May 26, 2025 • 40 mins
Jason and Rosie make their way to the aquarium to recap the powerful and frustrating finale of The Last of Us season two! They discuss where the show might go in future seasons, and how it will handle adapting the rest of the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worrying. Today's episode can date spoilers for the finale of
Last of Us season two. Hello, my name is Jasconcepcio
(00:22):
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and Fright.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
In today's episode, it is the Lost of Us season
two FINALI wind guys, it's.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
A big one. It's you thought you thought? The episode
six is maybe gonna be the peak. Understandably, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Forget everybody the last and enjoy the recap of the
Lost of Us season two finale.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, here we go. We open back in the theater.
It's storming, big time, major major thunderstorm. Jesse is treating
Dina's arrow wound. The arrow has gone all the way
through the meter of her thigh. She's very, very scared.
She refuses a shot of alcohol, which makes Jesse go, oh,
that's weird, a big drinker. Okay, So Jesse gets the
(01:24):
arrow out, and I will say, like my my initial
thought upon seeing the scar arrowhead and details that thing
is too big to be aerodynamic.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm sorry also as well, like, how the how is
her leg just not destroyed? Yeah, it's right, looks like
it's like six inches. Like they had to pull.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It through the direction it was going, then cut the
head off, then pull the shaft out the other way.
Crazy Ellie arrives back at the theater. Jesse makes sure
that you know it is actually her. She's alone, lets
her in. Ellie goes to check on Dina, who is
is now passed out. You know, after this really intense
(02:04):
procedure that that of battlefield medicine that Jesse uh did
with her. Her leg is tightly bandaged. Now she wakes up.
Ellie asks about the baby. Dina's like, it's fine. And
by the way, I can tell because I'm a mom now, yeah,
I can.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Tell the babies in my belly and we're connected.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And then she's like, I'm worried about you and can
tell by the way that Ellie is moving that she's injured,
and begins to tend to the bruises and scrapes and
wash the the spores. Then, now here's the thing, right, spores?
Were you just in an environment filled with spores?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I do wonder that as well, because also, how does
spores work.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just because Ellie is immune to them, it doesn't mean
that she didn't breathe them in and is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Breathing them back.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Were like, I'm just like that is computer also as well.
I guess you can say it washed off in the rain, right,
I will say it all washed off.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
This is like a.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Crazy once in a millennia type storm, as we will see.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right that said, I think you need to be this
is another This is another situation where, like Ellie, we're
gonna see Ellie be called out for her recklessness and irresponsibility.
And to me, this is like an underrated one. You
were just literally an environment filled with spores, watching someone
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who is infected be in the throes of that ongoing infection.
And then you come back and like hang out with
your pregnant friend.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Your girlfriend and let her wash like your back and
like scrubbed, like please, you're back when you've.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just been in this spoor environment.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be care what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I feel like maybe there's definitely a shower in this
old theata at least, like you could have just done
this yourself. I do think I will say something I
think is really great about this season looking back, is
how little zombie infected stuff we got, because this is
so much more about the horror of the humanity and
the way that people choose to be very the walking dead.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Who is really the walking Dead? The humans or the zombies.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I also do think like maybe that made them
get a little bit free and easy with it, because
I do feel like Ellie is a fucking bio hazard
at this point, and also as well, like ellieand you're
covering in Sportes Babe, also as well, I mean, I
guess the question is how long do the spores last
if they don't immediately infect you? But also as well,
(04:29):
I mean, this has definitely been an issue. Ellie is
too brave like and that's not like I'm not saying like, oh,
she's so courageous.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I'm saying like she's dumb, like.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
She's always just like she she doesn't know that how
many bidies it's gonna taste just to get infected. She's
getting bitten like fifty times on the tummy, and then
still making.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Out with Dina, like come on, come on, baby.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You don't know how that works, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Let's put it this way, doesn't seem like the spores
are infecting Dina, and this does kind of showcase Ellie's
kind of got these wounds on her back and you
can sort of see how hard living, how reckless she
is and the toll it's taken.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
On her body.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I want to say to that point, I think
in this episode, Ella Ramsey is such a fucking brilliant
physical presence in a way that we maybe haven't gotten
to see in the other episodes. And I was just
there were moments in this and this is not necessarily
what I'm seeking out of the show, but there were
moments in this when I almost couldn't tell her apart
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from Ellie in the game, Like there were just a
couple of kind of heaving shoulders, and with the tattoo especially,
she just she is an intimidating presence this episode in
a way I haven't felt before, which is also very
interesting because it's also probably the most vulnerable we've seen
Ellie in this season, maybe since the second episode.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, So Ellie tells Dina that she found Nora, I
still haven't forgiven her and that she was already infected,
and that was setting in. But then she whispers I
made her talk mits like she tortured her. She says,
I thought it would be harder to do, and Dina
is like, okay, wow, this is yeah. Ellie says that
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she didn't kill her, she let her die, and then
Dina it's like, well, she got what she deserved. But
you can tell by Ellie's face that she's beginning to
have doubts about whether all of this is actually worth it.
Ellie tells Dina then, and I think one of I
think a really important scene. It's not in the game,
(06:33):
so yeah, and I really appreciated this. Ellie then tells
Dina about Salt Lake City, the cure, and the fireflies,
how Joel murdered everybody in the hospital to get Ellie out,
including Abby's father. That's why they came to Jackson. And
Dina is shocked and maybe a little angry, maybe a
lot angry, and she says, well, like we should we
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should go home, Like what are we doing? Let's get
out of here, it's not there. We go to day three,
group is packing up and you're thinking maybe to go home, right,
Ellie turns on the radio. It seems like it at
that moment, I think that's what is, but yeah, this
is the moment that we've the fever is kind of broke.
(07:16):
They've gotten injured, they've almost died, they've killed people that
weren't the people they're trying to kill, and maybe it's
time to go. Ellie turns on the radio. There's nothing. Jesse,
you can tell by the way he's packing up, is
fucking pissed off that he even has to be out there.
Dina comes limping out, and it seems like the argument
(07:38):
that was going on previously is clearly they're going to
continue this conversation, but now is not the time, the
wrong time.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's definitely a time out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And instead she kind of gives her this bracelet that
is one of the bracelets she's worn, which I love
because it's such a teenage girl kind of authentic moment,
and she says, you know, this is for good luck.
Also interesting because I do feel like that is a
recognition that whatever Ellie's next part of her journey is,
Dina's probably not gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, so Ellie and Jesse are gonna go find Tommy
and then come back to Dina, who's barricading herself in
the theater, and they're gonna go back to Jackson. Jesse
then tells Ellie how he and Tommy found them in
the theater. Ellie, it finally occurs to Ellie to thank Jesse.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Fucking finally, babe, Like this man is like a life
Sayer twice.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, the first time we did kind of rag
on the show for a little bit. But Jesse x Markana.
