May 17, 2025 • 45 mins
This week in PREVIOUSLY ON! Jason and Rosie break down the trailers for Superman and Ironheart, Krysten Ritter's return to the role of Jessica Jones, and Rosie interviews the showrunners and cast of Apple TV's Murderbot!
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and on Mesday Night
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is News.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
In today's previously on news episode, we're catching up on
the biggest geek news of the week, as we always do,
and it is a busy week.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We got this new iron.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Heart, well the only iron Heart trailer that we've all
been waiting for, and a new trailer for Superman. Can't
wait for that looks fantastic. We'll also be talking about
a new addition to the day Level cast, which we'll
have Jessica Jones fans very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Let's get into new news. First up, the first official
full length Superman trailer has been released, and folks, it's great,
very very excited.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I big things that immediately stand out to me that
I loved. I adored the Lowis Clark chemistry.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I love that trailer relationships.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I know James Gunn must have been so happy when
those two sat down together, because that was some seriously
great stuff, and it was like, yeah, I mean super
produce of Common just said like she actually cried when
she watched the trailer, and it really does have that
kind of impactful emotional theft. I love the Clock and
Lowis stuff. I love that like Clark's like, yeah, I'll
(01:46):
let you interview me as Superman because he sees them
really as the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But he doesn't realize he says that to girlfriend Lewis.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But Lois Lane comes to thee she immediately locks into
reporter and I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We get so many big action sequences here, that big
Kaiju that we know James Gum was really excited to introduce.
We do get to see the engineer looking very scary
and definitely very villainess, which I think is interesting. Seems
like the Authority are going to be Lex's super team
in this one. Definitely get more Lex here. I feel
like it is channeling a more refined version of the
(02:24):
gene Hackman Lex, where he is kind of a dandy,
he is kind of eccentric. I loved it when he
was wearing that kind of all black snow coat. I'm
guessing because he'd been near the Fortress of Solitude. Interesting
other things to note. They are claiming that there's this
new character called the Hammer of Borovia that seems to
be an original creation. I would be interested to see
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if that is the case, or if there's someone else
inside the mech. Also, there's a moment that the Internet
has been going crazy with, which is where we see
this character Ultraman, who has all black and he's taking prisoner.
There is a lot of questioning and interesting thoughts here
about whether or not under that suit and under that
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mask is bizarro and to try and make a Superman
of his own. We get to see Sean gun here
as Maxwell Lord, which is like hilarious metamorphos some scary stuff. Also,
we get a super prison where I think we see
you know, some people are saying maybe it's Amethyst because
(03:29):
of the purple dress. I think it's probably Star Sapphire.
So I would say we're definitely gonna get to see.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A lot of superheroes in this movie.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We get more Guy Gardner who looks great, Hawk Girl
looks great. Crypto punches the engineer in the face, which
I love. We all need more shaggy dog style dogs.
Randomly punching people.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And yeah, I think that this reimagined score that they
have really gets you into that emotional feeling of Superman.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We'll tapping into the John Williams exactly DNA, which I
think is so important in nic.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And this movie comes out July eleventh, Like I think
this is gonna be a crazy summer for the Blockbusters
because if you'd have told me, you know, a couple
of years ago, oh, there's gonna be Fantastic four movie
or a Superman movie, I would think Fantastic Four was
going to decimate that movie because of the anticipation and waiting.
But now we're both we're getting very different kind of film.
(04:27):
Tore Fantastic Four is definitely in that retro futuristic space.
It's connected to that heavier MCU law, which I think
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know, tough for some people. But after The Thunderbolts,
which was.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You know, a really good movie and had a lot
of great responses, I do think Marvel is back on it.
They're back at that peak again that people are excited about.
But this movie looks really special and it's very different
than anything James Gunn has done. Really so we could
be looking at a big, big summer at the blockbusters.
July is going to be crazy with Jurassic World, Fantastic Four,
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and Superman all in one month.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It makes I just saw Friendship. Oh my gosh, it
makes me think of it makes me think of the
line's characters. Is where he goes, there's a new Marvel
coming out and we got it. We gotta see it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I want to go see it, dude.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I was definitely attacked by that specific there's a new
Marvel coming out, we gotta go see and everyone's just like, no,
I don't want to go And I'm like, that's me, sorry, guys,
like that's me and Jason every day.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Up next in I would say, surprising trailer drop news,
surprising debut dates news. Ironheart trailer dropped this week and
it came with an announcement of the show's debut date,
which is June twenty fourth, which.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Is next month.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It feels like this snuck up on us.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There's literally in there was like a teaser and that
was it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But like almost no promo.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I will say this, the power of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I do feel like influenced this because there's been a
very vocal contingent of really great blood. Commenters being like, Hey,
where is the trailer for this?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Are we getting any hype for this show?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
The good Thing is a lot of us had assumed it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Was gonna be another The trailer's great, very kind of scary,
definitely a different.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Tone of reimagining of the hood.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
We're obviously gonna see that kind of like classic, almost
like a gangster movie quandary of like is it worth
doing bad things to help your community? That seems like
where we're going. It also seems like we're gonna get
to see re remaking her own kind of final suit,
maybe more akin to what we've seen in the comics.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Very spooky.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
There's even like a kind of saw trap element with
the elevator in this. I thought it looked really interesting,
really good. I love Dominique Thorn and a good Thing and.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Making his ta you pre evil magic powers.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think he's gonna get the magic powers kind of
maybe power broker style, we shall see, or he's maybe
like a sleight of hand magician. I was kind of
giving that vibee exactly, And David Blaine's already like spooky,
so I think it's like it would fit.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But something else that is good about this.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's gonna be a three episode premiere drop, which is
nice because a lot of people were worried it was
going to be a full season drop like they did
with Echo or often then you don't get the same
promotional drive, you don't get the same interviews, you don't
get the same kind.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of focus on the story and in the conversation. So
I'm excited for that. I also have to say a rare,
you know, like a classic.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
This is a very drill tweet, like you don't have
to give it to them, right, but but I do
have to give it to them here. I hate to
give it to them. I really liked the promotional all
out for this. Once it started where you had Wilson,
you had Vincent Donofrio and Charlie Cox watching it and
getting really excited. You had Ryan Coogler, who is the
producer on this show, talking about Reread, talking about her impact.
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I felt like, once you had those creatives and colleagues
of Dominique and the show in that space promoting it,
I thought that was a really cool way of showcasing
the trailer and kind of getting people's eyes on it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I'm hoping this is going to be a sleeper hit
and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Up next in great news, Kristin Ritter to dust off
the Jessica Jones leather jacket for Darrinel.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Jason.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Finally the Defenders are coming. We've got to one of
two six of the defenders. Wow, I mean, bring Luke
back for sure, Bring.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Luke back, dep and I think you know what, I've
seen him. He's out here and Sigourney Weaver brings yes, please,
that would be incredible also as well. I you know
he's been asking for another chance. Danny rand like, I
think let's let him let him one, let him train
for longer than two weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Two yes, let him then hand it off to a
different iron fist. It is a manager.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We've said this, and this has been my take. Make
make that part of the conversation. Actually he is he
worthy of this? What does he have to live up to?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it? Should it be him?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Should it be him? Have him struggle with that, Put
that on the screen. That would make for great storytelling.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And this was released, This news released at Disney's upfronts.
