January 31, 2025 • 60 mins
Winter TV is here! Rosie and Jason set a hype meter for Yellow Jackets season 3, Severance season 2, and White Lotus season 3. Then, the rise of the spy television series has taken over the networks. We share our thoughts on Man on the Inside, Black Dove, The Night Agent, The Agency, Day of the Jackal, Mr and Mrs Smith, plus Slow Horses. Finally, our hosts share their reality TV favorites.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Recording today's episode. Yeah, we're not gonna spoil anything. There's
gonna be no spoilers. We're just talking about like TV chatter,
checking in on television.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, my name is Jason steps you and I'm marsday
Night and welcome back to Xtra Vision of the podcast
where we dive good to your favorite shows, movies, comics
and pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Coming from Ara Podcast. We're for you three episodes a week,
every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And maybe says.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Maybe a mystery day, but this is like Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Also maybe a little surprise for you. In today's episode,
we are going to be checking our hype levels for
some upcoming shows. Yellow Jacket season three, how are we
feeling about it? After that stunning season one and a
little bit less impressive season two? White low of season three?
What do we think about that? How we feeling about
that now? Jennifer Coolidge's spoiler a lot of season two?
(01:09):
That sever and season two it's back baby, and they
are ready to make your mind melt. It's very wild.
And then we will be talking about the rise of
spy stories in winter TV and how popular these have become.
And then a little bit of a twist for you. Here, guys,
we're gonna be talking about some winter reality TV. Just
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throw a little bit out there what we enjoy in,
what's getting us through this terrible time.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But first the air lock. Okay, here we are television,
some big upcoming shows coming out or already out. Uh,
and let's check our level of excitement for these. I
guess let's start with seven season two, which is out. Now,
it's already out, so let's it's already out. I've watched
the first episode. I thought that the finale of season
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one one, and season one in general, was like great,
great great. I was like, Okay, how long can they
really take this Twilight Zone thing and make a full
season out of it? And I was kind of blown
away by how many really truly actually mind bending twists
and turns there were, leading to a finale that had
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lots of huge reveals. If you haven't watched season one
of Severn's on the Little Watched Little, subscribe to Apple
TV plus network. We have talked about all the various
ways you can.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Get crazy to pay money. Just go to you.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's seriously, they will you walk into any place with
an Apple product, and there's gonna be some way in
that in that store where you can get an Apple
TV Plus subscription for nothing. So seven season two, I'm excited.
I liked it. I found it season so it's been
what two years in season one.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Which is a long almost three years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Part of the delay was the double strikes actors and
writers striking at the same time. Part of the delay
was also that there was something of a power struggle
or a creative struggle behind the scenes of this show,
which is executive produced and show ran by Ben Stiller,
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writer director, comedian. Though all parties involved in that have
apparently Kumbayad and yeah doing a whole press.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Run because they've been doing a wild press run, a wild.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Press one where they're like, listen, things happen and creative
endeavors and we disagree and everything's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
They put the whole cost in a gloss box at
Grand Central Station and had still of that taking pictures
of them like a proud uncle as they did little
bits in there for a few hours. So yeah, Yeah,
I'm very interested to see if they can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Season two first episode, I liked it. I'm excited to
see where it goes. It felt a little bit like
soft reboot stuff we've seen before, but it didn't build
off of the finale of season one in the way
I was totally expecting. But like, this is a show,
I'm super interested. I'm I'm excited to get more answers.
(04:26):
It does feel like we're kind of at the stage
now it's been two years in season one. I know
they're not thinking like that, but they maybe they should
they have and I gotta have some fucking answers at
some point, and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It's gotta happen. It's the yellow jacket conundrum. And I
do think this is at the moment, I feel like
we are in an interesting phase. I don't know what
it means creatively or you know, morally, or what it
reflects about our you know, current society, but we are
in an interesting phase where we are just getting so
many banger puzzle box shows where the first season you
(04:58):
are like, I would die to see season two right now,
Like I would, I would do terrible things if I
could see season two. And alas, when season two comes,
then you have to start answering the questions of the puzzle.
I need them and we and that I think is
definitely something that these shows are struggling with. But I
(05:18):
do think that Severance has set up an interesting core
conflict that will drive us through as we wait to
set up those storylines and those answers. So I'm feeling
positive the reviews of the positive. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I guess we should for those of you who haven't
seen it, yes, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, try
and do the non spoil us up. So there's a
there's this company called Lumen. They do something. There's been
a lot of conjecture about what the work they do is.
But one of the conditions of working there, apparently, is
that the workers undergo a process voluntarily which their consciousness
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is split, so that the person that goes when you
go into the building, your consciousness flips over towards your
worker side, called the INNI, who just works. And then
when you leave the building, you're your audi. You're the
regular person you are, and you don't know anything about
what goes on at work. You're not stressed about it,
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you're not worried about it, you have no information about it.
Both sides are not connected. Your INNI does not know
what your audi does when they're outside, is only interested
in work. Your Audi does not know anything about what
your INNI is going through, the internal office politics, the
drama therein the various types of work that you do.
So there's been a lot of conjecture. I mean, the
(06:44):
women's involved with like the Defense Department. Maybe they do
something like some sort of top secret work. Yeah, so
it's unknown, and so that's the setup.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, it's definitely very interesting, and the core conflict comes
in very early in the fun episode where you realized
that while many people are happy to be an Innie
and be in that space, Remember there is a great
conversation about well, wait a minute, this means that the
Innis experience life as if they never leave, they are
only ever at work, Like what would that mean to
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just constantly only ever be conscious in work? Which was
something I was unexpecting, that was unexpected for me and
really drew me into that first season. So yeah, I'm
excited to see where the second season goes.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I liked the first episode. I love to see Adam
Scott having this critic career renaissance. I think he's one
of our best generational TV actors. I love him in
Parks and rec I love him in Party Down, it's
fun to get to see him doing something more serious here,
and yeah, great, great stuff, A very positive start to
season two. But also I want those answers, what do they.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I want those answers. I like this show because it
is in part it's kind of a version of the
teleporter problem, you know, like the Star Trek teleporter problem,
where you know, how would a teleporter if it existed work?
You step inside, you are taken apart, so you die.
Your body is taken apart, molecule by molecule, and then
on the other side they reassemble you perfectly, molecule by molecule.
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So when you go into the teleporter, you die, and
then a person who comes out the other side, you
are a clone with all of your memories that pick
up right away, knowing that do you get into a
teleporter and trust that on the other side you're the
same person? And how would you even know? And I
think that that is kind of the thing that's going
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on in severance. Like, on one hand, it sounds like
the pitch could you could almost hear it would be
pretty good? Hey, yeah, no, none of the take home stress,
none of the worries about my boss said this, my
boss said that I'm so pressed about like various projects,
and now I can't enjoy my off time. Now you know,
work life balance, it's perfectly separated. The downside is there's
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another person in there who's a version of you, who
is you don't even know if they're happier in or what.
So that's what severance is really cool in that effect.
I will say I explained this show to my father
in law, who was like, I'm out, I'm not gonna
watch that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
He was like, absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No. Next up, Yellowjackets season three slated to premiere February fourteenth.
I am excited. The trailer came out a couple days ago,
which is very exciting and very violent and very twisty,
and I wonder if we're gonna get those answers. And
(09:36):
this is here's the thing. My hype level is, give
me the fucking answers.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I will say they I love this show. I love
everything about it. I could even when the second season
was not necessarily hitting me in the same way. I
do love these characters. The trailer got me very excited.
It looks violent, it looks crazy. It looks like they
know that audio because they use the disturbed song let
the bodies hit the floor so they know we're all
(10:04):
very men now. And that was very good why you
know all that kind of business. But I will also
say it was still posing some of the same questions
we've had. It's the first season. They'll be like, somebody's
trying to kill us? Who who is trying to kill you?
Somebody's after us, somebody wants to know what happened in
the forest. Who tell us? Who's the among you needs
to know? We got to at least get a slight answer.
(10:26):
I feel like they're ending up in a lost conundrum
here where you're gonna have to start giving us something.
But this is an unreal cast, unreal collection of creatives
behind it, and it's always fun. So we will definitely
be checking in with The Yellow Jacket season three. But
me and Jason are here to employ you showtime. Give
us some answers, give us the answers.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Hype level lukewarm, give me the answers, Tell me the
answers are coming, and I will get very high.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Jason's like, I will heat up once you tell me
that next up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hype level to be determined for White Lotus season three,
which will debut also in February, mid February and February sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
These shows are coming soon.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Here's my thing with White Lotus. I loved season one.
In season two, though, I have many concerns, and they're
the same ones that many people have written about, particular
for season one, which you know is basically a steve's On,
the wonderful character actor steve's On gives a speech in
(11:26):
White Lotus season one. This is a mild spoiler. Here's
our first mild spoiler for people that I've not seen
White Loadas season in which he basically says, of, like
all the kind of drama around me too and diversity
and white supremacy and racism that was kind of coming
to a head back when that show was being produced
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and come out, And he basically says, what am I
going to do apologize for it? Like? What am I
supposed to do? Like how do I just can I
just like live my life? And you know, basically I'm paraphrasing,
but this show is basically about that. It's a show
show ran and written and directed by Mike White, very
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talented writer, producer and former Survivor contestant. He could have
won that season he almost did win that season in
which basically he's processing his love of going to tropical
locations as a wealthy white guy and working through his
feelings about how do the people who actually live in
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this place feel about this? How do I feel about this?
What does it mean to be a very wealthy and
privileged man in a different culture for two weeks and
then leaving? And Season one plays with those ideas but
doesn't necessarily land them, but is tremendously entertaining. It doesn't
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land them and do you? And does it want to
land them? And do we care? I thought it was
a tremendous season and although very entertaining, a lot of
the questions stick with me. Season two was more of
a Jenner for Coolidge Romp, though I also loved it,
with wonderful performances by many people. Character wonderful and season
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three is going to be set in Thailand. Now our
super producer Aaron has some concerns. You know, this is
a season one was set in was it Hawaii or Fiji?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It was Hawaii, so America, though obviously a unique culture
within the United States of America. Season two was set
in Sicily, and didn't delve too much into There.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Was a little bit of like cloth conversation, but not much,
not much, not much.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Season three were in it. We're uh, we're going to
see so there are concerns. Also, apparently the production has
hired some thie writers to make sure that everything is respectful.
That's and I'm also I'm I like this show. I
think this show explores class and wealth in a way
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that is really unique and different, and also, you know,
sexual orientation in a way that is pretty unique, and
so I'm exciting. I would say my hype level is
pretty hyped. I'm hyped for this. I think that there's
nothing quite like White Lotus on television.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I have some misgivings at times.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And it does draw an unbelievable cost, like this season's cost.
