July 11, 2025 • 53 mins
Look up! It’s Jason and Rosie’s reaction pod to James Gunn’s Superman (2025) where they gush about the film, from the terrific Mr. Terrific to the excellent casting of Superman. And speaking of Superman’s casting, Joelle interviewed David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode will contain spoilers. After a short spoiler free
review of Superman, there will be spoilers for Superman twenty
twenty five, written and directed by James Gutt. Hello, my
(00:31):
name is Jason Sepsion, and on Wednesday night, and welcome
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Of course it's Saturday and today is a Friday, so
that means it is another episode of our popcorn pop out.
And guess what, guys, it's here bots number of Superman
bom and weir. You gotta have like the crazy electric
guitar that they and I'm loving it. So we are
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gonna give our spoiler free Superman reactions. Then we are
gonna be digging into the movie, talking about what we
think about it, how it delivered what we can't wait
for in the DCU. And then did you enjoy Joelle's
incredible interview with James Gunn, Well, guess what she's back
interviewing Lois and Clark themselves. Oh, David corn sweat and
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Rachel Corners sweating the corner swing, the moment that we
knew he had Corn in his name, we knew he
was the right Superman for us.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And remember, guys, we're gonna be having more Superman discussions
next week. Plus we'll be at SDCC where you can
ask us about any superhero from DC or Marvel the
first previously.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, here are our spoiler free reactions to Superman twenty
twenty five and Rosie.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
This movie is so good. It's good. It's really good,
like it's good, it's good good movies. It was feeling
like we didn't know where someone was gonna go. Is
this gonna be good? Is Fantastic four gonna be good?
There's a lot weighing on these.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
High high bar, I will say for Fantastic fool it's
a competition, even though it is, but it's not and
high bar. I don't know what the box office will be.
I haven't been really keeping up with the minute to
minute reactions. I just think this movie's really good, like
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it gave me, like Marvel's The Avengers feelings a.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Good movie like that. It is feeling exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They're saying, let's see the first movie in James goun
in Pizza. Saf Franz revamped DC Universes is deadline to
fly around the world to at least two hundred million opening. Well,
if it did a two hundred million global opening, that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Would be pretty sud It's great stop. Honestly, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It could do more because it currently around eighty five
percent fresh with over one hundred reviews, and generally I
just feel like people are excited for it. There was
also early prime screenings yesterday for it, so they've already
got the fans out there.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Aboo.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Super producer Boo Esques, does it feel like Iron Man
did in two thousand and eight the start of an Era? No,
it feels I'm more excited by this iron Man I
really really enjoyed. At the same time, it was not
clear to me that at that particular time that Marvel,
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which kind of was not a it was baby Studios,
was it was Baby Marvel Studios and early iteration of
the of the corporate entities that became Marvel Studios, it
was not clear that they'd ever actually be able to
follow through with any plan to do the Avengers, and
so I enjoyed it as what I thought was like
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a good one off film that maybe we get a sequel,
but certainly would not get extend Universe.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
This movie.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Has me just really excited for what's to come, and
I just thought it was so expertly done. It's just
like James Gunn knows how to do this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
He does, and I think that you make a good point,
which is something that ironically feels really fresh even though
this is what things were like before two thousand and eight.
This movie just throws you right into a crazy kind
of experience of being a superhero living in a superhero world,
and that feels fresh after you know, almost twenty years
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of people trying to replicate the MCU. Now, obviously, James
Gunn has also worked within the MCU extensively with Guardians
of the Galaxy, and there are moments in this film
where I think you get a little bit of that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And the Isaiah we.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Went to see it and he was like, oh, yeah,
likes there's a scene, a really good fight scene, and
and it has like one of the few needle drops
in the movie, and he was like, oh, it's giving
Guardians of the Galaxy, and I was like, yes, And
luckily that was just almost like a nod to the
way that he made those movies. It's, rather than making
it about him, replicating that this feels very different, feels
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very hopeful, feels very fun, is incredibly colorful, and yeah,
just a really fun movie. I'm excited because I do
feel like, for the most part, this is a very
accessible for kids movie, because kids just watch stuff that's.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Just full of crazy action.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They catch up, they know the law, they probably already
know all these characters because they watch NonStop video essays
on YouTube. And yeah, I'm I'm interested to see how
it lands. I think it could be a massive smash
or I think it could be a long legs slow
burn word of mouth hit.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But it feels like it's going to play through Summa
to me.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I agree, and I think it will. I think it's
gonna say a lot about where we are in the
superhero burnout index.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yes, I like that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is the general audience truly out or is this something
new enough to appeal to them. I think Gun has
launched this story in a way to your point that
you don't need like a tremendous there are guys around
like superheroes are there. They're running around all around the
city having battles in the backgrounds of.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Scenes that are ongoing.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Very fun, but it's not like you need to know
a tremendous amount about them. And you learn Gun is
so good at giving you character things in dialogue that
if you're not a comics nerd gives you a lot
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of background about them. But if you are a comic
s neert, you're like, oh, that's a cool No, that's
a cool character. Like like mister terrific has I was
gonna say, let's.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's talk when we get in the spoilers.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Let's dig into this terrific because I do think that
is one of the standout things that truly really make
this movie uh kind of blow up and make people
really excited to talk about it. So, yes, that's I
guess that's all spoiler free. Go see it the combo,
go see it, and then once you to.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This, go see it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, and then once you've seen it, come back and
listen to us talk about spoilers.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Next ye.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And we're back. Okay, let's now really dig in to
the film and talk spoilers and talk all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Let's mister Terrific first of all, because he's.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We have to we talked about in the spoiler free
you know, it kind of alluded to the fact that
Gun is so good at it putting in these kind
of character colors in dialogue that they're both moving the
story along and telling you, like who this character is.
And I thought mister Terrific had some great examples of this.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh yeah, and Guy Gardner as well.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Where there where you know, there's the scene where Terrific
is transporting everyone to the military base to find out,
like what's the Superman's last position was tracked to there,
and there's a short exchange about like kind of about
religion sort of, and he's basically conveys his stand affishness
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towards the concept of organized religion in a way that
like gives you this kind of background on who this
character is, but also in the flow of the popcorn movie.
And this movie is full of moments like that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, there's so much good stuff here, And I think
that it really starts with the opening of the movie,
which essentially establishes the fact that in this universe three
hundred years ago, meta humans aka superheroes as we know,
the empowered people were kind of discovered on Earth, so
you've been living already for three centuries with that. Then
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three decades ago, Clark in his little baby Kryptonian spaceship
crashed on the Earth. And then three years ago he
came out publicly and said I'm Superman, I'm an alien,
and then we learned, you know, three hours ago America
was attacked by this metallic, kind of heavily armored new
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character James created called the Hammer of Barovia. And then
three minutes ago Superman just lost his own fights. I screen,
it's so good, it's so funny. We have him slam
into the the kind of wild of the Antarctica, and
then we get that great moment that we'd all seen
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with Crypto, and I just think it establishes a world
of Hey, I trust.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You as an audience, you've done this before.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When you've watched other Superman movies or other Star Wars movies.
You've dealt with a crawl. You understand the world. And
now there's no.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
How did this happen? Why is it like this?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
James Gunn just throws you into this kind of gods
and monster's space and says, hey, this is where we
are now, and meet David corn Sweat as Superman, who
is I think a top tier Superman casting. It has
now become very clear.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
He nails it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We're so good. He's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
At a certain point, we're going to say that mister
Terrific stole the movie. We are and it's true, not true,
it's I believe that we're only saying that because it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Superman,
he nailed it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, move on.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's fucking hard to nail that because.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
He's got to do.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's got to be good. He's got to be almost
a boy scout, but not a dummy, like, not naive
an idiot. He's got to be very trusting, but not
a dupe where you're like, no, hey give me your wallet, man,
I gotta check something you walk like. He can't be
that guy. He's got to be smart but open hearted.
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And while we're going to say that mister Terrific stole
the movie because he has some great hammer lines and.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Actually great, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think I have the Corn Squad performance is really
really hard to nail, and he nails it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He does.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
He's so brilliant, he's so kind. If you have had
enough of scary doc Superman, this is a great situation
where you get to see a Superman who is dealing
with the ramifications of being so powerful but choosing to
not use that power to overwhelm or oppress or rule.
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And I think that is always what's one of the
most interesting things about Superman, and this film deals with
it in a really interesting way. But it's funny because
it sounds like, you know, we're talking about that, we're
talking about the kind of emotional heart, which this film
does have a lot of. But this is also a
film with like there's Kaiju the there's a rift in
the space, there's multiple flying ships, there's like five hundred characters,
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so it's also keeps you going, Jason. Character Wise, this
is a ridiculously big cast with so many funny like
not just like Sarah Sampio as a eve Kashmaker, which
I loved her performance. I thought she was that was
such a funny twist on that role that seems like
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a deep cut character. But then you also have like
Sydney Happerson, who's been in like he's Lex Luthor's assistant,
like James.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Really went for the deep cut.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Even outside of the Justice Gang, the super the Superman
characters that we kind of know, who was a standout
for you?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh my god? I mean Eddie is Eggie is mister trific,
is absolutely razor sharp in every single scene.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Looks so cool too, Like I think, so cool. It's
like the best mister Terrific. We've never had him in
live action apart from on the cw Ara verse, but
this is like a definitive performance. Has Eddie should be
playing this ten years if.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He has a tremendous presence despite being very still for
most of the movie, like he does it all with
just like his eyes and his voice. Yeah, But you
know what, I kind of came away thinking, I hope
that one day Nicholas Holt gets to do role where
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we're like, fuck, Nicholas Holt is good, isn't he? Like?
