July 8, 2025 • 44 mins
To prepare for the dawn of a new Superman, Jason and Rosie are taking a quick look back. We explore the road to James Gunn’s version of Clark Kent, the comic books that inspired the movie, and we ask what this movie means for the next steps of the DC Universe. Plus, a special one-on-one interview with director James Gunn himself!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Today's episode will contain spoilers for some Superman comic stories,
but light light stuff. We're just gonna be talking about it,
getting you ready for Superman.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
What an is Jason?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Except oh and I'm rosday night And welcome back to
Extra Vision, the podcast where we got deep at your
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey news on Saturday. Wow, look at that faster than
a speeding bullet, Jason in trop In today's episode, we
are exploring the longer winding road or maybe actually surprisingly
short road. Let's talk about it that we have had
to walk to get to James Gunns Superman movie. And
guess what, we have a very special interview with James
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Gunn himself, whoa hosted by none other than the fantastic
superproducer and comic book superstar Joel Monique. So you are
gonna look forward to that. It's gonna be great. And
in the airlock we're gonna talk about it. How did
we get here? In the comics corner, We're gonna talk
about the comics that James Gunn himself has said inspired Superman.
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And remember, guys, if you love superheroes, if you're excited
about Superman, if you can't wait to see the Fantastic Four,
guess what great news. Not only we'll be covering it here,
but we're gonna be a SDCC San Diego comic com Baby,
we're gonna be there together. We're gonna be saying hi
to the fans. We're gonna be doing some fun panels.
We're gonna be doing some fun meat and greets. So
hit us up in the discord if you're coming, and
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keep an eye on socials for announcements.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, let's talk about how we got here. Superman is coming.
I cannot believe it. It is July second as we
record this. Superman is a week and a half away.
This is obviously a huge movie for the ongoing James
Gunn Peter Saffran project at the new DC. You let's
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talk about how we got here? How do we get here? Rosie?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, So, if you can believe it, it feels like
it was both yesterday and ten years ago. But in
October twenty twenty two, James gun and Peter Saffram were
announced as the CoA chairs and co CEOs of what
was then a very new name for our film expertise
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from DC DC Studios. We that was a new established thing.
They took over from Walter Harmado, who had kind of
overseen the DCEU. People were very surprised by this because
James Gunn is not an exec he is a director,
and that is not usually done. But they were, you know,
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we have david'saslov over there, they're reporting directly to him.
They start working with De Luca and Abdy who are
in charge of the films over there, and hilariously, literally
like a week later, they were like, Okay, we're working
on this. It's called the DCU. It's going to be
the DC Universe. There's going to be a Bible and
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the last kind of DCEU film we had Aquaman and
the Lost Kingdom. They're kind of working on that at
the same time as.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It was definitely a overlapping, yes, overlapping start to finish
a little bit of a messy and not anybody's fault.
I mean, anytime you're going to bring in a new
creative and executive team, there's going to be some kind
of overlap. So yeah, it wasn't like exactly like a
clean cut.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was pretty crazy too, because there were other stuff
that was in production. So you had Wonder Woman was
supposed to be a third Wonder Woman sequeled by Patty
Jenkins that was cut. We also had just had Black Adam.
The hierarchy of the DCEU did change, but not in
the favor of that movie. So even though they had
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brought back Henry Carvill as Superman and there was kind
of this hint that it would move back towards that
Snyder us that was then thrown out, the Batman films
we learned would be integrated. Makes sense because Matt Reeves
Batman is incredible. And the other thing that became very
clear and was an interesting kind of unexpected crossover, was
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that Jason Momoa, even though he had played Aquaman in
this new universe, would be cast as Lobo. So we
were getting all these little bits and pieces, but it
was not necessarily, as Jason said, very clean. It was
really messy. Last couple of months of the year was
just NonStop news. I'm sure you can go back and
hear us kind of in shock about it if you
go back and listen to those episodes. But it was
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in January twenty twenty three, so only two years ago,
which seems kind of crazy that they had basically started
to work on like a bible where it was the
idea of it was going to be called Gods and Monsters,
and it was gonna be the first kind of eight
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to ten years of the DCU, which makes sense because
that is what the MCU had done to much success,
and dc had never really managed to do it. So
the first five films that they announced Superman Legacy retitled
to Superman the Authority. That was always kind of out there,
but it makes sense with James gunn As, he's kind
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of like he loves an edgy story. He loves something
it's a bit gritty and dark, the brave and the bold.
Another thing I found surprising essentially we as we understand it,
kind of like a Batman and Robin's story was the
plan there. Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow now renamed as simply Supergirl,
which I think is very interesting and swamp thing that
is the five that we first heard about. Then we
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had Creature Commando's announcement, which has come out and was
actually pretty great. Waller an Amanda Waller TV show Lanterns,
which we actually have a cast for and we know
is going ahead, Paradise Lost, which is a two thousand
years before Wonder Woman was born kind of history of
the Amazons, and a Booster Gold TV show which we
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have not heard a lot about but I think is
probably up there.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Which definitely seems like something that is they've gone very
close to James Gunn's heart loves. Let's talk about the golfer.
This is a crazy sliineup for a moment. First of all,
how we're kind of like hinting at the turnaround? So
this is what twenty twenty three. It is now summer
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of twenty twenty five, the Superman movie is coming out.
How much of Superman did James Gunn come to this
deal with.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Do you? I think I do think that he came
with an idea of how to set it up when
I spoke.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The year descript or at least like story.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think he had an outline. I think that from
the earliest part of the outline he knew and had
a vision for what he wanted. I think starting it
around Superman makes a lot of sense. I think something
that really appealed to gun about Superman was the ability
to make a story about a character who is inherently
good and kind of chooses to be good in a
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world where everyone else chooses not to be. And I
think he came to them with that. I think him
and Saffran they'd worked together extensively. I think Peter Saffran
might have even been James Gunn's old agent at some point,
like early on. And I think that something that was
really interesting about this choice was basically that James Gunn said, Hey,
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we're going back to the classics. We're going to start
with Superman. We're going to try and find our in
verse of Batman. We still don't know if that's happening.
But one of the things that was really cool that
I think made this stand out was the choice to
basically say, this isn't a full reboot, like we still
like Viola Davis Award winning thespian Icon, we're keeping her
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as Amanda Walla. Obviously, John Cena Peacemaker, we're bringing him
back in. That's a story that James loves, a character
he really cares about, so they're gonna be in. And
then you start getting these other additions like Rick Flagg
Senior played by Frank Grio, who's going to be continuing
the story of Rick Flagg Junior, who we saw get
killed in the Suicide Squad movie. Very great movie. Sorry
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for the spoilers, Guys, go watch it. It's amazing And essentially,
like we started to see that while there was conversations
about is Galgado is Ezra Miller, is Zachary Levy all
these people who now are like, well, it's kind of
clear that they weren't going to come back. But back
then there was this idea of maybe there was a
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potential for crossover. The only crossover we really got that
is still being confirmed. There was just another junkit inter
you with James that came out about this is that
Sholo Mariduena's Jime Reyes as Blue Beetle is still Cannon
to the DCU, And that was really interesting because it
meant that there was potential for him to be in
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an animated series, potential for him to be kind of
in live action. I assume that they will add him
in the Booster Gold Show. So something that was very
unique about this too was we didn't really know what
was going to be the core of the DCU at
this point, but then Superman is announced as the first
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feature and crazily they started shooting in Norway in February
twenty twenty four, so they must have had a script,
and I think that that was probably part of the pitch.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, you come there, come and you say, hey, stories.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
This is how it going to start. This is because also,
as we've talked about quite extensively, Superman has a massive cast,
so James Gunn definitely probably came to them and said, hey,
this is why there's so many people in this movie.
This is my version of what I'm gonna do. And
they wrapped production on that movie by July twenty twenty four,
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so this was clearly like like a speed run of
a movie. And hilariously, one of the biggest reveals post
the film actually being rapped was that Crypto would appear
in the film, and that has not something we'd seen
in live action, and obviously Crypto, Superman's beloved dog, also
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plays a major part in Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, the
comic which we know they're going to adapt, and it
was inspired by James Gunn's dog who because he is
a director. He named Ozu after the iconic Japanese director
of like Good Morning, one of my favorite movies, and
many other beautiful films. And Ozu is a very badly
behaved dog, and gun has kind of outwardly said when
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he was dealing with Ozu, he was like, wait a minute,
like what if my dog had superpowers? And I was
having to deal with him like biting up my shit
and tearing up my furniture and stuff, And that was
at the heart of how Superman began. So love that,
love to see more super pets in our life. Then
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in December twenty twenty four, so basically two years after
the announcement is made that him and Saffran are the
co CEO's co chairman, they drop the first projects that's
under this banner, and it's an animated series, Creature Commandos.
