July 22, 2025 • 47 mins
Marvel’s First Family is finally joining the MCU, and Jason and Rosie are here to prepare you for their next big adventure on the big screen! Featuring some of our favorite comic book moments and stories, we’re making sure you have all the essentials on Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Oh no, it's too late.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Warning.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Today's episode contains spoilers for some different Fantastic Four stories.
We're going to talk about them, We're not going to
super spoil them as we get you ready for the
upcoming Fantastic Four.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
First Steps. Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Name is Jase Konti and I'm Mersday Night and welcome
back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where we
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Snooze Saturday.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
In today's episode, we are going to get you ready
for the Fantastic Four. Who are the Fantastic thought Michael
Giacchino going crazy with that one. Yes, we are gonna
talk about who are the Fantastic Four. We're gonna say,
tell you some fun, fantastic full comic street before the movie.
(01:17):
We're also gonna make some theories and answer some potential
questions we have about the Fantastic Four movie and how
it will tie in to the rest of the MCU
and exciting times if you are gonna be at San
Diego Comic Con. It's the biggest nerdy event of the year.
And guess what, Me and Jason and Joel and Ian
(01:39):
are gonna be there too, so come say hi. Keep
your eyes to their socials. We're gonna be doing some
really fun stuff. And yeah, it's gonna be great. It's
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, Rosie, let's talk about the Fantastic Four, an iconic
comic book title. Legendary team, legendary team of legendary characters
created by truly legends of the industry exactly Jack Curry
and Stan Lee.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Ever heard of him, ever, ever heard of these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Allegedly in response to the massive success of the JLA
Justice League of America at DC, they appeared for the
first time in Fantastic four number one. And this is
actually crazy. I always in my mind for some reason.
Maybe it's because of the Spider Man. I think it's
like I think it happened later like sixty three or
six four. Nineteen sixty one is my first Fantastic four issue,
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and they are really the bedrock of Marvel's later success
because the comic was a surprise hit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
As they say, it really was. It was something where
Man Goodman kind of came to stand and was like, Hey,
what do you think about this? We need to make
a you know, a cool new team that's gonna compete
with DC. Allegedly there's a great story about Martin Goodman
(03:12):
being on the golf course and kind of talking about
it and all that drama. Well, friend of the Pod
Michael Uslin has debunked that apparently, So I was like, Okay,
no gold.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We'll see you know, we'll see people have you know
that that era.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I feel like everything is draped in various layers of
like myth making and legends, so it knows what the
real story is exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean, it's one of those fun things like who
was you know, who came up with the idea first?
Was it the X Men or the Doom Patrol? This
is one of those fun things. But Fantastic four definitely
a response to the massive success of the j LA
the first issue. And I do think something really interesting
about the Fantastic Four is they are one of those
things like Superman, where pretty much from the outset, general
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broad strokes are the same. They go to space, they
get hit by cosmic rays, they get powers, and we
don't learn that because just at the beginning, because just
like how it is in comic books, now there is
a jump into action. In the first issue, you see
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them fighting a huge monster who we may see in
the Fantastic Four movie, Giganta, because we've seen him in
some you know, promotional materials for like coffee tie ins
or something, which is always a hilarious way to learn things.
But yes, this was a huge success. Stanley was actually
about to quit comics again.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Was he ever gonna quit it?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Was he really gonna come back? The story is that
he was gonna quit, but the Fantastic Four made him
stick around. And I think that it's funny because for us,
this definitely was a formidable fame up their team, especially
because we had the movies were in the zeros. But
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for a lot of people they have not been as
prominent because due to licensing rights, there were many issues
with having the Fantastic Four in the MCU, which meant
that they weren't putting them in the comics because they
didn't want to promote something they couldn't make money off
in the movies. So we're gonna give you a little
primer number one on the cour sheet. It's mister Fantastic
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there is. He is a crazy, clever guy. He's a
complex genius, and I think his inventions and scope and
kind of duality put him in a really interesting place
to become that next Tony Stark. Tony Stark's tech like
pushed us through the infinity saga, and I think this
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is the next generation.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think that's right because Tony, for as you know,
as ambitious and as complex as he was himself were,
there was never a hint of menace, even even creating
Ultron and some of the bad things he's done in
the comics, his struggles with alcoholism, et cetera, and the
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various mistakes that he's made have been due to sincere
misunderstandings and just trying his best, trying his best read.
And particularly in recent years, recent decades, Is has been
portrayed as so smart and so beyond the bounds of
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like standards science, the smartest of the smart, super smart people,
that his intelligence has been injected with this hint of
destructiveness and disruption and dissatisfaction with like the status quo.
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And so you've seen other versions of Reid come to
the fore and sometimes quite menacingly you just kind of
want who just kind of say, well, I am the smartest,
so like shouldn't I just be in charge?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And that's a really interesting question, and I think one
that is at the heart of the Fantastic Four, which
is these people come back from the space mission that
they were on as test pilots depending on which version
you read, and they are given these unbelievable powers, these
almost like elemental powers, and a lot of the struggle
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and strife is, well, couldn't we make the world better?
But how do we do it in a way that
is moral and effective. It's kind of a superman issue,
like if you are the most powerful person in the world,
how do you wield that power? And for Read, at
the beginning, he was definitely benevolent scientists. But as you say,
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there are really different versions of Read the maker stuff
like that where his intelligence brings a coldness and almost
like a you know, Doctor Manhattan kind of disassociation. That's right,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, that kind of with a little bit of ambition
for himself. Up next, reads Partner in Life. Yeah, the
invisible woman suit Storm tell us about her, so.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
She is actually kind of our in character in that
first issue, which I love because she's like drinking tea
and then she's like, oh, gotta turn invisible, gotta go
save someone. Sue Storms originally reads girlfriend, she becomes essential
ostensibly like she can turn invisible, but the power is
also really about creating force fields and being able to
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kind of project energy, which I think really represents her
role as like the maternal one, and not just because
she's a woman, but because her younger brother is in
the team, her boyfriend soon to be husband is in
the team, her boyfriend's lifelong college best friend Johnny is
in the team. She is often the leader realistically when
Read is not. She also while being a secondary figure,
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and in the movies, especially the Jessica Alba version, was
often just played for like she's sexy and she's funny,
and though I love Jessica albersou Storm, I think that
what we're seeing from the Fantastic Movie Coming is more
about the depths of whose Sue is and how she
protects her family and what she's gonna do when she
has a baby, because we know that she will have
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Franklin in this movie. She is also somebody who very
famously and very popularly in this podcast is that apple
of someone else's eye, not just Read, but someone who
is very connected to the Fantastic Four from the earliest days.
I believe No More comes back in issue four of
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the Fantastic Four is kind of a foil for Johnny,
and then later on would become somebody who wants to,
you know, have a little romance with the powerful Invisible woman.
Will we see it in the MCU. I will have
to say, I do think that is probably one of
the only people who could give Pedro Pascala rum for
(10:07):
his money, So it'll be interesting to see. What do
you say?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I agree, I hope they bring it in. I will
say that Nymar is a complex character, right, He's an
anti hero in many ways, He's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Not truly heroic.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He's tried to take over the planet and destroy large
portions of it multiple times, right in service of his kingdom.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And yet through all of that, I think the thing
that probably reflects on him the worst is his allien,
his fascinations, obsession, his obsession with Sue, which at times,
particularly in the last like two decades, has taken on
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a kind of like where my hug at?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know? Tight thing? Yes, I think that's a great
point because originally it was more about like Sue being
left behind by this highly intelligent, kind of obsessive man
that reader is. And then you know, nay More shows
up in Beautiful jayy R. And he's like, oh, hello,
well I could be here, but you're right, it's definitely
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gotta where's my Hargat kind of energy nowadays. But you
know what, Sue is incredible. We've never gotten to see
Sue as an actual mother on screen. We've always seen
her kind of as the mother of the group. Very
excited to see her hair, also happy to see her
actually get to go to space this time, unlike the
last movie, The Fan four Stick, where she was forced
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to stay at home and then somehow still got hit
by cosmic rays. So it's going to be nice to
see Sue go to space and then come back and
then have a baby, all in a two hour and
twenty minute movie, which I think we're going to need
to talk about when we talk about what we're.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
For sure one more thing. I mean, she's also the Listen,
the Fantastic Forward have broken up a long time for Sue,
She's the one that keeps the whole thing together, reed
is not does not is. His head is in the clouds. Johnny,
you get the sense that he'd be happy doing a
million other things.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He's like a playboy, kind of like silly. Ben is.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Probably the most dedicated, naturally dedicated to the team, the
person who isn't Sue but also like has his own
thing going on. It's Sue that keeps together.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Up next, Johnny Storm tell us about Johnny the Human Torch.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He is very interesting because he's not the original human torch.