And I don't think that will come in a in
a genre IP movie such as this, such as he's
been in a lot of. But he is fucking great
as Lex and is just generally good in everything I've
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ever seen him be.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I feel like he channels a lot of the great
in this where he's kind of this like.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like he's obsessive.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So path I said that last night, he's like Peter
in the Great but like I just kind of amped
up to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, he's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
There's moments in this movie where he kind of really
lets loose, especially near the end, when he's kind of
one of the cool things about this vision of Lex,
which also I'm sure there's many things in this movie
that James Gunn is feeling exceptionally prophetic about, but one
of them is the fact that Lex Lutha as like
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a group of like teenage boy gamers that he uses
to basically beat up Superman because he's learned all these
different potential moves and he can use them to train
these kind of experimented on or mutated heroes that he's making,
like the Engineer or as we will find out, like the.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Character that we think is Ultraman.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And it's really there's a scene near the end when
Superman is fighting with Ultraman, who is revealed to be
a clone of Superman very comic Bookie very much, setting
up a kind of bizarro situation for the future, and
he is just like he's like saying, like a one
A one a one, and it's just him pretending to
punch as we see the clone Superman punch him, and
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he just like he's so good and so smart and
so kind of sassy and so sad, and even his
performance is so good that at the end when he
gets his rightful come up and yeah, he's kind of
righting for this crazy because he is awful. He has
done nothing for.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Any good reason, like he does not have it. He
is just jealous.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And he says that he's like, I am envious and
that is why I'm doing this, Like I love the
line where there is kind of essentially you learn very
early on in the movie International Conflict that Superman has
inserted himself into by stopping a war, and he's like, well,
I was just representing myself. But everyone is like, well,
don't you represent America? Isn't that the whole thing? And
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he is facing down this clone at the end and
Lex says to him, no, don't you understand. He's like,
I didn't like get involved with the Bravian Jaraporian War
because I, you know, because I wanted the land. He's like,
I created that situation so I could kill you and
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I was like, Okay, Lex, you're insane.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I mean, I'm glad you mentioned that that speech about jealousy,
because to me, that's what elevated this depiction of Lex
from like, you know, regular kind of mustache twirling villain
to something with a lot more pathless. Like he's aware
of it. He's like, I know, I understand. He's like, yeah,
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it is a weakness, like I am jealous of you
and that sucks about me and I can admit that
that's a thing, but I can't. I need to kill
you because I do to stop doing that, you know, like,
and the fact that it's so on the surface really
it really humanizes him as terrible and as fucking like
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a cartoonish as he is at times. And yeah, Nicholas Holt,
I just love it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What is a performance that you came away with that
you were like, well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think for me, I'm basically every Me and Joelle
both said this and not interviews with Eddie.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We were like, you are the breakout role.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You are the breakout characters, miss the terrific I love
that character.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Anyway, but it's really great to see him at the
center here.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, this definitely could have been like Superman and
Mister Terrific if we did like more honest it almost
you know, and he essentially also is he gets to
be equal to Superman and annoyed with Superman and kind
of almost like a mentor figure, but not in a
way that takes away from who he is or what
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he's doing.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I thought he was really great.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm I'm excited to see more of Isabella Massaid as
Hawk Girl. I love the choice to just have her
screaming constantly, super unsettling.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's really weird. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I really enjoyed how the character, her costume and Guy's
costume were basically kind of versions of the Mister Terrific
costume like in the comics the Terrifics. I was also
wondering if at some point that was the team name
they were going to go for and that change, because
it seems very Terrifics coded, which is kind of Mister
Terrifics team. But I thought that Justice Gang stuff was funny.
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I love Guy Gardiner, I thought, I thought, yeah, I'm
a Guy Gardener lover. In the comics to what I
thought was really great about this, and if you've listened
to the podcast, you have heard me complain about this
so many times. This movie does not have a Green
Lantern issue. Instead, this movie is one of the most
inventive and funny uses of green lantern powers that we've
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ever seen. He's creating muzzles for Kaiji, he's using he's
making mittens to stop it from chloring, and then to
everybody's joy. In both screenings I went to at the
end when they finally decide that they're gonna help Superman
and stop this war, he is like constantly like knocking
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over tanks using giant green middle fingers, like this is
not a green lantern who struggles with imagination, which I
feel like is every other Green Lantern.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And I thought that the banter that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
They built up between the Justice Gang was real, really
good and felt like, yes, they've been working together. I
also thought it was really interesting how much world building
there is to stuff that will clearly come into play later.
But the fact that, for example, we see Maxwell Lord
one time on a TV played by James's brother Shawn Gunn,
but every single computer is made by Lord Tech, every
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single recorder is made by Lord Tech. The Justice Gang
is paid for by Lord Tech, so I think there's
some really interesting stuff to dig into. I also think
the three hundred years timeline is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Oh yeah, because then if you want.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
To do swamp thing and you want it to be
in the twenties, or you want to do clay Face,
then it's going to be a horror. You don't have
to set it after this, you can set it before this.
You can establish almost these different chapters in how the
world deals with superheroes. I also think something I thought
was really funny about this movie that was really well
done and I think was a great kind of just
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a little it's a little hack, right if.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You say that the world is really used to superheroes.
Something in the MCU that will always.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Be cracking up about it is like, doesn't matter how
many times something falls from the sky, everyone in the MCU.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Is like, ah, oh no, it's happening again.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Everyone in superhero Superman's well is just like a rift
in this ocean. Yeah, okay, that is We've dealt with
this for like three hundred years, like we're just doing
our best.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
There's that scene that was from the teaser and then
from the first kind of official images right where you're
seeing this battle against some interdimensional something as the imp
an and the Justice Gang is fighting it while a
depressed Superman, you know, saddened after the reveal that his
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parents were actually meg maniacal like concerors, conquerors, you know,
eager to enslave other planets, and how hopefully hoping that
their son would do this do that to Earth, is
you know, talking with Lois about just his feelings and
what's going on. Meanwhile, like there's this imp battle going
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on in the back and everybody's eight. She's like, are
you gonna help.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Them with them? And he's where they got? Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I love the way this leads me to one of
my other favorite things, which I'm sure you as the
as the Father of Donna were also loving. But like,
I love how much he loves Crypto because Crypto is
not a good dog.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Crypto is a bad dog. Crypto.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Not to insult Crypto, I love your Crypto or Jolene
who bought Crypto to life on set, but I love
the way that in that moment he says to Lois,
He's like, She's like, oh, were you out there helping them?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
The Justice Gang fight this, you know, giant eyeball.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
In the sky and he's like, nah, I was looking
for the dog, And I'm like, yes, that driving force
of the kind of humanity of wanting to protect a
creature who is scared and who is alone and who
doesn't have anyone else. I find that to be very
true to whose Superman is. I also loved how much
he saves so many animals and kids, And ever since
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the trailer launched, David Contwett has been saying this great
kind of thing about the reason he thinks Superman wears
the colors and he wears the trunks is because he
has so much power that if he didn't appear silly,
kids would be scared of him, and he doesn't want
kids to be scared of him. And I love the
moments where after he would save the town or save
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the city or whatever, they would always kids would always
just want to come up and hug him. And I
love that because I think that's very true to who
Superman is and always has been. And I just thought
that stuff was so well handled. And it is a huge,
kind of sprawling.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Movie with this massive cast.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But when I was watching it last night again, I
was like, Oh, this is gonna be a movie that
I'm just going to be able to turn on and
watch when Yeah, which is the dream, it's going to
be any kind of superhero movie, it's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Gonna be one be rewatchable. To your point about the
goodness of Superman, which again I think is handled so well.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And is so.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Is so perfect tonally and balance wise, with the performance
of the writing, everything with the depiction, with the way
he's shot that I think he I really do believe
that corn, sweat, and gun make it look easy, like
how because I think that's again that's it look so
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But it also just struck me watching it that every
time Superman's on the screen, it's like a full force
repudiation of the Snyder Verse, and it's depicted of Superman,
like the way that he is saving literally saving squirrels
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from being crushed during the midst of a Kaiju battle
and then when the kaiju is killed, and this is
very so.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
This is so when he's.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like when they're fighting the Kaiju and he's like, we
gotta get it out of here, maybe up to space
where we can study it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And that's Zoo and that just from the inside.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And he's so upset when it's killed. It just felt
like a complete repudiation of like specifically like the end
fight of Man of Steel, which I actually like is
an action scene, but it always just felt like, there's
no way Superman is going to let the city get
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wrecked like this without saving people or trying to evacuate
them to somewhere and there is that is not a
problem in this way.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was gonna say this that this is definitely a
movie that answers the collateral damage question because then Superman.
Superman is trying to stop any kind of collateral damage.