It has a Natasha Rothwell coming back, who is one
of my favorite most interesting characters from season one, so
I'm interested to see that. And then you've got Carrie Coon,
Walton Gligins, Leslie Big, Michelle Monahan, Parker Posey, Lisa from
Black Pink, Jason Isaacs, Sarah Catherine Hook, Pat Trick, Schwarzenegger,
(15:00):
Amy Lee would so many different big name actors. So
it's gonna be interesting if maybe two seasons in a
lot of very thoughtful critiques and a maybe a more
diverse writers room or production space could see them deal
with more of that. Any whatever happens, I'm just gonna
miss Jennifer Coolidge because I don't have a lot of
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faith that the show is suddenly going to become like
incredibly thoughtful. But I do want it to be incredibly interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I will say my main concern cultural stuff aside, is
that this is the first non Coolidge season, So what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What's gonna happen? How do you live up to it?
How do you live up to Coolidge?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Now, our production team and you pitched what if they
bring her twin?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
When? I love that theory. I think it's so silly
and so fun. But you're a twin hater.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'm I'm an anti twin. I don't like obviously, like
I've said this in parent Trap, where the setup is twins, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Okay, if it's important and it's introduced, AI, you don't
like a late stage twin reveal.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't like, for instance, this isn't aside, but the
one thing that really bothers me about a movie that
I think is a masterpiece, There Will be Blood, is
that all of a sudden, Paul Dano shows up and
he's the same actor but playing a different character. I guess,
like the character's twin question mark, and it's so like, wait,
(16:33):
what what happened? Another version of this is it's not
necessarily a twin, but in Deadwood, Garrett Della Hunt plays
two characters in a show that only ran like a
handful of seasons, and it's just so like, wait, why
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is this just give another happen?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Anyway, that's an asign. But I'm but I'm excited what
littus season three? Can't wait for it. We're going to
take a break to give you a word from our sponsors,
and then we'll be back with spy TV. The latest
thing in tellvidon and we're back. Okay, Let's talk about
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some of the shows that we've been watching, some of
the things that we really liked, and one of the
things that we can't help but notice is that spy
TV is here. There's a lot of spy shit on
TV right now, and a lot of it is very good.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Surprisingly good. I feel like it's either good to very good. Yeah,
I feel like from you know, the lost great spy
era we had was definitely like I like the grim
and gray kind of seventies spy era. Obviously, James Bond
has always been a popular spy, but I don't know
that the genre itself has had a recite in popularity
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like we are having for a very long time when
multiple successful, high profile press, these TV shows are sented
around the idea of spies and I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm loving it. Let's start at Netflix, which has several
spy properties currently going. First up Man on the Inside
from showrunner Mike Schure of Park Brooklyn, ninety nine, Rutherford Falls,
The Good Place, Primo, Prima Prime, Amazon, Amazon Prime. Full disclosure.
(18:38):
I worked on that show Primo with Mike, and several
of the folks who worked on it with us are
on Man on the Inside. So I feel very warmly
about this particular program. But it is based on the
Mole Agent twenty documentary film, and it's about a an
older guy played by Ted Danson who goes undercovered a
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nursing home. And I'll say this, of the I think
really good Man on the Inside. I th it's really
and who many people are going to be very familiar
with from a million different things, including cheers and other things.
I think he does stuff in this that he's never
done in his career. He goes to emotional places, and
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there's certain things like about you know, there's stuff in
here about dementia and Alzheimer's aging in general that's very
melancholy and sad, and he goes to those places seamlessly.
He's wonderful. I think this is this show is really good,
and it surprised me.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
This has been a show that a lot of people
have texted me about and said, have you watched this show?
Because it kind of Mike Shaw is really really really
really really really great at finding new twists on genres
you already know. And this is very much like a
cozy mystery show, but in a way we've never seen one.
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It has the spy layer two. It's not inherently every
week as a murder. It is more about this man's
exploration of his own aging and kind of getting a
second wind in life through this enigmatic new job and
role that he takes on. And I just think it's
absolutely charming and also a lot of the girlies. They
(20:24):
got the ted dance and crush right now from this show.
They've been texting me saying, this is daddy dancing like
they are loving him. They are finding him very attractive
in his old age, and I love that for them.
And yeah, just the really really charming show. This does
feel like, though it is on Netflix, it does feel
like it could run for ten seasons, Like it has
(20:44):
that feeling that it could just happen. Now, Netflix, You're
not gonna likely get more than two seasons, but there's
a lot in here that feels very much like a
murder she wrote, or a Colombo or something that you
could just watch again and again.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Good camp. It's clearly something that Netflix is going for,
that kind of cozy rewatch demo, to the point where
I think, you know, they're probably leading the charge for
this Man on the inside is not this type of content,
but the type of content where it acknowledges that people
are probably looking at their phone, fun screen content.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, that's like a big thing Netflix has been pushing for.
There's been a lot of controversy recently. Obviously, Mike Shure
is way too famous for them to tell him to
do that, but they have been telling. Certain newer content creators.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Make it easier.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It make it easier have people come on screen and
describe what they're doing in case somebody is not looking
at the TV. Now, this is not that content, but
it is definitely rewatchable. I also love that there are
all these nods like Tinker Taylor, Older Spy, Like all
the titles are fun, your curious incident of the dog
in the painting class and stuff like that. It's very fun.
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It's if you love spy movies, if you love mysteries,
there's a lot in there for you. But it's also
just actually like a really interesting show. And like many
Mike Shuh shows, it will make you cry.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes, it will make you cry. Next up, also on Netflix,
is the I think really good Black Doves.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh my gosh, so good, Like nobody expected it to
be this good.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's soapy, it's violent, it's got some wonderful twists and turns,
it has it. The ending, which I won't spoil, is
an emotional hit. It's good.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And so the setup is there's these group of spies
called Black Doves. One of them is Helen played by
Kieran Knightley, whose best gay colleague in the spy business.
Sam played by Ben Wishaw is like a fucking Jason
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Bourne level, like a sassin.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, and you're just and he's so sassy and he's
always like okay, darling, like he's just immediately the me.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Is very very very like. He is very very sassy,
and he's very much like, uh, you know, meeted person
at a bar and is like, you know, we okay,
shut up if you want a shag or not.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Like yeah, exactly, like you want to hang out with
him if he wasn't gonna kill you, but in a
very efficient fashion. Kiara Knightley is like a highly trained
assassin who's been under cover as the wife of a politician.
And the way they introduce this in the opening is
like so well done. But then when her sexy love
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like by Andrew Cogi, let me.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Just say that here's not too sexy. Here's my note
to the Black Doves a show. I like, why is
Andrew Coggi dying in the first five minutes of the
Please spoiler now? I just spoiled the first It's the
the first five minutes of the of the series. But
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Andrew Coggi, he's got we do flash back to him.
He's gotta be in Why is he dying this soon?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He's too true, he's too good looking.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is not the first like we've Jennison Andrew too
early in a project.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
He is a legend, he's so fantastic, and he is
often underutilized.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But this is a This is a really and a
great twist on this spy franchise. Next up is this
also a Netflix of The Night Agent? Next up, The
Night Agent. It's coming back, It's coming back. Peter. FBI
agent Peter Sutherland is in meshed in a conspiracy about
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whether or not there's a mole at the highest levels
of the US government created by Sean Ryan of of
Swat and the Shield Fame.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So yeah, this is more of your Jack Reach esque.
This is a bit of light actual heavy light.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Action, kind of like standard fare, but still a lot
of if it's not necessarily second screen viewing, but it
kind of is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I think this is what they mean when they think
about it. But I will say if you're more of
a classical broadcast TV person, if you love a wolf
Wolf production, if you are a Jack Reacher fan, this
is definitely for you. It's also it hooks you in.
It's very watchable based on the novel by Matthew Quirk,
and it just got renewed for a third season because
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the second if you like.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Seal Team, Yes, or.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
If you got to wait for CIA FBI, which was
just a nounce, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Then the Night Agent. It's in your wheelhouse, and it's
pretty your wheelhouse next to next over at Paramount. I've
been in love with this show, The Agency. It is
an adaptation of the French show also excellent, Le Bureau
(26:10):
de Layennes de Lellendees they just called The Bureau by
Eric Rashwan about the DGS, the French version of the CIA.
Don't I'll say this, all the seasons of The Bureau
available to rent or pie. Don't watch it because the
first season of the Agency is pretty much the first
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season of the Bureau, So don't watch it if you
want to be spoiled in the Agency. Undercover CIA agent
the Marsh just code named Martian played by Michael Fassbender,
is brought out from his longtime undercover work in Adisa
Baba where he fell in love with this lady. Love
(26:56):
Air quotes something, look, he loves fucking this lady.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
He can't. Yeah, and not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Played by her name is Sammy played by Jodie Turner Smith.
She's a very very accomplished his stories an academic in
her country. And and basically there are a lot of ongoing,
like geopolitical concerns that get upended because Martian can't stop
(27:28):
thinking about this lady. He can't.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He is obsessed.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
He is toly obsessed to the point that he like
puts his daughter in danger.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Problem.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Does he betray his country? Does he cross various lines?
Does he blow ongoing CIA operations because he just can't
stop with this lady.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yes, Yes, And it's very fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's very, very fun of twists and turns.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
An incredible cast.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, Jeffrey Right, Richard, Richie, rich G is my wife
calls him rich G. Katherine Waterston, India Fowl or the
aforementioned Jodie Turnersmith. It's really good. It's wonderfully shot. The
writing is great, directing is great. Obviously, cast this top notch.
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And it's a kind of a spy story that feels
as the Bureau felt kind of ripped from the headlines,
like the Bureau was set during events that were ongoing
in the Syrian civil war and similarly, the agency is
features like ongoing events in Ukraine and it feels very
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present and it's really good and something that our super
producer Joelle mentioned that she likes about it, which I
also like, is there's this fun wrinkle of like it's
fun to think about like conspiracy theories and all the
ways that like men in smoky rooms or making decisions
or corporate boardrooms or like pulling the strings for various
geopolitical events. This imagines a different thing, which is what
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if all these geopolitical events are happening because this one
guy can't stop fucking this woman?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Like why if men are just as like ridiculous
in the spy world as they are in real life,
Like they'll fuck up any shit, like it is not
all planned.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, mild spoiler. My One of my favorite wrinkles about
this show is all these different you know, spies from
different agencies that come across Martian that intersect with him
at various points in the story are like calling him
out and roasting him about how come on, this is
really just about like like like can't you just like
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find somebody? Are you good?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like what's going on? Like all this because of this
Lady anyway, really fun show that I'm enjoying a lot.