There was a human torch who predated Johnny, but he
gets that name here, and he is Sue's younger brother.
He's a flashy playboy. We love him. He gains the
power to essentially like turn himself into flames, so some
kind of like manipulation of his molecules, which I guess
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is technically what all of the Fantastic Four game they
call it in the commission Unstable Molecules is kind of
the answer for everything. He is a show off. He
is a troublemaker. He often goes to his own adventures.
He has been all over the MCU. He's been abducted
by the Beyonda, He's been taken to the scroll Home Planet.
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He's been dead. He's been dead. He's also dated the
woman who had become the Thing's wife. He did have
a weird Alicia Master's phase that was odd, very incestuous.
I didn't love that, no, I mean either. Also, interestingly,
early on, he was like still in high school and
the first kind of era of the Fantastic Four. He's
in high school, he's dealing with being a kid and
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also being a hero, and then he goes to college,
and that was quite extensively explored. I feel like maybe
they were hoping for like a Peter Parker kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Gonna say, it's interesting to look back at those early
marvels and see how how much of Peter was kind
of percolating before they really knocked.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The formula at the park with Parker himself.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
But I agree with you, it seems like Johnny was
kind of being positioned as this proto.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Play, kind of like proto.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Peter, the kid with the real world problems that also
is can catch on.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Fire yeah and fly really really fast. It's gonna be
interesting to see him in this. I feel like in
the other movies, I mean, we had the Michael B.
Jordan version, iconicly smart casting, but they he was like
a car thief and it was very tropy and just
like whatever. But in the Chris Evans version, he's kind
of this crazy, funny wild card, kind of like can't
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tell what he's doing, wants to show off, always using
his powers. I feel like what we've seen of the
Fantastic four MCU version so far has been a lot
more like stoic, and I still think he's going to
have that younger aspect, but Joseph Quinn seems to be
trying to bring something that's like a little bit more
melancholy or I think we could be seeing a different
type of Johnny, but I'll be interested because I think
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you need the silliness of Johnny because everyone else is
way more aware of what their powers do. And obviously
the person who has the powers that are hardest to
hide and I think hardest to live with is Ben
Grim and that's our final.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And grim Jack Kirby's exact the working.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Class Jewish boy from New York who's done good and
he is very cranky and he hates it because he
was turned into this kind of giant rocky figure. It's
very strange, a lot of the Fantastic Four stories really
focus on Read trying to cure Ben. Because Ben is
so upset, you know, he has to put on the
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classic classic trench coat and hat combo so he can
go out in the street without people noticing him. Though
I feel like he just looks like a giant rock
in a trench coat and a hat, so it doesn't
really help, but I love that disguise. He will eventually
fall in love with Alicia Masters, who is a very
famous character in Marvel comics, a blind woman. We've seen
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her brought to life by the Scotch Chloe. We saw
she was played by Kerry Washington in the classic Fantastic
Four movies that we got in the Zeros. We don't
know who she'll be plaied by. Now. We will talk
some more about some characters who are not sure, some
actors who are not sure who they're playing that could
come into it. But yeah, I think that from what
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we've seen, I am actually probably most excited about this
representation of Ben, because I think in other films he
is definitely just kind of like a cranky and scared
and angry and strong, but we seem to be getting
more of a loving Ben him more of that kind
of Kirby esque father figure Ben. I really am excited
to see him and Johnny together because they have done
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a lot of crazy stuff in the comics. Ben would
often join Johnny on his kind of solo adventures in
those old Fantastic Four comics. And also at times, I mean,
Ben has been cured. He was could by gamma radiation
and turned back into a human. So I think there's
a lot of interesting spaces that they could explore as
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they go forward, especially when we start talking about like
what does it mean to be hated and feared? Like?
That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I also wonder, much like in the comics, and much
like they did with The Hulk, if, as Ben Grimm
returns in various other MCU movies, if we see his
yes form change, if he becomes like the spiky thing
or just like a differently shaped thing, which he has
been over the course of.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, you bring up something really smart there, because something
I've been thinking a lot about since the last trailer
is the beard. Like the weird Rocky Beard. We don't
often see Ben on the screen change his shape or
change the way he looks unless he gets turned back
into a human. But I thought that was really interesting
that his face is kind of changing and evolving. So
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I think you're right. I think we'll probably see different
versions of the thing as he goes forward. And I
think it's kind of hard to explain in this weird
twenty twenty five phase, when we're all dealing with twenty
twenty five and also this kind of different landscape of superheroes,
it's hard to kind of explain just how formative and
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important the Fantastic Four were and could be to the MCU.
If this movie lands, you are essentially being introduced to
characters who could go into space, who could go underground,
who could be with every kind of hero. They know
the they know the Inhumans, they know the Avengers. Reid
was a founding member of the Illuminati, Like, there is
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so much they can do here. Ben could be involved
with damage control, like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think we'll see. I think we'll see some of
I think timelines once they bring in the X Men.
I think you're gonna have all these very very powerful
characters men guys look around again.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Badly. Yeah, I mean I think as well. Something that's
really interesting is with Johnny and Ben. They were both
kidnapped by the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. So
I also wonder if we're going to get to see
that the Secret Wars that we know from twenty fifteen,
which is really great, the Hickman Asadribbic Secret Wars. That
is also somewhere where we get to see that different
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side of read and it also introduces a different side
of doom. Don't worry, We're going to have a whole
villain's episode coming soon, guys, so you know, we love
to get into them. But yeah, it's just like a
really interesting space because right now there's so much going
on that it feels like, Okay, is this a big deal?
But it's hard to kind of explain like how much
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people like me and Jason have been talking about the
Fantastic for coming to the MCU.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I actually like like got really excited today as I
was prepping for this. I can't believe it's really gonna happens.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, all right, let's seek a quick break and quickly
talk about some other f F characters that we think
we might see or and speculate how other characters might
intersect with this before we go into our comics recommendations,
we read and we're back, Okay. Fantastic four has a
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lot of supporting characters and a lot of villains. Who
would you like to see? Who are some you'd like
to see?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm definitely a mole Man lover. In the lead up
to the Fantastic Four, I think, and also the kind
of insanity of the most popular parts of the MCU.
One of my absolute favorite theories that people had was
that they were gonna en produce their Fantastic for and
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they were going to be played by the guys from
It's Always Sunny, So like d would have been uh
in Storm, Dennis Reynolds would have been read. That was
actually a very very popular fan casting for a long time.
Charlie would be Johnny Storm, He's too old. But my
favorite casting out of that that I wish was true
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was Danny DeVito's Moleman and I want, I really want
to see Moleman. I think that would have been great casting.
I think there are a couple of people that potentially
we could see play that. We know. Poul Waterhouse is
going to be in the movie, so I would love
I'm a I'm a Moleman fan. I like your weird characters.
I'm also very excited to just see you know, Franklin,
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who I'm assuming is gonna be the baby that we
see should talk about We should.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Talk about frank a little bit, because, Yeah, the thing
about Franklin, which I think are some of our non
deep cut comics readers will probably not know, is that
Franklin is truly one of the most powerful figures in
Marvel comics, having you know, two of the most powerful
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and special parents in the MCU that DNA has like
is thriving folks and he it's going crazy. He is
a insanely powerful mutant.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, he is. And also something that's really interesting about
Franklin is he was first introduced in a Fantastic Four
annual number six from nineteen sixty eight, so he has
been a character almost as long as the Fantastic Four.
And he is essentially like he has more power than
you know when we talk about mutants, we talk about
amazing level mutants. He's essentially a god. He can change reality,
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he can change time, he can change the past, and
he even had powers from when he was a baby.
This was not like a mutant situation where you have
to turn into a teenager and then your mutant power
kind of activates. When he was a baby, he was
basically already drawing the attention of a version of Kang
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the con he was already, which is ironic because he
also would become Kang the Conqueror. But you know, even
a nihilus another great fantastic format. You know, that was
someone who he's aug a big space bug and he
was immediately drawn to Franklin and was like, how can
I use these powers? He did in some of the
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most controversial stuff, and we've seen this is very controversial
in the X Men law as well. There was points
when he was actually so powerful as a kid that
read put inhibitors on him to try and help him
lead a normal life, which is something that good old
Charles Xavier did to Jean Gray. He put psychic inhibitors
on her. And it's funny because when he was young,
they basically used Franklin and he is perennially young. I mean,
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I think now he's still a kid. But back in
the early days of the character, they kind of tried
to use him as a kid's character. They put him
in the power Pack team. You know, they were like,
what would it be like to be really fun and
see how it goes. But you started to get into
a lot more weird stuff once he was like essentially
kidnapped by his own grandfather, Nathaniel Richards, who replaced him
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with like an evil version of himself, and there was
all from there on, you know, onslaught happens, and Franklin
is a huge part of that. They want to use
him to absolutely change reality. Like ironically, the most important
character that they introduced in this movie might be baby Franklin.
