This week on news, Rosie and Jason ponder what caused Megan to flop at the box office. Is this a Blum House misstep or a change in the culture? Then, we're looking at the film adaptation of Andy Weir's best-selling novel Project Hail Mary starring Ryan Gosling. We gently judge the ranking of the New York Times' top 100 Films of the 21st Century List and share our top 10 movies of the past twenty-five years. Plus, Jason and Rosie remember actor Michael Madsen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode, we're talking about changes behind the scenes
and HBO is the Last of Us?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All that and more news.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
News on Saturday, news on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
In today's previously on News episode, we are catching up
on the biggest geek stories of the week, including Megan
two point zerore disappoints at the boss office.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What happened guys?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Microsoft announces just unbelievably large layoffs and game cancelations, and
of course the conversation that has been getting the Internet
going this week The New York Times Top one hundred films.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What are our top ten films from this period? I
don't know. It's been hard.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Everyone keep asking me, and I love movies. I don't know, guys,
but we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But first, let's go to the Seattle quarantine Zone in
news that I was very surprised at me too. The
Last of Us creator Neil Druckman has exited the television
show adaptation of his iconic video game series The Last
(01:43):
of Us. He announced in a statement via the Naughty
Dog Instagram that he's going to be taking a step back,
which was interesting because I think I left the door
open to maybe taking taking a step forward at some
point in the future, but taking a step back from
production of season three The Last of Us. He's going
to be focusing on his responsibilities to Naughty Dog the
(02:04):
Studio with regards to their development of Intergalactic the Heretic Profit,
which is their next upcoming Triple A game. There's been
a lot of discussion and theorizing about why he might
have left. Any thoughts on this news and any theories
of your own.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I do think that it was quite outrageous that this
was just announced via like an Instagram post.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, this is like that makes me think this.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Is a.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
July weekend. I know. I was like this man was like,
I you know.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That feeling where it's the holiday weekend and you're like,
I just want to get everything off my plate.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So I can relax. He was like, I just want
to get.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
My massively successful HBO show off my plate so I
don't have to think about it anymore. And honestly I
get it, man, like I respect anyone trying to do
less work.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But no, I don't know. I think this to me.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Smacks of somebody who understandably, you know, made one of
the best TV shows of all time and then had
to deal with people being like disappointed in the second
season even though it was still a good season of TV,
it just wasn't lauded and kind of celebrate it in
the same way.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We've talked about it a lot, that this is a
good show, but some combination of the fact that it's
a video game adaptation and the things that the video
game fans get upset about when something they love is adapted,
and the other kind of critical takes from various quarters.
(03:43):
It almost it makes you feel like this show second season.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Was bad and something and that was not then.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I mean, ratings were down. I don't think that's the
case at all, but I think you're right. I think
reading the tea leaves there's some sort of creative of
friction here between I don't know if it's between Truckman
and Masin, or between Druckman, Masin and HBO or what.
But clearly there's some difference of opinion about how to proceed.
(04:13):
And I think the fact that the show was hammered
a little bit critically, end ratings were down, leads you
to believe that this is the fallout from that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I would agree, And I also think that you know,
Drugman has already lived through releasing the Last.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Of Us Part two and seeing the way that people
responded to certain plot points that then happened in the show,
and with the knowledge and the proof that right now
they've admitted this is going to be season three is
going to be Abby's story.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I also think like maybe he doesn't want the stress.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Maybe he's like, well, if I'm not involved, then people
are just stop being like, oh man, why did you
do this?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Hits okay, So first of all, last question on this one, actually,
do do you think that the story will stay really
close and true in season three to the game or
do you think this is going to give Mason and
HBO more chance to kind of reimagine the game in
the format of the TV show, Because definitely season two
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kind of it was really really connected and beat by
beat for the game, but there were some significant changes.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, and listen, your mileage may vary. Right to me,
some of the weakest stuff was the stuff that was
so loyal to the games, that is almost beat for
beat for the game. I just think when you're adapting
particular from one medium to another, certain things simply need
to change. And it was the friction between the things
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that the changes to the things that remained the same.
I thought that were some of the weakest parts of
the story. So yeah, I think that again this is
me theorizing, but I think Truckman leaving is an indication
that HBO and Mason are going to move towards more changes.
(06:10):
That's what my they feel makes sense for the television medium,
and that Truckman's exit makes that easier.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Okay, I will I want to shout out one theory
that I do really like about this that I think
is like the most hopeful theory, and that is that
one of in our discord, somebody was like, I choose
to believe that the reason they're doing this is so
he can make the last of us three. And I
(06:39):
love that because that is just like I know he
said it's to do like Intergalactic the heretic profit.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But there has been rumors of a season three coming.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And also with you mean the game sorry, oh yes,
sorry sorry, the Last of Us Game Part three or
whatever it would be called.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And so I like that positive read.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And also we work kind of confused how they were
going to stretch out season three based on what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So maybe there is some course over that.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
But even I say, I get it, just like sometimes
you don't want you don't want to heat man, So.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, I respect it.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Up next, has Blumhouse entered its bomb Era Entertainment Weekly, asks.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I know, entertainment Weekly, yet a bit spicy, then.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Get a little bit spicy. Megan two point zero is
currently artificially intelligent bombing at the box office.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Megan ten million dollars, only ten.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Million compared to the first film, which grows thirty four
on its opening weekend. This movie had a huge advertising push.
It was, you know, coming off of the first movie,
was very buzzy, seemed to have a fan base of
people who loved what Megan was cooking in this kind
of you know, twenty twenties version of a high tech
(07:57):
Chucky but with a lot more SaaS, and it leaves
Blumhouse and Blumhouse leader Jason Blum wondering what's going on.
He has said that he was quote in pain all
weekend long watching the box office dollars kind of very
slowly trickle in your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Okay, so yes, I do see some clear issues with this.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
One of which which other people like Mark Bernardin and
stuff have brought up, and that some of the box
office people have brought up is Aquila Cooper, who was
the original creator of Megan alongside.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
James One, was not involved in this movie. Not involved.
