September 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Today on PREVIOUSLY ON, Jason and Rosie are rounding up the HOT new trailers of the week, including: Mandalorian & Grogu, Avatar: Fire & Ash, Wicked: For Good, OD Knock, and Wolverine. PLUS, we have an interview with guest Dave Schilling about his new Blumhouse book “Horror’s New Wave: 15 Years of Blumhouse”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
On today's episode of News, we're talking about news and
a huge week of trailers that have appeared, plus an
interview with Dave Shilling, the author of the new book
about Blumhouse. Hello, and I'm just gets up to you
(00:30):
and I'm risday Night, and welcome back to x revision
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we're bringing you three episodes a week, plus News and
It's News.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's news, Today's news.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In today's News, we are catching up on the biggest
geek news of the week, including Oh my Gosh, Grogu, Alphaba,
and the Novi.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's we got a massive trailer round up.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And I keep forgetting the new Avatar movies coming out
at the end of this year, but that's.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Happening, so they're going to be making some billions.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Insomniac has revealed the first trailer for that highly anticipated
Wolverine video game, and I was not expecting it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
To be the game they are teasing, but I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And as Jason hinted in the spoilers, we are gonna
have an interview with Dave Shilling fantastic journalist, critic and
author of Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumbhouse.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Let's get into it, okay, first trailer of the weeks,
the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer dropped and no big surprises.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Other Mandalorian looks like what.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It looks like a season of the Mandalorian like from
which some people have.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Decried on the internet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
A lot of the as we've been talking about in
our group chat, A lot of the amateur, semi professional
and professional cinematographers slash videographers.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, they got along the line or like.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I would have color graded this different. I would add it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To guess what you're not Dave Philoni bro like that.
My guy, he's gonna do it. You know what? Looks cute.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm glad it looks cute. I'm glad they understand what
we need, which is the baby. I also found this
to be very funny because they definitely tried to release
this during all the Kimmel stuff so people would stop
talking about Kimmel and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So I love when that happens. Yeah, looks cute. I'm
glad to see that. We get Babo Frick.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know, it's not Babo Frick, but it's Babo Frick
type and a Babu Frick and baby moments. That was
really funny. I think I like to see all the
puppetry and the practical effects looks fun.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It will be interesting to see if it lands.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Because it was this is I'm not I'm gonna say
this in a neutral way, but I.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Know people will not take it neutrally. The trailer was
kind of given solow. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It was.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It was like it was like a little fun kind
of outside adventure.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But I don't know if it's gonna have the impact
they're necessarily expecting.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But you know what, I love that Baby.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I mean, I will say baby, that Sigourney.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We were being like the big wow moment. Kind of
of the trailer is mixed. I'm not saying I was
underwhelmed by the trailer, but it was exactly the kind
of trailer I guess that you would imagine in your mind.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I would say that's the case, like it comes out
May twenty second, twenty twenty six, so that means it
will be going up against the highly anticipated on this
podcast more or Combat too, but also that we have
a little bit of time, and it means that Disney
sees this as their big blockbuster for the summer to
launch the season.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think it needs to give us.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Something that the TV show didn't, and from this trailer,
I can't see what that is other than Sigourney Weaver.
But like you said, Jason, Sigourney Weaver, she was in uh,
you know, the Defenders, like we've oh well, come on,
I loved Galaxy, but we've had her in this Disney
space before.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So this isn't necessarily that big feeling that you want
if you could. I want to see them show us.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Why it needed to be a movie, you know, like
I want to see this scope.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's what I was wanting. Like I wanted to give
me a grogu leveled up. Oh my god, Neo at
the end of the Matrix movie.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Give me a Yoda in Revenge of the Sith, he's
doing like some crazy flips, you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Know, give me a oh wow, Mando really has some
new tricks up his sleeve moment. And so it just
kind of felt like more of the same. And I'm
not saying I was disappointed, and I do love listen
I love the baby.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We love that baby.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I love that fifty year old baby.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I love that fifty year old baby. But we need
to know, yes, what, why and what I mean? This
is going to be like our first Star Wars movie.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
None of the also like.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
That thing what I'm there was no like set piece
that you're like, holy shit, it looks like it's a
season of the volume exactly last see that baby practically
running away from an explosion or something.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know, I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Up next Avatar, the Next Airbender, fire and ass motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I mean, listen if you love Avatar. Looks like it's
this is so weet.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We're seeing the Fire Navvy now our characters who we
met from the previous movie, some of them have have
migrated to the land of the Fire Navvy, and clearly
like the ongoing genocide and ecological destruction of this planet
is ongoing, and the Fire Navvy are bringing some actually
(05:45):
like kind of spectacular new uh new weapons and approaches
to the scene.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But it's atinitely more aggressive towards the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Much human colinia. I get it. I get it, and
I like it. As everyone knows. I'm not these James
Cameron Avatar movies.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Are not necessarily for me, But I do think it's
hilarious that he just committed to the elemental bit and.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Now, yeah, it's a little shameless.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It is absolutely shameless because I guys, I gotta say,
Avatar the Last Airbender was made before the first Avatar
movie and was made to add The Last Airbender because
James Cameron was copyrighting the notion of Avatar as a
solo title.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Actually like when the last movie came out and it
was about a water tribe, everyone was kind of like,
oh funny, But now this one's come out.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, it's pretty shameless. We get it. Love Avatar the
Lost Airbender.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
My god, well, I think listen, I think it's it's
James Cameron.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So I'm I'm I give him the benefit of the
doubt that he came up with this idea independently.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, yeah, there's an elemental stories, yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's not exactly right.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Misting a company, a competitor who are coming out before
you to keep the name.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's shady, Hollywood, babe. I agree, you're James Cameron. You
get to do that. That's where you are. Yeah, it
is a big thing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Here is like, well, what if the humans could come
to the planet and they could breathe without mask And
the answer to that is, well, then the Navi people
would be gone.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's kind of I guess the big conflict we're going.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
To be in going into fire and ash Jesson, I
ask your question. When The Way of the Water came out,
people loved it. It felt like it was a kind
of huge moment for them. But I did feel like
part of the reason that was and why it had
such a huge success rate was because we hadn't had
an Avatar movie for fifteen years or something. Right, do
(07:43):
you think this still makes a billion dollars when we
had one last year or two years?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Here's my concern.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
First of all, I want to say that there's never
been a better time for a genocide metaphor in movies.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, we need that, right, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But I'm on the YouTube page now.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Avatar Fire Nash new trailer one day ago came out
six million, six point three million views. That's low.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's low when you can have one hundred and forty
million and twenty four hours on a big trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, so I'm a little I do think that we're
gonna go I'm gonna take the under on Avatar fire
Nash because six million, six point three million and twenty
four hours for this movie.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Which is meant to take two billion dollars. Yeah, that
low seems slightly low.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yes, I'm interested. It's out on December nineteenth, so you
know we'll be covering it. And yeah, I'm sure I
want to see what crazy three D shenanigans James Cameron
is getting up to this time.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Aaron did point out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That Mando and Grogu does have a lot more views,
but over four days, Wicked two, which we're about to
talk about, is much lower.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But this is what too. It's not Avatar.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Yes,
so yeah, it's gonna be you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Will you know. So here is let's talk about the
Wicked trailer new Wicked.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
For Good.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Exactly. Jason's ready, he knows, He's like he knows a musical. Yeah,
Wicked for Good. I can't wait for this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I thought the first Wicked movie was gonna suck, but
I loved it so much and I'm like a Wicked Superstan.
