Jason and Rosie are talking about the return of the Predator franchise and possible crossover with Alien, Ryan Coogler owns Sinners in 25 years, Pedro Pascal calls it like he sees it: “Heinous loser behaviour” from the wicked witch of the UK and George RR Martin reminds us that he’s still working on his book “Winds of Winter”, despite it being his “life’s curse”.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode, it's news.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We're talking Predator comebacks, We're talking Ryan Coogler, Sinners, We're
talking about a comic adaptation of Begelopolis, hell Out and more. Hello,
(00:30):
what it was? Jason CANTEMSI own Mercy Night, and welcome
back to xt ver vision of the podcast When We
Dive Deep is your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,
comedy from my our podcast We're Wearing You, three episodes
a week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus every.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Vision of the news. The news here, the news and
the news. The news.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We tease them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
If we teasted them, we teased them.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, here's the news. First up, new trailer for folks.
You thought the ip was going incorrect ray you were
wondering what's gonna happen with the Predator series.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We'll get The Preder series is here and it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Is intersecting with its alien centric U Tani lore in
more and more interesting ways. The trailer for Predator Badlands
is out there now, starring El Fanning. Is some sort
of whaland Utani terminator. This looks very exciting.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yes, I'm very excited about this.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
In case you don't know the general plot it's basically
a predator is sent out for his first hunt and
he ends up being on a planet where he is
actually the one who is hunted, and it's all these
different aliens and creatures and people who come to hunt
on the island. It looks like maybe he's gonna team
up with el Fanning, who as Me and Carmen we're
very excited to see has the whalen U Tani logo
(01:54):
in Aha eyes, just like Andy from Alien Romulus. So
I think we're definitely getting connections back there to the
kind of AVP era predator versus Alien. Wouldn't be surprised
if I saw as animorph pop up in the final movie. Also,
very interestingly, because there has been talk for a long
time about how there was an unmade predator anime series
(02:16):
from about ten years ago. We still don't know what
the status of that is, but it has been talked about.
But I thought it's very interesting that they also announced
a predator killer of Killer's animated show. And this is
by the same guy who made Prey, who has now
basically been given the keys to the Predator ip and
it is about predators throughout history, like going up against
(02:39):
the most sickest fighters and you know what sounds like
a ten year old pitched it and I fucking want
to watch that. Shit? Do I want to watch him
fight like some Tudor guy jousting. Yeah, I don't know
if that's going to be in it, but I would
like to see that, you know. I think it's gonna
be really fun. Can't wait for this. We're obviously big
Alien fans here and Predator as well. Also, if you
are a Predator lover, definitely check out the Spider Man
(03:02):
predat ecomic that's coming out at the moment from Marvel.
It is brutal as hell. It's so gory. It's really
wild to see a Spider Man story like that. So yeah,
if you're a monst the lover, it's gonna be a
good summer for us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Up next, a Wonderful Earth Day teaser trailer for the
new project Alien Earth. This teaser trailer, voiced by Neil
de grasse Tyson, makes it seem as if you were
about to watch one of these wonderful kind of like
nature documentaries, but no, this is as becomes clear in
(03:36):
the final seconds of the teaser. A promo for an
upcoming show about an Alien Invasion of Earth, starring a
wonderful cast includes Alex Lothor, Timothy Olafan S Davis, Samuel Blinken, Babousis.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And more and more.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And this was a very hooky trailer that I'm excited
to to watch more.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, this is also like a Noah Hawley show. So
if you're a Legion guy, be excited. You know, I
think this is great. I don't think it's a coincidence
that we're getting new Predator and new Alien. I think
that crossover is probably gonna work. Also, I love that
at the end of the PSA it was like go
to IGN and I was like, I go there every day.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I work there. What do you want from me?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Like?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Do I need to?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And it was actually a very cool world guide for
ALIENA So definitely check that out.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Also, this is gonna be interesting because my understanding.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Is this is the earliest timeline that we're gonna have
seen in the whalen Utanni alien space.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It happens about you know it just.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
In the future and before the iconic Nostromo incident as
we will call it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So yeah, we're eating good.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I absolutely love his animorph My dream is to go