And I think that also another thing that is quite
clear to me with this movie is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
The studio thought that they could comprehend and understand what
made the first movie popular. But the first movie was
essentially a fantastically cut trailer that reached meme status, and
then that once that happens, you can't really replicate that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I thought something that Jason Blum said.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
In this interview was interesting too, where he said we
all thought Megan was like Superman.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
We could do anything to her.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
We could change genres, we could put her in the summer,
we could make her look different. We could turn her
from a bad guy into a good guy, and we
kind of classically overthought how powerful people's engagement really was
with her.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Now, the truth is, bro, you can do that with
a character, but not in the second movie. That's that's
like a Chucky thing.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Like five movies, Bride of Chucky, four movie, change the
whole vibe. Everyone liked the fact you made a PG.
Thirteen horror movie that made millions of dollars because somebody
on the staff, one of the writers kind of understood
the way that kids and young people interact with stuff.
The trailer was cut really well, the movie was super fun,
(09:48):
and I think everybody wanted to see the killer dollback
also exactly right. The truth is that Terminator two, which
I know is obviously also like a big influence for this.
It was still like a crazy action movie. They just
added a kid character this. They didn't make a horror
movie where she had to stop the slasher, you know,
(10:10):
which would have made sense maybe more genre wise, we
could have still seen her killing people who tried to
hurt her young charge.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I was not surprised to see this flop.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I also think they went a bit too hard on
like Meghan the Doll says like she is here for
LGBTQ rights or something. I'm like, guys, it's a doll.
Like she doesn't need to be a gay icon. That
is something she cannot claim herself. That is something that
us as unhinged queer people put on things like the
Babba Duck like or Megan the Doll. Like. You can't
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take that on. You can't be going out and being like, yeah,
she's a hero.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
This this dog killed many children or like many children.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So yeah, I just don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't think I agree to your point about Chucky.
You know, it took Freddy like three movies before he
started becoming like Joke.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Friday where he's like, hey around guy.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You know, like yeah, making yeah, you always wanted to
be on TV minute, yeah fifty, it's of fame. Like,
so that took a while. You know, he was still
a very scary guy. But you can't I think you're right,
you can't jump to that in the in the second film.
Let's take a quick break and come back and talk
about more news, including the first teaser trailer for Project
(11:34):
Here Mary and We're back sad news out of video
game worlds, where Microsoft is laying off thousands, thousands bollands
(11:56):
despite a sixteen percent increase in revenue from twenty three
to twenty four. Microsoft is laying off multiple members across
multiple divisions, including gaming.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It is a big, big cut.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Xbox appears to be one of the hardest hit by
the recent rounds of layoffs in the video game world,
and we're seeing that it's you know, disrupted development in
various projects, including the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Perfect Dark, Ever Wild.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
All those things are canceled, as well as numerous unannounced
projects that we're in the works are just gone now.
In other Xbox news, hell Divers too is coming to
Xbox in August. So there's that for all you gamers
out there. But not great in the industry, and get
ready for more of this across every sector as corporations
start trying to figure out how they can use AI.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
To take people's jobs.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
WO.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's what's that's what's happing up next. The first trailer
for Project Hail Mary, the adaptation of the best selling
book by Andy Weer, author of The Martian I have
watched it good trailer. Here's my takes as someone who
just give.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The take because this has been inspiring a lot of
discourse in the Discord.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Give the warning.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
As someone who has read the book, if you want
to see Project Hail Mary, which is going to be
a wonderful space adventure. If you have not read the
book and you want to see the movie, don't watch
the trailer, or only watch the trailer.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Up to like the last thirty seconds or.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So when you hear the music, get ominous and start
to convey the feeling like, oh, you're about to learn
something because I, in my opinion, there is a huge
plot spoiler in the trailer, and so don't.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
This of course, and the Discord have been very mad
about it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yes, so, but listen, great book, like a wonderful book
about a scientist who is selected really just like an
elementary school teacher who is also a scientist, who gets
selected on a very very dangerous mission light years away
(14:08):
to be sent into space to try and figure out
why our sun is getting progressively dimmer, which will lead
to the extinction of.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
All life on Earth.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The movie stars Ryan Gosling and again looks really fun by.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lord and Miller.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh and it definitely feels like you could.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
This feels like the kind of sci fi that could
have that kind of runaway word of mouth conversation around it,
like the Martian. It will be interesting to see where
this goes. But yes, the trailer has sparked much conversation,
and the general advice is that of Jason, do not
watch the full trailer if you want to go into
(14:51):
this as people go into reading the book. You know,
if you still want to get the surprise, if you
want to get that big twist.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, because huge, huge twist unveiled in the trailer. Okay,
up next.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
A couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Ago, The New York Times had their list of top
one hundred movies of the twenty first century, with picks
by notable actors, directors, and other notable people throughout pop
culture and culture. Written large, and the feature gave readers
the ability to select their own top ten top ten
(15:29):
list of movies of the twenty first century that they
think are the best, and we're going to share ours. Well,
first of all, let's see what movies made it. I'm
going to click on this top ten top one hundred
movies of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Should we just do the top ten or so?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Number one hundred? Super Bad? I don't know if I
agree with that, but sure, Okay, here we go. Here's
the ten Top ten The Social Network Number ten, number nine,
Spirited Away Ooh I Love Number eight, Get Out Yep
number seven, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Spine Number six,
No Country for Old Men Number five, Moonlight Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Moonlight Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Number four, oh Man in the Mood for Love.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I love this movie so much. It's definitely on my life.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This is the only one that I'm like, oh man,
should this have made my ten?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Number three, There Will Be Blood. Number two, Mulholland Drive.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Crazy Love the Too High, Up to Love That it's
that eye. I like love the movie ten in the Cinema.