So I think that had to be in production beforehand
as a project James Gunn wanted to make, especially or
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at least in pre produnimation.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, animation, it's the train takes a long time to
leave the station with animation.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And the show is beautiful and it does establish characters,
it establishes that crossover nature we have Viola Davis is
voicing Amanda Walla. We have Frank Grio Asrik Flagg Senior,
who is also going to be in Superman, so we
start to get those crossovers. I think both of us
by the end of the series were really impressed with
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what they did. It showcased James Gunns how good he
is with weirdo characters, with characters you might not care about.
And then there's kind of for this rollout, a little
bit of a break for a few months, and in
April twenty twenty five, at Cinema Con in Las Vegas,
where you know, crazy things happen and exhibitors show up,
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and if you've watched the hilarious seth Rogan show the
studio that is where the final two episodes take place,
and that is where James Gunn dropped the first footage.
At Cinema Con, people are super into it and we
are sort of starting to get our first look at
this optimistic, very colorful, a Superman footage that looks really
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different than what we've seen before. We have that reimagining
of the score, we start to see Crypto. I was
lucky enough to go to Warner Brothers to watch the
trailer launch where we got to see kind of the
opening moments with Crypto and Superman, really moving stuff. We
know that David corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan are cast
as Lois and Clark after a really interesting chemistry read
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situation where they had three different actors playing Lowess, three
different actors playing Clark, had them in the same costumes
and they all kind of tried out together. Nicholas Holt,
who plays Lex Luthor, was involved in that. He was
originally going for Superman but ended up with Lex, and
then that is basically where we are. We've seen a
few different trailers and Superman is going to be coming
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out in July eleventh. We're going to see where it hits.
It's currently tracking for around one hundred and thirty five
million dollar opening. I think that would be huge. The
movie allegedly has a two hundred million dollar budget before marketing,
and I have to say the marketing for this movie
has been on point. The social media marketing for this
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movie on the Superman account on Instagram is hilarious. It
understands that people ship Les and Clark. It understands that
they are really a trio. That's something the movie, and
James Gunn clearly understands. And then the next step after
Superman comes out is that Peacemaker will drop. So will
Peacemaker be in Superman? Is there gonna be yet?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's gonna be. I think it's gonna pick up some
of the players it has right right it. Let's see
a quick break and then let's come back and talk
about some of that gods and monsters stuff, because I
think there's we've been we've been interested in that slate,
and so let's return to that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's a crazy slate.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's crazy, yeah, and we're back, okay, quickly before we
jump into comics corner, let's talk about that slate. Superman
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coming out in a week and two days, Supergirl June
twenty sixth, twenty twenty six, all set clay Face certainly
looks like it's gonna hit on September eleventh, twenty twenty six.
Now here's where it gets iffy. Yes, I think there's
two worlds right, Superman is a hit or Superman is
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a disappointment slash not a hit. Considering those two possibilities,
which of the remaining slate movies actually come out? The
Authority The Brave and the bold and Swamp thing. I
will tell you that I believe the Authority never no
matter what, I believe it's never coming and never come out.
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That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It doesn't make sense they can put the characters in
the movies. Obviously, as we have spoken about, the writer
of the Authority, Warren Out, has had a very yeah
tempestuous last few years. We don't even need to get
into it google it. But I also think that the
fact that there are a couple of members of the
Authority as far as we know in the movie, with
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Ultraman and the Engineer, I don't think that necessarily means
we're going to get an authority movie. I don't know
if it fits into this kind of optimistic wider scale
they're doing. There had been talks about certain movies being
elseworld movies if they didn't fit in, But honestly, I
thought that Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow would be an Elseworld's
movie because of just how different it is to anything else.
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But it is not. So. I think authority movie never happens,
even if Superman is a massive hit.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I also never heard anything about it since it was
announced originally during this the first press run for you know,
the gods and monsters in.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Whereas other things like Clayface. Mike Flanagan wrote a script
for it. We ever direct to atached we have a
actor playing clay Face.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It always seemed weird and the effact that we did
anything else tells me I agree with you. No matter what,
I don't think we see this movie.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think it was very much a situation where that's
clearly a comic James Gunn has a lot of love
for it was a different kind of almost like a
almost like an indie thing to throw in there that
made it seem like this is not just the heroes
you've heard of. And I think having the Authority in
the Superman universe and in this DC universe is great.
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But I think that if we were to get an
Authority movie, I think it's ten years in the future
when this has been a massive hit it's the new
MCU and then we get a Superman and the Authority movie,
which is a great more recent comic that Grant Morrison
wrote that has also you know, got feet in the
animated world. I just think that's more likely. So I
think Authority is gone. I do think that, sadly for Rosie.
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I do think that, yeah, twamp Thing is cut. I
don't think I love the idea of a James Mangold
swamp Thing. I love the idea of swamp Thing as
a tragic romantic hero. That's how I see it. He
wants to make a gothic horror movie. Sounds perfect, but
making swamp Thing is expensive. It's hard to do. They
already have precedent to say swamp Thing doesn't have an
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audience because of the TV show, which is amazing. You
can watch it for free on the CW app. But
and there's been two swamp Thing movies before, so I
think it would be an easy exec choice to cut it.
As much as I want it, the only thing I
think it has going for it is James Gunn loves weirdos,
loves monsters, and I'm guessing that is a character that
he really likes. I will tell you what I think
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is another one that might not make it, which is
really interesting because it should be your second thing after Superman.
If we understand the popularity, which is the brave and
the bold.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So now let me let me I agree with you.
Here's what I have to say. Putting on my pretend executive.
I'm a love executives.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Jason can Czepsion.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm going to say, what is this? Just make a
Batman movie? Uh, and exactly, I think that's what they'll do.
I think first of all, we have no casting news
on Batman. We know that search is ongoing, but we
have no casting news. By the way, the no casting
moves still even after the announcement.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And do you remember, like we literally had a live
show right in LA during the week when they were
casting Superman and it was all anyone could talk about.
It was all over tread. Yeah, it was crazy. And
the Batman there has been no you know this DC
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used Batman has had no movement. Also, it was originally
meant to be directed by Andy Machette directed The Flash,
which was a flop. Also, the Brave and the Bold,
James Gum recently said in an interview with Rolling Stone
he doesn't like a campy Batman, but ironically the Brave
and the Bold title is very campy. It's connected to
the cam kind of kids comics. It's connected to the
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very underrated and fun cartoon, which is also very campy.
So I think Batman's gonna have a reimagining.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think it's gonna be a Batman to Batman's centric film,
and certainly I think the Brave and the Bold title
will have Batman a Brave in the Bold. It will
not just be the Brave in the Bold. Secondly, the
complete lack of any kind of casting news. Now, James
Gunn like four months ago came out and seemed to
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shoot down the idea that Robert Pattinson, who's in The
Wonderful The Batman, would reprise the role as part of
this new DCU. He's the quote is this, It's certainly
not the plan.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That's not a no. That's not a no, I know.
And also that's the way.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
We have no other news. So I would suggest to you, Rosie,
that there is still some wrangling about Robert Pattinson being
in DC.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I would love that because going on the movie looks
like it's gonna be very much about Metropolis and why
Superman is there, and that means that our version of
Gotham could be very different, very separate, does not have
to necessarily go alongside it. So I think in that
case there is a chance that the Batman could fit
in really well. I kind of love the idea that
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every Neighborhood is completely different tonally, and every hero is something.
I'm really excited that kind of came out of the blue,
and I don't I'm still unclear whether or not it
is fully involved, but I think it must be because
it exists. There is a DC animated movie called Dynamic
Duo that is coming out that looks unbelievable, and I
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believe there's going to be a cinema release, and it
is about the friendship between Dick Grayson and Jason Todd,
and the images just look unbelievable. It looks like they're
trying to do some kind of stop motion Spider Verse
kind of combo. It was one of those things where
we really found out about it when some of the
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footage leaked, so I think that's very interesting. But that
is not set to come out till twenty twenty eight,
so we really are in a batman hole here, though
I will say I do think there was some hilarious
timing on the James Gunn interviews, because in the Rolling
Stone interview he was like, you know, the real truth
is that Matt Reeves is just a slow writer and
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we just got to let him do his thing, and
that's Okay, bro. The funniest thing is like the next day.