When it comes to what the future of the mc.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Let me fire some at you. You tell me if
we are going to see this char Okay, okay, okay,
I'm ready in this movie or ever right, quick fire,
here we go Wyatt Wingfoot.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think that is actually a high likelihood because with
someone like why wing Foot, we don't have.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
He's kind of like the sidekick, human sidekick, friend of
the group.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah. Also he's a tracker, he's a marksman. The MCU
currently only has you know, one Native American character with Echo.
I would love to see that. I also think saying
there's something very interesting about the kind of like athletic
side of the MCU that we haven't really seen a lot,
which is like how great an athlete would you have
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to be to kind of stand up and be why
I can hang man? Why can absolutely hang?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay? Next up Alicia Masters. We kind of discussed it,
will we.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I feel like she has to be in this movie.
To me, I think Alicia Masters is like, that's a
core Fantastic four character, may as well be the fifth character.
I think that she is high likelihood. I I would
love to see a blind or sit impired actor play
her like we recently just had him bring her back
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an incredible performance from Soro Wang as a blind lead
of the movie, and I wish that we would get
more of that. I think that realistically it should probably
continue the Kerry Washington trend. I feel like Kerry Washington
was a very iconic version. I'd love to see black
Alicia Masters again. But I think if we're looking at
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who has already cast, who they cast is the thing.
I think that a Natasha Leone Alicia Masters is pretty
high on the odds. I think if we really are
realistic about it, Also, you get into so much cool
stuff with her with like the puppet Master. I agree, Yeah,
all these different characters. I feel like the puppet Master
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that could definitely be our John Malkovich. So I think
Alicia Masters. The highest likelihood of a fifth kind of
poor character that we would get.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Next is John Malkovich.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Either of these.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Old Alternate version Read or old alternate version Nathaniel Richards.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, I'm going to put a third one out there too,
Old Alternate Version Franklin. I think any three of those
could be real.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I think I think Old Alternate Franklin is very interesting, right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think that'll be really interesting, especially because my biggest
theory that I have been talking about on this podcast,
that's been talked about many times in my house is
there was a book called Fantastic Four Life Stories. I
think it basically shows the Fantastic Four through different decades
in each issue, and I think that we're going to
get a version of that. I think we are going
to see different eras and ages of these characters. We
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know we'll at least see a nine month period because
we see Sue when she's pregnant and we see the baby.
But I think that some kind of alternate version of
either Franklin, Nathaniel or Read is very likely. Let's take
Read off the table because I think he's Pedro Pascal.
I think you can allow him to do what he
needs to do if you bring him back in as
a future version. I should add that Nathaniel reads dad.
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But yeah, Nathaniel Richards, who is Read's dad, who is
often causing mad problems in the MCU and is very
interested in Franklin. I think that's really the high likelihood.
I think Franklin is a cool one. But if I
was going for the most realistic, I think older Nathaniel Richards,
who kind of comes through time to speak to Read
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or is in a flashback to Read, wants to talk
to Franklin. I think that is the most likely. I
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Okay, finally, well we see either of these Christoph son
of Doctor.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Doom, whoa I love.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well we either see or hear a mention of either
of these Christoph son of doctor Doom, or any inhuman.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay that is I think you're asking very important questions here.
I love Christoph von Doom. I think he's a great character.
First appeared in the kind of JOm Burn almost like
I would say, like his run that was trying to
do like a man of Steel. But for Fantastic Four
where it's like half.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
One had one buttons he was pushing in the eighties,
it was and it was like what if it was
like back to basics they had mullets.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, they had mullets. Man, what if what if doctors
do Ma had a cool sun? But yeah? Is Hue
two forty seven? I think nineteen eighty two. I mean,
I love this character. I think it's really interesting. I
think the best stuff is actually way later when we're
talking about him being brought back as kind of this
like foil. I think in Sheeholk we were thinking about
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him a lot because of what they were pulling from.
I mean, I would love to see that. I think
it could be a great introduction to a kind of
like what is the impact of these characters, Like what
is it like to live in a world where the
Fantastic Four exists? Is it hard? Does it suck? Now?
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Is it likely that we'll see Christoph before we see
his dad? Maybe in a kind of long term MCU
phase one setup where we don't know that's who it
is but exactly, or like he's like a playboy that
Johnny in interacts with. So I think that and it
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was your second one.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Any will we get a hint or a mention of
any inhuman We know.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That one of the biggest issues in the MCU's previous
TV iteration was Jeff Lobes failed in Human series that
was also released at the Imax, and as you know,
rumor has it that was such a huge issue for
Kevin Figi because of the quality that he was like,
(30:53):
don't do that again, or maybe no more Imax MCU.
That is a rumor, but it is a rumor that
many of us have spoken about. I think that Crystal
is such a massive part of the fantastic for History
that if they did want to introduce a inhuman or
think about bringing the inhumans back, and we know that
Kamala Khan, they still did include her inhuman kind of
(31:17):
terror gen missed background a little bit with her new
mutant ideas. So I think that the MCU is inhuman friendly,
and I think that if it was going to be
in a movie that we get before Secret Wars, it
makes sense that it would be here. I think Crystal
is the obvious choice. And I have to say, we've
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already seen a black Bowl in that alternate universe version
of the Illuminati so I think people are open to it.
I think Kevin Faggy is not against it. I don't
think that in Humans are going to be a big
deal because the Marvel comics universe basically used them as
an X Men stand in when they couldn't get the
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X Men rights to make the movies, and they wanted
to make it in Humans a things, so they were
in the comics a lot. There's some great in Humans
comic book runs, but I think that if they do
get introduced, it's just gonna be as like a secondary
cast member. I think Crystal is the most likely. I
think they would probably also love to be able to
have Lockjaw and Kamala Khan be together, so maybe we
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would see Crystal and her dog, and I love that.
I wouldn't be shocked if it set it up here.
But I don't know if we're actually going to see
any Inhuman unless we could get some kind of interesting
callback to like read maybe and the Illuminati something he
tried to set up. I don't know, but in Humans
less likely I think than a Christoph name drop.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Okay, let's take a quick break and let's talk about
what comics. If people want to read a comic to
get them ready for Fantastic four.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
First steps?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
What comics we would suggest?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Grow back?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Okay, welcome a comics corner. Let's talk about comics. What
comics should we read if we want to get ready
for Fantastic four. We don't know much about Fantastic four,
or maybe we have read a couple of Fantastic four
comics and we'd love to know more. Let's suggest some Rosie.
Where should we start?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You start? So I had mentioned this in the comic
SPI I'm gonna re iterate. I think this is going
to be your best collection that you can get. Is
going to be fantastic for life story Mark Russell art
by Sean is a Casta so good, and it basically
is a six issue story and it's an exploration of
their lives if they aged in real time across decades,
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which we know. I love because my favorite comic book
is Love Rockets, where all the characters have aged over
the last forty plus years. And this is also set
among the backdrop of the Space race, so I feel
like very coded to what we are seeing in the movie.
And it also allows you to see where they stand
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in different periods of history. What the different kind of
responses are to them, and I think because our general
theory Jason correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
we're both on the same kind of page as this
is that they are going to end up with their
world being destroyed. Wherever they are is going to be destroyed,
and they're going to head into the MCU. So I
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think that it's very likely that we're going to get
to see different eras of their lives and different eras
of wherever they are. We don't know if it's a
real universe, if it's a pocket universe. I feel like
it would be so melancholy for it to be a true,
huge world that is destroyed, and the Fantastic Four are
usually optimistic, but this is a well.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Let me ask you this because I think this is
you hit on a good question. It's one we've been
talking about. Are they from the universe in which we
meet them in Fantastic Four first steps or are they
from somewhere else? And then, because I do agree with
you that I think the end is they travel to
the to the main MCU timeline, But are they from
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that place we find them or did they come from
somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's what I'm interested in because it is so different
visually from what we've seen before. But at the same time,
I think it looks like a world where the Fantastic
Four would thrive. Could it be that when they were
went up on their ship and were hit by cosmic
rays they ended up being sent back to this space
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that was a different world. I could believe it was
this somewhere that Reid wanted to test his powers in
the Interestingly, in the promotional materials that they have sent out,
including a kind of press release about the Fantastic Four
that was and out to celebrate, I believe the final
trailer they were calling it Retrofuturistic New York from retro
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Futuristic New York, which I found to be very interesting
because that is usually an aesthetic describer rather than like
a location describer. So yeah, I'm interested to see where
that goes. But also is that too much to fit in?