And last night I was watching the Wizard of Oz
and it's so fucking funny to watch the original Wizard
of Oz considering what the canon of Wicked is.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So we're gonna get a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Of obviously big song then dance numbers here in this
second season that the name for Good is named after
the most famous song from Wicked, aside from Defying Gravity,
which is the final song that Alphabet and Glinda.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Sing to each other about how they've changed each other
for good. So, but they're really teasing that here. That's
the song that you mostly hear over the trailer. We
get some huge moments.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You get a tease of how they're going to reimagine
the Nessa Rose of it all. The actress who is
playing ness A Rose is the first disabled actress to
ever play her. She's never been played by a disabled
actress on stage. So you can see here that they're
reimagining the very controversial scene where she uses magic to
learn how to walk. Instead, they have her here using
(10:28):
it to learn how to fly. We get hints of
the big transformations. I had never seen Wicked before I
went with my sister to see it at the theater
a couple of years ago. I did not understand that
the second act of Wicked is essentially like MCU origin
stories for the characters of the Wizard of Us, so
(10:49):
there's some teasers there of characters that you're going to
see transform.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think something really funny about this that me and
Joel were talking about on the episode to do with
the incredible that we're gonna have next week the cap
Pop Demon Hunters Music Interview episode, But something that we
were talking about is kind of I think that for
a long time, well the last year, which has felt
like a very long time, the assumption would be that
Wicked would win the OSCAR next year for Best Original Song,
(11:18):
and they were gonna put two new original songs in
one for Alphaba, one for Glinda, and they have announced
that those will be in there, but thanks to K
Pop Demon Hunters, I don't think either of those songs
are gonna make it. Then, I think Golden is undoubtedly
going to be the best original song of the year.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Though I would love to be proven wrong, I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Do think the first Wicked movie is so much better
than it has any right to be.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
John M. Chew is in his musical theater bag, his.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Classic Hollywood bag, and yeah, and I can't wait to
see this movie comes out November twenty first, and I
think it's gonna be a lot of fun. I think
we're gonna have a great time. And you know, there's
never been a better time for an unhinged press tour,
like we all need an unhinged press to come on, Ariana,
come on, Cynthia, let's do it. I need to know
(12:03):
up next.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
We're gonna be talking about video game trailers after this,
and we're back first in our video game trailer releases
(12:28):
this week is a absolutely terrifying new trailer from the
legend Kojima, very reminiscent of Pet and the project is
called Knock. It's merely a teaser trailer, and I very spooky.
The sound design is amazing, the look is amazing. You're
you're watching this character kind of light all these candles
(12:50):
on a spooky altar in front of a window in
this spooky house. And I'm so delighted to say that
super producer Aaron has committed to playing the game live
on stream.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He will play it. He said, I can't wait to.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do it, and he said, I'm not scared at all.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm stream And he said, if I.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Don't do it, forget it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You can forget about me because I promised you I
will dete and it definitely Yeah Kajima.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And Jordan Peel, so he's got nothing to be scared of.
He looks great. Love Jason Rosie.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
If Kojima releases a game called Knock, I will consider
playing it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But this game is called O D. It's not called knock.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Oh sorry, So Aaron is gonna play O D. He's
gonna he's gonna run stream in a dark room with.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Headphones on live on whatever streaming playform were you.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He's gonna do it. Anna, Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
This is got a crazy cost too, as Kajima always does.
Sophia Lillis from it, and Nancy Drew love her.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
She's great.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Also, hunt A Shafa and Udo Kia such a great
Hideo crazy horror pool. They are advertising this too as
a new kind of media, so I'm interested to know
what that mean.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That means yeah, and also tell you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What I say, release Windows. So here's what I think.
Is it ever coming out?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder if this new kind of media means that
one it's gonna be there's gonna be like an episodic story,
like it's not just gonna be the game, but there's
gonna be like things.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh, Hideo Kajima does Telltale or something of.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That kind of thing, like either an episodic thing or
a branching story where it's different.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So that's my guess.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And listen, Kojima always the weirdest, most ambitious, super creative guy. Yeah,
I'm very excited to see what this is. Oh my god,
up next.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Guys, are you ready?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We've been waiting for clips of the crazy video game
that has been that was announced four years ago or
something time ago, and we're getting now from state of
play we have. They've released a trailer showing some gameplay
and folks, my immediate reaction was, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
My god, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
It is the most it is the most lore accurate
wolver Read ever ever put to any media.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This man has metal clause and he kills people. What
do you think that would look like?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
It is?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
When I was watching it, I was like, it basically
looks like a mixture between Arkham Asylum and All Red
Dead Redemption, you know, whichever kind of walking around God
of War kind of movie that you like, a game
you like to do.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Mixed with mortal combat, which for Me is like a
dream game. So you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
A different level of gore than we've seen even in
Like I mean, I remember that old Deadpool game, which
was pretty controversial at the time.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, this is a whole game level.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, this man is like slow mo spiking his claws
through people's skulls, and gore is gushing and blood and it.
And it looks like they've got like the interactive destructive environments,
which I love because also again another thing, Warner Brothers
have been doing great with the gaming with nether Realm
(16:25):
ever since Injustice, this kind of interactive backgrounds, and they've
bring in that now obviously to a real kind of
walk around game. Yeah, this looks scary, It looks bloody.
I was not expecting this. This is definitely not a
kid's game. Not that not that you know they were
ever gonna market specifically towards kids. It was always going
(16:45):
to be a team plus or m a game. But
think about Spider Man. That's one of the biggest games
of all time, and that game is predominantly played by children.
Even though you beat people up, you're definitely giving people
traumatic brain injury by throwing you know, manhole covers at them.
But this is like Wolverine's violence next level, and it's
next level.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I don't know if I've ever seen a game.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There's skulls getting cut in half, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Like yes, level of blood and people's legs being pulled off.
Also really fun character reveals in this trailer and Maha.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Red did not see that coming.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Miss Stique, who my gut says, from the way we
see her transform looks kind of like a cut scene.
I'm hoping she's a playable character, kind of alah Arkham
Asylum where sometimes you'll have to do different quests as
different people.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Same with Spider Man where sometimes you'll marry Jane.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, the Reavers, which you know, we kind of get
a look at him killing a couple of Rivers here.
They have this very interesting markings on their body, like
very cyborg vibes and a sentinel, which I mean, can
you think of a better boss for a Wolverine game
like this?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We have Leah McIntyre playing Logan, another Aussie Wolf. People
were very excited about this casting online. I think people
feel like it's a It sounds like how they want
Wolverine to sound, and as he says in the show.
You know he's not a hero, He's Wolverine. We have
Canada confirmed, makes sense, that's where he's from. Japan and
(18:16):
Madripoor all major Wolverine places. We see the Princess bar
in this. This is going to be so full of
Easter eggs. Yeah, I mean, I cannot wait, Like if
if I don't have one by then this will be
the game I play.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I buy on a next a next gen console for.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like, I will be buying this or a PS Vibe
to play like I need it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
This is unmissible.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know what I've been thinking too, With the rise
of K pop and the ever increasing mainstreamization of Japanese
pop culture, I would love a Logan and Jubilee about anime.