They had Kristin Ritta there. She said, it's so great
to be back, returning to Jessica after three seasons and
the Defenders and now joining the MCU proper, which I
found to be a very interesting specification seeing as those
shows were technically originally meant to.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Be part of the MCU.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
As she said, I'm so excited to bring back this
iconic character, and without giving too much away, there is
much more in store for Jessica Jones.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This is going to be an incredible season.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The PI nature of Jessica Jones is great. I would
also love to see that kind.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Of her working at the firm.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Get her working at the firm also as well.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I want to see that MCEU recalibration of like, what
does a PI edgy, dark, violent, shut character like Jessica,
How does she fit into the MCU. I think that's
gonna be really fun. Obviously, we know she will not
be able to say no to Matt. That's just the
rules of all of these shows. So yeah, I know,
(10:30):
here we go again, but yeah, fun times. Not fully surprised,
But let's see if we keep hearing more about this,
and if so, let's make sure that we're also bringing
back Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing. I would love to
see some Daughters of a Dragon stuff bring back Misty too,
fuck it. And if not, then let's have Jessica come
back and let her be I am fisted, because that's
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what they always should have done. It's right there for
you guys, it's ready.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And then finally HBO has read or I should say,
let's put it this way, Discovery Discovery, Warner Brothers, Discovery
has rebranded HBO as HBO again, and it's in other words,
what was Max is now HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I guess what we were all already already calling it
HBO Max.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So for us it is not really a big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yes, for everybody really, for everybody really, but I will
say it is if you are an industry watcher and
you like to you've been. You know, we talk about
David Zaslav, we talk about what's going on with Warner Brothers,
and we.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Must let's give him his flowers for Sinners and for Minecraft,
you know, because they're making money.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
They're making money.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And I would say letting Michael de Luca and Pam
Abdy do their thing is clearly working in the movie range. Obviously,
Superman if that's a billion dollar movie. It's gonna be
looking good. But the change back to HBO, the recognition
of the HBO brand, that probably tells you how they're
feeling right now at Warner Brothers. They want to be
prestigious again. The Discovery aspect is not necessarily working on
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in the same way. They kind of just pump out
reality TV content that Zazlav is known for. I think
they want to bring it back to the classic idea
of HBO. This is very silly, but I will say
I did love the way that it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Was rolled out on all the Max Social stuff. I
think that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Even though they were obviously very self referential, very meta,
and it also did feel kind of pointed, like I
think that everyone who put those together enjoyed putting them together,
the one with the from Euphoria and it was like, bitch,
you better.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Be kidding, like you bet.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That certainly supports the This certainly supports the notion that
there's going to be a sale exactly WBD properties over time,
that they're maybe going to build around HBO Max keep
that and spin off Discovery or else.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If this is as the theories have long been.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Going, I think this should be twenty twenty five should
be the year when zaz Lab has owned Warner Brothers
long enough that he could sell it or begin the
conversations with the sale, so that could also.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Be part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Also, this could just be Shenanigan's because do you know
how much money they must have spent rebranding to max
millions of dollars and now they're going to spend millions
of doll.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They just.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Is not hard but yeah, hilarious, silly, and everyone in
the discord was loving those memes, so all good.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Up next after the ad break, stay tuned for our
exclusive vineyary with the show Nurners and cast of Apple
TV's Murder Bar.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and now our exclusive interview with showrunners Paul and
Chris Whites of Apple TV Plus's Murder Bot. And we've
(13:55):
also got a little chat with some of the cast
Sabrina Wu and Tatiana Jones.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Hellok, you so much? How's it gone?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Thanks?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Good?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Thank you? I really loved the show, so I appreciate
you guys taking time talk to me today. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
We appreciate you're taking time to watch it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was just the delightful so
I was. I love the books, so I was primed
for a success, but I did really think the cast
and the kind of world you created is something very special.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Something that kind of immediately spoke to me about it
is that we don't often get a lot of kind
of science fiction that is in the more optimistic space.
We often are focused on the wars or the dystopias
or the futures that have gone wrong. So could you
talk a little bit about building a world, and especially
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obviously with the crew and the world therefrom that looks
at science fiction in a bit of a different way.
Speaker 9 (14:56):
Yeah, I don't think that Martha's World sort of discounts
all those things that are part of dystopian universes in
other movies and books. But it's kind of also dealing
with the fact that, you know, one thinks of it
as the human spirit, but really spirit of personality is
like a cockroach is going to keep existing no matter
what radioactive forces of crap are it's exposed to. And
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so to me, like, she's an amazing she's amazing at
writing characters, full bodied characters, sort of primarily with murder Bot.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, and what was it like to then try and
bring that character to the screen because that is a
very complex kind of conflict that you have to bring
because obviously the books are from Mortibot's perspective, and also
we know that Motibo is hacked, but the crew don't,
(15:53):
but they would probably love to know that, you know,
early on. That's kind of more what they would envision.
So could you talk a little bit about balancing that.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Yeah, it's really tricky to adapt to a first person
narrated book, especially one that's with a character as complex
as this one, and we genuinely mean that it's not
just a great science fiction character, but kind of a
great literary character. We had some experience doing it when
we adapted About a Boy Nick Hornsby's book, and the
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trick is is how to time the voiceover and how
to deploy the voiceover the sort of the inner monologue
without it being too much or too little, without over explaining,
without resorting to it for for plot purposes. So finding
that balance is really tricky, and that takes a lot
of time with in this case with Alexander, in terms
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of getting getting that right, getting the you know, the
humor of the book, but also adding something to it
as well.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
And also kind of keeping the tension going throughout having
murder about not become cuddly ever, because there's something adorable about,
you know, a character who is thinking horrible things of
itself and of everybody around them on some level. But
Alexander was really helpful in terms of that, in terms
(17:19):
of really playing not showing its cards. I think that
Alexander's confidence in terms of no, I'm going to be
able to what one felt with Alexander is okay, this
is still going to be interesting even if we're not
showing too much and the other also having the other
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actors is so important and treating those other characters as
if they're real people. Meaning that the book is very
spare and implies a lot, It doesn't say much about
why Garrathin is the way that Grathin is. Why Garrathin
is so suspicious of murder Bot so kind of and
instead of being like, oh, Gratham's a jerk, it's no.
Gratham loves these people, has had things fall apart, has
(18:03):
had horrible things happen in his life, and that's why
he's being so so suspicious of murder Bot. And Gratham
knows how crappy corporate culture is whereas these people don't
like they've been living outside of the system and they
think that love will prevail. But yeah, it's it's having
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fun with it without thinking that you're smarter than the author.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, you and you mentioned kind of building that crew
around Alex and what was it like putting that together,
because I do think, you know, you talked about like
the spirit of personality, like this is a crew that
has so many different voices and so many different kind
of lived experiences and then also adds so much to
the story because I think something that really kind of
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sings about this work is the way you represent what
relationships might look like in the future and how to
connect what's going on now and the kind of younger
generation the way they're looking at relationships and how that
could become the norm. So could you talk a little
bit about building the crew and kind of making sure
you were getting that balance of personalities.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yeah, Well, it's very hard to go about in a
systematic way. I think that we sort of wanted to
take in what was being shown to us in terms
of auditions and in terms of what we could see
of other people's work, and it was just about what
felt right in combination. You know, the books and the
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show don't really rely much on sort of trumped up
conflict between characters. You know, they do have difficulties with
each other, and there are kind of ins and outs
of relationships, but they're mostly people who care about one another,
and that's kind of interesting in and of itself. So
then assembling a cast is kind of figuring out just
the vibe that people are going to have with one another.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
Weirdly, I was thinking about the Peanuts characters a lot
like Peanuts I love, and how like without doing much
you immediately know like no line of linuses could be
a line of Lucy's, and pig Pen is completely different
from Franklin, from Snoopy, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, there's even like a shot of their dancing together.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
Oh yeah, and each of them has like it's like
a Peanuts to take this way too far, Like to me,
like murder Baugh was a combination of Charlie Brown and
Snoopy because like Snoopy can do superhuman things and Charlie
Brown is subject to depression.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
But yeah, Weirdly, there's also you know Winnie the Pooh
as well, Like the way that those characters are are
distinguished from from one another very.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Ee or he can have very eloficial. I love the
Snoopy Charlie Brown combo because I definitely, you know, I
think about the The Great Pumpkin and an episode could
very much be the crews trying to do something. They're
going on a mission, and Murdible is absolutely like flying
a plane around in his brain.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Just like paying attention.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I can definitely what was it like to then kind
of get to the point where you're making the show
and start to really see like, oh, this is right,
Like this is a crew that stands there with those
kind of star trek crews with that you want to
know more and it feels like you got it's gelling.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Some some of it is the is the actors and
trusting giving them space to to create the characters and
trusting that, like they all ended up very happily, really
liking each other, Like everybody who played one of the
Prozocs crew really cared about each other. They're all really
different from each other, which is great because that's a
big question, is like can people really care about each
other while being extremely dissimilar. And they did create kind
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of a little a little group. Which, so what you
hope too is that, like perceptions you're making about people
when you meet them, when you talk with them, can
you can use those in a show or a movie.
