September 30, 2025 • 44 mins
Summer is over, the crisp, cool breeze of fall is in the air, you know what that means! Winter TV is upon us. Jason and Rosie are discussing their most anticipated winter TV releases that they are looking forward to.
Shows discussed:
- IT: Welcome to Derry
- Talamasca: The Secret Order
- The Mighty Nein
- Pluribus
- Stranger Things season 5
- Percy Jackson season 2
- Fallout season 2
- Lanterns
- Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, it was Jesus getepcim and I'm Rosie and Night
and welcome back to x ray Vision of the podcast
where we dive deep with your favorite shows, movies, and
comments and pop culture coming from my Heart World, bringing
you three apisd s.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Week Class Nips. In today's episode, we are going to
be discussing the new series that we'll be hitting before
the end of the twenty five Twenty twenty five is
almost over, guys. Winter is coming and we will be
talking about it. Welcome to Derry and a very new
secretive sci fi series from Breaking Back creator Vince Gilligan,
(00:48):
which I'm very impressed and excited for. Then we will
be looking at returning series that we'll be hitting at
the end of this year and early next year. How
about Stranger Things? Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it?
We don't talk about it? And then we'll have a
little look see at what's coming out a beginning of
twenty twenty six. We got some lanterns Startley Academy. It's
(01:11):
gonna be fun. There's a lot of TV coming out
and it's almost October, guys, so winter is truly here.
Start to hear the jingling of Santa's Bells.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But first, Stephen King's empire extends across Dairy First show
to be aware of It's premiere in October twenty sixth
on HBO and HBO Max is It Welcome to Dry
not to be confused with Dairy Girls.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I Love Dary.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Welcome to Darry, which I believe is a documentary about
the troubles in Northern Ireland. No, this is completely This
is an expansion and an exploration of the universe, the
Stephen Key eight universe from her October twenty sixth, just
in time for Spooky Season, Andy Muschetti turns to direct.
Bill Scarsgard. Is still that spooky tooth Pennywise clown.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know they got him back. I think really having
Bill and this is the most important thing. Yeah, he's
become so iconic as this modern version of Pennywise, and
also the memfication and all the great behind the scenes
stuff of him kind of playing with the kids in costume.
Everyone wants to see him come back. That's probably the
biggest straw. And yeah, this is gonna be interesting. The
(02:34):
trailer definitely hints at a bleak, dark mystery and it's
gonna be about the history of Derry. So this is actually,
I believe, either the parents or the grandparents of the
kids from the most recent remake.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. And also something that was really interesting about the
trailer that I did not realize is much like Castle
Rock before it or the Beliguered Dark Tower adaptation, this
will be set in Stephen King's Connected universe. So we
see a bus that is bound for the Shaw Shanks
State Penitentiary. We see Dick calleran from The Shining who
(03:15):
is actually a major character within this series, it seems,
played by Chris Chalk, So it's definitely gonna be really
interesting to see how they cross that stuff over. It
makes sense to me. These movies until recently were the
biggest horror opening of all time, I believe, So I
think I get it. I didn't love the remakes. I
(03:36):
think they leaned a little bit too heavy into like
the kind of like everybody's saying a slur because it's
the eighties, and you were like, does this tell me
anything about this? But the show looks great. I also
love the cast. Jove Anna Deeppo, who was well reased
in Watchmen. He's also in Overlord, incredible movie. Taylor Page,
who's so good in Zola. Also was recently in the
(03:58):
you know, very very old school style, low budget remake
of Toxic a Benja. So yeah, I think this is
going to be interesting. Jason, as a reader, as a
Stephen King lover, what would you like to see them
do in this show that is different than what we've
seen before with other adaptations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Great question, Well, I guess I would like to see
if they finally are able to crack the code on
a Stephen King kind of interconnected univers You mentioned Castle Rock,
which is fun for a little while, but it didn't
hit did the way they would it, and kind of
seemed like it shaved the weirder edges off of King
(04:37):
stuff in a way that didn't make it so engaging.
So I'll be interested to see if if this works,
if you can create an interconnected Stephen King universe, because
then it gets really interesting. I'll also just say, you
know it, I read it when I was maybe thirteen
or fourteen, I forget when, and I and in retrospect,
(05:00):
Stephen has been quite open about how he was kind
of like in the depths of his alcoholism and drug
addiction at that time, like drinking twelve beers a day
while writing this book, and it definitely shows.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And it is not my favorite Stephen King book, and
it's kind of all over the place and it's quite
It's interesting to me that it has become this worldwide
smash because it is kind of other than the Clown.
The story itself was kind of like just all over
(05:39):
the map and water, very weird, very depressing. You know,
there's a child gang bang in it. It's exactly that
weird glad. But you know, I will say finally.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because I think it's interesting to touch on this. It's
interesting with starting here because it remakes that machete he
made that became this huge success, were so heavily influenced
by Stranger Things and the success of Stranger Things. And
now we're in a space where HBO is going to
be in a world where obviously Stranger Things derivative of
(06:12):
it and all those other eighties Stephen King vibes. But
if the show had not been so popular, you have
Stranger Things cast members who ended up in that as
So it's going to can HBO now transition that into
a post Stranger Things smash hit that expands the world
and becomes like a new you know, standout season for them.
(06:34):
I'd be interested to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Here's my one my one other thing too, what are
the difficulties in making a show in which the nemesis
who must be defeated is also the kind of the star.
And I think we've seen how difficult that can be
with the boys now maybe lung onto this too long,
(07:00):
And so I'll be interested to see, like just just
how much penny Wise is actually in this because again
I think penny Wise is kind of the star of it,
but also like he's he's got to lose, and are
we going to actually feel like at the end of
this show, end of this season that we got anywhere if.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We can't actually and that was stakes.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There were steaks up next Tallamasca the Secret Order, which
is adapted from and Rice's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She's still still going.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
She's still going, you know, another one of my high
school loves.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And right, yeah, me too, man, And I feel like, again,
it's kind of funny. There's a weird I guess, the
kind of thematic conversation throughout these about nostalgia and stuff,
because yeah, definitely the case as well. For me, this
is also very funny to me because the Talamasca are
a key paw of the much believed now whole movie
(08:01):
Queen of the Damned, which I recently went to go
and watch at the movie theaters at Guardina Cinema, and
it was great because they were like Tullamascar Tullamasca librarians.
Now it looks like the version that we are gonna
get with the Talamasca here is a more modernized, less archivist,
more spy. They have funnily.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Very very secret society.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Very secret society, spy coded. It's gonna be set in London.
It's only six episodes and it's the idea is that
this is the connecting tissue between all the immortal universe
stuff I will say, which is of Mayfair did not
really hit in the way they wanted it to interview
the vampire and never been bigger. Season three is gonna
(08:47):
be huge. So this is a six episode holdover series basically,
But they did draw from a lot of stuff we
love Jason, like lots of John Leacarry and the spy
who came in from the cold nods here. The Talamasca
here is less like an archivist librarian, supernatural kind of
observatory space, which is what they are in the books
(09:08):
like they're supposed to just observe. Here, they are more
active in the supernatural world and have shady agendas. And
the one thing that I know me and Joel are
very excited for as Interview the Vampire Lovers they did.