(19:00):
Thank you, Jason, keep that in your pocket, Okay, I
tell you he's such a good he's such a good
dad character.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That would just be fun. Marico, I do.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think it is one of the biggest things that
they need to reckon with when they put Logan into
the MCU, is his connection to Japan and how it
has been represented, and if there is a more inventive,
interesting way to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
There's kind of never like in a weird way the
culture has come to meet this moment. Like listen, Wolverine's
fascination with Japan has is obviously a long running part
of his personality, but it's a little bit depicted in
a pretty weird way.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, corny, definitely corny.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
There's really a cool opportunity now to do it in
interesting ways.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
This guy spend a lot of time in Japan.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yep, what does that mean over there?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
How does like what does he know? Like what what
Japanese culture things does he know about?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Other than like this busheto and this Yes, like a Samuratha.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's like we get it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You've seen in a Kirikas hour movie logan, Like, let's
find out.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Also potential with you know, having his son Dacon, you know,
having a Japanese Canadian character. I was always I was
always a big fan of maybe you know what if
you made a Japanese Canadian actor logan, what does that
look like? I think there's so many different ways to
do it. Also, super Producer Ian is in Tokyo right now,
(20:42):
and super Produced of comment is suggesting that this could
be a great reason for us to do an X
ray vision trip to Tokyo. So I would love that
I'm in Let's Disney.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Or whoever made this game, INSOMNIAX once or us.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We'll come and play your game in Japan. But yeah, Jason,
I think you're right. I think the time is right.
The time is nigh. Also, isn't it exciting to have
something X Men again that is just so invigorating and different?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Like when we go X Men ninety seven?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I feel like Marvel needs to be leaning in to
the stories where it can take more creative liberties. And
clearly with this game and with Wolverine, they realized they
could do something different and that's what we want to
see on screen as well.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Super excited for that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Coming up next or interview with Dave Shilling, author of
Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumhouse.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right back after this.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Delighted to welcome to the podcast. My old comrade, my
former co worker, my current group chat companion, Dave Shilling,
the writer of Horror's New Wave, The Chronicle of the
Rise and success of Blumhouse.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
David, how are you?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I'm good. There's nothing better than writing a book that's
the rise and further rise versus like, oh, it's a
you know, keep rising. Yeah, it's just a rocket ship
to the moon. It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, fifteen years of Blumhouse, it's pretty well. Dave, how
did you end up writing Horror's new wave?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
That's a wonderful question. And I am going to out
a very good friend of mine who is part of
this story. So this book was originally offered to my
very good friend, Hallie Keefer, who is the head writer
of Love It or Leave It at Crooked, also the
horror podcast called Ruined, and she's like, I don't have time.
You should have my friend Dave do it. And I'm like,
(23:06):
I love this very good friend ex fiance, still my
best friend. And she, you know, she gives me her
crumbs sometimes, but they're delicious crumbs. So I was very
crumb Yeah, I was very blessed.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I accept crumbs.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
While working on this what What? And we were talking
before we went on Mike about how cool.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
The format is.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's almost like a textbook where it gives you like
important statistical breakdowns of each film, how many kills, how
many jump scares, et cetera. What's what's your kind of
like top headline? Takeaways after working on this book.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Well, I mean, I think besides the format of it,
which I think was really a wonderful synergy between what
I thought we should do and my editor and the
studio and all of that stuff, you know, having each
chapter be one movie, in the oral hittory part of
it all, in the graphics and the kill count, which
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I think is probably one of the most fun parts
of the book. You get to see how many people died,
how they died in each movie. I think the really
important thing, and this is great if you are an
aspiring filmmaker, and I'm sure a lot of people listening
to this podcast are, is it teaches you the importance
of not having a lot of resources when you make
a film. Those early Blumhouse movies cost between one and
(24:26):
three million dollars. You think about Sinister, Insidious, The Purge.
These are huge movies that cost very little money. But
it guaranteed one creative freedom for the filmmaker and two
the ability to continue making movies. Right Like, that's the
thing that producers need to do more than anything is
turn a profit of some kind. And so if you
(24:48):
can guarantee that your film is going to come under
budget or around budget, and it's a low budget, and
that there's a market for that kind of cinema. You
can perpetuate a career and industry, and I think that's
what Jason Blum has been able to do his whole
career is perpetuate cinema that is affordable but also engaging.
(25:12):
And this is I think, in a lot of ways,
a textbook for the audience, for the reader, for the
would be filmmaker to learn how to make a film,
learn how to navigate the industry, and learn what's most
important about filmmaking, which is creativity. It's not about resources,
it's not about money, it's about being clever.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They what was your horror origin? Like, when did you
first fall in love with horror?
Speaker 6 (25:40):
That's a great question. Well, the world itself is quite scary,
and so I think horror is always going to be
a big part of my life because it's a way
to exercise some of the demons, so to speak. You know,
Pun intended that plague everybody, you know. I think everyone
can enjoy horror if they see it not as is
(26:00):
just a means to scare you, but a means to
deal with other trauma and This is the hot word,
right This is the word that Jamie Lee Curtis used
to me a lot in our interview about Halloween is
trauma is, you know, the motivating factor for a lot
of films right now. But I think my first horror
movie that I really loved. This is a tough one
(26:23):
because I love so many, but I would probably have
to say it was Nightmare on Elm Street, the original Nightmare. Okay, yeah,
because it combined the surreal kind of qualities that I
grew to love in more mature quote unquote cinema and
the pure thrill of the slasher, and also just the
(26:43):
humor of Freddy Krueger as a concepts as a character.
Robert England gives one of the great performances in that movie,
and then you know, kind of he becomes more of
like a Jim Carrey style comedian later on. It becomes
sillier and sillier. But that's just the nature of a
horror sequel. And you see that in pretty much every
(27:06):
major horror franchise is they get bigger, and they get broader,
and they get more ridiculous as they go on. But
the core element of that that story that your dreams
are going to kill you. I mean, who doesn't relate
to that. You wake up in a cold sweat so
often from a dream, And what if those were made real,
made manifest.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
With that in mind, what would you say is the
kind of rush more of Blumhouse harmonies, the ones that
really defined what Blumhouse is attempting to do, and I
think and defines the studio for the fans.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Boy, that is hard because I think your mind initially
goes to the most recent properties, the bigger things that
have just come out. Right, Megan is now front and
center in so many Blumhouse things. Right, you go to
Hollywood Horror Knights at Universal Studios and there's a whole
Blumhouse experience, and they have Blumhouse merchandise, and the first
(28:10):
character you see is Megan, and Meghan was a huge hit,
and rightfully so. But I think if you really want
to encapsulate what Blumhouse is was and will be, it's
gotta be sinister. It's this small movie directed by Scott
(28:30):
Derrickson that he did after The Dai Leader Stood Still, Right,
that was his big studio movie. He's going to do
this sci fi remake starring Keanu reeves. It's going to
be a huge success. Right. Everybody's looking at that movie
and saying, this is it. You're going to be a
big director, You're going to be the next Spielberg or whatever.
(28:51):
And it was a big failure. You know, he talked
to me about it being a failure multiple times when
we talked, like a failure, not in the sense that he,
you know, felt untalented. Maybe he did in the moment,
but a failure in this incident didn't make money. It
wasn't creatively fulfilling for him. And so you get put
(29:12):
on a list. Everybody knows this in Hollywood. If you
if you have a bomb, you get put on a list.
And people are like, I don't know if this guy
or this this woman can do it. Maybe they don't
have the juice to make a hit movie. And what
happened is Scott and his co writers see Robert Cargill
come up with this idea. They take it to Blumhouse.
(29:33):
And Blum is a good judge of talent. I think
that's his number one greatest skill. It's his ability to
see the talent in people. And he said, I'll give
you you three million dollars or whatever, it is. The budget.
How much it costs is in the book, So if
I'm saying it wrong, check the book and then you'll know. Yeah,
(29:54):
so it's around three million dollars or so. If you
can make it for that, you do whatever you want.
You can have, you can have, you know, creative liberty
to do as you please. Just make it for three
million dollars. I believe in you, and those words I
believe in you. They're so rare in every creative endeavor,
but especially in film. It takes a long time for
(30:15):
you to be able to get people to say that
to you, because they're looking to doubt you immediately, and
they're looking to discard you, discount you, assume that you
don't know what you're doing. I've faced it a million
times in my career, and I will face it a
million more times until at some point someone says, I
believe in you, and I think Sinister besides being a
(30:36):
very early Blumhouse along with Insidious, and they get mixed
up all the time. People mix mix up those titles.