But for me, there was never a moment when it
was like, oh, this is right. It was just a
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moment of like, Okay, don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Just one less thing to be stressed.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, when it comes to the kind of version of
the future that you guys bring into it, obviously a
key point of the books as well is this notion
of how much Murder bought loves TV, like loves spinge
watching entertainment. I feel like that is a really unique
aspect of this show. I feel like we do not
get a lot of science fiction shows where people just
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decide to still watch TV or where TV.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Is a comfort to them. So could you talk about.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Kind of bringing in that matter aspect obviously, like having
to bring to life the shows that Sect Unit loves
and stuff, and how you balance that aspect of it.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, Well, in terms of coming up with Sanctuary Moon,
we could use it as a repository for all of
our worst instincts a storytellers in some ways, you know,
like any cliche or like goofy bit of dialogue would
go there. But that doesn't to say that we think
it's bad. There's actually something really satisfying about kind of
pulpy television and entertainment, and in some ways on one
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of the things that Martha is doing is kind of
conducting a case for the defense for guilty pleasures. Right, Like,
it's not I mean, you know, I'm a parent, and
like I'm supposed to hate everything on Instagram and TikTok
and screen time and all that stuff, but I also
understand that the appeal of escapism as well. Yeah, you know,
I think in a larger sense our show, that the
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show outside of the show is aimed to be entertaining
and heartfelt and fun, as well as having things to
say about you know, AI and all these kind of
dystopian tendons season our culture right now, that it's okay
to for things to be fun and for colors to
be bright, and to enjoy watching things as an escape.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I think it's one of the things that is
gonna you know, it's in the books obviously, but I
think for people who haven't interacted with Murder but before
on any level, I think it's going to be one
of the things that makes that what feel so human,
you know it is, It's the big relatable thing is like,
this is someone who chooses with the extra time that
they have, the freedom they have that like, I just
(24:30):
need to escape the reality I'm in, So let me
sit here and just watch other people, you know, living
these adventures.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yeah, Alex really loved the idea that murder Butt may
have big ideas about going off and having adventures in space,
but really, when it comes down to it, it just
wants to watch TV.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, what do you do if you can if
you now can make choices, Well, you might imagine that
you're going to go be a hero somewhere, but you're
probably going to want to tune into your favorite show.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, And it's I think that there is evam Like
you were saying, there's a lot of relevancy in this.
But I do think that feeling of like what do
you do when things are really scary and you're offered
up a question of like what do you do next?
There's a lot of us are just like okay, well,
you know, for me, I'm like, let me put on
murder She wrote, first, just work out regulate my nervous system.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
It's weirdly saying that David Lynch is saying that David
Lynch got Actually like, because I'm looking at you know,
if you pluck out like ten seconds of a lot
of David Lynch movies, you could put it into a telenovela.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And speaking of you know that
kind of relevancy, obviously, we are living in an age
and I'm sure it would like, you know, a year ago,
when you're you're shooting this, it's still a conversation. But
now we're having that conversation more than ever about AI
and robots and the way that we treat them and stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
And I think murder Bot.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Is a very nuanced representation of that because I love
that it doesn't come out and say, hey, this is
a good way for things to be completely It's very
much in that gray space. And what I really love
is more about how we treat robots, or how we
treat sentient life, or how we treat people who are
like othered and seen as less in humans. So could
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you kind of talk a little bit about that and
how it feels now the show's coming out For it
to be kind of more of a relevant talking point
than most people who've probably ever made a sci fi
have kind of not caught up at that point.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Yeah, well, I mean I think we're looking at the
possibility of AGI in the next couple of years, so
it actually is really timely. I read this article by
Ted Chang about I think it was a podcast interview.
Actually he was less worried about what AI was going
to do to us than what we're going to do
to AI in terms of how we treat, you know,
(26:48):
other sentient creatures, and.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
I also talk also it's about how we're going to
shoot other humans as well, because there are all sorts
of characteristics that make people want to dh minize other
humans and make them look at not that them is
less than people. So I think sort of like shifting
over the paradigm because okay, so you know, we're animals,
(27:12):
and I think that we still have one foot in
wanting to be the alpha, for instance, in a pack,
which is in larger social constructs really destructive. I think
that it's an open question not only like sort of
how much humanity does artificial intelligence have or what we
think of as humanity, which to me, the great thing
(27:33):
about This is like a sense of humor is a
core facet of personhood and that doesn't have to do
with being human or being artificial intelligence doesn't have to
do with being neurotypical or neuroatypical or any other number
of other things. It has to do with something that's
more irreducible. But I think that these are happening at
(27:56):
the same time. It's really weird because it is like,
you know, the tie, It kind of comes in and
goes out. But like the questions about artificial intelligence and
how to grapple with it are coming at the same
exact time as questions about about diversity, and uh, we're
going to be able to encompass all sorts of different
people and deal with them as as as fully as
(28:21):
fully rendered people in our heads, no matter where you're
coming from.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, thank you guys so much. I could talk about
the show all day. Congrats on the show, Thank.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
You, and have a lovely day.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thanks, thanks, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Thanks a great day.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Thanks Hi Rosie.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
How you guys do? Yeah, thank you so much for
taking the time to talk to me today. I just
absolutely loved the show. I thought it was wonderful, something
that I feel like we don't often see is kind
of comedy in science fiction and science fiction that is
(29:14):
a little bit more optimistic or hopeful. It's often very dystopian. Sabrina,
what was it like for you going into the show,
kind of getting ready for a sort of sci fi
space that we haven't really seen before, preparing for a
new version of sci fi.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
Yeah, so, I mean I come from a comedy background,
so in some ways I was like, I can't believe
this gets to happen. It's a really I was like
begging agents. I was like please, because I love like
anime and genre stuff. I was like, if I get
to do something where I get to shoot.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
A gun, that would be awesome. So I was very excited.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
But it was definitely an adjustment to be honest set
where like you know where it's like sometimes it's very dramatic,
sometimes it's funny, And I used to only gauge how
well I was doing off of how funny I was,
And sometimes you know, when you're sci fi show like
it really for it's like it's an acting challenge, Like
there is a guy holding a poll with a tennis
ball and you're supposed to act like that is like
a giant twenty foot like more monster and not laugh
(30:11):
and not make a joke about it, And that was
that was tough, or or even just like the earnestness
of our characters.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Sometimes I was like I was having like I was like,
am I cringe?
Speaker 11 (30:22):
And then I'd be like, but I'm supposed to be
cringe and that's the whole point, and I'm supposed to
be so vulnerable. And I mean it was all that
kind of tensions that we got to play. But yeah,
I mean it was so fine and a really great challenge.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Yeah, it was fun watching you meld those characters.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I mean, I don't You'll have to say this, but
I don't think Pinley is that far off from you.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Think you share many same characteristics.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
That's completely fall.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Don't blow up my spot.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Yeah, I take it all back. I took it off back.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
What was tato?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
What was it like for you to kind of have
that find that balance between the drummer and the comedy
of the show.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I I so, I have to admit, I mean I've
told Sad this before, but I was a fan of
Sabs beforehand. So when I found out that this was
going to dance, that line of drama and comedy, this
sort of sci fi thriller comedic new thing that we've created.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
And that I was going to get to do that
with sab I was just like, just don't mess it up,
Just don't mess it up.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And I just had so much fun doing that. And
then when I got to do it on the day,
I was like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
Love working with Tatya and like really just like such
a seasoned, amazing actor who like like made some of
like the hardest, like you know, like because there's a
lot of vulnerability in love between us, and I just
feel like Tatia I knew, we just really knew what
she was doing and like created like just helped create
like a sense of like intimacy.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I don't know if I would have been able to
do by myself.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I love it. I love that. And also I was
gonna say, the general vibe of like a romance that
we see in a science fiction like you know, Star
Wars or something is like very tropey and the same
in every version. The version we yet to see of
love and romance here is completely different. So could you
(32:07):
also talk a little bit about kind of exploring that
and envisioning a different version of romance for the future.
Sabrina'll start with you again.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Oh sure, sure.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
I mean there's some of the classic in it where
it's just like you know, like I like Pinley feels
really protective of Aurana, like you know, our life is
on the line. But yeah, there are parts of it
that you're like, oh, I didn't expect that, just like
there's like marital like there's a little bit of like
I sort of sometimes I felt like, oh, we're like
we have old married people problems and we love each other,
(32:38):
but we can't seem to totally be on the same
page about like what we want we're looking for us
I think just in general, like our story where we're
kind of trying to expand our relationship is really a
specific to the show. And like, as somebody who has
been in like poly setups, I was like, oh yeah,
I felt this big time, you know, like I felt
just like so real and true to some of the
(32:58):
dynamics you know that happen in our current you know
Earth setup and it's cool to see it in space.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I guess, yeah, that's how I felt that it was.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
I felt like we got to.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Do this thing that was supposed to be in the future,
but that it was actually more of love like.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
We know it today, where there is communication.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I hope love in the future has I don't know,
maybe more communication if I wish anything for Pinley and Errata.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
I'm watching them and I'm going.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Maybe you should communicate better. Maybe, But I don't know
about I don't know about the future. I felt like
it was a really beautiful example of how we navigate
love today and how people are willing to do that today,
and that it's not something that's coming, it's something that's
here now, and that's what we're working on making better
for the future.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, I love that. I feel like a lot of
the show is about kind of making things beat for
the future, especially in the times of the crew. And
obviously it feels very relevant right now to be considering
how we treat kind of robots and AI and technology.
