October 13, 2025 • 47 mins
Jason and Rosie are joined by Ian to break down the final episode of Peacemaker season two and break down the theories about where the DCU goes next.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode case spoil is for Peacemaker season two season finale. Hello,
(00:22):
I am Jasonconcepcia and I'm Rosy Night, and welcome back
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Plus news. In today's episode, we are going to recap
the season finale of peace Maker season two, and then
we're gonna talk about where we think the Gun of
Us goes from here. We have some theories, some thoughts,
and of course, as usual, we have super producer Ian,
our peace Maker correspondent.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
How are you doing, Ian, I'm great, Ready to go.
I really really liked this episode and I think we
have a pretty clear roadmap for where James Gunn is
planning to take the DCUs. So let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Season two finale for Peacemaker Full Nelson. We open one
month ago. This is after sometime shortly after the events
of season one of Peacemaker. This is the boat incident.
Chris and Harcourt are on a date down on the
docks where all the boats are. They're really hitting it off.
(01:32):
Chris tells Harcourt about sleeze rock, telling her all about
how important sleeze rock is and the pop cultural value
of the sleeze rock movement, and he sings of some
sleeze rock song which causes Hardcourt to cringe and hide
under the table.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Chris clearly, very very dearly loves.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Harcourt, just in love with that completely.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Harcourt, of course, can't accept love, does not feel that
she's worthy of love, and she mainly just wants to
get her job back because she's bleeding money, but not
as not as badly as we're gonna as we saw with.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
The course of season two.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Chris orders a dozen shots for them, six and six,
which isving a bad idea, and they deficient, though they
drink them all. And on the way out of the place,
Harcourt goes like at the neck of a cat collar,
but Chris, shy you know, shoes the guy away for
his protection. He stresses to Harcourt, not hers, and they
(02:29):
walk along the dock and Harcourt tells Chris that you
should be nicer tovitge because he thinks he's your rest
friend and he looks up to you and all this stuff. Uh,
And then Chris barely has time to think about that
before he sees a sign for I guess like eighties rock.
You can't even call them legends. They're the sons of
legends because they're their dad was Ricky Nelson, who is very,
(02:55):
very big in their early sixties as a TV heart
throb and singer. It's the twins Matthew and Gunner Nelson,
who are playing on the dock somewhere, and Chris is
like so into it. He pulls Hardcoard over and we
go to the prison. Chris is in jail. He's got visitors.
He doesn't want to see them. He just wants to
stay in his cell and mope, mope, mope, mope around. Meanwhile,
(03:16):
Argus is like all hands on deck. They're exploring the
portal system. They've got it open somewhere, like where they
keep Lexus stuff that has been seized ever since the
events of Superman, Harcourt, Flurry, Titties, Bordeaux. They're all in
this crew like exploring.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
These worlds with QP, all of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Them with economists, you know, behind the ones and twos
and Otis from Lexus Crew and Sydney from Alexis Crew
and Senior and they're all watching from in there as
the Argus folks go into the portals and guess what,
it's very very dangerous. They're looking for just unlocked doors
that they can explore, and for what. Senior doesn't want
(03:57):
to say, No, they want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's getting a little bit too close Lexus crew.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean, he's.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
A grand all time a f Everyone else is like
trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's a party party in the control room. Sydney is
like amazed at what they're saying. This holy ship, this
is like better than our portal system. Look at how
stable it is, look at how it's not going to
destroy the world. Economists tells Senior that, hey, this is
fucked up what we're like we did. I thought we
(04:35):
were gonna like shut this down and now we're in
here doing what we don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Red John Economus w that because he's right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yes, he is right and speaking.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We took some shots that Johnathan Economists last week. We did,
and I just want to say that he's showing courage
and a spine right now. He even episode unnatural and
I'm proud of him. And then he he even says
to Bordeaux what about your fucking boyfriend over here? And
she's like, it's not my boyfriend. Stop it where you
(05:07):
sleep at tonight?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Stop exactly? And we know she's sleeping there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Fleury is telling crazy stories of course, like as they're
exploring these portals about like a stripper and how Klein,
one of the guys that they're exploring these worlds with,
was like threw up on a strippers stripper and uh,
you know it's it's uh is that?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why is that? Why he goes up titsies?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's an amusing story.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Meanwhile, I don't know why the hating on it. By
the way, I feel like Fleury is a undeloved character
because if I would just be like please, yeah, tell
me this is a I will tell.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You you kind of do need like a like if
there was ever a time for a light in the
mood moment from worry now is it?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Exactly? Sometimes a little levity when you're exploring like a
dimensions is welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So Otis and the aforementioned other member of former member
of Lexus crew Lex Court, it's also helping with the search,
and the search pays off. They find door number twenty
two unlock. They go in it's like this Wizard of
Oz looking thing with candy.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Cane, Candyland Candyland.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Type situation with some kind of cobblestone road and beautiful
emerald le grass and.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Cane in which remember this was actually referenced in episode one,
and James Dunn has come from this the imp wold
that he went into this was that wold.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
The imps come a swarming.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They're like little La booboos basically, and they attack and
they're vicious and they're they need food, which apparently is
human flesh, and they kill Kleine and the rest of
the team Owns barely manages to get away and guess
what they might be argus with their humorings too and
(07:06):
there and everybody is devastated. They just watched this guy
who threw up on a stripper once get maimed by
the imps.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Flurry is devastated.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Titties goes at Bordeaux over like, what the fuck you
guys want to This is fucking terrible. Economists complains about
Senior to Harcourt because she he knows that she knows him. Uh,
Economists is like, I thought we were trying to I
thought we were trying to prevent another rift thing like
(07:36):
in Superman. Now, what is this? Apparently they're looking for it. Yeah,
apparently they're looking for an uninhabited earth like world. And
immediately when they said that, I was like, I know,
come on, yeah, we know. They find eagerly depressed in
the house. Heidie's hiding and closets made me very sad.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, a sad moment.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Attebio comes to see Adrian in his house. He is
Adrian trying to let go and deal with the sadness
of Chris getting arrested, his best friend being disappeared.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Of of course, he's doing it in the most.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know, vig way, where he's pretending that's not the case,
and he contends that Chris has some kind of plan,
Like it can't be that he just got arrested and
went away. There must be a plan. Ass like, well,
I've got a plan. Why don't we take some of
the multi million that you're just singing on this, yeah
(08:36):
you've stashed in your fucking house, Like why don't we
get him.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
A really good lawyer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I also have to say, like I love the representation, Like, look,
we all love Adrian, we all love it. She's such
a funny, hilarious, well played character. Freddy Strom is killing it.
But I also love that they added the very believable
like he's just horrible to his mom. It's like Souk.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Talking about shut the talk out of here. Shut.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I love the way the ads is like, uh no,
it's okay, but right, like they are what I tell
you when I'm in here, get it done. Funk out, guys,
Why why has bitch kept all that money? Why does
he not want to spend it?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Because this big one off but it's just blood money
at doesn't.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Want to get cussed.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
We realized that magic is real now, and you know what,
here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I kind of went wrong. You're literally not wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
We just saw it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We just saw like, uh, you know, Saint Cloud have
an encounter with the Prime, which we is not a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That we thought. And we just so imagine get eaten
by a candy Land imp. Like all kinds of stuff
is occurring.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Magic is a powerful force, and I don't I didn't.
I don't think it's crazy. I'll just say that just
a point.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think it's going to come back and bite them
for sure. I will also say so there was a
scene that was an image that was shared by the
DC account earlier today, earlier before the episode came out,
and it was like, Hey, you know what's that behind
Bordeaux And it looked like there was some kind of
zombie And I was like, and everyone was like, Oh
my god, are they going to do deceased? Is that
(10:30):
the crisis? Are they doing zombies in DC? But what
I loved for this moment, I was like, if James
Gunn has them spend the money and then that causes
a blood curse that brings zombies to the DC universe.
Spoiler that guy is not the case. I was like,
that is going to be the dumbest best plot point
of all time. But I am convinced that season three, however,
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that will look, which will probably have a different name.
I do think the blood curse is going to come back.
I think that spending the money means that is going
to be a blood cuss.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I think that that is because.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
James Gunn doesn't do Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So they take the money and they bail Chris out,
which I gotta say was shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Hold on a second, this guy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Could get you get this guy is out for bail,
he can get He is the definition of a fucking
flight risk. He has a multi.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
What is the hold on?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
They get this guy can get bailed out anyway. They
bailed Chriss out, but Chris doesn't want to go hang
out with them or do anything. He just wants to
go off on his own. He gets eagerly and he
leaves fucking Town economists can't stop him.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He's gone.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Meanwhile, in the peorls Argus team, they find the alien guy,
but they don't really fuck with the alien guy who
comes out bringing the little dead, weird alien rats out
to the garbage came He always.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Bringing them themIn Like, what's he doing? He's creepy. I
was gonna say, I do think you're meant to think
he's like a you know, he's like the rat king
of New York or whatever. You know, he's the rats
are like, he's meant wherever he is, he's in charge
of getting rid of the rats.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We watched these this portal search get become increasingly dangerous.