We see him, you know, lifting up a building to
let one.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Car one yet.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And I love the kind of implication, Hey, you don't
need to show him going into every building and saving
every person, because the implication is there that if this
man is willing to save a squirrel to always go
and save every single child, then you know that he
is doing his best. And it is really quite uplifting
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and hopeful to see a Superman like that and to
get to kind of explore it in the scope of
a world where there are clearly other heroes who have
been established before Superman and they are kind of tired
of his They're like, well, you don't get to just
come in and be the new kid suddenly like country
bump kick pickinning your way about, like oh, don't kill
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the kaiju, like we're here to do a job.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
But he manages to do it in a way that
is like, you know, not too kind of Pollyanna. Oh
golly gosh.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Don though even Cornswet is so good at those moments.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He says it a lot. I also I love opening.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
After he gets when he gets saved and protected by
the supermam robots and they kind of light him up
with the yellow sun and they're like, oh no, but
you're only eighty percent healed. And he's like gotta get
back to the fray. And I'm like, oh my god,
you're such a dog and I love you. Let's go
to a break and then when we're back, let's talk
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about Crypto.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, am I back? Dogs dog. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I thought that this was the perfect amount of crypto
and then the perfect amount of danger for Crypto. We
had a Joel and I were talking after the movie
about like, yeah, I never for a moment was like
Gun's gonna kill Crypto. It never, but he put him
in just enough danger that you're like, man, fuck Lex Luthor.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah. Literally.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I had a friend who I made hilariously through listening
to this pod called Jordan, who was like texted me
and was like, Hey, when you see the movie, I
just need to know if the dog dies.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And I was like, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
In ironic because with the way that the movie leaves
off and kind of the big reveal about that, we
do get to meet Supergirl in this movie, which is
very fun, and Crypto is her dog, just like in
the comics. There was in the comic that they are
adapting as Supergirl, there is a fake out Crypto dies
moment which is very unpopular, and ironically she brings him
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to heal and I do wonder if this is maybe
halfway through the Supergirl movie because of that, and she
comes back, but it's unclear. I'm excited to see where
that goes. But yes, I was very glad to see
super Crypto does not get killed.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
He is a good boy bad.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Just from a just from a movie industry and ganomics perspective,
you don't kill the dog. That's how your movie bombs.
That's just forget storytelling. Forget like, you know, the Red
Badge of Courage and Old Yeller and all those cartbreaking
stories of a dog death, John Wick, etc. You don't
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kill the dog in this kind of movie unless it's
the third movie.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, exactly, then, you know. But also that's why there's
literally a website called does the Dog Die? Because that
is how much people you don't do it. You don't
do it and fantastic. Also crazy that.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Crypto is essentially almost all CGI.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Looks, really good, looks fantastic.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You can tell a little bit, you can tell a
little bit, but it's not too uncanny. Valley Anna, he's
just so cute, you're always happy to see him. I
love how badly behaved he is for Clark, and I
love that in that moment where we get to meet
Kara for those kind of two minutes and.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She calls Clock a bitch and she's just.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Like, let me give me a we get to learn
why Crypto is so crazy. It's because she's just constantly
rough housing with Crypto, because that's just what the two
of them do, you know, And yeah, I thought that
was really fun. Crypto is definitely very toy etic. The
whole movie is pretty toy etic like they've done. They
sent me like a crypto drone that you control with
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your hand and it flies above your hand, which is
really cute. They have like a Kaiju toy where Superman
can like punch his Tommy.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So I'm I think Ian, and it's like and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
The Kaiju toy like spills out, slide out of its
guts or something. So I think, Ian, you make a
great point in the chat where you're like, gotta sell
some toys, and this is definitely a movie where you
can do that. Mostly interestingly because I think of the
color palette and the designful. When I smoke to James
Gunn at the junket for DC, you'll be able to
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see that interview soon.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He was, I brought up Frank quietly because I just feel.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Like there's so much metamorpho looks, so Frank quietlyish, there's
all this kind of heavy, intricate design work when Superman's
face gets fucked up from the Kryptonite. And I brought
up Frank quietly, and he was like, yeah, well he
is probably the biggest artistic influence after Segull and Shuster.
And he was like, and Jamie Grant's colors on All
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Star Superman. Who was the colors? That is really the
colors that we pulled for the movie, and.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
That is true. I think that's why it's really colorful.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And shiny and kind of has this almost hyper real,
like kids playing with toys kind of energy to it,
and I think that works really well.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Okay, let's talk about what we think this movie portends
for the DCU going forward. You mentioned, for instance, that
we only see Maxwell Lord, the CEO of the Lord
co Operation who funds the Justice Gang asterisk if it
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seems like that's their real name now after.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Justice Gang for a while, you know, Justice And even
that is a funny nod because it's like they don't
want to be the Justice League. The whole of Justice
is that like, at some point this must have happened,
but this is that new, you know, It's.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So here is my, here's my. Here's one thing I'm
wondering as a setup coming off of this movie, is
Maxwell Lord a meta human yet?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And are the.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Justice Gang like under his mind control at all? Like
it didn't seem that way, but I wonder, like what
you make is.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I think you make a really important point because the
truth is in all different versions of him.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He has been kind of, you.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Know, a super villain who can also sometimes be an ally.
I would also say I think what we're really seeing
here is like him putting together the Justice League International,
which is kind of the big moment from the comics
where he helps establish them.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So I'm very interested to see I do think.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That we are gonna see his more maniacal side come out.
I also will say that with Lex Luthor mentioning that,
you know, calling Clark like a Martian and Clark being like, well,
actually I'm a Kryptonian, we can assume that Marsha Manhunna
is here in this world. Yes, And I am very
excited to see where we go from here because there
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are moments in here. Like me and one of my
brilliant editors at IGN Ameilia, Me and her and Joel
were really vibing on this movie, and she was cracking
me up, kind of talking about we were trying to
remember the name of the fictional band that Clark loves.
They're called the Mighty crab Joys. They're kind of a
Newfound Glory esque band they play during the credits, and
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I was like, okay, well I thought they were the
Fabulous crab Joys, but that doesn't exist. But when it
was the Mighty crab Joys, they were actually already mentioned
in Creature Commandos because Frankenstein he wears like a T
shirt of them, and everyone's always ragging on him how
they're a bad band.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So I kind of love that these seeds are already there.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, I'm actually really just excited to see, like I
would watch a completely tonally different film or story in this,
and I think that's what he's done really well. For example,
we know that in the Green Lantern Show, which will
star you know, a far more serious version, we have
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Aaron Pierre as John Stewart. We have Friday Night Lights
as Hal Jordan, and it's going to be kind of
a murder mystery, true Detective inspired show. But Guy Gardiner
is going to be in that show. So I want
to s I see the ways that these things kind
of lean into each other. And I will say another
question I've been getting a lot is, oh, what about
hawk Man. You know we get hawk Girl here. I
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want to say, I love Alvis Hodges hawk Man. I
would love for that to be something they bring back.
I don't think it's going to be the case here
obviously Black Adam famous flop, not just that. I think
what they are setting up here. Something me and Joelle
have talked about is a John Stewart Hawk girl romance
and Pierre Isabella Masad. I think there's so many different
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ways that this is going to interact with what we've
seen in the comics, what we've seen in Justice League Unlimited,
which is definitely a massive influence on this film, the animation,
so I'm just really excited to see where this goes.
I think the tonal shift between creature Commandos, this Peacemaker,
but the way that Gun has so far been managed
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to kind of like meld them all together is really
impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I want to talk about that tone because something that
a take that I was sharpening while I was watching
Superman last night and kind of getting blown away by
it is and TBD maybe Fantastic four is amazing. We
talked a lot, you know, during the Height of the
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MCU and the Tale of the MCU about how its
specific tone was like right for that time. I now
wonder if the more heightened version of Superheroes, where the
metaphor is, you know, he's an immigrant, but it's not
like it's not you know, we just saw the the
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latest Captain America movie get riddled with cuts in an
attempt to make it less like the real world and
to make the the That's not a problem in this
movie because the metaphor is so comic booked and heightened,
but almost more powerful because of that. Like, Yeah, I'm
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sitting there being like, this is the salve, this is
the bomb that we need right now.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
That's how I always belief in like bullshit, like this
is the exact thing that I needed right now. I
don't want a reflection of the world necessarily, and I
and it left me wondering if DC's tone inherent universal
tone is kind of perfect for is kind of what's
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necessary for a hit superhero movie right now and TBD
on the box office and all of that. But I
was really affected by it, and it's it and it's
a definite and it's definitely like a different tonal approach
than what you we're used to with the MCU, which
was great when it was happening, and so I wonder
if it's I think they might be bias, but I
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don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think it could be.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I also think that the fact that they eschewed any
kind of Avengerce Phase one style, like we have to
build this up and try to replicate it, and instead
went for this kind of old school establishing a world,
throwing people into it, and trusting.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
The audience shows that we are in a different era.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And I do think that a struggle that is going
to come out of Fantastic Four, though obviously we haven't
seen it, is they are already trying to connect it
to everything that came before. We know there was the
connection between the Thunderbolts and this. There is a lot
of baggage and homework there, I would say, and you
can do homework on Superman because you loved the movie
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and you want to know all these characters, and it's
not really going to be homework. It's going to be
a blessing of incredible comic books from some of the
greatest creators of all time. But you could also just
watch the movie and enjoy it and you'll probably have
a great time. And I think that accessibility is going
to be really appealing. Okay, so something we actually haven't
even covered, hilariously is this is also a movie that
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deals with super hero romance in a way we haven't
really seen. You know. Obviously, the MCU has the Captain
America and his girlfriend and all that origin. The original
Spider Man's the Samuraimi Spider Mans. So we get a
kind of modernized situation ship space.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
For Clark and Lois here.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Rachel Brosnahan as lois bringing that kind of savvy, fierce
journalistic ethics which I think are established really well in
kind of the opening apartment scene between her and Clark.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
How did the relationship work for you Bia Cracker scene?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I mean, the chemistry is so it needs to kill,
and it kills, Like you believe that they are they're
in love, but they're deep. They're trying to process that
truth and to try to reckon with what that means
considering that he's in super powered alien and she's a
regular woman, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
How do how do we work this?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's there's also the aspect of like we're trying to
hide this from the people we work with. Yeah, no,
by the you know, like it's very clear.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
How a good question because like you know, the end
of it does kind of imply that Jimmy is aware
that she's fucking Jimmy certain, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, And but then does that mean that Jimmy knows
who Clark is?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I think Lois is the only one who knows Clark
I is Superman, right.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I think that's probably And I think that we
we didn't even talk about the Hypno Glasses, which is
a wonderful cannon pull, like an older cannon Paul, because.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
There was an interview recently with James Gunn where he
the in Rolling Stone where the guy mentioned the very
controversial Hypno Glasses and was like, hey, this was like
very hated. Are you gonna do this? And James is like, yeah,
I only know about that because of Tom King. And
then I watched the movie and I was like, okay,
so Tom King told you to do this, which is
legit like one of the most hated cannon choices of
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all time, which I just think is so funny and
I love it, and I kind of love I love
that they because originally the Hypno Glasses was like presented
by a letter writer who was like, hey, guys, I
got this really good idea end up getting pulled from cannon.