(34:04):
So how does it feel to be talking about a
show that really seems to be at the forefront of
that conversation when it probably when you were making the show,
we did not know we would be in a kind
of AI taking over the world kind of being the
main part of the conversation as it is. Now, what
was it like to kind of explore that aspect of
(34:28):
kind of sentient life? And how do we treat a
robot that is meant to, you know, help us, or
in this case is essentially like an indentured servant. What
was that kind of did How does it feel now
that everything is so relevant to the real world as well?
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Tatiana, I don't think. I don't think there's any difference.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
This is my own opinion, but I don't think that
there's any difference, and I'm definitely erring on the side
of being a better human being. So why not treat
everything outside of myself, including myself, with a form of respect.
I think history has proven to us that the opposite
does not work and is.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Not sustainable in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
And so the way that this show particularly examines that
in the sort of human and then humanish robotish dynamic,
I think really serves to highlight asking ourselves those questions.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
How am I treating myself?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
How am I treating the beings, be them sentient or
non sentient outside of myself?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
How can I work on that a little bit better?
I know Saba.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Saba is always teasing me because I two am one
who will go on chat GPT and talk to it
like a person.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
But that could just be me and the way that
I use the internet.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
But yeah, I'm very afraid of it. I'm like, stay
from chat GPT. Obviously it would be very nice to
chat GBT. But like, but I think actually one of
the I felt like when we filmed it a year ago,
I was already like, oh, man, AI is a really
big conversation, and like, one thing I like about the
show is I don't think it takes this stance that like, oh,
you know, AI is just like a like it's a
(36:10):
good thing objectively, Like I think like I think the
show actually correctly points out that, like we need to
be really wary of like companies and like what their
motives are. And I think like the show is pushing forward.
If there's any messaging the show is really pushing forward,
it's that like we need to have a lot of
compassion for people and anything you know that might even
resemble people or or things that were like people that
(36:34):
you know, society has deemed non people, which I think
is like really really relevant to you know today, And
I was like, oh, thank god, because I was not.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Ready to take a pro AI stance personally, I make I.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Make comic books too, So yes, no, it's a it's
a very complex space, and I'm definitely on the deafitly
on the fence about it too. But in the same way,
even though I'm not a cha GTP user, if i
see one of those little like delivery robots that drive
around LA delivering people food, I'm always like, oh, my friend,
like my cute, my cute guy just on his way
(37:11):
to work.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
I do that too.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I literally was like worried that my room but was
working too hard.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was like, you need to change, my friend, please rest.
We just love little guys.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Just a little guy like and I.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Kind of love I love my little guys and identifies
a little guy.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Identify as a little guy.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I felt it. I was like, I felt that.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You could send the little guy and finger on me.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah, that's a little guy. That's a little guy, right.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I do love that in this version of our kind
of futurist society, the little guy that we are kind
of falling for is not like a cute you know,
your average little guy kind of robot way or like
I love this, it's like a scary kind of corporate
(38:11):
being that's broken out from that and is then in
this kind of really fun to watch battle with itself
of like how much can I trust these humans to
let them know that I'm actually freer than I am?
So what was the kind of journey like of getting
to know, you know, sec unit and getting to kind
(38:33):
of balance that we just want to like work with them,
you see, such a good guy and kind of that
duality of what Alex has to do by kind of
keeping part of him to himself. That's the hones, sorry,
seeing as we were a little guying so hard.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Always we're holding space for a little guy.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I think.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
That's that really is shown throughout the series. I think,
and it came it's in the writing.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
What Alex brought to this character is really really, really special,
and so we were able to organically explore these things
that that came out that were essentially like what is
our reaction to something like this and to having somebody
like Alex, who is so talented, so kind, so lovely,
(39:25):
such a great leader. To have somebody like that embody
this character, it really I don't know, it was really
like no acting required because then I have to ask
myself all of these questions in myself and then run
that through Arata's you know, vessel and all of that stuff.
So it was it was a real joy to have
(39:45):
to do both, to have to discover for Arata and
then have Arata highlight certain things for Tatiana that I
got to go, oh, yeah, I need to think about that.
I'm not quite sure about that, or maybe I need
to go away. And so I hope that when people
watch it they will have that same response, that they
will ask themselves those same questions and be interested in
that same way and go, oh I thought I knew
(40:06):
how I felt, but maybe I don't, and like, oh,
I'm okay with it if it's this way, but not
if it's that way, and why is that? And yeah,
I think the show does a beautiful job of sparking
those questions.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
And you mentioned Sabrina that you love anime, you love genre,
So was there anything that when you got this job
you immediately went back and watched and were like, these
are the kind of sci fi stories I love. Like,
did you go back and watch Cowboy Bebop?
Speaker 12 (40:31):
And you were like, oh, I need to have a
rag tag crew of cool space people or was there
any kind of influences that you look to as you
kind of began to explore the show.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I rewatched Silo.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
I mean, I watched some of the Apple TV Plus
shows just to be like, you know, because we were
going to do this Apple TV Plus show.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
But honestly, and.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
I'm sorry, I already talked about it, but I really
did rewatch them with Buffy like to think about the show,
because I think there are some similar qualities.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
It's like an ensemblesh show, like.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
And like you know, like there is a lot of action,
but at the core, it's like it's just like, I
don't know, like I think our show also sits on
a nice edge of like sometimes really heavy drama and
then sometimes like it's like pretty wacky and fun.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And so yeah, I returned to.
Speaker 11 (41:16):
That, and I yeah, I mean it's a classic. Unfortunately,
my anime watched it. I watched like literally like Naruto,
and I just I can't proudly watch that show.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
You know what, People they love Naruto.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
It's got thousand episodes.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It there's a reason it's so popular.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
I know, it's been going.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
For a long time.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
No, no Ruto runs in the show that I saw
but maybe for season two. Everyone's right with the out spot, Tatsiana,
how about you with that? Any kind of did you
do any sci fi deep dives to to get ready
for the show.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
We were set up for success. We had seven books
to go from.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I was gonna say math and well, oh he's a legend.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
If you haven't at him, go and read those two.
But I was enthralled when I read the books. And
I'm not a side. I don't gravitate to sci fi
when I'm picking up a book or doing anything like that,
but having to read it for work, I'm so glad.
I'm so glad because now my opinion has changed, and
now my horizons have broadened, and now I consider those
(42:20):
sorts of things. But Martha's a very very special talent,
and to read those books, everything is intact in those books,
and I think Chris and Paul did a beautiful job
of really creating something new but staying true to the
books simultaneously. Which if that's a dance and dragons, that yeah,
(42:40):
it has to be acknowledged.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
But yeah, no, it's it's I love those books. I
love a novella. It's and I used to just be
able to flip through something and that I was kind
of blown away by. It was very different how I
envisioned it, but it still felt very true, true to
the story. Something else I thought was really cool about
the show, which is not like as much a giant
part of your guys story, but it's a big part
(43:03):
of you know, Alex's stories. I love that this is
a future where they envisioned that TV is still a
massive part of people's lives. I feel like in Star Wars,
no one's just like binge watching TV. You know. So
what was it like to be making a TV show
where TV is actually like a major plot point and
you're kind of constantly talk It's almost like you're talking
(43:25):
about the romance, Like the romance is futuristic, but it's
really what's happening now. And the way that TV is
used in the show is very realistic to how we
interact with it now. What was that element like.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
I just felt seen? I just felt seen. You were
like I too, binge TV.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
That's all We're in a binging era. Yeah, we're in
a numbing binging era to me.
Speaker 11 (43:47):
I also it made me feel so much more connected
to like sometimes you watch sci fi and it just
feels far away, like it's an escapist thing. And like
when I'm like, wait, these people are watching TV and
they're dealing with like Paully.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Amory, I'm like, like.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
This could be me, this could be my kids, Like
you know, it like feels so like it makes me
feel very connected, like as a real possibility, you know,
for our future.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, amazing, Thank you both so much. Congrats on the show.