to the hi our Geygabar in Sweden or in Switzerland
if anyone wants to hook me up there.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
But yeah, very fun. Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Let's take a quick break and we'll be read.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Back and we're back. Sinners blowing up at the box
(05:19):
of Wow. Wow, Wow Wow. The film opened over the
weekend to a cool forty eight million massive critical acclaim.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I believe it's at ninety.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
It's actually they think it's hit one hundred million because
they had an unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Tuesday and Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, word of mouth is really blowing it up.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Word of mouth is real.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
And also this is very interesting because I've never seen
something like this work this way before. So they think
it made over eight million dollars on Tuesday, cheap movie Day,
which is crazy. And then they think it made another
on Wednesday, like eight or nine million, which again on
her of and that's full price tickets. But the reason
is Ryan Coogler and Warner Brothers came up with this
(06:06):
very interesting and clever scheme, which is they if you
went to see Sinners from the twenty third of April,
so this is to encourage you to go and see
it again. And this next weekend, they are giving away
film reel from the movie and people can collect it's
seventy milimeter film reel. So people are going absolutely wild,
(06:29):
and it's been so fun to see people online going,
oh my god, I have to see this in Imax.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I have to see this at the Vista. I have
to see it.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I recently I did yet see it in true imax,
because I'm a true Imax lover, but I recently went
see it at the Alamo draft House, relatively small screen
with a couple of friends, and it was just as incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I would just say, just keep going.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The big other.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
News here that me and Jason wanted to talk about
is it has come out in some very ridiculous kind
of trade news that tried to make it see like
a bad thing. That Ryan Cougler, specifically for this film,
which is very much about the notion of black ownership
and black freedom, he basically said to whoever was gonna
(07:10):
get it, like, not only did he want his dollar gross,
which he has been getting at from every dollar, not
waiting until the movie is done, but also he gets
to own it in twenty five years. In twenty five years,
the copyright will lapse and it will go back to him.
And interestingly, like the only other person who's done this
is Quentin Tarantino and that was also like for his
(07:32):
later stage movies.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So this is a huge moment.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Variety is trying to act like, oh, this is gonna
be bad for studios, but I loved the quote from
Michael de lucam Abdy, who work at Warner Brothers as
the execs, and they were basically like, if you think
this is.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
A bad idea, you're stupid.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like Ryan Kugler is a genius, and we love that
we gave him this deal.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We love we gave him this movie, and it seems
like it's paying off.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Also, ninety eight percent on Rotten Toma and an A
Cinema School, which is the first time any horror movie
has had an A Cinema score. So the word of
mouth and legs on this is going to be long, long, long.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So the reason that you know this is being looked
at with alarm in some industry circles is that you know,
the whole game in entertainment is to build a library,
yes exam to have whether it's your Paramounts, your Netflix,
your Apple TV plus whatever, create shows and movies that
(08:29):
will live on their platform that will be part of
the reason that people sign up, and that a deal
like this Coogler's Neil potentially, you know, throws a wrench
in that works. I'll just say that, like, I kind
of obviously there's the whole ethical and moral issue about
like creator owning the stuff that they own. But I
(08:53):
also feel like, what's again, so Tarantino has this, he's
not and Tarantino's not the first.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
There's been others, just rare.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's been a it's a small handful of people. But
I'm like, honestly confused why some are so like up
in arms and saying this could destroy the industry when
this has been done before.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It's because one, it's because Ryan Coogler is a black director.
That's like, let's be real. And also I think that
the other aspect of it is like there's never been
a more obsessed with IP time in cinema and in
the industry, and this idea of having a catalog and
needing a catalog so you can have a streaming service,
(09:34):
so you can sell your catalog in the future to
Amazon like MGM, did you know? But the funny thing
is as well, We're living in an era where sometimes
execs are just trash in a movie and not even
letting it be released.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So you're already.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Impacting your in your your catalog with choices like that.