Juno Master almost get sucked into a black hole world Lex,
which Lex, by the way, loves the black.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Promising.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Meanwhile, in the control room, it's fucking Bananas Town. Sid
is snorting lines of coke. Otis is not doing coke,
but he's like loving it. Senior is glowing.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Can I just say as well, the one shout out
I want to give is Rick Cina. Senior's like quaff.
Whatever's going on? Perfection? Who Ever was in charge this time?
He looked like that that band in those Achi kuris
Maki movies with like the giant Elvis style kind of
like uh pompadoor, Like I couldn't believe it. They kept
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shooting it from the side, and I was like, it's
getting a longer.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Guys, it's a source of his power. It's getting bigger.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, he looks like a like a ripped Papa Smurf
or something.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Ye, that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, So we're seeing how dangerous it is. There's like
a there's the black Hole world. There's a zombie world.
There's like a zombie skull spider world. They were like
skulls on spiders.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Those were really Yeah, they just opened the door in
their media, like nope and just close it. IoT.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Guys are dying the whole time.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm dying. A lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They're just drop and drop, been dropping the rank and
file is getting increasingly traumatized by everything, as their management
team is like snorting coke and having a grand all time.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In the control room.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Bordeaux continues to go home, fuck Senior, and then lay
awake at night wondering if the dozens of lives they're
losing every day are worth it. Finally, after much loss
of life, they find a world that fits the bill.
(14:33):
It's an uninhabited earth like world, breathable air, clean water,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And what do they want to do with it?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You probably know at home, your listeners, we certainly guess
that it was going to be some sort of prison planet,
but of course refuse it for the metas. But of
course Senior refuses to tell anybody what you know about that. Later,
Senior briefs the stakeholders of the Department of Defense.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
They call the New.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
World's Salvation, and of course the plan is, let's put
the many humans in there, get to the them.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
They're fucking everything.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Upham can't hold them. They're breaking out everything.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And also you can bail them out.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Giving a bail you could.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You could lay let's go bail a joker out.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I mean, honestly, I would also like I would also
if I was in charge of the prisons of Gotham,
which obviously I would never be because I do not
believe in prison. But if I was, I honestly probably
also would start to give bail because I'd be like,
they're sucking up the prison every day, breaking these people out,
like let's just earn some money, like, but they're never
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coming back to court.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Give it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think they're two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bailing
a nice holiday I would take.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I would take one at a time, obviously, Joker, Riddler, King, Shoever, Penguin,
and I'd take them to the portals and we just
I would show them a catalog of worlds we've found.
Do any of these interest you?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You can go there, but you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Gotta go in that go in that spider world.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
If what if we find a world where the penguin
is like the top guy. Penguin is like the leader
of the world, would you want to go there? Take
you know, well, we'll make it so you can like
take him out and you and just never come back.
I would think about doing that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that's actually probably a better idea than putting them
all on one planet. Yeah. Define know from the comics
that does not always go well.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, anybody who's watched any A Team episode or read
any comics, if you put all the heroes in the
same place as a prison, they're gonna figure out a
way out of it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, you're trying to put all the and if you
put all the villains that then they're probably gonna sign
it into like a crazy villain planet, which, by the way, guys,
I will say one issue with this is I do
feel like maybe not enough talk about the Nazi planet.
I feel like everyone that we're done with that now,
they're done with it now. But I get it because
honestly realistic For Senior, who's like, okay, well that was
(17:09):
the world with Nazis, I'm a cop. I don't care.
How can I send this into a prison that feels
like realistic? But I would like like the Eleventh Street
Kids to maybe mention it more than once.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, you know, an alliance budding alliance between the Department
of Defense, including Argus and of course Lex, all sharing
the goal of let's get the meta humans out of
here so we can just squabble.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
As regular humans like amongst ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Later, Bordeaux comes to Harcourt and is like, they go
to the same burger spot that Harcourt and Chris had
the date at months ago, and that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We've seen in Blue Beetle. So good for your Himerays
fans out there. This is another connection, hinting as James
Gunn has said that he will join this version of
the universe.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
At some point, Bordeaux comes clean about what the planet
is for. It's it's a meta human prison, and she's pissed,
and she's pissed because people are dying, but also because
she's a meta human and you know she might end
up in there. She's fully disillusioned by now. Harcourt tells
Bordeaux that she should come meet a friend of hers
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who like is the idea person about who the boat
might have an idea about what to do. It's at
a bio. She comes over, They scheme, they plan, They
talk for a long time, and Harcourt is reliving the
memories of her date with Chris when she finds the
ticket stub to the Nelson Boat concert, and then we flashback.
It's the concert, Chris and Harcourt having a great time. Meanwhile,
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in the present, Chris is leaving living in a sleazy
hotel and he's thinking about the date as well.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, I go to ask you guy's question, smoking a
cigarette or smoking weed? I couldn't tell from the way
Sina was. I think it was a cigarette, but he
was pulling from it like it was his joint, And
I was like, this is probably just because John Cena
doesn't because he's a wrestler. He was smoking that cigarette
for a long time because earlier.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
In the season and last season we saw him smoking
weed up. Yeah, so it was probably meant to but.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, he was, Yeah, it was a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And we see this moment Chris and Harcourt in the
present thinking about it at the same time when they
kissed during the Nelson concert. But har Court's not ready
for that. She's shaken. She pulls away and makes an
excuse to leave, and Chris is left there, you know,
standing and it's shocked in.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
A lone, very romantic moment, even though they have both
had six shots. I will say as well, I like
this shout out to James Gunn. You know, we know
he likes to go adult, he likes to have you know,
Rick Flagg as fucking we know that, like Emilia is
usually fucking I thought he did a really nice reveal
here that the thing that Chris has been asking did
it mean anything, is really this kiss and this dance
(19:57):
that they shed together. I thought that was a pretty
lovely reveal, makes sense for the characters, and uh it
leads to a nice emotional payoff.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
At that end, at Abio goes to see her wife.
She is separated from Kia and tells her, Listen, I
had a talk with with Judo Master, of all people.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
She doesn't say that, but this is where she's like, basically,
I've realized, like.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, because of the talk she had with Judo Master
in the Nazi world that like, you know, this is
this is actually my fault.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I completely like pulled the rug out from under you
when I said, like we were going to open a
business together and then without even consulting you, I was
just like switch gears into this whole mercenary spy thing.
And I understand that's my fault. That's why the relationship
fell apart, And I'm sorry. Sorry, And they make up or.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
At least yes, friends, Yes, they accept the fact that
they are not made for each other and that they
want two different lives and it's very emotional, great scene.
I think that honestly, as she was in the first season,
Danielle Brooks is really like as the emotional core of
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this and this episode, like she's really given.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
There is a lot of great stacular scenes with her phenomenal, especially.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Where you think that there's going to be something much
sillier that's being said, but she still manages to sell
it with just pure emotion, really good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sasha and her new allies, uh you know, Hardcourt, economists,
et cetera, are at work. Economists goes to distract every
the management team in the little control room, so Sasha
and Hardcourt can track Peacemaker and they locate him and
they head over to his sleazy hotel.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It seems like the chip or the bomb from suicide
Squad is still in his neck, which was.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
How they were able to have the despite the fact
that you know, Amanda Walla agreed ostensibly to not have
them in task for sex, though obviously Peacemaker was working
for the whole time. But that's interesting to think about
Harlequin bloodshot, you know, whoever else survived, So.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
They okay, Peacemaker, he's coming out just as they are arriving,
Vich runs up and tastes with him. They drag him
to the hotel and they're like, listen, it's like an
intervention moment, only they forcibly kidnapped him, Like listen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I need you, yeah, we need you back. We need
you back because we need to stop this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And here's why, because basically everybody that I encounter dies,
who is related to me, who I love, who I
care about, and I must be cursed. Look you know,
look my brother I killed when I was eight, my dad.