Is it too much to explain? I think it's quite
clear that whatever happened here is some kind of you know,
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they are celebrities. Okay, I'll put out a crazy one.
If we've got like a Nathaniel Richards or a Franklin
or even like if we're going as well to say
like a Bionda, what about this? What about if they
are in that space and they're basically being like kept
there by a villain to kind of live out this
horrific thing where they can't save the world.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I think, you know interesting, I think there's something interesting there. Okay,
so you're starting with I'm doing why story. I will
start with this is kind of boring, but I think
it's important to kind of understand where read goes in
kind of modern comics, and I think starting with Ultimate
(37:13):
Fantastic Four, Milara and Bendos, I think is a great
place simply because, as we've talked about on this pod
lots of times, the Ultimate Universe and the kind of
modern retellings of the origin stories of the Avengers, of
Spider Man of the X Men have been very influential
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on the way the MCU has been set up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So I would.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Imagine that at least some of the kind of character
angles and plot arcs and the way they set up
the early years of their powers would probably mirror a
lot of things you're going to see in Ultimate Fantastic Four,
which started in two thousand and four, and you're going
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to see, you know, like the the invention and discovery
of the end Zone aka and Negative Zone. You're gonna
see a crossover with multiple dimensions, including a Marvel Zombies dimension,
and just kind of like a good and very low
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lift place to start because you can go in and
you don't have to know about a bunch of other lore.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I'm going
to go for a wild one, but kind of like
show you if you want to enjoy just the feeling
like you had when you were a kid, of just
jumping into a story. I think the Walt Simonson al
Milgrim stuff from the nineties is really good. I think
three fifty three fifty one, and it's really interesting because
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mister Fantastic and the Invisible Women have only just kind
of joined the team. But the thing I think is
most notable about this that might tie in to what
we're seeing is the big reveal of this book was
that no Doctor Doom that we'd seen since this sixties
was actually the real Doctor Doom. And I feel like
this notion of like, is Robert Downey Jr. Really gonna
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be playing Doom? Is this a version of Doom and
iteration of Doom. Is it gonna end up like Thanos
in the comics where Jim Stalin just started to make
every single Thanos was just a clone of Thanos and
it was only the real Fanos when he wrote it.
I'm interested to see because that is one thing where
you know, we love to stay positive on X ray Vision.
But I don't know how they're gonna do Robert Downey
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Junior Doom, and I'm still thinking about it. So I
think that interesting idea of establishing that there are many
different versions of Doom and the real Doom is kind
of in that. Barrea is very cool also, I just
I love wal Simonson. He's amazing, and that's an all
star team, so it's really fun stuff. And it's actually
the thing is like not even the thing he's wearing
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like a crazy armor and his girlfriend is she thing.
It was very much in the nineties extreme time, so
they'd actually had a different Fantastic Four team with like
ghost Ride on it and stuff. But that's a really
fun one, and I think could hint at what they're
gonna do with audij what's just second pick.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
My second pick is going to be the future Foundation run.
So this is going to start around Fantastic four, five
seventy six in twenty ten and then run, you know,
for a while basically to twenty twenty. And this is
basically what happens is Reid becomes We're very discouraged with
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science and the way science is deployed on Earth, and
he wants to and even with his alternate versions of himself,
and so he wants to like put together this more
optimistic science team to like figure out how they could
use their research to better the universe. And it's got
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this crazy roster that includes like Alex power of power.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Packt blagging man the way I love power Pack like
nobody nobody loves that, nobody else, no other comic book.
Pocost is talking about power Pack. That's actually Vision Special.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And Nathaniel is part of it, and Franklin is part
of it. So I do think, I this is a
conspiracy theory and I don't believe this, but but I
kind of wonder if Read and the family being on
this planet is like part of this future foundation drive
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to be like wherever they were. It is like I'm
not happy, Like this world is terrible, like it's gone bad.
We need to find a place that's more optimistic, and
then they find this place where we find them. I
don't know, but I think it's a wonderful and very
like heady run with you know, a lot of a
lot of core kind of like Hickman things, which is
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like the big big ideas, like strong of familial emotions
and bonds between strange characters, super weird and super cool,
and also like it's you know, like listen. I think
first steps Future Foundation. The way director Max Schackman have
(42:21):
talked about like the future and the retro future and
the family, I think is possibly a hint that the
Future Foundation is like involved in.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
This mm hm. I think that's a really good call.
And I think as well, just generally, that retrofuturistic angle
and that vision of the future is really the biggest
question mark because it doesn't feel like it can just
be an aesthetic choice. It feels like it's telling us
something about the world. It's so different from anything we've
(42:54):
seen before. So I'm very interested to see how much
they commit. But I think Future Foundation is a solid
kind of grounded MCU thing that they could do really easily. Okay,
more and more for me and we'll get to do it, Okay,
So my favorite, I'm gonna go for the classic because
I think it's very going to be very influential. We
know Galactus is going to be in this movie. We
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know a version of the Silver Server is going to
be in the movie. We're doing it Fantastic four Volume one,
forty eight to fifty. It is the Galactus Trilogy. It
is Stanley, Jack Kirby, Joson at Stan Golbert Sammars, and
just NonStop absolute legends and post a meeting with the
aforementioned in Humans, the crew essentially returns to New York
(43:37):
and realizes that the Watcher is trying to protect them
from Galactus, which you know he's not supposed to in
get involved, guys, but he always does. And then we
get we get Galactus, we get the Silver Surfer, one
of Jack Kirby's most iconic creations, and the kind of
low level, like ground level real of like, oh shit, yeah,
(44:02):
we're the Fantastic Four, but this is a galaxy planet
eating being. How do we stop it? And I think
that is going to be the big core conflict at
the center of the Fantastic Four movie. And it's such
a classic awesome, beautiful old school comic. If you're not
(44:23):
somebody who likes to read old school comics who doesn't
necessarily love the art, this is a great place to
get into it. Jack Kirby is just absolutely at his best.
This shit's from nineteen sixty five. You know, it looks
so great. It's so easy to find in the comic shop.
Not single issues, obviously those are worth millions and millions
of dollars now, but you can find many collections of this,
(44:43):
And I think this is if you're picking like one
comic to read, you will get to know everything you
need to know about galac Abso the Silver Surfer and
guess what, We're also going to have an episode about that,
so you can read along and then get nerdy with
us about it too. But yeah, I think that has
to be there. Jason, what's your last pick?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
My final pick is listen. We're recording this on Wednesday,
July second, it's New Comic Day every Wednesday, and out
today at your comic book shop. Is fantastic. Four First
Steps and I'm gonna go pick it up. And it
looks very interesting to me. Written by Matt Fraction, who were.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
How exciting is a new Matt Fraction comic like that
is like Mark mat Fraction, the thing fastic that we
used to wish for, we were not getting it, and
it's been so long, and I'm so excited that is
he's back and he's going to be on Batman soon,
so we're really getting that. I know. The Matt Fraction
Renaissance is here.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Cover by Phil Noto, art by Mark Buckingham, and here's
the here's the blurb, which I think this sounds quite
quight fascinating. Four years ago the world was transformed as
an amazing cosmic powered quartet revealed themselves and their astonishing abilities.
Since that time, they have become world famous that it's
the Fantastic Four. Now, to celebrate that anniversary, Marvel recounts
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their very first exploit that saved our city from your destruction.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
So it's gonna be interesting. It's saying up what we're
going to see in the movie, let's be real, and
I love that for us.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well, I can't I'm I'm excited, I can't wait. I
am actually like tremendous, like I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy when you start to
think about it. I know. I'm like, Okay, wait a minute, guys,
I'm like, maybe we've been in the fatigue. Maybe people
have been tired. Maybe you know, these are not hitting
in the way that the exacts and the C suite
probably want them to. But you know what, we have
been waiting a long long time for a good Fantastic
(46:37):
four movie.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And maybe listen, what does fatigue really mean. It means
that the casual, the normal fans who like the you know,
the popcorn bucket summer movie fans have maybe uh tired
of gone looking in different directions. But four people who
(47:01):
love this stuff like this is this is gonna be
a fun summer.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
It's gonna be a really fun summer.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into
the antagonists ooh, the Fantastic four movie, Galactus and the
Silver Surfer. That's it for this episode. Thanks you for listening.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Warning.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Today's episode contains spoilers for some different Fantastic Four stories.