I'm like, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I absolutely love this film.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Too Hot, Everybody Calmed the funk Down Number one, Parasite Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I like that's how texted unexpected good.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Top ten, Rosie, Would you like to give us your
cud well?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I I did distinctly struggle over this last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Everybody has been sharing their top ten.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I am a I am a movie lover who loves
movies of all eras and all generations, and as it
annoys many people on my letterbox, but I consistently changed
my top four to basically be themed to movies that
I'm loving.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
At the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Oh, I don't have my full top ten because still
I have legit, Like people have been messaging me like, hey,
you're gonna share yours?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
What is it? And I'm like, guys, ten movies is
so hard for me to pick.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But I will say I will say as I think
that these lists are often like obviously, you feel like
they're released.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Subjective and you're like, how could this be?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But I think like Parasite, Get Out, Moonlight in the
Mood for Love, Spirit Away, like those to me are iconic,
important movies, and I think that this is a rare
list that feels like it actually represents the reality of
the great movies that have come out, rather than like
(17:58):
you know, those old like American Cinema, American Film Organization
or whatever, and it would always be like number one
is like fucking like birth of a Nation, It's really important.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
This actually feels like.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Hey, listen to the cinematography, guy.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I understand that we're showing the birth of the Klan,
but what about that track Dragon sh Cara weighed one
thousand pounds back then that they had.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I feel like, it's really nice to see a list
like this that was actually convened by people who make movies.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And love movies. So why don't you go? And I
will try and i'll together and lose ten.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, here's my ten, And there are there are several
movies that I both painfully, regretfully and truthfully left off
just because like, these are the movies that I'm like,
if you come to me and say, do you want
to watch this movie tonight, I'd probably say yes.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And so that's why they're.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I love that. That's the good that's a good way
to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just want to rewatch them.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And in no particular order, here we go Ladybird twenty
Seventeen's later Bird, Children of Men two thousand and six, cool,
Mad Max Fury Road twenty fifteen. Only one of the
best action movies ever made, maybe one of the three
best action movies, maybe one of the two best action
movies ever made. The Royal tann and Bombs Wes Anderson's
best movie in my opinion, Twousy and two. Parasite twenty nineteen,
(19:23):
I think the best movie of the twenty first century
for me, Old Boy two thousand and five. Oh great,
gotta do it, folks, gotta for me, I gotta do it.
No Country two thousand and seven, two thousand and seven,
A big year for me. There will be Blood two
thousand and seven. Mikey Clayt's Michael Clayton two thousand and seven. Listen,
I come on, I overrate this on. I do think
(19:47):
this is one of the great I think this is
a just a criminally underrated movie. And finally, The Social
Network twenty ten. The ones that really hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
To leave out in the mood.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For love that really hurts, I know on Incredible Moonlight hurt,
h get Out hurt and Spirited Away hurt.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Okay, but this is my list I am.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I will say that a lot of the ones that
I left out, like spirit Away, like get Out, is
just like I can't my heart can't.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I can't do that on a.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Every weekend basically, Okay, I can't think that deeply or
get that like demol have my heart, get that demolished.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We're going to take a quick freak and we'll be
right back. Yeah, we're back.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, give us your list or your partial.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
List, guys, unbelievable. I guess this hits so hard that
Rolling Stone has now done one hundred best Movies of
the twenty first century that they dropped like two days ago.
That's completely different. So I'm kind of loving this competitive listing. Okay,
So mine is basically, I would say, like almost like
(21:08):
variant version of the one by the New York Times,
because there are stuff that I agree there, so I'm
actually putting for me.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I think the best Gibbli movie of.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The lot of the twenty first century is probably Whisper
of the Heart. I think that movie is unbelievable. It's
not a mia Zachi movie, so very controversial.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I also I'm gonna go for a Park Chamwork movie too,
But I think that Park Chamwork's most recent release that
we've gotten in America, which was Decision to Leave, is
like a fucking masterpiece. And I think if it had
hit at the right time, if it had been promoted properly,
it would have been up there with kind of your
(21:55):
your Fatal Attractions or your kind.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Of erotic thrillers as they were in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
But it's kind of a modernized version. I also love
part I also love in the mood for love, that
would definitely be on there for me. I think I
would probably also be like, I've been looking at like anime.
I'm like, are there any anime releases, for example, like
your Name? If we're putting like a movie kind of
(22:22):
in the vein of a social network, which is a
great movie. But I also think is they're deemed by importance.
I think that it's important to put something like your Name,
which became like one of the first ever American anime
smashes that we'd kind of had in that way. But yeah,
as you can tell, I'm talking around it because guys,
there's like five hundred movies in my head.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I found this very hard too.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
There's a reason I have not posted a list yet.