And I talked to Leewan l about this and James
Wan about how Insidious and Sinister are kind of like
weirdly connected in history, but also in those in the
sense that they're one word titles that kind of don't
necessarily mean anything, but they they do mean something, right,
(30:59):
they're scary words. Those two movies were an opportunity for
two very talented filmmakers who had had, you know, failures,
box office failures, to reclaim their talent, reclaimed their their
space in the industry. And so I think Sinister especially,
but Sinator and Insidious are so important to the history
(31:20):
of Blumhouse. And I think if I had to pick
a third, it would be The Purge. All three of
those really define the esthetic, defined the mentality, and define
the mission statement of the company.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And you talked about speaking to leew and Al and
James Wan there is like a murderer's row of talent
in this book. You also interviewed m Night Shyamalan, you
interviewed Ethan Hawk, Jamie Lee Cutis. Was there anything that
really stood out when you were speaking to them, kind
of like a through line that you felt through all
these different people who have worked on these movies.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Gratitude, if that's if that's a fair thing to say,
I will say it. I think they're very grateful that
they had their careers turn out the way that they did.
And part of that success, part of that ability to
overcome all of the obstacles of show business was meeting
Jason Blum and his belief again in them. Right, belief
(32:18):
is the currency of the realm. If you don't have
people who believe in you, if they doubt you, they're
not going to give you money, they're going to give
you resources, they're not going to give you time an opportunity.
And so when you're a creative person and someone comes
along and says, I trust you, do whatever you want
for the most part, right Like, there's obviously there are
stories of test screenings where there are differences of opinion.
(32:40):
There are stories of you know, the hard work that
goes into developing a film or a franchise. And Cooper Samuelson,
who is one of the creative executives at Blumhouse, is
a huge part of a lot of these movies success.
And you can't discount that. It's a collaborative meeting filmmaking.
(33:01):
It's not a full a tourist medium. It's it's everybody
working together. But I think everyone would would would come
along and say, you know, I'm very grateful for this
opportunity that I got to have this moment, and Lee
wan Al tells a really great story about the reviews
coming in for Insidious and the grosses and kind of
(33:22):
how it felt bigger to do that than even Saw
and Saw it was a huge hit, and I'll remember
how huge and impactful Saw was, But there was something
about Insidious and the ownership that they had and the
crawling back from the sort of cinematic abyss that was
really meaningful to him. And he could recount that story
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of that first screening like it was yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
To talk to us about Jason, what is.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
What made him decide to do this and what was
it that he saw in in the movie industry that
he was like, you know what, horror movies a kind
of boutique, a boutique horror movies studio, Because I think
one thing that you you spend any time looking at movies,
one thing becomes clear and it's alf budget's go up,
Budgets go down, they mostly go up, but.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
One through line is cheap horror movies.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
They never go out of style. The styles may change,
but a low budget horror movie has has a there's
an audience there somewhere for it. But what made Jason
Bloom decide that, Okay, that's where we're going, that's what
I'm gonna do.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Well. He tells a really great story in the first
chapter about Paranormal Activity, and he recounts how he had
a chance to get involved with Blair witche project and
it didn't happen, and he regretted this for years, and
Paranormal Activity comes along. He gets a DVD copy and
(34:58):
screener you know, back then it was all DVDs, and
he said, I have my second chance. Essentially, I can
make up for what I where I failed with with
Blair Witch not getting involved in that movie and that
huge success, and fix it with this. And I think
(35:19):
if Paranormal didn't become a huge hit, who knows what
his career would be like. It was really the rocket
ship that took him to the next level, allowed him
to create Blumhouse as a company. He was never just
a horror producer, right Like, that was not what his
initial foray into into Hollywood was. And there are a
(35:41):
lot of movies produced by Jason Blum that we don't
talk about in this book, right, like Whiplash, Ye, Black Clansmen,
movies that are huge movies that were very successful and
in Oscar worthy movies, but they weren't horror movies. Right.
I think the reason why horror became his thing is
(36:02):
because people wanted to see those movies. It's a profitable industry.
You said it, Jason. You know, budgets go out, budgets
go down, but horror is forever. The audience is incredibly loyal,
The audience wants to sample it, and it's a thing
that you can make very cheaply. You can scare people
with the with the kind of suggestion of a scary thing.
(36:29):
Jaws is the number one proof of concept for this.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
If you're a filmmaker and something doesn't work, that's okay.
If a shark doesn't work, just only show the shark
one time and just use the music or use the
idea of it, the thought of it. You can not
show things and still scare people and still take them
on a ride. You can't do a superhero movie for
no money, you can't do a space epic for no money,
(36:54):
But you can do a horror movie for a million
dollars and it'll still be pretty good if you have talent.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, okay, So after you know, this is about the
first fifteen years of Blumhouse is New Horror. Do you
have any kind of theories or insight into what do
you feel like the next fifteen years looks like after
writing this book, after everything you've learned.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That's a great question. I think the next fifteen years
of horror will be about getting back to basics. I
think a lot of the quote unquote elevated horror that
we've seen has diluted the marketplaces. There's too many horror movies.
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And that's not to say that people shouldn't go out
and make horror movies. It's just that there needs to
be a next step. And we've seen the kind of
elevated horror movies the art horror enough, Let's have something
very maximalist, in brutal and scary and focused on the
(38:04):
the like traditional elements of horror. It's it's it's it's
been enough to have a movie that's you know, a
lot of dread and then one scare, like we need
to have a return to the great Slashers, the great
You know, I love Dario Argento and our Gento is
a maximalist at heart. You know, he made movies that
(38:25):
were bloody, that were sexy, that were strange, that had
weird music, that were colorful.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, colorful.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah. I think that's the next step in horror, is
is beautiful imagery and beautiful people and excitement and fun. Like,
we live in a very drab world, and a drab
world in the sense that you know, you you, everything
is very minimalist and tasteful and beige and boring to
(38:57):
look at. And I'm tired of that in movies. You know.
I think one of the things I give, I give
Megan a lot of credit for, is how colorful that
movie was, and how bright and and strange it was.
Five Nights at Freddy's. You know, I think that those
movies are are trying to tell stories in a very
esthetically different way, and I'm ready for that. Whatever you
(39:20):
think about you know, Jordan Peele and I love Jordan Peel,
And Jordan is in this book and speaks very candidly
about Get Out. He makes visually engaging movies. I love Nope.
I thought, Nope, that's my favorite, his best movie by far,
and it's a it's a thrill ride. It's not just
you know, the trauma stuff. The trauma stuff is there
(39:43):
all that in the psychological stuff, the commentary on race
and society and art. It's all there, but it's done
in a way that is so exciting.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Well, David, thank you so much. Horror's New Wave in
bookstore soon shortly.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, go look for it September thirty.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
September thirtieth, go look for it for you audio. And
it's really fun. I was we were saying before we
turned on the mics, like, as soon as I watch
one of these movies again, I'm gonna reach for this book.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
So thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You're very welcome. It's like a director's commentary on a
DVD that you can pick up anytime you want.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Where can people find you?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Dave? I am at Dave underscore shilling on I gues X,
I'm atill on Instagram and uh yeah, that's all that matters.