We're going to talk about them, We're not going to
super spoil them as we get you ready for the
upcoming Fantastic Four.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
In today's episode, we are going to get you ready
for the Fantastic Four. Who are the Fantastic thought Michael
Giacchino going crazy with that one. Yes, we are gonna
talk about who are the Fantastic Four. We're gonna say,
tell you some fun, fantastic full comic street before the movie.
(01:17):
We're also gonna make some theories and answer some potential
questions we have about the Fantastic Four movie and how
it will tie in to the rest of the MCU
and exciting times if you are gonna be at San
Diego Comic Con. It's the biggest nerdy event of the year.
And guess what, Me and Jason and Joel and Ian
(01:39):
are gonna be there too, so come say hi. Keep
your eyes to their socials. We're gonna be doing some
really fun stuff. And yeah, it's gonna be great. It's
gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, Rosie, let's talk about the Fantastic Four, an iconic
comic book title. Legendary team, legendary team of legendary characters
created by truly legends of the industry exactly Jack Curry
and Stan Lee.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Ever heard of him, ever, ever heard of these guys.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Allegedly in response to the massive success of the JLA
Justice League of America at DC, they appeared for the
first time in Fantastic four number one. And this is
actually crazy. I always in my mind for some reason.
Maybe it's because of the Spider Man. I think it's
like I think it happened later like sixty three or
six four. Nineteen sixty one is my first Fantastic four issue,
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and they are really the bedrock of Marvel's later success
because the comic was a surprise hit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
As they say, it really was. It was something where
Man Goodman kind of came to stand and was like, Hey,
what do you think about this? We need to make
a you know, a cool new team that's gonna compete
with DC. Allegedly there's a great story about Martin Goodman
(03:12):
being on the golf course and kind of talking about
it and all that drama. Well, friend of the Pod
Michael Uslin has debunked that apparently, So I was like, Okay,
no gold.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
We'll see you know, we'll see people have you know
that that era.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I feel like everything is draped in various layers of
like myth making and legends, so it knows what the
real story is exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I mean, it's one of those fun things like who
was you know, who came up with the idea first?
Was it the X Men or the Doom Patrol? This
is one of those fun things. But Fantastic four definitely
a response to the massive success of the j LA
the first issue. And I do think something really interesting
about the Fantastic Four is they are one of those
things like Superman, where pretty much from the outset, general
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broad strokes are the same. They go to space, they
get hit by cosmic rays, they get powers, and we
don't learn that because just at the beginning, because just
like how it is in comic books, now there is
a jump into action. In the first issue, you see
(04:21):
them fighting a huge monster who we may see in
the Fantastic Four movie, Giganta, because we've seen him in
some you know, promotional materials for like coffee tie ins
or something, which is always a hilarious way to learn things.
But yes, this was a huge success. Stanley was actually
about to quit comics again.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Was he ever gonna quit it?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Was he really gonna come back? The story is that
he was gonna quit, but the Fantastic Four made him
stick around. And I think that it's funny because for us,
this definitely was a formidable fame up their team, especially
because we had the movies were in the zeros. But
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for a lot of people they have not been as
prominent because due to licensing rights, there were many issues
with having the Fantastic Four in the MCU, which meant
that they weren't putting them in the comics because they
didn't want to promote something they couldn't make money off
in the movies. So we're gonna give you a little
primer number one on the cour sheet. It's mister Fantastic
(05:27):
there is. He is a crazy, clever guy. He's a
complex genius, and I think his inventions and scope and
kind of duality put him in a really interesting place
to become that next Tony Stark. Tony Stark's tech like
pushed us through the infinity saga, and I think this
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is the next generation.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think that's right because Tony, for as you know,
as ambitious and as complex as he was himself were,
there was never a hint of menace, even even creating
Ultron and some of the bad things he's done in
the comics, his struggles with alcoholism, et cetera, and the
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various mistakes that he's made have been due to sincere
misunderstandings and just trying his best, trying his best read.
And particularly in recent years, recent decades, Is has been
portrayed as so smart and so beyond the bounds of
(06:34):
like standards science, the smartest of the smart, super smart people,
that his intelligence has been injected with this hint of
destructiveness and disruption and dissatisfaction with like the status quo.
(06:54):
And so you've seen other versions of Reid come to
the fore and sometimes quite menacingly you just kind of
want who just kind of say, well, I am the smartest,
so like shouldn't I just be in charge?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And that's a really interesting question, and I think one
that is at the heart of the Fantastic Four, which
is these people come back from the space mission that
they were on as test pilots depending on which version
you read, and they are given these unbelievable powers, these
almost like elemental powers, and a lot of the struggle
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and strife is, well, couldn't we make the world better?
But how do we do it in a way that
is moral and effective. It's kind of a superman issue,
like if you are the most powerful person in the world,
how do you wield that power? And for Read, at
the beginning, he was definitely benevolent scientists. But as you say,
(07:52):
there are really different versions of Read the maker stuff
like that where his intelligence brings a coldness and almost
like a you know, Doctor Manhattan kind of disassociation. That's right,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, that kind of with a little bit of ambition
for himself. Up next, reads Partner in Life. Yeah, the
invisible woman suit Storm tell us about her, so.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
She is actually kind of our in character in that
first issue, which I love because she's like drinking tea
and then she's like, oh, gotta turn invisible, gotta go
save someone. Sue Storms originally reads girlfriend, she becomes essential
ostensibly like she can turn invisible, but the power is
also really about creating force fields and being able to
(08:40):
kind of project energy, which I think really represents her
role as like the maternal one, and not just because
she's a woman, but because her younger brother is in
the team, her boyfriend soon to be husband is in
the team, her boyfriend's lifelong college best friend Johnny is
in the team. She is often the leader realistically when
Read is not. She also while being a secondary figure,
(09:04):
and in the movies, especially the Jessica Alba version, was
often just played for like she's sexy and she's funny,
and though I love Jessica albersou Storm, I think that
what we're seeing from the Fantastic Movie Coming is more
about the depths of whose Sue is and how she
protects her family and what she's gonna do when she
has a baby, because we know that she will have
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Franklin in this movie. She is also somebody who very
famously and very popularly in this podcast is that apple
of someone else's eye, not just Read, but someone who
is very connected to the Fantastic Four from the earliest days.
I believe No More comes back in issue four of
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the Fantastic Four is kind of a foil for Johnny,
and then later on would become somebody who wants to,
you know, have a little romance with the powerful Invisible woman.
Will we see it in the MCU. I will have
to say, I do think that is probably one of
the only people who could give Pedro Pascala rum for
(10:07):
his money, So it'll be interesting to see. What do
you say?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I agree, I hope they bring it in. I will
say that Nymar is a complex character, right, He's an
anti hero in many ways, He's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Not truly heroic.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
He's tried to take over the planet and destroy large
portions of it multiple times, right in service of his kingdom.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
And yet through all of that, I think the thing
that probably reflects on him the worst is his allien,
his fascinations, obsession, his obsession with Sue, which at times,
particularly in the last like two decades, has taken on
(10:53):
a kind of like where my hug at?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know? Tight thing? Yes, I think that's a great
point because originally it was more about like Sue being
left behind by this highly intelligent, kind of obsessive man
that reader is. And then you know, nay More shows
up in Beautiful jayy R. And he's like, oh, hello,
well I could be here, but you're right, it's definitely
(11:18):
gotta where's my Hargat kind of energy nowadays. But you
know what, Sue is incredible. We've never gotten to see
Sue as an actual mother on screen. We've always seen
her kind of as the mother of the group. Very
excited to see her hair, also happy to see her
actually get to go to space this time, unlike the
last movie, The Fan four Stick, where she was forced
(11:38):
to stay at home and then somehow still got hit
by cosmic rays. So it's going to be nice to
see Sue go to space and then come back and
then have a baby, all in a two hour and
twenty minute movie, which I think we're going to need
to talk about when we talk about what we're.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
For sure one more thing. I mean, she's also the Listen,
the Fantastic Forward have broken up a long time for Sue,
She's the one that keeps the whole thing together, reed
is not does not is. His head is in the clouds. Johnny,
you get the sense that he'd be happy doing a
million other things.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He's like a playboy, kind of like silly. Ben is.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Probably the most dedicated, naturally dedicated to the team, the
person who isn't Sue but also like has his own
thing going on. It's Sue that keeps together.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Up next, Johnny Storm tell us about Johnny the Human Torch.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
He is very interesting because he's not the original human torch.