I killed Rick Flagg Junior. I killed my dad in
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another Nazi universe.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I caused to die.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I killed myself in a Nazi universe.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And everybody's dying. And it's hard to argue with this, Ads.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I would I just want to say, just quickly, you
he killed them all, like you made those choices. I
just need to say that, like you are set him
off in a bad way.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So ADS tries to get through to him, and honestly,
this is the only incredible performance, incredible acting performance character wise.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Character was shocked.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I don't know that it one hundred percent sold me,
but it's an incredible I mean just because like it's Chris.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Really, I know, I'm like, okay, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Anyway, ADS is like, you're a great friend. You taught
me about sleeze Rock, like you taught me Like there's
a lot of things I've learned from you, uh that
have made my life better. And you're you know, you're
a knucklehead, You're an idiot, but you've got a big
heart and and.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The bit that sold me was when she said, when
I'm around you, I feel loved. I know you love
me no matter what else I do. And I was like,
you know what that can make you look over overlook
a lot of things about person if you feel like
they have your back no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So everybody kind of chimes in that like yeah, you're
we love you, and Harcourt then finally does too, and
of course is like, yeah, you were tied together, you
and I were together. So eleven Street Kids are back
and they tell them what's going on and how they
need to stop argus.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So what are we gonna do? Chris asks Harcourt then, because.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like he's never gonna have more leverage, and now, like
if the boat kiss meant anything, and Harcourt, yes it
is like, yes, it meant everything, and if Chris is
like totally so.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
One week later, we've.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Got this kind of montage intercutting moment. We're back at
the docks.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Now. The Foxy Gazelle, the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Band who plays the theme song, is playing on the
boat Sha and TV Foxy Jazam is playing on the
same boat that Nelson once played on. The Eleven Street
Kids now including Sasha, pack up all the cursed blood
money and use it to set themselves up with a
brand new, sleek, modern office space headquarters with like beautiful
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computers and wood paneling and lots of natural light, and
they're really really happy. Flurry joins up. He's like bullshitting
with Adrian about spiders and quizzing about spiders.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I love that scene so much, Like I was gonna say,
also keep it on because you might be watching. Obviously,
people are upset that they changed the theme tune the
Foxy Shazam. They have the whole theme tune from season one,
playing your love for fox esus and may vary when
you see them. I was already I'd heard this song
(26:05):
too much and this band is out of my nightmare
but what I thought like was really interesting was the
way that they basically had multiple go cut to black
moments where some people may skip, but they were actually
essentially multiple kind of mini post credit scenes. And I
(26:25):
really loved the moment where it was like, yeah, Fleury's
actually gonna sit there and quiz Adrian, this is like
his dream. Everyone else is at the party, and he's
just like, yeah, h do you know about spiders? And
my favorite part is even when Adrian gets stuff wrong,
he just lets him think he's wrong. Yea, Like they're
for each other, They're like besties, And I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So we get these wonderful kind of closing loop moments
eagerly basically like warming to economists all the way because
giving him a hug was has fed him and tried to,
you know, pick up his spirits. When Chris was gone,
Chris and Harcourt going on dates back down at the
dock again at the same Burger place, we discover that
(27:08):
the new the eleven Street Kids new private security company
is called Checkmate, and.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Then Judo Masters also joined the group that's rights and
Checkmate with them.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, and I love I love the addition of Judah
Master Flurry I also think that Sasha Bordeaux makes a
lot of sense because one cool weird cyborg. Two well
probably I'm guessing see checkmate interact with whoever ends up
becoming Batman, and that's probably how she'll end up working
(27:39):
with Batman.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's right, That's that's that's a good bet. But of course.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's too good to be true, wonderful, happy ending, and
it's it is too good to be true. Argust takes
Chris hostage one night as he's checking back into his
sleazy hotel. You think they'd set him up with some
of the blood money in a nicer place, but no,
just Chris somewhere. Yeah, Chris wants to be there. They
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drag him to the portals opened sanctuary up as Titt's.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Titt's how could you titties? I know she looks on.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I'm like teeth, I thought you were a real one.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
She was about it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That so titties, Titty's otis Sydney. They're all looking on
as Chris is dragged into salvation to be a prisoner there.
Senior is basically like, ha ha ha, You're gonna be
the canary and the coal mine. Let's wear to see
if this is gonna work. You're gonna be the first
person in here to see if a guy will die
in there, if they just exactly. Senior is like, thank
(28:47):
you so much for volunteering. H Chris is like, what
the fuck do you mean. He's like, oh, these documents
that you signed that said I would love to go
in there to the cross Portal prison and just fucking
hang out there forever. And of course this is Senior's revenge.
He basically says, says that this is for Junior.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And now you're trapped and then we get the Stingers
and hopefully you have hung on for the Stingers. All
the stakeholders back of the Department of Defense are like
getting all this there, you know. Now it's a pitch
fest about like, okay, what else can we do with
this place? How about like a vaporizing barrier around the planet,
(29:29):
so like if people try to rescue them, like their
ships get destroyed, like and they're very excited about the prospect.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, the bugs app for the planet, you know exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And then the final, final, final Stinger is an extended
scene of economists basically riffing to continue to distract Sydney
and Otis as Sasha and Harcourt look for Chris's neck bomb,
and then it's over.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Let's take a quick break and then we're gonna come back.
I can talk about what we thought about this season.
Were at our thoughts on season two of Peacemaker, Rosie.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I think everyone knows. I think it's a far
more successful season. I will say, I think if and
you know, we Aaron are official hot take machine, you know.
I think he did make He did make a good
point in the group chat where he was kind of like, look,
don't hype up the cameos if you can't deliver now.
(30:44):
I will personally say I love the Rick Flag Junior cameo.
I thought that was really unexpected. I thought it was
really interesting. I loved Rex cameo was really good. But
I do get it that there is the space of
of you know, well, this is kind of a big
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moment that maybe was not kind of set up in
a way that feels as huge as it is. But
we are going to dig into kind of checkmate the
comic book history, like why this probably what this hints
at for the future. I think it's a cool set
and I think the emotional journey of the characters was
(31:27):
worth it. Plus I loved I know it was a
controversial addition to Meadows as Flurry, but I love Flurry.
I think he's so funny. I'm glad he joined the team.
I love Judo Master. I think they never gave him
his credit or his jew and I think that this
is actually a really interesting evolution of the character. I'm
interested to see him together. I also love this kind
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of infinite money pool that they've given themselves as a
narrative with Adrian's blood money. So yeah, I thought it
was really good. Ian. How about you? How did you
feel about season two?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Overall?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I thought it was a really excellent season of TV.
I really enjoyed it so much more than the first season.
And I think, so far, of what we've gotten in
the DCU, this has been my favorite project. And I
think it's really was a beautiful showcase for you know,
the the talent and the writing skill of James gunn As.
(32:20):
We know. You know, he really likes to put these
big emotional stories into his movies, like he did with
The Guardians movies for example, And I think that given
the length of a TV series like that just lend
itself to his inclinations, like even more, you have more
time to develop these relationships and get to know these characters,
so the emotional moments I think hit even harder. And
(32:44):
I will say I think the tone of these final
three episodes, especially compared to some of the earlier episodes
which were kind of silly with things like Red Saint
Wild and the audition with the Justice Gang where the
mic is on, they have those gags, compared to how
really dramatic and the emotional weight of some of these
later episodes. I think the shift in that tone was
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also kind of executed pretty flawlessly in my opinion. So
I think overall was just a really excellent season of TV,
and you know, we got to I fell in love
with these characters even more. And then I think the
roadmap for where the DCU is going is laid out
pretty clearly by this finale, which we'll get into a
little bit later. But I think overall it was a
(33:26):
very successful season of TV in terms of setting up
you know, what he wants to do with the universe
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Jason, how about you?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, I agree. I think that the emotional stakes were
were expanded this season. You know, it's hard to of course.
Season one, I thought the kind of redemption of Peacemaker,
him coming to terms with the traumatic events of his
childhood and his family life was really compelling. But I
(33:58):
love the way that Gunn was able to tie that
redemption to a continuing, you know, attempt by Chris to
fix his life, and also to widen the scope of
that so that we see an entire cast all the
Eleventh Street kids, like really in a state of flux,
(34:19):
you know. I think we talked about and I had
quibbles with the amount of time that some of the
characters were were in the series vision Atabio.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think, you know, obviously I would love to have
seen more of them.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
For the most part, but I thought everybody got a
really good emotional arc, and I thought the writing was fantastic.
The new cast editions, as he said, were great. This
felt like a much more confident and in his element
James Gunn, and the momentum that it had coming off
(34:52):
of Superman was wonderful.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I do agree.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Listen, do we over hype the cameos maybe a little bit? Yeah,
I think we over I think a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think one more cameo, no matter who it is. Honestly,
even if it wasn't the Big Boy in Blue, Superman
or anything. I do think if they'd have had one
big cameo in the finale, even if it was just
another like Sydney Happistine or a Lowess Lane on the TV,
people probably wouldn't have even been talking about it, because
I do think the other two were so good. I
(35:21):
think it was just this finale was definitely more focused
on I think the Eleventh Street Kids than people necessarily realize.
But as you said, Ian, I think we are gonna
I think even though for maybe some people it feels
like it's not necessarily clear where it's going, we are
going to be able to explain.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
We can break it up. Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Can listen.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I understand from the perspective of we want to make
sure that people watch this season and watch all the
way through. I think that was probably that's probably a
concern for WB But yes, I do think they oversold it.