But actually, you know what, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That it works, like she needs Jesse. Jesse cares about her,
Jesse as her new protector, but she does not respect
or let him know her gratitude if she has any
in the way that she did for Joel when they
were close.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Jesse then, and in another great conversation, I thought, like
a really powerful this is someone that I agree. Jesse
then confronts Ellie about Dina and the pregnancy. He figures
it out because she didn't want that drink. He knows
that Ellie is lying to him right now about it,
(09:18):
and Jesse then again super important that this happened. Jesse
then puts the weight of responsibility about everything that's happened
squarely on Ellie's shoulders realize. He basically says, what your
recklessness has done, You've put I'm a father. I'm about
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to be a father. You put my life in Dajer.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And relationship with himself, that's not even.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like something that he confirmed, which I love. It's so
much more of again.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Just Jesse's smart and how he reads people and how
well he knows Dina, and he is underestimated constantly, I
think by Ellie and by Dina and probably by everyone
else in Jackson apart from like Maria, who understands that
he has the potential to be the future of Jackson Hall.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah. So I thought that was a really important conversation
and it will continue, like this is just an it
gets interrupted, but it will continue. So they see new
seraphim Sarahphyite excuse me graffiti on the way to go
find Tommy with a different profit. Now interesting, very interesting.
You know, Ellie says there's more than one of her.
(10:33):
So now perhaps that position. It seemed previously that the
Sarahphytes had kind.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Of they had that wa well, they moved on.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The prophet died, but the teachings stayed alive. But now
it seems as if there might be a new prophet,
which is very interesting. They're shooting on the street that
they see a the WLF chase alone Scar into the
parking garage that they're hiding in. Jesse, I mean, this
is crazy. Ellie wants to like jump out and like
(11:03):
and save this Scar from the five or six wolves
who are clearly about to torture and kill this guy.
And Jesse has to be like, can you, like count
what are you doing? You're gonna get us here? You
go again doing this, You're gonna get us killed. And
while you have to love Ellie's heart here and her
(11:27):
desire to protect someone who is defenseless born, we have
to acknowledge from a significant desire for revenge against the
people who they represent. You know, the Abbey represents the WLF,
so she wants to kill them as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Because it's basically this Jewel notion of Yeah, it's about revenge,
it's about being against WLF inherently, but it's also because
that's what Joel would have done. Joel was not scared
to run into action to save somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And I love the well, I don't think Joel would
have taken I don't think Joel and one other person
would have taken on six or six.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Not six or seven. But there's moments, you know, where
she sees Joel kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Uh reluctantly but not reluctantly try and help someone, especially
a young person, And I think that those two things collide.
I also think it sets up another great conversation between
her and Jesse about I think the notion of what
it really means to be a good person and how
you try.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Because this is a person.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I agree, and this is the Jesse represents community. Ellie
represents selfishness and independence. Right here, Jesse is once again
having to tell her, Hey, that decision that you were
about to make unilaterally, you need to discuss with me
because it's my life here too. Let's seek a quick
break and we'll.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Be right about ye.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And we're at.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
We're at.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We go to a costco where Isaac incredible choice like
that's absolutely wear able.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Base would be running now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So Isaac is running the campaign against the Seraphytes out
of this costco park comes to see him with various updates.
She tells him rank and file soldiers are very scared
about what's coming, but the leadership is prepared and that's
what matters. Where's Abby Abby and her crew or m
I A this is very concerning to Isaac. Why Because
(13:40):
Isaac tells Park, hey, I think there's a good a
very good chance that I die in this right, He's
like soon campaign soon, in this upcoming campaign against the Seraphyights,
I think there's a good chance that you die, too, Abby.
Is the future of the WLF interesting? So and so
now I feel like the future is under threat and
(14:03):
Park is like, well, she's fucked off Isaac, So maybe
she wasn't the future of the WLEF which is very
interesting to me because you know, we've seen the Seraphytes there.
They are obviously brutal, they use primitive strategies, and they're
not afraid to die in service of what they believe in.
At the same time, it's crazy to me that the
(14:24):
WLF is having this much trouble with them, Like I
don't know what about like cut down all the trees
in the park.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Dude, literally, Like this is the thing I've been just like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Go at the edge, have a bunch of people with
guns and one by one just cut the trees down
until there's no trees there.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yet, and everyone runs out, I think, until there's no
trees there, and then do that in the surrounding areas,
cut all the trees down, and then put up a
fucking wall with the trees that.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You cut down, Like, how is this? How are you
having this much trouble?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That is something I find very interesting about this episode
that I think is very effective for me is the
kind of like absolute insanity and waste. It's truly between
the WLS, doesn't need to happen, Like it doesn't even
really make sense. There's not even a reason for it.
And you see in this episode that there is like
(15:17):
a nihilistic cycle of just like we have to destroy
each other. Why Like if you think you're gonna die,
if you think your second is gonna die, if you
think that the only way to continue is just continue
constantly fighting with these people, It's like why, like just
leave them to stay in the park and you stay here?
Like what's even more importantly for for Jesse, for Ellie,
(15:39):
for Tommy, for Dina is it underlines Jesse's main point,
which is leave us the fuck out of it, Like
why are we here?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He says to Ellie in that parking garage. I'm not
dying for any scar or any WLF. Yeah, yeah, I'm
not like this is this is their thing. I don't
even know what it's about. Let them do that. Let's
get the fuck out of here, has nothing to do
with us. Ellie and Jesse get to the meeting point,
but there's no Tommy and it's the public library, which
(16:13):
is setting in the game. Ellie is leafing through all
the books. Jesse then tells Ellie about the status of
his relationship with Dina, basically giving he doesn't feel that
they need his permission, but he wants to make it
(16:36):
clear that hey, this is that your relationship has It's
not going to hurt me.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's like superseded what him and Dina had, Like he
can see the way they look at each other, see that,
and then he kind of shares this really lovely story, right,
He's like, there was a remember that group.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
There was a girl in a group and they were
going to Mexico and it was the best two weeks
of my life. But she was going to go to
Mexico and I couldn't go with I thought about going
with her, but he owed it to Jackson quote because
I was taught to put other people first.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
These are the people which has never been taught. Like
she is the most important person in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
This is.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Because, dude, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
A lot about a moment early on in this season
where she's like screaming that she's immune into the mountains
with Tommy.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm just like Tommy, I.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do not h you know, I don't approve of child abuse,
but also like fucking slap the shower of her, because
like this is like you are putting so many people
at risk, and you are also at this point, like
eighteen nineteen, you are essentially an adult in this world
where many people don't survive that long. She has never
been taught anything other than that she is the most
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important person to exist. And I think Jesse is such
a better example of the power of community and how
being raised to care about other people can make you
an incredible person, an incredible leader.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's this is such an important conversation, I think because
for one, Ellie gets mad, and she gets mad not
because you can tell and the acting is wonderful, you
can tell. It's not because she thinks Jesse's wrong. It's
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because he struck home with that one, pointing out how
reckless and irresponsible she. He called her out, and it
needed to happen. Look at all that You've put so
many lives in danger because of this care about you
say so much Tommy family kid.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In this version, Tommy and Maria are keeping Jackson Hole safe,
like you are putting so many people. Jesse has a child,
which by the way, you knew about, so like why
and I.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Mean, I know, Jason, this is a constant conversation start
for us.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But like they should have gone home when Dina told her,
like that's it as soon as you hear there's a baby.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I don't even care what Dina says, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
She said she wanted to keep going to her ass
home because.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The truth is that in a world.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know, we talked a lot about how The Last
of Us is about life and how life goes on
when the most horrific things in the world happen. Guess what,
having a baby is a fucking rare gem of hope
in this world. Like you should not be putting that
at risk. And Jesse is absolutely right to fucking put
Ellie in her place and remind her of that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's a very very important conversation.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And it's gonna the whole of season. Well, whatever Ellie's
journey goes next, let's say it rang true.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
On so many levels too, because I'm you know, like
being a young person in high school and college and later,
it's like when you know there's that person who's doing
the right thing, who's good, who's good in school, who's
like kind, polite, et cetera, and very often like, what
would my response be as a young person and the
people around me, you corn ball?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You should adult? And that's definitely how.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Outlook, that's very much. Her reaction is, Oh, I get it,
you're good and I'm bad.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But like you said, the reason she says that is
because it hit enough, like you can tell, and this
is so good. I wish I just wish we'd gotten
more between Bella and young Mazino. I think they're just
so fucking good together, and I I just would have
loved to see even more. But yeah, this is one
of my favorite kind of interactions and team ups throughout
(20:44):
the show.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And I hope this is a I hope this is
a big career stepping stone for.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Him, because I mean, he was incredible in Beef, but
this is even higher profile, and I just really want
to see him keep getting these incredible dramatic roles because
he is such a our house in this episode.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
So the radio comes alive and they hear the wolves
are panicking about a sniper, which is not obviously the
scars are not out there with with rifles. How could
That's got to be Tommy right, so loved.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
To snipe people.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They love it, So they head off to find him.