So I think it's all kind of overblown. And I
think that now it's hit one hundred mil. The budget
was around ninety mil, and then you add your market,
it probably goes up to like one hundred and fifty mil,
as my guess, and it's already made one hundred mil
just domestically. I think it's gonna be fine. Also, I'm
(10:08):
very interested to see and we'll talk about this at
some point next week, because we keep it a lot
of eyes on, like how much does the weekly drop off?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Right?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And we know with Marvel recently we've been having these
huge sixty seven percent drop offs, Like the word of
mouth is not there. They think that this weekend Sinners
is gonna make forty million dollars and.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It opened to forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
If that is the case, it is gonna be one
of the lowest, if not the lowest weekend drops of
all time. So everything you're doing here, Warner Brothers, you're
killing it. Ryan Coogler, You're doing such a great job
of getting people back in the cinemas. I've been seeing
people complaining about sold out screenings all over the country
and how it's hard to get a ticket to see
it in that new format.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I just I think it's good for cinema.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I think it's gonna end up being seen as a
great deal, an important deal. And also Ryan Coogler said
he just wanted it for this movie. He said, he's
not gonna ask you that deal again, you know. And
Joelle had said she thinks Warner Brothers might be priming
him to be that kind of new Nolan.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now Nolan is.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
At University, I would love to see them keep investing
in him because it's kind of hard to put into
words how different and unique that movie really is.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, I mean, like, listen, here's he's got a billion
dollar movie under his belt, and now he's got Sinners,
which is continuing to rocket in terms of box office,
and let's face it, like this is dollars business and
he's bringing it in. So yes, I agree. I hope
they continue this and it makes sense for them. Up
(11:34):
next in Shocking.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Wilds Wild Shoes, Blowing my fucking bye.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Jacob Phillips, the son of Sean Phillips of hell Blazer
and Wildcats and Criminal, you know, like same and Criminal,
one of the you know, one of the lights of
a certain generation of UK comics creators.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, Indie and also like if you watch, like if
you read an image book, this is man that you
know and care about. He's done a great job actually,
like kind of honing Jacob. Jacob has colored some of
his comics. Then Jacob went into writing and somehow he
got this gig.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
His son, Jacob is finishing up work on a adaptation
of Francis Ford Coppola's Insane three Hour.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Disaster.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Magnum Magnum Doopah's megalois it, and it's almost done and
it will be released soon and it is He's just
announced it to the world.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And this is truly one of those things where I'm like.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Wait, what my mind. Also, this is like so funny
because it's so comicsy because he's.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
The guy who he's adapting it with, Chris Ryle is
like an old DW guy who was in charge of
a DW. So it just feels very like in in
the weeds, in kind of inside baseball.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I also won.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Jacob is like an unreal yet like everything he draws
is fucking amazing, And I love the idea that Jacob
said he never saw the movie, he never saw any footage,
and he's been working on this since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He only read scripts and reviewed concepts.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Are is this going to become like an eyes in
the winning fantastic graphic novel? Is this the format that
Megalopolis was always supposed to be in?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
This is just.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Blowing my mind and I will be reading that one
hundred and forty eight page graphic novels no question.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
In absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Up next, Paedro Pascal gives us more reason to love him.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Oh I love him.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
See he It was.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Photographed wearing a Protect Doll shirt at the premiere of
the Thunderbolts movie, and then was quoted as.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Asked for comment about JK.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Rowling's ongoing activism to strip trans women in the UK
of their rights and safety protections, to which Pedro Pascal
replied that JK is a heinous said it was cainus
loser behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I love that so much, Pedro, We love you. Also.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Carmen wrote a great little context here because I did
get a few different people saying, hey, what does that mean?
Protect the dolls? Like everyone's really excited about it. So
Carmen wrote, our super producer wrote a great little bit here,
which is it's important to note that the term doll
is used to describe high femme passing trans women originating
in the Borham community, who are the primary targets of
anti trans hate and violence. The statement intends to highlight
(14:27):
the most at risk and disenfranchised of the Lodge trans community.
And here's the thing, you all want to protect the
doll shirt now, I know I've had the dms. Well,
Carmen found out where they really are from, not the bootlegs,
not the tea publics, not the AI versions. If you
purchase it from the retailer connor Ibes, your purchase then
supports the trans Lifeline project. And you can obviously just
(14:47):
donate directly to charity, or how about you just send
some money to a doll in your life, because tough
times are tough. And I think Pedro is amazing, and
I love that he's just on Twitter like replying to
people that yeah, heinus fucking loose the behavior and that
shit is a headline, and he's proud of it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And finally, George R. Martin, after it's written here that
it's been thirteen years since his last book. I think
it's actually been fifteen. I want to I want to
change that. Whoever wrote you know what.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That's why he's he keeps saying thirteen, but he's playing
it down.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's been fifteen years by my count. Harvard Left released
a book in his Song of Ion Fire series. The
book titled The Dance of Dragons, released in twenty ten.