The next day, Matt Reeves posted that he had finished
the script on his Instagram, So I was like, I
love this, Matt. That's great. So I think definitely we're
gonna get Superman. It's coming out. We're gonna get Clayface
it's coming out. We're definitely getting Supergirl. I believe they've
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wrapped on production on that. But what does that mean
for the rest of the DCU. I think we're gonna
have to see what this super box office looks like.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Putting on my exact hat, I'm I'm probably saying to
James Gunn and Saffron after this clay Face thing, it's
got to be a Batman movie.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, you're like, come on, guys, that's what the people want.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, let's take a quick break and let's dive into
the comics and we're at okay, let's talk about Listen,
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James count has been very open about.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The Superman It's actually been one of the best things
about press.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Absolutely. He has been front and center, the biggest cheerleader
for the Superman stories he loves. So let's get into it.
Rosie tell us about the Superman.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, we have kind of talked about this, but let's
talk about it in a more direct way now the
movie is coming out, Alsa Superman. That is the biggest
influence on this Superman movie, James Palace exactly, you know,
like he actually personally told me that, Frank quietly, the
artist on this book written by Grant Morrison, is the
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biggest artistic influence on this movie. Plus he also called out,
as you mentioned, Jason, the colorist Jamie Grant as being
the person who really chose the palette, like what he
did in All Star Superman is what James Gunn took
from and that is why we have those saturations, those
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digital saturated colors. And I love to hear James Gunn
calling out a colorist. Basically All Star Superman. It's hard
to put into words simply because it's such a deep book,
but it was basically Grant and Frank trying to make
a timeless Superman comic. It is about Superman and the
realities of what it would be like to have your
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powers come from the Yellow Sun. What does that mean
if somebody uses the Yellow Sun against you? What does
it mean? I'll do it, you do it?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It is because this is actually I think if you
want a Lex Luthor story, oh, it's not just a
great Superman story, it's a great Lex Luthor story. So
Lex Luthor is finally tired of Superman shit, and he
kind of sets trap for him so that he Superman
is overpowered by the Yellow Sun, and this causes Superman
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to go into a slow motion terminal decline. Superman is
very aware.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Basically like Superman got cancer.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, he's very aware that he is going to pass away,
and so how does Superman set the world up and
set the people he loves up for a world without him?
And it's a very it's a beautiful Superman story.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I was really like when we saw Superman kind of
getting recharged up within the trailer with that machine and
the robots too, I was like, oh my god, are
they really making like All Star All Start?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
By him crashing into the ice seems like the kind
of cold open of All Star Superman.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, it's a really powerful book. It's also got one
of the most famous Superman pages of all time, which
is Superman helping a goth teen down from a ledge
where they're considering, you know, taking their own life and
it's a really powerful scene. It gets kind of shared
all the time, and it is very much about you know,
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Grant is very into mythology, so he calls them the
twelve Labors of Superman. But it's this idea of what
do you do for the people who are next? What
do you do for the people that you leave behind?
And I think that the original title Superman Legacy hints
that we may well see a version of this, but
I think as well, tonally, the kind of loving Superman,
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the Superman who is obsessed with, you know, being the
right kind of good and being the person who saves
the day, that's definitely going to come into play in
the movie. And yeah, very interested to see just how
close this is, but it is still twenty years later.
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This is the twentieth anniversary of the book being released.
One of the most beloved and powerful Superman comments.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Like, if you're going to read one Superman story today, well,
I don't know your next the next one?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All these So Superman for All Seasons is a four
issue comic book series by the beloved creative team Jeff
Lobe and Tim Sale. It does Tim the Long Halloween.
It's not often you're probably gonna hear me and Jason
yelling about how much we love Jeff Lowe. But this
is a rarity because the movie is so He's gone
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is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
He's got a thing, particularly when he partners with Tim,
that he does super I think maybe as good as
anybody has ever done it, which is take you into
a side story that is part of a character's origin story.
Let's take you into a different aspect of the early
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years of a character. He's done it with the Hulk,
He's dead. You mentioned it with Batman, and He's he
does it here wonderfully with Superman.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
This is one of my all time favorite Superman books.
I think it's beautiful. I think if you you know,
you can get this. It will be on Hoopla, It
will probably be on Libby if you have a library card.
It looks amazing digitally. But this is also the kind
of book where I say, go out and find a
copy of it. You can get it from frift books,
you can get it from your local comic shop, find
a trade. It's four issues, super easy to read, and
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essentially each issue is a different time in Superman's life, spring, summer, fall, winter,
and each one is narrated by a different person in
his life, beginning by his own father, John Kent, and
he talks about Smallville, and he talks about how he
was found, and he basically retells the origin story that
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we got in John Byrne's Man of Steel, which was
very much kind of a stripped down, streamlined recontextualization of Superman,
and it is so beautiful. I think that the first issue,
especially in Spring, is going to really play into how
we see Kansas here in Summer, it's narrated by Lois Lane,
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and I will say I think from the chemistry we've
seen in this kind of new era of Lois and Clark,
there's some really fun stuff in this book where Lois
is kind of like annoyed by Superman because he's kind
of always getting in the way of her stories, and yeah,
just really lovely stuff. We get Full, which actually is
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narrated by Lex Luthor, and there's kind of this idea
of the his relationship with Metropolis being almost like a
love story that he sees and how Superman gets in
his way, which I think we could really see in
this movie. We know that Lex and Clark and Lex
and Superman are going to be just fighting lex is
obsessed with Superman and James Gunn's version. And then finally,
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I love the Winter episode of this story because it's
narrated by Lana Lang, who's one of Clark's other love interests,
The Lady, the Other Lady, and it kind of deals
with like this sort of feeling of what does it
feel like to be in love with someone and not
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end up with them? And then how does it feel
to see that person become the most famous, stunning kind
of hero in the world. And what I really love
about this book too, and I think gun is going
to take from what we've seen in the trailers is
it's all about the scope and scale the story we know,
but this is really about you get to see Superman
flying through these immense skies, you get to see the
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corn fields where he grew up. You get to see
what it's like to see Superman if you live in Metropolis,
how does it feel to be there every day? I
just think this is such a great book, and when
this all star Superman, it's a fantastic, iconic book, but
it's also an incredibly high concept sci fi story where
the name is almost a spoiler because it's kind of
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about how Superman becomes a star. He is this living star,
that's how he gets his powers. But this is so
easy to read. This is so accessible. This is the
kind of book that you can give to anyone who's
maybe like, hey, I want to read a Superman comic.
This is that book. And I'm very excited to see
how that translates, especially because I really love the chunky
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Superman that we get in this book. And he has
the tribe, he has the chard, he's got a job head.
He's looking big and buff, and that's what we like,
and it's very Norman Rockwell, and I feel like he
looks like his vision is kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. The thing I love about about the look of
this Superman is it's like those old, like fifties ads
you'd get in a comic book or a pulp magazine
that's like char that like, are you a ninety pound
weekling getting like Sean kicked in your face? And the
after image of like the ninety pound weekling after he'd
been working out with whatever dumbbells that we would have
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bought through this ad is like what Superman looks like.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Another one that I know was a huge influence on
James Gunn is. This is an interesting poll too, because
it wasn't originally meant to be mainline, but then it
was so popular they decided to make it Cannon, which
is the Mark Wade Leonard Francis you book Superman birth Right,
which was originally meant to basically be like what if
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Superman existed in the twenty first century, And it was
kind of like a non cannon reimagining to modernize it,
but people liked it so much, and DC liked it
so much that it basically ended up replacing the Man
Steel Origin that had come out, you know, twenty years
before this. This was in two thousand and three. And
something that's really interesting is that Mark Wade was basically
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inspired by the Donna movies to make this really simple.