Ellie figures out on the way that Abby, Oh wait
a second, that the wheel over there, that's the thing
that was talking about. Abby is in the aquarium, which
is the opposite way from where Tommy is. And Ellie
is like, well, we're going wait again, Like Tommy, Tommy
(21:46):
came to save you.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He has children and a wife that is your he's
getting for like five years, like please, And she's like, nah,
you know what, Like he's cool, he's got it, and
look is that maybe sure, yes, Tommy's a very talented.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Tommy and Joel.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Love to snipe, but like, come on, my guy, Like Ellie,
did you not just learn anything from this incredible ir
and speech that Jesody just gave you, Like fucking put
a pin in it and go save your fucking father figure.
And then maybe he can team up with his little
snipey rifle and help you do this without fucking dying.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's ridiculous. And Jesse then admits kind of a shocking admission,
but but it makes sense for who he is and
what we know about him that he voted no on
he was to go. He was the no vote.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I did not see that coming at He then tells
her everything you do, you do for yourself, which is
one hundred percent sure. Ellie blows up at him, and
then Jesse's like, you know what, I hope you survive. Bye,
I'm going to I'm going to save Tommy's life.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
My friend who I came here with to save. Yes,
fucking ungrateful, Like, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Ellie makes her way to the aquarium and again the
recklessness of Ellie and how Lush has come to death
many times. It's only fate that saves her. Here she
sees two wolves walking down the dock going to a boat,
and she's like, watch this. I'm gonna from about eighty
feet away, I'm gonna shoot them with a nine millery,
(23:17):
which is like second first of all, in the dark,
really hard.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Underrated comic book maybe starring Angelina Jolie wanted.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Because otherwise, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This bullet, of course, And can I just say, this
is not like a normal storm. This is like storm
of the sanctuary. There's giant like tidal waves. The whole
of Seattle is flooding. That bullet is getting nowhere like
five feet probably in that weather, like come on, babe.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And it's a good thing she didn't take the shot
because it seconds later five six, seven, eight, WLF small
boats come to pick up these soldiers and take them
to you know where Isaac is staging the the WLF
army for the coming war. And Ellie was certainly about
(24:07):
to get killed had she taken that shot. Ellie then
follows another boat. She's making her way across the harbor.
There she gets swamped by a wave, but manages to
swim ashore, you know, manages by the skin of her
teeth to swim ashore because she got a full pack
filled with AMMO that's got away forty.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Pounds like concussion from that wave. Like she's not doing well, she's.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Not her best.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She locks eyes with a scar child. The scars come
and take her.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Put this kid like five, you know, he's about to
get baby, she's gonna get gutted.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
She's exhausted. She just swum with a full pack ashore.
She's trying to tell them she's not a wolf. They
don't care. The gutting process is about to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Begin, but they look to the kid to see what
they should do, and the kids like and he's like, yeah,
just let me like it's happening.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But then the big horn from the village, and it's
very clear that the wolf campaign has started against these
about against the Seraphyite home villages, like.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's it's I just got to say, now, the Seraphyites.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Look, I can't pretend to know what it's like to
be in a weird religious, medieval cult, but I do
feel like, guys, couldn't you just have like one walkie talkie?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I feel like, do you need the big horn? Like
do you have to eat that? I must in the lapping.
I feel like maybe like a.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Little mix of technology, and you know, I'm not trying
to judge the way they choose to live their life.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But when the big horn went off, I was cracking up.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I was like, oh, all right, fucking like, all right,
Henry the eight, like get the boiling oil out. No,
come on, guys, it's the modern times.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Just use one one walkie talkie.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
The seraphyte who came up with that was like, oh,
Helm's deep.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This is this is sick Like I loved when they
do this in Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Guys, okay, so uh Ellie. Then she gets her reprieve
because all the Seraphites run off to go defend that,
and she was.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like being hanged. It was almost right here.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah. Ellie runs back to the shore. She gets in
another boat as explosions are going off behind her. This
the war has begun. She makes her way to the aquarium,
sneaks in. This whole building is clearly a w LF barracks.
There's cots everywhere. This is so again, this is crazy
what she's doing. And she goes on, she just lost,
(26:34):
like she lost the plot. She goes off in the
dark looking for Abby. She finds instead Melon Owen arguing
about something, some choice that Abby has made, something has
gone astray, which people have played the game will know.
And Ellie goes in gune up, saying where the fuck
(26:55):
is Abby Owen Recognition immediately on his face and he's like, well,
well hold on a second, I'm the one who said
don't kill her.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Ah which I kind of love this recurring theme because
as Joel said to Abby, I saved your life and
it didn't matter, and Nora said the same thing, we'd
let you live.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And now Owen he you know, I'm the one who
kept you alive. But what I love about this moment
is Owen doesn't believe what Ellie tells him. But I
do believe that when Ellie tells Owen and Mal that
she doesn't want to kill them and she won't kill them.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think she means that.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think what she did to Nora is haunting her,
and I think there's a version where if she gets
to find Abby, she maybe lets them go, or at
least lets mel go I.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I have a straight haircut I have, which is that
I agree with you that she means it here because
I do think that the amount of death that she
has encountered already, and the close calls with Tommy, with Jesse,
with Dina, with the er through the leg are have
(28:00):
I think they've rocked her. And that said, if you
really don't want to kill them, then yeah, she hasn't
thought it through all the way to match her intentions
to her actions, because what she's done. While she totally
doesn't want to kill them, is she's taken an action
(28:21):
that can only lead to her. You you're gonna be like, Okay,
you stand there, or you tie up Mel, and then
I'll tie up you. Like, how is that gonna work? Ellie?
It's this is It's not gonna work, right, So one
thing leads to another. Owen reaches for a gun. Ellie
shoots with Joel's gun. The bullet goes right through Owen,
(28:45):
who drops dead.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It goes through his throat and.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Goes through his throat and and hits a glancing shot
on Mel's jugular vein, goes into the wall. Mel looks
back the shot, realizes she's been hit, blood starting to
pour from her neck. She falls and she with her
like dying breaths. She pulls up her jacket and shows
(29:12):
Ellie that she's pregnant and says, Okay, listen, I need
you to save the baby.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Now, I've got a knife.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Get the knife out. I'm going to talk you through it.