We do get Eric Bogosian here playing Daniel from Interview
the Vampire, so there will be crossover. It is interesting
(09:30):
to me because we have seen Justin Kirk playing Raglin James,
who I assumed would be the leader of the Talamasca
TV show, but they just cast like a random new
young white guy. I get it. Sometimes you've got to
do that. So this guy, he's his names in this show,
his names Guyntona and Totally, and he'll be played by
Nicholas Denton and he's basically gonna be our in character
(09:52):
to the Talamasca. So six six issues, six episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
As a as an interview with a vampire lover, as
an Ann Riis Lover, as a Queen of the Damned,
lover rest and peace A Lea. What is your level
of excitement for Tallamasca the Secret Order.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was relatively low until I saw that Eric Bogosian
would be in it. As Daniel Malloy, He's such a
standout of the Interview Vampire show. It has given him
this kind of second wind in his career. He loves
to be a part of this gay, you know, sexy
horror universe. And something that I only learned today is
(10:32):
that Jason Schwartzman is gonna be in the show as
a vampire and he's like hiding away in a cloistered,
luxurious Upper West Side penthouse. So I'm like that to
me sounds like I need to watch that show. Like,
I don't know if I love the Cia m I
five of it all, but I love Jason Swatschman, I
love Eric Bogosian, I love the Interview the Vampire series,
(10:54):
so I'm gonna give it a try. I also love
this notion that they are gonna be developing a series
called Night Island, which is basically a resort for vampires
that they introduced in Queena the Damned. So I like
that they're kind of just pushing this wider. And I
do feel like Season three into the Vampire, which will
now be called The Vampire List stat and will be
(11:15):
following Lestat's kind of music career. I think that could
be a huge breakout hit for them because of the
way that people are excited for it, So it makes
sense to build this world out. I'll check it out
for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I will check it out as well. Let me ask
you this, because the first thing I thought when seeing
this from I really like the kind of spy angle
I'll see, we'll see if it works, was that I
feel like we're I feel like someone who's good at
pitching could pitch this exact sort of like spy framing
for a Highlander A return. Oh please, Jason Highlander.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Dude, guy, I gotta say, if you are listening to
this podcast, watch out, because Jason's been letting all the
good ideas out of his pocket. So I'm saying give
him a call.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Dude, Highlander in a it's like a spy secret society.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that would be really sick and like you could
have it where, you know, you get those great moments
where they'll kind of be going through all the paintings
and they'll be like, but wait, he's in, He's that
can be only one Highlander agent, guys. Okay, up next.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The mighty nine adaptation and well not even an updation,
a retelling a world expansion of critical roles, many many, many,
many episodes with various archetypical characters from inside.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The D and D world.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
The Mighty nine will basically take some of these storylines
and retell them in an animated form, and of course,
all your favorite critical role people will be involved in this.
This looks really fun and I think it'll be Yeah,
I think it's it'll be something really accessible for folks
who are like, oh my god, how much critical role
do I have, like listen back to in order to
(13:01):
like figure out where we are with critical role?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So many people I know got into D and D
because of vox Markina, the first adaptation these guys did.
And I have to say, if you're an Invincible lover
and you just can't wait for more gorgeously animated Invincible,
watch box Markinner. The animation here is just a whole
different level. And I spoke to the guys who made
wox Mak another guys. I spoke to Kirkman who made
(13:25):
Invincible a couple of years ago for a big animation
piece at IGN, and all they were kept saying was
just anime, anime, anime. None of this stuff would be
happening without the success of anime. This is adult animation.
These are people are fucking and drinking and getting their
heads chopped off, but it's beautifully animated. It's in this
completely cool, fantastical world, and yeah, you'll get your kind
(13:49):
of half awc warlocks and goblin rogues and it's gonna
be really interesting. It is adapting loosely campaign to if
you are a big critical role fan, but I would
just say, this is so such a great show to
just show someone who's been getting into your arcane or
your att animation. Volksmakina truly blew me away when I
saw it. I didn't really realize people were making animation
(14:11):
that looked like that kind of classic hand jowin animation,
but in this really beautiful, brutal style. Yeah, I'm excited.
And apparently critic Cal is gonna be making a video
game too, so I think we'll be there. Empire Plus
to Grow, It's gonna keep growing up. Next.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not a lot in this teaser trailer. Plorabis on Apple
TV Plus, but the creative team unstoppable. It's it's you
have to lean forward. If you're a fan of television.
Ploribis is the new series sci fi series, apparently from
Vince Gilligan. It reunites Vince with Rhea see Horn, of course,
(14:53):
Kim Wexler in the incredible, excellent and heartbreaking Better Call Saul.
You don't get a lot from the teaser. You just
kind of see someone licking donuts. But yeah, it's spooky
enough and it's Vince Gilligain, so I'll be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I can't wait. I also think the fact this is
on Apple TV plus means we know, like that is
where Severance came from, that is where Foundation came from.
This is coming the home for weird sci fi. Who
wouldn't want a sci fi show from the guy who
made Breaking Bad, who made Better of Course? And I mean,
I don't know if this is a spicy take anymore.
I feel like I'm like ten years out of the conversation.
(15:31):
But also like I think Better Course Soul is a
better show than Breaking Bad. Like I love that. I know, crazy, spicy,
hot takes. I think it's for different I think different
people like different things. But my point is we were
just talking about, you know, Tallamasca, these places that struggle
to get these shows that hits and spin stuff off.
Vince didn't have that problem. Vince made Breaking Bad, then
(15:53):
went in a completely different direction and made one of
the most heart wrenching, incredible drama shows we've ever seen
with Back Saw. That was also hilarious. I love the
notion that he's now going into genre, and I think
this is an interesting point. This is what he said,
after fifteen years of anti heroes, I figured it would
be time to write something about somebody trying to be good. Now.
(16:14):
I think this is something we are starting to see more.
This is James Gunn talking about why Superman has to
be good, why he doesn't mind being Pollyanna. We're so
obsessed with these dark, gritty anti heroes. I'm very excited
to see a show about this. And essentially they the
(16:35):
pitch is so intriguing, like this is the kind of
shit where you're getting a meeting. If you're Vince and
you pitch this, you're getting a meeting anyway because you're vinced.
But because this is what they say, this is all
we know about the show. Seahorn plays Carol, the most
miserable person on earth who must save the world from happiness,
and the tagline is happiness is Infectious. So I'm just like,
(16:58):
I don't know what's going on, but I want to
watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Same here, and let's just take a quick moment. We
mentioned it at the beginning of this little segment for
this show, Apple TV plus really is betting heavily on
sci fi foundation you mentioned Severn's of course Silo j
C for all that kind monarch legacy of months Jo
(17:26):
season Dark Matter. Like there, it's they are betting heavily
on sci fi. Some of it has hit obviously much
harder than others, but all very interesting swings.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
At Murder Bond, I forgot to say, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
My God, which by the way ended up being like
a sleep a hit for them, which did kind of
predict and we all getting a season two. I think
you make a great point, Apple plus, Apple TV plus
ever since the opening, I mean I went to the
first step visit Apple Ever did and it was formed
all Mankind and that still stands as one of the
best sci fi shows that we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And the loss at that absolute sleeper show.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, Like, I love that they're investing in this stuff,
and I can't wait A love re A Seahorn and
I can't wait to see where this goes. It sounds
like the exact kind of weird kind of Zero's British TV,
like Utopia or something where you never see what's coming
and then once it hits you're just obsessed.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Efforts and we're back, folks. The kids are now thirty
(18:42):
five thirty children have children in real life. Yes, of
course we're talking about season five, the final season of
Stranger Things and the final season of content by the
Duffer brothers at the Home where they broke big Netflix folks.
(19:03):
Whoof I wonder now how excited people really will be.
It's been a long it's been. It feels like it's
been a long time since season four.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's been nine years since season one too, So like,
that's not crazy, that's crazy. This is I think also representative,
ironically of the impact of Stranger Things in many ways,
because Stranger Things was Netflix's big global smash post the
prestige arrival of House of Cards, and this was a
(19:34):
cultural phenomenon and it established what people then wanted from streaming.
It also set up the binge model as the way
to watch a new show. But with all of that said,
we also ended up in this situation with these huge
gaps in between seasons, and as the shows became bigger
than the kids went out to do other stuff, and
(19:54):
suddenly you end up in a situation where you can't
get them all back or and so we've ended up
in a situation where Stranger Things is essentially like a
microcosm for a lot of the complaints people have about streaming.
And it's been five years since Stranger Things Season four air,
which is crazy, Jason, because we caught up on the
Xtra vision with the final episodes of that season four
(20:16):
years ago, like just when it was ending. So yeah,
just absolutely crazy to me. Uh, the final season is
gonna be split. First four episodes are gonna premier a Thanksgiving,
the next three at Christmas, and the finale on December thirty.
First there, they're really milking it. And they've also been
talking about how these will be, you know, the classic
(20:39):
another microcosm of streaming drama. Some of these are gonna
be movie length TV episodes, like a movie. Guys, it's
gonna be a movie on TV. But yeah, it's gonna
be interesting. I think all this is what we know
about it. Last season, they got a new villain in
Vecna and this season they're basically gonna be hunting for
Vecna and and this is going to be a more
(21:01):
actively supernatural season. And it is interesting because the Dupper Bros.
Came from Netflix. It's huge smash hit, like life changing,
so much money, so much fame. But recently it was announced,
as you said, they're moving to Paramount Huge, which I
think is a huge, huge deal. So yeah, I'm intrigued.