But what I am loving is the conversation, and I'm
loving to see everyone getting so excited. I would put
Gut actually in my top ten. I remember that being
such an incredible movie. But then I start thinking, and
I'm like, oh wait, but what I actually put Nope,
because I think Nope is like a summer masterpiece on
(23:05):
the level of like Jaws.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Problem.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I start to kind of like, I'm glad, I'm glad
and Glorious Bostard's made it that high in the New
York Times one because I do think that is one
of his, Like Quentin Taranty knows best movie that Crowdy
and Dragon for the movie, I think you know for.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Me too high I'm right now, And part of that
is that I'm currently scrolling to try and find Michael Clayton,
and I don't think.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It makes the hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I'm eighty two now.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I think I'm gonna tell you, guys, if Michael Clayton
is not on this list, you did it's ninety ninety three.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Come on, guys, No, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Another one that could make it onto my list, depending
on how many people So dact by David Fincher.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I fucking lo that movie. That's like the closest that we.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Have been his best movie, perhaps, yes.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And like the closest we've gotten to that kind of
seventies political newsroom thriller that was like such a big
thing back then.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I'm like, yeah, the ordering of this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I would like to talk to someone at The New
York Times about ordered.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Ninety four ninety three and I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Looking at I'm looking at Fleming, Wolf of Wall Street
down here. I know it's by Martin Scorsese, but that
is not about a movie than Michael Clayton.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Also, let me just say this a Gladiator, a movie
I really like.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I love Gladiator ninety two, two thousand and threes. Master
and Commander, where's that hat? Better movie?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, don't come at me, no.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Jason, come on, Super Yucky has a master and Command
of T shirt range.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
We're mastering Commander.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Love It's it's a better movie.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I mean that all I'll say. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Look, if you're asking me for personals. Phantom Thread, that's
definitely in my top.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
High Yeah, that's high up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But they put it twenty five.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think that's a bit low compared to some of
those other movies in that top twenty five, I would be.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I am still shut. I'm still shut with Clayton and
that end.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Listen. I love Mulholland Drive number two.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I know. Also, I'll tell you another movie adaptation. Love
that movie.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Spike Jakes definitely up their big Knick Cage fan.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But again, I love Twins.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's I love you love a Twins story. You know
the twin Love, a Little Parent, Trap.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Love An and I also love the kind of nightmarish
reality that adaptation represents, which is like, if you are,
you know, somebody with a high profile, you can do
something like adapt to book and then just make it
completely about yourself and your experience of adapting it, Like
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that is one of the most unhinged things, but also
one of the best things. I'm sorry, guys, I'm not
putting Dark Knight in my top ten. I see here
twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm not putting any I'm not putting any. Listen.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think if there is one that reaches for like
great storytelling, great cinema, I think it is the Dark
Knight that said people like Where's Endgame?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Where is this?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Like that it's different in those Again.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Those movies are like my comfort food, but I put
them in a different category, something like this.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
But also I'm still like this is where this kind
of stuff always starts, like annoying me is because I
feel like often we kind of forget the cultural conversations,
and I feel like finally people had started to talk
about Lost in Translation and how Scarlett Hansen was like
eighteen when she made the movie and Bill Murray is
an old ass man, and I feel like, and this
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is me coming as someone who The Virgin Suicides by
Sofia Coppola was one of the most formative movies as
a young girl to me, so I am a Sophia fan.
But like, come on, guys, thirty are like, now we're
getting to the point. I mean, you got the depart
on there, but you don't have the original Infernal Affairs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well I want to know, so.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like, yeah, I mean The Departed is too high for me. Listen,
I love The Departed, but first of all, Infernal Affairs better.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Better, It's better, guys, gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Second of all, I don't know this weird, Like it's
not my favorite Nicholson either. I feel like he's chewing
it up. I don't buy the Boston accent. I think
the texting back and forth scene is which again is
from Infernal Affairs, but is like I think that is
so taut and good and there's some really incredible, like
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suspenseful moments, but for me, it's I don't think.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's a top hundred.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I would also say, like, they do have a movie
on here that is one of my favorite movies. And
that me and my friend James used to be like
the biggest We'd always been telling people you gotta watch
this movie is It's called a Prophet is by this
French direct So I love this one of my old
time favorite movies. But this is the motherfucker made a
Melia Peress, so I can't even rep.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But it's profit is really good.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Prophet is, like legit a masterpiece if you want to
watch a movie about the way that the prison system
can kind of trap you into this unending cycle, and
it's so good and it has an incredible performance by
Tahar Rahim, who hilariously would then go on to be
the villain and Madam web which was one of the
most surreal things in my life because I'm bro this
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is like an Oscar winning performance, like don't don't be
in Madam Webb. But yeah, I also find it interesting
when these conversations happen that like Everywhere's Anderson movie from
this era is in the thing, you know, like I
think that well, apart from dodge Ling Unlimited, can I
give you one more please?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Wolf of wall Street? Too High, Too High? I'm telling
you for me, it's going to that I enjoy the movie.
I think it's too high. I think it's There's a
There's a Bunch Grand Budapest. It's too High twenty two.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And that's probably my favorite Wes Anderson movie. But you
know what, I.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Agree, it's too high, too high. Also just an interesting
there's gonna. I would love to see the kind of
data around how many of these were picked because of
being in the oscars.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Kind of how do you feel about about movies like
Zone of Interest or Anatomy of Fall that it's it
feels like they just came out, and how you digest
how good they are? I will say Anatomy of Fall
if you haven't seen it, I love the movie that
My wife didn't like it as much as I did,
but I really loved it. And part of what I loved,
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especially watching it at home on VOD is pausing every
twenty minutes and going, is this really what the French
legal system is?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Why are there? Why are there fine judges?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Up?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Why does the jury sit with the judge?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Crazy? How come? How come the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Lawyer is like not objecting, They're just letting random people
like the courtroom yell at their at their client.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Okay, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you on
the I think it's too low on this list.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, tell me Anka Jam's fifty eight jobs, so fucking masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Put that in the top fifty at least, please. I
love that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But yeah, I'm this has been a fun conversation starter,
and I think it's very I'm very interested because just
from scrolling through the Rolling Stone one, which they just
released on July first, there's definitely more.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Michael Clayton is seventy three in that list.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Definitely creeping higher, creeping higher, but they have a little
more of that kind of out there genre stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They got John Wick, they got the host by Bong Juneo.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
They also have Grizzly Man, which is on this list,
the Timothy Treadwell documentary by my love Burner Herzog, but
on the New York Times list it's like one of