What really matters is the book.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
On the next week's episodes of X ray Vision, we're
diving into Peacemaker two oh six and looking ahead at
a Winter TV preview. That's it for this episode. Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Whoo bye.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsi.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
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Speaker 4 (40:59):
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Speaker 3 (41:01):
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Aaron.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I can't wait. I can't wait to watch you playing
OD on stream before the X ray
On today's episode of News, we're talking about news and
a huge week of trailers that have appeared, plus an
interview with Dave Shilling, the author of the new book
about Blumhouse. Hello, and I'm just gets up to you
(00:30):
and I'm risday Night, and welcome back to x revision
of the podcast where we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics,
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we're bringing you three episodes a week, plus News and
It's News.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's news, Today's news.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In today's News, we are catching up on the biggest
geek news of the week, including Oh my Gosh, Grogu, Alphaba,
and the Novi.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's we got a massive trailer round up.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And I keep forgetting the new Avatar movies coming out
at the end of this year, but that's.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Happening, so they're going to be making some billions.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Insomniac has revealed the first trailer for that highly anticipated
Wolverine video game, and I was not expecting it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
To be the game they are teasing, but I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And as Jason hinted in the spoilers, we are gonna
have an interview with Dave Shilling fantastic journalist, critic and
author of Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumbhouse.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Let's get into it, okay, first trailer of the weeks,
the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer dropped and no big surprises.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Other Mandalorian looks like what.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It looks like a season of the Mandalorian like from
which some people have.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Decried on the internet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
A lot of the as we've been talking about in
our group chat, A lot of the amateur, semi professional
and professional cinematographers slash videographers.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, they got along the line or like.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I would have color graded this different. I would add it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To guess what you're not Dave Philoni bro like that.
My guy, he's gonna do it. You know what? Looks cute.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm glad it looks cute. I'm glad they understand what
we need, which is the baby. I also found this
to be very funny because they definitely tried to release
this during all the Kimmel stuff so people would stop
talking about Kimmel and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So I love when that happens. Yeah, looks cute. I'm
glad to see that. We get Babo Frick.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know, it's not Babo Frick, but it's Babo Frick
type and a Babu Frick and baby moments. That was
really funny. I think I like to see all the
puppetry and the practical effects looks fun.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It will be interesting to see if it lands.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Because it was this is I'm not I'm gonna say
this in a neutral way, but I.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Know people will not take it neutrally. The trailer was
kind of given solow. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It was.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It was like it was like a little fun kind
of outside adventure.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But I don't know if it's gonna have the impact
they're necessarily expecting.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But you know what, I love that Baby.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I mean, I will say baby, that Sigourney.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We were being like the big wow moment. Kind of
of the trailer is mixed. I'm not saying I was
underwhelmed by the trailer, but it was exactly the kind
of trailer I guess that you would imagine in your mind.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I would say that's the case, like it comes out
May twenty second, twenty twenty six, so that means it
will be going up against the highly anticipated on this
podcast more or Combat too, but also that we have
a little bit of time, and it means that Disney
sees this as their big blockbuster for the summer to
launch the season.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think it needs to give us.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Something that the TV show didn't, and from this trailer,
I can't see what that is other than Sigourney Weaver.
But like you said, Jason, Sigourney Weaver, she was in uh,
you know, the Defenders, like we've oh well, come on,
I loved Galaxy, but we've had her in this Disney
space before.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So this isn't necessarily that big feeling that you want
if you could. I want to see them show us.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Why it needed to be a movie, you know, like
I want to see this scope.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's what I was wanting. Like I wanted to give
me a grogu leveled up. Oh my god, Neo at
the end of the Matrix movie.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Give me a Yoda in Revenge of the Sith, he's
doing like some crazy flips, you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Know, give me a oh wow, Mando really has some
new tricks up his sleeve moment. And so it just
kind of felt like more of the same. And I'm
not saying I was disappointed, and I do love listen
I love the baby.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We love that baby.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I love that fifty year old baby.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I love that fifty year old baby. But we need
to know, yes, what, why and what I mean? This
is going to be like our first Star Wars movie.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
None of the also like.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
That thing what I'm there was no like set piece
that you're like, holy shit, it looks like it's a
season of the volume exactly last see that baby practically
running away from an explosion or something.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know, I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Up next Avatar, the Next Airbender, fire and ass motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I mean, listen if you love Avatar. Looks like it's
this is so weet.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We're seeing the Fire Navvy now our characters who we
met from the previous movie, some of them have have
migrated to the land of the Fire Navvy, and clearly
like the ongoing genocide and ecological destruction of this planet
is ongoing, and the Fire Navvy are bringing some actually
(05:45):
like kind of spectacular new uh new weapons and approaches
to the scene.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But it's atinitely more aggressive towards the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Much human colinia. I get it. I get it, and
I like it. As everyone knows. I'm not these James
Cameron Avatar movies.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Are not necessarily for me, But I do think it's
hilarious that he just committed to the elemental bit and.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Now, yeah, it's a little shameless.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It is absolutely shameless because I guys, I gotta say,
Avatar the Last Airbender was made before the first Avatar
movie and was made to add The Last Airbender because
James Cameron was copyrighting the notion of Avatar as a
solo title.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And it is.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Actually like when the last movie came out and it
was about a water tribe, everyone was kind of like,
oh funny, But now this one's come out.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, it's pretty shameless. We get it. Love Avatar the
Lost Airbender.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
My god, well, I think listen, I think it's it's
James Cameron.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So I'm I'm I give him the benefit of the
doubt that he came up with this idea independently.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, yeah, there's an elemental stories, yes exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's not exactly right.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Misting a company, a competitor who are coming out before
you to keep the name.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's shady, Hollywood, babe. I agree, you're James Cameron. You
get to do that. That's where you are. Yeah, it
is a big thing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Here is like, well, what if the humans could come
to the planet and they could breathe without mask And
the answer to that is, well, then the Navi people
would be gone.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's kind of I guess the big conflict we're going.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
To be in going into fire and ash Jesson, I
ask your question. When The Way of the Water came out,
people loved it. It felt like it was a kind
of huge moment for them. But I did feel like
part of the reason that was and why it had
such a huge success rate was because we hadn't had
an Avatar movie for fifteen years or something. Right, do
(07:43):
you think this still makes a billion dollars when we
had one last year or two years?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Here's my concern.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
First of all, I want to say that there's never
been a better time for a genocide metaphor in movies.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, we need that, right, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
But I'm on the YouTube page now.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Avatar Fire Nash new trailer one day ago came out
six million, six point three million views. That's low.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's low when you can have one hundred and forty
million and twenty four hours on a big trailer.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, so I'm a little I do think that we're
gonna go I'm gonna take the under on Avatar fire
Nash because six million, six point three million and twenty
four hours for this movie.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Which is meant to take two billion dollars. Yeah, that
low seems slightly low.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yes, I'm interested. It's out on December nineteenth, so you
know we'll be covering it. And yeah, I'm sure I
want to see what crazy three D shenanigans James Cameron
is getting up to this time.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Aaron did point out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That Mando and Grogu does have a lot more views,
but over four days, Wicked two, which we're about to
talk about, is much lower.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
But this is what too. It's not Avatar.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Yes,
so yeah, it's gonna be you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Will you know. So here is let's talk about the
Wicked trailer new Wicked.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
For Good.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Exactly. Jason's ready, he knows, He's like he knows a musical. Yeah,
Wicked for Good. I can't wait for this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I thought the first Wicked movie was gonna suck, but
I loved it so much and I'm like a Wicked Superstan.