But overall, like great season with wonderful connections to the
rest of the wider universe.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It was a show that really and this is.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
A thing that like Marvel TV has has has struggled with.
It's impactful to the overall DCEU universe, like this has
no it's gonna connect.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, it feels so well done, so smooth, so free, integrated.
Like you know, I was even thinking about the cameos.
You can tell that we're all spoiled by the fact
that James Gunn is doing this because you know, in
Marvel Cinematic Universe, you're getting a cameo from like a
very very side character, like a Sydney Happerson at best,
(36:38):
and then you don't know if you're going to see
them come back in the same way. So I think
this really did raise the bar for that connectivity.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And I will say, you know, the Lex cameo, that
was one that I wasn't personally expecting. So even though
you know, people might be disappointed that there weren't a
million huge cameos or we didn't see Superman, I still
think the cameos that we did get were unexpected but
still serve the story and makes sense. So I think
I think he threaded the balance there.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So, speaking of those connections, tell us Ian and Rosie
what we think are going to be the directions that
we head to in the wider DCEU after this and
what role Checkmate and some of these you know, beginnings
of plot lines, what kind of impact they might have
on the DCEU.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, let me, I'll explain to Checkmate are and then
you can say why it seems like it's gonna fit
because there's I think you've joined a very We've a
very clear line to like how lanterns can happen. But
Checkmate's basically an organization from Action comics originally late eighties
nineteen a eight, like Paul kopperba really big moment for DC.
(37:51):
It's basically their by kind of secondary agency. What if
Suicide Squad wasn't all villains, what if they were more
of kind of a cover operation. So this is obviously
going to be a big reimagining of that, especially because
Checkmate was connected to Amanda Waller in the comics, and
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this is obviously our crew. I think we can basically
see them outside as the more kind of the contemporary
version of Checkmate has also been like a un security force.
I think we can imagine our kids as kind of
the off the books working for the Little Man kind
(38:31):
of version of this team. But Checkmate has had like
tons of different people who have been on it border
peace Make a vigilante most I think interestingly for the DCU,
Maxwell Lord, I think that's gonna be a big thing,
is seeing him step in and Gunn had kind of
(38:54):
said there's not going to be peace Maker season three,
and what does that mean? And I think we know
now that it's either going to be a Checkmate series
or we're even going to see some other way that
they're going to bring them back in. They now have
a cool base. So Ian, what does the introduction of
Checkmate mean going forward?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
So the introduction of Checkmate and Salvation specifically, I think
is laying the groundwork for what will be the overarching
plot of the DCU, which will be Final Crisis, which
was the two thousand and eight comic crossover, which was
a follow up to Infinite Crisis and then before that,
Crisis on Infinite Earths. So in the comic Salvation Run
(39:38):
is the name of the run. It's like a mini
series which involves Waller and Rick Flag rounding up all
the super villains and deporting them to another planet. And
as we learn in this episode in the finale, you
know the planet is supposed to be uninhabited, but there's
a little scene right at the end where the portal
closes and Chris looks around and then you hear some
kind of like creatures or animalistic noises in the back.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It's definitely giving me some kind of like their Savage
Land exactly, vibes like dinosaurs. Also, I do want to
say connection because we love to have them. Salvation Run
two thousand and seventeen thousand eight actually based on an
idea by George R. Lmanton. Well, he was the one
who pitched the idea, and yeah, I mean so many
people end up there, Lex Luthor, the Joker, with all
(40:20):
the villains, with Tatwoman's you know, it's a really interesting one.
So how does it play ian into the crisis? Because
I think this is really where we start to get cooking.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
So it turns out that the planet is not uninhabited.
It's actually a training ground for the pair Demons, which
is Dark Sides like foot soldiers. So it's like a
training planet for Dark Sided army basically. And eventually, do
you know, during the events of leading up to final Crisis,
the villains find a way to come back and they're
understandably pissed, and so that that sets up some of
(40:57):
the things leading into Final Crisis. But I think the
way that this is going to all connect, and we
know we have the Lantern series coming up. One of
the opening plot lines in Final Crisis starts with Hal
Jordan and the Green Lantern Core investigating the murder of Orion,
who's one of the New God's dark sided Sun on.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Earth bum bum. I think that that, I think is
what l is about.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Exactly, because we already know Lances is going to be
an Earth based story. It's going to be like a
true detective murder mystery. So it seems like Final Crisis
is the path that James gun is, you know, setting
us on. He's going to adapt that in some way.
I'm sure there will be some changes from the story,
but it seems like that's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I see that mene a lot of sense. You can
see the through line also. May it goes along with
what James has been saying, which is they're going to
do a crisis. You won't see which one is coming.
Final Crisis obviously not your most famous crisis. I think
the Orion thing is such a great pully in like
that to me, is the connective tissue you killed that
(42:00):
with putting that together because the truth is that one
of the strongest things about the dark Side Law and
if you have seen Fargo season four starring Chris Rock,
you will also have seen this plotline that I'm in
a reference because Noah Hawley's biggest influence was the story
of Darkseide and his sons. I think the reason this
(42:22):
can be set up in a way that is believable
and interesting is that when Darkseide is younger and he
has these sons, they are basically traded with another son
that and switched as a way to stop like an
intergalactic war exactly. I wonder if we are gonna see
(42:42):
a version where Orian was switched with an Earth based
villain's kid, and that then you have to have so
you can have it so Orian they think he's a human,
and then you get this reveal and let's be real.
James Gunn most of unknown for Guardians of the Galaxy,
I feel like New Gods was always going to be
(43:04):
on the plate, especially because of how closely they have
bought Tom King into this and him and Ava Deverney
were working for a long time on a New God's project.
I'm hoping if that's the case, bring Ava back, she
also deserves a chance. But I mean, James Gunn doing
the New Gods is the most normal, sensical thing. If
you don't know what that is. It's Jack Kirby's crazy
(43:26):
Fourth World from nineteen seventy one. He comes back to
dc decides he's going to do this explosive, super super
dense lore about these super tech forward deities within the DCU.
It's some of the strangest stuff in the DCU and
has some of Jack Kirby's most incredible illustration and also
some of his craziest collage work. It makes so much
(43:47):
sense for James Gunn, and if this is the plot,
I am going to be so much more excited for Lantern.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I think that is such a great care And if
he is going for Final Crisis, let's do it. I
think James gun can do it. And I think I
love that he is going for these newer comics too,
Like two thousand and eight, that's almost twenty years ago.
That's what he was reading in the comic shop, right,
like why not?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And I think that's I think that's the right move too,
you know, Like I think if you look at what
Marvel did, and their success they pulled mainly mainly from
stuff that happened since ultimately two thousands. Yeah, yeah, more
recent runs.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Of course, the Infinity saga is somewhat older, but it's like, yeah, really,
it's not that that long ago. So I think this
is I think this is the right movement. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, and I will say yeah, oh, I was just
going to say, you know, Final Crisis. I think there's
still a lot of leg work to be done to
get there. I don't think we're getting that big crossover
event anytime soon, which is I think is how it
should be because obviously, you know, there's there's only been
three projects so far. Langards is coming, but we have
a lot of groundwork to do to get there, and
(45:02):
a lot of the characters that are integral to that
storyline haven't even been introduced yet. So I think, you know,
now we like have a road map, we see where
it's going. But I still think James Gunn is gonna
take his time and plant the seeds and fully flesh
out before we get there, which I think is the
right move.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Do you guys think that the big bad of Man
of Tomorrow that Lex and Superman have to team up
against is dark Side because his son was killed on Earth.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I was wondering about that. What is going to be
the impetus to cause him to work together in that movie?
Because right now, it seems like Lex is getting everything
he wants. You know, we he hates meta humans. We
know that he's working with the government. They have this
prison planet. Sensibly, I would think one of his goals,
you know, overt or not. Maybe he's keeping this to himself,
but he's obviously trying to eat Superman through that portal.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Absolutely, what's going to be the thing that causes him
to end up having to work together? That's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I mean, I think it would be really cool.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I kind of hope not just because we need DC's
Rose Galleries awesome, and I think we just need more
villains for sure. I think I like to see the
roster of villains kind of Expand we haven't even tied
Batman's villains this world at all, Like we don't.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Know how that is.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
Flash has one of the best rogues galleries, Like, we
don't even have a whish of the Flash yet, so
we have no idea. And so I think jumping to
dark side. While it would be cool, feels like too soon,
a little too soon, So I'd like to see them
expand it.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Fun season of telling me I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Are sad that Eleventh Street kids together.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I look forward week. I really enjoyed the season.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for being such a
big part of covering it, because it's been a joy
to have you on.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Thank you for
having me and you know, digging into this lore and
you know, doing the deep dives every week. It's been
a lot of fun. So it's been a great season
to cover and yeah, thanks sir. Let me be a
part of it.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into horror movies from twenty twenty five versus two thousand
and five, oh, twenty years of horror movies.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
That's it for this episode.