But I kind of love the way that they were
just like, yeah, that's how it works. That's kind of
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everything about this movie. And I think that for me
it works the kind of notion of like, hey, this
is just how it is. Can you believe in the world?
Do you buy it? And if you buy it, then
you can enjoy it? And I think that's not one
really fun thing part of.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Why it worked.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I completely agree with you, because for me, part of
why it worked was that I almost didn't need it
like it was I was. The disbelief was so suspended already, yeah,
because I was having such a good time that I
was like.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, fine, Also, I have no I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
He looks kind of different when he has that funny
ass hack cut and buy.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It like everybody's so winning. But when they interu so
when they introduce it, and they do it in such
a again a comics canon authentic way where it's just like, yeah,
the super people know who Zuerman is because they're part
of the superhero community and they just like the cloth,
as Guy would say, And when he reveals the hypnoglasses,
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it's just like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I also love the way I buy it, he says
to He's She's like, you better stop interviewing yourself, or
like somebody's gonna catch on.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And he's like, but what about the glasses?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And she's like, it's not gonna work for that long,
my guy, and I love like everyone in the audience
got to have that laugh. I think for me, that's
what James Gun can do really well, is he can
succinctly encapsulate a conversation that the audience will have or
have been having, and make it something where people want
to talk.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
To your point. He he wrong foots the audience in
a really smart way, which is he seems to have
a instinct for when the audience might be about to say, yeah,
but why don't they recognize him, And before they're able
to do that, he gives you the answer. So you
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haven't answered, you haven't asked the question yet. And he
does that in myriad ways throughout the film and just
freaking they nailed it.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
This was really I really loved it. It's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Before we go into Joelle's fantastic interview, what are you
most excited for now coming out of this movie?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm just the rest of the dc the DCU. I
think Supergirl the setup now is fantastic, is going to
be a very different character than Superman.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And again.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Gun's ability to distill the authentic comic book character into
something that is palatable on a movie like Modern Modern
It's got the kernel, so funny, what the is and
so like, I'm really excited for that next movie and
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it has me, you know, absolutely thrilled to see how
the Justice League will come together, Like, I think that's
gonna be really cool.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I'm really excited, ironically because this was I'm not a lot.
I wasn't as much of a peace Maker season one
fan as everyone else, though it's a great show. I
just wanted to explore different, shocking, shocking, peace Maker shocking me,
peace make it to I know peace Maker cameo very fun,
but I I did.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I loved James Gunn's The Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I still think this and Superman and that are probably
equal for me on my fave James gun movies now.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But I am interested.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
To see peace Maker season two because I want to
stay in this world and I think that we are
going to get more of this world, more of these
connections in that second season, and I think that is
going to broaden what peace Maker can do. And I
also just think that the amount of trust that DC
has with James Gunn and Peter Saffran and this team
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is so immense, Like people organically freaked out when they
saw Peacemaker in this movie in a way I have
any for a long time, same with super Girl, like
when they were like your cousins here. And I haven't
been in a movie screen probably since like Multiverse of
Madness where it really felt like people were kind of
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getting these like, oh wow moments.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
So I'm excited to see that expand.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And I'm excited to do a round table with our
producers because I'm sure everyone's got some hilarious takes.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Before we go to Joel's interview with James Gunn, I
want to leave us with this thought that I had
Cleaves Thornway played by Michael Ian Black the kind of
I guess Fox Newsish host of the Sphere talk show
cable news program The Interviews Lex, The Interviews Peacemaker and
various other people. Okay, are you able to discern like
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what his what his broadcast schedule is, because it appears
like his show is just on at all hours of
the day and night, like he might do twelve hours
twelve hour broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Dude, it's every time they cut to the TV.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Every time he's on like talking to somebody. It's like
one daytime nighttime.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Kind of like how it was when Tucker Carlson was
always online, where it's just like it doesn't matter whether
it's new or whether it's live.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
He was just always there.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
He's matters really how they feel with this, It's like
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
He's got a take on it.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
And his line reads were so good, like the way
that everyone just died when he was Like we had
Lex Luthor on this show many times, but little did
we know he was a traitor, and everyone in the cinema.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Was just like fucking screaming with laugh. That's so fun.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Okay, we're gonna go to a quick break and when
we come back, our interview with Superman and Lewis themselves.
Davie Laurence and Rachel Project.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Thank you guys so much for being here.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
I'm so excited to talk to you guys. I loved
this movie, like in a way I was not prepared
for at all, and I think both of your performances
had so much to do with that. You know, I
know this is your first like at this level of
genormous franchise that you guys have done, How are you
guys able to help each other as co stars get
through this process.
Speaker 6 (47:40):
That I'm so glad you brought that up, because when
I think about the beginning of the process, especially sort
of before we had gotten into pre production costume fittings
and all that, my first grounding presence was Rachel and
we had a we not only in the screen test,
which wasn't so grounding because it was so quick and
we didn't know where we were, but once we once
we had the roles and and we we got breakfast
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in New York, and it was supposed to be sort
of a you know, a uh, you know, get to
know each other, and we had set aside, you know,
breakfast is about an hour, but we ended up talking
for about three hours, wow, and just losing track of
time and how many breakfasts I had ordered so many?
And and we talked a little bit. We talked a
lot about the film and what we were getting ready for,
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but we also just talked about Rachel's had some experience
with a with a project that has a lot of
attention and has great fans, and so I was asking
her some questions about maybe you know, her experience there
and what we might have to expect, and that has
carried through to this moment where she's my rock and these.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Interviews emotional support animal.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
Well, I said Nick was my emotional support actor Kimmel,
so we got to count with something else.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Sorry, I didn't see your interview that you did with Nick.
I don't care about him at all.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
It was very interview.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, no, we we it's been.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
This is beyond anything that either of us has experienced,
and it's just been I know. I keep turning to
you at so many of these premieres and being like,
are you seeing this, because it's just it's been the
warmest welcome and we feel so lucky. I feel so
lucky to be a part of this cast, but also
to have you as a we'll come up with another name,
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as sort of a grounding force and all this. David
has this remarkable ability to stand with both feet planted
firmly on the ground and shut out all the noise,
and it's I think that's the only way to do
something like this, and then to be able to be
in situations like this one on one and hear and
really experience people who have enjoyed this film.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I love that your friendship really resonates throughout the film.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
Oh we're not friends, We're just coworkers.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
We're just here for each other, but we need to
be a breaks.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
And I've heard Nick talk about how the cape was
such a big part of like transforming into Superman and
the way oh and everything, uh dvid And so I
wanted to ask you, is there a part of the
Lowis Lane costume that helped you feel like you were
really stepping into her?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
It was the necklace.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
For me.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Nobody's nobody's really asked that before. So thank you.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
You're wearing a necklace.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
It was not my necklace. Never took it off. There's
a necklace that Lois wears and the costume designer, Judiana,
and I spent quite a bit of time picking out
what was on it, and I'm keeping that to myself.
But for me, the necklace kind of pulled it all together.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
I have to really pay more attention the next time
I watched this a really fun detail. I think this
movie has the potential to become like one of the
iconic Superman movies of the history of Superman. And I
was wondering if you guys could tell me what you
think about each other's performances, will most stand out? Like,
what's most iconic about.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
What you thought?
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Well, we have a great out for this question because
we haven't seen the film, have seen the premiere, because
we want that full experience with the crowd at the
premiere in La.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Me and Nick and David are going to hold hands
and squeeze each other's little FINGI and exciting things happen
on screen.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
I think what stands out about Rachel in what I
have seen of her performance, which is most of it
in person, is her the way she balances a severe
and intimidating intensity for the work, both as an actress
and as Lois Lane for her work, and the warmth
that radiates underneath that I think keeps Superman in the
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room maybe a little longer than he should stay in
the room, and keeps David the actor feeling supported and
taken care of and excited to keep coming to work
every day.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I think it's the this is obviously you know, he's
an alien. Superman is an alien who is curious.
Speaker 6 (51:56):
About Superman's an alien.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Superman is an alien who's and David is a little
bit of an alien, but he's curious about and has
this great love for humanity. And watching David be able
to stay so honest and at the same time show
all these different colors of him, which which many of
which I don't think have been shown before. To find
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the humor but from the most grounded place, it all
felt rooted in this core belief system, this kind of
third character that David so beautifully crafted, This Clark who
was raised on the farm by man Pa Kent, for
whom both Superman and Clark Kent at the Daily Planet
are characters in a way. Watching that third character come
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to life was really spectacular.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
And I can't answer my questions which is Superman or Clark?
And I love third character. That's perfect.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
Thank you questions, really appreciate them.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into new that's a new episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and
Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
And Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
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Speaker 3 (53:20):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bay Wax.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
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songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode will contain spoilers. After a short spoiler free
review of Superman, there will be spoilers for Superman twenty
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Of course it's Saturday and today is a Friday, so
that means it is another episode of our popcorn pop out.