I'm going to talk you through saving the baby. And
Ellie is like, oh my god, like okay, what do
I do? How do I do? Knife? How deep do
I have cut and Mel tells her deeper than you think,
but it immediately Mel loses touch with life, with what's
(29:46):
actually happening, and is not able to like stay alive
and hang on long enough to really talk Ellie through it.
And then Ellie doesn't have the determination to do it.
And it's in this moment that the full weight of
everything kind of crashes down on her. She just killed
an unborn child, just killed a mother, killed two people
(30:09):
she wasn't looking for. And it was in this it
was in this moment that we talked a lot about
the changes, the quotes quote unquote nerving they've done to Ellie,
and I think that I think that the changes are necessary,
and it made this scene hit home much more. It
makes her her It makes the way we think it's
(30:30):
going to go when she confronts Abby much more earned.
And I think it also made me think about how
much more successful Abby's justice mission revenge mission was. Yes,
like obviously successful, Like obviously it was terrible to kill
Joel in that way in front of a loved one,
(30:52):
like like that's I can't co sign that. At the
same time, they got the one person they were setting
out to get who had done the bad thing. They
didn't kill anybody else, and then they left. Abby has
now killed.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Oh baby, like four or five people already, like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Tortured someone basically to death, killed an unborn.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It's like being lined up. It's bron like the militia
in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, and has put the lives of her closest loved
ones in danger. It's hard not to look at Abby
and go, well, Abby kind of did it the right
Like I think it's what Abby did too, but she
kind of did it the most responsible.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I would also say as well, like, look, I'm not
Ellie's going through it. I get it, but I've seen.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Enough like Lifetime movies, which are definitely all based on
real things and real science, as well as the iconic
two thousand and seven French New Extremity move Inside.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I think that I think that I think Ellie could
have cut that baby out, that Tommy even off the
mouth died.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Not that she has like a law of you know,
I don't think she really wants to, but I think
that baby could have survived. I think she should have tried.
She didn't even try, and that's a kid. She had
a choice here. Yeah, and I literally choice and death
she couldn't do it, but yeah, she breaks down.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The moment breaks her. The moment completely breaks her. And
speaking of break, let's take a quick break for a
word from our sponsors while we were back. And we're
(32:47):
back after a while, Jesse, Uh and Tommy arrive at
the aquarium into this scene of carnage. Ellie broken and
sobbing and just staring out on her hands and knees
at this dead mother who she has killed. They pick
her up. They go back to the theater and Tommy
(33:08):
and Jesse begin planning their exit strategy to get back
to Jackson. Tommy, can you see that Ellie is in
a really bad place, and he tries to once again,
you were.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I really like this a conversation, a real honest, authentic.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Just say it, because this is like comes from a
place of love from Tommy. He basically says, Hey, they
made their choices, but I gotta say, you're right. I
have come to feel like, yeah, you got to read
her the riot at right here, like look at this,
look at the fucking damage you called.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yes, this woman was a pregnant woman who also, by
the way, if we actually go back and revisit the
second episode, which I did.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mel was never the violent one.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Mel was the one who wanted to drug Dina so
she could stay alive. Mel was the one who was,
you know, most horrified. And Mel was a Karen. Mel
was a nurse, you know. And I think that makes
this scene even more heartbreaking than the version that we
get in the game.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And Tommy needs.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
To tell her, like, yeah, they made their choices, but
you also fucking made yours, and that's why we're here.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And you went on And by the way, Abby and
her crew they took five years to do it, Like,
they didn't go off in a road exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
They planned it from a community, even if it was
a small community of themselves.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So they're gonna leave. Ellie's made her peace with that.
She admits to Tommy that she has come to terms
with letting Abby survive, letting Abby live, not going after her.
She thanks Jesse again for saving her, and Jesse says, well, maybe, Tommy,
like maybe made me do it, you know, forced me
(34:56):
to do it. And Ellie's like, I know that's not true.
I know you came after me because you care about.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Me, because you're a good person, she says with a
sassy ass, fucking.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
As Yeah, Jesse says then that you know, it occurred
to him that Ellie would do the same to save his.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Life, which I like that acknowledgement. I really like the
acknowledgment of like he says something like, you know, I
know you'd burn down the world to come and save
my life.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Even though he understands that Ellie's choices are not always sensible,
there is a love and a passion behind them, and
that he didn't want to let her down when he
knew she would not do the same for him. But
then yeah, like you said, shots ring out, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You shouldn't have come, Jesse. Yes. Uh, they opened the
doors to go see what's going out out in the hall,
and Jesse's immediately killed, shot dead. It's it's just right
in the face, just like the fast and shocking. It's Abbie.
She's there and she's got Tommy down on the ground, prisoner,
(35:58):
and we don't know what he is, don't know where
Dina is. Ellie. Then the you know, the full weight
of how badly this is gone and all and all
the carnage, I think it comes down on her and
she is like, listen, I'm the one I did it,
taking responsibility. Really for the first time, I did it.
I killed your friends. Let me I'm the one you want.
(36:20):
I'm going to trade myself for Tommy. Okay, let them
live and just take me. Abby then tells Ellie like
I let you live and you wasted it, and then
gunshot fade to black. We'll talk about that in the day.
We flash back to today one Manny wakes up Abby
(36:41):
from a dream. He says, Isaac wants to see you,
and she looks out over the WLF base at Luminfield
and we see the WLF preparing for this massive fight
against the Seraphyites. And I think it's clear from this
that season three is going to be large part from
Abby's perspective, Okay, let's talk about that cliffhanger. I think
(37:06):
people are going to I think a lot of listen,
this has been a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's gonna be crazy, least for the at least for a.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Lot of like the game century, the gamer centric audience
has been a divisive season. Yeah, I think they're going
to fucking hate Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't think people are gonna love it. I also
think there's.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
A lot I liked it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I liked it. I think it works.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I would love if they were brave enough to just
have season three basically or be from Abby's perspective, like
we get and they.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Make you wonder, yeah, and then make you wonder till.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Maybe that finale or season four, which they are now saying,
you know, they hope they get, which I think is
very interesting and we will talk about this more on
the round table, but we are pretty far into the
game at this point. So the idea that I would say,
like Sea yeah, is really interesting. But yeah, I'm really
stoked to dig into this in the round table because.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I think I think this really like this brought the
whole season I agree up for.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Me, I feel like it elevated the season, which had
been uneven I think six and absolutely oh six and seven.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I think they have an emotional heart and an interesting
kind of expansion. Answered a lot of the critiques we
had about like wanting to know more about the WLF,
wanting to know more about the scars, wanting to kind
of understand what was at stake in Seattle, and I
think that it really does that. And I think that
(38:30):
because of the addition of kind of mel asking Ellie
to save the baby and also the conversations between Ellie
and Jesse. I just think we got something here that's
going to go down as definitely one of the most
divisive binalis, but also I think one of the best.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I completely agree. I thought all of those moments, the
conversations between Jesse and Ellie, the moment where Ellie is,
you know, tears in her eyes watching this woman that
she'd killed bleed out, and as she begs, like for
the life of her unborn child, I think those are
(39:10):
the moments that made this show about more than just
the story it's telling, and made it about this kind
of very deep questions about the value of life versus
the value of death, revenge versus justice, community versus selfishness,
(39:33):
the balance between all these things. All of those kind
of like really deep ideas were contained in those scenes.