This is a Superman who is not infallible, he has
problems with his boss, he's losing his dry cleaning. Like,
it's very much this real life what would it be
like to be Clark Kent? And that is very much
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what James gunn has said he wants to do. His
Superman is not unbeatable, his Superman bleeds, his Superman relies
on other people. So I think this is another really
great reimagining, and you end up in a situation where
you get to meet Lois and Clark in the modern day,
which is another thing that I think we're gonna be
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dealing with in the superhero movies nowadays. In Superman, everyone's
gonna have a mobile phone, everyone's gonna know about everything
Superman does. There's gonna be Superman bloggers, Superman influencers, people
who just only track where Superman flies. So I think
the notion of reimagining it. And even though this book
came out twenty two years ago, so in its own
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way as dated, this is a really easy, chill way
to put in your kind of lot with like an
modernized Superman retelling that you don't have to know a
lot of law. You can understand who Clark is, who Lexes,
who Lois is. And Yeah, it's just I was surprised
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when he pulled this one because, like, to me, it's
not up there with like in the Conversation with All
Star Superman and Superman Full Seasons. But I love that
the influences are essentially.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
He's basically signing to us.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Hey, it's gonna be an origin story.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, and I'm basically sing like I'm deep in these
deep in the boxes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah exactly. He's like, Hey, guess what, guys, you might
see me at your local comic shop. I'm going to
tell you something that I think is very interesting that
we've kind of started to hear James Gunn express now,
which is the notion that what he wants to bring
to this movie is the feeling of when he was
three or four years old being a kid opening a
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comic book, and his version of that was not seeing
Superman on the street by himself as a little kid
being like where is where are my parents? Like I'm
in the ship. He's like, no, what he saw is
he saw Superman with fifty superhero friends, Superman with crazy
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powers where he can make himself tiny and make miniature
versions of himself like in the Golden Age. And he
wants to have that experience of like you just throwing
you into the comics. So I think as well, a
fun homework exercise if you guys want to do it
is go into your local comic shop and just buy
a dollar bin issue of Superman. Whatever comic looks cool,
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whatever cover looks cool, whatever art you like, whatever hilarious
kind of Shenanigans. There is a very famous and fun
collection online that you can look up called super Dickery,
and it's basically about all the time Superman sucked on
the cover of Like and he's like kid lowest to
the front of the train. He's beating up Jimmy Elson.
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There's a lot of funny stuff like that. You can
still grab one of those from your dollar bins or
your five dollar bins. Maybe get a twenty five cent
Superman comic that came out a couple of years ago.
But just read the comic and see if you can
just throw yourself into this world where Superman exists, all
the characters exist, and you can kind of lose yourself
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in that comic book world. Because I think that is
what Gun is saying, Like, that's the experience he wants
to bring to people, even though he's taking from these
more modernized origins. You are going to be in a
world where there are twenty characters. There are so many
superheroes we haven't even talked about Guy God and a
whole girl missed a terrific I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
This is the perfect throw. Let's take a quick break
and we'll be right Back with super producer Joel's interview
with James gunn.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Hey, James, I loved this movie. I had such a
good time in the theater. I brought my brother, who's
my best friend and my creative partner.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Oh my god, and we were tripping over.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
This line in the movie that was the first kind
of a throwaway and then we're like, is this the
point of the film, And it's the fight between Lewis
and Clark Water where she's like, I'm punk rock and
you like everybody and he's like, maybe that makes me
punk rock, And that's we were going back to your
film ograph. You're like, wow, obviously you're a musician and
you've been in that sea for a while, but like
it seems like the ethos of punk is infused.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
In all of your films.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yes, I want to talk to you a little bit
about like what that is for you, Like, what does
punk mean to you?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You got it? I mean for me punk rocket, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
And the way I think that that Superman sees it
is going against the grain, and that's that's probably my
favorite moment.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
In the movie, really, you know, along with the very ending.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
But I think that, uh yeah, I think that we
live in an age in which everything is so mean
and so ugly and everybody screaming at each other all
the time, and that right now, the most punk rock
thing you can do is be kind, be raw, be open,
look out for the person that needs looking out for,
be unapologetically earnest. I think those are the things that
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are the most rebellious that you can do.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Today, and it may be strange for people outside of
those communities. I wasn't a punky grown but I was
a raver kid, and I think we have a lot
of intersecting absolutely, like philosophy.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
All outsiders, really, I mean I think it's like yeah,
for sure, for sure, for sure, and.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I think it was it was mind blinks. I always
think of Superman. You know, I'm very much on the
side like the Superman's a square is such a goody,
good evil voy scout, you know, so so to infuse
like this, you know, real like historic essence of Superman
with a punk rock like yeah, I won't say manthesto
might be too broad, but like energy, I was.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Totally blown away.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
And I know you said you had some difficulty when
you're writing the script trying to get to the point
is that sort of the thing that busted open for you?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
No, it wasn't. I think that, you know. But I mean,
I think what you're saying about him being a square
in a goodie goodie is what's punk rock about it.
He is those things. He is Pollyanna, he is old fashioned,
and don't aren't we a little thirsty for people like that?
Then it seemed like there used to be people like that.
There aren't anymore. They're gone totally. They've all become mean.
So it's like, I think that that's that's it. But
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I think that, No. I mean, the dog is what
broke it open for me. You know, I think that
the emotion is I really start with sort of the
Oftentimes it's visual, or oftentimes it's a story point. It
was also the idea of him with blood in his
mouth and seeing Superman in a space that we haven't
seen him before. And oftentimes I just follow the story,
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you know, like when I'm when I'm figuring things out
and it leads me to places I didn't expect to go,
And that stuff is one of them. That that emotional
aspect of of of who he is and what he represents,
I think is in how I can.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Relate to Superman.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Is that I love that?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know, It's been funny as I've been going through
all of the cast members in this junket, the thing
everyone keeps coming back with, like, so I didn't test
for that long. It was super fast and I didn't
know what was happening at all. And I wanted to
talk to you a little bit about like chemistry tests and
like when were you seeing David And you were like, yeah,
that's he's like I read. I think that he just
read once, like it was a really fast experience.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, he read.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
He read quite a few times because we did because
he he read. So there were three Loises and three
Superman and he read with two of them.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Two lois'es.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh And then I believe, Yeah, I believe Nick read
with two of them.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
And then the other guy read with all three of them. Wow,
And he was great too. They were all such good actors.
All six of them were so good.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
It was so sad that you know, it's so sad
because you see these actors who are you just.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Love and want to work with them.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
There was a Lois one always She's so fantastic, and
I wanted to work with her. It's just Rachel just
seemed to fit my conception a little bit more. And
also the other interesting thing is the chemistry thing is real.
So we you know, we mixed and matched the Loises
and the Clarks, and Rachel read with David and there
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was like this really dynamite chemistry. And then Rachel read
with Nick and they were both so good, but I
didn't quite feel that same chemistry. But then Nick read
with one of the other Loises and the chemistry was dynamite.
And in some ways, it's almost like Rachel and David
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are very opposite personalities in real life, and that adds
like this this magnetism.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
They're like magnets totally, and that was true about you know,
I think Nick and the other actor. So it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
We needed it to cast Clark, Lois and Klois.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I have one more question left. Uh, So this is
like I find interesting, and maybe this is kind of
a weird question. So many members of your cast are like,
oh no, I'm not watching this movie until the premiere,
like I want to see and I feel like that's
so strange. Either actors like I don't want to see
it at all, don't show me, or they're like, you
know what it looks like before we get into like
pressing everything. So my mind is around it, like it
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seems like you've created such a lovely set and that
people are so excited about the artists, Like as a director,
for you, you know, what is it like to sort
of know they're both excited to be a part of
this film and to watch it.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
Yeah, I mean it's great. I mean it was great
the whole time we made this movie. It was such
a fun movie to shoot. I think it was always
you know, hard work, but I think the difficulty was
in the editing of it, seeing exactly how it fit together,
but in terms of the cast and the camaraderie they have.