Next up on Peak Hawk is the television serialization of
the famous Day of the Jackal book movie. Several movies
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have been made about Day of the Jackal in which
the basic story is this super assassin code named the Jackal,
has been set in motion to assassinate somebody, and how
do you stop this person who no one even knows
who he is? Another excellent cast Eddie Redmain, Lashawna Lynch,
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Orsilla Corbero, Richard Dormer, Charles Dance Backadomics, again adapted from
the book Day of the Jackal bio Fredrick Forsyth, which
was a hit back in the sixties. You maybe have
seen the movies that have been made for me.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I was gonna say as well, like this one was
one where everyone was like, why would you remake this?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That they have the story?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, but don't worry, it's actually again it's this kind
of mix of like soapy action, cat and mouse drama.
I also do think there's something interesting that as we
talk about all of these where this era of spies
are very much about the humanity and the wrinkles that
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being a human brings in what is a relationship?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What does it do to you?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And also how do you still fuck it up by
just like falling in love with someone, which is a
point of many of these, and and like what does
it feel like to end up in a killing eve
sque kind of cat and mouse situation like Day of
the Jackal. It's been very interesting to see that because
I do think that is quite unique to our era
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of spy movies, which is these are not like great,
pot fully professional, perfect, soulless assassins. Actually these are humans
who have taken on this role and what does it
do to them? And I do think that's pretty interesting.
And the very human one is on next one soda. Yes,
that's right, So David the Jackal.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
If you've seen either of the Day of the Jackal films,
don't worry because while you.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
This is definitely a twist, you will.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Under while you know the basic setup, right, it goes
places that you're not expecting. And it's not like a
it's not like a situation where they took the book
and then they cut it up into ten pieces and
made a show. It it's not that like it's it's
a basically a different story and really really fun. Up
next on Prime Amazon Prime Video is the spy story
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of the Weak Style show Mister and Missus Smith, loosely
based on the movie of the same name, starring famously
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, the movie during which their
relationship began and then.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Chemistry has off. The shots in that movie like you
can just feel the adultery.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Whiles was was attached to someone else famous the wonderful
Jenniver Acid famously wonderful Jennifer anisid but he just couldn't resist.
They couldn't stop anyway. Mister and Missus Smith starring uh,
the incredibly talented Donald Glover and the incredibly talented Meyer
(33:20):
Erskine as the aforementioned Mister and Missus Smith, two undercover
agents that are kind of put together in this cover
of a married couple and that they go on. Each
episode is like its own little mission. It's a really
unique twist on it in that it is a mission
of the week. There's kind of there's an overwatching story
which is mainly their relationship and how it evolves over
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the course of these missions. But each episode is it's
like an episode of the Hulk, you know, the incredible
you know, goes to a different town and does it
all over again.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And also it has it differently original. Mister and missus
Smith is like, what if two people who were married
found out that they were both spies who had to
kill each other? Essentially paraphrasing the plot of like a
two hour movie. This is what if you were two
spies who have to pretend to be married to do
your missions. But of course that then leads to the
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everyone loves a fake relationship, fake dating plot, So this
is definitely in that space. Interestingly, this was the one,
and I think you can really feel it when you
watch the show. This was originally a Donald Glover Phoebe
waller Bridge show, but I love my Asky and I
was very happy to see her hair. Yeah, this is
definitely the most human Indiana Jones. How did that go?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Indiana Jones and the Old Men of Destiny? Yeah, I
don't know it was it. I think she did right,
I think she did.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I think it was she dropped out for some reason,
maybe creative differences I remember hearing, but also she was
in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny ironically actually
written by uh the two brother playwrights Bartoworth and John
Henry Baroworth, who wrote The Agency, which is far better
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than Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny. Ironically, we
are kind of ending with I think the show that
has been slowly paving the way for the spyros subject
over the last five years.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think you're right, and that is Apple TV Plus's
Slow Horses. This is adapted by the incredibly numerous novel
series by Nick Hern. There are so many Slow Horses books.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, called slough House, which is slough House, so sloows
a bosted ass place in England.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
So slough House is like where they send the five
agents who fuck up but are still useful for something
like going through a subject's trash, the dirty jobs, the
low level jobs that nobody else at m I five
wants to do. They send these very US spies who
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have either blown it on a mission, blown it in
a training mission, have debilitating character defects, whatever the case
may be. They're sent to Slows and this kind of
ragtag band of outcast spies finds themselves at the forefront
of various mysteries over the multiple seasons which this show
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has undergone, I will say to me, I hope that
the producers of Slow Horses won't take this in a
bad way. This is second screen viewing for me. Like
it's I think it's great. I think the performances are wonderful,
most notably Gary Oldman as the burping and farting and
smoking John Lamb.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The Yeah, he's old school, rumpled kind of Shenan's guy.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, the coffee farts all the time in the show.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So much stop bowing please. But it does have Olivia
Cook we love well, we love her in this show.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yet I love her on the show, although I will
say she exits in mysterious circumstances, probably to do House
of the Dragon, and I.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
See, Yes, that is what it feels like. Kristen Scott
Thomas obviously another legend. Hugo Weaving. Yeah, Jack Clouden is
very handsome. Jack Louden, He's definitely a one of those
guys kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But yeah, I die, I cannot one of those guys guys.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's I do feel you. This is a show that
I do think. The kind of like slow nature of
the show. It was definitely a slow burn hit for
Apple TV. Plus it was also like and I do
think that does make it that kind of TV viewing
where if you're not immediately hooked by the characters and
want to spend time with them, you could probably zone
in and out, read a little book, eat your dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
You know, it's a Suits It feels like a Suits type.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I know, which is very ironic because the tone of
it is not suits at all, you know, like that's
like this shiny thing. But you can watch Suits for
like seven hours while you're doing other stuff. Also, this
show has been so popular on Apple TV that there
already three spinoffs available aside from the four shows, Yeah,
Dead Lions, Real Tigers and Spook Street and uh Yeah
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in very interesting ninety eight percent on Rotten Tomorrow is
definitely our highest reviewed one, and this is very popular
in our discord. This was the first spy show I
really saw people talking about, so it's kind of interesting
that this one kind of paved the way at Apple TV. Plus,
there must have been other execs going, Okay, how is
this show getting on the best of every year? Like,
what do we need to do? Like? And the idea
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is do some.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I will say, is not about slow horses. A show
I really like. I love that it has Christopher Chung
playing Roddy Ho, the hacker character, their hacker character, as
a series regular. He's in every episode and I love that.
I love to see that. I am somewhat sad that
we've waited all these years for I have waited all
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these years for a Asian to be in a spy story,
a spy show, recurring character in a spy show. And
he is true the most abrasive, annoying guy ever on television.
His character is the most annoying human being there's ever
been put to uh television screens. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah. I will also say as well, like any I
do struggle with any show that is like, when you
live in London, you realize like it's very unlikely that
you would get a show like this that kind of
doesn't really have a lot of like central characters who
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are people of color, Like it's it just it doesn't
feel realistic to living in London, and I do always
find that interesting though, I do. I do appreciate that
they you know, they do have terrorists who are white
supremacists and stuff like that, so they're definitely trying to
do it. But the show has spoiler alert. Yeah, years years.
(39:56):
But the guy also, I will say, like the show
has been hilariously like embraced by people who just love TV,
but it's also been embraced as like an anti woke
show just because of how gross Gary Oldman is. And
I'm like, guys, if that's all it takes is you
just need a gross white guy like.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That old Maps. There's legitimately a pull my finger in
this growth.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I think this is all very anti James Bond. You know.
It's not the cool, collected, like sexy, reprobate spy who
goes around killing people. These are kind of like the
grotesque like people who get things done in the back
alleys of London.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Against all eyes against These spies kind of get it
done when they're not even supposed to do and they've
got significant opponents n M I five itself who don't
respect what slow House is and fine, and you know
consider it a holding, you know, pen or spies on
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their way out and give them the high hand a lot.
There's a lot of a lot of that in this show.
But it's a wonderful it's very wonderfully based breezy show.
It's it's not a like one of those shows where
you're like, I'm gonna be thinking about this one. It's
a good television show period, great performances, wonderful performances, good show,
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Apple TV Plus. And I think you're right. It's been
running for what three seasons now.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I think the fifth fourth season's coming out soon, so
I think the fourth season just finished.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We're on season four now, and I think you're right
that it's success kind of like paved the way for
some of the spy material that we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Now, especially a lot of the spy shows are set
in London, and this is the London Spy Show. So
I think that's just British TV is really feeling this
motif right now, this theme why spies, I don't know.
I think that's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, welly now, I think it's just a and I
think it just happens, you know. I remember it was now,
you know, probably a decade plus a couple of decades
ago where we started to get like fire department shows.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
It was like, yeah, like lots of fire department TV,
you know, like TV Cops or can We've done it?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
But like what about the fire department? And I think
that just as this is just one of those, it's
not It hasn't really been explored that much on television,
certainly not on network television. That yatch and I think
Slow Horses kind of showed that there's a way to
do it. And now everybody is coming in with with
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their versions. And you know, the Tinker Taylor BBC adaptation
happened in the seventies was a big, big hit, and
I think people are now rediscovering, Oh wait a second,
We've got all this spy material. There's Frederick forsythe.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Gary Oldman within a remake John, Yeah, there's was really popular.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Alan first, like there's there's a lot of Graham Green.
There's a lot of spy material out there to be mined.
And I think people are realizing, oh wait a second.
Forty years ago the BBC had a hit with this,
why don't we try and serialize some of these or
make our own spy programs. And I think that's what's
happening now. And I will say I'm a big fan
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of the spy novel, so this is great for me personally.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I appreciate this guy. Personally.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I love a good spy novel. I read them all
the time. I read so many of them constantly. Two
of my favorite books of last year were spy novels,
and I just can't say so this is great for me.
The Torque Man, which is an epistolary novel set during
World War Two. It's it's basically told through a novel
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and a journal that are found in the kind of
destroyed ruins of Germany after World War Two, and they
piece this story together that way, and it's I won't
spoil any of it. It's great. I was blown away
by it. It's one of my favorite books that I
read recently, The Torque Man, and then The Scarlet Papers,
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which is about a kind of late middle aged career
going nowhere academic who lectures on espionage, who gets sucked
into a scheme by which apparently not a famous but
like a well known spy in the industry who's been
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working since the Cold War, wants to publish their autobiography
through him, wants to the aforementioned Scarlet Papers, wants to
hand him this manuscript. And there's a lot of twists
and turns that come through that it starts. The first
third of it feels very much like the British The Office,
in which this guy who wishes that his life we're
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different and is stuck in like middle management, gets sucked
into something bigger and makes a lot Like there's a
lot of these guy fucking up in a very relatable
way where you cringe a little bit, And that's kind
of not an experience that I've had reading a Spine novel,
and then it goes places that are just like wow,
I can't believe this too great wos So those are
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two of my favorite books last year. We're gonna take
a break and we come back. We're going to talk
a little bit more TV. Okay, and we're back. Let's
(45:44):
briefly talk about some reality television. I'm a big fan
of reality television series and other uh similarly themed reality shows.