(21:26):
I don't really know what is to come. I think
the biggest conversation that I have seen among my friends,
among our Discord users, among people who do still have
passion for this show, hilariously, is mostly around Eddie Munson
and how they hope he comes back this season. So
let's see if they've got that. Joseph Quinn in the
MCU money, Jason, do you have any feelings about the
(21:48):
final season? What do you want? What would make this
an unmissible show for you as we head into the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I it's a real like a real climax to the
very winding story that ties in all the disparate kind
of like personal elements from the real world and the
supernatural elements and the upside down and then answers some
of the mysterious questions. That would be really cool. I'm
(22:15):
also interested more than that, though, I'm interested to see
what the reaction is. You mentioned how long it's been.
I mean the volume season four, Volume one premiere May
twenty seven, twenty two, Crazy and nine years is a
is a immense period of time in pop culture. Do
(22:37):
people still have the same sort of excitement and feeling
for stranger things that they did three years ago or
nine years ago. I'll be really fascinated to see that.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Because also the gap between seasons is very different. It's
not like Game of Thrones, right where every year we
got a new season, so the cultural conversation keeps flowing
over the eight years. This is a very much an
EBB and a flow that's often the kind of non
binge mode drops anymore, where you kind of just like
suddenly are in a situation where you have to watch
(23:08):
one section, then you're waiting for another section, then you're
waiting for another section. Also, something very interesting about this
that I think hints at how popular Netflix knows this is,
and they must be getting the views. They are actually
not exclusively at paramount. They are still going to be
making two new seasons, The Burrows and something very Bad
is gonna happen, which sounds very image comics to me,
(23:31):
so yeah, I'm interested. There's also going to be a
Stranger Things Tales from eighty five animated series, so yeah,
it will be intriguing to see where this goes. Could
be the biggest show of the year, could just kind
of fall off, But I think the Christmas the holiday
release schedules very clever because people are gonna want to
talk about it, they're gonna want to see it, and
obviously we will be catching you up in some very
(23:53):
new fun xtra vision style formats leading into the show
and making sure that you have a ton of stuff
to watch around it if you are very inspired by
the nostalgia rob it All when it hits later this year.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Next up, Percy Jackson season two will premiere December tenth.
This is, of course, based on the second installment of
the acclaimed Ya series by Rick Reardan. Riridon is also
writing the show for television. The same super fun cast
(24:31):
from season one, including a Friend of the Pajas and
Manzuk Dias.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's such good, costing, lightly great, and we're going to
also have Courtney b Vance is actually coming in to
take over the role of Zeus because Laence Reddick passed out.
Kristin Shawl, Sandra Bernard and Margaret Chow are going to
be there as the Gray Sisters. I think, if you
are a fan we just said this, you know Stranger Things, right,
that's a show about kids coming together having these adventures.
(25:00):
This is such an underrated show. Rick Riordon got to
finally have the kind of more creative influence he'd always
wanted over this. The cast are incredible. It's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
If you are someone it looks great, it looks really good.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's no question is one of the best Disney Plus shows.
I would put that alongside all Marvel shows. It's so
high quality. It's so much fun. If you love the books,
you will love it. I also think something that's really
exciting about this that people don't quite comprehend is Brick Riddan. Yeah,
he built out this universe and it's incredible and I
love the Percy Jackson universe. But he has also been
(25:37):
bringing in other authors to expand out different mythologies, different laws,
different characters. I think there's so much space here to
play around in and so much chance for the characters
to mature and grow. I would say, look, if you're
somebody who has fallen out of love with a certain
(25:57):
magical school and its author, then this out this gives
you that nostalgic, fun, adventurous space. And if you are
a millennial, then it also will get you very excited
because didn't we all have like a Greek gods and
mid like, didn't you have that phase? I loved my
Greek mythology, and I found.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I used to just read the Encyclopedia like chapters on
exactly and be like, Oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
This has that excitement and it has that level of
law in it where if you were into that stuff
as a kid, you get to be excited, catch the
easter eggs, enjoy it, and like we said, incredible cost.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So I had part of that cast is Lynn Manuel
Miranda as Hermes. I wanted to why they should have
got lind to have a different haircut.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh, my god, seems.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Because he himself it's like can we get this, yes,
long hair or something.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
This was actually this was also a problem in his
doc materials. Yes not the show, which you should watch
on HBO. It's so good. So I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I can't Lynn ever have different haircuts and the different
roles he played literally just like Alexander Hamilton and Everty Row.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now, come on, guys, give him awake, give him awake.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Something, give us something. Shame it down, grow it out,
do something. Fellas all right. Fallout Season two comes out
December seventeenth, twenty twenty five, and of course this is
bringing in the much loved DLC New Vegas bringing it
to the screen. Uh, we have some new cast members,
(27:43):
including Justin throw Oolang I am listen. We loved season one,
loved it was one of the for me, the surprises
of the calendar you're on TV. I was I don't
know exactly what I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We were blown away by it. We just didn't understand
the level of care and detail that went into this show.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't know what I was expecting, but I think,
you know, having had you know, being in La and
talking to people who are like in the orbit around
season one, it seemed like it was a little bit
of a mess and nobody was quite sure if it
was gonna work. And of course, you know, Jonathan Nolan
famously you know, had a divisive we'll say divisive show
(28:30):
in Westworld that I think came in with a lot
of ambitions and didn't necessarily deliver on any of them,
and so I was I was. I came in with
very low expectations for Fallout season one and was floored.
So I'm so excited for season two, especially because if
you're a fan of the Fallout video games series as
(28:51):
I am, New Vegas has a special place.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's the peak. Like for me, that was the first one.
One of my best friends that bring her up on
airon law is in London, my best the Alex, and
she is the big Triple A gamer out of us,
and I'd seen her play Fallout, but New Vegas was
the first one that we played together, and that felt
like it was like you had to know about it,
you had to see the world. I was also lucky
(29:14):
enough to go to both fall Out houses, one at
Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando and one at Halloween Horror
Nights in La. The La fall Out House is much
scarier if you're planning on going this year. And I
will say that at the end, they do tease a
cool new creature that people will know from the games too,
(29:35):
so they are They did some really fun synergy there
to tease what was coming in season two, but also
give people the experience of going through the vault breaking out,
and of course the Ghoul, which you know the Ghool.
Girlies love him. And I will say, guys, if you
want to see a sexy gal, you got to go
to Orlando. They got a full prosthetic sexy gol La
(29:56):
just has masks. But yes, I'm very interested. Think it
looks great. I think that what we what they tease
at the end of season two, put your earmuffs on
if you do not want to know a spoiler for
season two and the fallout Halloween Horonites Maze. They do
tease the death Claw, which is like a really beloved,
(30:19):
kind of cool, predatory, scary, scary, big horned beast. Jason. Yeah,
as a fallout New Vegas lover, what would you like
to see make it to the screen unchanged? Like, what
is the moment that you would like to see or
the vibe you would like to feel from a New
(30:40):
Vegas season. I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's interesting because thinking about what made season one work,
it's not that things were quote unquote unchanged, It's that
the basic kind of texture and feel. The wackiness of
the games. No one tried to make it cool, you
know what I mean. They didn't try to be like,
oh this is too weird or too discordant or no.
(31:05):
They were just like, just make drug elements don't work
or the you know, the kind of like over the
top fifties elements don't work. And so I guess basically
what I'm hoping is the kind of punk rock, radioactive
biker gang ethos like yeah, kind of like super weird
(31:26):
monster feel, the kind of like desert wasteland grease it
meets grease kind of feel of New Vegas is just there.
I don't mind that they change certain things or then
certain hideouts or certain characters look perhaps different than they
may have looked in the in the in the game
(31:46):
stuff is like five years old.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
It's just that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Does the do they stay authentic to the texture and
the feel of the story of the game itself, which
they did so effectively in season one? And I have
hopes for season two. Let's take a quick break and
won't be right back at d and we're back with
(32:21):
our final two shows. We actually don't have a release
date yet, we just know twenty twenty six. But there
are things we're super excited for, and the first up
is one that we have been theorizing about a lot
in our connotations. Laker Truly Right and His Lanterns, the
upcoming HBO Max series that will introduce Hal Jordan and
John Stewart, John Stewart, the the Green Lantern to James
(32:46):
Gunns new DC Universe. I know people, by the way,
who were who were confused about the John Stewart John
Stuart like who who are not aware that there is
a Green Lantern character named John Stewart.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
There are many many a Green Lantern's, and yes, that
one is named John Stewart, and it's very funny and
we've all laughed about it for many years since he
was first introduced. Yes, but Jason Post that crazy episode
of you know, well, let's just talk peace Maker Season
two has been a smash it, doing some really interesting stuff,
(33:20):
doing some really subversive stuff. Do we feel like Lantern's
is going to be able to continue that while branching
out into what seems like a more obviously kind of prestige,
serious thriller style TV show.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well, I have much higher hopes now than I did before.