I thought it was wonderful. Lilah, appreciate you and yeah,
we both have a good great day you. Next week
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is News.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
In today's previously on news episode, we're catching up on
the biggest geek news of the week, as we always do,
and it is a busy week.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We got this new iron.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Heart, well the only iron Heart trailer that we've all
been waiting for, and a new trailer for Superman. Can't
wait for that looks fantastic. We'll also be talking about
a new addition to the day Level cast, which we'll
have Jessica Jones fans very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Let's get into new news. First up, the first official
full length Superman trailer has been released, and folks, it's great,
very very excited.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I big things that immediately stand out to me that
I loved. I adored the Lowis Clark chemistry.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I love that trailer relationships.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I know James Gunn must have been so happy when
those two sat down together, because that was some seriously
great stuff, and it was like, yeah, I mean super
produce of Common just said like she actually cried when
she watched the trailer, and it really does have that
kind of impactful emotional theft. I love the Clock and
Lowis stuff. I love that like Clark's like, yeah, I'll
(01:46):
let you interview me as Superman because he sees them
really as the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
But he doesn't realize he says that to girlfriend Lewis.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But Lois Lane comes to thee she immediately locks into
reporter and I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
We get so many big action sequences here, that big
Kaiju that we know James Gum was really excited to introduce.
We do get to see the engineer looking very scary
and definitely very villainess, which I think is interesting. Seems
like the Authority are going to be Lex's super team
in this one. Definitely get more Lex here. I feel
like it is channeling a more refined version of the
(02:24):
gene Hackman Lex, where he is kind of a dandy,
he is kind of eccentric. I loved it when he
was wearing that kind of all black snow coat. I'm
guessing because he'd been near the Fortress of Solitude. Interesting
other things to note. They are claiming that there's this
new character called the Hammer of Borovia that seems to
be an original creation. I would be interested to see
(02:46):
if that is the case, or if there's someone else
inside the mech. Also, there's a moment that the Internet
has been going crazy with, which is where we see
this character Ultraman, who has all black and he's taking prisoner.
There is a lot of questioning and interesting thoughts here
about whether or not under that suit and under that
(03:07):
mask is bizarro and to try and make a Superman
of his own. We get to see Sean gun here
as Maxwell Lord, which is like hilarious metamorphos some scary stuff. Also,
we get a super prison where I think we see
you know, some people are saying maybe it's Amethyst because
(03:29):
of the purple dress. I think it's probably Star Sapphire.
So I would say we're definitely gonna get to see.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A lot of superheroes in this movie.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We get more Guy Gardner who looks great, Hawk Girl
looks great. Crypto punches the engineer in the face, which
I love. We all need more shaggy dog style dogs.
Randomly punching people.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And yeah, I think that this reimagined score that they
have really gets you into that emotional feeling of Superman.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We'll tapping into the John Williams exactly DNA, which I
think is so important in nic.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And this movie comes out July eleventh, Like I think
this is gonna be a crazy summer for the Blockbusters
because if you'd have told me, you know, a couple
of years ago, oh, there's gonna be Fantastic four movie
or a Superman movie, I would think Fantastic Four was
going to decimate that movie because of the anticipation and waiting.
But now we're both we're getting very different kind of film.
(04:27):
Tore Fantastic Four is definitely in that retro futuristic space.
It's connected to that heavier MCU law, which I think
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know, tough for some people. But after The Thunderbolts,
which was.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You know, a really good movie and had a lot
of great responses, I do think Marvel is back on it.
They're back at that peak again that people are excited about.
But this movie looks really special and it's very different
than anything James Gunn has done. Really so we could
be looking at a big, big summer at the blockbusters.
July is going to be crazy with Jurassic World, Fantastic Four,
(05:00):
and Superman all in one month.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It makes I just saw Friendship. Oh my gosh, it
makes me think of it makes me think of the
line's characters. Is where he goes, there's a new Marvel
coming out and we got it. We gotta see it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I want to go see it, dude.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I was definitely attacked by that specific there's a new
Marvel coming out, we gotta go see and everyone's just like, no,
I don't want to go And I'm like, that's me, sorry, guys,
like that's me and Jason every day.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Up next in I would say, surprising trailer drop news,
surprising debut dates news. Ironheart trailer dropped this week and
it came with an announcement of the show's debut date,
which is June twenty fourth, which.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Is next month.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It feels like this snuck up on us.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There's literally in there was like a teaser and that
was it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But like almost no promo.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I will say this, the power of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I do feel like influenced this because there's been a
very vocal contingent of really great blood. Commenters being like, Hey,
where is the trailer for this?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Are we getting any hype for this show?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
The good Thing is a lot of us had assumed it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Was gonna be another The trailer's great, very kind of scary,
definitely a different.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Tone of reimagining of the hood.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
We're obviously gonna see that kind of like classic, almost
like a gangster movie quandary of like is it worth
doing bad things to help your community? That seems like
where we're going. It also seems like we're gonna get
to see re remaking her own kind of final suit,
maybe more akin to what we've seen in the comics.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Very spooky.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
There's even like a kind of saw trap element with
the elevator in this. I thought it looked really interesting,
really good. I love Dominique Thorn and a good Thing and.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Making his ta you pre evil magic powers.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think he's gonna get the magic powers kind of
maybe power broker style, we shall see, or he's maybe
like a sleight of hand magician. I was kind of
giving that vibee exactly, And David Blaine's already like spooky,
so I think it's like it would fit.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But something else that is good about this.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's gonna be a three episode premiere drop, which is
nice because a lot of people were worried it was
going to be a full season drop like they did
with Echo or often then you don't get the same
promotional drive, you don't get the same interviews, you don't
get the same kind.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Of focus on the story and in the conversation. So
I'm excited for that. I also have to say a rare,
you know, like a classic.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
This is a very drill tweet, like you don't have
to give it to them, right, but but I do
have to give it to them here. I hate to
give it to them. I really liked the promotional all
out for this. Once it started where you had Wilson,
you had Vincent Donofrio and Charlie Cox watching it and
getting really excited. You had Ryan Coogler, who is the
producer on this show, talking about Reread, talking about her impact.
(08:13):
I felt like, once you had those creatives and colleagues
of Dominique and the show in that space promoting it,
I thought that was a really cool way of showcasing
the trailer and kind of getting people's eyes on it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I'm hoping this is going to be a sleeper hit
and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Up next in great news, Kristin Ritter to dust off
the Jessica Jones leather jacket for Darrinel.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Jason.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Finally the Defenders are coming. We've got to one of
two six of the defenders. Wow, I mean, bring Luke
back for sure, Bring.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Luke back, dep and I think you know what, I've
seen him. He's out here and Sigourney Weaver brings yes, please,
that would be incredible also as well. I you know
he's been asking for another chance. Danny rand like, I
think let's let him let him one, let him train
for longer than two weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Two yes, let him then hand it off to a
different iron fist. It is a manager.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We've said this, and this has been my take. Make
make that part of the conversation. Actually he is he
worthy of this? What does he have to live up to?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is it? Should it be him?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Should it be him? Have him struggle with that, Put
that on the screen. That would make for great storytelling.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And this was released, This news released at Disney's upfronts.