I used to watch. I used to be a big
Big Brother person. I've since fallen away. It was a
big The Challenge person in my youth. I watched all
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of the MTV The Challenge stuff, and I will check
back in on it still in that vein.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
An amazing race, amazing race guy.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I am a somewhat of an amazing race guy. Yes
a little bit. Now. There is a new Ish reality
show called The Traders on Peacock and that show. If
you are a fan of Survivor, The Amazing Race, The
Housewives franchise and TVs The Challenge, Australian Survivor, any of
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these kind of ongoing, long running you know, Love Island,
The Bachelor, all of these like ongoing reality franchises, then
you will like The Traders, hosted by the fantastic alen Coming.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I love him so much. He is the reason I watch.
He is the reason I watch now.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
The Traders is basically if you've ever played like the
party game Mafia Werewolves, Yeah, yeah, which in which you
know you have a bunch of people two people are
werewolfs and at night they kill someone and then in
the daytime everybody has to figure out who the were
wolf is. That's basically Traders Now. It took me a
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little while to get into it because as a Survivor fan,
I found like a lot of the b roll in
the setup to be absolutely ridiculous. That said Kenny, who
is my manager, who you know as well, Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
He walked with us to get this X ray vision.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah. In many people were like, you gotta watch The Trader.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
You like Survivor, you.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Got you gotta watch it, And then he got into it,
and he's like, yeah, I'm watching. I love it, and
I'm like, okay, I've had a lot of trouble getting
into it. He's He's like, here's what I do. I
just watch the scheming parts when they go to there's
a challenge section where they go out into a field
and go, you know whatever, eat something gross, or go
find you know, the hidden stuff out in the woods.
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He calls it. Kenny refers to that segment as Hopscotch.
He's like, I fast forward through Hopscotch and then I
just watch them scheming and lying to each other and
trying to figure out who the trader is. I started
doing that, and guess what, I'm now three seasons in.
It is really wonderful. And I think one of the
things that I found most interesting is that this season
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there's been a number of Survivor players on it, as
there happened in the past, and it's been interesting to
me to see how emotional people get when they get
booted from the show, because everybody thinks they're a trader,
but then it turns out they're not. They're what, yeah,
what are termed in the show of Faithful And I
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think that part of it is really part of what
has hooked me about this show.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
It is really a very very emotionally invested in what
is essentially like a kid's party game, but the way
that they make it feel so huge. Also, I will say, guys,
if you like The Traders and you wish there was
more of it, there is an English version of The
Traders that you can watch English, which was the original
version I believe, though I will say I do think
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that Alan Cumming version slightly top six. I just love it.
But the last season of the English version did have
a very iconic cast member called Diane that people are
obsessed with, So if you want to check that out,
that's also good. Jason, what are some other reality TV
shows you've been watching lately? Old? I think because there's
so many. I watch a lot of Bag Girls Club
in my house, very problematic but just very addictive. There's
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actually a Bag Girls Club channel now on Pluto and
Roku TV, so that does come on more often than not.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I watch because Christina watches a lot of it. I
watch a lot of Love Is Blind, yes, very popular,
which I find to be one the most amazing and insane, derange,
unhinged absolutely deranged and love unhinged behavior. I used to
be big in the Housewives. I used to watch a
lot of New Jersey Housewives. I used to watch a
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lot of Orange County Housewives I have. I used to
watch with a lot of Atlanta Housewives. I've watched some
Potomac Housewives. Now that I'm saying, and I'm realizing I've
watched more Housewives than I realized.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
But I need to watch the Newest Housewives season because
my absolute favorite bride of Chucky herself has joined the
Housewives because she believed it would be an exceptionally campy
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thing to do, and it is, and she's incredibly, incredibly
wealthy from gambling professionally. So part of the great moments
that I've seen so far is like she will come
into the Housewives space with a handbag and then all
the two camera bits just all the other housewives going,
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you don't understand that fucking hamdbag is like a million
dollar piece of handbag that they only made like two of.
So I need to check in properly rather than just
watching bits on tap.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I also watch Survivor. I've been a long time fan
of Survivor since the beginning I will say that the
most recent season, forty seven was instantly one of the
best seasons in the show's history. I'd say it's a
top twelve season, top ten season, one of the best
new casts we've seen, and it's clearly, clearly, clearly. Season
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forty was kind of like a big demarcation point for
the show, in which they took all they did like
a basically a winners only season. Everybody who was on
that season had had won a previous season, and since
then they've done all new casts and this is the
best post forty season, season forty seven. So you can
probably watch that on Paramount Plus if you have if
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you have your paramoun Plus subscription.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
You can also. I was gonna say join on Discord
because people, we have a Survivor channel and there are
a lot of surviv aheads in the Discord.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Now here's the level of Survivor fan I am. I pay? Well,
should I admit this? Actually there's nobody I pay for
a VPN so that I can watch Australian Survivor. It
is basically the only thing I use it for.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I love that so much. If anyone has a problem
with that, just send Jason the episode.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, the new season on ten play coming out in
twenty twenty five. They've only said, but it looks like
a pretty big deal this upcoming season. I believe it's
a Survivor Mamia. It is a It is a brains
versus bron so basically a smart people versus muscleheads. Here's
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the thing about him Bo. Here's what I'll say about
Australian Survivor. I watch it on the tenplay website, which
has a lot of great reality show content from that
part of the world, Asia and the surrounding areas. I
will here's the one thing about that's funny about Tenplay.
Every so often, when I log in to watch an
episode of Australian Survivor, it'll ask me, Hey, you're not
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using a VPN, are you, And I will be like no,
I click no, of course not, okay, No, I live
I live in Brisbane. What are you talking about? I
eat it hungry Jacks like everybody else. I love hungry Jacks.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, like I just love Australia.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I've learned a lot about Australian culture through the commercials
on the on the ten play app. But I will
say Aushan Survivor is very very good. It incredible production value.
There is something I think about Australian culture in which
an American Survivor. It's about the every person. Every you
get a person from every kind of walk of life,
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young student, the retired homemaker, the news anchor person, the
blue collar delivery person, right gay straight on Australian Survivor.
It's very important number one that everybody be like pretty
physically fit. So even like the older characters who they've
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had on the show are like two time Olympian gold
medalists who swung the swum the English channel several times
when they were like younger and are still in incredible shape.
They have had like multiple whatever their football is over there,
like multiple times all stars in AFL or whatever their
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version of Australian football is over there. So they'll have
like these incre like surfer professional surfers, and it's much
more like physically based, like there's a lot of like
heavy duty. They love to see people like slamming into
each other. That said, really really fun show with some
wonderful scheming and some great characters. Shout out to King
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George of Survivor, who are incredible one of the greatest
Survivor players ever. But those are the ones I watch.
Do you watch any reality TV? Oh and vander Pump
Rules obviously.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah. My sister and some of my best friends are
very into reality TV, so I have gotten into it.
I would say the big ones at the moment, any
of the selling Sunset franchise. My sister is extremely into those.
So there was a recent new one that started selling
the city all about New York, which if you thought
that LA prices were horrific, wait until you watch they're
(55:33):
selling the city. It's grotesque. That's nine million dollar listing. Yeah,
I'm also a big fan. These are a more standard
network fair but I love like a cooking show. I
watch a lot of like you know, guys, grocery games
and stuff like that, less ongoing lore in those shows.
British Show, Great British Baking show. I love that. I
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love these kind of older British as like Rick Stein.
That motherfucker's going to some nice places he's seeing like
he's like my secret France and you're like, yeah, but
just never watch him go outside of europecause then you're
like you're an old white guy. I don't know if
this was the best choice for you. Another big one
has definitely been As I was saying, I do watch
a lot of like old reality TV shows, but my
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sister did and many of my friends implored me to
watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Have you watched that, Jason,
So you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. It's
actually it's intentionally made as a second screen show because
this is the setup for the show. It follows a
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group of Mormon Mum influencers after they implode when they
get caught in the midst of a swinging sex scandal.
But the show is not The show is set afterwards,
but there is no season about it. You have to
go on TikTok. You have to go on the internet
and read about the law of the swinging sex scandal
(56:58):
to watch the show about the four out. My sister
knew all about the sex scandal from TikTok beforehand, so
that was a very unique situation. And if any of
you have been seeing the trend at the moment for
dirty sodas, they've just started opening dirty soda shops in LA.
This is something that comes from the Mormon community because
these women cannot drink so they'd be going out, Jason,
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and they're swinging with their friends, husbands or whatever. Good
for them. I love that for you, that's fine. But
what I do not condone is that they go into
like a you know, a raceway or racetrack or whatever
your seven eleven equivalent is, and they make like a soda,
but they put like creamer in it, and they put
like marshmallow fluff in it, and they may derange old
(57:43):
school egg cream, kind of like an egg cream, but
like a new version. And it's because they can't drink,
they make these deranged things. So they'll go and they'll
get a coke and it will have like seven pumps
of cherry marshmallow fluff. That was what really shocked me
about that show, not the swinging sex scandal, and that
has actually been so popular on Hulu that they're now
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going to start playing it on ABC at ten PM
on Mondays from like the twenty seventh, so next next week. Yeah,
so very interesting. I'm definitely I'm a reality TV like
I'm a newbie. I'm on the edge, but any of
the big ones vand of Pump Rules, I have some
of my best friends loved that show, so I got
very into it on the season after the cheating scandal,
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the Scandalval scandal, of course, and I deeply deeply hate
that guy.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Tom Tom Sandoval. See him on the Traders. Sure you
can go watch him on Traders, and it's great.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
It's everything's really an evil passic. Also another one that
is like one of those shows where I feel bad
when I watch it because I know it's just not
a well, like it's not a healthy environment for anyone
on the show. But Nightie Day Fiance another one that
my sister is very very into that if it's on,
I will occasionally watch. But that's one of those ones
where I literally, like Bad Girls Club, I'm feeling guilty
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because I'm like, I know, there was no duty of
care like that get paid like night that get paid
like ninety dollars a day for incidentals and they are
probably being plied with alcohol and booze and just making
like terrible decisions. But ironically, I actually indulge in most
reality TV watching via like Instagram or TikTok because of
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the clips. So yeah, that's it. Do you like reality TV?
I would say, like, hit us up if you do,
because our discord definitely does, and it's fun to talk
about different kinds of TV and the way different kinds
of TV gets made. So I'm stoked that we were
able to do a little winter reality TV check in.