Peacemaker season two. I think what this season of Peacemaker
has shown is that James Gunn has a knack for
weaving together the disparate parts of his DCEU really interesting ways.
(33:58):
The connective tissue is fascinating, and judging by Peacemaker season two,
I would expect that there are going to be very
definite things that happen in Peacemakers that then go on
to affect other movies and shows in different ways. And
I'm now super excited because I think I'm having such
(34:18):
a fun time with Peacemaker season two, And of course
I loved Creature Commandos, and I think Superman was amazing. Yeah,
and so I think James Gunn is on a high
right now. He's killing it, super excited for this.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
What did we you think? What do you so? Yeah?
I'm always a bit scared when something is like pitched
as like a True Detective, even though we all know
season one True Detective fucking incredible, like unbelievable vibes, I
still don't necessarily feel like it stuck the landing. But
I think that's also kind of the point of the
first season. It's very much about like transience and and
(34:50):
how we interact with people and obviously incredible costing their
unintentionally of two half brothers apparently too with the you know,
Boody Harrison and Matthew mcconaugh. Unbelievable first season, but very
hard to keep up with the hype of being compared
to that are the seasons have struggled with that. But
I will say I think that with everything we've seen
(35:13):
in James Gunns DCU, we know that he trusts other
people and trusts his collaborators to do interesting, different stuff.
And they literally hired the showrunner Chris Mundy, who worked
on Ozark and True Detective, so at least you're going
to the right people like yeah, And what Chris Mundy
(35:33):
told Vanity Fair recently was he doesn't feel like Green
Lantern is part of a larger storytelling plan, and he
felt season one is designed to be its own complete
season of television that hopefully will become many seasons of TV.
But we know that that doesn't mean that there's not
going to be crossover. We know that Guy Gardiner will
be in the show. We know that we will likely
(35:55):
see the Lanterns coming into the end of Peacemaker season one. Also,
season two. Also interesting here, Deadline basically reported that there's
not gonna be a season three of Peacemaker, So this
is what James S. Gunn told them. He said, you're
gonna find out more about it in episode eight because
it's not necessarily that some of these characters will continue.
(36:17):
But also it's not exactly Peacemaker season three. I'm not
ruling it out. You'll see an episode eight and maybe
you'll find out a little bit more us so that
I think could also potentially they will end up in
Earth X, where, by the way, we were right, James
Gunn said he's calling it Earth two because it's the
second Earth we've seen, but to him it is Earth X.
So I think we could see that Eleventh Street kids
(36:40):
stuck there or in a different universe or something, and
maybe that's why we don't necessarily get the season three
we get. But I'm very excited to see where this
is gonna go, especially because James Gunn's other kind of
more serious spinoff that he was planning was gonna be
the Amanda Wallace spinoff focused on Viola Davis's suicide squad Bobs,
(37:00):
and that has been a slowgo on development. I don't
doubt people have great ideas for it. But Viola Davis
is Viola Davis, so you've gotta be bringing her the
big money if she's running a show like that and
is the star, So I think that's probably why. But yeah,
I mean Jason Ritter, I think one of the most
underrated actors. He's in there as Billy McConn. We're gonna
(37:22):
have Kelly McDonald as Terry, who's also gonna be How's
love interest, Nicole Ari Parker as a character called Bernadette.
We are also going to have a new on screen
Sinestro played by Olric Thompson, and he's going to be
a rogue former member of the Green Lantern Corps, which
I think is interesting that they are not posing him
(37:43):
as directly the antagonist. Maybe this is going to be
part of the bigger threat that we get that will
see Superman and Lex have to team up in twenty
twenty seven for Man of Tomorrow, and this is very interesting.
They say that we'll have Garrett Dillahunt, who was on
Father Walking Dead, as William con a right self righteous,
conspiracy minded man who masks his ruthless ambition behind a
(38:05):
charming and calculated.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Facons like our sounds like our big bad like.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Our big bad guys. And also again I couldn't be
more excited post Peacemaker episode six, James gunn gets my
belief and trust. Now, if you write someone's gonna make
a show about conspiracy theorist or blah blah blah, I said, Oh,
is this gonna be the right thing? Do they have
(38:31):
the juice? Can they tell a story that feels important
and relevant in twenty twenty five? James Gun's just proved
he can do that with Peacemaker season two, So I'm
excited for this one. Jason. I think it could also
be a big crossover hit with the true prestige TV
crowd if it really does bring that level of true
detective quality and kind of gravitas.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Up next, and finally, Star Trek Starfleet Academy. You mentioned
like if you're a little sick of the particular magic school,
and this was one of This is one of those
projects where I'm like, what took so long? This is
a great idea.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I literally pitched no joke. I mean, I think I
can say this, but I mean I pitched a comic
with this exact title, like many years ago, and that
is not like they did not take that idea. Stuff
Late Academy exists, but I feel like it is when
you love Star Trek and you love this kind of thing,
you gotta wonder. You're like, why didn't this so long?
How was this not something paramount made in the CW era.
(39:30):
Why wasn't this something they made as a competitor to
the Arrow Verse? I don't know, but you know what,
good news. Speaking of the CW, this shot in Toronto,
So you're back in that Canadian TV making space, which
often hints that maybe you're going to be doing more
than one season. If you get to make a first
season in Canada, you might be set up there for
a while. So they recently wrapped. No premiere date, but
(39:52):
there is a ten episode first season. Very exciting, also
not ending up like the Michelle Yo series that got
kind of truncated into a movie due to production and
was not necessarily beloved. They also say that it's already
renewed for season two. Wow, So I am very excited
(40:12):
about this. This is gonna be a very interesting time
in Star Trek canon too, because it's gonna be set
in the thirty second century and it will follow the
first new class of Starfleet cadets in over a century
as they come of age and train to be officers.
I'm in you already got me?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Guys, Ye got me? The trailer looks very slick. It
looks like a million zillion bucks. Yeah, and again the
idea is kind of what took so long?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's literally, you guys have been sitting on money, like
this is money. You could have had a kids show,
a ya show. Yeah, but they know and I will say,
whoever the casting person for this is understands that this
could be a long running show because you've got Holly
Hunter oscar Winner love Her, you got Paul Giamatti Austin
on the Knee, you got Robert Picado from Voyager the Doctor,
(41:07):
So you're getting some star trek Cannon. There also Tignataro,
one of the most popular characters from Discovery, will be
coming back as Jet. And then we're gonna have Tatiana
maslani Or from Black and Cha Hulk. When will she
finally get her emmy? Guys, maybe this will be the show.
WWE superstar Becky Lynch. I guess she's trying to make
that crossover. And Mary Wiseman who's also from Discovery, who
(41:33):
will play Sylvia. It's gonna be really interesting. Also Jonathan
Frakes Riiker, who he's directed a lot of recent Star
Trek and Classic Star Trek. He was at Indianapolis Comic
Com recently and said this is the most massive set
of any Star Trek ever. There is also a spaceship
(41:54):
on the show, which I think, well, I hope that's
not our blip secret. I have been known and I've
had a bad experience with oversharing, he says, I hope
that wasn't an overshare. But it's fabulous. The sets of great,
The scripts are they're funny, which is always helpful on
Star Trek, and that hints that while this is called
Starfleet Academy, we can assume that like every other season
(42:15):
of Star Trek, there will be a new ship and
a new crew. And I am a fan of modern
Star Trek. I think they've done some really interesting stuff.
But yeah, Jason, again, I mean this is like, I
feel like this is printing money if you get it right.
And I feel like twenty twenty six and in the
wake of HBO trying to adapt The Magic School Show
(42:37):
again and everything, I feel like there is a prime
place for another kid centric show. And again going back
to Stranger Things, this is what has been the meat
and potatoes of streaming services. Are these big ya hits,
shadow and bone stranger things. These things have been at
the heart of what makes streaming successful and even shows
(43:00):
like Squid Game or Money Heist that are not necessarily
in that space are still playing to that young audience.