And I agree with you, like this a real high
point for this season and a real emotional like gut
punch and completely I can't wait to see where it is.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I can't wait to talk more about this in the
roundtable with our crew, because this is a really wi Yes,
stay tuned for that coming up soon.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
In today's episode, it is the Lost of Us season
two FINALI wind guys, it's.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
A big one. It's you thought you thought? The episode
six is maybe gonna be the peak. Understandably, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Forget everybody the last and enjoy the recap of the
Lost of Us season two finale.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, here we go. We open back in the theater.
It's storming, big time, major major thunderstorm. Jesse is treating
Dina's arrow wound. The arrow has gone all the way
through the meter of her thigh. She's very, very scared.
She refuses a shot of alcohol, which makes Jesse go, oh,
that's weird, a big drinker. Okay, So Jesse gets the
(01:24):
arrow out, and I will say, like my my initial
thought upon seeing the scar arrowhead and details that thing
is too big to be aerodynamic.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm sorry also as well, like, how the how is
her leg just not destroyed? Yeah, it's right, looks like
it's like six inches. Like they had to pull.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It through the direction it was going, then cut the
head off, then pull the shaft out the other way.
Crazy Ellie arrives back at the theater. Jesse makes sure
that you know it is actually her. She's alone, lets
her in. Ellie goes to check on Dina, who is
is now passed out. You know, after this really intense
(02:04):
procedure that that of battlefield medicine that Jesse uh did
with her. Her leg is tightly bandaged. Now she wakes up.
Ellie asks about the baby. Dina's like, it's fine. And
by the way, I can tell because I'm a mom now, yeah,
I can.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Tell the babies in my belly and we're connected.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And then she's like, I'm worried about you and can
tell by the way that Ellie is moving that she's injured,
and begins to tend to the bruises and scrapes and
wash the the spores. Then, now here's the thing, right, spores?
Were you just in an environment filled with spores?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I do wonder that as well, because also, how does
spores work.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just because Ellie is immune to them, it doesn't mean
that she didn't breathe them in and is.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Breathing them back.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Were like, I'm just like that is computer also as well.
I guess you can say it washed off in the rain, right,
I will say it all washed off.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
This is like a.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Crazy once in a millennia type storm, as we will see.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right that said, I think you need to be this
is another This is another situation where, like Ellie, we're
gonna see Ellie be called out for her recklessness and irresponsibility.
And to me, this is like an underrated one. You
were just literally an environment filled with spores, watching someone
(03:20):
who is infected be in the throes of that ongoing infection.
And then you come back and like hang out with
your pregnant friend.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Your girlfriend and let her wash like your back and
like scrubbed, like please, you're back when you've.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just been in this spoor environment.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be care what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I feel like maybe there's definitely a shower in this
old theata at least, like you could have just done
this yourself. I do think I will say something I
think is really great about this season looking back, is
how little zombie infected stuff we got, because this is
so much more about the horror of the humanity and
the way that people choose to be very the walking dead.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Who is really the walking Dead? The humans or the zombies.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I also do think like maybe that made them
get a little bit free and easy with it, because
I do feel like Ellie is a fucking bio hazard
at this point, and also as well, like ellieand you're
covering in Sportes Babe, also as well, I mean, I
guess the question is how long do the spores last
if they don't immediately infect you? But also as well,
(04:29):
I mean, this has definitely been an issue. Ellie is
too brave like and that's not like I'm not saying like, oh,
she's so courageous.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I'm saying like she's dumb, like.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
She's always just like she she doesn't know that how
many bidies it's gonna taste just to get infected. She's
getting bitten like fifty times on the tummy, and then
still making.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Out with Dina, like come on, come on, baby.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You don't know how that works, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Let's put it this way, doesn't seem like the spores
are infecting Dina, and this does kind of showcase Ellie's
kind of got these wounds on her back and you
can sort of see how hard living, how reckless she
is and the toll it's taken.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
On her body.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I want to say to that point, I think
in this episode, Ella Ramsey is such a fucking brilliant
physical presence in a way that we maybe haven't gotten
to see in the other episodes. And I was just
there were moments in this and this is not necessarily
what I'm seeking out of the show, but there were
moments in this when I almost couldn't tell her apart
(05:27):
from Ellie in the game, Like there were just a
couple of kind of heaving shoulders, and with the tattoo especially,
she just she is an intimidating presence this episode in
a way I haven't felt before, which is also very
interesting because it's also probably the most vulnerable we've seen
Ellie in this season, maybe since the second episode.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, So Ellie tells Dina that she found Nora, I
still haven't forgiven her and that she was already infected,
and that was setting in. But then she whispers I
made her talk mits like she tortured her. She says,
I thought it would be harder to do, and Dina
is like, okay, wow, this is yeah. Ellie says that
(06:10):
she didn't kill her, she let her die, and then
Dina it's like, well, she got what she deserved. But
you can tell by Ellie's face that she's beginning to
have doubts about whether all of this is actually worth it.
Ellie tells Dina then, and I think one of I
think a really important scene. It's not in the game,
(06:33):
so yeah, and I really appreciated this. Ellie then tells
Dina about Salt Lake City, the cure, and the fireflies,
how Joel murdered everybody in the hospital to get Ellie out,
including Abby's father. That's why they came to Jackson. And
Dina is shocked and maybe a little angry, maybe a
lot angry, and she says, well, like we should we
(06:56):
should go home, Like what are we doing? Let's get
out of here, it's not there. We go to day three,
group is packing up and you're thinking maybe to go home, right,
Ellie turns on the radio. It seems like it at
that moment, I think that's what is, but yeah, this
is the moment that we've the fever is kind of broke.
(07:16):
They've gotten injured, they've almost died, they've killed people that
weren't the people they're trying to kill, and maybe it's
time to go. Ellie turns on the radio. There's nothing. Jesse,
you can tell by the way he's packing up, is
fucking pissed off that he even has to be out there.
Dina comes limping out, and it seems like the argument
(07:38):
that was going on previously is clearly they're going to
continue this conversation, but now is not the time, the
wrong time.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It's definitely a time out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And instead she kind of gives her this bracelet that
is one of the bracelets she's worn, which I love
because it's such a teenage girl kind of authentic moment,
and she says, you know, this is for good luck.
Also interesting because I do feel like that is a
recognition that whatever Ellie's next part of her journey is,
Dina's probably not gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, so Ellie and Jesse are gonna go find Tommy
and then come back to Dina, who's barricading herself in
the theater, and they're gonna go back to Jackson. Jesse
then tells Ellie how he and Tommy found them in
the theater. Ellie, it finally occurs to Ellie to thank Jesse.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Fucking finally, babe, Like this man is like a life
Sayer twice.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, the first time we did kind of rag
on the show for a little bit. But Jesse x Markana.
But actually, you know what, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That it works, like she needs Jesse. Jesse cares about her,
Jesse as her new protector, but she does not respect
or let him know her gratitude if she has any
in the way that she did for Joel when they
were close.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Jesse then, and in another great conversation, I thought, like
a really powerful this is someone that I agree. Jesse
then confronts Ellie about Dina and the pregnancy. He figures
it out because she didn't want that drink. He knows
that Ellie is lying to him right now about it,
(09:18):
and Jesse then again super important that this happened. Jesse
then puts the weight of responsibility about everything that's happened
squarely on Ellie's shoulders realize. He basically says, what your
recklessness has done, You've put I'm a father. I'm about
(09:38):
to be a father. You put my life in Dajer.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And relationship with himself, that's not even.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Like something that he confirmed, which I love. It's so
much more of again.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Just Jesse's smart and how he reads people and how
well he knows Dina, and he is underestimated constantly, I
think by Ellie and by Dina and probably by everyone
else in Jackson apart from like Maria, who understands that
he has the potential to be the future of Jackson Hall.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah. So I thought that was a really important conversation
and it will continue, like this is just an it
gets interrupted, but it will continue. So they see new
seraphim Sarahphyite excuse me graffiti on the way to go
find Tommy with a different profit. Now interesting, very interesting.