There was a human torch who predated Johnny, but he
gets that name here, and he is Sue's younger brother.
He's a flashy playboy. We love him. He gains the
power to essentially like turn himself into flames, so some
kind of like manipulation of his molecules, which I guess
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is technically what all of the Fantastic Four game they
call it in the commission Unstable Molecules is kind of
the answer for everything. He is a show off. He
is a troublemaker. He often goes to his own adventures.
He has been all over the MCU. He's been abducted
by the Beyonda, He's been taken to the scroll Home Planet.
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He's been dead. He's been dead. He's also dated the
woman who had become the Thing's wife. He did have
a weird Alicia Master's phase that was odd, very incestuous.
I didn't love that, no, I mean either. Also, interestingly,
early on, he was like still in high school and
the first kind of era of the Fantastic Four. He's
in high school, he's dealing with being a kid and
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also being a hero, and then he goes to college,
and that was quite extensively explored. I feel like maybe
they were hoping for like a Peter Parker kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Gonna say, it's interesting to look back at those early
marvels and see how how much of Peter was kind
of percolating before they really knocked.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
The formula at the park with Parker himself.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
But I agree with you, it seems like Johnny was
kind of being positioned as this proto.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Play, kind of like proto.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Peter, the kid with the real world problems that also
is can catch on.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Fire yeah and fly really really fast. It's gonna be
interesting to see him in this. I feel like in
the other movies, I mean, we had the Michael B.
Jordan version, iconicly smart casting, but they he was like
a car thief and it was very tropy and just
like whatever. But in the Chris Evans version, he's kind
of this crazy, funny wild card, kind of like can't
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tell what he's doing, wants to show off, always using
his powers. I feel like what we've seen of the
Fantastic four MCU version so far has been a lot
more like stoic, and I still think he's going to
have that younger aspect, but Joseph Quinn seems to be
trying to bring something that's like a little bit more
melancholy or I think we could be seeing a different
type of Johnny, but I'll be interested because I think
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you need the silliness of Johnny because everyone else is
way more aware of what their powers do. And obviously
the person who has the powers that are hardest to
hide and I think hardest to live with is Ben
Grim and that's our final.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And grim Jack Kirby's exact the working.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Class Jewish boy from New York who's done good and
he is very cranky and he hates it because he
was turned into this kind of giant rocky figure. It's
very strange, a lot of the Fantastic Four stories really
focus on Read trying to cure Ben. Because Ben is
so upset, you know, he has to put on the
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classic classic trench coat and hat combo so he can
go out in the street without people noticing him. Though
I feel like he just looks like a giant rock
in a trench coat and a hat, so it doesn't
really help, but I love that disguise. He will eventually
fall in love with Alicia Masters, who is a very
famous character in Marvel comics, a blind woman. We've seen
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her brought to life by the Scotch Chloe. We saw
she was played by Kerry Washington in the classic Fantastic
Four movies that we got in the Zeros. We don't
know who she'll be plaied by. Now. We will talk
some more about some characters who are not sure, some
actors who are not sure who they're playing that could
come into it. But yeah, I think that from what
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we've seen, I am actually probably most excited about this
representation of Ben, because I think in other films he
is definitely just kind of like a cranky and scared
and angry and strong, but we seem to be getting
more of a loving Ben him more of that kind
of Kirby esque father figure Ben. I really am excited
to see him and Johnny together because they have done
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a lot of crazy stuff in the comics. Ben would
often join Johnny on his kind of solo adventures in
those old Fantastic Four comics. And also at times, I mean,
Ben has been cured. He was could by gamma radiation
and turned back into a human. So I think there's
a lot of interesting spaces that they could explore as
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they go forward, especially when we start talking about like
what does it mean to be hated and feared? Like?
That's another thing.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I also wonder, much like in the comics, and much
like they did with The Hulk, if, as Ben Grimm
returns in various other MCU movies, if we see his
yes form change, if he becomes like the spiky thing
or just like a differently shaped thing, which he has
been over the course of.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, you bring up something really smart there, because something
I've been thinking a lot about since the last trailer
is the beard. Like the weird Rocky Beard. We don't
often see Ben on the screen change his shape or
change the way he looks unless he gets turned back
into a human. But I thought that was really interesting
that his face is kind of changing and evolving. So
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I think you're right. I think we'll probably see different
versions of the thing as he goes forward. And I
think it's kind of hard to explain in this weird
twenty twenty five phase, when we're all dealing with twenty
twenty five and also this kind of different landscape of superheroes,
it's hard to kind of explain just how formative and
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important the Fantastic Four were and could be to the MCU.
If this movie lands, you are essentially being introduced to
characters who could go into space, who could go underground,
who could be with every kind of hero. They know
the they know the Inhumans, they know the Avengers. Reid
was a founding member of the Illuminati, Like, there is
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so much they can do here. Ben could be involved
with damage control, like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think we'll see. I think we'll see some of
I think timelines once they bring in the X Men.
I think you're gonna have all these very very powerful
characters men guys look around again.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Badly. Yeah, I mean I think as well. Something that's
really interesting is with Johnny and Ben. They were both
kidnapped by the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. So
I also wonder if we're going to get to see
that the Secret Wars that we know from twenty fifteen,
which is really great, the Hickman Asadribbic Secret Wars. That
is also somewhere where we get to see that different
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side of read and it also introduces a different side
of doom. Don't worry, We're going to have a whole
villain's episode coming soon, guys, so you know, we love
to get into them. But yeah, it's just like a
really interesting space because right now there's so much going
on that it feels like, Okay, is this a big deal?
But it's hard to kind of explain like how much
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people like me and Jason have been talking about the
Fantastic for coming to the MCU.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I actually like like got really excited today as I
was prepping for this. I can't believe it's really gonna happens.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, all right, let's seek a quick break and quickly
talk about some other f F characters that we think
we might see or and speculate how other characters might
intersect with this before we go into our comics recommendations,
we read and we're back, Okay. Fantastic four has a
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lot of supporting characters and a lot of villains. Who
would you like to see? Who are some you'd like
to see?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm definitely a mole Man lover. In the lead up
to the Fantastic Four, I think, and also the kind
of insanity of the most popular parts of the MCU.
One of my absolute favorite theories that people had was
that they were gonna en produce their Fantastic for and
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they were going to be played by the guys from
It's Always Sunny, So like d would have been uh
in Storm, Dennis Reynolds would have been read. That was
actually a very very popular fan casting for a long time.
Charlie would be Johnny Storm, He's too old. But my
favorite casting out of that that I wish was true
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was Danny DeVito's Moleman and I want, I really want
to see Moleman. I think that would have been great casting.
I think there are a couple of people that potentially
we could see play that. We know. Poul Waterhouse is
going to be in the movie, so I would love
I'm a I'm a Moleman fan. I like your weird characters.
I'm also very excited to just see you know, Franklin,
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who I'm assuming is gonna be the baby that we
see should talk about We should.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Talk about frank a little bit, because, Yeah, the thing
about Franklin, which I think are some of our non
deep cut comics readers will probably not know, is that
Franklin is truly one of the most powerful figures in
Marvel comics, having you know, two of the most powerful
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and special parents in the MCU that DNA has like
is thriving folks and he it's going crazy. He is
a insanely powerful mutant.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, he is. And also something that's really interesting about
Franklin is he was first introduced in a Fantastic Four
annual number six from nineteen sixty eight, so he has
been a character almost as long as the Fantastic Four.
And he is essentially like he has more power than
you know when we talk about mutants, we talk about
amazing level mutants. He's essentially a god. He can change reality,
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he can change time, he can change the past, and
he even had powers from when he was a baby.
This was not like a mutant situation where you have
to turn into a teenager and then your mutant power
kind of activates. When he was a baby, he was
basically already drawing the attention of a version of Kang
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the con he was already, which is ironic because he
also would become Kang the Conqueror. But you know, even
a nihilus another great fantastic format. You know, that was
someone who he's aug a big space bug and he
was immediately drawn to Franklin and was like, how can
I use these powers? He did in some of the
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most controversial stuff, and we've seen this is very controversial
in the X Men law as well. There was points
when he was actually so powerful as a kid that
read put inhibitors on him to try and help him
lead a normal life, which is something that good old
Charles Xavier did to Jean Gray. He put psychic inhibitors
on her. And it's funny because when he was young,
they basically used Franklin and he is perennially young. I mean,
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I think now he's still a kid. But back in
the early days of the character, they kind of tried
to use him as a kid's character. They put him
in the power Pack team. You know, they were like,
what would it be like to be really fun and
see how it goes. But you started to get into
a lot more weird stuff once he was like essentially
kidnapped by his own grandfather, Nathaniel Richards, who replaced him
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with like an evil version of himself, and there was
all from there on, you know, onslaught happens, and Franklin
is a huge part of that. They want to use
him to absolutely change reality. Like ironically, the most important
character that they introduced in this movie might be baby Franklin.