So I think if they got it right, this could
be Paramount's most successful new star Trek.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I completely agree if they get it right.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
If they get it right, well, lots of TV to.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Look forward to. On the next episodes of X ray Vision,
we're diving into the staying power of K pop Demon
Hunters plus Aaron interviews Jenner Andrews and Stephen Kirk, the
writing team behind Free and this.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is what it sounds like, this is why it sounds
like my favorite song of this movie.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, bye. X
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Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
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Speaker 1 (43:54):
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Speaker 2 (43:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Week Class Nips. In today's episode, we are going to
be discussing the new series that we'll be hitting before
the end of the twenty five Twenty twenty five is
almost over, guys. Winter is coming and we will be
talking about it. Welcome to Derry and a very new
secretive sci fi series from Breaking Back creator Vince Gilligan,
(00:48):
which I'm very impressed and excited for. Then we will
be looking at returning series that we'll be hitting at
the end of this year and early next year. How
about Stranger Things? Ever heard of it? Ever heard of it?
We don't talk about it? And then we'll have a
little look see at what's coming out a beginning of
twenty twenty six. We got some lanterns Startley Academy. It's
(01:11):
gonna be fun. There's a lot of TV coming out
and it's almost October, guys, so winter is truly here.
Start to hear the jingling of Santa's Bells.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
But first, Stephen King's empire extends across Dairy First show
to be aware of It's premiere in October twenty sixth
on HBO and HBO Max is It Welcome to Dry
not to be confused with Dairy Girls.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I Love Dary.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Welcome to Darry, which I believe is a documentary about
the troubles in Northern Ireland. No, this is completely This
is an expansion and an exploration of the universe, the
Stephen Key eight universe from her October twenty sixth, just
in time for Spooky Season, Andy Muschetti turns to direct.
Bill Scarsgard. Is still that spooky tooth Pennywise clown.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know they got him back. I think really having
Bill and this is the most important thing. Yeah, he's
become so iconic as this modern version of Pennywise, and
also the memfication and all the great behind the scenes
stuff of him kind of playing with the kids in costume.
Everyone wants to see him come back. That's probably the
biggest straw. And yeah, this is gonna be interesting. The
(02:34):
trailer definitely hints at a bleak, dark mystery and it's
gonna be about the history of Derry. So this is actually,
I believe, either the parents or the grandparents of the
kids from the most recent remake.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. And also something that was really interesting about the
trailer that I did not realize is much like Castle
Rock before it or the Beliguered Dark Tower adaptation, this
will be set in Stephen King's Connected universe. So we
see a bus that is bound for the Shaw Shanks
State Penitentiary. We see Dick calleran from The Shining who
(03:15):
is actually a major character within this series, it seems,
played by Chris Chalk, So it's definitely gonna be really
interesting to see how they cross that stuff over. It
makes sense to me. These movies until recently were the
biggest horror opening of all time, I believe, So I
think I get it. I didn't love the remakes. I
(03:36):
think they leaned a little bit too heavy into like
the kind of like everybody's saying a slur because it's
the eighties, and you were like, does this tell me
anything about this? But the show looks great. I also
love the cast. Jove Anna Deeppo, who was well reased
in Watchmen. He's also in Overlord, incredible movie. Taylor Page,
who's so good in Zola. Also was recently in the
(03:58):
you know, very very old school style, low budget remake
of Toxic a Benja. So yeah, I think this is
going to be interesting. Jason, as a reader, as a
Stephen King lover, what would you like to see them
do in this show that is different than what we've
seen before with other adaptations.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Great question, Well, I guess I would like to see
if they finally are able to crack the code on
a Stephen King kind of interconnected univers You mentioned Castle Rock,
which is fun for a little while, but it didn't
hit did the way they would it, and kind of
seemed like it shaved the weirder edges off of King
(04:37):
stuff in a way that didn't make it so engaging.
So I'll be interested to see if if this works,
if you can create an interconnected Stephen King universe, because
then it gets really interesting. I'll also just say, you
know it, I read it when I was maybe thirteen
or fourteen, I forget when, and I and in retrospect,
(05:00):
Stephen has been quite open about how he was kind
of like in the depths of his alcoholism and drug
addiction at that time, like drinking twelve beers a day
while writing this book, and it definitely shows.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And it is not my favorite Stephen King book, and
it's kind of all over the place and it's quite
It's interesting to me that it has become this worldwide
smash because it is kind of other than the Clown.
The story itself was kind of like just all over
(05:39):
the map and water, very weird, very depressing. You know,
there's a child gang bang in it. It's exactly that
weird glad. But you know, I will say finally.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Because I think it's interesting to touch on this. It's
interesting with starting here because it remakes that machete he
made that became this huge success, were so heavily influenced
by Stranger Things and the success of Stranger Things. And
now we're in a space where HBO is going to
be in a world where obviously Stranger Things derivative of
(06:12):
it and all those other eighties Stephen King vibes. But
if the show had not been so popular, you have
Stranger Things cast members who ended up in that as
So it's going to can HBO now transition that into
a post Stranger Things smash hit that expands the world
and becomes like a new you know, standout season for them.
(06:34):
I'd be interested to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Here's my one my one other thing too, what are
the difficulties in making a show in which the nemesis
who must be defeated is also the kind of the star.
And I think we've seen how difficult that can be
with the boys now maybe lung onto this too long,
(07:00):
And so I'll be interested to see, like just just
how much penny Wise is actually in this because again
I think penny Wise is kind of the star of it,
but also like he's he's got to lose, and are
we going to actually feel like at the end of
this show, end of this season that we got anywhere if.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
We can't actually and that was stakes.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There were steaks up next Tallamasca the Secret Order, which
is adapted from and Rice's.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She's still still going.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
She's still going, you know, another one of my high
school loves.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And right, yeah, me too, man, And I feel like, again,
it's kind of funny. There's a weird I guess, the
kind of thematic conversation throughout these about nostalgia and stuff,
because yeah, definitely the case as well. For me, this
is also very funny to me because the Talamasca are
a key paw of the much believed now whole movie
(08:01):
Queen of the Damned, which I recently went to go
and watch at the movie theaters at Guardina Cinema, and
it was great because they were like Tullamascar Tullamasca librarians.
Now it looks like the version that we are gonna
get with the Talamasca here is a more modernized, less archivist,
more spy. They have funnily.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Very very secret society.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Very secret society, spy coded. It's gonna be set in London.
It's only six episodes and it's the idea is that
this is the connecting tissue between all the immortal universe
stuff I will say, which is of Mayfair did not
really hit in the way they wanted it to interview
the vampire and never been bigger. Season three is gonna
(08:47):
be huge. So this is a six episode holdover series basically,
But they did draw from a lot of stuff we
love Jason, like lots of John Leacarry and the spy
who came in from the cold nods here. The Talamasca
here is less like an archivist librarian, supernatural kind of
observatory space, which is what they are in the books
(09:08):
like they're supposed to just observe. Here, they are more
active in the supernatural world and have shady agendas. And
the one thing that I know me and Joel are
very excited for as Interview the Vampire Lovers they did.
We do get Eric Bogosian here playing Daniel from Interview
the Vampire, so there will be crossover. It is interesting
(09:30):
to me because we have seen Justin Kirk playing Raglin James,
who I assumed would be the leader of the Talamasca
TV show, but they just cast like a random new
young white guy. I get it. Sometimes you've got to
do that. So this guy, he's his names in this show,
his names Guyntona and Totally, and he'll be played by
Nicholas Denton and he's basically gonna be our in character
(09:52):
to the Talamasca. So six six issues, six episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
As a as an interview with a vampire lover, as
an Ann Riis Lover, as a Queen of the Damned,
lover rest and peace A Lea. What is your level
of excitement for Tallamasca the Secret Order.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was relatively low until I saw that Eric Bogosian
would be in it. As Daniel Malloy, He's such a
standout of the Interview Vampire show. It has given him
this kind of second wind in his career. He loves
to be a part of this gay, you know, sexy
horror universe. And something that I only learned today is
(10:32):
that Jason Schwartzman is gonna be in the show as
a vampire and he's like hiding away in a cloistered,
luxurious Upper West Side penthouse. So I'm like that to
me sounds like I need to watch that show. Like,
I don't know if I love the Cia m I
five of it all, but I love Jason Swatschman, I
love Eric Bogosian, I love the Interview the Vampire series,
(10:54):
so I'm gonna give it a try. I also love
this notion that they are gonna be developing a series
called Night Island, which is basically a resort for vampires
that they introduced in Queena the Damned. So I like
that they're kind of just pushing this wider. And I
do feel like Season three into the Vampire, which will
now be called The Vampire List stat and will be
(11:15):
following Lestat's kind of music career. I think that could
be a huge breakout hit for them because of the
way that people are excited for it, So it makes
sense to build this world out. I'll check it out
for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I will check it out as well. Let me ask
you this, because the first thing I thought when seeing
this from I really like the kind of spy angle
I'll see, we'll see if it works, was that I
feel like we're I feel like someone who's good at
pitching could pitch this exact sort of like spy framing
for a Highlander A return. Oh please, Jason Highlander.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Dude, guy, I gotta say, if you are listening to
this podcast, watch out, because Jason's been letting all the
good ideas out of his pocket. So I'm saying give
him a call.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Dude, Highlander in a it's like a spy secret society.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that would be really sick and like you could
have it where, you know, you get those great moments
where they'll kind of be going through all the paintings
and they'll be like, but wait, he's in, He's that
can be only one Highlander agent, guys. Okay, up next.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
The mighty nine adaptation and well not even an updation,
a retelling a world expansion of critical roles, many many, many,
many episodes with various archetypical characters from inside.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
The D and D world.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
The Mighty nine will basically take some of these storylines
and retell them in an animated form, and of course,
all your favorite critical role people will be involved in this.