You know, Ellie says there's more than one of her.
(10:33):
So now perhaps that position. It seemed previously that the
Sarahphytes had kind.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Of they had that wa well, they moved on.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The prophet died, but the teachings stayed alive. But now
it seems as if there might be a new prophet,
which is very interesting. They're shooting on the street that
they see a the WLF chase alone Scar into the
parking garage that they're hiding in. Jesse, I mean, this
is crazy. Ellie wants to like jump out and like
(11:03):
and save this Scar from the five or six wolves
who are clearly about to torture and kill this guy.
And Jesse has to be like, can you, like count
what are you doing? You're gonna get us here? You
go again doing this, You're gonna get us killed. And
while you have to love Ellie's heart here and her
(11:27):
desire to protect someone who is defenseless born, we have
to acknowledge from a significant desire for revenge against the
people who they represent. You know, the Abbey represents the WLF,
so she wants to kill them as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Because it's basically this Jewel notion of Yeah, it's about revenge,
it's about being against WLF inherently, but it's also because
that's what Joel would have done. Joel was not scared
to run into action to save somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And I love the well, I don't think Joel would
have taken I don't think Joel and one other person
would have taken on six or six.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Not six or seven. But there's moments, you know, where
she sees Joel kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Uh reluctantly but not reluctantly try and help someone, especially
a young person, And I think that those two things collide.
I also think it sets up another great conversation between
her and Jesse about I think the notion of what
it really means to be a good person and how
you try.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Because this is a person.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I agree, and this is the Jesse represents community. Ellie
represents selfishness and independence. Right here, Jesse is once again
having to tell her, Hey, that decision that you were
about to make unilaterally, you need to discuss with me
because it's my life here too. Let's seek a quick
break and we'll.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Be right about ye.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And we're at.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
We're at.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We go to a costco where Isaac incredible choice like
that's absolutely wear able.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Base would be running now.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So Isaac is running the campaign against the Seraphytes out
of this costco park comes to see him with various updates.
She tells him rank and file soldiers are very scared
about what's coming, but the leadership is prepared and that's
what matters. Where's Abby Abby and her crew or m
I A this is very concerning to Isaac. Why Because
(13:40):
Isaac tells Park, hey, I think there's a good a
very good chance that I die in this right, He's
like soon campaign soon, in this upcoming campaign against the Seraphyights,
I think there's a good chance that you die, too, Abby.
Is the future of the WLF interesting? So and so
now I feel like the future is under threat and
(14:03):
Park is like, well, she's fucked off Isaac, So maybe
she wasn't the future of the WLEF which is very
interesting to me because you know, we've seen the Seraphytes there.
They are obviously brutal, they use primitive strategies, and they're
not afraid to die in service of what they believe in.
At the same time, it's crazy to me that the
(14:24):
WLF is having this much trouble with them, Like I
don't know what about like cut down all the trees
in the park.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Dude, literally, Like this is the thing I've been just like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Go at the edge, have a bunch of people with
guns and one by one just cut the trees down
until there's no trees there.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yet, and everyone runs out, I think, until there's no
trees there, and then do that in the surrounding areas,
cut all the trees down, and then put up a
fucking wall with the trees that.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You cut down, Like, how is this? How are you
having this much trouble?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That is something I find very interesting about this episode
that I think is very effective for me is the
kind of like absolute insanity and waste. It's truly between
the WLS, doesn't need to happen, Like it doesn't even
really make sense. There's not even a reason for it.
And you see in this episode that there is like
(15:17):
a nihilistic cycle of just like we have to destroy
each other. Why Like if you think you're gonna die,
if you think your second is gonna die, if you
think that the only way to continue is just continue
constantly fighting with these people, It's like why, like just
leave them to stay in the park and you stay here?
Like what's even more importantly for for Jesse, for Ellie,
(15:39):
for Tommy, for Dina is it underlines Jesse's main point,
which is leave us the fuck out of it, Like
why are we here?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He says to Ellie in that parking garage. I'm not
dying for any scar or any WLF. Yeah, yeah, I'm
not like this is this is their thing. I don't
even know what it's about. Let them do that. Let's
get the fuck out of here, has nothing to do
with us. Ellie and Jesse get to the meeting point,
but there's no Tommy and it's the public library, which
(16:13):
is setting in the game. Ellie is leafing through all
the books. Jesse then tells Ellie about the status of
his relationship with Dina, basically giving he doesn't feel that
they need his permission, but he wants to make it
(16:36):
clear that hey, this is that your relationship has It's
not going to hurt me.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's like superseded what him and Dina had, Like he
can see the way they look at each other, see that,
and then he kind of shares this really lovely story, right,
He's like, there was a remember that group.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
There was a girl in a group and they were
going to Mexico and it was the best two weeks
of my life. But she was going to go to
Mexico and I couldn't go with I thought about going
with her, but he owed it to Jackson quote because
I was taught to put other people first.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
These are the people which has never been taught. Like
she is the most important person in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
This is.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Because, dude, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
A lot about a moment early on in this season
where she's like screaming that she's immune into the mountains
with Tommy.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm just like Tommy, I.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do not h you know, I don't approve of child abuse,
but also like fucking slap the shower of her, because
like this is like you are putting so many people
at risk, and you are also at this point, like
eighteen nineteen, you are essentially an adult in this world
where many people don't survive that long. She has never
been taught anything other than that she is the most
(17:56):
important person to exist. And I think Jesse is such
a better example of the power of community and how
being raised to care about other people can make you
an incredible person, an incredible leader.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's this is such an important conversation, I think because
for one, Ellie gets mad, and she gets mad not
because you can tell and the acting is wonderful, you
can tell. It's not because she thinks Jesse's wrong. It's
(18:31):
because he struck home with that one, pointing out how
reckless and irresponsible she. He called her out, and it
needed to happen. Look at all that You've put so
many lives in danger because of this care about you
say so much Tommy family kid.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In this version, Tommy and Maria are keeping Jackson Hole safe,
like you are putting so many people. Jesse has a child,
which by the way, you knew about, so like why
and I.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Mean, I know, Jason, this is a constant conversation start
for us.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But like they should have gone home when Dina told her,
like that's it as soon as you hear there's a baby.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I don't even care what Dina says, Like.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
She said she wanted to keep going to her ass
home because.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The truth is that in a world.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know, we talked a lot about how The Last
of Us is about life and how life goes on
when the most horrific things in the world happen. Guess what,
having a baby is a fucking rare gem of hope
in this world. Like you should not be putting that
at risk. And Jesse is absolutely right to fucking put
Ellie in her place and remind her of that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's a very very important conversation.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And it's gonna the whole of season. Well, whatever Ellie's
journey goes next, let's say it rang true.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
On so many levels too, because I'm you know, like
being a young person in high school and college and later,
it's like when you know there's that person who's doing
the right thing, who's good, who's good in school, who's
like kind, polite, et cetera, and very often like, what
would my response be as a young person and the
people around me, you corn ball?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You should adult? And that's definitely how.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Outlook, that's very much. Her reaction is, Oh, I get it,
you're good and I'm bad.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But like you said, the reason she says that is
because it hit enough, like you can tell, and this
is so good. I wish I just wish we'd gotten
more between Bella and young Mazino. I think they're just
so fucking good together, and I I just would have
loved to see even more. But yeah, this is one
of my favorite kind of interactions and team ups throughout
(20:44):
the show.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And I hope this is a I hope this is
a big career stepping stone for.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Him, because I mean, he was incredible in Beef, but
this is even higher profile, and I just really want
to see him keep getting these incredible dramatic roles because
he is such a our house in this episode.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
So the radio comes alive and they hear the wolves
are panicking about a sniper, which is not obviously the
scars are not out there with with rifles. How could
That's got to be Tommy right, so loved.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
To snipe people.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They love it, So they head off to find him.