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Recording today's episode. Yeah, we're not gonna spoil anything. There's
gonna be no spoilers. We're just talking about like TV chatter,
checking in on television.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, my name is Jason steps you and I'm marsday
Night and welcome back to Xtra Vision of the podcast
where we dive good to your favorite shows, movies, comics
and pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Coming from Ara Podcast. We're for you three episodes a week,
every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And maybe says.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Maybe a mystery day, but this is like Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Also maybe a little surprise for you. In today's episode,
we are going to be checking our hype levels for
some upcoming shows. Yellow Jacket season three, how are we
feeling about it? After that stunning season one and a
little bit less impressive season two? White low of season three?
What do we think about that? How we feeling about
that now? Jennifer Coolidge's spoiler a lot of season two?
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That sever and season two it's back baby, and they
are ready to make your mind melt. It's very wild.
And then we will be talking about the rise of
spy stories in winter TV and how popular these have become.
And then a little bit of a twist for you. Here, guys,
we're gonna be talking about some winter reality TV. Just
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throw a little bit out there what we enjoy in,
what's getting us through this terrible time.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But first the air lock. Okay, here we are television,
some big upcoming shows coming out or already out. Uh,
and let's check our level of excitement for these. I
guess let's start with seven season two, which is out. Now,
it's already out, so let's it's already out. I've watched
the first episode. I thought that the finale of season
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one one, and season one in general, was like great,
great great. I was like, Okay, how long can they
really take this Twilight Zone thing and make a full
season out of it? And I was kind of blown
away by how many really truly actually mind bending twists
and turns there were, leading to a finale that had
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lots of huge reveals. If you haven't watched season one
of Severn's on the Little Watched Little, subscribe to Apple
TV plus network. We have talked about all the various
ways you can.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Get crazy to pay money. Just go to you.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's seriously, they will you walk into any place with
an Apple product, and there's gonna be some way in
that in that store where you can get an Apple
TV Plus subscription for nothing. So seven season two, I'm excited.
I liked it. I found it season so it's been
what two years in season one.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Which is a long almost three years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Part of the delay was the double strikes actors and
writers striking at the same time. Part of the delay
was also that there was something of a power struggle
or a creative struggle behind the scenes of this show,
which is executive produced and show ran by Ben Stiller,
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writer director, comedian. Though all parties involved in that have
apparently Kumbayad and yeah doing a whole press.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Run because they've been doing a wild press run, a wild.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Press one where they're like, listen, things happen and creative
endeavors and we disagree and everything's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
They put the whole cost in a gloss box at
Grand Central Station and had still of that taking pictures
of them like a proud uncle as they did little
bits in there for a few hours. So yeah, Yeah,
I'm very interested to see if they can live up
to the hype.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Season two first episode, I liked it. I'm excited to
see where it goes. It felt a little bit like
soft reboot stuff we've seen before, but it didn't build
off of the finale of season one in the way
I was totally expecting. But like, this is a show,
I'm super interested. I'm I'm excited to get more answers.
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It does feel like we're kind of at the stage
now it's been two years in season one. I know
they're not thinking like that, but they maybe they should
they have and I gotta have some fucking answers at
some point, and.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It's gotta happen. It's the yellow jacket conundrum. And I
do think this is at the moment, I feel like
we are in an interesting phase. I don't know what
it means creatively or you know, morally, or what it
reflects about our you know, current society, but we are
in an interesting phase where we are just getting so
many banger puzzle box shows where the first season you
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are like, I would die to see season two right now,
Like I would, I would do terrible things if I
could see season two. And alas, when season two comes,
then you have to start answering the questions of the puzzle.
I need them and we and that I think is
definitely something that these shows are struggling with. But I
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do think that Severance has set up an interesting core
conflict that will drive us through as we wait to
set up those storylines and those answers. So I'm feeling
positive the reviews of the positive. I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I guess we should for those of you who haven't
seen it, yes, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, try
and do the non spoil us up. So there's a
there's this company called Lumen. They do something. There's been
a lot of conjecture about what the work they do is.
But one of the conditions of working there, apparently, is
that the workers undergo a process voluntarily which their consciousness
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is split, so that the person that goes when you
go into the building, your consciousness flips over towards your
worker side, called the INNI, who just works. And then
when you leave the building, you're your audi. You're the
regular person you are, and you don't know anything about
what goes on at work. You're not stressed about it,
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you're not worried about it, you have no information about it.
Both sides are not connected. Your INNI does not know
what your audi does when they're outside, is only interested
in work. Your Audi does not know anything about what
your INNI is going through, the internal office politics, the
drama therein the various types of work that you do.
So there's been a lot of conjecture. I mean, the
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women's involved with like the Defense Department. Maybe they do
something like some sort of top secret work. Yeah, so
it's unknown, and so that's the setup.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, it's definitely very interesting, and the core conflict comes
in very early in the fun episode where you realized
that while many people are happy to be an Innie
and be in that space, Remember there is a great
conversation about well, wait a minute, this means that the
Innis experience life as if they never leave, they are
only ever at work, Like what would that mean to
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just constantly only ever be conscious in work? Which was
something I was unexpecting, that was unexpected for me and
really drew me into that first season. So yeah, I'm
excited to see where the second season goes.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I liked the first episode. I love to see Adam
Scott having this critic career renaissance. I think he's one
of our best generational TV actors. I love him in
Parks and rec I love him in Party Down, it's
fun to get to see him doing something more serious here,
and yeah, great, great stuff, A very positive start to
season two. But also I want those answers, what do they.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I want those answers. I like this show because it
is in part it's kind of a version of the
teleporter problem, you know, like the Star Trek teleporter problem,
where you know, how would a teleporter if it existed work?
You step inside, you are taken apart, so you die.
Your body is taken apart, molecule by molecule, and then
on the other side they reassemble you perfectly, molecule by molecule.
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So when you go into the teleporter, you die, and
then a person who comes out the other side, you
are a clone with all of your memories that pick
up right away, knowing that do you get into a
teleporter and trust that on the other side you're the
same person? And how would you even know? And I
think that that is kind of the thing that's going
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on in severance. Like, on one hand, it sounds like
the pitch could you could almost hear it would be
pretty good? Hey, yeah, no, none of the take home stress,
none of the worries about my boss said this, my
boss said that I'm so pressed about like various projects,
and now I can't enjoy my off time. Now you know,
work life balance, it's perfectly separated. The downside is there's
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another person in there who's a version of you, who
is you don't even know if they're happier in or what.
So that's what severance is really cool in that effect.
I will say I explained this show to my father
in law, who was like, I'm out, I'm not gonna
watch that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
He was like, absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
No. Next up, Yellowjackets season three slated to premiere February fourteenth.
I am excited. The trailer came out a couple days ago,
which is very exciting and very violent and very twisty,
and I wonder if we're gonna get those answers. And
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this is here's the thing. My hype level is, give
me the fucking answers.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I will say they I love this show. I love
everything about it. I could even when the second season
was not necessarily hitting me in the same way. I
do love these characters. The trailer got me very excited.
It looks violent, it looks crazy. It looks like they
know that audio because they use the disturbed song let
the bodies hit the floor so they know we're all
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very men now. And that was very good why you
know all that kind of business. But I will also
say it was still posing some of the same questions
we've had. It's the first season. They'll be like, somebody's
trying to kill us? Who who is trying to kill you?
Somebody's after us, somebody wants to know what happened in
the forest. Who tell us? Who's the among you needs
to know? We got to at least get a slight answer.
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I feel like they're ending up in a lost conundrum
here where you're gonna have to start giving us something.
But this is an unreal cast, unreal collection of creatives
behind it, and it's always fun. So we will definitely
be checking in with The Yellow Jacket season three. But
me and Jason are here to employ you showtime. Give
us some answers, give us the answers.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Hype level lukewarm, give me the answers, Tell me the
answers are coming, and I will get very high.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Jason's like, I will heat up once you tell me
that next up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Hype level to be determined for White Lotus season three,
which will debut also in February, mid February and February sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
These shows are coming soon.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Here's my thing with White Lotus. I loved season one.
In season two, though, I have many concerns, and they're
the same ones that many people have written about, particular
for season one, which you know is basically a steve's On,
the wonderful character actor steve's On gives a speech in
(11:26):
White Lotus season one. This is a mild spoiler. Here's
our first mild spoiler for people that I've not seen
White Loadas season in which he basically says, of, like
all the kind of drama around me too and diversity
and white supremacy and racism that was kind of coming
to a head back when that show was being produced
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and come out, And he basically says, what am I
going to do apologize for it? Like? What am I
supposed to do? Like how do I just can I
just like live my life? And you know, basically I'm paraphrasing,
but this show is basically about that. It's a show
show ran and written and directed by Mike White, very
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talented writer, producer and former Survivor contestant. He could have
won that season he almost did win that season in
which basically he's processing his love of going to tropical
locations as a wealthy white guy and working through his
feelings about how do the people who actually live in
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this place feel about this? How do I feel about this?
What does it mean to be a very wealthy and
privileged man in a different culture for two weeks and
then leaving? And Season one plays with those ideas but
doesn't necessarily land them, but is tremendously entertaining. It doesn't
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land them and do you? And does it want to
land them? And do we care? I thought it was
a tremendous season and although very entertaining, a lot of
the questions stick with me. Season two was more of
a Jenner for Coolidge Romp, though I also loved it,
with wonderful performances by many people. Character wonderful and season
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three is going to be set in Thailand. Now our
super producer Aaron has some concerns. You know, this is
a season one was set in was it Hawaii or Fiji?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It was Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It was Hawaii, so America, though obviously a unique culture
within the United States of America. Season two was set
in Sicily, and didn't delve too much into There.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Was a little bit of like cloth conversation, but not much,
not much, not much.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Season three were in it. We're uh, we're going to
see so there are concerns. Also, apparently the production has
hired some thie writers to make sure that everything is respectful.
That's and I'm also I'm I like this show. I
think this show explores class and wealth in a way
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that is really unique and different, and also, you know,
sexual orientation in a way that is pretty unique, and
so I'm exciting. I would say my hype level is
pretty hyped. I'm hyped for this. I think that there's
nothing quite like White Lotus on television.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I have some misgivings at times.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And it does draw an unbelievable cost, like this season's cost.
It has a Natasha Rothwell coming back, who is one
of my favorite most interesting characters from season one, so
I'm interested to see that. And then you've got Carrie Coon,
Walton Gligins, Leslie Big, Michelle Monahan, Parker Posey, Lisa from
Black Pink, Jason Isaacs, Sarah Catherine Hook, Pat Trick, Schwarzenegger,
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Amy Lee would so many different big name actors. So
it's gonna be interesting if maybe two seasons in a
lot of very thoughtful critiques and a maybe a more
diverse writers room or production space could see them deal
with more of that. Any whatever happens, I'm just gonna
miss Jennifer Coolidge because I don't have a lot of
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faith that the show is suddenly going to become like
incredibly thoughtful. But I do want it to be incredibly interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I will say my main concern cultural stuff aside, is
that this is the first non Coolidge season, So what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What's gonna happen? How do you live up to it?