This looks really fun and I think it'll be Yeah,
I think it's it'll be something really accessible for folks
who are like, oh my god, how much critical role
do I have, like listen back to in order to
(13:01):
like figure out where we are with critical role?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So many people I know got into D and D
because of vox Markina, the first adaptation these guys did.
And I have to say, if you're an Invincible lover
and you just can't wait for more gorgeously animated Invincible,
watch box Markinner. The animation here is just a whole
different level. And I spoke to the guys who made
wox Mak another guys. I spoke to Kirkman who made
(13:25):
Invincible a couple of years ago for a big animation
piece at IGN, and all they were kept saying was
just anime, anime, anime. None of this stuff would be
happening without the success of anime. This is adult animation.
These are people are fucking and drinking and getting their
heads chopped off, but it's beautifully animated. It's in this
completely cool, fantastical world, and yeah, you'll get your kind
(13:49):
of half awc warlocks and goblin rogues and it's gonna
be really interesting. It is adapting loosely campaign to if
you are a big critical role fan, but I would
just say, this is so such a great show to
just show someone who's been getting into your arcane or
your att animation. Volksmakina truly blew me away when I
saw it. I didn't really realize people were making animation
(14:11):
that looked like that kind of classic hand jowin animation,
but in this really beautiful, brutal style. Yeah, I'm excited.
And apparently critic Cal is gonna be making a video
game too, so I think we'll be there. Empire Plus
to Grow, It's gonna keep growing up. Next.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Not a lot in this teaser trailer. Plorabis on Apple
TV Plus, but the creative team unstoppable. It's it's you
have to lean forward. If you're a fan of television.
Ploribis is the new series sci fi series, apparently from
Vince Gilligan. It reunites Vince with Rhea see Horn, of course,
(14:53):
Kim Wexler in the incredible, excellent and heartbreaking Better Call Saul.
You don't get a lot from the teaser. You just
kind of see someone licking donuts. But yeah, it's spooky
enough and it's Vince Gilligain, so I'll be there for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I can't wait. I also think the fact this is
on Apple TV plus means we know, like that is
where Severance came from, that is where Foundation came from.
This is coming the home for weird sci fi. Who
wouldn't want a sci fi show from the guy who
made Breaking Bad, who made Better of Course? And I mean,
I don't know if this is a spicy take anymore.
I feel like I'm like ten years out of the conversation.
(15:31):
But also like I think Better Course Soul is a
better show than Breaking Bad. Like I love that. I know, crazy, spicy,
hot takes. I think it's for different I think different
people like different things. But my point is we were
just talking about, you know, Tallamasca, these places that struggle
to get these shows that hits and spin stuff off.
Vince didn't have that problem. Vince made Breaking Bad, then
(15:53):
went in a completely different direction and made one of
the most heart wrenching, incredible drama shows we've ever seen
with Back Saw. That was also hilarious. I love the
notion that he's now going into genre, and I think
this is an interesting point. This is what he said,
after fifteen years of anti heroes, I figured it would
be time to write something about somebody trying to be good. Now.
(16:14):
I think this is something we are starting to see more.
This is James Gunn talking about why Superman has to
be good, why he doesn't mind being Pollyanna. We're so
obsessed with these dark, gritty anti heroes. I'm very excited
to see a show about this. And essentially they the
(16:35):
pitch is so intriguing, like this is the kind of
shit where you're getting a meeting. If you're Vince and
you pitch this, you're getting a meeting anyway because you're vinced.
But because this is what they say, this is all
we know about the show. Seahorn plays Carol, the most
miserable person on earth who must save the world from happiness,
and the tagline is happiness is Infectious. So I'm just like,
(16:58):
I don't know what's going on, but I want to
watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Same here, and let's just take a quick moment. We
mentioned it at the beginning of this little segment for
this show, Apple TV plus really is betting heavily on
sci fi foundation you mentioned Severn's of course Silo j
C for all that kind monarch legacy of months Jo
(17:26):
season Dark Matter. Like there, it's they are betting heavily
on sci fi. Some of it has hit obviously much
harder than others, but all very interesting swings.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
At Murder Bond, I forgot to say, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
My God, which by the way ended up being like
a sleep a hit for them, which did kind of
predict and we all getting a season two. I think
you make a great point, Apple plus, Apple TV plus
ever since the opening, I mean I went to the
first step visit Apple Ever did and it was formed
all Mankind and that still stands as one of the
best sci fi shows that we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And the loss at that absolute sleeper show.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, Like, I love that they're investing in this stuff,
and I can't wait A love re A Seahorn and
I can't wait to see where this goes. It sounds
like the exact kind of weird kind of Zero's British TV,
like Utopia or something where you never see what's coming
and then once it hits you're just obsessed.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Efforts and we're back, folks. The kids are now thirty
(18:42):
five thirty children have children in real life. Yes, of
course we're talking about season five, the final season of
Stranger Things and the final season of content by the
Duffer brothers at the Home where they broke big Netflix folks.
(19:03):
Whoof I wonder now how excited people really will be.
It's been a long it's been. It feels like it's
been a long time since season four.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's been nine years since season one too, So like,
that's not crazy, that's crazy. This is I think also representative,
ironically of the impact of Stranger Things in many ways,
because Stranger Things was Netflix's big global smash post the
prestige arrival of House of Cards, and this was a
(19:34):
cultural phenomenon and it established what people then wanted from streaming.
It also set up the binge model as the way
to watch a new show. But with all of that said,
we also ended up in this situation with these huge
gaps in between seasons, and as the shows became bigger
than the kids went out to do other stuff, and
(19:54):
suddenly you end up in a situation where you can't
get them all back or and so we've ended up
in a situation where Stranger Things is essentially like a
microcosm for a lot of the complaints people have about streaming.
And it's been five years since Stranger Things Season four air,
which is crazy, Jason, because we caught up on the
Xtra vision with the final episodes of that season four
(20:16):
years ago, like just when it was ending. So yeah,
just absolutely crazy to me. Uh, the final season is
gonna be split. First four episodes are gonna premier a Thanksgiving,
the next three at Christmas, and the finale on December thirty.
First there, they're really milking it. And they've also been
talking about how these will be, you know, the classic
(20:39):
another microcosm of streaming drama. Some of these are gonna
be movie length TV episodes, like a movie. Guys, it's
gonna be a movie on TV. But yeah, it's gonna
be interesting. I think all this is what we know
about it. Last season, they got a new villain in
Vecna and this season they're basically gonna be hunting for
Vecna and and this is going to be a more
(21:01):
actively supernatural season. And it is interesting because the Dupper Bros.
Came from Netflix. It's huge smash hit, like life changing,
so much money, so much fame. But recently it was announced,
as you said, they're moving to Paramount Huge, which I
think is a huge, huge deal. So yeah, I'm intrigued.
(21:26):
I don't really know what is to come. I think
the biggest conversation that I have seen among my friends,
among our Discord users, among people who do still have
passion for this show, hilariously, is mostly around Eddie Munson
and how they hope he comes back this season. So
let's see if they've got that. Joseph Quinn in the
MCU money, Jason, do you have any feelings about the
(21:48):
final season? What do you want? What would make this
an unmissible show for you as we head into the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I it's a real like a real climax to the
very winding story that ties in all the disparate kind
of like personal elements from the real world and the
supernatural elements and the upside down and then answers some
of the mysterious questions. That would be really cool. I'm
(22:15):
also interested more than that, though, I'm interested to see
what the reaction is. You mentioned how long it's been.