And last night I was watching the Wizard of Oz
and it's so fucking funny to watch the original Wizard
of Oz considering what the canon of Wicked is.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So we're gonna get a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Of obviously big song then dance numbers here in this
second season that the name for Good is named after
the most famous song from Wicked, aside from Defying Gravity,
which is the final song that Alphabet and Glinda.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Sing to each other about how they've changed each other
for good. So, but they're really teasing that here. That's
the song that you mostly hear over the trailer. We
get some huge moments.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You get a tease of how they're going to reimagine
the Nessa Rose of it all. The actress who is
playing ness A Rose is the first disabled actress to
ever play her. She's never been played by a disabled
actress on stage. So you can see here that they're
reimagining the very controversial scene where she uses magic to
learn how to walk. Instead, they have her here using
(10:28):
it to learn how to fly. We get hints of
the big transformations. I had never seen Wicked before I
went with my sister to see it at the theater
a couple of years ago. I did not understand that
the second act of Wicked is essentially like MCU origin
stories for the characters of the Wizard of Us, so
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there's some teasers there of characters that you're going to
see transform.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think something really funny about this that me and
Joel were talking about on the episode to do with
the incredible that we're gonna have next week the cap
Pop Demon Hunters Music Interview episode, But something that we
were talking about is kind of I think that for
a long time, well the last year, which has felt
like a very long time, the assumption would be that
Wicked would win the OSCAR next year for Best Original Song,
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and they were gonna put two new original songs in
one for Alphaba, one for Glinda, and they have announced
that those will be in there, but thanks to K
Pop Demon Hunters, I don't think either of those songs
are gonna make it. Then, I think Golden is undoubtedly
going to be the best original song of the year.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Though I would love to be proven wrong, I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Do think the first Wicked movie is so much better
than it has any right to be.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
John M. Chew is in his musical theater bag, his.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Classic Hollywood bag, and yeah, and I can't wait to
see this movie comes out November twenty first, and I
think it's gonna be a lot of fun. I think
we're gonna have a great time. And you know, there's
never been a better time for an unhinged press tour,
like we all need an unhinged press to come on, Ariana,
come on, Cynthia, let's do it. I need to know
(12:03):
up next.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
We're gonna be talking about video game trailers after this,
and we're back first in our video game trailer releases
(12:28):
this week is a absolutely terrifying new trailer from the
legend Kojima, very reminiscent of Pet and the project is
called Knock. It's merely a teaser trailer, and I very spooky.
The sound design is amazing, the look is amazing. You're
you're watching this character kind of light all these candles
(12:50):
on a spooky altar in front of a window in
this spooky house. And I'm so delighted to say that
super producer Aaron has committed to playing the game live
on stream.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
He will play it. He said, I can't wait to.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do it, and he said, I'm not scared at all.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm stream And he said, if I.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Don't do it, forget it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You can forget about me because I promised you I
will dete and it definitely Yeah Kajima.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And Jordan Peel, so he's got nothing to be scared of.
He looks great. Love Jason Rosie.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
If Kojima releases a game called Knock, I will consider
playing it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But this game is called O D. It's not called knock.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Oh sorry, So Aaron is gonna play O D. He's
gonna he's gonna run stream in a dark room with.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Headphones on live on whatever streaming playform were you.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He's gonna do it. Anna, Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
This is got a crazy cost too, as Kajima always does.
Sophia Lillis from it, and Nancy Drew love her.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
She's great.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Also, hunt A Shafa and Udo Kia such a great
Hideo crazy horror pool. They are advertising this too as
a new kind of media, so I'm interested to know
what that mean.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That means yeah, and also tell you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What I say, release Windows. So here's what I think.
Is it ever coming out?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder if this new kind of media means that
one it's gonna be there's gonna be like an episodic story,
like it's not just gonna be the game, but there's
gonna be like things.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh, Hideo Kajima does Telltale or something of.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That kind of thing, like either an episodic thing or
a branching story where it's different.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So that's my guess.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And listen, Kojima always the weirdest, most ambitious, super creative guy. Yeah,
I'm very excited to see what this is. Oh my god,
up next.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Guys, are you ready?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
We've been waiting for clips of the crazy video game
that has been that was announced four years ago or
something time ago, and we're getting now from state of
play we have. They've released a trailer showing some gameplay
and folks, my immediate reaction was, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
My god, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
It is the most it is the most lore accurate
wolver Read ever ever put to any media.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This man has metal clause and he kills people. What
do you think that would look like?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
It is?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
When I was watching it, I was like, it basically
looks like a mixture between Arkham Asylum and All Red
Dead Redemption, you know, whichever kind of walking around God
of War kind of movie that you like, a game
you like to do.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Mixed with mortal combat, which for Me is like a
dream game. So you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
A different level of gore than we've seen even in
Like I mean, I remember that old Deadpool game, which
was pretty controversial at the time.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No, this is a whole game level.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, this man is like slow mo spiking his claws
through people's skulls, and gore is gushing and blood and it.
And it looks like they've got like the interactive destructive environments,
which I love because also again another thing, Warner Brothers
have been doing great with the gaming with nether Realm
(16:25):
ever since Injustice, this kind of interactive backgrounds, and they've
bring in that now obviously to a real kind of
walk around game. Yeah, this looks scary, It looks bloody.
I was not expecting this. This is definitely not a
kid's game. Not that not that you know they were
ever gonna market specifically towards kids. It was always going
(16:45):
to be a team plus or m a game. But
think about Spider Man. That's one of the biggest games
of all time, and that game is predominantly played by children.
Even though you beat people up, you're definitely giving people
traumatic brain injury by throwing you know, manhole covers at them.
But this is like Wolverine's violence next level, and it's
next level.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I don't know if I've ever seen a game.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There's skulls getting cut in half, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Like yes, level of blood and people's legs being pulled off.
Also really fun character reveals in this trailer and Maha.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Red did not see that coming.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Miss Stique, who my gut says, from the way we
see her transform looks kind of like a cut scene.
I'm hoping she's a playable character, kind of alah Arkham
Asylum where sometimes you'll have to do different quests as
different people.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Same with Spider Man where sometimes you'll marry Jane.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, the Reavers, which you know, we kind of get
a look at him killing a couple of Rivers here.
They have this very interesting markings on their body, like
very cyborg vibes and a sentinel, which I mean, can
you think of a better boss for a Wolverine game
like this?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We have Leah McIntyre playing Logan, another Aussie Wolf. People
were very excited about this casting online. I think people
feel like it's a It sounds like how they want
Wolverine to sound, and as he says in the show.
You know he's not a hero, He's Wolverine. We have
Canada confirmed, makes sense, that's where he's from. Japan and
(18:16):
Madripoor all major Wolverine places. We see the Princess bar
in this. This is going to be so full of
Easter eggs. Yeah, I mean, I cannot wait, Like if
if I don't have one by then this will be
the game I play.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I buy on a next a next gen console for.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Like, I will be buying this or a PS Vibe
to play like I need it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
This is unmissible.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know what I've been thinking too, With the rise
of K pop and the ever increasing mainstreamization of Japanese
pop culture, I would love a Logan and Jubilee about anime.
(19:00):
Thank you, Jason, keep that in your pocket, Okay, I
tell you he's such a good he's such a good
dad character.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That would just be fun. Marico, I do.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think it is one of the biggest things that
they need to reckon with when they put Logan into
the MCU, is his connection to Japan and how it
has been represented, and if there is a more inventive,
interesting way to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
There's kind of never like in a weird way the
culture has come to meet this moment. Like listen, Wolverine's
fascination with Japan has is obviously a long running part
of his personality, but it's a little bit depicted in
a pretty weird way.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, corny, definitely corny.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
There's really a cool opportunity now to do it in
interesting ways.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
This guy spend a lot of time in Japan.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yep, what does that mean over there?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
How does like what does he know? Like what what
Japanese culture things does he know about?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Other than like this busheto and this Yes, like a Samuratha.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's like we get it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
You've seen in a Kirikas hour movie logan, Like, let's
find out.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Also potential with you know, having his son Dacon, you know,
having a Japanese Canadian character. I was always I was
always a big fan of maybe you know what if
you made a Japanese Canadian actor logan, what does that
look like? I think there's so many different ways to
do it. Also, super Producer Ian is in Tokyo right now,
(20:42):
and super Produced of comment is suggesting that this could
be a great reason for us to do an X
ray vision trip to Tokyo. So I would love that
I'm in Let's Disney.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Or whoever made this game, INSOMNIAX once or us.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We'll come and play your game in Japan. But yeah, Jason,
I think you're right. I think the time is right.