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Speaker 4 (47:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode case spoil is for Peacemaker season two season finale. Hello,
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Plus news. In today's episode, we are going to recap
the season finale of peace Maker season two, and then
we're gonna talk about where we think the Gun of
Us goes from here. We have some theories, some thoughts,
and of course, as usual, we have super producer Ian,
our peace Maker correspondent.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
How are you doing, Ian, I'm great, Ready to go.
I really really liked this episode and I think we
have a pretty clear roadmap for where James Gunn is
planning to take the DCUs. So let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Season two finale for Peacemaker Full Nelson. We open one
month ago. This is after sometime shortly after the events
of season one of Peacemaker. This is the boat incident.
Chris and Harcourt are on a date down on the
docks where all the boats are. They're really hitting it off.
(01:32):
Chris tells Harcourt about sleeze rock, telling her all about
how important sleeze rock is and the pop cultural value
of the sleeze rock movement, and he sings of some
sleeze rock song which causes Hardcourt to cringe and hide
under the table.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Chris clearly, very very dearly loves.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Harcourt, just in love with that completely.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Harcourt, of course, can't accept love, does not feel that
she's worthy of love, and she mainly just wants to
get her job back because she's bleeding money, but not
as not as badly as we're gonna as we saw with.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
The course of season two.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Chris orders a dozen shots for them, six and six,
which isving a bad idea, and they deficient, though they
drink them all. And on the way out of the place,
Harcourt goes like at the neck of a cat collar,
but Chris, shy you know, shoes the guy away for
his protection. He stresses to Harcourt, not hers, and they
(02:29):
walk along the dock and Harcourt tells Chris that you
should be nicer tovitge because he thinks he's your rest
friend and he looks up to you and all this stuff. Uh,
And then Chris barely has time to think about that
before he sees a sign for I guess like eighties rock.
You can't even call them legends. They're the sons of
legends because they're their dad was Ricky Nelson, who is very,
(02:55):
very big in their early sixties as a TV heart
throb and singer. It's the twins Matthew and Gunner Nelson,
who are playing on the dock somewhere, and Chris is
like so into it. He pulls Hardcoard over and we
go to the prison. Chris is in jail. He's got visitors.
He doesn't want to see them. He just wants to
stay in his cell and mope, mope, mope, mope around. Meanwhile,
(03:16):
Argus is like all hands on deck. They're exploring the
portal system. They've got it open somewhere, like where they
keep Lexus stuff that has been seized ever since the
events of Superman, Harcourt, Flurry, Titties, Bordeaux. They're all in
this crew like exploring.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
These worlds with QP, all of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Them with economists, you know, behind the ones and twos
and Otis from Lexus Crew and Sydney from Alexis Crew
and Senior and they're all watching from in there as
the Argus folks go into the portals and guess what,
it's very very dangerous. They're looking for just unlocked doors
that they can explore, and for what. Senior doesn't want
(03:57):
to say, No, they want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's getting a little bit too close Lexus crew.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean, he's.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
A grand all time a f Everyone else is like
trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's a party party in the control room. Sydney is
like amazed at what they're saying. This holy ship, this
is like better than our portal system. Look at how
stable it is, look at how it's not going to
destroy the world. Economists tells Senior that, hey, this is
fucked up what we're like we did. I thought we
(04:35):
were gonna like shut this down and now we're in
here doing what we don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Red John Economus w that because he's right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yes, he is right and speaking.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We took some shots that Johnathan Economists last week. We did,
and I just want to say that he's showing courage
and a spine right now. He even episode unnatural and
I'm proud of him. And then he he even says
to Bordeaux what about your fucking boyfriend over here? And
she's like, it's not my boyfriend. Stop it where you
(05:07):
sleep at tonight?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Stop exactly? And we know she's sleeping there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Fleury is telling crazy stories of course, like as they're
exploring these portals about like a stripper and how Klein,
one of the guys that they're exploring these worlds with,
was like threw up on a strippers stripper and uh,
you know it's it's uh is that?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Why is that? Why he goes up titsies?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's an amusing story.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Meanwhile, I don't know why the hating on it. By
the way, I feel like Fleury is a undeloved character
because if I would just be like please, yeah, tell
me this is a I will tell.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You you kind of do need like a like if
there was ever a time for a light in the
mood moment from worry now is it?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Exactly? Sometimes a little levity when you're exploring like a
dimensions is welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So Otis and the aforementioned other member of former member
of Lexus crew Lex Court, it's also helping with the search,
and the search pays off. They find door number twenty
two unlock. They go in it's like this Wizard of
Oz looking thing with candy.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Cane, Candyland Candyland.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Type situation with some kind of cobblestone road and beautiful
emerald le grass and.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Cane in which remember this was actually referenced in episode one,
and James Dunn has come from this the imp wold
that he went into this was that wold.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
The imps come a swarming.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They're like little La booboos basically, and they attack and
they're vicious and they're they need food, which apparently is
human flesh, and they kill Kleine and the rest of
the team Owns barely manages to get away and guess
what they might be argus with their humorings too and
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there and everybody is devastated. They just watched this guy
who threw up on a stripper once get maimed by
the imps.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Flurry is devastated.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Titties goes at Bordeaux over like, what the fuck you
guys want to This is fucking terrible. Economists complains about
Senior to Harcourt because she he knows that she knows him. Uh,
Economists is like, I thought we were trying to I
thought we were trying to prevent another rift thing like
(07:36):
in Superman. Now, what is this? Apparently they're looking for it. Yeah,
apparently they're looking for an uninhabited earth like world. And
immediately when they said that, I was like, I know,
come on, yeah, we know. They find eagerly depressed in
the house. Heidie's hiding and closets made me very sad.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, a sad moment.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Attebio comes to see Adrian in his house. He is
Adrian trying to let go and deal with the sadness
of Chris getting arrested, his best friend being disappeared.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Of of course, he's doing it in the most.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know, vig way, where he's pretending that's not the case,
and he contends that Chris has some kind of plan,
Like it can't be that he just got arrested and
went away. There must be a plan. Ass like, well,
I've got a plan. Why don't we take some of
the multi million that you're just singing on this, yeah
(08:36):
you've stashed in your fucking house, Like why don't we
get him.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
A really good lawyer.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I also have to say, like I love the representation, Like, look,
we all love Adrian, we all love it. She's such
a funny, hilarious, well played character. Freddy Strom is killing it.
But I also love that they added the very believable
like he's just horrible to his mom. It's like Souk.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Talking about shut the talk out of here. Shut.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I love the way the ads is like, uh no,
it's okay, but right, like they are what I tell
you when I'm in here, get it done. Funk out, guys,
Why why has bitch kept all that money? Why does
he not want to spend it?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Because this big one off but it's just blood money
at doesn't.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Want to get cussed.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
We realized that magic is real now, and you know what,
here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I kind of went wrong. You're literally not wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
We just saw it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We just saw like, uh, you know, Saint Cloud have
an encounter with the Prime, which we is not a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
That we thought. And we just so imagine get eaten
by a candy Land imp. Like all kinds of stuff
is occurring.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Magic is a powerful force, and I don't I didn't.
I don't think it's crazy. I'll just say that just
a point.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I think it's going to come back and bite them
for sure. I will also say so there was a
scene that was an image that was shared by the
DC account earlier today, earlier before the episode came out,
and it was like, Hey, you know what's that behind
Bordeaux And it looked like there was some kind of
zombie And I was like, and everyone was like, Oh
my god, are they going to do deceased? Is that
(10:30):
the crisis? Are they doing zombies in DC? But what
I loved for this moment, I was like, if James
Gunn has them spend the money and then that causes
a blood curse that brings zombies to the DC universe.
Spoiler that guy is not the case. I was like,
that is going to be the dumbest best plot point
of all time. But I am convinced that season three, however,
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that will look, which will probably have a different name.
I do think the blood curse is going to come back.
I think that spending the money means that is going
to be a blood cuss.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I think that that is because.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
James Gunn doesn't do Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So they take the money and they bail Chris out,
which I gotta say was shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Hold on a second, this guy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Could get you get this guy is out for bail,
he can get He is the definition of a fucking
flight risk. He has a multi.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
What is the hold on?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
They get this guy can get bailed out anyway. They
bailed Chriss out, but Chris doesn't want to go hang
out with them or do anything. He just wants to
go off on his own. He gets eagerly and he
leaves fucking Town economists can't stop him.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He's gone.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Meanwhile, in the peorls Argus team, they find the alien guy,
but they don't really fuck with the alien guy who
comes out bringing the little dead, weird alien rats out
to the garbage came He always.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Bringing them themIn Like, what's he doing? He's creepy. I
was gonna say, I do think you're meant to think
he's like a you know, he's like the rat king
of New York or whatever. You know, he's the rats
are like, he's meant wherever he is, he's in charge
of getting rid of the rats.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We watched these this portal search get become increasingly dangerous.