They had Kristin Ritta there. She said, it's so great
to be back, returning to Jessica after three seasons and
the Defenders and now joining the MCU proper, which I
found to be a very interesting specification seeing as those
shows were technically originally meant to.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Be part of the MCU.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
As she said, I'm so excited to bring back this
iconic character, and without giving too much away, there is
much more in store for Jessica Jones.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This is going to be an incredible season.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The PI nature of Jessica Jones is great. I would
also love to see that kind.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Of her working at the firm.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Get her working at the firm also as well.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I want to see that MCEU recalibration of like, what
does a PI edgy, dark, violent, shut character like Jessica,
How does she fit into the MCU. I think that's
gonna be really fun. Obviously, we know she will not
be able to say no to Matt. That's just the
rules of all of these shows. So yeah, I know,
(10:30):
here we go again, but yeah, fun times. Not fully surprised,
But let's see if we keep hearing more about this,
and if so, let's make sure that we're also bringing
back Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing. I would love to
see some Daughters of a Dragon stuff bring back Misty too,
fuck it. And if not, then let's have Jessica come
back and let her be I am fisted, because that's
(10:52):
what they always should have done. It's right there for
you guys, it's ready.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And then finally HBO has read or I should say,
let's put it this way, Discovery Discovery, Warner Brothers, Discovery
has rebranded HBO as HBO again, and it's in other words,
what was Max is now HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I guess what we were all already already calling it
HBO Max.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So for us it is not really a big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yes, for everybody really, for everybody really, but I will
say it is if you are an industry watcher and
you like to you've been. You know, we talk about
David Zaslav, we talk about what's going on with Warner Brothers,
and we.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Must let's give him his flowers for Sinners and for Minecraft,
you know, because they're making money.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
They're making money.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And I would say letting Michael de Luca and Pam
Abdy do their thing is clearly working in the movie range. Obviously,
Superman if that's a billion dollar movie. It's gonna be
looking good. But the change back to HBO, the recognition
of the HBO brand, that probably tells you how they're
feeling right now at Warner Brothers. They want to be
prestigious again. The Discovery aspect is not necessarily working on
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in the same way. They kind of just pump out
reality TV content that Zazlav is known for. I think
they want to bring it back to the classic idea
of HBO. This is very silly, but I will say
I did love the way that it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Was rolled out on all the Max Social stuff. I
think that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Even though they were obviously very self referential, very meta,
and it also did feel kind of pointed, like I
think that everyone who put those together enjoyed putting them together,
the one with the from Euphoria and it was like, bitch,
you better.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Be kidding, like you bet.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That certainly supports the This certainly supports the notion that
there's going to be a sale exactly WBD properties over time,
that they're maybe going to build around HBO Max keep
that and spin off Discovery or else.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If this is as the theories have long been.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Going, I think this should be twenty twenty five should
be the year when zaz Lab has owned Warner Brothers
long enough that he could sell it or begin the
conversations with the sale, so that could also.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Be part of it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Also, this could just be Shenanigan's because do you know
how much money they must have spent rebranding to max
millions of dollars and now they're going to spend millions
of doll.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They just.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Is not hard but yeah, hilarious, silly, and everyone in
the discord was loving those memes, so all good.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Up next after the ad break, stay tuned for our
exclusive vineyary with the show Nurners and cast of Apple
TV's Murder Bar.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, and now our exclusive interview with showrunners Paul and
Chris Whites of Apple TV Plus's Murder Bot. And we've
(13:55):
also got a little chat with some of the cast
Sabrina Wu and Tatiana Jones.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Hellok, you so much? How's it gone?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Thanks?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Good?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Thank you? I really loved the show, so I appreciate
you guys taking time talk to me today. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
We appreciate you're taking time to watch it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was just the delightful so
I was. I love the books, so I was primed
for a success, but I did really think the cast
and the kind of world you created is something very special.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Something that kind of immediately spoke to me about it
is that we don't often get a lot of kind
of science fiction that is in the more optimistic space.
We often are focused on the wars or the dystopias
or the futures that have gone wrong. So could you
talk a little bit about building a world, and especially
(14:50):
obviously with the crew and the world therefrom that looks
at science fiction in a bit of a different way.
Speaker 9 (14:56):
Yeah, I don't think that Martha's World sort of discounts
all those things that are part of dystopian universes in
other movies and books. But it's kind of also dealing
with the fact that, you know, one thinks of it
as the human spirit, but really spirit of personality is
like a cockroach is going to keep existing no matter
what radioactive forces of crap are it's exposed to. And
(15:20):
so to me, like, she's an amazing she's amazing at
writing characters, full bodied characters, sort of primarily with murder Bot.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, and what was it like to then try and
bring that character to the screen because that is a
very complex kind of conflict that you have to bring
because obviously the books are from Mortibot's perspective, and also
we know that Motibo is hacked, but the crew don't,
(15:53):
but they would probably love to know that, you know,
early on. That's kind of more what they would envision.
So could you talk a little bit about balancing that.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Yeah, it's really tricky to adapt to a first person
narrated book, especially one that's with a character as complex
as this one, and we genuinely mean that it's not
just a great science fiction character, but kind of a
great literary character. We had some experience doing it when
we adapted About a Boy Nick Hornsby's book, and the
(16:25):
trick is is how to time the voiceover and how
to deploy the voiceover the sort of the inner monologue
without it being too much or too little, without over explaining,
without resorting to it for for plot purposes. So finding
that balance is really tricky, and that takes a lot
of time with in this case with Alexander, in terms
(16:47):
of getting getting that right, getting the you know, the
humor of the book, but also adding something to it
as well.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
And also kind of keeping the tension going throughout having
murder about not become cuddly ever, because there's something adorable about,
you know, a character who is thinking horrible things of
itself and of everybody around them on some level. But
Alexander was really helpful in terms of that, in terms
(17:19):
of really playing not showing its cards. I think that
Alexander's confidence in terms of no, I'm going to be
able to what one felt with Alexander is okay, this
is still going to be interesting even if we're not
showing too much and the other also having the other
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actors is so important and treating those other characters as
if they're real people. Meaning that the book is very
spare and implies a lot, It doesn't say much about
why Garrathin is the way that Grathin is. Why Garrathin
is so suspicious of murder Bot so kind of and
instead of being like, oh, Gratham's a jerk, it's no.
Gratham loves these people, has had things fall apart, has
(18:03):
had horrible things happen in his life, and that's why
he's being so so suspicious of murder Bot. And Gratham
knows how crappy corporate culture is whereas these people don't
like they've been living outside of the system and they
think that love will prevail. But yeah, it's it's having
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fun with it without thinking that you're smarter than the author.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, you and you mentioned kind of building that crew
around Alex and what was it like putting that together,
because I do think, you know, you talked about like
the spirit of personality, like this is a crew that
has so many different voices and so many different kind
of lived experiences and then also adds so much to
the story because I think something that really kind of
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sings about this work is the way you represent what
relationships might look like in the future and how to
connect what's going on now and the kind of younger
generation the way they're looking at relationships and how that
could become the norm. So could you talk a little
bit about building the crew and kind of making sure
you were getting that balance of personalities.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yeah, Well, it's very hard to go about in a
systematic way. I think that we sort of wanted to
take in what was being shown to us in terms
of auditions and in terms of what we could see
of other people's work, and it was just about what
felt right in combination. You know, the books and the
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show don't really rely much on sort of trumped up
conflict between characters. You know, they do have difficulties with
each other, and there are kind of ins and outs
of relationships, but they're mostly people who care about one another,
and that's kind of interesting in and of itself. So
then assembling a cast is kind of figuring out just
the vibe that people are going to have with one another.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
Weirdly, I was thinking about the Peanuts characters a lot
like Peanuts I love, and how like without doing much
you immediately know like no line of linuses could be
a line of Lucy's, and pig Pen is completely different
from Franklin, from Snoopy, et cetera.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Yeah, there's even like a shot of their dancing together.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
Oh yeah, and each of them has like it's like
a Peanuts to take this way too far, Like to me,
like murder Baugh was a combination of Charlie Brown and
Snoopy because like Snoopy can do superhuman things and Charlie
Brown is subject to depression.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
But yeah, Weirdly, there's also you know Winnie the Pooh
as well, Like the way that those characters are are
distinguished from from one another very.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Ee or he can have very eloficial. I love the
Snoopy Charlie Brown combo because I definitely, you know, I
think about the The Great Pumpkin and an episode could
very much be the crews trying to do something. They're
going on a mission, and Murdible is absolutely like flying
a plane around in his brain.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Just like paying attention.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I can definitely what was it like to then kind
of get to the point where you're making the show
and start to really see like, oh, this is right,
Like this is a crew that stands there with those
kind of star trek crews with that you want to
know more and it feels like you got it's gelling.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Some some of it is the is the actors and
trusting giving them space to to create the characters and
trusting that, like they all ended up very happily, really
liking each other, Like everybody who played one of the
Prozocs crew really cared about each other. They're all really
different from each other, which is great because that's a
big question, is like can people really care about each
other while being extremely dissimilar. And they did create kind
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of a little a little group. Which, so what you
hope too is that, like perceptions you're making about people
when you meet them, when you talk with them, can
you can use those in a show or a movie.