When it comes to what the future of the mc.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Let me fire some at you. You tell me if
we are going to see this char Okay, okay, okay,
I'm ready in this movie or ever right, quick fire,
here we go Wyatt Wingfoot.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I think that is actually a high likelihood because with
someone like why wing Foot, we don't have.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
He's kind of like the sidekick, human sidekick, friend of
the group.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah. Also he's a tracker, he's a marksman. The MCU
currently only has you know, one Native American character with Echo.
I would love to see that. I also think saying
there's something very interesting about the kind of like athletic
side of the MCU that we haven't really seen a lot,
which is like how great an athlete would you have
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to be to kind of stand up and be why
I can hang man? Why can absolutely hang?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay? Next up Alicia Masters. We kind of discussed it,
will we.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I feel like she has to be in this movie.
To me, I think Alicia Masters is like, that's a
core Fantastic four character, may as well be the fifth character.
I think that she is high likelihood. I I would
love to see a blind or sit impired actor play
her like we recently just had him bring her back
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an incredible performance from Soro Wang as a blind lead
of the movie, and I wish that we would get
more of that. I think that realistically it should probably
continue the Kerry Washington trend. I feel like Kerry Washington
was a very iconic version. I'd love to see black
Alicia Masters again. But I think if we're looking at
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who has already cast, who they cast is the thing.
I think that a Natasha Leone Alicia Masters is pretty
high on the odds. I think if we really are
realistic about it, Also, you get into so much cool
stuff with her with like the puppet Master. I agree, Yeah,
all these different characters. I feel like the puppet Master
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that could definitely be our John Malkovich. So I think
Alicia Masters. The highest likelihood of a fifth kind of
poor character that we would get.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Next is John Malkovich.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Either of these.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Old Alternate version Read or old alternate version Nathaniel Richards.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, I'm going to put a third one out there too,
Old Alternate Version Franklin. I think any three of those
could be real.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I think I think Old Alternate Franklin is very interesting, right.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I think that'll be really interesting, especially because my biggest
theory that I have been talking about on this podcast,
that's been talked about many times in my house is
there was a book called Fantastic Four Life Stories. I
think it basically shows the Fantastic Four through different decades
in each issue, and I think that we're going to
get a version of that. I think we are going
to see different eras and ages of these characters. We
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know we'll at least see a nine month period because
we see Sue when she's pregnant and we see the baby.
But I think that some kind of alternate version of
either Franklin, Nathaniel or Read is very likely. Let's take
Read off the table because I think he's Pedro Pascal.
I think you can allow him to do what he
needs to do if you bring him back in as
a future version. I should add that Nathaniel reads dad.
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But yeah, Nathaniel Richards, who is Read's dad, who is
often causing mad problems in the MCU and is very
interested in Franklin. I think that's really the high likelihood.
I think Franklin is a cool one. But if I
was going for the most realistic, I think older Nathaniel Richards,
who kind of comes through time to speak to Read
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or is in a flashback to Read, wants to talk
to Franklin. I think that is the most likely. I
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Okay, finally, well we see either of these Christoph son
of Doctor.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Doom, whoa I love.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well we either see or hear a mention of either
of these Christoph son of doctor Doom, or any inhuman.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay that is I think you're asking very important questions here.
I love Christoph von Doom. I think he's a great character.
First appeared in the kind of JOm Burn almost like
I would say, like his run that was trying to
do like a man of Steel. But for Fantastic Four
where it's like half.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
One had one buttons he was pushing in the eighties,
it was and it was like what if it was
like back to basics they had mullets.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, they had mullets. Man, what if what if doctors
do Ma had a cool sun? But yeah? Is Hue
two forty seven? I think nineteen eighty two. I mean,
I love this character. I think it's really interesting. I
think the best stuff is actually way later when we're
talking about him being brought back as kind of this
like foil. I think in Sheeholk we were thinking about
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him a lot because of what they were pulling from.
I mean, I would love to see that. I think
it could be a great introduction to a kind of
like what is the impact of these characters, Like what
is it like to live in a world where the
Fantastic Four exists? Is it hard? Does it suck? Now?
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Is it likely that we'll see Christoph before we see
his dad? Maybe in a kind of long term MCU
phase one setup where we don't know that's who it
is but exactly, or like he's like a playboy that
Johnny in interacts with. So I think that and it
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was your second one.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Any will we get a hint or a mention of
any inhuman We know.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That one of the biggest issues in the MCU's previous
TV iteration was Jeff Lobes failed in Human series that
was also released at the Imax, and as you know,
rumor has it that was such a huge issue for
Kevin Figi because of the quality that he was like,
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don't do that again, or maybe no more Imax MCU.
That is a rumor, but it is a rumor that
many of us have spoken about. I think that Crystal
is such a massive part of the fantastic for History
that if they did want to introduce a inhuman or
think about bringing the inhumans back, and we know that
Kamala Khan, they still did include her inhuman kind of
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terror gen missed background a little bit with her new
mutant ideas. So I think that the MCU is inhuman friendly,
and I think that if it was going to be
in a movie that we get before Secret Wars, it
makes sense that it would be here. I think Crystal
is the obvious choice. And I have to say, we've
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already seen a black Bowl in that alternate universe version
of the Illuminati so I think people are open to it.
I think Kevin Faggy is not against it. I don't
think that in Humans are going to be a big
deal because the Marvel comics universe basically used them as
an X Men stand in when they couldn't get the
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X Men rights to make the movies, and they wanted
to make it in Humans a things, so they were
in the comics a lot. There's some great in Humans
comic book runs, but I think that if they do
get introduced, it's just gonna be as like a secondary
cast member. I think Crystal is the most likely. I
think they would probably also love to be able to
have Lockjaw and Kamala Khan be together, so maybe we
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would see Crystal and her dog, and I love that.
I wouldn't be shocked if it set it up here.
But I don't know if we're actually going to see
any Inhuman unless we could get some kind of interesting
callback to like read maybe and the Illuminati something he
tried to set up. I don't know, but in Humans
less likely I think than a Christoph name drop.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Okay, let's take a quick break and let's talk about
what comics. If people want to read a comic to
get them ready for Fantastic four.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
First steps?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
What comics we would suggest?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Grow back?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Okay, welcome a comics corner. Let's talk about comics. What
comics should we read if we want to get ready
for Fantastic four. We don't know much about Fantastic four,
or maybe we have read a couple of Fantastic four
comics and we'd love to know more. Let's suggest some Rosie.
Where should we start?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You start? So I had mentioned this in the comic
SPI I'm gonna re iterate. I think this is going
to be your best collection that you can get. Is
going to be fantastic for life story Mark Russell art
by Sean is a Casta so good, and it basically
is a six issue story and it's an exploration of
their lives if they aged in real time across decades,
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which we know. I love because my favorite comic book
is Love Rockets, where all the characters have aged over
the last forty plus years. And this is also set
among the backdrop of the Space race, so I feel
like very coded to what we are seeing in the movie.
And it also allows you to see where they stand
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in different periods of history. What the different kind of
responses are to them, and I think because our general
theory Jason correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
we're both on the same kind of page as this
is that they are going to end up with their
world being destroyed. Wherever they are is going to be destroyed,
and they're going to head into the MCU. So I
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think that it's very likely that we're going to get
to see different eras of their lives and different eras
of wherever they are. We don't know if it's a
real universe, if it's a pocket universe. I feel like
it would be so melancholy for it to be a true,
huge world that is destroyed, and the Fantastic Four are
usually optimistic, but this is a well.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Let me ask you this because I think this is
you hit on a good question. It's one we've been
talking about. Are they from the universe in which we
meet them in Fantastic Four first steps or are they
from somewhere else? And then, because I do agree with
you that I think the end is they travel to
the to the main MCU timeline, But are they from
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that place we find them or did they come from
somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's what I'm interested in because it is so different
visually from what we've seen before. But at the same time,
I think it looks like a world where the Fantastic
Four would thrive. Could it be that when they were
went up on their ship and were hit by cosmic
rays they ended up being sent back to this space
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that was a different world. I could believe it was
this somewhere that Reid wanted to test his powers in
the Interestingly, in the promotional materials that they have sent out,
including a kind of press release about the Fantastic Four
that was and out to celebrate, I believe the final
trailer they were calling it Retrofuturistic New York from retro
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Futuristic New York, which I found to be very interesting
because that is usually an aesthetic describer rather than like
a location describer. So yeah, I'm interested to see where
that goes. But also is that too much to fit in?