I want to say a summer of twenty ten, and
in a recent Time magazine interview, George said that he
(15:45):
is indeed quote still working on oh and then and
then continued that the book is quote that's the curse
of my life. Here, he continues, there's no doubt Winds
of Winter is thirteen. Again, it's fifteen years late. I'm
still working on it. I've apperiods where I make progress
(16:05):
and others and others when things divert my attention end quote.
The curse of my life is crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let me I should just say, George, hire writers room,
man bro you can do it together.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, it goes right on the edit and get get
Get three goal strikes.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, you can do it.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Bro also as well, I will say super producer Aboo
as always fact checking us. So Jason, you and you
and Georgia basically right in the middle. It was actually
published in July twenty eleven, so it's fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
He's playing it like it's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And all feeling your feeling us steal like suck get it,
comments like Andy Wall could have taught Hm a thing
or two.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Get writers from Guess Studio, pay those people a lot
of money and make this book come. Honestly, I love
this is the kind of catty, hilarious shit that I
love when creatives say. It's like, it's like you're a multimillionaire.
You've got mad franchises, you even got like Dark Wind.
You're producing one of the best TV shows right now,
even though Game of Thrones is not on your House
(17:04):
of the Dragon, and all of it is because of
your writing.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But now, when's the winter is the curse of his life?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And you know what, just.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Hire just hire some folks to hire people.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Hire some people.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But I love it because it's also very relatable because
that's how I feel any time I won the deadline
for a book.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm like, wait, why did I.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Accept this deadline for fourteen years?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He's been on deadline for fourteen years.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The one thing that always cracks me up, that we
always say is like, what's the only thing worse than
your project not getting picked up?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's your project getting picked up. And I think that
is That's what Georgia L. Martin is living through right now.
He's like, I just cannot going.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
To curse the curse of my life.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh my God, take it. Please smoke a joint, my guy.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
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On today's episode, it's news.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We're talking Predator comebacks, We're talking Ryan Coogler, Sinners, We're
talking about a comic adaptation of Begelopolis, hell Out and more. Hello,
(00:30):
what it was? Jason CANTEMSI own Mercy Night, and welcome
back to xt ver vision of the podcast When We
Dive Deep is your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,
comedy from my our podcast We're Wearing You, three episodes
a week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, plus every.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Vision of the news. The news here, the news and
the news. The news.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We tease them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
If we teasted them, we teased them.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, here's the news. First up, new trailer for folks.
You thought the ip was going incorrect ray you were
wondering what's gonna happen with the Predator series.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We'll get The Preder series is here and it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Is intersecting with its alien centric U Tani lore in
more and more interesting ways. The trailer for Predator Badlands
is out there now, starring El Fanning. Is some sort
of whaland Utani terminator. This looks very exciting.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yes, I'm very excited about this.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
In case you don't know the general plot it's basically
a predator is sent out for his first hunt and
he ends up being on a planet where he is
actually the one who is hunted, and it's all these
different aliens and creatures and people who come to hunt
on the island. It looks like maybe he's gonna team
up with el Fanning, who as Me and Carmen we're
very excited to see has the whalen U Tani logo
(01:54):
in Aha eyes, just like Andy from Alien Romulus. So
I think we're definitely getting connections back there to the
kind of AVP era predator versus Alien. Wouldn't be surprised
if I saw as animorph pop up in the final movie. Also,
very interestingly, because there has been talk for a long
time about how there was an unmade predator anime series
(02:16):
from about ten years ago. We still don't know what
the status of that is, but it has been talked about.
But I thought it's very interesting that they also announced
a predator killer of Killer's animated show. And this is
by the same guy who made Prey, who has now
basically been given the keys to the Predator ip and
it is about predators throughout history, like going up against
(02:39):
the most sickest fighters and you know what sounds like
a ten year old pitched it and I fucking want
to watch that. Shit? Do I want to watch him
fight like some Tudor guy jousting. Yeah, I don't know
if that's going to be in it, but I would
like to see that, you know. I think it's gonna
be really fun. Can't wait for this. We're obviously big
Alien fans here and Predator as well. Also, if you
are a Predator lover, definitely check out the Spider Man
(03:02):
predat ecomic that's coming out at the moment from Marvel.