Ellie figures out on the way that Abby, Oh wait
a second, that the wheel over there, that's the thing
that was talking about. Abby is in the aquarium, which
is the opposite way from where Tommy is. And Ellie
is like, well, we're going wait again, Like Tommy, Tommy
(21:46):
came to save you.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He has children and a wife that is your he's
getting for like five years, like please, And she's like, nah,
you know what, Like he's cool, he's got it, and
look is that maybe sure, yes, Tommy's a very talented.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Tommy and Joel.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Love to snipe, but like, come on, my guy, Like Ellie,
did you not just learn anything from this incredible ir
and speech that Jesody just gave you, Like fucking put
a pin in it and go save your fucking father figure.
And then maybe he can team up with his little
snipey rifle and help you do this without fucking dying.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's ridiculous. And Jesse then admits kind of a shocking admission,
but but it makes sense for who he is and
what we know about him that he voted no on
he was to go. He was the no vote.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I did not see that coming at He then tells
her everything you do, you do for yourself, which is
one hundred percent sure. Ellie blows up at him, and
then Jesse's like, you know what, I hope you survive. Bye,
I'm going to I'm going to save Tommy's life.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
My friend who I came here with to save. Yes,
fucking ungrateful, Like, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Ellie makes her way to the aquarium and again the
recklessness of Ellie and how Lush has come to death
many times. It's only fate that saves her. Here she
sees two wolves walking down the dock going to a boat,
and she's like, watch this. I'm gonna from about eighty
feet away, I'm gonna shoot them with a nine millery,
(23:17):
which is like second first of all, in the dark,
really hard.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Underrated comic book maybe starring Angelina Jolie wanted.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Because otherwise, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This bullet, of course, And can I just say, this
is not like a normal storm. This is like storm
of the sanctuary. There's giant like tidal waves. The whole
of Seattle is flooding. That bullet is getting nowhere like
five feet probably in that weather, like come on, babe.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And it's a good thing she didn't take the shot
because it seconds later five six, seven, eight, WLF small
boats come to pick up these soldiers and take them
to you know where Isaac is staging the the WLF
army for the coming war. And Ellie was certainly about
(24:07):
to get killed had she taken that shot. Ellie then
follows another boat. She's making her way across the harbor.
There she gets swamped by a wave, but manages to
swim ashore, you know, manages by the skin of her
teeth to swim ashore because she got a full pack
filled with AMMO that's got away forty.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Pounds like concussion from that wave. Like she's not doing well, she's.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Not her best.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She locks eyes with a scar child. The scars come
and take her.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Put this kid like five, you know, he's about to
get baby, she's gonna get gutted.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
She's exhausted. She just swum with a full pack ashore.
She's trying to tell them she's not a wolf. They
don't care. The gutting process is about to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Begin, but they look to the kid to see what
they should do, and the kids like and he's like, yeah,
just let me like it's happening.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
But then the big horn from the village, and it's
very clear that the wolf campaign has started against these
about against the Seraphyite home villages, like.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It's it's I just got to say, now, the Seraphyites.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Look, I can't pretend to know what it's like to
be in a weird religious, medieval cult, but I do
feel like, guys, couldn't you just have like one walkie talkie?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I feel like, do you need the big horn? Like
do you have to eat that? I must in the lapping.
I feel like maybe like a.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Little mix of technology, and you know, I'm not trying
to judge the way they choose to live their life.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But when the big horn went off, I was cracking up.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I was like, oh, all right, fucking like, all right,
Henry the eight, like get the boiling oil out. No,
come on, guys, it's the modern times.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Just use one one walkie talkie.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
The seraphyte who came up with that was like, oh,
Helm's deep.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This is this is sick Like I loved when they
do this in Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Guys, okay, so uh Ellie. Then she gets her reprieve
because all the Seraphites run off to go defend that,
and she was.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like being hanged. It was almost right here.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah. Ellie runs back to the shore. She gets in
another boat as explosions are going off behind her. This
the war has begun. She makes her way to the aquarium,
sneaks in. This whole building is clearly a w LF barracks.
There's cots everywhere. This is so again, this is crazy
what she's doing. And she goes on, she just lost,
(26:34):
like she lost the plot. She goes off in the
dark looking for Abby. She finds instead Melon Owen arguing
about something, some choice that Abby has made, something has
gone astray, which people have played the game will know.
And Ellie goes in gune up, saying where the fuck
(26:55):
is Abby Owen Recognition immediately on his face and he's like, well,
well hold on a second, I'm the one who said
don't kill her.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Ah which I kind of love this recurring theme because
as Joel said to Abby, I saved your life and
it didn't matter, and Nora said the same thing, we'd
let you live.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And now Owen he you know, I'm the one who
kept you alive. But what I love about this moment
is Owen doesn't believe what Ellie tells him. But I
do believe that when Ellie tells Owen and Mal that
she doesn't want to kill them and she won't kill them.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think she means that.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think what she did to Nora is haunting her,
and I think there's a version where if she gets
to find Abby, she maybe lets them go, or at
least lets mel go I.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I have a straight haircut I have, which is that
I agree with you that she means it here because
I do think that the amount of death that she
has encountered already, and the close calls with Tommy, with Jesse,
with Dina, with the er through the leg are have
(28:00):
I think they've rocked her. And that said, if you
really don't want to kill them, then yeah, she hasn't
thought it through all the way to match her intentions
to her actions, because what she's done. While she totally
doesn't want to kill them, is she's taken an action
(28:21):
that can only lead to her. You you're gonna be like, Okay,
you stand there, or you tie up Mel, and then
I'll tie up you. Like, how is that gonna work? Ellie?
It's this is It's not gonna work, right, So one
thing leads to another. Owen reaches for a gun. Ellie
shoots with Joel's gun. The bullet goes right through Owen,
(28:45):
who drops dead.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It goes through his throat and.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Goes through his throat and and hits a glancing shot
on Mel's jugular vein, goes into the wall. Mel looks
back the shot, realizes she's been hit, blood starting to
pour from her neck. She falls and she with her
like dying breaths. She pulls up her jacket and shows
(29:12):
Ellie that she's pregnant and says, Okay, listen, I need
you to save the baby.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Now, I've got a knife.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Get the knife out. I'm going to talk you through it.
I'm going to talk you through saving the baby. And
Ellie is like, oh my god, like okay, what do
I do? How do I do? Knife? How deep do
I have cut and Mel tells her deeper than you think,
but it immediately Mel loses touch with life, with what's
(29:46):
actually happening, and is not able to like stay alive
and hang on long enough to really talk Ellie through it.