And I'll be honest with you, I haven't seen the
(43:15):
final cut in the theater, so I've okayed it, you know,
So I've seen so I've seen like but you know
we had and now that's not true. The final cut
I've seen in the theater many times, but there's some
visual effects shots we put in at the last minute,
and so I've never seen the one hundred percent finished
(43:36):
version that you saw in the theater. So I'm also
not going to see the movie until the premiere.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Well, I loved it. Your cast is amazing, and maybe
next time get some stories about wrestling in Georgia because
I've heard some amazing things.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. They love there making George wrestling. Yes,
thank you so much. That was great. That was great,
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're gathering
the engine board of directors for a roundtable review of
Jurassic World Rebirth. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
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Worrying.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Today's episode will contain spoilers for some Superman comic stories,
but light light stuff. We're just gonna be talking about it,
getting you ready for Superman.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
What an is Jason?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Except oh and I'm rosday night And welcome back to
Extra Vision, the podcast where we got deep at your
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we're highlights the summer's biggest movies every Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey news on Saturday. Wow, look at that faster than
a speeding bullet, Jason in trop In today's episode, we
are exploring the longer winding road or maybe actually surprisingly
short road. Let's talk about it that we have had
to walk to get to James Gunns Superman movie. And
guess what, we have a very special interview with James
(01:05):
Gunn himself, whoa hosted by none other than the fantastic
superproducer and comic book superstar Joel Monique. So you are
gonna look forward to that. It's gonna be great. And
in the airlock we're gonna talk about it. How did
we get here? In the comics corner, We're gonna talk
about the comics that James Gunn himself has said inspired Superman.
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And remember, guys, if you love superheroes, if you're excited
about Superman, if you can't wait to see the Fantastic Four,
guess what great news. Not only we'll be covering it here,
but we're gonna be a SDCC San Diego comic com Baby,
we're gonna be there together. We're gonna be saying hi
to the fans. We're gonna be doing some fun panels.
We're gonna be doing some fun meat and greets. So
hit us up in the discord if you're coming, and
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keep an eye on socials for announcements.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, let's talk about how we got here. Superman is coming.
I cannot believe it. It is July second as we
record this. Superman is a week and a half away.
This is obviously a huge movie for the ongoing James
Gunn Peter Saffran project at the new DC. You let's
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talk about how we got here? How do we get here? Rosie?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, So, if you can believe it, it feels like
it was both yesterday and ten years ago. But in
October twenty twenty two, James gun and Peter Saffram were
announced as the CoA chairs and co CEOs of what
was then a very new name for our film expertise
(02:40):
from DC DC Studios. We that was a new established thing.
They took over from Walter Harmado, who had kind of
overseen the DCEU. People were very surprised by this because
James Gunn is not an exec he is a director,
and that is not usually done. But they were, you know,
(03:02):
we have david'saslov over there, they're reporting directly to him.
They start working with De Luca and Abdy who are
in charge of the films over there, and hilariously, literally
like a week later, they were like, Okay, we're working
on this. It's called the DCU. It's going to be
the DC Universe. There's going to be a Bible and
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the last kind of DCEU film we had Aquaman and
the Lost Kingdom. They're kind of working on that at
the same time as.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
It was definitely a overlapping, yes, overlapping start to finish
a little bit of a messy and not anybody's fault.
I mean, anytime you're going to bring in a new
creative and executive team, there's going to be some kind
of overlap. So yeah, it wasn't like exactly like a
clean cut.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was pretty crazy too, because there were other stuff
that was in production. So you had Wonder Woman was
supposed to be a third Wonder Woman sequeled by Patty
Jenkins that was cut. We also had just had Black Adam.
The hierarchy of the DCEU did change, but not in
the favor of that movie. So even though they had
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brought back Henry Carvill as Superman and there was kind
of this hint that it would move back towards that
Snyder us that was then thrown out, the Batman films
we learned would be integrated. Makes sense because Matt Reeves
Batman is incredible. And the other thing that became very
clear and was an interesting kind of unexpected crossover, was
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that Jason Momoa, even though he had played Aquaman in
this new universe, would be cast as Lobo. So we
were getting all these little bits and pieces, but it
was not necessarily, as Jason said, very clean. It was
really messy. Last couple of months of the year was
just NonStop news. I'm sure you can go back and
hear us kind of in shock about it if you
go back and listen to those episodes. But it was
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in January twenty twenty three, so only two years ago,
which seems kind of crazy that they had basically started
to work on like a bible where it was the
idea of it was going to be called Gods and Monsters,
and it was gonna be the first kind of eight
(05:20):
to ten years of the DCU, which makes sense because
that is what the MCU had done to much success,
and dc had never really managed to do it. So
the first five films that they announced Superman Legacy retitled
to Superman the Authority. That was always kind of out there,
but it makes sense with James gunn As, he's kind
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of like he loves an edgy story. He loves something
it's a bit gritty and dark, the brave and the bold.
Another thing I found surprising essentially we as we understand it,
kind of like a Batman and Robin's story was the
plan there. Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow now renamed as simply Supergirl,
which I think is very interesting and swamp thing that
is the five that we first heard about. Then we
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had Creature Commando's announcement, which has come out and was
actually pretty great. Waller an Amanda Waller TV show Lanterns,
which we actually have a cast for and we know
is going ahead, Paradise Lost, which is a two thousand
years before Wonder Woman was born kind of history of
the Amazons, and a Booster Gold TV show which we
(06:23):
have not heard a lot about but I think is
probably up there.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Which definitely seems like something that is they've gone very
close to James Gunn's heart loves. Let's talk about the golfer.
This is a crazy sliineup for a moment. First of all,
how we're kind of like hinting at the turnaround? So
this is what twenty twenty three. It is now summer
(06:49):
of twenty twenty five, the Superman movie is coming out.
How much of Superman did James Gunn come to this
deal with.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Do you? I think I do think that he came
with an idea of how to set it up when
I spoke.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The year descript or at least like story.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think he had an outline. I think that from
the earliest part of the outline he knew and had
a vision for what he wanted. I think starting it
around Superman makes a lot of sense. I think something
that really appealed to gun about Superman was the ability
to make a story about a character who is inherently
good and kind of chooses to be good in a
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world where everyone else chooses not to be. And I
think he came to them with that. I think him
and Saffran they'd worked together extensively. I think Peter Saffran
might have even been James Gunn's old agent at some point,
like early on. And I think that something that was
really interesting about this choice was basically that James Gunn said, Hey,
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we're going back to the classics. We're going to start
with Superman. We're going to try and find our in
verse of Batman. We still don't know if that's happening.
But one of the things that was really cool that
I think made this stand out was the choice to
basically say, this isn't a full reboot, like we still
like Viola Davis Award winning thespian Icon, we're keeping her
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as Amanda Walla. Obviously, John Cena Peacemaker, we're bringing him
back in. That's a story that James loves, a character
he really cares about, so they're gonna be in. And
then you start getting these other additions like Rick Flagg
Senior played by Frank Grio, who's going to be continuing
the story of Rick Flagg Junior, who we saw get
killed in the Suicide Squad movie. Very great movie. Sorry
(08:39):
for the spoilers, Guys, go watch it. It's amazing And essentially,
like we started to see that while there was conversations
about is Galgado is Ezra Miller, is Zachary Levy all
these people who now are like, well, it's kind of
clear that they weren't going to come back. But back
then there was this idea of maybe there was a
(09:00):
potential for crossover. The only crossover we really got that
is still being confirmed. There was just another junkit inter
you with James that came out about this is that
Sholo Mariduena's Jime Reyes as Blue Beetle is still Cannon
to the DCU, And that was really interesting because it
meant that there was potential for him to be in
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an animated series, potential for him to be kind of
in live action. I assume that they will add him
in the Booster Gold Show. So something that was very
unique about this too was we didn't really know what
was going to be the core of the DCU at
this point, but then Superman is announced as the first
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feature and crazily they started shooting in Norway in February
twenty twenty four, so they must have had a script,
and I think that that was probably part of the pitch.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, you come there, come and you say, hey, stories.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
This is how it going to start. This is because also,
as we've talked about quite extensively, Superman has a massive cast,
so James Gunn definitely probably came to them and said, hey,
this is why there's so many people in this movie.
This is my version of what I'm gonna do. And
they wrapped production on that movie by July twenty twenty four,
(10:21):
so this was clearly like like a speed run of
a movie. And hilariously, one of the biggest reveals post
the film actually being rapped was that Crypto would appear
in the film, and that has not something we'd seen
in live action, and obviously Crypto, Superman's beloved dog, also
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plays a major part in Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, the
comic which we know they're going to adapt, and it
was inspired by James Gunn's dog who because he is
a director. He named Ozu after the iconic Japanese director
of like Good Morning, one of my favorite movies, and
many other beautiful films. And Ozu is a very badly
behaved dog, and gun has kind of outwardly said when
(11:08):
he was dealing with Ozu, he was like, wait a minute,
like what if my dog had superpowers? And I was
having to deal with him like biting up my shit
and tearing up my furniture and stuff, And that was
at the heart of how Superman began. So love that,
love to see more super pets in our life. Then
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in December twenty twenty four, so basically two years after
the announcement is made that him and Saffran are the
co CEO's co chairman, they drop the first projects that's
under this banner, and it's an animated series, Creature Commandos.