It is brutal as hell. It's so gory. It's really
wild to see a Spider Man story like that. So yeah,
if you're a monst the lover, it's gonna be a
good summer for us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Up next, a Wonderful Earth Day teaser trailer for the
new project Alien Earth. This teaser trailer, voiced by Neil
de grasse Tyson, makes it seem as if you were
about to watch one of these wonderful kind of like
nature documentaries, but no, this is as becomes clear in
(03:36):
the final seconds of the teaser. A promo for an
upcoming show about an Alien Invasion of Earth, starring a
wonderful cast includes Alex Lothor, Timothy Olafan S Davis, Samuel Blinken, Babousis.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And more and more.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And this was a very hooky trailer that I'm excited
to to watch more.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, this is also like a Noah Hawley show. So
if you're a Legion guy, be excited. You know, I
think this is great. I don't think it's a coincidence
that we're getting new Predator and new Alien. I think
that crossover is probably gonna work. Also, I love that
at the end of the PSA it was like go
to IGN and I was like, I go there every day.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I work there. What do you want from me?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Like?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Do I need to?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And it was actually a very cool world guide for
ALIENA So definitely check that out.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Also, this is gonna be interesting because my understanding.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Is this is the earliest timeline that we're gonna have
seen in the whalen Utanni alien space.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It happens about you know it just.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
In the future and before the iconic Nostromo incident as
we will call it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So yeah, we're eating good.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I absolutely love his animorph My dream is to go
to the hi our Geygabar in Sweden or in Switzerland
if anyone wants to hook me up there.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
But yeah, very fun. Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Let's take a quick break and we'll be read.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Back and we're back. Sinners blowing up at the box
(05:19):
of Wow. Wow, Wow Wow. The film opened over the
weekend to a cool forty eight million massive critical acclaim.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I believe it's at ninety.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
It's actually they think it's hit one hundred million because
they had an unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Tuesday and Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, word of mouth is really blowing it up.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Word of mouth is real.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
And also this is very interesting because I've never seen
something like this work this way before. So they think
it made over eight million dollars on Tuesday, cheap movie Day,
which is crazy. And then they think it made another
on Wednesday, like eight or nine million, which again on
her of and that's full price tickets. But the reason
is Ryan Coogler and Warner Brothers came up with this
(06:06):
very interesting and clever scheme, which is they if you
went to see Sinners from the twenty third of April,
so this is to encourage you to go and see
it again. And this next weekend, they are giving away
film reel from the movie and people can collect it's
seventy milimeter film reel. So people are going absolutely wild,
(06:29):
and it's been so fun to see people online going,
oh my god, I have to see this in Imax.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I have to see this at the Vista. I have
to see it.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I recently I did yet see it in true imax,
because I'm a true Imax lover, but I recently went
see it at the Alamo draft House, relatively small screen
with a couple of friends, and it was just as incredible.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I would just say, just keep going.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The big other.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
News here that me and Jason wanted to talk about
is it has come out in some very ridiculous kind
of trade news that tried to make it see like
a bad thing. That Ryan Cougler, specifically for this film,
which is very much about the notion of black ownership
and black freedom, he basically said to whoever was gonna
(07:10):
get it, like, not only did he want his dollar gross,
which he has been getting at from every dollar, not
waiting until the movie is done, but also he gets
to own it in twenty five years. In twenty five years,
the copyright will lapse and it will go back to him.