How do you live up to Coolidge?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Now, our production team and you pitched what if they
bring her twin?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
When? I love that theory. I think it's so silly
and so fun. But you're a twin hater.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'm I'm an anti twin. I don't like obviously, like
I've said this in parent Trap, where the setup is twins, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Okay, if it's important and it's introduced, AI, you don't
like a late stage twin reveal.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't like, for instance, this isn't aside, but the
one thing that really bothers me about a movie that
I think is a masterpiece, There Will be Blood, is
that all of a sudden, Paul Dano shows up and
he's the same actor but playing a different character. I guess,
like the character's twin question mark, and it's so like, wait,
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what what happened? Another version of this is it's not
necessarily a twin, but in Deadwood, Garrett Della Hunt plays
two characters in a show that only ran like a
handful of seasons, and it's just so like, wait, why
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is this just give another happen?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Anyway, that's an asign. But I'm but I'm excited what
littus season three? Can't wait for it. We're going to
take a break to give you a word from our sponsors,
and then we'll be back with spy TV. The latest
thing in tellvidon and we're back. Okay, Let's talk about
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some of the shows that we've been watching, some of
the things that we really liked, and one of the
things that we can't help but notice is that spy
TV is here. There's a lot of spy shit on
TV right now, and a lot of it is very good.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Surprisingly good. I feel like it's either good to very good. Yeah,
I feel like from you know, the lost great spy
era we had was definitely like I like the grim
and gray kind of seventies spy era. Obviously, James Bond
has always been a popular spy, but I don't know
that the genre itself has had a recite in popularity
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like we are having for a very long time when
multiple successful, high profile press, these TV shows are sented
around the idea of spies and I'm loving it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I'm loving it. Let's start at Netflix, which has several
spy properties currently going. First up Man on the Inside
from showrunner Mike Schure of Park Brooklyn, ninety nine, Rutherford Falls,
The Good Place, Primo, Prima Prime, Amazon, Amazon Prime. Full disclosure.
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I worked on that show Primo with Mike, and several
of the folks who worked on it with us are
on Man on the Inside. So I feel very warmly
about this particular program. But it is based on the
Mole Agent twenty documentary film, and it's about a an
older guy played by Ted Danson who goes undercovered a
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nursing home. And I'll say this, of the I think
really good Man on the Inside. I th it's really
and who many people are going to be very familiar
with from a million different things, including cheers and other things.
I think he does stuff in this that he's never
done in his career. He goes to emotional places, and
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there's certain things like about you know, there's stuff in
here about dementia and Alzheimer's aging in general that's very
melancholy and sad, and he goes to those places seamlessly.
He's wonderful. I think this is this show is really good,
and it surprised me.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
This has been a show that a lot of people
have texted me about and said, have you watched this show?
Because it kind of Mike Shaw is really really really
really really really great at finding new twists on genres
you already know. And this is very much like a
cozy mystery show, but in a way we've never seen one.
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It has the spy layer two. It's not inherently every
week as a murder. It is more about this man's
exploration of his own aging and kind of getting a
second wind in life through this enigmatic new job and
role that he takes on. And I just think it's
absolutely charming and also a lot of the girlies. They
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got the ted dance and crush right now from this show.
They've been texting me saying, this is daddy dancing like
they are loving him. They are finding him very attractive
in his old age, and I love that for them.
And yeah, just the really really charming show. This does
feel like, though it is on Netflix, it does feel
like it could run for ten seasons, Like it has
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that feeling that it could just happen. Now, Netflix, You're
not gonna likely get more than two seasons, but there's
a lot in here that feels very much like a
murder she wrote, or a Colombo or something that you
could just watch again and again.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Good camp. It's clearly something that Netflix is going for,
that kind of cozy rewatch demo, to the point where
I think, you know, they're probably leading the charge for
this Man on the inside is not this type of content,
but the type of content where it acknowledges that people
are probably looking at their phone, fun screen content.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, that's like a big thing Netflix has been pushing for.
There's been a lot of controversy recently. Obviously, Mike Shure
is way too famous for them to tell him to
do that, but they have been telling. Certain newer content creators.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Make it easier.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It make it easier have people come on screen and
describe what they're doing in case somebody is not looking
at the TV. Now, this is not that content, but
it is definitely rewatchable. I also love that there are
all these nods like Tinker Taylor, Older Spy, Like all
the titles are fun, your curious incident of the dog
in the painting class and stuff like that. It's very fun.
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It's if you love spy movies, if you love mysteries,
there's a lot in there for you. But it's also
just actually like a really interesting show. And like many
Mike Shuh shows, it will make you cry.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes, it will make you cry. Next up, also on Netflix,
is the I think really good Black Doves.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh my gosh, so good, Like nobody expected it to
be this good.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
It's soapy, it's violent, it's got some wonderful twists and turns,
it has it. The ending, which I won't spoil, is
an emotional hit. It's good.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And so the setup is there's these group of spies
called Black Doves. One of them is Helen played by
Kieran Knightley, whose best gay colleague in the spy business.
Sam played by Ben Wishaw is like a fucking Jason
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Bourne level, like a sassin.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, and you're just and he's so sassy and he's
always like okay, darling, like he's just immediately the me.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Is very very very like. He is very very sassy,
and he's very much like, uh, you know, meeted person
at a bar and is like, you know, we okay,
shut up if you want a shag or not.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Like yeah, exactly, like you want to hang out with
him if he wasn't gonna kill you, but in a
very efficient fashion. Kiara Knightley is like a highly trained
assassin who's been under cover as the wife of a politician.
And the way they introduce this in the opening is
like so well done. But then when her sexy love
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like by Andrew Cogi, let me.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Just say that here's not too sexy. Here's my note
to the Black Doves a show. I like, why is
Andrew Coggi dying in the first five minutes of the
Please spoiler now? I just spoiled the first It's the
the first five minutes of the of the series. But
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Andrew Coggi, he's got we do flash back to him.
He's gotta be in Why is he dying this soon?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He's too true, he's too good looking.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is not the first like we've Jennison Andrew too
early in a project.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
He is a legend, he's so fantastic, and he is
often underutilized.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But this is a This is a really and a
great twist on this spy franchise. Next up is this
also a Netflix of The Night Agent? Next up, The
Night Agent. It's coming back, It's coming back. Peter. FBI
agent Peter Sutherland is in meshed in a conspiracy about
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whether or not there's a mole at the highest levels
of the US government created by Sean Ryan of of
Swat and the Shield Fame.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So yeah, this is more of your Jack Reach esque.
This is a bit of light actual heavy light.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Action, kind of like standard fare, but still a lot
of if it's not necessarily second screen viewing, but it
kind of is.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I think this is what they mean when they think
about it. But I will say if you're more of
a classical broadcast TV person, if you love a wolf
Wolf production, if you are a Jack Reacher fan, this
is definitely for you. It's also it hooks you in.
It's very watchable based on the novel by Matthew Quirk,
and it just got renewed for a third season because
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the second if you like.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Seal Team, Yes, or.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
If you got to wait for CIA FBI, which was
just a nounce, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Then the Night Agent. It's in your wheelhouse, and it's
pretty your wheelhouse next to next over at Paramount. I've
been in love with this show, The Agency. It is
an adaptation of the French show also excellent, Le Bureau
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de Layennes de Lellendees they just called The Bureau by
Eric Rashwan about the DGS, the French version of the CIA.
Don't I'll say this, all the seasons of The Bureau
available to rent or pie. Don't watch it because the
first season of the Agency is pretty much the first
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season of the Bureau, So don't watch it if you
want to be spoiled in the Agency. Undercover CIA agent
the Marsh just code named Martian played by Michael Fassbender,
is brought out from his longtime undercover work in Adisa
Baba where he fell in love with this lady. Love
(26:56):
Air quotes something, look, he loves fucking this lady.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
He can't. Yeah, and not.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Played by her name is Sammy played by Jodie Turner Smith.
She's a very very accomplished his stories an academic in
her country. And and basically there are a lot of ongoing,
like geopolitical concerns that get upended because Martian can't stop
(27:28):
thinking about this lady. He can't.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He is obsessed.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
He is toly obsessed to the point that he like
puts his daughter in danger.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Problem.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Does he betray his country? Does he cross various lines?
Does he blow ongoing CIA operations because he just can't
stop with this lady.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yes, Yes, And it's very fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's very, very fun of twists and turns.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
An incredible cast.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, Jeffrey Right, Richard, Richie, rich G is my wife
calls him rich G. Katherine Waterston, India Fowl or the
aforementioned Jodie Turnersmith. It's really good. It's wonderfully shot. The
writing is great, directing is great. Obviously, cast this top notch.
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And it's a kind of a spy story that feels
as the Bureau felt kind of ripped from the headlines,
like the Bureau was set during events that were ongoing
in the Syrian civil war and similarly, the agency is
features like ongoing events in Ukraine and it feels very
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present and it's really good and something that our super
producer Joelle mentioned that she likes about it, which I
also like, is there's this fun wrinkle of like it's
fun to think about like conspiracy theories and all the
ways that like men in smoky rooms or making decisions
or corporate boardrooms or like pulling the strings for various
geopolitical events. This imagines a different thing, which is what
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if all these geopolitical events are happening because this one
guy can't stop fucking this woman?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Like why if men are just as like ridiculous
in the spy world as they are in real life,
Like they'll fuck up any shit, like it is not
all planned.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, mild spoiler. My One of my favorite wrinkles about
this show is all these different you know, spies from
different agencies that come across Martian that intersect with him
at various points in the story are like calling him
out and roasting him about how come on, this is
really just about like like like can't you just like
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find somebody? Are you good?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like what's going on? Like all this because of this
Lady anyway, really fun show that I'm enjoying a lot.
Next up on Peak Hawk is the television serialization of
the famous Day of the Jackal book movie. Several movies
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have been made about Day of the Jackal in which
the basic story is this super assassin code named the Jackal,
has been set in motion to assassinate somebody, and how
do you stop this person who no one even knows
who he is? Another excellent cast Eddie Redmain, Lashawna Lynch,
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Orsilla Corbero, Richard Dormer, Charles Dance Backadomics, again adapted from
the book Day of the Jackal bio Fredrick Forsyth, which
was a hit back in the sixties. You maybe have
seen the movies that have been made for me.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I was gonna say as well, like this one was
one where everyone was like, why would you remake this?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That they have the story?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, but don't worry, it's actually again it's this kind
of mix of like soapy action, cat and mouse drama.