Juno Master almost get sucked into a black hole world Lex,
which Lex, by the way, loves the black.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Promising.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Meanwhile, in the control room, it's fucking Bananas Town. Sid
is snorting lines of coke. Otis is not doing coke,
but he's like loving it. Senior is glowing.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Can I just say as well, the one shout out
I want to give is Rick Cina. Senior's like quaff.
Whatever's going on? Perfection? Who Ever was in charge this time?
He looked like that that band in those Achi kuris
Maki movies with like the giant Elvis style kind of
like uh pompadoor, Like I couldn't believe it. They kept
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shooting it from the side, and I was like, it's
getting a longer.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Guys, it's a source of his power. It's getting bigger.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, he looks like a like a ripped Papa Smurf
or something.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Ye, that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, So we're seeing how dangerous it is. There's like
a there's the black Hole world. There's a zombie world.
There's like a zombie skull spider world. They were like
skulls on spiders.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Those were really Yeah, they just opened the door in
their media, like nope and just close it. IoT.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Guys are dying the whole time.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm dying. A lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
They're just drop and drop, been dropping the rank and
file is getting increasingly traumatized by everything, as their management
team is like snorting coke and having a grand all time.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
In the control room.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Bordeaux continues to go home, fuck Senior, and then lay
awake at night wondering if the dozens of lives they're
losing every day are worth it. Finally, after much loss
of life, they find a world that fits the bill.
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It's an uninhabited earth like world, breathable air, clean water,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And what do they want to do with it?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You probably know at home, your listeners, we certainly guess
that it was going to be some sort of prison planet,
but of course refuse it for the metas. But of
course Senior refuses to tell anybody what you know about that. Later,
Senior briefs the stakeholders of the Department of Defense.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
They call the New.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
World's Salvation, and of course the plan is, let's put
the many humans in there, get to the them.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
They're fucking everything.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Upham can't hold them. They're breaking out everything.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And also you can bail them out.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Giving a bail you could.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You could lay let's go bail a joker out.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I mean, honestly, I would also like I would also
if I was in charge of the prisons of Gotham,
which obviously I would never be because I do not
believe in prison. But if I was, I honestly probably
also would start to give bail because I'd be like,
they're sucking up the prison every day, breaking these people out,
like let's just earn some money, like, but they're never
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coming back to court.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Give it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think they're two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bailing
a nice holiday I would take.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I would take one at a time, obviously, Joker, Riddler, King, Shoever, Penguin,
and I'd take them to the portals and we just
I would show them a catalog of worlds we've found.
Do any of these interest you?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You can go there, but you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Gotta go in that go in that spider world.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
If what if we find a world where the penguin
is like the top guy. Penguin is like the leader
of the world, would you want to go there? Take
you know, well, we'll make it so you can like
take him out and you and just never come back.
I would think about doing that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, that's actually probably a better idea than putting them
all on one planet. Yeah. Define know from the comics
that does not always go well.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, anybody who's watched any A Team episode or read
any comics, if you put all the heroes in the
same place as a prison, they're gonna figure out a
way out of it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, you're trying to put all the and if you
put all the villains that then they're probably gonna sign
it into like a crazy villain planet, which, by the way, guys,
I will say one issue with this is I do
feel like maybe not enough talk about the Nazi planet.
I feel like everyone that we're done with that now,
they're done with it now. But I get it because
honestly realistic For Senior, who's like, okay, well that was
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the world with Nazis, I'm a cop. I don't care.
How can I send this into a prison that feels
like realistic? But I would like like the Eleventh Street
Kids to maybe mention it more than once.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, you know, an alliance budding alliance between the Department
of Defense, including Argus and of course Lex, all sharing
the goal of let's get the meta humans out of
here so we can just squabble.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
As regular humans like amongst ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Later, Bordeaux comes to Harcourt and is like, they go
to the same burger spot that Harcourt and Chris had
the date at months ago, and that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
We've seen in Blue Beetle. So good for your Himerays
fans out there. This is another connection, hinting as James
Gunn has said that he will join this version of
the universe.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
At some point, Bordeaux comes clean about what the planet
is for. It's it's a meta human prison, and she's pissed,
and she's pissed because people are dying, but also because
she's a meta human and you know she might end
up in there. She's fully disillusioned by now. Harcourt tells
Bordeaux that she should come meet a friend of hers
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who like is the idea person about who the boat
might have an idea about what to do. It's at
a bio. She comes over, They scheme, they plan, They
talk for a long time, and Harcourt is reliving the
memories of her date with Chris when she finds the
ticket stub to the Nelson Boat concert, and then we flashback.
It's the concert, Chris and Harcourt having a great time. Meanwhile,
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in the present, Chris is leaving living in a sleazy
hotel and he's thinking about the date as well.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, I go to ask you guy's question, smoking a
cigarette or smoking weed? I couldn't tell from the way
Sina was. I think it was a cigarette, but he
was pulling from it like it was his joint, And
I was like, this is probably just because John Cena
doesn't because he's a wrestler. He was smoking that cigarette
for a long time because earlier.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
In the season and last season we saw him smoking
weed up. Yeah, so it was probably meant to but.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, he was, Yeah, it was a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And we see this moment Chris and Harcourt in the
present thinking about it at the same time when they
kissed during the Nelson concert. But har Court's not ready
for that. She's shaken. She pulls away and makes an
excuse to leave, and Chris is left there, you know,
standing and it's shocked in.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
A lone, very romantic moment, even though they have both
had six shots. I will say as well, I like
this shout out to James Gunn. You know, we know
he likes to go adult, he likes to have you know,
Rick Flagg as fucking we know that, like Emilia is
usually fucking I thought he did a really nice reveal
here that the thing that Chris has been asking did
it mean anything, is really this kiss and this dance
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that they shed together. I thought that was a pretty
lovely reveal, makes sense for the characters, and uh it
leads to a nice emotional payoff.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
At that end, at Abio goes to see her wife.
She is separated from Kia and tells her, Listen, I
had a talk with with Judo Master, of all people.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
She doesn't say that, but this is where she's like, basically,
I've realized, like.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, because of the talk she had with Judo Master
in the Nazi world that like, you know, this is
this is actually my fault.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I completely like pulled the rug out from under you
when I said, like we were going to open a
business together and then without even consulting you, I was
just like switch gears into this whole mercenary spy thing.
And I understand that's my fault. That's why the relationship
fell apart, And I'm sorry. Sorry, And they make up or.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
At least yes, friends, Yes, they accept the fact that
they are not made for each other and that they
want two different lives and it's very emotional, great scene.
I think that honestly, as she was in the first season,
Danielle Brooks is really like as the emotional core of
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this and this episode, like she's really given.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
There is a lot of great stacular scenes with her phenomenal, especially.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Where you think that there's going to be something much
sillier that's being said, but she still manages to sell
it with just pure emotion, really good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Sasha and her new allies, uh you know, Hardcourt, economists,
et cetera, are at work. Economists goes to distract every
the management team in the little control room, so Sasha
and Hardcourt can track Peacemaker and they locate him and
they head over to his sleazy hotel.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It seems like the chip or the bomb from suicide
Squad is still in his neck, which was.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
How they were able to have the despite the fact
that you know, Amanda Walla agreed ostensibly to not have
them in task for sex, though obviously Peacemaker was working
for the whole time. But that's interesting to think about
Harlequin bloodshot, you know, whoever else survived, So.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
They okay, Peacemaker, he's coming out just as they are arriving,
Vich runs up and tastes with him. They drag him
to the hotel and they're like, listen, it's like an
intervention moment, only they forcibly kidnapped him, Like listen.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I need you, yeah, we need you back. We need
you back because we need to stop this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
And he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And here's why, because basically everybody that I encounter dies,
who is related to me, who I love, who I
care about, and I must be cursed. Look you know,
look my brother I killed when I was eight, my dad.