And guess what, guys, it's here bots number of Superman
bom and weir. You gotta have like the crazy electric
guitar that they and I'm loving it. So we are
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gonna give our spoiler free Superman reactions. Then we are
gonna be digging into the movie, talking about what we
think about it, how it delivered what we can't wait
for in the DCU. And then did you enjoy Joelle's
incredible interview with James Gunn, Well, guess what she's back
interviewing Lois and Clark themselves. Oh, David corn sweat and
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Rachel Corners sweating the corner swing, the moment that we
knew he had Corn in his name, we knew he
was the right Superman for us.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And remember, guys, we're gonna be having more Superman discussions
next week. Plus we'll be at SDCC where you can
ask us about any superhero from DC or Marvel the
first previously.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, here are our spoiler free reactions to Superman twenty
twenty five and Rosie.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
This movie is so good. It's good. It's really good,
like it's good, it's good good movies. It was feeling
like we didn't know where someone was gonna go. Is
this gonna be good? Is Fantastic four gonna be good?
There's a lot weighing on these.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
High high bar, I will say for Fantastic fool it's
a competition, even though it is, but it's not and
high bar. I don't know what the box office will be.
I haven't been really keeping up with the minute to
minute reactions. I just think this movie's really good, like
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it gave me, like Marvel's The Avengers feelings a.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Good movie like that. It is feeling exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They're saying, let's see the first movie in James goun
in Pizza. Saf Franz revamped DC Universes is deadline to
fly around the world to at least two hundred million opening. Well,
if it did a two hundred million global opening, that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Would be pretty sud It's great stop. Honestly, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It could do more because it currently around eighty five
percent fresh with over one hundred reviews, and generally I
just feel like people are excited for it. There was
also early prime screenings yesterday for it, so they've already
got the fans out there.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Aboo.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Super producer Boo Esques, does it feel like Iron Man
did in two thousand and eight the start of an Era? No,
it feels I'm more excited by this iron Man I
really really enjoyed. At the same time, it was not
clear to me that at that particular time that Marvel,
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which kind of was not a it was baby Studios,
was it was Baby Marvel Studios and early iteration of
the of the corporate entities that became Marvel Studios, it
was not clear that they'd ever actually be able to
follow through with any plan to do the Avengers, and
so I enjoyed it as what I thought was like
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a good one off film that maybe we get a sequel,
but certainly would not get extend Universe.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
This movie.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Has me just really excited for what's to come, and
I just thought it was so expertly done. It's just
like James Gunn knows how to do this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
He does, and I think that you make a good point,
which is something that ironically feels really fresh even though
this is what things were like before two thousand and eight.
This movie just throws you right into a crazy kind
of experience of being a superhero living in a superhero world,
and that feels fresh after you know, almost twenty years
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of people trying to replicate the MCU. Now, obviously, James
Gunn has also worked within the MCU extensively with Guardians
of the Galaxy, and there are moments in this film
where I think you get a little bit of that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And the Isaiah we.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Went to see it and he was like, oh, yeah,
likes there's a scene, a really good fight scene, and
and it has like one of the few needle drops
in the movie, and he was like, oh, it's giving
Guardians of the Galaxy, and I was like, yes, And
luckily that was just almost like a nod to the
way that he made those movies. It's, rather than making
it about him, replicating that this feels very different, feels
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very hopeful, feels very fun, is incredibly colorful, and yeah,
just a really fun movie. I'm excited because I do
feel like, for the most part, this is a very
accessible for kids movie, because kids just watch stuff that's.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Just full of crazy action.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
They catch up, they know the law, they probably already
know all these characters because they watch NonStop video essays
on YouTube. And yeah, I'm I'm interested to see how
it lands. I think it could be a massive smash
or I think it could be a long legs slow
burn word of mouth hit.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But it feels like it's going to play through Summa
to me.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I agree, and I think it will. I think it's
gonna say a lot about where we are in the
superhero burnout index.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yes, I like that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is the general audience truly out or is this something
new enough to appeal to them. I think Gun has
launched this story in a way to your point that
you don't need like a tremendous there are guys around
like superheroes are there. They're running around all around the
city having battles in the backgrounds of.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Scenes that are ongoing.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Very fun, but it's not like you need to know
a tremendous amount about them. And you learn Gun is
so good at giving you character things in dialogue that
if you're not a comics nerd gives you a lot
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of background about them. But if you are a comic
s neert, you're like, oh, that's a cool No, that's
a cool character. Like like mister terrific has I was
gonna say, let's.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let's talk when we get in the spoilers.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Let's dig into this terrific because I do think that
is one of the standout things that truly really make
this movie uh kind of blow up and make people
really excited to talk about it. So, yes, that's I
guess that's all spoiler free. Go see it the combo,
go see it, and then once you to.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This, go see it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, and then once you've seen it, come back and
listen to us talk about spoilers.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Next ye.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And we're back. Okay, let's now really dig in to
the film and talk spoilers and talk all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Let's mister Terrific first of all, because he's.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We have to we talked about in the spoiler free
you know, it kind of alluded to the fact that
Gun is so good at it putting in these kind
of character colors in dialogue that they're both moving the
story along and telling you, like who this character is.
And I thought mister Terrific had some great examples of this.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh yeah, and Guy Gardner as well.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Where there where you know, there's the scene where Terrific
is transporting everyone to the military base to find out,
like what's the Superman's last position was tracked to there,
and there's a short exchange about like kind of about
religion sort of, and he's basically conveys his stand affishness
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towards the concept of organized religion in a way that
like gives you this kind of background on who this
character is, but also in the flow of the popcorn movie.
And this movie is full of moments like that.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, there's so much good stuff here, And I think
that it really starts with the opening of the movie,
which essentially establishes the fact that in this universe three
hundred years ago, meta humans aka superheroes as we know,
the empowered people were kind of discovered on Earth, so
you've been living already for three centuries with that. Then
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three decades ago, Clark in his little baby Kryptonian spaceship
crashed on the Earth. And then three years ago he
came out publicly and said I'm Superman, I'm an alien,
and then we learned, you know, three hours ago America
was attacked by this metallic, kind of heavily armored new
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character James created called the Hammer of Barovia. And then
three minutes ago Superman just lost his own fights. I screen,
it's so good, it's so funny. We have him slam
into the the kind of wild of the Antarctica, and
then we get that great moment that we'd all seen
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with Crypto, and I just think it establishes a world
of Hey, I trust.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You as an audience, you've done this before.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When you've watched other Superman movies or other Star Wars movies.
You've dealt with a crawl. You understand the world. And
now there's no.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
How did this happen? Why is it like this?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
James Gunn just throws you into this kind of gods
and monster's space and says, hey, this is where we
are now, and meet David corn Sweat as Superman, who
is I think a top tier Superman casting. It has
now become very clear.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
He nails it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We're so good. He's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
At a certain point, we're going to say that mister
Terrific stole the movie. We are and it's true, not true,
it's I believe that we're only saying that because it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Superman,
he nailed it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, move on.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's fucking hard to nail that because.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
He's got to do.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He's got to be good. He's got to be almost
a boy scout, but not a dummy, like, not naive
an idiot. He's got to be very trusting, but not
a dupe where you're like, no, hey give me your wallet, man,
I gotta check something you walk like. He can't be
that guy. He's got to be smart but open hearted.
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And while we're going to say that mister Terrific stole
the movie because he has some great hammer lines and.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Actually great, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think I have the Corn Squad performance is really
really hard to nail, and he nails it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
He does.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
He's so brilliant, he's so kind. If you have had
enough of scary doc Superman, this is a great situation
where you get to see a Superman who is dealing
with the ramifications of being so powerful but choosing to
not use that power to overwhelm or oppress or rule.
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And I think that is always what's one of the
most interesting things about Superman, and this film deals with
it in a really interesting way. But it's funny because
it sounds like, you know, we're talking about that, we're
talking about the kind of emotional heart, which this film
does have a lot of. But this is also a
film with like there's Kaiju the there's a rift in
the space, there's multiple flying ships, there's like five hundred characters,
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so it's also keeps you going, Jason. Character Wise, this
is a ridiculously big cast with so many funny like
not just like Sarah Sampio as a eve Kashmaker, which
I loved her performance. I thought she was that was
such a funny twist on that role that seems like
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a deep cut character. But then you also have like
Sydney Happerson, who's been in like he's Lex Luthor's assistant,
like James.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Really went for the deep cut.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Even outside of the Justice Gang, the super the Superman
characters that we kind of know, who was a standout
for you?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh my god? I mean Eddie is Eggie is mister trific,
is absolutely razor sharp in every single scene.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Looks so cool too, Like I think, so cool. It's
like the best mister Terrific. We've never had him in
live action apart from on the cw Ara verse, but
this is like a definitive performance. Has Eddie should be
playing this ten years if.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He has a tremendous presence despite being very still for
most of the movie, like he does it all with
just like his eyes and his voice. Yeah, But you
know what, I kind of came away thinking, I hope
that one day Nicholas Holt gets to do role where
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we're like, fuck, Nicholas Holt is good, isn't he? Like?