Is it too much to explain? I think it's quite
clear that whatever happened here is some kind of you know,
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they are celebrities. Okay, I'll put out a crazy one.
If we've got like a Nathaniel Richards or a Franklin
or even like if we're going as well to say
like a Bionda, what about this? What about if they
are in that space and they're basically being like kept
there by a villain to kind of live out this
horrific thing where they can't save the world.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I think, you know interesting, I think there's something interesting there. Okay,
so you're starting with I'm doing why story. I will
start with this is kind of boring, but I think
it's important to kind of understand where read goes in
kind of modern comics, and I think starting with Ultimate
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Fantastic Four, Milara and Bendos, I think is a great
place simply because, as we've talked about on this pod
lots of times, the Ultimate Universe and the kind of
modern retellings of the origin stories of the Avengers, of
Spider Man of the X Men have been very influential
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on the way the MCU has been set up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So I would.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Imagine that at least some of the kind of character
angles and plot arcs and the way they set up
the early years of their powers would probably mirror a
lot of things you're going to see in Ultimate Fantastic Four,
which started in two thousand and four, and you're going
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to see, you know, like the the invention and discovery
of the end Zone aka and Negative Zone. You're gonna
see a crossover with multiple dimensions, including a Marvel Zombies dimension,
and just kind of like a good and very low
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lift place to start because you can go in and
you don't have to know about a bunch of other lore.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I'm going
to go for a wild one, but kind of like
show you if you want to enjoy just the feeling
like you had when you were a kid, of just
jumping into a story. I think the Walt Simonson al
Milgrim stuff from the nineties is really good. I think
three fifty three fifty one, and it's really interesting because
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mister Fantastic and the Invisible Women have only just kind
of joined the team. But the thing I think is
most notable about this that might tie in to what
we're seeing is the big reveal of this book was
that no Doctor Doom that we'd seen since this sixties
was actually the real Doctor Doom. And I feel like
this notion of like, is Robert Downey Jr. Really gonna
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be playing Doom? Is this a version of Doom and
iteration of Doom. Is it gonna end up like Thanos
in the comics where Jim Stalin just started to make
every single Thanos was just a clone of Thanos and
it was only the real Fanos when he wrote it.
I'm interested to see because that is one thing where
you know, we love to stay positive on X ray Vision.
But I don't know how they're gonna do Robert Downey
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Junior Doom, and I'm still thinking about it. So I
think that interesting idea of establishing that there are many
different versions of Doom and the real Doom is kind
of in that. Barrea is very cool also, I just
I love wal Simonson. He's amazing, and that's an all
star team, so it's really fun stuff. And it's actually
the thing is like not even the thing he's wearing
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like a crazy armor and his girlfriend is she thing.
It was very much in the nineties extreme time, so
they'd actually had a different Fantastic Four team with like
ghost Ride on it and stuff. But that's a really
fun one, and I think could hint at what they're
gonna do with audij what's just second pick.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
My second pick is going to be the future Foundation run.
So this is going to start around Fantastic four, five
seventy six in twenty ten and then run, you know,
for a while basically to twenty twenty. And this is
basically what happens is Reid becomes We're very discouraged with
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science and the way science is deployed on Earth, and
he wants to and even with his alternate versions of himself,
and so he wants to like put together this more
optimistic science team to like figure out how they could
use their research to better the universe. And it's got
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this crazy roster that includes like Alex power of power.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Packt blagging man the way I love power Pack like
nobody nobody loves that, nobody else, no other comic book.
Pocost is talking about power Pack. That's actually Vision Special.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
And Nathaniel is part of it, and Franklin is part
of it. So I do think, I this is a
conspiracy theory and I don't believe this, but but I
kind of wonder if Read and the family being on
this planet is like part of this future foundation drive
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to be like wherever they were. It is like I'm
not happy, Like this world is terrible, like it's gone bad.
We need to find a place that's more optimistic, and
then they find this place where we find them. I
don't know, but I think it's a wonderful and very
like heady run with you know, a lot of a
lot of core kind of like Hickman things, which is
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like the big big ideas, like strong of familial emotions
and bonds between strange characters, super weird and super cool,
and also like it's you know, like listen. I think
first steps Future Foundation. The way director Max Schackman have
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talked about like the future and the retro future and
the family, I think is possibly a hint that the
Future Foundation is like involved in.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
This mm hm. I think that's a really good call.
And I think as well, just generally, that retrofuturistic angle
and that vision of the future is really the biggest
question mark because it doesn't feel like it can just
be an aesthetic choice. It feels like it's telling us
something about the world. It's so different from anything we've
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seen before. So I'm very interested to see how much
they commit. But I think Future Foundation is a solid
kind of grounded MCU thing that they could do really easily. Okay,
more and more for me and we'll get to do it, Okay,
So my favorite, I'm gonna go for the classic because
I think it's very going to be very influential. We
know Galactus is going to be in this movie. We
(43:15):
know a version of the Silver Server is going to
be in the movie. We're doing it Fantastic four Volume one,
forty eight to fifty. It is the Galactus Trilogy. It
is Stanley, Jack Kirby, Joson at Stan Golbert Sammars, and
just NonStop absolute legends and post a meeting with the
aforementioned in Humans, the crew essentially returns to New York
(43:37):
and realizes that the Watcher is trying to protect them
from Galactus, which you know he's not supposed to in
get involved, guys, but he always does. And then we
get we get Galactus, we get the Silver Surfer, one
of Jack Kirby's most iconic creations, and the kind of
low level, like ground level real of like, oh shit, yeah,
(44:02):
we're the Fantastic Four, but this is a galaxy planet
eating being. How do we stop it? And I think
that is going to be the big core conflict at
the center of the Fantastic Four movie. And it's such
a classic awesome, beautiful old school comic. If you're not
(44:23):
somebody who likes to read old school comics who doesn't
necessarily love the art, this is a great place to
get into it. Jack Kirby is just absolutely at his best.
This shit's from nineteen sixty five. You know, it looks
so great. It's so easy to find in the comic shop.
Not single issues, obviously those are worth millions and millions
of dollars now, but you can find many collections of this,
(44:43):
And I think this is if you're picking like one
comic to read, you will get to know everything you
need to know about galac Abso the Silver Surfer and
guess what, We're also going to have an episode about that,
so you can read along and then get nerdy with
us about it too. But yeah, I think that has
to be there. Jason, what's your last pick?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
My final pick is listen. We're recording this on Wednesday,
July second, it's New Comic Day every Wednesday, and out
today at your comic book shop. Is fantastic. Four First
Steps and I'm gonna go pick it up. And it
looks very interesting to me. Written by Matt Fraction, who were.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
How exciting is a new Matt Fraction comic like that
is like Mark mat Fraction, the thing fastic that we
used to wish for, we were not getting it, and
it's been so long, and I'm so excited that is
he's back and he's going to be on Batman soon,
so we're really getting that. I know. The Matt Fraction
Renaissance is here.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Cover by Phil Noto, art by Mark Buckingham, and here's
the here's the blurb, which I think this sounds quite
quight fascinating. Four years ago the world was transformed as
an amazing cosmic powered quartet revealed themselves and their astonishing abilities.
Since that time, they have become world famous that it's
the Fantastic Four. Now, to celebrate that anniversary, Marvel recounts
(45:57):
their very first exploit that saved our city from your destruction.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
So it's gonna be interesting. It's saying up what we're
going to see in the movie, let's be real, and
I love that for us.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well, I can't I'm I'm excited, I can't wait. I
am actually like tremendous, like I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy when you start to
think about it. I know. I'm like, Okay, wait a minute, guys,
I'm like, maybe we've been in the fatigue. Maybe people
have been tired. Maybe you know, these are not hitting
in the way that the exacts and the C suite
probably want them to. But you know what, we have
been waiting a long long time for a good Fantastic
(46:37):
four movie.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
And maybe listen, what does fatigue really mean. It means
that the casual, the normal fans who like the you know,
the popcorn bucket summer movie fans have maybe uh tired
of gone looking in different directions. But four people who
(47:01):
love this stuff like this is this is gonna be
a fun summer.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
It's gonna be a really fun summer.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into
the antagonists ooh, the Fantastic four movie, Galactus and the
Silver Surfer. That's it for this episode. Thanks you for listening.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. Our
supervising producer is Abu Zafar. Our producers are Common Laurent
Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and
Heidi Our disc called moderate Thom
Hosts And Creators
Jason Concepcion
Rosie Knight
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