version in the comics,
in the cartoons, he is always like heartbroken because he
bathe to save her. I want to see Charli Bald
be a sad girl. I want to hear her talk
about norm d. I want to hear her talk about
her love who she had to leave behind. I hope
that she gets that much time and that much And I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Interested as well. There seems like there could be a
great connection point here between her and two.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So maybe that's something we're going to see that we
haven't gotten to explore before. Maybe that will be a
way that they are able to connect and perhaps get
into the humanity of the Herald, because the Herald has
seen so many terrible things in the context of the comics,
usually when it's nouring that he is very cold, and
(33:41):
he goes ahead to try and warn people and say, hey,
Galactus is coming, you need to leave the planet.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
He's going to eat your planet. But that's really all
he can do.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I kind of love how much of a tragic
figure he is, and I hope that we get some of.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That with Julia.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I mean, you cost Julia Gannah, She's an unbelievable actress.
Give her some space to be a sad weirdo who
is kind of in the thrall of this awful cosmic monster.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Final question for you, mm hmmm. Does every member of
the Fantastic Four survive Slash make it to the six
one six Thunderworlds transition? Do they all get there?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
What if? What about this?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And I know they're going to be so pissedive this
is what they did, But what if it's just Franklin
who's in this?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
That would be crazy and like Superman style, and they
basically send him and he's scared and he like does
something that creates a kind of like you know, we
were talking about that incredible movie, uh, you know Capable.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm trying to think, like maybe the Fantastic Four, they
send Franklin to save him, but they stay on their
planet to try and battle Galactus, so they don't leave
their planet and don't abandon the people who live on it.
I would be very interested also if I'm giving you
like a most likely to die from this Fantastic Four
or most likely not to make it. Sorry to Joseph Quinn,
(35:10):
I love Eddie Munson, but I think Johnny Storm is
the one who gets left behind.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's the one that he's the one that dies the
most in the comics exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And also as well, like he is a it's very
easy to bring someone like Johnny back because his powers
are so crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Also as well, Johnny is and always the kind.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Of short tempered bad boy, but he will always come
through at the end to protect his family. So you
could have a good emotional arc there if he makes
a sacrifice sacrifice I don't I think that with the
Bear as successful as it is and how crazy people
went for that casting with Ebon. I think he survives.
I think Pedro survives, but Patro's busy, so.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
He could he could get left behind and then we
could not see him again till Secret Wars when he's
the maker.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
You know, there's some interesting is very.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Good with contracts though they understand, you know, how to
do it. And I think somebody like Pedro probably came
into the process with a significant amount of leverage so that.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
An understanding of what it means.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, so that whatever he is doing on the side
will not meaningfully impact what he's doing in the MCU.
But it's but it's interesting. I've been left wondering, like, God,
it feels like they shouldn't all get.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Here, right, it feels like maybe they won't. Oh you
know what. Even crazier thing.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I mean, imagine if in the ship is not the
fantastic for at all, but just like a bunch of
random people from this universe that they decided to save
or something, and we end up in a situation where
it's kind of like we have these galactic cosmic refugees
from this other planet who maybe have a different like
you know, chemical makeup. We're looking for that way that
(36:52):
mutants can get into the universe.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Huh, I'm interested.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know what, this conversation has actually gone more excited
for the moon, Like it's a huge deal.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Guys, it's a huge list.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I mean, this a big, big deal.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
We have been talking. I was talking about this ten
years ago in the comic.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Shop before I moved to America, before I started doing
this as my job. This was the conversation is like,
how do they get the Fantastic Four into the MCU,
How do they do it?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
What deal do they make?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Is the fact that they made Legion the TV show?
Does that mean they're going to be allowed to get
them back? And obviously ultimately what happened was Disney had
bought Fox and now they have them back. But it
is kind of crazy, how I guess. Twenty twenty five
is a sort of numbing year. There is so much
going on that we're dealing with, but it is nice
to feel kind of excited about the potential of this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
And I'm also definitely buying.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Carmen has been keeping me updated on the popcorn bucket situation.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I'm buying.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I'm buying the one with the fat but read Richards
that looks like he's got something stretching around the front.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
That shit.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They were doing, They know what they were doing, and
I need that in my house. Good Good comparedro Pascal
for being a fun sport because that shit is crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're sharing
our instant reactions from the Fantastic Four movie. Cannot wait
for that. That's for this episode. Thanks for listening. X
ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight
and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
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Speaker 2 (38:29):
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Speaker 1 (38:33):
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Speaker 2 (38:37):
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