the first, like in the top you know, ninety, but
here it's sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Nice. I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It definitely really introduced the wider world to Herzog. So
it's interesting to see the different styles. I would also
love to know when when we at IGN, for example,
put together a Best Anime list or Best Villain of
Anime list and those kind of things. There is like
an extensive amount of voting that goes.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Along and then we talk about how what.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Are you know, reasons are and how we go and
we do it and we make sure we're talking to
multiple different people, which they obviously did here. But I
would love to know how the actual like choices were made,
Like was it based just on people's ballots and how
many votes it got?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Was it based on like a tiered ranking system.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Give me a little bit more info on how the
data was arranged New York Times, just because I'm interested
and I love that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
But you know what, I love it when people support movies.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, watch movies.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We go to the movie there, go seeabe. Please.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
On next week's episodes of Extra Vision, we're diving into
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and HBO is the Last of Us?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All that and more news.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
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back to Extra Vision of the podcast where we dive
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Coming from My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you episodes
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
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News on Saturday, news on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
In today's previously on News episode, we are catching up
on the biggest geek stories of the week, including Megan
two point zerore disappoints at the boss office.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What happened guys?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Microsoft announces just unbelievably large layoffs and game cancelations, and
of course the conversation that has been getting the Internet
going this week The New York Times Top one hundred films.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What are our top ten films from this period? I
don't know. It's been hard.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Everyone keep asking me, and I love movies. I don't know, guys,
but we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But first, let's go to the Seattle quarantine Zone in
news that I was very surprised at me too. The
Last of Us creator Neil Druckman has exited the television
show adaptation of his iconic video game series The Last
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of Us. He announced in a statement via the Naughty
Dog Instagram that he's going to be taking a step back,
which was interesting because I think I left the door
open to maybe taking taking a step forward at some
point in the future, but taking a step back from
production of season three The Last of Us. He's going
to be focusing on his responsibilities to Naughty Dog the
(02:04):
Studio with regards to their development of Intergalactic the Heretic Profit,
which is their next upcoming Triple A game. There's been
a lot of discussion and theorizing about why he might
have left. Any thoughts on this news and any theories
of your own.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I do think that it was quite outrageous that this
was just announced via like an Instagram post.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, this is like that makes me think this.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Is a.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
July weekend. I know. I was like this man was like,
I you know.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That feeling where it's the holiday weekend and you're like,
I just want to get everything off my plate.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So I can relax. He was like, I just want
to get.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
My massively successful HBO show off my plate so I
don't have to think about it anymore. And honestly I
get it, man, like I respect anyone trying to do
less work.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But no, I don't know. I think this to me.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Smacks of somebody who understandably, you know, made one of
the best TV shows of all time and then had
to deal with people being like disappointed in the second
season even though it was still a good season of TV,
it just wasn't lauded and kind of celebrate it in
the same way.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We've talked about it a lot, that this is a
good show, but some combination of the fact that it's
a video game adaptation and the things that the video
game fans get upset about when something they love is adapted,
and the other kind of critical takes from various quarters.
(03:43):
It almost it makes you feel like this show second season.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Was bad and something and that was not then.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I mean, ratings were down. I don't think that's the
case at all, but I think you're right. I think
reading the tea leaves there's some sort of creative of
friction here between I don't know if it's between Truckman
and Masin, or between Druckman, Masin and HBO or what.
But clearly there's some difference of opinion about how to proceed.
(04:13):
And I think the fact that the show was hammered
a little bit critically, end ratings were down, leads you
to believe that this is the fallout from that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I would agree, And I also think that you know,
Drugman has already lived through releasing the Last.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Of Us Part two and seeing the way that people
responded to certain plot points that then happened in the show,
and with the knowledge and the proof that right now
they've admitted this is going to be season three is
going to be Abby's story.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I also think like maybe he doesn't want the stress.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Maybe he's like, well, if I'm not involved, then people
are just stop being like, oh man, why did you
do this?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Hits okay, So first of all, last question on this one, actually,
do do you think that the story will stay really
close and true in season three to the game or
do you think this is going to give Mason and
HBO more chance to kind of reimagine the game in
the format of the TV show, Because definitely season two
(05:16):
kind of it was really really connected and beat by
beat for the game, but there were some significant changes.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, and listen, your mileage may vary. Right to me,
some of the weakest stuff was the stuff that was
so loyal to the games, that is almost beat for
beat for the game. I just think when you're adapting
particular from one medium to another, certain things simply need
to change. And it was the friction between the things
(05:45):
that the changes to the things that remained the same.
I thought that were some of the weakest parts of
the story. So yeah, I think that again this is
me theorizing, but I think Truckman leaving is an indication
that HBO and Mason are going to move towards more changes.
(06:10):
That's what my they feel makes sense for the television medium,
and that Truckman's exit makes that easier.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Okay, I will I want to shout out one theory
that I do really like about this that I think
is like the most hopeful theory, and that is that
one of in our discord, somebody was like, I choose
to believe that the reason they're doing this is so
he can make the last of us three. And I
(06:39):
love that because that is just like I know he
said it's to do like Intergalactic the heretic profit.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But there has been rumors of a season three coming.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And also with you mean the game sorry, oh yes,
sorry sorry, the Last of Us Game Part three or
whatever it would be called.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And so I like that positive read.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And also we work kind of confused how they were
going to stretch out season three based on what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So maybe there is some course over that.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
But even I say, I get it, just like sometimes
you don't want you don't want to heat man, So.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, I respect it.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Up next, has Blumhouse entered its bomb Era Entertainment Weekly, asks.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I know, entertainment Weekly, yet a bit spicy, then.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Get a little bit spicy. Megan two point zero is
currently artificially intelligent bombing at the box office.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Megan ten million dollars, only ten.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Million compared to the first film, which grows thirty four
on its opening weekend. This movie had a huge advertising push.
It was, you know, coming off of the first movie,
was very buzzy, seemed to have a fan base of
people who loved what Megan was cooking in this kind
of you know, twenty twenties version of a high tech
(07:57):
Chucky but with a lot more SaaS, and it leaves
Blumhouse and Blumhouse leader Jason Blum wondering what's going on.
He has said that he was quote in pain all
weekend long watching the box office dollars kind of very
slowly trickle in your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Okay, so yes, I do see some clear issues with this.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
One of which which other people like Mark Bernardin and
stuff have brought up, and that some of the box
office people have brought up is Aquila Cooper, who was
the original creator of Megan alongside.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
James One, was not involved in this movie. Not involved.