So I think that had to be in production beforehand
as a project James Gunn wanted to make, especially or
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at least in pre produnimation.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, animation, it's the train takes a long time to
leave the station with animation.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And the show is beautiful and it does establish characters,
it establishes that crossover nature we have Viola Davis is
voicing Amanda Walla. We have Frank Grio Asrik Flagg Senior,
who is also going to be in Superman, so we
start to get those crossovers. I think both of us
by the end of the series were really impressed with
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what they did. It showcased James Gunns how good he
is with weirdo characters, with characters you might not care about.
And then there's kind of for this rollout, a little
bit of a break for a few months, and in
April twenty twenty five, at Cinema Con in Las Vegas,
where you know, crazy things happen and exhibitors show up,
(12:40):
and if you've watched the hilarious seth Rogan show the
studio that is where the final two episodes take place,
and that is where James Gunn dropped the first footage.
At Cinema Con, people are super into it and we
are sort of starting to get our first look at
this optimistic, very colorful, a Superman footage that looks really
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different than what we've seen before. We have that reimagining
of the score, we start to see Crypto. I was
lucky enough to go to Warner Brothers to watch the
trailer launch where we got to see kind of the
opening moments with Crypto and Superman, really moving stuff. We
know that David corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan are cast
as Lois and Clark after a really interesting chemistry read
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situation where they had three different actors playing Lowess, three
different actors playing Clark, had them in the same costumes
and they all kind of tried out together. Nicholas Holt,
who plays Lex Luthor, was involved in that. He was
originally going for Superman but ended up with Lex, and
then that is basically where we are. We've seen a
few different trailers and Superman is going to be coming
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out in July eleventh. We're going to see where it hits.
It's currently tracking for around one hundred and thirty five
million dollar opening. I think that would be huge. The
movie allegedly has a two hundred million dollar budget before marketing,
and I have to say the marketing for this movie
has been on point. The social media marketing for this
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movie on the Superman account on Instagram is hilarious. It
understands that people ship Les and Clark. It understands that
they are really a trio. That's something the movie, and
James Gunn clearly understands. And then the next step after
Superman comes out is that Peacemaker will drop. So will
Peacemaker be in Superman? Is there gonna be yet?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's gonna be. I think it's gonna pick up some
of the players it has right right it. Let's see
a quick break and then let's come back and talk
about some of that gods and monsters stuff, because I
think there's we've been we've been interested in that slate,
and so let's return to that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's a crazy slate.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's crazy, yeah, and we're back, okay, quickly before we
jump into comics corner, let's talk about that slate. Superman
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coming out in a week and two days, Supergirl June
twenty sixth, twenty twenty six, all set clay Face certainly
looks like it's gonna hit on September eleventh, twenty twenty six.
Now here's where it gets iffy. Yes, I think there's
two worlds right, Superman is a hit or Superman is
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a disappointment slash not a hit. Considering those two possibilities,
which of the remaining slate movies actually come out? The
Authority The Brave and the bold and Swamp thing. I
will tell you that I believe the Authority never no
matter what, I believe it's never coming and never come out.
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That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It doesn't make sense they can put the characters in
the movies. Obviously, as we have spoken about, the writer
of the Authority, Warren Out, has had a very yeah
tempestuous last few years. We don't even need to get
into it google it. But I also think that the
fact that there are a couple of members of the
Authority as far as we know in the movie, with
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Ultraman and the Engineer, I don't think that necessarily means
we're going to get an authority movie. I don't know
if it fits into this kind of optimistic wider scale
they're doing. There had been talks about certain movies being
elseworld movies if they didn't fit in, But honestly, I
thought that Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow would be an Elseworld's
movie because of just how different it is to anything else.
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But it is not. So. I think authority movie never happens,
even if Superman is a massive hit.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I also never heard anything about it since it was
announced originally during this the first press run for you know,
the gods and monsters in.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Whereas other things like Clayface. Mike Flanagan wrote a script
for it. We ever direct to atached we have a
actor playing clay Face.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It always seemed weird and the effact that we did
anything else tells me I agree with you. No matter what,
I don't think we see this movie.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think it was very much a situation where that's
clearly a comic James Gunn has a lot of love
for it was a different kind of almost like a
almost like an indie thing to throw in there that
made it seem like this is not just the heroes
you've heard of. And I think having the Authority in
the Superman universe and in this DC universe is great.
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But I think that if we were to get an
Authority movie, I think it's ten years in the future
when this has been a massive hit it's the new
MCU and then we get a Superman and the Authority movie,
which is a great more recent comic that Grant Morrison
wrote that has also you know, got feet in the
animated world. I just think that's more likely. So I
think Authority is gone. I do think that, sadly for Rosie.
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I do think that, yeah, twamp Thing is cut. I
don't think I love the idea of a James Mangold
swamp Thing. I love the idea of swamp Thing as
a tragic romantic hero. That's how I see it. He
wants to make a gothic horror movie. Sounds perfect, but
making swamp Thing is expensive. It's hard to do. They
already have precedent to say swamp Thing doesn't have an
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audience because of the TV show, which is amazing. You
can watch it for free on the CW app. But
and there's been two swamp Thing movies before, so I
think it would be an easy exec choice to cut it.
As much as I want it, the only thing I
think it has going for it is James Gunn loves weirdos,
loves monsters, and I'm guessing that is a character that
he really likes. I will tell you what I think
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is another one that might not make it, which is
really interesting because it should be your second thing after Superman.
If we understand the popularity, which is the brave and
the bold.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So now let me let me I agree with you.
Here's what I have to say. Putting on my pretend executive.
I'm a love executives.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Jason can Czepsion.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm going to say, what is this? Just make a
Batman movie? Uh, and exactly, I think that's what they'll do.
I think first of all, we have no casting news
on Batman. We know that search is ongoing, but we
have no casting news. By the way, the no casting
moves still even after the announcement.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And do you remember, like we literally had a live
show right in LA during the week when they were
casting Superman and it was all anyone could talk about.
It was all over tread. Yeah, it was crazy. And
the Batman there has been no you know this DC
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used Batman has had no movement. Also, it was originally
meant to be directed by Andy Machette directed The Flash,
which was a flop. Also, the Brave and the Bold,
James Gum recently said in an interview with Rolling Stone
he doesn't like a campy Batman, but ironically the Brave
and the Bold title is very campy. It's connected to
the cam kind of kids comics. It's connected to the
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very underrated and fun cartoon, which is also very campy.
So I think Batman's gonna have a reimagining.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think it's gonna be a Batman to Batman's centric film,
and certainly I think the Brave and the Bold title
will have Batman a Brave in the Bold. It will
not just be the Brave in the Bold. Secondly, the
complete lack of any kind of casting news. Now, James
Gunn like four months ago came out and seemed to
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shoot down the idea that Robert Pattinson, who's in The
Wonderful The Batman, would reprise the role as part of
this new DCU. He's the quote is this, It's certainly
not the plan.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That's not a no. That's not a no, I know.
And also that's the way.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
We have no other news. So I would suggest to you, Rosie,
that there is still some wrangling about Robert Pattinson being
in DC.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I would love that because going on the movie looks
like it's gonna be very much about Metropolis and why
Superman is there, and that means that our version of
Gotham could be very different, very separate, does not have
to necessarily go alongside it. So I think in that
case there is a chance that the Batman could fit
in really well. I kind of love the idea that
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every Neighborhood is completely different tonally, and every hero is something.
I'm really excited that kind of came out of the blue,
and I don't I'm still unclear whether or not it
is fully involved, but I think it must be because
it exists. There is a DC animated movie called Dynamic
Duo that is coming out that looks unbelievable, and I
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believe there's going to be a cinema release, and it
is about the friendship between Dick Grayson and Jason Todd,
and the images just look unbelievable. It looks like they're
trying to do some kind of stop motion Spider Verse
kind of combo. It was one of those things where
we really found out about it when some of the
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footage leaked, so I think that's very interesting. But that
is not set to come out till twenty twenty eight,
so we really are in a batman hole here, though
I will say I do think there was some hilarious
timing on the James Gunn interviews, because in the Rolling
Stone interview he was like, you know, the real truth
is that Matt Reeves is just a slow writer and
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we just got to let him do his thing, and
that's Okay, bro. The funniest thing is like the next day.