And I don't think that will come in a in
a genre IP movie such as this, such as he's
been in a lot of. But he is fucking great
as Lex and is just generally good in everything I've
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ever seen him be.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I feel like he channels a lot of the great
in this where he's kind of this like.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like he's obsessive.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So path I said that last night, he's like Peter
in the Great but like I just kind of amped
up to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, he's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
There's moments in this movie where he kind of really
lets loose, especially near the end, when he's kind of
one of the cool things about this vision of Lex,
which also I'm sure there's many things in this movie
that James Gunn is feeling exceptionally prophetic about, but one
of them is the fact that Lex Lutha as like
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a group of like teenage boy gamers that he uses
to basically beat up Superman because he's learned all these
different potential moves and he can use them to train
these kind of experimented on or mutated heroes that he's making,
like the Engineer or as we will find out, like the.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Character that we think is Ultraman.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And it's really there's a scene near the end when
Superman is fighting with Ultraman, who is revealed to be
a clone of Superman very comic Bookie very much, setting
up a kind of bizarro situation for the future, and
he is just like he's like saying, like a one
A one a one, and it's just him pretending to
punch as we see the clone Superman punch him, and
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he just like he's so good and so smart and
so kind of sassy and so sad, and even his
performance is so good that at the end when he
gets his rightful come up and yeah, he's kind of
righting for this crazy because he is awful. He has
done nothing for.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Any good reason, like he does not have it. He
is just jealous.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And he says that he's like, I am envious and
that is why I'm doing this, Like I love the
line where there is kind of essentially you learn very
early on in the movie International Conflict that Superman has
inserted himself into by stopping a war, and he's like, well,
I was just representing myself. But everyone is like, well,
don't you represent America? Isn't that the whole thing? And
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he is facing down this clone at the end and
Lex says to him, no, don't you understand. He's like,
I didn't like get involved with the Bravian Jaraporian War
because I, you know, because I wanted the land. He's like,
I created that situation so I could kill you and
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I was like, Okay, Lex, you're insane.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I mean, I'm glad you mentioned that that speech about jealousy,
because to me, that's what elevated this depiction of Lex
from like, you know, regular kind of mustache twirling villain
to something with a lot more pathless. Like he's aware
of it. He's like, I know, I understand. He's like, yeah,
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it is a weakness, like I am jealous of you
and that sucks about me and I can admit that
that's a thing, but I can't. I need to kill
you because I do to stop doing that, you know, like,
and the fact that it's so on the surface really
it really humanizes him as terrible and as fucking like
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a cartoonish as he is at times. And yeah, Nicholas Holt,
I just love it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
What is a performance that you came away with that
you were like, well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think for me, I'm basically every Me and Joelle
both said this and not interviews with Eddie.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We were like, you are the breakout role.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You are the breakout characters, miss the terrific I love
that character.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Anyway, but it's really great to see him at the
center here.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, this definitely could have been like Superman and
Mister Terrific if we did like more honest it almost
you know, and he essentially also is he gets to
be equal to Superman and annoyed with Superman and kind
of almost like a mentor figure, but not in a
way that takes away from who he is or what
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he's doing.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So I thought he was really great.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm I'm excited to see more of Isabella Massaid as
Hawk Girl. I love the choice to just have her
screaming constantly, super unsettling.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's really weird. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I really enjoyed how the character, her costume and Guy's
costume were basically kind of versions of the Mister Terrific
costume like in the comics the Terrifics. I was also
wondering if at some point that was the team name
they were going to go for and that change, because
it seems very Terrifics coded, which is kind of Mister
Terrifics team. But I thought that Justice Gang stuff was funny.
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I love Guy Gardiner, I thought, I thought, yeah, I'm
a Guy Gardener lover. In the comics to what I
thought was really great about this, and if you've listened
to the podcast, you have heard me complain about this
so many times. This movie does not have a Green
Lantern issue. Instead, this movie is one of the most
inventive and funny uses of green lantern powers that we've
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ever seen. He's creating muzzles for Kaiji, he's using he's
making mittens to stop it from chloring, and then to
everybody's joy. In both screenings I went to at the
end when they finally decide that they're gonna help Superman
and stop this war, he is like constantly like knocking
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over tanks using giant green middle fingers, like this is
not a green lantern who struggles with imagination, which I
feel like is every other Green Lantern.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And I thought that the banter that.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
They built up between the Justice Gang was real, really
good and felt like, yes, they've been working together. I
also thought it was really interesting how much world building
there is to stuff that will clearly come into play later.
But the fact that, for example, we see Maxwell Lord
one time on a TV played by James's brother Shawn Gunn,
but every single computer is made by Lord Tech, every
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single recorder is made by Lord Tech. The Justice Gang
is paid for by Lord Tech, so I think there's
some really interesting stuff to dig into. I also think
the three hundred years timeline is really interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Oh yeah, because then if you want.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
To do swamp thing and you want it to be
in the twenties, or you want to do clay Face,
then it's going to be a horror. You don't have
to set it after this, you can set it before this.
You can establish almost these different chapters in how the
world deals with superheroes. I also think something I thought
was really funny about this movie that was really well
done and I think was a great kind of just
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a little it's a little hack, right if.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You say that the world is really used to superheroes.
Something in the MCU that will always.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Be cracking up about it is like, doesn't matter how
many times something falls from the sky, everyone in the MCU.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Is like, ah, oh no, it's happening again.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Everyone in superhero Superman's well is just like a rift
in this ocean. Yeah, okay, that is We've dealt with
this for like three hundred years, like we're just doing
our best.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
There's that scene that was from the teaser and then
from the first kind of official images right where you're
seeing this battle against some interdimensional something as the imp
an and the Justice Gang is fighting it while a
depressed Superman, you know, saddened after the reveal that his
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parents were actually meg maniacal like concerors, conquerors, you know,
eager to enslave other planets, and how hopefully hoping that
their son would do this do that to Earth, is
you know, talking with Lois about just his feelings and
what's going on. Meanwhile, like there's this imp battle going
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on in the back and everybody's eight. She's like, are
you gonna help.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Them with them? And he's where they got? Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I love the way this leads me to one of
my other favorite things, which I'm sure you as the
as the Father of Donna were also loving. But like,
I love how much he loves Crypto because Crypto is
not a good dog.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Crypto is a bad dog. Crypto.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Not to insult Crypto, I love your Crypto or Jolene
who bought Crypto to life on set, but I love
the way that in that moment he says to Lois,
He's like, She's like, oh, were you out there helping them?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
The Justice Gang fight this, you know, giant eyeball.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
In the sky and he's like, nah, I was looking
for the dog, And I'm like, yes, that driving force
of the kind of humanity of wanting to protect a
creature who is scared and who is alone and who
doesn't have anyone else. I find that to be very
true to whose Superman is. I also loved how much
he saves so many animals and kids, And ever since
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the trailer launched, David Contwett has been saying this great
kind of thing about the reason he thinks Superman wears
the colors and he wears the trunks is because he
has so much power that if he didn't appear silly,
kids would be scared of him, and he doesn't want
kids to be scared of him. And I love the
moments where after he would save the town or save
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the city or whatever, they would always kids would always
just want to come up and hug him. And I
love that because I think that's very true to who
Superman is and always has been. And I just thought
that stuff was so well handled. And it is a huge,
kind of sprawling.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Movie with this massive cast.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But when I was watching it last night again, I
was like, Oh, this is gonna be a movie that
I'm just going to be able to turn on and
watch when Yeah, which is the dream, it's going to
be any kind of superhero movie, it's.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Gonna be one be rewatchable. To your point about the
goodness of Superman, which again I think is handled so well.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And is so.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Is so perfect tonally and balance wise, with the performance
of the writing, everything with the depiction, with the way
he's shot that I think he I really do believe
that corn, sweat, and gun make it look easy, like
how because I think that's again that's it look so
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But it also just struck me watching it that every
time Superman's on the screen, it's like a full force
repudiation of the Snyder Verse, and it's depicted of Superman,
like the way that he is saving literally saving squirrels
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from being crushed during the midst of a Kaiju battle
and then when the kaiju is killed, and this is
very so.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
This is so when he's.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like when they're fighting the Kaiju and he's like, we
gotta get it out of here, maybe up to space
where we can study it.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And that's Zoo and that just from the inside.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And he's so upset when it's killed. It just felt
like a complete repudiation of like specifically like the end
fight of Man of Steel, which I actually like is
an action scene, but it always just felt like, there's
no way Superman is going to let the city get
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wrecked like this without saving people or trying to evacuate
them to somewhere and there is that is not a
problem in this way.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was gonna say this that this is definitely a
movie that answers the collateral damage question because then Superman.
Superman is trying to stop any kind of collateral damage.
We see him, you know, lifting up a building to
let one.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Car one yet.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
And I love the kind of implication, Hey, you don't
need to show him going into every building and saving
every person, because the implication is there that if this
man is willing to save a squirrel to always go
and save every single child, then you know that he
is doing his best. And it is really quite uplifting
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and hopeful to see a Superman like that and to
get to kind of explore it in the scope of
a world where there are clearly other heroes who have
been established before Superman and they are kind of tired
of his They're like, well, you don't get to just
come in and be the new kid suddenly like country
bump kick pickinning your way about, like oh, don't kill
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the kaiju, like we're here to do a job.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
But he manages to do it in a way that
is like, you know, not too kind of Pollyanna. Oh
golly gosh.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Don though even Cornswet is so good at those moments.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
He says it a lot. I also I love opening.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
After he gets when he gets saved and protected by
the supermam robots and they kind of light him up
with the yellow sun and they're like, oh no, but
you're only eighty percent healed. And he's like gotta get
back to the fray. And I'm like, oh my god,
you're such a dog and I love you. Let's go
to a break and then when we're back, let's talk
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about Crypto.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, am I back? Dogs dog. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I thought that this was the perfect amount of crypto
and then the perfect amount of danger for Crypto. We
had a Joel and I were talking after the movie
about like, yeah, I never for a moment was like
Gun's gonna kill Crypto. It never, but he put him
in just enough danger that you're like, man, fuck Lex Luthor.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah. Literally.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I had a friend who I made hilariously through listening
to this pod called Jordan, who was like texted me
and was like, Hey, when you see the movie, I
just need to know if the dog dies.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And I was like, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
In ironic because with the way that the movie leaves
off and kind of the big reveal about that, we
do get to meet Supergirl in this movie, which is
very fun, and Crypto is her dog, just like in
the comics. There was in the comic that they are
adapting as Supergirl, there is a fake out Crypto dies
moment which is very unpopular, and ironically she brings him
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to heal and I do wonder if this is maybe
halfway through the Supergirl movie because of that, and she
comes back, but it's unclear. I'm excited to see where
that goes. But yes, I was very glad to see
super Crypto does not get killed.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
He is a good boy bad.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Just from a just from a movie industry and ganomics perspective,
you don't kill the dog. That's how your movie bombs.