The time is nigh. Also, isn't it exciting to have
something X Men again that is just so invigorating and different?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Like when we go X Men ninety seven?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I feel like Marvel needs to be leaning in to
the stories where it can take more creative liberties. And
clearly with this game and with Wolverine, they realized they
could do something different and that's what we want to
see on screen as well.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Super excited for that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Coming up next or interview with Dave Shilling, author of
Horror's New Wave fifteen years of Blumhouse.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right back after this.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Delighted to welcome to the podcast. My old comrade, my
former co worker, my current group chat companion, Dave Shilling,
the writer of Horror's New Wave, The Chronicle of the
Rise and success of Blumhouse.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
David, how are you?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I'm good. There's nothing better than writing a book that's
the rise and further rise versus like, oh, it's a
you know, keep rising. Yeah, it's just a rocket ship
to the moon. It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, fifteen years of Blumhouse, it's pretty well. Dave, how
did you end up writing Horror's new wave?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
That's a wonderful question. And I am going to out
a very good friend of mine who is part of
this story. So this book was originally offered to my
very good friend, Hallie Keefer, who is the head writer
of Love It or Leave It at Crooked, also the
horror podcast called Ruined, and she's like, I don't have time.
You should have my friend Dave do it. And I'm like,
(23:06):
I love this very good friend ex fiance, still my
best friend. And she, you know, she gives me her
crumbs sometimes, but they're delicious crumbs. So I was very
crumb Yeah, I was very blessed.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I accept crumbs.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
While working on this what What? And we were talking
before we went on Mike about how cool.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
The format is.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's almost like a textbook where it gives you like
important statistical breakdowns of each film, how many kills, how
many jump scares, et cetera. What's what's your kind of
like top headline? Takeaways after working on this book.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Well, I mean, I think besides the format of it,
which I think was really a wonderful synergy between what
I thought we should do and my editor and the
studio and all of that stuff, you know, having each
chapter be one movie, in the oral hittory part of
it all, in the graphics and the kill count, which
(24:03):
I think is probably one of the most fun parts
of the book. You get to see how many people died,
how they died in each movie. I think the really
important thing, and this is great if you are an
aspiring filmmaker, and I'm sure a lot of people listening
to this podcast are, is it teaches you the importance
of not having a lot of resources when you make
a film. Those early Blumhouse movies cost between one and
(24:26):
three million dollars. You think about Sinister, Insidious, The Purge.
These are huge movies that cost very little money. But
it guaranteed one creative freedom for the filmmaker and two
the ability to continue making movies. Right Like, that's the
thing that producers need to do more than anything is
turn a profit of some kind. And so if you
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can guarantee that your film is going to come under
budget or around budget, and it's a low budget, and
that there's a market for that kind of cinema. You
can perpetuate a career and industry, and I think that's
what Jason Blum has been able to do his whole
career is perpetuate cinema that is affordable but also engaging.
(25:12):
And this is I think, in a lot of ways,
a textbook for the audience, for the reader, for the
would be filmmaker to learn how to make a film,
learn how to navigate the industry, and learn what's most
important about filmmaking, which is creativity. It's not about resources,
it's not about money, it's about being clever.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They what was your horror origin? Like, when did you
first fall in love with horror?
Speaker 6 (25:40):
That's a great question. Well, the world itself is quite scary,
and so I think horror is always going to be
a big part of my life because it's a way
to exercise some of the demons, so to speak. You know,
Pun intended that plague everybody, you know. I think everyone
can enjoy horror if they see it not as is
(26:00):
just a means to scare you, but a means to
deal with other trauma and This is the hot word,
right This is the word that Jamie Lee Curtis used
to me a lot in our interview about Halloween is
trauma is, you know, the motivating factor for a lot
of films right now. But I think my first horror
movie that I really loved. This is a tough one
(26:23):
because I love so many, but I would probably have
to say it was Nightmare on Elm Street, the original Nightmare. Okay, yeah,
because it combined the surreal kind of qualities that I
grew to love in more mature quote unquote cinema and
the pure thrill of the slasher, and also just the
(26:43):
humor of Freddy Krueger as a concepts as a character.
Robert England gives one of the great performances in that movie,
and then you know, kind of he becomes more of
like a Jim Carrey style comedian later on. It becomes
sillier and sillier. But that's just the nature of a
horror sequel. And you see that in pretty much every
(27:06):
major horror franchise is they get bigger, and they get broader,
and they get more ridiculous as they go on. But
the core element of that that story that your dreams
are going to kill you. I mean, who doesn't relate
to that. You wake up in a cold sweat so
often from a dream, And what if those were made real,
made manifest.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
With that in mind, what would you say is the
kind of rush more of Blumhouse harmonies, the ones that
really defined what Blumhouse is attempting to do, and I
think and defines the studio for the fans.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Boy, that is hard because I think your mind initially
goes to the most recent properties, the bigger things that
have just come out. Right, Megan is now front and
center in so many Blumhouse things. Right, you go to
Hollywood Horror Knights at Universal Studios and there's a whole
Blumhouse experience, and they have Blumhouse merchandise, and the first
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character you see is Megan, and Meghan was a huge hit,
and rightfully so. But I think if you really want
to encapsulate what Blumhouse is was and will be, it's
gotta be sinister. It's this small movie directed by Scott
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Derrickson that he did after The Dai Leader Stood Still, Right,
that was his big studio movie. He's going to do
this sci fi remake starring Keanu reeves. It's going to
be a huge success. Right. Everybody's looking at that movie
and saying, this is it. You're going to be a
big director, You're going to be the next Spielberg or whatever.
(28:51):
And it was a big failure. You know, he talked
to me about it being a failure multiple times when
we talked, like a failure, not in the sense that he,
you know, felt untalented. Maybe he did in the moment,
but a failure in this incident didn't make money. It
wasn't creatively fulfilling for him. And so you get put
(29:12):
on a list. Everybody knows this in Hollywood. If you
if you have a bomb, you get put on a list.
And people are like, I don't know if this guy
or this this woman can do it. Maybe they don't
have the juice to make a hit movie. And what
happened is Scott and his co writers see Robert Cargill
come up with this idea. They take it to Blumhouse.
(29:33):
And Blum is a good judge of talent. I think
that's his number one greatest skill. It's his ability to
see the talent in people. And he said, I'll give
you you three million dollars or whatever, it is. The budget.
How much it costs is in the book, So if
I'm saying it wrong, check the book and then you'll know. Yeah,
(29:54):
so it's around three million dollars or so. If you
can make it for that, you do whatever you want.
You can have, you can have, you know, creative liberty
to do as you please. Just make it for three
million dollars. I believe in you, and those words I
believe in you. They're so rare in every creative endeavor,
but especially in film. It takes a long time for
(30:15):
you to be able to get people to say that
to you, because they're looking to doubt you immediately, and
they're looking to discard you, discount you, assume that you
don't know what you're doing. I've faced it a million
times in my career, and I will face it a
million more times until at some point someone says, I
believe in you, and I think Sinister besides being a
(30:36):
very early Blumhouse along with Insidious, and they get mixed
up all the time. People mix mix up those titles.