I killed Rick Flagg Junior. I killed my dad in
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another Nazi universe.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I caused to die.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I killed myself in a Nazi universe.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And everybody's dying. And it's hard to argue with this, Ads.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I would I just want to say, just quickly, you
he killed them all, like you made those choices. I
just need to say that, like you are set him
off in a bad way.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So ADS tries to get through to him, and honestly,
this is the only incredible performance, incredible acting performance character wise.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Character was shocked.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I don't know that it one hundred percent sold me,
but it's an incredible I mean just because like it's Chris.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Really, I know, I'm like, okay, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Anyway, ADS is like, you're a great friend. You taught
me about sleeze Rock, like you taught me Like there's
a lot of things I've learned from you, uh that
have made my life better. And you're you know, you're
a knucklehead, You're an idiot, but you've got a big
heart and and.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The bit that sold me was when she said, when
I'm around you, I feel loved. I know you love
me no matter what else I do. And I was like,
you know what that can make you look over overlook
a lot of things about person if you feel like
they have your back no matter what.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So everybody kind of chimes in that like yeah, you're
we love you, and Harcourt then finally does too, and
of course is like, yeah, you were tied together, you
and I were together. So eleven Street Kids are back
and they tell them what's going on and how they
need to stop argus.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So what are we gonna do? Chris asks Harcourt then, because.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like he's never gonna have more leverage, and now, like
if the boat kiss meant anything, and Harcourt, yes it
is like, yes, it meant everything, and if Chris is
like totally so.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
One week later, we've.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Got this kind of montage intercutting moment. We're back at
the docks.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Now. The Foxy Gazelle, the.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Band who plays the theme song, is playing on the
boat Sha and TV Foxy Jazam is playing on the
same boat that Nelson once played on. The Eleven Street
Kids now including Sasha, pack up all the cursed blood
money and use it to set themselves up with a
brand new, sleek, modern office space headquarters with like beautiful
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computers and wood paneling and lots of natural light, and
they're really really happy. Flurry joins up. He's like bullshitting
with Adrian about spiders and quizzing about spiders.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I love that scene so much, Like I was gonna say,
also keep it on because you might be watching. Obviously,
people are upset that they changed the theme tune the
Foxy Shazam. They have the whole theme tune from season one,
playing your love for fox esus and may vary when
you see them. I was already I'd heard this song
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too much and this band is out of my nightmare
but what I thought like was really interesting was the
way that they basically had multiple go cut to black
moments where some people may skip, but they were actually
essentially multiple kind of mini post credit scenes. And I
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really loved the moment where it was like, yeah, Fleury's
actually gonna sit there and quiz Adrian, this is like
his dream. Everyone else is at the party, and he's
just like, yeah, h do you know about spiders? And
my favorite part is even when Adrian gets stuff wrong,
he just lets him think he's wrong. Yea, Like they're
for each other, They're like besties, And I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So we get these wonderful kind of closing loop moments
eagerly basically like warming to economists all the way because
giving him a hug was has fed him and tried to,
you know, pick up his spirits. When Chris was gone,
Chris and Harcourt going on dates back down at the
dock again at the same Burger place, we discover that
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the new the eleven Street Kids new private security company
is called Checkmate, and.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Then Judo Masters also joined the group that's rights and
Checkmate with them.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, and I love I love the addition of Judah
Master Flurry I also think that Sasha Bordeaux makes a
lot of sense because one cool weird cyborg. Two well
probably I'm guessing see checkmate interact with whoever ends up
becoming Batman, and that's probably how she'll end up working
(27:39):
with Batman.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
That's right, That's that's that's a good bet. But of course.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's too good to be true, wonderful, happy ending, and
it's it is too good to be true. Argust takes
Chris hostage one night as he's checking back into his
sleazy hotel. You think they'd set him up with some
of the blood money in a nicer place, but no,
just Chris somewhere. Yeah, Chris wants to be there. They
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drag him to the portals opened sanctuary up as Titt's.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Titt's how could you titties? I know she looks on.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I'm like teeth, I thought you were a real one.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
She was about it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That so titties, Titty's otis Sydney. They're all looking on
as Chris is dragged into salvation to be a prisoner there.
Senior is basically like, ha ha ha, You're gonna be
the canary and the coal mine. Let's wear to see
if this is gonna work. You're gonna be the first
person in here to see if a guy will die
in there, if they just exactly. Senior is like, thank
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you so much for volunteering. H Chris is like, what
the fuck do you mean. He's like, oh, these documents
that you signed that said I would love to go
in there to the cross Portal prison and just fucking
hang out there forever. And of course this is Senior's revenge.
He basically says, says that this is for Junior.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Fuck you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And now you're trapped and then we get the Stingers
and hopefully you have hung on for the Stingers. All
the stakeholders back of the Department of Defense are like
getting all this there, you know. Now it's a pitch
fest about like, okay, what else can we do with
this place? How about like a vaporizing barrier around the planet,
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so like if people try to rescue them, like their
ships get destroyed, like and they're very excited about the prospect.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, the bugs app for the planet, you know exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And then the final, final, final Stinger is an extended
scene of economists basically riffing to continue to distract Sydney
and Otis as Sasha and Harcourt look for Chris's neck bomb,
and then it's over.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Let's take a quick break and then we're gonna come back.
I can talk about what we thought about this season.
Were at our thoughts on season two of Peacemaker, Rosie.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, I think everyone knows. I think it's a far
more successful season. I will say, I think if and
you know, we Aaron are official hot take machine, you know.
I think he did make He did make a good
point in the group chat where he was kind of like, look,
don't hype up the cameos if you can't deliver now.
(30:44):
I will personally say I love the Rick Flag Junior cameo.
I thought that was really unexpected. I thought it was
really interesting. I loved Rex cameo was really good. But
I do get it that there is the space of
of you know, well, this is kind of a big
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moment that maybe was not kind of set up in
a way that feels as huge as it is. But
we are going to dig into kind of checkmate the
comic book history, like why this probably what this hints
at for the future. I think it's a cool set
and I think the emotional journey of the characters was
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worth it. Plus I loved I know it was a
controversial addition to Meadows as Flurry, but I love Flurry.
I think he's so funny. I'm glad he joined the team.
I love Judo Master. I think they never gave him
his credit or his jew and I think that this
is actually a really interesting evolution of the character. I'm
interested to see him together. I also love this kind
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of infinite money pool that they've given themselves as a
narrative with Adrian's blood money. So yeah, I thought it
was really good. Ian. How about you? How did you
feel about season two?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Overall?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I thought it was a really excellent season of TV.
I really enjoyed it so much more than the first season.
And I think, so far, of what we've gotten in
the DCU, this has been my favorite project. And I
think it's really was a beautiful showcase for you know,
the the talent and the writing skill of James gunn As.
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We know. You know, he really likes to put these
big emotional stories into his movies, like he did with
The Guardians movies for example, And I think that given
the length of a TV series like that just lend
itself to his inclinations, like even more, you have more
time to develop these relationships and get to know these characters,
so the emotional moments I think hit even harder. And
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I will say I think the tone of these final
three episodes, especially compared to some of the earlier episodes
which were kind of silly with things like Red Saint
Wild and the audition with the Justice Gang where the
mic is on, they have those gags, compared to how
really dramatic and the emotional weight of some of these
later episodes. I think the shift in that tone was
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also kind of executed pretty flawlessly in my opinion. So
I think overall was just a really excellent season of TV,
and you know, we got to I fell in love
with these characters even more. And then I think the
roadmap for where the DCU is going is laid out
pretty clearly by this finale, which we'll get into a
little bit later. But I think overall it was a
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very successful season of TV in terms of setting up
you know, what he wants to do with the universe
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Jason, how about you?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, I agree. I think that the emotional stakes were
were expanded this season. You know, it's hard to of course.
Season one, I thought the kind of redemption of Peacemaker,
him coming to terms with the traumatic events of his
childhood and his family life was really compelling. But I
(33:58):
love the way that Gunn was able to tie that
redemption to a continuing, you know, attempt by Chris to
fix his life, and also to widen the scope of
that so that we see an entire cast all the
Eleventh Street kids, like really in a state of flux,
(34:19):
you know. I think we talked about and I had
quibbles with the amount of time that some of the
characters were were in the series vision Atabio.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think, you know, obviously I would love to have
seen more of them.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
For the most part, but I thought everybody got a
really good emotional arc, and I thought the writing was fantastic.
The new cast editions, as he said, were great. This
felt like a much more confident and in his element
James Gunn, and the momentum that it had coming off
(34:52):
of Superman was wonderful.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I do agree.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Listen, do we over hype the cameos maybe a little bit? Yeah,
I think we over I think a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think one more cameo, no matter who it is. Honestly,
even if it wasn't the Big Boy in Blue, Superman
or anything. I do think if they'd have had one
big cameo in the finale, even if it was just
another like Sydney Happistine or a Lowess Lane on the TV,
people probably wouldn't have even been talking about it, because
I do think the other two were so good. I
(35:21):
think it was just this finale was definitely more focused
on I think the Eleventh Street Kids than people necessarily realize.
But as you said, Ian, I think we are gonna
I think even though for maybe some people it feels
like it's not necessarily clear where it's going, we are
going to be able to explain.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
We can break it up. Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Can listen.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I understand from the perspective of we want to make
sure that people watch this season and watch all the
way through. I think that was probably that's probably a
concern for WB But yes, I do think they oversold it.
But overall, like great season with wonderful connections to the
rest of the wider universe.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It was a show that really and this is.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
A thing that like Marvel TV has has has struggled with.