That's just forget storytelling. Forget like, you know, the Red
Badge of Courage and Old Yeller and all those cartbreaking
stories of a dog death, John Wick, etc. You don't
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kill the dog in this kind of movie unless it's
the third movie.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, exactly, then, you know. But also that's why there's
literally a website called does the Dog Die? Because that
is how much people you don't do it. You don't
do it and fantastic. Also crazy that.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Crypto is essentially almost all CGI.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Looks, really good, looks fantastic.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You can tell a little bit, you can tell a
little bit, but it's not too uncanny. Valley Anna, he's
just so cute, you're always happy to see him. I
love how badly behaved he is for Clark, and I
love that in that moment where we get to meet
Kara for those kind of two minutes and.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
She calls Clock a bitch and she's just.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Like, let me give me a we get to learn
why Crypto is so crazy. It's because she's just constantly
rough housing with Crypto, because that's just what the two
of them do, you know, And yeah, I thought that
was really fun. Crypto is definitely very toy etic. The
whole movie is pretty toy etic like they've done. They
sent me like a crypto drone that you control with
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your hand and it flies above your hand, which is
really cute. They have like a Kaiju toy where Superman
can like punch his Tommy.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So I'm I think Ian, and it's like and.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
The Kaiju toy like spills out, slide out of its
guts or something. So I think, Ian, you make a
great point in the chat where you're like, gotta sell
some toys, and this is definitely a movie where you
can do that. Mostly interestingly because I think of the
color palette and the designful. When I smoke to James
Gunn at the junket for DC, you'll be able to
(30:56):
see that interview soon.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He was, I brought up Frank quietly because I just feel.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Like there's so much metamorpho looks, so Frank quietlyish, there's
all this kind of heavy, intricate design work when Superman's
face gets fucked up from the Kryptonite. And I brought
up Frank quietly, and he was like, yeah, well he
is probably the biggest artistic influence after Segull and Shuster.
And he was like, and Jamie Grant's colors on All
(31:25):
Star Superman. Who was the colors? That is really the
colors that we pulled for the movie, and.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
That is true. I think that's why it's really colorful.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And shiny and kind of has this almost hyper real,
like kids playing with toys kind of energy to it,
and I think that works really well.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Okay, let's talk about what we think this movie portends
for the DCU going forward. You mentioned, for instance, that
we only see Maxwell Lord, the CEO of the Lord
co Operation who funds the Justice Gang asterisk if it
(32:04):
seems like that's their real name now after.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Justice Gang for a while, you know, Justice And even
that is a funny nod because it's like they don't
want to be the Justice League. The whole of Justice
is that like, at some point this must have happened,
but this is that new, you know, It's.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So here is my, here's my. Here's one thing I'm
wondering as a setup coming off of this movie, is
Maxwell Lord a meta human yet?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And are the.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Justice Gang like under his mind control at all? Like
it didn't seem that way, but I wonder, like what
you make is.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I think you make a really important point because the
truth is in all different versions of him.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He has been kind of, you.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Know, a super villain who can also sometimes be an ally.
I would also say I think what we're really seeing
here is like him putting together the Justice League International,
which is kind of the big moment from the comics
where he helps establish them.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
So I'm very interested to see I do think.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That we are gonna see his more maniacal side come out.
I also will say that with Lex Luthor mentioning that,
you know, calling Clark like a Martian and Clark being like, well,
actually I'm a Kryptonian, we can assume that Marsha Manhunna
is here in this world. Yes, And I am very
excited to see where we go from here because there
(33:42):
are moments in here. Like me and one of my
brilliant editors at IGN Ameilia, Me and her and Joel
were really vibing on this movie, and she was cracking
me up, kind of talking about we were trying to
remember the name of the fictional band that Clark loves.
They're called the Mighty crab Joys. They're kind of a
Newfound Glory esque band they play during the credits, and
(34:04):
I was like, okay, well I thought they were the
Fabulous crab Joys, but that doesn't exist. But when it
was the Mighty crab Joys, they were actually already mentioned
in Creature Commandos because Frankenstein he wears like a T
shirt of them, and everyone's always ragging on him how
they're a bad band.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So I kind of love that these seeds are already there.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, I'm actually really just excited to see, like I
would watch a completely tonally different film or story in this,
and I think that's what he's done really well. For example,
we know that in the Green Lantern Show, which will
star you know, a far more serious version, we have
(34:47):
Aaron Pierre as John Stewart. We have Friday Night Lights
as Hal Jordan, and it's going to be kind of
a murder mystery, true Detective inspired show. But Guy Gardiner
is going to be in that show. So I want
to s I see the ways that these things kind
of lean into each other. And I will say another
question I've been getting a lot is, oh, what about
hawk Man. You know we get hawk Girl here. I
(35:08):
want to say, I love Alvis Hodges hawk Man. I
would love for that to be something they bring back.
I don't think it's going to be the case here
obviously Black Adam famous flop, not just that. I think
what they are setting up here. Something me and Joelle
have talked about is a John Stewart Hawk girl romance
and Pierre Isabella Masad. I think there's so many different
(35:31):
ways that this is going to interact with what we've
seen in the comics, what we've seen in Justice League Unlimited,
which is definitely a massive influence on this film, the animation,
so I'm just really excited to see where this goes.
I think the tonal shift between creature Commandos, this Peacemaker,
but the way that Gun has so far been managed
(35:52):
to kind of like meld them all together is really
impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I want to talk about that tone because something that
a take that I was sharpening while I was watching
Superman last night and kind of getting blown away by
it is and TBD maybe Fantastic four is amazing. We
talked a lot, you know, during the Height of the
(36:18):
MCU and the Tale of the MCU about how its
specific tone was like right for that time. I now
wonder if the more heightened version of Superheroes, where the
metaphor is, you know, he's an immigrant, but it's not
like it's not you know, we just saw the the
(36:39):
latest Captain America movie get riddled with cuts in an
attempt to make it less like the real world and
to make the the That's not a problem in this
movie because the metaphor is so comic booked and heightened,
but almost more powerful because of that. Like, Yeah, I'm
(37:02):
sitting there being like, this is the salve, this is
the bomb that we need right now.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
That's how I always belief in like bullshit, like this
is the exact thing that I needed right now. I
don't want a reflection of the world necessarily, and I
and it left me wondering if DC's tone inherent universal
tone is kind of perfect for is kind of what's
(37:29):
necessary for a hit superhero movie right now and TBD
on the box office and all of that. But I
was really affected by it, and it's it and it's
a definite and it's definitely like a different tonal approach
than what you we're used to with the MCU, which
was great when it was happening, and so I wonder
if it's I think they might be bias, but I
(37:51):
don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think it could be.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I also think that the fact that they eschewed any
kind of Avengerce Phase one style, like we have to
build this up and try to replicate it, and instead
went for this kind of old school establishing a world,
throwing people into it, and trusting.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
The audience shows that we are in a different era.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And I do think that a struggle that is going
to come out of Fantastic Four, though obviously we haven't
seen it, is they are already trying to connect it
to everything that came before. We know there was the
connection between the Thunderbolts and this. There is a lot
of baggage and homework there, I would say, and you
can do homework on Superman because you loved the movie
(38:33):
and you want to know all these characters, and it's
not really going to be homework. It's going to be
a blessing of incredible comic books from some of the
greatest creators of all time. But you could also just
watch the movie and enjoy it and you'll probably have
a great time. And I think that accessibility is going
to be really appealing. Okay, so something we actually haven't
even covered, hilariously is this is also a movie that
(38:57):
deals with super hero romance in a way we haven't
really seen. You know. Obviously, the MCU has the Captain
America and his girlfriend and all that origin. The original
Spider Man's the Samuraimi Spider Mans. So we get a
kind of modernized situation ship space.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
For Clark and Lois here.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Rachel Brosnahan as lois bringing that kind of savvy, fierce
journalistic ethics which I think are established really well in
kind of the opening apartment scene between her and Clark.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
How did the relationship work for you Bia Cracker scene?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I mean, the chemistry is so it needs to kill,
and it kills, Like you believe that they are they're
in love, but they're deep. They're trying to process that
truth and to try to reckon with what that means
considering that he's in super powered alien and she's a
regular woman, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
How do how do we work this?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's there's also the aspect of like we're trying to
hide this from the people we work with. Yeah, no,
by the you know, like it's very clear.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
How a good question because like you know, the end
of it does kind of imply that Jimmy is aware
that she's fucking Jimmy certain, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, And but then does that mean that Jimmy knows
who Clark is?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
I think Lois is the only one who knows Clark
I is Superman, right.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I think that's probably And I think that we
we didn't even talk about the Hypno Glasses, which is
a wonderful cannon pull, like an older cannon Paul, because.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
There was an interview recently with James Gunn where he
the in Rolling Stone where the guy mentioned the very
controversial Hypno Glasses and was like, hey, this was like
very hated. Are you gonna do this? And James is like, yeah,
I only know about that because of Tom King. And
then I watched the movie and I was like, okay,
so Tom King told you to do this, which is
legit like one of the most hated cannon choices of
(40:59):
all time, which I just think is so funny and
I love it, and I kind of love I love
that they because originally the Hypno Glasses was like presented
by a letter writer who was like, hey, guys, I
got this really good idea end up getting pulled from cannon.