The next day, Matt Reeves posted that he had finished
the script on his Instagram, So I was like, I
love this, Matt. That's great. So I think definitely we're
gonna get Superman. It's coming out. We're gonna get Clayface
it's coming out. We're definitely getting Supergirl. I believe they've
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wrapped on production on that. But what does that mean
for the rest of the DCU. I think we're gonna
have to see what this super box office looks like.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Putting on my exact hat, I'm I'm probably saying to
James Gunn and Saffron after this clay Face thing, it's
got to be a Batman movie.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, you're like, come on, guys, that's what the people want.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, let's take a quick break and let's dive into
the comics and we're at okay, let's talk about Listen,
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James count has been very open about.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The Superman It's actually been one of the best things
about press.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Absolutely. He has been front and center, the biggest cheerleader
for the Superman stories he loves. So let's get into it.
Rosie tell us about the Superman.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, we have kind of talked about this, but let's
talk about it in a more direct way now the
movie is coming out, Alsa Superman. That is the biggest
influence on this Superman movie, James Palace exactly, you know,
like he actually personally told me that, Frank quietly, the
artist on this book written by Grant Morrison, is the
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biggest artistic influence on this movie. Plus he also called out,
as you mentioned, Jason, the colorist Jamie Grant as being
the person who really chose the palette, like what he
did in All Star Superman is what James Gunn took
from and that is why we have those saturations, those
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digital saturated colors. And I love to hear James Gunn
calling out a colorist. Basically All Star Superman. It's hard
to put into words simply because it's such a deep book,
but it was basically Grant and Frank trying to make
a timeless Superman comic. It is about Superman and the
realities of what it would be like to have your
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powers come from the Yellow Sun. What does that mean
if somebody uses the Yellow Sun against you? What does
it mean? I'll do it, you do it?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It is because this is actually I think if you
want a Lex Luthor story, oh, it's not just a
great Superman story, it's a great Lex Luthor story. So
Lex Luthor is finally tired of Superman shit, and he
kind of sets trap for him so that he Superman
is overpowered by the Yellow Sun, and this causes Superman
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to go into a slow motion terminal decline. Superman is
very aware.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Basically like Superman got cancer.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, he's very aware that he is going to pass away,
and so how does Superman set the world up and
set the people he loves up for a world without him?
And it's a very it's a beautiful Superman story.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I was really like when we saw Superman kind of
getting recharged up within the trailer with that machine and
the robots too, I was like, oh my god, are
they really making like All Star All Start?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
By him crashing into the ice seems like the kind
of cold open of All Star Superman.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, it's a really powerful book. It's also got one
of the most famous Superman pages of all time, which
is Superman helping a goth teen down from a ledge
where they're considering, you know, taking their own life and
it's a really powerful scene. It gets kind of shared
all the time, and it is very much about you know,
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Grant is very into mythology, so he calls them the
twelve Labors of Superman. But it's this idea of what
do you do for the people who are next? What
do you do for the people that you leave behind?
And I think that the original title Superman Legacy hints
that we may well see a version of this, but
I think as well, tonally, the kind of loving Superman,
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the Superman who is obsessed with, you know, being the
right kind of good and being the person who saves
the day, that's definitely going to come into play in
the movie. And yeah, very interested to see just how
close this is, but it is still twenty years later.
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This is the twentieth anniversary of the book being released.
One of the most beloved and powerful Superman comments.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Like, if you're going to read one Superman story today, well,
I don't know your next the next one?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All these So Superman for All Seasons is a four
issue comic book series by the beloved creative team Jeff
Lobe and Tim Sale. It does Tim the Long Halloween.
It's not often you're probably gonna hear me and Jason
yelling about how much we love Jeff Lowe. But this
is a rarity because the movie is so He's gone
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is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
He's got a thing, particularly when he partners with Tim,
that he does super I think maybe as good as
anybody has ever done it, which is take you into
a side story that is part of a character's origin story.
Let's take you into a different aspect of the early
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years of a character. He's done it with the Hulk,
He's dead. You mentioned it with Batman, and He's he
does it here wonderfully with Superman.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
This is one of my all time favorite Superman books.
I think it's beautiful. I think if you you know,
you can get this. It will be on Hoopla, It
will probably be on Libby if you have a library card.
It looks amazing digitally. But this is also the kind
of book where I say, go out and find a
copy of it. You can get it from frift books,
you can get it from your local comic shop, find
a trade. It's four issues, super easy to read, and
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essentially each issue is a different time in Superman's life, spring, summer, fall, winter,
and each one is narrated by a different person in
his life, beginning by his own father, John Kent, and
he talks about Smallville, and he talks about how he
was found, and he basically retells the origin story that
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we got in John Byrne's Man of Steel, which was
very much kind of a stripped down, streamlined recontextualization of Superman,
and it is so beautiful. I think that the first issue,
especially in Spring, is going to really play into how
we see Kansas here in Summer, it's narrated by Lois Lane,
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and I will say I think from the chemistry we've
seen in this kind of new era of Lois and Clark,
there's some really fun stuff in this book where Lois
is kind of like annoyed by Superman because he's kind
of always getting in the way of her stories, and yeah,
just really lovely stuff. We get Full, which actually is
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narrated by Lex Luthor, and there's kind of this idea
of the his relationship with Metropolis being almost like a
love story that he sees and how Superman gets in
his way, which I think we could really see in
this movie. We know that Lex and Clark and Lex
and Superman are going to be just fighting lex is
obsessed with Superman and James Gunn's version. And then finally,
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I love the Winter episode of this story because it's
narrated by Lana Lang, who's one of Clark's other love interests,
The Lady, the Other Lady, and it kind of deals
with like this sort of feeling of what does it
feel like to be in love with someone and not
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end up with them? And then how does it feel
to see that person become the most famous, stunning kind
of hero in the world. And what I really love
about this book too, and I think gun is going
to take from what we've seen in the trailers is
it's all about the scope and scale the story we know,
but this is really about you get to see Superman
flying through these immense skies, you get to see the
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corn fields where he grew up. You get to see
what it's like to see Superman if you live in Metropolis,
how does it feel to be there every day? I
just think this is such a great book, and when
this all star Superman, it's a fantastic, iconic book, but
it's also an incredibly high concept sci fi story where
the name is almost a spoiler because it's kind of
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about how Superman becomes a star. He is this living star,
that's how he gets his powers. But this is so
easy to read. This is so accessible. This is the
kind of book that you can give to anyone who's
maybe like, hey, I want to read a Superman comic.
This is that book. And I'm very excited to see
how that translates, especially because I really love the chunky
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Superman that we get in this book. And he has
the tribe, he has the chard, he's got a job head.
He's looking big and buff, and that's what we like,
and it's very Norman Rockwell, and I feel like he
looks like his vision is kind of similar.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. The thing I love about about the look of
this Superman is it's like those old, like fifties ads
you'd get in a comic book or a pulp magazine
that's like char that like, are you a ninety pound
weekling getting like Sean kicked in your face? And the
after image of like the ninety pound weekling after he'd
been working out with whatever dumbbells that we would have
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bought through this ad is like what Superman looks like.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Another one that I know was a huge influence on
James Gunn is. This is an interesting poll too, because
it wasn't originally meant to be mainline, but then it
was so popular they decided to make it Cannon, which
is the Mark Wade Leonard Francis you book Superman birth Right,
which was originally meant to basically be like what if
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Superman existed in the twenty first century, And it was
kind of like a non cannon reimagining to modernize it,
but people liked it so much, and DC liked it
so much that it basically ended up replacing the Man
Steel Origin that had come out, you know, twenty years
before this. This was in two thousand and three. And
something that's really interesting is that Mark Wade was basically
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inspired by the Donna movies to make this really simple.