And interestingly, like the only other person who's done this
is Quentin Tarantino and that was also like for his
(07:32):
later stage movies.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So this is a huge moment.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Variety is trying to act like, oh, this is gonna
be bad for studios, but I loved the quote from
Michael de lucam Abdy, who work at Warner Brothers as
the execs, and they were basically like, if you think
this is.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
A bad idea, you're stupid.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Like Ryan Kugler is a genius, and we love that
we gave him this deal.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We love we gave him this movie, and it seems
like it's paying off.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Also, ninety eight percent on Rotten Toma and an A
Cinema School, which is the first time any horror movie
has had an A Cinema score. So the word of
mouth and legs on this is going to be long, long, long.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So the reason that you know this is being looked
at with alarm in some industry circles is that you know,
the whole game in entertainment is to build a library,
yes exam to have whether it's your Paramounts, your Netflix,
your Apple TV plus whatever, create shows and movies that
(08:29):
will live on their platform that will be part of
the reason that people sign up, and that a deal
like this Coogler's Neil potentially, you know, throws a wrench
in that works. I'll just say that, like, I kind
of obviously there's the whole ethical and moral issue about
like creator owning the stuff that they own. But I
(08:53):
also feel like, what's again, so Tarantino has this, he's
not and Tarantino's not the first.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
There's been others, just rare.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's been a it's a small handful of people. But
I'm like, honestly confused why some are so like up
in arms and saying this could destroy the industry when
this has been done before.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It's because one, it's because Ryan Coogler is a black director.
That's like, let's be real. And also I think that
the other aspect of it is like there's never been
a more obsessed with IP time in cinema and in
the industry, and this idea of having a catalog and
needing a catalog so you can have a streaming service,
(09:34):
so you can sell your catalog in the future to
Amazon like MGM, did you know? But the funny thing
is as well, We're living in an era where sometimes
execs are just trash in a movie and not even
letting it be released.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
So you're already.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Impacting your in your your catalog with choices like that.
So I think it's all kind of overblown. And I
think that now it's hit one hundred mil. The budget
was around ninety mil, and then you add your market,
it probably goes up to like one hundred and fifty mil,
as my guess, and it's already made one hundred mil
just domestically. I think it's gonna be fine. Also, I'm
(10:08):
very interested to see and we'll talk about this at
some point next week, because we keep it a lot
of eyes on, like how much does the weekly drop off?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Right?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And we know with Marvel recently we've been having these
huge sixty seven percent drop offs, Like the word of
mouth is not there. They think that this weekend Sinners
is gonna make forty million dollars and.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It opened to forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
If that is the case, it is gonna be one
of the lowest, if not the lowest weekend drops of
all time. So everything you're doing here, Warner Brothers, you're
killing it. Ryan Coogler, You're doing such a great job
of getting people back in the cinemas. I've been seeing
people complaining about sold out screenings all over the country
and how it's hard to get a ticket to see
it in that new format.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I just I think it's good for cinema.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I think it's gonna end up being seen as a
great deal, an important deal. And also Ryan Coogler said
he just wanted it for this movie. He said, he's
not gonna ask you that deal again, you know. And
Joelle had said she thinks Warner Brothers might be priming
him to be that kind of new Nolan.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now Nolan is.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
At University, I would love to see them keep investing
in him because it's kind of hard to put into
words how different and unique that movie really is.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, I mean, like, listen, here's he's got a billion
dollar movie under his belt, and now he's got Sinners,
which is continuing to rocket in terms of box office,
and let's face it, like this is dollars business and
he's bringing it in. So yes, I agree. I hope
they continue this and it makes sense for them. Up
(11:34):
next in Shocking.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Wilds Wild Shoes, Blowing my fucking bye.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Jacob Phillips, the son of Sean Phillips of hell Blazer
and Wildcats and Criminal, you know, like same and Criminal,
one of the you know, one of the lights of
a certain generation of UK comics creators.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, Indie and also like if you watch, like if
you read an image book, this is man that you
know and care about. He's done a great job actually,
like kind of honing Jacob. Jacob has colored some of
his comics. Then Jacob went into writing and somehow he
got this gig.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
His son, Jacob is finishing up work on a adaptation
of Francis Ford Coppola's Insane three Hour.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Disaster.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Magnum Magnum Doopah's megalois it, and it's almost done and
it will be released soon and it is He's just
announced it to the world.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And this is truly one of those things where I'm like.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Wait, what my mind. Also, this is like so funny
because it's so comicsy because he's.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
The guy who he's adapting it with, Chris Ryle is
like an old DW guy who was in charge of
a DW. So it just feels very like in in
the weeds, in kind of inside baseball.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I also won.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Jacob is like an unreal yet like everything he draws
is fucking amazing, And I love the idea that Jacob
said he never saw the movie, he never saw any footage,
and he's been working on this since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He only read scripts and reviewed concepts.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Are is this going to become like an eyes in
the winning fantastic graphic novel? Is this the format that
Megalopolis was always supposed to be in?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
This is just.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Blowing my mind and I will be reading that one
hundred and forty eight page graphic novels no question.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
In absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Up next, Paedro Pascal gives us more reason to love him.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Oh I love him.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
See he It was.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Photographed wearing a Protect Doll shirt at the premiere of
the Thunderbolts movie, and then was quoted as.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Asked for comment about JK.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Rowling's ongoing activism to strip trans women in the UK
of their rights and safety protections, to which Pedro Pascal
replied that JK is a heinous said it was cainus
loser behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I love that so much, Pedro, We love you. Also.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Carmen wrote a great little context here because I did
get a few different people saying, hey, what does that mean?