And I think that also another thing that is quite
clear to me with this movie is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
The studio thought that they could comprehend and understand what
made the first movie popular. But the first movie was
essentially a fantastically cut trailer that reached meme status, and
then that once that happens, you can't really replicate that.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I thought something that Jason Blum said.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
In this interview was interesting too, where he said we
all thought Megan was like Superman.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
We could do anything to her.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
We could change genres, we could put her in the summer,
we could make her look different. We could turn her
from a bad guy into a good guy, and we
kind of classically overthought how powerful people's engagement really was
with her.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Now, the truth is, bro, you can do that with
a character, but not in the second movie. That's that's
like a Chucky thing.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Like five movies, Bride of Chucky, four movie, change the
whole vibe. Everyone liked the fact you made a PG.
Thirteen horror movie that made millions of dollars because somebody
on the staff, one of the writers kind of understood
the way that kids and young people interact with stuff.
The trailer was cut really well, the movie was super fun,
(09:48):
and I think everybody wanted to see the killer dollback
also exactly right. The truth is that Terminator two, which
I know is obviously also like a big influence for this.
It was still like a crazy action movie. They just
added a kid character this. They didn't make a horror
movie where she had to stop the slasher, you know,
(10:10):
which would have made sense maybe more genre wise, we
could have still seen her killing people who tried to
hurt her young charge.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I was not surprised to see this flop.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I also think they went a bit too hard on
like Meghan the Doll says like she is here for
LGBTQ rights or something. I'm like, guys, it's a doll.
Like she doesn't need to be a gay icon. That
is something she cannot claim herself. That is something that
us as unhinged queer people put on things like the
Babba Duck like or Megan the Doll. Like. You can't
(10:42):
take that on. You can't be going out and being like, yeah,
she's a hero.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
This this dog killed many children or like many children.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So yeah, I just don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't think I agree to your point about Chucky.
You know, it took Freddy like three movies before he
started becoming like Joke.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Friday where he's like, hey around guy.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You know, like yeah, making yeah, you always wanted to
be on TV minute, yeah fifty, it's of fame. Like,
so that took a while. You know, he was still
a very scary guy. But you can't I think you're right,
you can't jump to that in the in the second film.
Let's take a quick break and come back and talk
about more news, including the first teaser trailer for Project
(11:34):
Here Mary and We're back sad news out of video
game worlds, where Microsoft is laying off thousands, thousands bollands
(11:56):
despite a sixteen percent increase in revenue from twenty three
to twenty four. Microsoft is laying off multiple members across
multiple divisions, including gaming.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It is a big, big cut.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Xbox appears to be one of the hardest hit by
the recent rounds of layoffs in the video game world,
and we're seeing that it's you know, disrupted development in
various projects, including the latest.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Perfect Dark, Ever Wild.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
All those things are canceled, as well as numerous unannounced
projects that we're in the works are just gone now.
In other Xbox news, hell Divers too is coming to
Xbox in August. So there's that for all you gamers
out there. But not great in the industry, and get
ready for more of this across every sector as corporations
start trying to figure out how they can use AI.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
To take people's jobs.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
WO.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's what's that's what's happing up next. The first trailer
for Project Hail Mary, the adaptation of the best selling
book by Andy Weer, author of The Martian I have
watched it good trailer. Here's my takes as someone who
just give.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
The take because this has been inspiring a lot of
discourse in the Discord.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Give the warning.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
As someone who has read the book, if you want
to see Project Hail Mary, which is going to be
a wonderful space adventure. If you have not read the
book and you want to see the movie, don't watch
the trailer, or only watch the trailer.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Up to like the last thirty seconds or.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So when you hear the music, get ominous and start
to convey the feeling like, oh, you're about to learn
something because I, in my opinion, there is a huge
plot spoiler in the trailer, and so don't.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
This of course, and the Discord have been very mad
about it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yes, so, but listen, great book, like a wonderful book
about a scientist who is selected really just like an
elementary school teacher who is also a scientist, who gets
selected on a very very dangerous mission light years away
(14:08):
to be sent into space to try and figure out
why our sun is getting progressively dimmer, which will lead
to the extinction of.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
All life on Earth.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The movie stars Ryan Gosling and again looks really fun by.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lord and Miller.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh and it definitely feels like you could.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
This feels like the kind of sci fi that could
have that kind of runaway word of mouth conversation around it,
like the Martian. It will be interesting to see where
this goes. But yes, the trailer has sparked much conversation,
and the general advice is that of Jason, do not
watch the full trailer if you want to go into
(14:51):
this as people go into reading the book. You know,
if you still want to get the surprise, if you
want to get that big twist.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, because huge, huge twist unveiled in the trailer. Okay,
up next.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
A couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Ago, The New York Times had their list of top
one hundred movies of the twenty first century, with picks
by notable actors, directors, and other notable people throughout pop
culture and culture. Written large, and the feature gave readers
the ability to select their own top ten top ten
(15:29):
list of movies of the twenty first century that they
think are the best, and we're going to share ours. Well,
first of all, let's see what movies made it. I'm
going to click on this top ten top one hundred
movies of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Should we just do the top ten or so?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Number one hundred? Super Bad? I don't know if I
agree with that, but sure, Okay, here we go. Here's
the ten Top ten The Social Network Number ten, number nine,
Spirited Away Ooh I Love Number eight, Get Out Yep
number seven, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Spine Number six,
No Country for Old Men Number five, Moonlight Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Moonlight Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Number four, oh Man in the Mood for Love.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I love this movie so much. It's definitely on my life.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
This is the only one that I'm like, oh man,
should this have made my ten?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Number three, There Will Be Blood. Number two, Mulholland Drive.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Crazy Love the Too High, Up to Love That it's
that eye. I like love the movie ten in the Cinema.