But I kind of love the way that they were
just like, yeah, that's how it works. That's kind of
(41:19):
everything about this movie. And I think that for me
it works the kind of notion of like, hey, this
is just how it is. Can you believe in the world?
Do you buy it? And if you buy it, then
you can enjoy it? And I think that's not one
really fun thing part of.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Why it worked.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I completely agree with you, because for me, part of
why it worked was that I almost didn't need it
like it was I was. The disbelief was so suspended already, yeah,
because I was having such a good time that I
was like.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, fine, Also, I have no I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
He looks kind of different when he has that funny
ass hack cut and buy.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It like everybody's so winning. But when they interu so
when they introduce it, and they do it in such
a again a comics canon authentic way where it's just like, yeah,
the super people know who Zuerman is because they're part
of the superhero community and they just like the cloth,
as Guy would say, And when he reveals the hypnoglasses,
(42:17):
it's just like, Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I also love the way I buy it, he says
to He's She's like, you better stop interviewing yourself, or
like somebody's gonna catch on.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And he's like, but what about the glasses?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
And she's like, it's not gonna work for that long,
my guy, and I love like everyone in the audience
got to have that laugh. I think for me, that's
what James Gun can do really well, is he can
succinctly encapsulate a conversation that the audience will have or
have been having, and make it something where people want
to talk.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
To your point. He he wrong foots the audience in
a really smart way, which is he seems to have
a instinct for when the audience might be about to say, yeah,
but why don't they recognize him, And before they're able
to do that, he gives you the answer. So you
(43:11):
haven't answered, you haven't asked the question yet. And he
does that in myriad ways throughout the film and just
freaking they nailed it.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
This was really I really loved it. It's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Before we go into Joelle's fantastic interview, what are you
most excited for now coming out of this movie?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm just the rest of the dc the DCU. I
think Supergirl the setup now is fantastic, is going to
be a very different character than Superman.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And again.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Gun's ability to distill the authentic comic book character into
something that is palatable on a movie like Modern Modern
It's got the kernel, so funny, what the is and
so like, I'm really excited for that next movie and
(44:05):
it has me, you know, absolutely thrilled to see how
the Justice League will come together, Like, I think that's
gonna be really cool.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I'm really excited, ironically because this was I'm not a lot.
I wasn't as much of a peace Maker season one
fan as everyone else, though it's a great show. I
just wanted to explore different, shocking, shocking, peace Maker shocking me,
peace make it to I know peace Maker cameo very fun,
but I I did.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I loved James Gunn's The Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I still think this and Superman and that are probably
equal for me on my fave James gun movies now.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But I am interested.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
To see peace Maker season two because I want to
stay in this world and I think that we are
going to get more of this world, more of these
connections in that second season, and I think that is
going to broaden what peace Maker can do. And I
also just think that the amount of trust that DC
has with James Gunn and Peter Saffran and this team
(45:06):
is so immense, Like people organically freaked out when they
saw Peacemaker in this movie in a way I have
any for a long time, same with super Girl, like
when they were like your cousins here. And I haven't
been in a movie screen probably since like Multiverse of
Madness where it really felt like people were kind of
(45:27):
getting these like, oh wow moments.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
So I'm excited to see that expand.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And I'm excited to do a round table with our
producers because I'm sure everyone's got some hilarious takes.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Before we go to Joel's interview with James Gunn, I
want to leave us with this thought that I had
Cleaves Thornway played by Michael Ian Black the kind of
I guess Fox Newsish host of the Sphere talk show
cable news program The Interviews Lex, The Interviews Peacemaker and
various other people. Okay, are you able to discern like
(45:59):
what his what his broadcast schedule is, because it appears
like his show is just on at all hours of
the day and night, like he might do twelve hours
twelve hour broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Dude, it's every time they cut to the TV.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Every time he's on like talking to somebody. It's like
one daytime nighttime.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Kind of like how it was when Tucker Carlson was
always online, where it's just like it doesn't matter whether
it's new or whether it's live.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
He was just always there.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
He's matters really how they feel with this, It's like
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
He's got a take on it.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
And his line reads were so good, like the way
that everyone just died when he was Like we had
Lex Luthor on this show many times, but little did
we know he was a traitor, and everyone in the cinema.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Was just like fucking screaming with laugh. That's so fun.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Okay, we're gonna go to a quick break and when
we come back, our interview with Superman and Lewis themselves.
Davie Laurence and Rachel Project.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Thank you guys so much for being here.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
I'm so excited to talk to you guys. I loved
this movie, like in a way I was not prepared
for at all, and I think both of your performances
had so much to do with that. You know, I
know this is your first like at this level of
genormous franchise that you guys have done, How are you
guys able to help each other as co stars get
through this process.
Speaker 6 (47:40):
That I'm so glad you brought that up, because when
I think about the beginning of the process, especially sort
of before we had gotten into pre production costume fittings
and all that, my first grounding presence was Rachel and
we had a we not only in the screen test,
which wasn't so grounding because it was so quick and
we didn't know where we were, but once we once
we had the roles and and we we got breakfast
(48:03):
in New York, and it was supposed to be sort
of a you know, a uh, you know, get to
know each other, and we had set aside, you know,
breakfast is about an hour, but we ended up talking
for about three hours, wow, and just losing track of
time and how many breakfasts I had ordered so many?
And and we talked a little bit. We talked a
lot about the film and what we were getting ready for,
(48:25):
but we also just talked about Rachel's had some experience
with a with a project that has a lot of
attention and has great fans, and so I was asking
her some questions about maybe you know, her experience there
and what we might have to expect, and that has
carried through to this moment where she's my rock and these.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Interviews emotional support animal.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
Well, I said Nick was my emotional support actor Kimmel,
so we got to count with something else.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Sorry, I didn't see your interview that you did with Nick.
I don't care about him at all.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
It was very interview.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, no, we we it's been.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
This is beyond anything that either of us has experienced,
and it's just been I know. I keep turning to
you at so many of these premieres and being like,
are you seeing this, because it's just it's been the
warmest welcome and we feel so lucky. I feel so
lucky to be a part of this cast, but also
to have you as a we'll come up with another name,
(49:24):
as sort of a grounding force and all this. David
has this remarkable ability to stand with both feet planted
firmly on the ground and shut out all the noise,
and it's I think that's the only way to do
something like this, and then to be able to be
in situations like this one on one and hear and
really experience people who have enjoyed this film.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I love that your friendship really resonates throughout the film.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
Oh we're not friends, We're just coworkers.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
We're just here for each other, but we need to
be a breaks.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
And I've heard Nick talk about how the cape was
such a big part of like transforming into Superman and
the way oh and everything, uh dvid And so I
wanted to ask you, is there a part of the
Lowis Lane costume that helped you feel like you were
really stepping into her?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
It was the necklace.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
For me.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Nobody's nobody's really asked that before. So thank you.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
You're wearing a necklace.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
It was not my necklace. Never took it off. There's
a necklace that Lois wears and the costume designer, Judiana,
and I spent quite a bit of time picking out
what was on it, and I'm keeping that to myself.
But for me, the necklace kind of pulled it all together.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
I have to really pay more attention the next time
I watched this a really fun detail. I think this
movie has the potential to become like one of the
iconic Superman movies of the history of Superman. And I
was wondering if you guys could tell me what you
think about each other's performances, will most stand out? Like,
what's most iconic about.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
What you thought?
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Well, we have a great out for this question because
we haven't seen the film, have seen the premiere, because
we want that full experience with the crowd at the
premiere in La.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Me and Nick and David are going to hold hands
and squeeze each other's little FINGI and exciting things happen
on screen.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
I think what stands out about Rachel in what I
have seen of her performance, which is most of it
in person, is her the way she balances a severe
and intimidating intensity for the work, both as an actress
and as Lois Lane for her work, and the warmth
that radiates underneath that I think keeps Superman in the
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room maybe a little longer than he should stay in
the room, and keeps David the actor feeling supported and
taken care of and excited to keep coming to work
every day.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
I think it's the this is obviously you know, he's
an alien. Superman is an alien who is curious.
Speaker 6 (51:56):
About Superman's an alien.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Superman is an alien who's and David is a little
bit of an alien, but he's curious about and has
this great love for humanity. And watching David be able
to stay so honest and at the same time show
all these different colors of him, which which many of
which I don't think have been shown before. To find
(52:20):
the humor but from the most grounded place, it all
felt rooted in this core belief system, this kind of
third character that David so beautifully crafted, This Clark who
was raised on the farm by man Pa Kent, for
whom both Superman and Clark Kent at the Daily Planet
are characters in a way. Watching that third character come
(52:45):
to life was really spectacular.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
And I can't answer my questions which is Superman or Clark?
And I love third character. That's perfect.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
Thank you questions, really appreciate them.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into new that's a new episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
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Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
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Speaker 1 (53:16):
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Speaker 2 (53:18):
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Speaker 3 (53:20):
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Speaker 2 (53:24):
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