And then Ellie doesn't have the determination to do it.
And it's in this moment that the full weight of
everything kind of crashes down on her. She just killed
an unborn child, just killed a mother, killed two people
(30:09):
she wasn't looking for. And it was in this it
was in this moment that we talked a lot about
the changes, the quotes quote unquote nerving they've done to Ellie,
and I think that I think that the changes are necessary,
and it made this scene hit home much more. It
makes her her It makes the way we think it's
(30:30):
going to go when she confronts Abby much more earned.
And I think it also made me think about how
much more successful Abby's justice mission revenge mission was. Yes,
like obviously successful, Like obviously it was terrible to kill
Joel in that way in front of a loved one,
(30:52):
like like that's I can't co sign that. At the
same time, they got the one person they were setting
out to get who had done the bad thing. They
didn't kill anybody else, and then they left. Abby has
now killed.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Oh baby, like four or five people already, like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Tortured someone basically to death, killed an unborn.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
It's like being lined up. It's bron like the militia
in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, and has put the lives of her closest loved
ones in danger. It's hard not to look at Abby
and go, well, Abby kind of did it the right
Like I think it's what Abby did too, but she
kind of did it the most responsible.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I would also say as well, like, look, I'm not
Ellie's going through it. I get it, but I've seen.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Enough like Lifetime movies, which are definitely all based on
real things and real science, as well as the iconic
two thousand and seven French New Extremity move Inside.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I think that I think that I think Ellie could
have cut that baby out, that Tommy even off the
mouth died.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Not that she has like a law of you know,
I don't think she really wants to, but I think
that baby could have survived. I think she should have tried.
She didn't even try, and that's a kid. She had
a choice here. Yeah, and I literally choice and death
she couldn't do it, but yeah, she breaks down.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The moment breaks her. The moment completely breaks her. And
speaking of break, let's take a quick break for a
word from our sponsors while we were back. And we're
(32:47):
back after a while, Jesse, Uh and Tommy arrive at
the aquarium into this scene of carnage. Ellie broken and
sobbing and just staring out on her hands and knees
at this dead mother who she has killed. They pick
her up. They go back to the theater and Tommy
(33:08):
and Jesse begin planning their exit strategy to get back
to Jackson. Tommy, can you see that Ellie is in
a really bad place, and he tries to once again,
you were.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I really like this a conversation, a real honest, authentic.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Just say it, because this is like comes from a
place of love from Tommy. He basically says, Hey, they
made their choices, but I gotta say, you're right. I
have come to feel like, yeah, you got to read
her the riot at right here, like look at this,
look at the fucking damage you called.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yes, this woman was a pregnant woman who also, by
the way, if we actually go back and revisit the
second episode, which I did.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mel was never the violent one.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Mel was the one who wanted to drug Dina so
she could stay alive. Mel was the one who was,
you know, most horrified. And Mel was a Karen. Mel
was a nurse, you know. And I think that makes
this scene even more heartbreaking than the version that we
get in the game.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And Tommy needs.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
To tell her, like, yeah, they made their choices, but
you also fucking made yours, and that's why we're here.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And you went on And by the way, Abby and
her crew they took five years to do it, Like,
they didn't go off in a road exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
They planned it from a community, even if it was
a small community of themselves.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So they're gonna leave. Ellie's made her peace with that.
She admits to Tommy that she has come to terms
with letting Abby survive, letting Abby live, not going after her.
She thanks Jesse again for saving her, and Jesse says, well, maybe, Tommy,
like maybe made me do it, you know, forced me
(34:56):
to do it. And Ellie's like, I know that's not true.
I know you came after me because you care about.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Me, because you're a good person, she says with a
sassy ass, fucking.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
As Yeah, Jesse says then that you know, it occurred
to him that Ellie would do the same to save his.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Life, which I like that acknowledgement. I really like the
acknowledgment of like he says something like, you know, I
know you'd burn down the world to come and save
my life.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Even though he understands that Ellie's choices are not always sensible,
there is a love and a passion behind them, and
that he didn't want to let her down when he
knew she would not do the same for him. But
then yeah, like you said, shots ring out, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You shouldn't have come, Jesse. Yes. Uh, they opened the
doors to go see what's going out out in the hall,
and Jesse's immediately killed, shot dead. It's it's just right
in the face, just like the fast and shocking. It's Abbie.
She's there and she's got Tommy down on the ground, prisoner,
(35:58):
and we don't know what he is, don't know where
Dina is. Ellie. Then the you know, the full weight
of how badly this is gone and all and all
the carnage, I think it comes down on her and
she is like, listen, I'm the one I did it,
taking responsibility. Really for the first time, I did it.
I killed your friends. Let me I'm the one you want.
(36:20):
I'm going to trade myself for Tommy. Okay, let them
live and just take me. Abby then tells Ellie like
I let you live and you wasted it, and then
gunshot fade to black. We'll talk about that in the day.
We flash back to today one Manny wakes up Abby
(36:41):
from a dream. He says, Isaac wants to see you,
and she looks out over the WLF base at Luminfield
and we see the WLF preparing for this massive fight
against the Seraphyites. And I think it's clear from this
that season three is going to be large part from
Abby's perspective, Okay, let's talk about that cliffhanger. I think
(37:06):
people are going to I think a lot of listen,
this has been a.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's gonna be crazy, least for the at least for a.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Lot of like the game century, the gamer centric audience
has been a divisive season. Yeah, I think they're going
to fucking hate Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't think people are gonna love it. I also
think there's.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
A lot I liked it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I liked it. I think it works.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I would love if they were brave enough to just
have season three basically or be from Abby's perspective, like
we get and they.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Make you wonder, yeah, and then make you wonder till.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Maybe that finale or season four, which they are now saying,
you know, they hope they get, which I think is
very interesting and we will talk about this more on
the round table, but we are pretty far into the
game at this point. So the idea that I would say,
like Sea yeah, is really interesting. But yeah, I'm really
stoked to dig into this in the round table because.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I think I think this really like this brought the
whole season I agree up for.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Me, I feel like it elevated the season, which had
been uneven I think six and absolutely oh six and seven.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I think they have an emotional heart and an interesting
kind of expansion. Answered a lot of the critiques we
had about like wanting to know more about the WLF,
wanting to know more about the scars, wanting to kind
of understand what was at stake in Seattle, and I
think that it really does that. And I think that
(38:30):
because of the addition of kind of mel asking Ellie
to save the baby and also the conversations between Ellie
and Jesse. I just think we got something here that's
going to go down as definitely one of the most
divisive binalis, but also I think one of the best.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I completely agree. I thought all of those moments, the
conversations between Jesse and Ellie, the moment where Ellie is,
you know, tears in her eyes watching this woman that
she'd killed bleed out, and as she begs, like for
the life of her unborn child, I think those are
(39:10):
the moments that made this show about more than just
the story it's telling, and made it about this kind
of very deep questions about the value of life versus
the value of death, revenge versus justice, community versus selfishness,
(39:33):
the balance between all these things. All of those kind
of like really deep ideas were contained in those scenes.
And I agree with you, like this a real high
point for this season and a real emotional like gut
punch and completely I can't wait to see where it is.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I can't wait to talk more about this in the
roundtable with our crew, because this is a really wi Yes,
stay tuned for that coming up soon.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
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Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
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