I'm like, you guys are crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I absolutely love this film.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Too Hot, Everybody Calmed the funk Down Number one, Parasite Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I like that's how texted unexpected good.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Top ten, Rosie, Would you like to give us your
cud well?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I I did distinctly struggle over this last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Everybody has been sharing their top ten.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I am a I am a movie lover who loves
movies of all eras and all generations, and as it
annoys many people on my letterbox, but I consistently changed
my top four to basically be themed to movies that
I'm loving.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
At the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Oh, I don't have my full top ten because still
I have legit, Like people have been messaging me like, hey,
you're gonna share yours?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
What is it? And I'm like, guys, ten movies is
so hard for me to pick.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
But I will say I will say as I think
that these lists are often like obviously, you feel like
they're released.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Subjective and you're like, how could this be?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But I think like Parasite, Get Out, Moonlight in the
Mood for Love, Spirit Away, like those to me are iconic,
important movies, and I think that this is a rare
list that feels like it actually represents the reality of
the great movies that have come out, rather than like
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you know, those old like American Cinema, American Film Organization
or whatever, and it would always be like number one
is like fucking like birth of a Nation, It's really important.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
This actually feels like.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Hey, listen to the cinematography, guy.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I understand that we're showing the birth of the Klan,
but what about that track Dragon sh Cara weighed one
thousand pounds back then that they had.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I feel like, it's really nice to see a list
like this that was actually convened by people who make movies.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And love movies. So why don't you go? And I
will try and i'll together and lose ten.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay, here's my ten, And there are there are several
movies that I both painfully, regretfully and truthfully left off
just because like, these are the movies that I'm like,
if you come to me and say, do you want
to watch this movie tonight, I'd probably say yes.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And so that's why they're.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I love that. That's the good that's a good way
to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just want to rewatch them.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And in no particular order, here we go Ladybird twenty
Seventeen's later Bird, Children of Men two thousand and six, cool,
Mad Max Fury Road twenty fifteen. Only one of the
best action movies ever made, maybe one of the three
best action movies, maybe one of the two best action
movies ever made. The Royal tann and Bombs Wes Anderson's
best movie in my opinion, Twousy and two. Parasite twenty nineteen,
(19:23):
I think the best movie of the twenty first century
for me, Old Boy two thousand and five. Oh great,
gotta do it, folks, gotta for me, I gotta do it.
No Country two thousand and seven, two thousand and seven,
A big year for me. There will be Blood two
thousand and seven. Mikey Clayt's Michael Clayton two thousand and seven. Listen,
I come on, I overrate this on. I do think
(19:47):
this is one of the great I think this is
a just a criminally underrated movie. And finally, The Social
Network twenty ten. The ones that really hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
To leave out in the mood.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
For love that really hurts, I know on Incredible Moonlight hurt,
h get Out hurt and Spirited Away hurt.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Okay, but this is my list I am.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I will say that a lot of the ones that
I left out, like spirit Away, like get Out, is
just like I can't my heart can't.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I can't do that on a.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Every weekend basically, Okay, I can't think that deeply or
get that like demol have my heart, get that demolished.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We're going to take a quick freak and we'll be
right back. Yeah, we're back.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, give us your list or your partial.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
List, guys, unbelievable. I guess this hits so hard that
Rolling Stone has now done one hundred best Movies of
the twenty first century that they dropped like two days ago.
That's completely different. So I'm kind of loving this competitive listing. Okay,
So mine is basically, I would say, like almost like
(21:08):
variant version of the one by the New York Times,
because there are stuff that I agree there, so I'm
actually putting for me.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I think the best Gibbli movie of.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
The lot of the twenty first century is probably Whisper
of the Heart. I think that movie is unbelievable. It's
not a mia Zachi movie, so very controversial.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I also I'm gonna go for a Park Chamwork movie too,
But I think that Park Chamwork's most recent release that
we've gotten in America, which was Decision to Leave, is
like a fucking masterpiece. And I think if it had
hit at the right time, if it had been promoted properly,
it would have been up there with kind of your
(21:55):
your Fatal Attractions or your kind.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Of erotic thrillers as they were in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
But it's kind of a modernized version. I also love
part I also love in the mood for love, that
would definitely be on there for me. I think I
would probably also be like, I've been looking at like anime.
I'm like, are there any anime releases, for example, like
your Name? If we're putting like a movie kind of
(22:22):
in the vein of a social network, which is a
great movie. But I also think is they're deemed by importance.
I think that it's important to put something like your Name,
which became like one of the first ever American anime
smashes that we'd kind of had in that way. But yeah,
as you can tell, I'm talking around it because guys,
there's like five hundred movies in my head.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I found this very hard too.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
There's a reason I have not posted a list yet.