This is a Superman who is not infallible, he has
problems with his boss, he's losing his dry cleaning. Like,
it's very much this real life what would it be
like to be Clark Kent? And that is very much
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what James gunn has said he wants to do. His
Superman is not unbeatable, his Superman bleeds, his Superman relies
on other people. So I think this is another really
great reimagining, and you end up in a situation where
you get to meet Lois and Clark in the modern day,
which is another thing that I think we're gonna be
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dealing with in the superhero movies nowadays. In Superman, everyone's
gonna have a mobile phone, everyone's gonna know about everything
Superman does. There's gonna be Superman bloggers, Superman influencers, people
who just only track where Superman flies. So I think
the notion of reimagining it. And even though this book
came out twenty two years ago, so in its own
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way as dated, this is a really easy, chill way
to put in your kind of lot with like an
modernized Superman retelling that you don't have to know a
lot of law. You can understand who Clark is, who Lexes,
who Lois is. And Yeah, it's just I was surprised
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when he pulled this one because, like, to me, it's
not up there with like in the Conversation with All
Star Superman and Superman Full Seasons. But I love that
the influences are essentially.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
He's basically signing to us.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Hey, it's gonna be an origin story.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, and I'm basically sing like I'm deep in these
deep in the boxes.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah exactly. He's like, Hey, guess what, guys, you might
see me at your local comic shop. I'm going to
tell you something that I think is very interesting that
we've kind of started to hear James Gunn express now,
which is the notion that what he wants to bring
to this movie is the feeling of when he was
three or four years old being a kid opening a
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comic book, and his version of that was not seeing
Superman on the street by himself as a little kid
being like where is where are my parents? Like I'm
in the ship. He's like, no, what he saw is
he saw Superman with fifty superhero friends, Superman with crazy
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powers where he can make himself tiny and make miniature
versions of himself like in the Golden Age. And he
wants to have that experience of like you just throwing
you into the comics. So I think as well, a
fun homework exercise if you guys want to do it
is go into your local comic shop and just buy
a dollar bin issue of Superman. Whatever comic looks cool,
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whatever cover looks cool, whatever art you like, whatever hilarious
kind of Shenanigans. There is a very famous and fun
collection online that you can look up called super Dickery,
and it's basically about all the time Superman sucked on
the cover of Like and he's like kid lowest to
the front of the train. He's beating up Jimmy Elson.
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There's a lot of funny stuff like that. You can
still grab one of those from your dollar bins or
your five dollar bins. Maybe get a twenty five cent
Superman comic that came out a couple of years ago.
But just read the comic and see if you can
just throw yourself into this world where Superman exists, all
the characters exist, and you can kind of lose yourself
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in that comic book world. Because I think that is
what Gun is saying, Like, that's the experience he wants
to bring to people, even though he's taking from these
more modernized origins. You are going to be in a
world where there are twenty characters. There are so many
superheroes we haven't even talked about Guy God and a
whole girl missed a terrific I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
This is the perfect throw. Let's take a quick break
and we'll be right Back with super producer Joel's interview
with James gunn.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Hey, James, I loved this movie. I had such a
good time in the theater. I brought my brother, who's
my best friend and my creative partner.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Oh my god, and we were tripping over.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
This line in the movie that was the first kind
of a throwaway and then we're like, is this the
point of the film, And it's the fight between Lewis
and Clark Water where she's like, I'm punk rock and
you like everybody and he's like, maybe that makes me
punk rock, And that's we were going back to your
film ograph. You're like, wow, obviously you're a musician and
you've been in that sea for a while, but like
it seems like the ethos of punk is infused.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
In all of your films.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yes, I want to talk to you a little bit
about like what that is for you, Like, what does
punk mean to you?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
You got it? I mean for me punk rocket, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
And the way I think that that Superman sees it
is going against the grain, and that's that's probably my
favorite moment.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
In the movie, really, you know, along with the very ending.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
But I think that, uh yeah, I think that we
live in an age in which everything is so mean
and so ugly and everybody screaming at each other all
the time, and that right now, the most punk rock
thing you can do is be kind, be raw, be open,
look out for the person that needs looking out for,
be unapologetically earnest. I think those are the things that
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are the most rebellious that you can do.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Today, and it may be strange for people outside of
those communities. I wasn't a punky grown but I was
a raver kid, and I think we have a lot
of intersecting absolutely, like philosophy.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
All outsiders, really, I mean I think it's like yeah,
for sure, for sure, for sure, and.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I think it was it was mind blinks. I always
think of Superman. You know, I'm very much on the
side like the Superman's a square is such a goody,
good evil voy scout, you know, so so to infuse
like this, you know, real like historic essence of Superman
with a punk rock like yeah, I won't say manthesto
might be too broad, but like energy, I was.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Totally blown away.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
And I know you said you had some difficulty when
you're writing the script trying to get to the point
is that sort of the thing that busted open for you?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
No, it wasn't. I think that, you know. But I mean,
I think what you're saying about him being a square
in a goodie goodie is what's punk rock about it.
He is those things. He is Pollyanna, he is old fashioned,
and don't aren't we a little thirsty for people like that?
Then it seemed like there used to be people like that.
There aren't anymore. They're gone totally. They've all become mean.
So it's like, I think that that's that's it. But
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I think that, No. I mean, the dog is what
broke it open for me. You know, I think that
the emotion is I really start with sort of the
Oftentimes it's visual, or oftentimes it's a story point. It
was also the idea of him with blood in his
mouth and seeing Superman in a space that we haven't
seen him before. And oftentimes I just follow the story,
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you know, like when I'm when I'm figuring things out
and it leads me to places I didn't expect to go,
And that stuff is one of them. That that emotional
aspect of of of who he is and what he represents,
I think is in how I can.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Relate to Superman.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Is that I love that?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know, It's been funny as I've been going through
all of the cast members in this junket, the thing
everyone keeps coming back with, like, so I didn't test
for that long. It was super fast and I didn't
know what was happening at all. And I wanted to
talk to you a little bit about like chemistry tests and
like when were you seeing David And you were like, yeah,
that's he's like I read. I think that he just
read once, like it was a really fast experience.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, he read.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
He read quite a few times because we did because
he he read. So there were three Loises and three
Superman and he read with two of them.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Got it.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Two lois'es.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh And then I believe, Yeah, I believe Nick read
with two of them.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
And then the other guy read with all three of them. Wow,
And he was great too. They were all such good actors.
All six of them were so good.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
It was so sad that you know, it's so sad
because you see these actors who are you just.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Love and want to work with them.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
There was a Lois one always She's so fantastic, and
I wanted to work with her. It's just Rachel just
seemed to fit my conception a little bit more. And
also the other interesting thing is the chemistry thing is real.
So we you know, we mixed and matched the Loises
and the Clarks, and Rachel read with David and there
(41:41):
was like this really dynamite chemistry. And then Rachel read
with Nick and they were both so good, but I
didn't quite feel that same chemistry. But then Nick read
with one of the other Loises and the chemistry was dynamite.
And in some ways, it's almost like Rachel and David
(42:03):
are very opposite personalities in real life, and that adds
like this this magnetism.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
They're like magnets totally, and that was true about you know,
I think Nick and the other actor. So it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
We needed it to cast Clark, Lois and Klois.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I have one more question left. Uh, So this is
like I find interesting, and maybe this is kind of
a weird question. So many members of your cast are like,
oh no, I'm not watching this movie until the premiere,
like I want to see and I feel like that's
so strange. Either actors like I don't want to see
it at all, don't show me, or they're like, you
know what it looks like before we get into like
pressing everything. So my mind is around it, like it
(42:43):
seems like you've created such a lovely set and that
people are so excited about the artists, Like as a director,
for you, you know, what is it like to sort
of know they're both excited to be a part of
this film and to watch it.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
Yeah, I mean it's great. I mean it was great
the whole time we made this movie. It was such
a fun movie to shoot. I think it was always
you know, hard work, but I think the difficulty was
in the editing of it, seeing exactly how it fit together,
but in terms of the cast and the camaraderie they have.
And I'll be honest with you, I haven't seen the
(43:15):
final cut in the theater, so I've okayed it, you know,
So I've seen so I've seen like but you know
we had and now that's not true. The final cut
I've seen in the theater many times, but there's some
visual effects shots we put in at the last minute,
and so I've never seen the one hundred percent finished
(43:36):
version that you saw in the theater. So I'm also
not going to see the movie until the premiere.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Well, I loved it. Your cast is amazing, and maybe
next time get some stories about wrestling in Georgia because
I've heard some amazing things.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. They love there making George wrestling. Yes,
thank you so much. That was great. That was great,
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're gathering
the engine board of directors for a roundtable review of
Jurassic World Rebirth. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi Our discored moderator.
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