Protect the dolls? Like everyone's really excited about it. So
Carmen wrote, our super producer wrote a great little bit here,
which is it's important to note that the term doll
is used to describe high femme passing trans women originating
in the Borham community, who are the primary targets of
anti trans hate and violence. The statement intends to highlight
(14:27):
the most at risk and disenfranchised of the Lodge trans community.
And here's the thing, you all want to protect the
doll shirt now, I know I've had the dms. Well,
Carmen found out where they really are from, not the bootlegs,
not the tea publics, not the AI versions. If you
purchase it from the retailer connor Ibes, your purchase then
supports the trans Lifeline project. And you can obviously just
(14:47):
donate directly to charity, or how about you just send
some money to a doll in your life, because tough
times are tough. And I think Pedro is amazing, and
I love that he's just on Twitter like replying to
people that yeah, heinus fucking loose the behavior and that
shit is a headline, and he's proud of it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And finally, George R. Martin, after it's written here that
it's been thirteen years since his last book. I think
it's actually been fifteen. I want to I want to
change that. Whoever wrote you know what.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That's why he's he keeps saying thirteen, but he's playing
it down.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's been fifteen years by my count. Harvard Left released
a book in his Song of Ion Fire series. The
book titled The Dance of Dragons, released in twenty ten.
I want to say a summer of twenty ten, and
in a recent Time magazine interview, George said that he
(15:45):
is indeed quote still working on oh and then and
then continued that the book is quote that's the curse
of my life. Here, he continues, there's no doubt Winds
of Winter is thirteen. Again, it's fifteen years late. I'm
still working on it. I've apperiods where I make progress
(16:05):
and others and others when things divert my attention end quote.
The curse of my life is crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let me I should just say, George, hire writers room,
man bro you can do it together.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, it goes right on the edit and get get
Get three goal strikes.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, you can do it.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Bro also as well, I will say super producer Aboo
as always fact checking us. So Jason, you and you
and Georgia basically right in the middle. It was actually
published in July twenty eleven, so it's fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
He's playing it like it's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And all feeling your feeling us steal like suck get it,
comments like Andy Wall could have taught Hm a thing
or two.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Get writers from Guess Studio, pay those people a lot
of money and make this book come. Honestly, I love
this is the kind of catty, hilarious shit that I
love when creatives say. It's like, it's like you're a multimillionaire.
You've got mad franchises, you even got like Dark Wind.
You're producing one of the best TV shows right now,
even though Game of Thrones is not on your House
(17:04):
of the Dragon, and all of it is because of
your writing.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
But now, when's the winter is the curse of his life?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And you know what, just.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Hire just hire some folks to hire people.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Hire some people.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But I love it because it's also very relatable because
that's how I feel any time I won the deadline
for a book.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm like, wait, why did I.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Accept this deadline for fourteen years?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He's been on deadline for fourteen years.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The one thing that always cracks me up, that we
always say is like, what's the only thing worse than
your project not getting picked up?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's your project getting picked up. And I think that
is That's what Georgia L. Martin is living through right now.
He's like, I just cannot going.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
To curse the curse of my life.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh my God, take it. Please smoke a joint, my guy.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
On the next week's episodes of X Ray Vision, we're
diving into a lot of stuff. That's it for news, folks,
Thanks for listening. Revision is hosted by Jason Sepcion and
Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kurtman.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
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Speaker 5 (18:11):
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Speaker 2 (18:15):
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