I mean the volume season four, Volume one premiere May
twenty seven, twenty two, Crazy and nine years is a
is a immense period of time in pop culture. Do
(22:37):
people still have the same sort of excitement and feeling
for stranger things that they did three years ago or
nine years ago. I'll be really fascinated to see that.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Because also the gap between seasons is very different. It's
not like Game of Thrones, right where every year we
got a new season, so the cultural conversation keeps flowing
over the eight years. This is a very much an
EBB and a flow that's often the kind of non
binge mode drops anymore, where you kind of just like
suddenly are in a situation where you have to watch
(23:08):
one section, then you're waiting for another section, then you're
waiting for another section. Also, something very interesting about this
that I think hints at how popular Netflix knows this is,
and they must be getting the views. They are actually
not exclusively at paramount. They are still going to be
making two new seasons, The Burrows and something very Bad
is gonna happen, which sounds very image comics to me,
(23:31):
so yeah, I'm interested. There's also going to be a
Stranger Things Tales from eighty five animated series, so yeah,
it will be intriguing to see where this goes. Could
be the biggest show of the year, could just kind
of fall off, But I think the Christmas the holiday
release schedules very clever because people are gonna want to
talk about it, they're gonna want to see it, and
obviously we will be catching you up in some very
(23:53):
new fun xtra vision style formats leading into the show
and making sure that you have a ton of stuff
to watch around it if you are very inspired by
the nostalgia rob it All when it hits later this year.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Next up, Percy Jackson season two will premiere December tenth.
This is, of course, based on the second installment of
the acclaimed Ya series by Rick Reardan. Riridon is also
writing the show for television. The same super fun cast
(24:31):
from season one, including a Friend of the Pajas and
Manzuk Dias.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's such good, costing, lightly great, and we're going to
also have Courtney b Vance is actually coming in to
take over the role of Zeus because Laence Reddick passed out.
Kristin Shawl, Sandra Bernard and Margaret Chow are going to
be there as the Gray Sisters. I think, if you
are a fan we just said this, you know Stranger Things, right,
that's a show about kids coming together having these adventures.
(25:00):
This is such an underrated show. Rick Riordon got to
finally have the kind of more creative influence he'd always
wanted over this. The cast are incredible. It's so much fun.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
If you are someone it looks great, it looks really good.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's no question is one of the best Disney Plus shows.
I would put that alongside all Marvel shows. It's so
high quality. It's so much fun. If you love the books,
you will love it. I also think something that's really
exciting about this that people don't quite comprehend is Brick Riddan. Yeah,
he built out this universe and it's incredible and I
love the Percy Jackson universe. But he has also been
(25:37):
bringing in other authors to expand out different mythologies, different laws,
different characters. I think there's so much space here to
play around in and so much chance for the characters
to mature and grow. I would say, look, if you're
somebody who has fallen out of love with a certain
(25:57):
magical school and its author, then this out this gives
you that nostalgic, fun, adventurous space. And if you are
a millennial, then it also will get you very excited
because didn't we all have like a Greek gods and
mid like, didn't you have that phase? I loved my
Greek mythology, and I found.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I used to just read the Encyclopedia like chapters on
exactly and be like, Oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
This has that excitement and it has that level of
law in it where if you were into that stuff
as a kid, you get to be excited, catch the
easter eggs, enjoy it, and like we said, incredible cost.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
So I had part of that cast is Lynn Manuel
Miranda as Hermes. I wanted to why they should have
got lind to have a different haircut.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh, my god, seems.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Because he himself it's like can we get this, yes,
long hair or something.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
This was actually this was also a problem in his
doc materials. Yes not the show, which you should watch
on HBO. It's so good. So I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I can't Lynn ever have different haircuts and the different
roles he played literally just like Alexander Hamilton and Everty Row.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now, come on, guys, give him awake, give him awake.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Something, give us something. Shame it down, grow it out,
do something. Fellas all right. Fallout Season two comes out
December seventeenth, twenty twenty five, and of course this is
bringing in the much loved DLC New Vegas bringing it
to the screen. Uh, we have some new cast members,
(27:43):
including Justin throw Oolang I am listen. We loved season one,
loved it was one of the for me, the surprises
of the calendar you're on TV. I was I don't
know exactly what I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We were blown away by it. We just didn't understand
the level of care and detail that went into this show.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't know what I was expecting, but I think,
you know, having had you know, being in La and
talking to people who are like in the orbit around
season one, it seemed like it was a little bit
of a mess and nobody was quite sure if it
was gonna work. And of course, you know, Jonathan Nolan
famously you know, had a divisive we'll say divisive show
(28:30):
in Westworld that I think came in with a lot
of ambitions and didn't necessarily deliver on any of them,
and so I was I was. I came in with
very low expectations for Fallout season one and was floored.
So I'm so excited for season two, especially because if
you're a fan of the Fallout video games series as
(28:51):
I am, New Vegas has a special place.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's the peak. Like for me, that was the first one.
One of my best friends that bring her up on
airon law is in London, my best the Alex, and
she is the big Triple A gamer out of us,
and I'd seen her play Fallout, but New Vegas was
the first one that we played together, and that felt
like it was like you had to know about it,
you had to see the world. I was also lucky
(29:14):
enough to go to both fall Out houses, one at
Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando and one at Halloween Horror
Nights in La. The La fall Out House is much
scarier if you're planning on going this year. And I
will say that at the end, they do tease a
cool new creature that people will know from the games too,
(29:35):
so they are They did some really fun synergy there
to tease what was coming in season two, but also
give people the experience of going through the vault breaking out,
and of course the Ghoul, which you know the Ghool.
Girlies love him. And I will say, guys, if you
want to see a sexy gal, you got to go
to Orlando. They got a full prosthetic sexy gol La
(29:56):
just has masks. But yes, I'm very interested. Think it
looks great. I think that what we what they tease
at the end of season two, put your earmuffs on
if you do not want to know a spoiler for
season two and the fallout Halloween Horonites Maze. They do
tease the death Claw, which is like a really beloved,
(30:19):
kind of cool, predatory, scary, scary, big horned beast. Jason. Yeah,
as a fallout New Vegas lover, what would you like
to see make it to the screen unchanged? Like, what
is the moment that you would like to see or
the vibe you would like to feel from a New
(30:40):
Vegas season. I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's interesting because thinking about what made season one work,
it's not that things were quote unquote unchanged, It's that
the basic kind of texture and feel. The wackiness of
the games. No one tried to make it cool, you
know what I mean. They didn't try to be like,
oh this is too weird or too discordant or no.
(31:05):
They were just like, just make drug elements don't work
or the you know, the kind of like over the
top fifties elements don't work. And so I guess basically
what I'm hoping is the kind of punk rock, radioactive
biker gang ethos like yeah, kind of like super weird
(31:26):
monster feel, the kind of like desert wasteland grease it
meets grease kind of feel of New Vegas is just there.
I don't mind that they change certain things or then
certain hideouts or certain characters look perhaps different than they
may have looked in the in the in the game
(31:46):
stuff is like five years old.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
It's just that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Does the do they stay authentic to the texture and
the feel of the story of the game itself, which
they did so effectively in season one? And I have
hopes for season two. Let's take a quick break and
won't be right back at d and we're back with
(32:21):
our final two shows. We actually don't have a release
date yet, we just know twenty twenty six. But there
are things we're super excited for, and the first up
is one that we have been theorizing about a lot
in our connotations. Laker Truly Right and His Lanterns, the
upcoming HBO Max series that will introduce Hal Jordan and
John Stewart, John Stewart, the the Green Lantern to James
(32:46):
Gunns new DC Universe. I know people, by the way,
who were who were confused about the John Stewart John
Stuart like who who are not aware that there is
a Green Lantern character named John Stewart.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
There are many many a Green Lantern's, and yes, that
one is named John Stewart, and it's very funny and
we've all laughed about it for many years since he
was first introduced. Yes, but Jason Post that crazy episode
of you know, well, let's just talk peace Maker Season
two has been a smash it, doing some really interesting stuff,
(33:20):
doing some really subversive stuff. Do we feel like Lantern's
is going to be able to continue that while branching
out into what seems like a more obviously kind of prestige,
serious thriller style TV show.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well, I have much higher hopes now than I did before.