But what I am loving is the conversation, and I'm
loving to see everyone getting so excited. I would put
Gut actually in my top ten. I remember that being
such an incredible movie. But then I start thinking, and
I'm like, oh wait, but what I actually put Nope,
because I think Nope is like a summer masterpiece on
(23:05):
the level of like Jaws.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Problem.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I start to kind of like, I'm glad, I'm glad
and Glorious Bostard's made it that high in the New
York Times one because I do think that is one
of his, Like Quentin Taranty knows best movie that Crowdy
and Dragon for the movie, I think you know for.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Me too high I'm right now, And part of that
is that I'm currently scrolling to try and find Michael Clayton,
and I don't think.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It makes the hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I'm eighty two now.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I think I'm gonna tell you, guys, if Michael Clayton
is not on this list, you did it's ninety ninety three.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Come on, guys, No, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Another one that could make it onto my list, depending
on how many people So dact by David Fincher.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I fucking lo that movie. That's like the closest that we.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Have been his best movie, perhaps, yes.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And like the closest we've gotten to that kind of
seventies political newsroom thriller that was like such a big
thing back then.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I'm like, yeah, the ordering of this.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I would like to talk to someone at The New
York Times about ordered.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Ninety four ninety three and I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Looking at I'm looking at Fleming, Wolf of Wall Street
down here. I know it's by Martin Scorsese, but that
is not about a movie than Michael Clayton.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Also, let me just say this a Gladiator, a movie
I really like.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I love Gladiator ninety two, two thousand and threes. Master
and Commander, where's that hat? Better movie?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, don't come at me, no.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Jason, come on, Super Yucky has a master and Command
of T shirt range.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
We're mastering Commander.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Love It's it's a better movie.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I mean that all I'll say. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Look, if you're asking me for personals. Phantom Thread, that's
definitely in my top.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
High Yeah, that's high up.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But they put it twenty five.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think that's a bit low compared to some of
those other movies in that top twenty five, I would be.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I am still shut. I'm still shut with Clayton and
that end.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Listen. I love Mulholland Drive number two.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I know. Also, I'll tell you another movie adaptation. Love
that movie.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Spike Jakes definitely up their big Knick Cage fan.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But again, I love Twins.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's I love you love a Twins story. You know
the twin Love, a Little Parent, Trap.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Love An and I also love the kind of nightmarish
reality that adaptation represents, which is like, if you are,
you know, somebody with a high profile, you can do
something like adapt to book and then just make it
completely about yourself and your experience of adapting it, Like
(25:52):
that is one of the most unhinged things, but also
one of the best things. I'm sorry, guys, I'm not
putting Dark Knight in my top ten. I see here
twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm not putting any I'm not putting any. Listen.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think if there is one that reaches for like
great storytelling, great cinema, I think it is the Dark
Knight that said people like Where's Endgame?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Where is this?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Like that it's different in those Again.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Those movies are like my comfort food, but I put
them in a different category, something like this.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
But also I'm still like this is where this kind
of stuff always starts, like annoying me is because I
feel like often we kind of forget the cultural conversations,
and I feel like finally people had started to talk
about Lost in Translation and how Scarlett Hansen was like
eighteen when she made the movie and Bill Murray is
an old ass man, and I feel like, and this
(26:42):
is me coming as someone who The Virgin Suicides by
Sofia Coppola was one of the most formative movies as
a young girl to me, so I am a Sophia fan.
But like, come on, guys, thirty are like, now we're
getting to the point. I mean, you got the depart
on there, but you don't have the original Infernal Affairs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well I want to know, so.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Like, yeah, I mean The Departed is too high for me. Listen,
I love The Departed, but first of all, Infernal Affairs better.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Better, It's better, guys, gotta tell you.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Second of all, I don't know this weird, Like it's
not my favorite Nicholson either. I feel like he's chewing
it up. I don't buy the Boston accent. I think
the texting back and forth scene is which again is
from Infernal Affairs, but is like I think that is
so taut and good and there's some really incredible, like
(27:29):
suspenseful moments, but for me, it's I don't think.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's a top hundred.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I would also say, like, they do have a movie
on here that is one of my favorite movies. And
that me and my friend James used to be like
the biggest We'd always been telling people you gotta watch
this movie is It's called a Prophet is by this
French direct So I love this one of my old
time favorite movies. But this is the motherfucker made a
Melia Peress, so I can't even rep.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But it's profit is really good.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Prophet is, like legit a masterpiece if you want to
watch a movie about the way that the prison system
can kind of trap you into this unending cycle, and
it's so good and it has an incredible performance by
Tahar Rahim, who hilariously would then go on to be
the villain and Madam web which was one of the
most surreal things in my life because I'm bro this
(28:20):
is like an Oscar winning performance, like don't don't be
in Madam Webb. But yeah, I also find it interesting
when these conversations happen that like Everywhere's Anderson movie from
this era is in the thing, you know, like I
think that well, apart from dodge Ling Unlimited, can I
give you one more please?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Wolf of wall Street? Too High, Too High? I'm telling
you for me, it's going to that I enjoy the movie.
I think it's too high. I think it's There's a
There's a Bunch Grand Budapest. It's too High twenty two.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And that's probably my favorite Wes Anderson movie. But you
know what, I.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Agree, it's too high, too high. Also just an interesting
there's gonna. I would love to see the kind of
data around how many of these were picked because of
being in the oscars.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Kind of how do you feel about about movies like
Zone of Interest or Anatomy of Fall that it's it
feels like they just came out, and how you digest
how good they are? I will say Anatomy of Fall
if you haven't seen it, I love the movie that
My wife didn't like it as much as I did,
but I really loved it. And part of what I loved,
(29:27):
especially watching it at home on VOD is pausing every
twenty minutes and going, is this really what the French
legal system is?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Why are there? Why are there fine judges?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Up?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Why does the jury sit with the judge?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Crazy? How come? How come the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Lawyer is like not objecting, They're just letting random people
like the courtroom yell at their at their client.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Okay, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you on
the I think it's too low on this list.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, tell me Anka Jam's fifty eight jobs, so fucking masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Put that in the top fifty at least, please. I
love that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
But yeah, I'm this has been a fun conversation starter,
and I think it's very I'm very interested because just
from scrolling through the Rolling Stone one, which they just
released on July first, there's definitely more.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Michael Clayton is seventy three in that list.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Definitely creeping higher, creeping higher, but they have a little
more of that kind of out there genre stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They got John Wick, they got the host by Bong Juneo.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
They also have Grizzly Man, which is on this list,
the Timothy Treadwell documentary by my love Burner Herzog, but
on the New York Times list it's like one of
the first, like in the top you know, ninety, but
here it's sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Nice. I love that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It definitely really introduced the wider world to Herzog. So
it's interesting to see the different styles. I would also
love to know when when we at IGN, for example,
put together a Best Anime list or Best Villain of
Anime list and those kind of things. There is like
an extensive amount of voting that goes.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Along and then we talk about how what.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Are you know, reasons are and how we go and
we do it and we make sure we're talking to
multiple different people, which they obviously did here. But I
would love to know how the actual like choices were made,
Like was it based just on people's ballots and how
many votes it got?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Was it based on like a tiered ranking system.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Give me a little bit more info on how the
data was arranged New York Times, just because I'm interested
and I love that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
But you know what, I love it when people support movies.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, watch movies.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We go to the movie there, go seeabe. Please.
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