I also do think there's something interesting that as we
talk about all of these where this era of spies
are very much about the humanity and the wrinkles that
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being a human brings in what is a relationship?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
What does it do to you?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And also how do you still fuck it up by
just like falling in love with someone, which is a
point of many of these, and and like what does
it feel like to end up in a killing eve
sque kind of cat and mouse situation like Day of
the Jackal. It's been very interesting to see that because
I do think that is quite unique to our era
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of spy movies, which is these are not like great,
pot fully professional, perfect, soulless assassins. Actually these are humans
who have taken on this role and what does it
do to them? And I do think that's pretty interesting.
And the very human one is on next one soda. Yes,
that's right, So David the Jackal.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
If you've seen either of the Day of the Jackal films,
don't worry because while you.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
This is definitely a twist, you will.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Under while you know the basic setup, right, it goes
places that you're not expecting. And it's not like a
it's not like a situation where they took the book
and then they cut it up into ten pieces and
made a show. It it's not that like it's it's
a basically a different story and really really fun. Up
next on Prime Amazon Prime Video is the spy story
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of the Weak Style show Mister and Missus Smith, loosely
based on the movie of the same name, starring famously
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, the movie during which their
relationship began and then.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Chemistry has off. The shots in that movie like you
can just feel the adultery.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Whiles was was attached to someone else famous the wonderful
Jenniver Acid famously wonderful Jennifer anisid but he just couldn't resist.
They couldn't stop anyway. Mister and Missus Smith starring uh,
the incredibly talented Donald Glover and the incredibly talented Meyer
(33:20):
Erskine as the aforementioned Mister and Missus Smith, two undercover
agents that are kind of put together in this cover
of a married couple and that they go on. Each
episode is like its own little mission. It's a really
unique twist on it in that it is a mission
of the week. There's kind of there's an overwatching story
which is mainly their relationship and how it evolves over
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the course of these missions. But each episode is it's
like an episode of the Hulk, you know, the incredible
you know, goes to a different town and does it
all over again.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And also it has it differently original. Mister and missus
Smith is like, what if two people who were married
found out that they were both spies who had to
kill each other? Essentially paraphrasing the plot of like a
two hour movie. This is what if you were two
spies who have to pretend to be married to do
your missions. But of course that then leads to the
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everyone loves a fake relationship, fake dating plot, So this
is definitely in that space. Interestingly, this was the one,
and I think you can really feel it when you
watch the show. This was originally a Donald Glover Phoebe
waller Bridge show, but I love my Asky and I
was very happy to see her hair. Yeah, this is
definitely the most human Indiana Jones. How did that go?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Indiana Jones and the Old Men of Destiny? Yeah, I
don't know it was it. I think she did right,
I think she did.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I think it was she dropped out for some reason,
maybe creative differences I remember hearing, but also she was
in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny ironically actually
written by uh the two brother playwrights Bartoworth and John
Henry Baroworth, who wrote The Agency, which is far better
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than Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny. Ironically, we
are kind of ending with I think the show that
has been slowly paving the way for the spyros subject
over the last five years.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think you're right, and that is Apple TV Plus's
Slow Horses. This is adapted by the incredibly numerous novel
series by Nick Hern. There are so many Slow Horses books.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, called slough House, which is slough House, so sloows
a bosted ass place in England.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
So slough House is like where they send the five
agents who fuck up but are still useful for something
like going through a subject's trash, the dirty jobs, the
low level jobs that nobody else at m I five
wants to do. They send these very US spies who
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have either blown it on a mission, blown it in
a training mission, have debilitating character defects, whatever the case
may be. They're sent to Slows and this kind of
ragtag band of outcast spies finds themselves at the forefront
of various mysteries over the multiple seasons which this show
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has undergone, I will say to me, I hope that
the producers of Slow Horses won't take this in a
bad way. This is second screen viewing for me. Like
it's I think it's great. I think the performances are wonderful,
most notably Gary Oldman as the burping and farting and
smoking John Lamb.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The Yeah, he's old school, rumpled kind of Shenan's guy.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, the coffee farts all the time in the show.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
So much stop bowing please. But it does have Olivia
Cook we love well, we love her in this show.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yet I love her on the show, although I will
say she exits in mysterious circumstances, probably to do House
of the Dragon, and I.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
See, Yes, that is what it feels like. Kristen Scott
Thomas obviously another legend. Hugo Weaving. Yeah, Jack Clouden is
very handsome. Jack Louden, He's definitely a one of those
guys kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But yeah, I die, I cannot one of those guys guys.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It's I do feel you. This is a show that
I do think. The kind of like slow nature of
the show. It was definitely a slow burn hit for
Apple TV. Plus it was also like and I do
think that does make it that kind of TV viewing
where if you're not immediately hooked by the characters and
want to spend time with them, you could probably zone
in and out, read a little book, eat your dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
You know, it's a Suits It feels like a Suits type.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I know, which is very ironic because the tone of
it is not suits at all, you know, like that's
like this shiny thing. But you can watch Suits for
like seven hours while you're doing other stuff. Also, this
show has been so popular on Apple TV that there
already three spinoffs available aside from the four shows, Yeah,
Dead Lions, Real Tigers and Spook Street and uh Yeah
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in very interesting ninety eight percent on Rotten Tomorrow is
definitely our highest reviewed one, and this is very popular
in our discord. This was the first spy show I
really saw people talking about, so it's kind of interesting
that this one kind of paved the way at Apple TV. Plus,
there must have been other execs going, Okay, how is
this show getting on the best of every year? Like,
what do we need to do? Like? And the idea
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is do some.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I will say, is not about slow horses. A show
I really like. I love that it has Christopher Chung
playing Roddy Ho, the hacker character, their hacker character, as
a series regular. He's in every episode and I love that.
I love to see that. I am somewhat sad that
we've waited all these years for I have waited all
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these years for a Asian to be in a spy story,
a spy show, recurring character in a spy show. And
he is true the most abrasive, annoying guy ever on television.
His character is the most annoying human being there's ever
been put to uh television screens. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah. I will also say as well, like any I
do struggle with any show that is like, when you
live in London, you realize like it's very unlikely that
you would get a show like this that kind of
doesn't really have a lot of like central characters who
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are people of color, Like it's it just it doesn't
feel realistic to living in London, and I do always
find that interesting though, I do. I do appreciate that
they you know, they do have terrorists who are white
supremacists and stuff like that, so they're definitely trying to
do it. But the show has spoiler alert. Yeah, years years.
(39:56):
But the guy also, I will say, like the show
has been hilariously like embraced by people who just love TV,
but it's also been embraced as like an anti woke
show just because of how gross Gary Oldman is. And
I'm like, guys, if that's all it takes is you
just need a gross white guy like.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That old Maps. There's legitimately a pull my finger in
this growth.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I think this is all very anti James Bond. You know.
It's not the cool, collected, like sexy, reprobate spy who
goes around killing people. These are kind of like the
grotesque like people who get things done in the back
alleys of London.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Against all eyes against These spies kind of get it
done when they're not even supposed to do and they've
got significant opponents n M I five itself who don't
respect what slow House is and fine, and you know
consider it a holding, you know, pen or spies on
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their way out and give them the high hand a lot.
There's a lot of a lot of that in this show.
But it's a wonderful it's very wonderfully based breezy show.
It's it's not a like one of those shows where
you're like, I'm gonna be thinking about this one. It's
a good television show period, great performances, wonderful performances, good show,
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Apple TV Plus. And I think you're right. It's been
running for what three seasons now.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I think the fifth fourth season's coming out soon, so
I think the fourth season just finished.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We're on season four now, and I think you're right
that it's success kind of like paved the way for
some of the spy material that we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Now, especially a lot of the spy shows are set
in London, and this is the London Spy Show. So
I think that's just British TV is really feeling this
motif right now, this theme why spies, I don't know.
I think that's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, welly now, I think it's just a and I
think it just happens, you know. I remember it was now,
you know, probably a decade plus a couple of decades
ago where we started to get like fire department shows.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
It was like, yeah, like lots of fire department TV,
you know, like TV Cops or can We've done it?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
But like what about the fire department? And I think
that just as this is just one of those, it's
not It hasn't really been explored that much on television,
certainly not on network television. That yatch and I think
Slow Horses kind of showed that there's a way to
do it. And now everybody is coming in with with
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their versions. And you know, the Tinker Taylor BBC adaptation
happened in the seventies was a big, big hit, and
I think people are now rediscovering, Oh wait a second,
We've got all this spy material. There's Frederick forsythe.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Gary Oldman within a remake John, Yeah, there's was really popular.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Alan first, like there's there's a lot of Graham Green.
There's a lot of spy material out there to be mined.
And I think people are realizing, oh wait a second.
Forty years ago the BBC had a hit with this,
why don't we try and serialize some of these or
make our own spy programs. And I think that's what's
happening now. And I will say I'm a big fan
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of the spy novel, so this is great for me personally.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I appreciate this guy. Personally.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I love a good spy novel. I read them all
the time. I read so many of them constantly. Two
of my favorite books of last year were spy novels,
and I just can't say so this is great for me.
The Torque Man, which is an epistolary novel set during
World War Two. It's it's basically told through a novel
(43:53):
and a journal that are found in the kind of
destroyed ruins of Germany after World War Two, and they
piece this story together that way, and it's I won't
spoil any of it. It's great. I was blown away
by it. It's one of my favorite books that I
read recently, The Torque Man, and then The Scarlet Papers,
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which is about a kind of late middle aged career
going nowhere academic who lectures on espionage, who gets sucked
into a scheme by which apparently not a famous but
like a well known spy in the industry who's been
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working since the Cold War, wants to publish their autobiography
through him, wants to the aforementioned Scarlet Papers, wants to
hand him this manuscript. And there's a lot of twists
and turns that come through that it starts. The first
third of it feels very much like the British The Office,
in which this guy who wishes that his life we're
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different and is stuck in like middle management, gets sucked
into something bigger and makes a lot Like there's a
lot of these guy fucking up in a very relatable
way where you cringe a little bit, And that's kind
of not an experience that I've had reading a Spine novel,
and then it goes places that are just like wow,
I can't believe this too great wos So those are
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two of my favorite books last year. We're gonna take
a break and we come back. We're going to talk
a little bit more TV. Okay, and we're back. Let's
(45:44):
briefly talk about some reality television. I'm a big fan
of reality television series and other uh similarly themed reality shows.