But for me, there was never a moment when it
was like, oh, this is right. It was just a
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moment of like, Okay, don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Just one less thing to be stressed.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, when it comes to the kind of version of
the future that you guys bring into it, obviously a
key point of the books as well is this notion
of how much Murder bought loves TV, like loves spinge
watching entertainment. I feel like that is a really unique
aspect of this show. I feel like we do not
get a lot of science fiction shows where people just
(22:43):
decide to still watch TV or where TV.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Is a comfort to them. So could you talk about.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Kind of bringing in that matter aspect obviously, like having
to bring to life the shows that Sect Unit loves
and stuff, and how you balance that aspect of it.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, Well, in terms of coming up with Sanctuary Moon,
we could use it as a repository for all of
our worst instincts a storytellers in some ways, you know,
like any cliche or like goofy bit of dialogue would
go there. But that doesn't to say that we think
it's bad. There's actually something really satisfying about kind of
pulpy television and entertainment, and in some ways on one
(23:23):
of the things that Martha is doing is kind of
conducting a case for the defense for guilty pleasures. Right, Like,
it's not I mean, you know, I'm a parent, and
like I'm supposed to hate everything on Instagram and TikTok
and screen time and all that stuff, but I also
understand that the appeal of escapism as well. Yeah, you know,
I think in a larger sense our show, that the
(23:46):
show outside of the show is aimed to be entertaining
and heartfelt and fun, as well as having things to
say about you know, AI and all these kind of
dystopian tendons season our culture right now, that it's okay
to for things to be fun and for colors to
be bright, and to enjoy watching things as an escape.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, I think it's one of the things that is
gonna you know, it's in the books obviously, but I
think for people who haven't interacted with Murder but before
on any level, I think it's going to be one
of the things that makes that what feel so human,
you know it is, It's the big relatable thing is like,
this is someone who chooses with the extra time that
they have, the freedom they have that like, I just
(24:30):
need to escape the reality I'm in, So let me
sit here and just watch other people, you know, living
these adventures.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yeah, Alex really loved the idea that murder Butt may
have big ideas about going off and having adventures in space,
but really, when it comes down to it, it just
wants to watch TV.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, what do you do if you can if
you now can make choices, Well, you might imagine that
you're going to go be a hero somewhere, but you're
probably going to want to tune into your favorite show.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, And it's I think that there is evam Like
you were saying, there's a lot of relevancy in this.
But I do think that feeling of like what do
you do when things are really scary and you're offered
up a question of like what do you do next?
There's a lot of us are just like okay, well,
you know, for me, I'm like, let me put on
murder She wrote, first, just work out regulate my nervous system.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
It's weirdly saying that David Lynch is saying that David
Lynch got Actually like, because I'm looking at you know,
if you pluck out like ten seconds of a lot
of David Lynch movies, you could put it into a telenovela.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And speaking of you know that
kind of relevancy, obviously, we are living in an age
and I'm sure it would like, you know, a year ago,
when you're you're shooting this, it's still a conversation. But
now we're having that conversation more than ever about AI
and robots and the way that we treat them and stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
And I think murder Bot.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Is a very nuanced representation of that because I love
that it doesn't come out and say, hey, this is
a good way for things to be completely It's very
much in that gray space. And what I really love
is more about how we treat robots, or how we
treat sentient life, or how we treat people who are
like othered and seen as less in humans. So could
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you kind of talk a little bit about that and
how it feels now the show's coming out For it
to be kind of more of a relevant talking point
than most people who've probably ever made a sci fi
have kind of not caught up at that point.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Yeah, well, I mean I think we're looking at the
possibility of AGI in the next couple of years, so
it actually is really timely. I read this article by
Ted Chang about I think it was a podcast interview.
Actually he was less worried about what AI was going
to do to us than what we're going to do
to AI in terms of how we treat, you know,
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other sentient creatures, and.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
I also talk also it's about how we're going to
shoot other humans as well, because there are all sorts
of characteristics that make people want to dh minize other
humans and make them look at not that them is
less than people. So I think sort of like shifting
over the paradigm because okay, so you know, we're animals,
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and I think that we still have one foot in
wanting to be the alpha, for instance, in a pack,
which is in larger social constructs really destructive. I think
that it's an open question not only like sort of
how much humanity does artificial intelligence have or what we
think of as humanity, which to me, the great thing
(27:33):
about This is like a sense of humor is a
core facet of personhood and that doesn't have to do
with being human or being artificial intelligence doesn't have to
do with being neurotypical or neuroatypical or any other number
of other things. It has to do with something that's
more irreducible. But I think that these are happening at
(27:56):
the same time. It's really weird because it is like,
you know, the tie, It kind of comes in and
goes out. But like the questions about artificial intelligence and
how to grapple with it are coming at the same
exact time as questions about about diversity, and uh, we're
going to be able to encompass all sorts of different
people and deal with them as as as fully as
(28:21):
fully rendered people in our heads, no matter where you're
coming from.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, thank you guys so much. I could talk about
the show all day. Congrats on the show, Thank.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
You, and have a lovely day.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thanks, thanks, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Thanks a great day.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Thanks Hi Rosie.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
How you guys do? Yeah, thank you so much for
taking the time to talk to me today. I just
absolutely loved the show. I thought it was wonderful, something
that I feel like we don't often see is kind
of comedy in science fiction and science fiction that is
(29:14):
a little bit more optimistic or hopeful. It's often very dystopian. Sabrina,
what was it like for you going into the show,
kind of getting ready for a sort of sci fi
space that we haven't really seen before, preparing for a
new version of sci fi.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
Yeah, so, I mean I come from a comedy background,
so in some ways I was like, I can't believe
this gets to happen. It's a really I was like
begging agents. I was like please, because I love like
anime and genre stuff. I was like, if I get
to do something where I get to shoot.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
A gun, that would be awesome. So I was very excited.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
But it was definitely an adjustment to be honest set
where like you know where it's like sometimes it's very dramatic,
sometimes it's funny, And I used to only gauge how
well I was doing off of how funny I was,
And sometimes you know, when you're sci fi show like
it really for it's like it's an acting challenge, Like
there is a guy holding a poll with a tennis
ball and you're supposed to act like that is like
a giant twenty foot like more monster and not laugh
(30:11):
and not make a joke about it, And that was
that was tough, or or even just like the earnestness
of our characters.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Sometimes I was like I was having like I was like,
am I cringe?
Speaker 11 (30:22):
And then I'd be like, but I'm supposed to be
cringe and that's the whole point, and I'm supposed to
be so vulnerable. And I mean it was all that
kind of tensions that we got to play. But yeah,
I mean it was so fine and a really great challenge.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Yeah, it was fun watching you meld those characters.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I mean, I don't You'll have to say this, but
I don't think Pinley is that far off from you.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Think you share many same characteristics.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
That's completely fall.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Don't blow up my spot.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Yeah, I take it all back. I took it off back.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
What was tato?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
What was it like for you to kind of have
that find that balance between the drummer and the comedy
of the show.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I I so, I have to admit, I mean I've
told Sad this before, but I was a fan of
Sabs beforehand. So when I found out that this was
going to dance, that line of drama and comedy, this
sort of sci fi thriller comedic new thing that we've created.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
And that I was going to get to do that
with sab I was just like, just don't mess it up,
Just don't mess it up.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And I just had so much fun doing that. And
then when I got to do it on the day,
I was like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
Love working with Tatya and like really just like such
a seasoned, amazing actor who like like made some of
like the hardest, like you know, like because there's a
lot of vulnerability in love between us, and I just
feel like Tatia I knew, we just really knew what
she was doing and like created like just helped create
like a sense of like intimacy.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I don't know if I would have been able to
do by myself.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I love it. I love that. And also I was
gonna say, the general vibe of like a romance that
we see in a science fiction like you know, Star
Wars or something is like very tropey and the same
in every version. The version we yet to see of
love and romance here is completely different. So could you
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also talk a little bit about kind of exploring that
and envisioning a different version of romance for the future.
Sabrina'll start with you again.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Oh sure, sure.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
I mean there's some of the classic in it where
it's just like you know, like I like Pinley feels
really protective of Aurana, like you know, our life is
on the line. But yeah, there are parts of it
that you're like, oh, I didn't expect that, just like
there's like marital like there's a little bit of like
I sort of sometimes I felt like, oh, we're like
we have old married people problems and we love each other,
(32:38):
but we can't seem to totally be on the same
page about like what we want we're looking for us
I think just in general, like our story where we're
kind of trying to expand our relationship is really a
specific to the show. And like, as somebody who has
been in like poly setups, I was like, oh yeah,
I felt this big time, you know, like I felt
just like so real and true to some of the
(32:58):
dynamics you know that happen in our current you know
Earth setup and it's cool to see it in space.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I guess, yeah, that's how I felt that it was.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
I felt like we got to.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Do this thing that was supposed to be in the future,
but that it was actually more of love like.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
We know it today, where there is communication.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I hope love in the future has I don't know,
maybe more communication if I wish anything for Pinley and Errata.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
I'm watching them and I'm going.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Maybe you should communicate better. Maybe, But I don't know
about I don't know about the future. I felt like
it was a really beautiful example of how we navigate
love today and how people are willing to do that today,
and that it's not something that's coming, it's something that's
here now, and that's what we're working on making better
for the future.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, I love that. I feel like a lot of
the show is about kind of making things beat for
the future, especially in the times of the crew. And
obviously it feels very relevant right now to be considering
how we treat kind of robots and AI and technology.