And I talked to Leewan l about this and James
Wan about how Insidious and Sinister are kind of like
weirdly connected in history, but also in those in the
sense that they're one word titles that kind of don't
necessarily mean anything, but they they do mean something, right,
(30:59):
they're scary words. Those two movies were an opportunity for
two very talented filmmakers who had had, you know, failures,
box office failures, to reclaim their talent, reclaimed their their
space in the industry. And so I think Sinister especially,
but Sinator and Insidious are so important to the history
(31:20):
of Blumhouse. And I think if I had to pick
a third, it would be The Purge. All three of
those really define the esthetic, defined the mentality, and define
the mission statement of the company.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And you talked about speaking to leew and Al and
James Wan there is like a murderer's row of talent
in this book. You also interviewed m Night Shyamalan, you
interviewed Ethan Hawk, Jamie Lee Cutis. Was there anything that
really stood out when you were speaking to them, kind
of like a through line that you felt through all
these different people who have worked on these movies.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Gratitude, if that's if that's a fair thing to say,
I will say it. I think they're very grateful that
they had their careers turn out the way that they did.
And part of that success, part of that ability to
overcome all of the obstacles of show business was meeting
Jason Blum and his belief again in them. Right, belief
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is the currency of the realm. If you don't have
people who believe in you, if they doubt you, they're
not going to give you money, they're going to give
you resources, they're not going to give you time an opportunity.
And so when you're a creative person and someone comes
along and says, I trust you, do whatever you want
for the most part, right Like, there's obviously there are
stories of test screenings where there are differences of opinion.
(32:40):
There are stories of you know, the hard work that
goes into developing a film or a franchise. And Cooper Samuelson,
who is one of the creative executives at Blumhouse, is
a huge part of a lot of these movies success.
And you can't discount that. It's a collaborative meeting filmmaking.
(33:01):
It's not a full a tourist medium. It's it's everybody
working together. But I think everyone would would would come
along and say, you know, I'm very grateful for this
opportunity that I got to have this moment, and Lee
wan Al tells a really great story about the reviews
coming in for Insidious and the grosses and kind of
(33:22):
how it felt bigger to do that than even Saw
and Saw it was a huge hit, and I'll remember
how huge and impactful Saw was, But there was something
about Insidious and the ownership that they had and the
crawling back from the sort of cinematic abyss that was
really meaningful to him. And he could recount that story
(33:45):
of that first screening like it was yesterday.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
To talk to us about Jason, what is.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
What made him decide to do this and what was
it that he saw in in the movie industry that
he was like, you know what, horror movies a kind
of boutique, a boutique horror movies studio, Because I think
one thing that you you spend any time looking at movies,
one thing becomes clear and it's alf budget's go up,
Budgets go down, they mostly go up, but.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
One through line is cheap horror movies.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
They never go out of style. The styles may change,
but a low budget horror movie has has a there's
an audience there somewhere for it. But what made Jason
Bloom decide that, Okay, that's where we're going, that's what
I'm gonna do.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Well. He tells a really great story in the first
chapter about Paranormal Activity, and he recounts how he had
a chance to get involved with Blair witche project and
it didn't happen, and he regretted this for years, and
Paranormal Activity comes along. He gets a DVD copy and
(34:58):
screener you know, back then it was all DVDs, and
he said, I have my second chance. Essentially, I can
make up for what I where I failed with with
Blair Witch not getting involved in that movie and that
huge success, and fix it with this. And I think
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if Paranormal didn't become a huge hit, who knows what
his career would be like. It was really the rocket
ship that took him to the next level, allowed him
to create Blumhouse as a company. He was never just
a horror producer, right Like, that was not what his
initial foray into into Hollywood was. And there are a
(35:41):
lot of movies produced by Jason Blum that we don't
talk about in this book, right, like Whiplash, Ye, Black Clansmen,
movies that are huge movies that were very successful and
in Oscar worthy movies, but they weren't horror movies. Right.
I think the reason why horror became his thing is
(36:02):
because people wanted to see those movies. It's a profitable industry.
You said it, Jason. You know, budgets go out, budgets
go down, but horror is forever. The audience is incredibly loyal,
The audience wants to sample it, and it's a thing
that you can make very cheaply. You can scare people
with the with the kind of suggestion of a scary thing.
(36:29):
Jaws is the number one proof of concept for this.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
If you're a filmmaker and something doesn't work, that's okay.
If a shark doesn't work, just only show the shark
one time and just use the music or use the
idea of it, the thought of it. You can not
show things and still scare people and still take them
on a ride. You can't do a superhero movie for
no money, you can't do a space epic for no money,
(36:54):
But you can do a horror movie for a million
dollars and it'll still be pretty good if you have talent.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, okay, So after you know, this is about the
first fifteen years of Blumhouse is New Horror. Do you
have any kind of theories or insight into what do
you feel like the next fifteen years looks like after
writing this book, after everything you've learned.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That's a great question. I think the next fifteen years
of horror will be about getting back to basics. I
think a lot of the quote unquote elevated horror that
we've seen has diluted the marketplaces. There's too many horror movies.
(37:41):
And that's not to say that people shouldn't go out
and make horror movies. It's just that there needs to
be a next step. And we've seen the kind of
elevated horror movies the art horror enough, Let's have something
very maximalist, in brutal and scary and focused on the
(38:04):
the like traditional elements of horror. It's it's it's it's
been enough to have a movie that's you know, a
lot of dread and then one scare, like we need
to have a return to the great Slashers, the great
You know, I love Dario Argento and our Gento is
a maximalist at heart. You know, he made movies that
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were bloody, that were sexy, that were strange, that had
weird music, that were colorful.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, colorful.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah. I think that's the next step in horror, is
is beautiful imagery and beautiful people and excitement and fun. Like,
we live in a very drab world, and a drab
world in the sense that you know, you you, everything
is very minimalist and tasteful and beige and boring to
(38:57):
look at. And I'm tired of that in movies. You know.
I think one of the things I give, I give
Megan a lot of credit for, is how colorful that
movie was, and how bright and and strange it was.
Five Nights at Freddy's. You know, I think that those
movies are are trying to tell stories in a very
esthetically different way, and I'm ready for that. Whatever you
(39:20):
think about you know, Jordan Peele and I love Jordan Peel,
And Jordan is in this book and speaks very candidly
about Get Out. He makes visually engaging movies. I love Nope.
I thought, Nope, that's my favorite, his best movie by far,
and it's a it's a thrill ride. It's not just
you know, the trauma stuff. The trauma stuff is there
(39:43):
all that in the psychological stuff, the commentary on race
and society and art. It's all there, but it's done
in a way that is so exciting.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Well, David, thank you so much. Horror's New Wave in
bookstore soon shortly.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, go look for it September thirty.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
September thirtieth, go look for it for you audio. And
it's really fun. I was we were saying before we
turned on the mics, like, as soon as I watch
one of these movies again, I'm gonna reach for this book.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
So thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You're very welcome. It's like a director's commentary on a
DVD that you can pick up anytime you want.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Where can people find you?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Dave? I am at Dave underscore shilling on I gues X,
I'm atill on Instagram and uh yeah, that's all that matters.
What really matters is the book.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
On the next week's episodes of X ray Vision, we're
diving into Peacemaker two oh six and looking ahead at
a Winter TV preview. That's it for this episode. Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Whoo bye.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsi.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Our executive producers a Joe Alminique and Aaron Kleman.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Our supervising produce her as Abu Safar.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And Heidi Our discored moderator.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I can't wait. I can't wait to watch you playing
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