I used to watch. I used to be a big
Big Brother person. I've since fallen away. It was a
big The Challenge person in my youth. I watched all
(46:07):
of the MTV The Challenge stuff, and I will check
back in on it still in that vein.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
An amazing race, amazing race guy.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
I am a somewhat of an amazing race guy. Yes
a little bit. Now. There is a new Ish reality
show called The Traders on Peacock and that show. If
you are a fan of Survivor, The Amazing Race, The
Housewives franchise and TVs The Challenge, Australian Survivor, any of
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these kind of ongoing, long running you know, Love Island,
The Bachelor, all of these like ongoing reality franchises, then
you will like The Traders, hosted by the fantastic alen Coming.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I love him so much. He is the reason I watch.
He is the reason I watch now.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
The Traders is basically if you've ever played like the
party game Mafia Werewolves, Yeah, yeah, which in which you
know you have a bunch of people two people are
werewolfs and at night they kill someone and then in
the daytime everybody has to figure out who the were
wolf is. That's basically Traders Now. It took me a
(47:29):
little while to get into it because as a Survivor fan,
I found like a lot of the b roll in
the setup to be absolutely ridiculous. That said Kenny, who
is my manager, who you know as well, Yes.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
He walked with us to get this X ray vision.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah. In many people were like, you gotta watch The Trader.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
You like Survivor, you.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Got you gotta watch it, And then he got into it,
and he's like, yeah, I'm watching. I love it, and
I'm like, okay, I've had a lot of trouble getting
into it. He's He's like, here's what I do. I
just watch the scheming parts when they go to there's
a challenge section where they go out into a field
and go, you know whatever, eat something gross, or go
find you know, the hidden stuff out in the woods.
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He calls it. Kenny refers to that segment as Hopscotch.
He's like, I fast forward through Hopscotch and then I
just watch them scheming and lying to each other and
trying to figure out who the trader is. I started
doing that, and guess what, I'm now three seasons in.
It is really wonderful. And I think one of the
things that I found most interesting is that this season
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there's been a number of Survivor players on it, as
there happened in the past, and it's been interesting to
me to see how emotional people get when they get
booted from the show, because everybody thinks they're a trader,
but then it turns out they're not. They're what, yeah,
what are termed in the show of Faithful And I
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think that part of it is really part of what
has hooked me about this show.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
It is really a very very emotionally invested in what
is essentially like a kid's party game, but the way
that they make it feel so huge. Also, I will say, guys,
if you like The Traders and you wish there was
more of it, there is an English version of The
Traders that you can watch English, which was the original
version I believe, though I will say I do think
(49:21):
that Alan Cumming version slightly top six. I just love it.
But the last season of the English version did have
a very iconic cast member called Diane that people are
obsessed with, So if you want to check that out,
that's also good. Jason, what are some other reality TV
shows you've been watching lately? Old? I think because there's
so many. I watch a lot of Bag Girls Club
in my house, very problematic but just very addictive. There's
(49:44):
actually a Bag Girls Club channel now on Pluto and
Roku TV, so that does come on more often than not.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I watch because Christina watches a lot of it. I
watch a lot of Love Is Blind, yes, very popular,
which I find to be one the most amazing and insane, derange,
unhinged absolutely deranged and love unhinged behavior. I used to
be big in the Housewives. I used to watch a
lot of New Jersey Housewives. I used to watch a
(50:11):
lot of Orange County Housewives I have. I used to
watch with a lot of Atlanta Housewives. I've watched some
Potomac Housewives. Now that I'm saying, and I'm realizing I've
watched more Housewives than I realized.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
But I need to watch the Newest Housewives season because
my absolute favorite bride of Chucky herself has joined the
Housewives because she believed it would be an exceptionally campy
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thing to do, and it is, and she's incredibly, incredibly
wealthy from gambling professionally. So part of the great moments
that I've seen so far is like she will come
into the Housewives space with a handbag and then all
the two camera bits just all the other housewives going,
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you don't understand that fucking hamdbag is like a million
dollar piece of handbag that they only made like two of.
So I need to check in properly rather than just
watching bits on tap.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
I also watch Survivor. I've been a long time fan
of Survivor since the beginning I will say that the
most recent season, forty seven was instantly one of the
best seasons in the show's history. I'd say it's a
top twelve season, top ten season, one of the best
new casts we've seen, and it's clearly, clearly, clearly. Season
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forty was kind of like a big demarcation point for
the show, in which they took all they did like
a basically a winners only season. Everybody who was on
that season had had won a previous season, and since
then they've done all new casts and this is the
best post forty season, season forty seven. So you can
probably watch that on Paramount Plus if you have if
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you have your paramoun Plus subscription.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
You can also. I was gonna say join on Discord
because people, we have a Survivor channel and there are
a lot of surviv aheads in the Discord.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Now here's the level of Survivor fan I am. I pay? Well,
should I admit this? Actually there's nobody I pay for
a VPN so that I can watch Australian Survivor. It
is basically the only thing I use it for.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
I love that so much. If anyone has a problem
with that, just send Jason the episode.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah, the new season on ten play coming out in
twenty twenty five. They've only said, but it looks like
a pretty big deal this upcoming season. I believe it's
a Survivor Mamia. It is a It is a brains
versus bron so basically a smart people versus muscleheads. Here's
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the thing about him Bo. Here's what I'll say about
Australian Survivor. I watch it on the tenplay website, which
has a lot of great reality show content from that
part of the world, Asia and the surrounding areas. I
will here's the one thing about that's funny about Tenplay.
Every so often, when I log in to watch an
episode of Australian Survivor, it'll ask me, Hey, you're not
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using a VPN, are you, And I will be like no,
I click no, of course not, okay, No, I live
I live in Brisbane. What are you talking about? I
eat it hungry Jacks like everybody else. I love hungry Jacks.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, like I just love Australia.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I've learned a lot about Australian culture through the commercials
on the on the ten play app. But I will
say Aushan Survivor is very very good. It incredible production value.
There is something I think about Australian culture in which
an American Survivor. It's about the every person. Every you
get a person from every kind of walk of life,
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young student, the retired homemaker, the news anchor person, the
blue collar delivery person, right gay straight on Australian Survivor.
It's very important number one that everybody be like pretty
physically fit. So even like the older characters who they've
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had on the show are like two time Olympian gold
medalists who swung the swum the English channel several times
when they were like younger and are still in incredible shape.
They have had like multiple whatever their football is over there,
like multiple times all stars in AFL or whatever their
(54:38):
version of Australian football is over there. So they'll have
like these incre like surfer professional surfers, and it's much
more like physically based, like there's a lot of like
heavy duty. They love to see people like slamming into
each other. That said, really really fun show with some
wonderful scheming and some great characters. Shout out to King
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George of Survivor, who are incredible one of the greatest
Survivor players ever. But those are the ones I watch.
Do you watch any reality TV? Oh and vander Pump
Rules obviously.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah. My sister and some of my best friends are
very into reality TV, so I have gotten into it.
I would say the big ones at the moment, any
of the selling Sunset franchise. My sister is extremely into those.
So there was a recent new one that started selling
the city all about New York, which if you thought
that LA prices were horrific, wait until you watch they're
(55:33):
selling the city. It's grotesque. That's nine million dollar listing. Yeah,
I'm also a big fan. These are a more standard
network fair but I love like a cooking show. I
watch a lot of like you know, guys, grocery games
and stuff like that, less ongoing lore in those shows.
British Show, Great British Baking show. I love that. I
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love these kind of older British as like Rick Stein.
That motherfucker's going to some nice places he's seeing like
he's like my secret France and you're like, yeah, but
just never watch him go outside of europecause then you're
like you're an old white guy. I don't know if
this was the best choice for you. Another big one
has definitely been As I was saying, I do watch
a lot of like old reality TV shows, but my
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sister did and many of my friends implored me to
watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Have you watched that, Jason,
So you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. It's
actually it's intentionally made as a second screen show because
this is the setup for the show. It follows a
(56:36):
group of Mormon Mum influencers after they implode when they
get caught in the midst of a swinging sex scandal.
But the show is not The show is set afterwards,
but there is no season about it. You have to
go on TikTok. You have to go on the internet
and read about the law of the swinging sex scandal
(56:58):
to watch the show about the four out. My sister
knew all about the sex scandal from TikTok beforehand, so
that was a very unique situation. And if any of
you have been seeing the trend at the moment for
dirty sodas, they've just started opening dirty soda shops in LA.
This is something that comes from the Mormon community because
these women cannot drink so they'd be going out, Jason,
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and they're swinging with their friends, husbands or whatever. Good
for them. I love that for you, that's fine. But
what I do not condone is that they go into
like a you know, a raceway or racetrack or whatever
your seven eleven equivalent is, and they make like a soda,
but they put like creamer in it, and they put
like marshmallow fluff in it, and they may derange old
(57:43):
school egg cream, kind of like an egg cream, but
like a new version. And it's because they can't drink,
they make these deranged things. So they'll go and they'll
get a coke and it will have like seven pumps
of cherry marshmallow fluff. That was what really shocked me
about that show, not the swinging sex scandal, and that
has actually been so popular on Hulu that they're now
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going to start playing it on ABC at ten PM
on Mondays from like the twenty seventh, so next next week. Yeah,
so very interesting. I'm definitely I'm a reality TV like
I'm a newbie. I'm on the edge, but any of
the big ones vand of Pump Rules, I have some
of my best friends loved that show, so I got
very into it on the season after the cheating scandal,
(58:26):
the Scandalval scandal, of course, and I deeply deeply hate
that guy.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Tom Tom Sandoval. See him on the Traders. Sure you
can go watch him on Traders, and it's great.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
It's everything's really an evil passic. Also another one that
is like one of those shows where I feel bad
when I watch it because I know it's just not
a well, like it's not a healthy environment for anyone
on the show. But Nightie Day Fiance another one that
my sister is very very into that if it's on,
I will occasionally watch. But that's one of those ones
where I literally, like Bad Girls Club, I'm feeling guilty
(59:04):
because I'm like, I know, there was no duty of
care like that get paid like night that get paid
like ninety dollars a day for incidentals and they are
probably being plied with alcohol and booze and just making
like terrible decisions. But ironically, I actually indulge in most
reality TV watching via like Instagram or TikTok because of
(59:25):
the clips. So yeah, that's it. Do you like reality TV?
I would say, like, hit us up if you do,
because our discord definitely does, and it's fun to talk
about different kinds of TV and the way different kinds
of TV gets made. So I'm stoked that we were
able to do a little winter reality TV check in.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
In the next few episodes of Extra Vision, We're swinging
with your friendly neighborhood spider Man, first animated Spider Man
project from Marvel Studios. And that's it to this episode.
Thanks for listening, Bye x ray Vision is hosted by
Jason Sepsion and Rosie Knight and is a production of
iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Cole.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi our discord moderator.
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Jason Concepcion
Rosie Knight
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