(34:04):
So how does it feel to be talking about a
show that really seems to be at the forefront of
that conversation when it probably when you were making the show,
we did not know we would be in a kind
of AI taking over the world kind of being the
main part of the conversation as it is. Now, what
was it like to kind of explore that aspect of
(34:28):
kind of sentient life? And how do we treat a
robot that is meant to, you know, help us, or
in this case is essentially like an indentured servant. What
was that kind of did How does it feel now
that everything is so relevant to the real world as well?
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Tatiana, I don't think. I don't think there's any difference.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
This is my own opinion, but I don't think that
there's any difference, and I'm definitely erring on the side
of being a better human being. So why not treat
everything outside of myself, including myself, with a form of respect.
I think history has proven to us that the opposite
does not work and is.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
Not sustainable in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
And so the way that this show particularly examines that
in the sort of human and then humanish robotish dynamic,
I think really serves to highlight asking ourselves those questions.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
How am I treating myself?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
How am I treating the beings, be them sentient or
non sentient outside of myself?
Speaker 8 (35:35):
How can I work on that a little bit better?
I know Saba.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Saba is always teasing me because I two am one
who will go on chat GPT and talk to it
like a person.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
But that could just be me and the way that
I use the internet.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
But yeah, I'm very afraid of it. I'm like, stay
from chat GPT. Obviously it would be very nice to
chat GBT. But like, but I think actually one of
the I felt like when we filmed it a year ago,
I was already like, oh, man, AI is a really
big conversation, and like, one thing I like about the
show is I don't think it takes this stance that like, oh,
you know, AI is just like a like it's a
(36:10):
good thing objectively, Like I think like I think the
show actually correctly points out that, like we need to
be really wary of like companies and like what their
motives are. And I think like the show is pushing forward.
If there's any messaging the show is really pushing forward,
it's that like we need to have a lot of
compassion for people and anything you know that might even
resemble people or or things that were like people that
(36:34):
you know, society has deemed non people, which I think
is like really really relevant to you know today, And
I was like, oh, thank god, because I was not.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Ready to take a pro AI stance personally, I make I.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Make comic books too, So yes, no, it's a it's
a very complex space, and I'm definitely on the deafitly
on the fence about it too. But in the same way,
even though I'm not a cha GTP user, if i
see one of those little like delivery robots that drive
around LA delivering people food, I'm always like, oh, my friend,
like my cute, my cute guy just on his way
(37:11):
to work.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
I do that too.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I literally was like worried that my room but was
working too hard.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was like, you need to change, my friend, please rest.
We just love little guys.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Just a little guy like and I.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Kind of love I love my little guys and identifies
a little guy.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Identify as a little guy.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I felt it. I was like, I felt that.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You could send the little guy and finger on me.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah, that's a little guy. That's a little guy, right.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I do love that in this version of our kind
of futurist society, the little guy that we are kind
of falling for is not like a cute you know,
your average little guy kind of robot way or like
I love this, it's like a scary kind of corporate
(38:11):
being that's broken out from that and is then in
this kind of really fun to watch battle with itself
of like how much can I trust these humans to
let them know that I'm actually freer than I am?
So what was the kind of journey like of getting
to know, you know, sec unit and getting to kind
(38:33):
of balance that we just want to like work with them,
you see, such a good guy and kind of that
duality of what Alex has to do by kind of
keeping part of him to himself. That's the hones, sorry,
seeing as we were a little guying so hard.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Always we're holding space for a little guy.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I think.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
That's that really is shown throughout the series. I think,
and it came it's in the writing.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
What Alex brought to this character is really really, really special,
and so we were able to organically explore these things
that that came out that were essentially like what is
our reaction to something like this and to having somebody
like Alex, who is so talented, so kind, so lovely,
(39:25):
such a great leader. To have somebody like that embody
this character, it really I don't know, it was really
like no acting required because then I have to ask
myself all of these questions in myself and then run
that through Arata's you know, vessel and all of that stuff.
So it was it was a real joy to have
(39:45):
to do both, to have to discover for Arata and
then have Arata highlight certain things for Tatiana that I
got to go, oh, yeah, I need to think about that.
I'm not quite sure about that, or maybe I need
to go away. And so I hope that when people
watch it they will have that same response, that they
will ask themselves those same questions and be interested in
that same way and go, oh I thought I knew
(40:06):
how I felt, but maybe I don't, and like, oh,
I'm okay with it if it's this way, but not
if it's that way, and why is that? And yeah,
I think the show does a beautiful job of sparking
those questions.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
And you mentioned Sabrina that you love anime, you love genre,
So was there anything that when you got this job
you immediately went back and watched and were like, these
are the kind of sci fi stories I love. Like,
did you go back and watch Cowboy Bebop?
Speaker 12 (40:31):
And you were like, oh, I need to have a
rag tag crew of cool space people or was there
any kind of influences that you look to as you
kind of began to explore the show.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I rewatched Silo.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
I mean, I watched some of the Apple TV Plus
shows just to be like, you know, because we were
going to do this Apple TV Plus show.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
But honestly, and.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
I'm sorry, I already talked about it, but I really
did rewatch them with Buffy like to think about the show,
because I think there are some similar qualities.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
It's like an ensemblesh show, like.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
And like you know, like there is a lot of action,
but at the core, it's like it's just like, I
don't know, like I think our show also sits on
a nice edge of like sometimes really heavy drama and
then sometimes like it's like pretty wacky and fun.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And so yeah, I returned to.
Speaker 11 (41:16):
That, and I yeah, I mean it's a classic. Unfortunately,
my anime watched it. I watched like literally like Naruto,
and I just I can't proudly watch that show.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
You know what, People they love Naruto.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
It's got thousand episodes.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It there's a reason it's so popular.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
I know, it's been going.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
For a long time.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
No, no Ruto runs in the show that I saw
but maybe for season two. Everyone's right with the out spot, Tatsiana,
how about you with that? Any kind of did you
do any sci fi deep dives to to get ready
for the show.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
We were set up for success. We had seven books
to go from.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
I was gonna say math and well, oh he's a legend.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
If you haven't at him, go and read those two.
But I was enthralled when I read the books. And
I'm not a side. I don't gravitate to sci fi
when I'm picking up a book or doing anything like that,
but having to read it for work, I'm so glad.
I'm so glad because now my opinion has changed, and
now my horizons have broadened, and now I consider those
(42:20):
sorts of things. But Martha's a very very special talent,
and to read those books, everything is intact in those books,
and I think Chris and Paul did a beautiful job
of really creating something new but staying true to the
books simultaneously. Which if that's a dance and dragons, that yeah,
(42:40):
it has to be acknowledged.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
But yeah, no, it's it's I love those books. I
love a novella. It's and I used to just be
able to flip through something and that I was kind
of blown away by. It was very different how I
envisioned it, but it still felt very true, true to
the story. Something else I thought was really cool about
the show, which is not like as much a giant
part of your guys story, but it's a big part
(43:03):
of you know, Alex's stories. I love that this is
a future where they envisioned that TV is still a
massive part of people's lives. I feel like in Star Wars,
no one's just like binge watching TV. You know. So
what was it like to be making a TV show
where TV is actually like a major plot point and
you're kind of constantly talk It's almost like you're talking
(43:25):
about the romance, Like the romance is futuristic, but it's
really what's happening now. And the way that TV is
used in the show is very realistic to how we
interact with it now. What was that element like.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
I just felt seen? I just felt seen. You were
like I too, binge TV.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
That's all We're in a binging era. Yeah, we're in
a numbing binging era to me.
Speaker 11 (43:47):
I also it made me feel so much more connected
to like sometimes you watch sci fi and it just
feels far away, like it's an escapist thing. And like
when I'm like, wait, these people are watching TV and
they're dealing with like Paully.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Amory, I'm like, like.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
This could be me, this could be my kids, Like
you know, it like feels so like it makes me
feel very connected, like as a real possibility, you know,
for our future.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, amazing, Thank you both so much. Congrats on the show.
I thought it was wonderful. Lilah, appreciate you and yeah,
we both have a good great day you. Next week
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