It's impactful to the overall DCEU universe, like this has
no it's gonna connect.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, it feels so well done, so smooth, so free, integrated.
Like you know, I was even thinking about the cameos.
You can tell that we're all spoiled by the fact
that James Gunn is doing this because you know, in
Marvel Cinematic Universe, you're getting a cameo from like a
very very side character, like a Sydney Happerson at best,
(36:38):
and then you don't know if you're going to see
them come back in the same way. So I think
this really did raise the bar for that connectivity.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And I will say, you know, the Lex cameo, that
was one that I wasn't personally expecting. So even though
you know, people might be disappointed that there weren't a
million huge cameos or we didn't see Superman, I still
think the cameos that we did get were unexpected but
still serve the story and makes sense. So I think
I think he threaded the balance there.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So, speaking of those connections, tell us Ian and Rosie
what we think are going to be the directions that
we head to in the wider DCEU after this and
what role Checkmate and some of these you know, beginnings
of plot lines, what kind of impact they might have
on the DCEU.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, let me, I'll explain to Checkmate are and then
you can say why it seems like it's gonna fit
because there's I think you've joined a very We've a
very clear line to like how lanterns can happen. But
Checkmate's basically an organization from Action comics originally late eighties
nineteen a eight, like Paul kopperba really big moment for DC.
(37:51):
It's basically their by kind of secondary agency. What if
Suicide Squad wasn't all villains, what if they were more
of kind of a cover operation. So this is obviously
going to be a big reimagining of that, especially because
Checkmate was connected to Amanda Waller in the comics, and
(38:11):
this is obviously our crew. I think we can basically
see them outside as the more kind of the contemporary
version of Checkmate has also been like a un security force.
I think we can imagine our kids as kind of
the off the books working for the Little Man kind
(38:31):
of version of this team. But Checkmate has had like
tons of different people who have been on it border
peace Make a vigilante most I think interestingly for the DCU,
Maxwell Lord, I think that's gonna be a big thing,
is seeing him step in and Gunn had kind of
(38:54):
said there's not going to be peace Maker season three,
and what does that mean? And I think we know
now that it's either going to be a Checkmate series
or we're even going to see some other way that
they're going to bring them back in. They now have
a cool base. So Ian, what does the introduction of
Checkmate mean going forward?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
So the introduction of Checkmate and Salvation specifically, I think
is laying the groundwork for what will be the overarching
plot of the DCU, which will be Final Crisis, which
was the two thousand and eight comic crossover, which was
a follow up to Infinite Crisis and then before that,
Crisis on Infinite Earths. So in the comic Salvation Run
(39:38):
is the name of the run. It's like a mini
series which involves Waller and Rick Flag rounding up all
the super villains and deporting them to another planet. And
as we learn in this episode in the finale, you
know the planet is supposed to be uninhabited, but there's
a little scene right at the end where the portal
closes and Chris looks around and then you hear some
kind of like creatures or animalistic noises in the back.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
It's definitely giving me some kind of like their Savage
Land exactly, vibes like dinosaurs. Also, I do want to
say connection because we love to have them. Salvation Run
two thousand and seventeen thousand eight actually based on an
idea by George R. Lmanton. Well, he was the one
who pitched the idea, and yeah, I mean so many
people end up there, Lex Luthor, the Joker, with all
(40:20):
the villains, with Tatwoman's you know, it's a really interesting one.
So how does it play ian into the crisis? Because
I think this is really where we start to get cooking.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
So it turns out that the planet is not uninhabited.
It's actually a training ground for the pair Demons, which
is Dark Sides like foot soldiers. So it's like a
training planet for Dark Sided army basically. And eventually, do
you know, during the events of leading up to final Crisis,
the villains find a way to come back and they're
understandably pissed, and so that that sets up some of
(40:57):
the things leading into Final Crisis. But I think the
way that this is going to all connect, and we
know we have the Lantern series coming up. One of
the opening plot lines in Final Crisis starts with Hal
Jordan and the Green Lantern Core investigating the murder of Orion,
who's one of the New God's dark sided Sun on.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Earth bum bum. I think that that, I think is
what l is about.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Exactly, because we already know Lances is going to be
an Earth based story. It's going to be like a
true detective murder mystery. So it seems like Final Crisis
is the path that James gun is, you know, setting
us on. He's going to adapt that in some way.
I'm sure there will be some changes from the story,
but it seems like that's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I see that mene a lot of sense. You can
see the through line also. May it goes along with
what James has been saying, which is they're going to
do a crisis. You won't see which one is coming.
Final Crisis obviously not your most famous crisis. I think
the Orion thing is such a great pully in like
that to me, is the connective tissue you killed that
(42:00):
with putting that together because the truth is that one
of the strongest things about the dark Side Law and
if you have seen Fargo season four starring Chris Rock,
you will also have seen this plotline that I'm in
a reference because Noah Hawley's biggest influence was the story
of Darkseide and his sons. I think the reason this
(42:22):
can be set up in a way that is believable
and interesting is that when Darkseide is younger and he
has these sons, they are basically traded with another son
that and switched as a way to stop like an
intergalactic war exactly. I wonder if we are gonna see
(42:42):
a version where Orian was switched with an Earth based
villain's kid, and that then you have to have so
you can have it so Orian they think he's a human,
and then you get this reveal and let's be real.
James Gunn most of unknown for Guardians of the Galaxy,
I feel like New Gods was always going to be
(43:04):
on the plate, especially because of how closely they have
bought Tom King into this and him and Ava Deverney
were working for a long time on a New God's project.
I'm hoping if that's the case, bring Ava back, she
also deserves a chance. But I mean, James Gunn doing
the New Gods is the most normal, sensical thing. If
you don't know what that is. It's Jack Kirby's crazy
(43:26):
Fourth World from nineteen seventy one. He comes back to
dc decides he's going to do this explosive, super super
dense lore about these super tech forward deities within the DCU.
It's some of the strangest stuff in the DCU and
has some of Jack Kirby's most incredible illustration and also
some of his craziest collage work. It makes so much
(43:47):
sense for James Gunn, and if this is the plot,
I am going to be so much more excited for Lantern.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I think that is such a great care And if
he is going for Final Crisis, let's do it. I
think James gun can do it. And I think I
love that he is going for these newer comics too,
Like two thousand and eight, that's almost twenty years ago.
That's what he was reading in the comic shop, right,
like why not?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And I think that's I think that's the right move too,
you know, Like I think if you look at what
Marvel did, and their success they pulled mainly mainly from
stuff that happened since ultimately two thousands. Yeah, yeah, more
recent runs.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Of course, the Infinity saga is somewhat older, but it's like, yeah, really,
it's not that that long ago. So I think this
is I think this is the right movement. I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, and I will say yeah, oh, I was just
going to say, you know, Final Crisis. I think there's
still a lot of leg work to be done to
get there. I don't think we're getting that big crossover
event anytime soon, which is I think is how it
should be because obviously, you know, there's there's only been
three projects so far. Langards is coming, but we have
a lot of groundwork to do to get there, and
(45:02):
a lot of the characters that are integral to that
storyline haven't even been introduced yet. So I think, you know,
now we like have a road map, we see where
it's going. But I still think James Gunn is gonna
take his time and plant the seeds and fully flesh
out before we get there, which I think is the
right move.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Do you guys think that the big bad of Man
of Tomorrow that Lex and Superman have to team up
against is dark Side because his son was killed on Earth.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I was wondering about that. What is going to be
the impetus to cause him to work together in that movie?
Because right now, it seems like Lex is getting everything
he wants. You know, we he hates meta humans. We
know that he's working with the government. They have this
prison planet. Sensibly, I would think one of his goals,
you know, overt or not. Maybe he's keeping this to himself,
but he's obviously trying to eat Superman through that portal.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Absolutely, what's going to be the thing that causes him
to end up having to work together? That's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I mean, I think it would be really cool.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I kind of hope not just because we need DC's
Rose Galleries awesome, and I think we just need more
villains for sure. I think I like to see the
roster of villains kind of Expand we haven't even tied
Batman's villains this world at all, Like we don't.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Know how that is.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
Flash has one of the best rogues galleries, Like, we
don't even have a whish of the Flash yet, so
we have no idea. And so I think jumping to
dark side. While it would be cool, feels like too soon,
a little too soon, So I'd like to see them
expand it.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
Fun season of telling me I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Are sad that Eleventh Street kids together.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I look forward week. I really enjoyed the season.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for being such a
big part of covering it, because it's been a joy
to have you on.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Thank you for
having me and you know, digging into this lore and
you know, doing the deep dives every week. It's been
a lot of fun. So it's been a great season
to cover and yeah, thanks sir. Let me be a
part of it.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into horror movies from twenty twenty five versus two thousand
and five, oh, twenty years of horror movies.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
That's it for this episode.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Thanks for listening, Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
And Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Our supervising producer is Abuza part.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
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