Peacemaker season two. I think what this season of Peacemaker
has shown is that James Gunn has a knack for
weaving together the disparate parts of his DCEU really interesting ways.
(33:58):
The connective tissue is fascinating, and judging by Peacemaker season two,
I would expect that there are going to be very
definite things that happen in Peacemakers that then go on
to affect other movies and shows in different ways. And
I'm now super excited because I think I'm having such
(34:18):
a fun time with Peacemaker season two, And of course
I loved Creature Commandos, and I think Superman was amazing. Yeah,
and so I think James Gunn is on a high
right now. He's killing it, super excited for this.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
What did we you think? What do you so? Yeah?
I'm always a bit scared when something is like pitched
as like a True Detective, even though we all know
season one True Detective fucking incredible, like unbelievable vibes, I
still don't necessarily feel like it stuck the landing. But
I think that's also kind of the point of the
first season. It's very much about like transience and and
(34:50):
how we interact with people and obviously incredible costing their
unintentionally of two half brothers apparently too with the you know,
Boody Harrison and Matthew mcconaugh. Unbelievable first season, but very
hard to keep up with the hype of being compared
to that are the seasons have struggled with that. But
I will say I think that with everything we've seen
(35:13):
in James Gunns DCU, we know that he trusts other
people and trusts his collaborators to do interesting, different stuff.
And they literally hired the showrunner Chris Mundy, who worked
on Ozark and True Detective, so at least you're going
to the right people like yeah, And what Chris Mundy
(35:33):
told Vanity Fair recently was he doesn't feel like Green
Lantern is part of a larger storytelling plan, and he
felt season one is designed to be its own complete
season of television that hopefully will become many seasons of TV.
But we know that that doesn't mean that there's not
going to be crossover. We know that Guy Gardiner will
be in the show. We know that we will likely
(35:55):
see the Lanterns coming into the end of Peacemaker season one. Also,
season two. Also interesting here, Deadline basically reported that there's
not gonna be a season three of Peacemaker, So this
is what James S. Gunn told them. He said, you're
gonna find out more about it in episode eight because
it's not necessarily that some of these characters will continue.
(36:17):
But also it's not exactly Peacemaker season three. I'm not
ruling it out. You'll see an episode eight and maybe
you'll find out a little bit more us so that
I think could also potentially they will end up in
Earth X, where, by the way, we were right, James
Gunn said he's calling it Earth two because it's the
second Earth we've seen, but to him it is Earth X.
So I think we could see that Eleventh Street kids
(36:40):
stuck there or in a different universe or something, and
maybe that's why we don't necessarily get the season three
we get. But I'm very excited to see where this
is gonna go, especially because James Gunn's other kind of
more serious spinoff that he was planning was gonna be
the Amanda Wallace spinoff focused on Viola Davis's suicide squad Bobs,
(37:00):
and that has been a slowgo on development. I don't
doubt people have great ideas for it. But Viola Davis
is Viola Davis, so you've gotta be bringing her the
big money if she's running a show like that and
is the star, So I think that's probably why. But yeah,
I mean Jason Ritter, I think one of the most
underrated actors. He's in there as Billy McConn. We're gonna
(37:22):
have Kelly McDonald as Terry, who's also gonna be How's
love interest, Nicole Ari Parker as a character called Bernadette.
We are also going to have a new on screen
Sinestro played by Olric Thompson, and he's going to be
a rogue former member of the Green Lantern Corps, which
I think is interesting that they are not posing him
(37:43):
as directly the antagonist. Maybe this is going to be
part of the bigger threat that we get that will
see Superman and Lex have to team up in twenty
twenty seven for Man of Tomorrow, and this is very interesting.
They say that we'll have Garrett Dillahunt, who was on
Father Walking Dead, as William con a right self righteous,
conspiracy minded man who masks his ruthless ambition behind a
(38:05):
charming and calculated.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Facons like our sounds like our big bad like.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Our big bad guys. And also again I couldn't be
more excited post Peacemaker episode six, James gunn gets my
belief and trust. Now, if you write someone's gonna make
a show about conspiracy theorist or blah blah blah, I said, Oh,
is this gonna be the right thing? Do they have
(38:31):
the juice? Can they tell a story that feels important
and relevant in twenty twenty five? James Gun's just proved
he can do that with Peacemaker season two, So I'm
excited for this one. Jason. I think it could also
be a big crossover hit with the true prestige TV
crowd if it really does bring that level of true
detective quality and kind of gravitas.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Up next, and finally, Star Trek Starfleet Academy. You mentioned
like if you're a little sick of the particular magic school,
and this was one of This is one of those
projects where I'm like, what took so long? This is
a great idea.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I literally pitched no joke. I mean, I think I
can say this, but I mean I pitched a comic
with this exact title, like many years ago, and that
is not like they did not take that idea. Stuff
Late Academy exists, but I feel like it is when
you love Star Trek and you love this kind of thing,
you gotta wonder. You're like, why didn't this so long?
How was this not something paramount made in the CW era.
(39:30):
Why wasn't this something they made as a competitor to
the Arrow Verse? I don't know, but you know what,
good news. Speaking of the CW, this shot in Toronto,
So you're back in that Canadian TV making space, which
often hints that maybe you're going to be doing more
than one season. If you get to make a first
season in Canada, you might be set up there for
a while. So they recently wrapped. No premiere date, but
(39:52):
there is a ten episode first season. Very exciting, also
not ending up like the Michelle Yo series that got
kind of truncated into a movie due to production and
was not necessarily beloved. They also say that it's already
renewed for season two. Wow, So I am very excited
(40:12):
about this. This is gonna be a very interesting time
in Star Trek canon too, because it's gonna be set
in the thirty second century and it will follow the
first new class of Starfleet cadets in over a century
as they come of age and train to be officers.
I'm in you already got me?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Guys, Ye got me? The trailer looks very slick. It
looks like a million zillion bucks. Yeah, and again the
idea is kind of what took so long?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's literally, you guys have been sitting on money, like
this is money. You could have had a kids show,
a ya show. Yeah, but they know and I will say,
whoever the casting person for this is understands that this
could be a long running show because you've got Holly
Hunter oscar Winner love Her, you got Paul Giamatti Austin
on the Knee, you got Robert Picado from Voyager the Doctor,
(41:07):
So you're getting some star trek Cannon. There also Tignataro,
one of the most popular characters from Discovery, will be
coming back as Jet. And then we're gonna have Tatiana
maslani Or from Black and Cha Hulk. When will she
finally get her emmy? Guys, maybe this will be the show.
WWE superstar Becky Lynch. I guess she's trying to make
that crossover. And Mary Wiseman who's also from Discovery, who
(41:33):
will play Sylvia. It's gonna be really interesting. Also Jonathan
Frakes Riiker, who he's directed a lot of recent Star
Trek and Classic Star Trek. He was at Indianapolis Comic
Com recently and said this is the most massive set
of any Star Trek ever. There is also a spaceship
(41:54):
on the show, which I think, well, I hope that's
not our blip secret. I have been known and I've
had a bad experience with oversharing, he says, I hope
that wasn't an overshare. But it's fabulous. The sets of great,
The scripts are they're funny, which is always helpful on
Star Trek, and that hints that while this is called
Starfleet Academy, we can assume that like every other season
(42:15):
of Star Trek, there will be a new ship and
a new crew. And I am a fan of modern
Star Trek. I think they've done some really interesting stuff.
But yeah, Jason, again, I mean this is like, I
feel like this is printing money if you get it right.
And I feel like twenty twenty six and in the
wake of HBO trying to adapt The Magic School Show
(42:37):
again and everything, I feel like there is a prime
place for another kid centric show. And again going back
to Stranger Things, this is what has been the meat
and potatoes of streaming services. Are these big ya hits,
shadow and bone stranger things. These things have been at
the heart of what makes streaming successful and even shows
(43:00):
like Squid Game or Money Heist that are not necessarily
in that space are still playing to that young audience.
So I think if they got it right, this could
be Paramount's most successful new star Trek.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I completely agree if they get it right.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
If they get it right, well, lots of TV to.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Look forward to. On the next episodes of X ray Vision,
we're diving into the staying power of K pop Demon
Hunters plus Aaron interviews Jenner Andrews and Stephen Kirk, the
writing team behind Free and this.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is what it sounds like, this is why it sounds
like my favorite song of this movie.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, bye. X
ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kauffman.
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The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!