September 12, 2025 • 54 mins
In this week’s roundtable chat, Jason and Rosie are first joined by Joelle to talk about Emmy predictions and possible surprises. They bring in our producer, Abu, to discuss the lawsuit against MidJourney that WB has begun due to its blatant use of their IP., We close out with our summer streaming wrapped and our TGIF weekend plans! See you tomorrow for NEWS!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Worning today's episode, it doesn't really contain spoilers.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is x RGC.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hello, my name is Jasoncepcio and I'm Rosie Knight, and
welcome to x RGC, our weekly roundtable group chat with
our producers and or special guests talk about all the
things that we are excited about watching accent.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, in today's episode, it's getting business y and the
g r C we are the busy Menie uh, We're
gonna be talking about the Emmys with Joel. The Creative
Emmys have happened. The real Emmys, as people may say,
the main primetime Emmys are coming up. Shot me, cut me,
cut me, cut me, guys. I will probably maybe win
(01:01):
a Primetime Emmy one day. Sorry guys, Warner Bros. Versus AI. Finally,
Aboo will be joining us for that summer streaming wraps.
Joel will be back, and Common will be joining us,
and then of course we will end with thank Galactus.
It's Friday. Everyone will share what they're most excited to
do this weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
But first let's welcome super bruder Joel to talk about
the entertainment, the busy meeses, Heymmys, which are coming up
in a few days recording this on Wednesday. The Emmys
will grace your TV screens this weekend, and let's talk
about the Emmys mainly. Does anybody care the Emmys relevant?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Does anybody care?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
What's up with the Joel? What's up with the Emmy? Yeah?
Let me give you my standard shpiel on award ceremony.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I went went on NPR, I got my asstituded out
for my thoughts on this, but I'll show you them here.
I think award ceremonies are really important, but not for
any industry reason.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I don't think. I think it matters on two fronts.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
When it matters if you are at all interested in
entering this industry and you have no idea where to start.
I feel like my whole film education started because of
the Oscars. It gave me just a starting point. It
is not the end all be all of an education. Frequently,
there's a lot of reasons why people get nominated. There's
a lot of films that get dismissed and overlooked, but
it is a great place to start in education, and
(02:24):
so I think that's important. And then I also think
they're important because, especially for your fringe actors, that's your
actors of color, your openly queer actors, etc. If you
secure one of these, it can be extremely helpful in
making sure that you get better profit margins.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Not always.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
We all know Halle Berry really struggled after winning her Oscar.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, there is an Oscar curse.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
But on occasion, these things can happen, and I think
that's really beautiful. I also think, just from a communal perspective,
it is like Listen Awards started as a way to
like sort of diminish union power, which blows.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But also when you come together as.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
A community and you get to celebrate each other's works
and stuff, I think that.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Could be really great.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I don't believe in a best of strategy for a
wife so many awards thoughts. I think best of is stupid.
I think you should do superlatives. I just wish every
year we'd be like most inventive, craziest use of blood,
like just can't make it.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Also, like that's where.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Those kind of great you know, ensembles can come in
as well, Like if you do that because okay, so Joelle.
For people who don't understand or aren't aware, there are
actually two emmy yes, oh like award shows, right, and
we just had our first one, which was the Primetime
and Creative Arts Emmy winners, and that I think was
(03:37):
maybe surprising to some people because, for example, they revealed
the Outstanding Guest Stars, even though some of those were
some of the bigger name hits. So we had Merit
Weaver who won for Severance. We had oh Sean Hatosi,
who if you love Zero's Horror or nineties horror like
the Faculty, you will know as Sean from the Faculty.
(04:01):
He was in the Pit. He won Outstanding Guest Actor
in a Drama Series, And most notably and most talked
about was Brian Cranston winning Outstanding Guest Actor in a
Comedy Series for the Studio. I believe the Studio won
nine Emmys at the Creative Arts and Primetime Emmy. So
could you talk a little bit about the difference between
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those and what people could expect to see when they
watch the Emmys that will get televised compared to these Emmys,
which include such things as like Best Made for TV Movie,
which rebull Ridge run, which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So Jason, the guy currently holding his Emmy, it's very
interesting to be here, winner.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, I wanted to say that one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I semi agree, and I do understand why I am
pr roasted you a little bit about your take it,
but I don't disagree. I don't fully disagree, but I
will say this when I was up for when I
was nominated for the Sports Emmy, so let me just
be clear.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's a Sports Emmy, which is the.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Potentially the easiest one to win. When I was up
for the Sports Emmy for me and my co creator
Jason Gallagher for NBA Desktop, we got some really good
advice from you know, a producer who has produced a
lot of stuff, and he was like, you know, we
(05:31):
were like, this is fun, but like what is it?
Does it really matter? Like is it really a big deal?
And he said, listen, here's the thing about the Emmy
is being nominated or winning. Once you're there on that
level of you're getting nominated for stuff or you win,
you immediately in the eyes of quote unquote the industry.
And this is why I do think it is important
(05:53):
become a real person, like a real figure within the
industry because now in all of your bio stuff, in
the first paragraph, it's gonna say Emmy winner, blah, blah blah, and.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's kind of a fake thing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's kind of it's obviously like a form of inter
industry marketing and a very self congratulatory type of dynamic,
but it's also true like after that you end up
getting meetings because you're Emmy winner blah blah blah. And yeah,
when you say that in a meeting, suddenly it feels
like it really helps bolster your feelings of like imposter syndrome,
(06:39):
because now you've got this thing that says, oh, you
did a thing that people react is an actual thing.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, because you have, in order to.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Get nominated, like enough people, because the voting pool for
the Emmys is gargantulan, so like enough people have to
like have seen your stuff, liked it enough, known a
little bit about you, and then you have to win
the overall. Like it's a lot of efforts eat just
to get nominated, I think. And so yeah, I can
imagine that that sticks with you. It'll be like the
first thing in your obituary, Like it's a huge thing.
(07:08):
I also think, you know, there's something kind of interesting
to me about nominations. So I wanted to ask you guys,
with the studio being number one this year and projected
to be number one overall by the end of Sunday Night.
Every time there's a show about making movies or television,
people have very strong feelings about whether it's appropriate to
(07:32):
be Is this just Hollywood's joking itself?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Is this?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I think it's a really well made show and super funny,
and I liked it, But I was curious what your guys'
thoughts are on shows movies that talk about the industry
and then are celebrated.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that the reality is that that is like,
you know, coming out in LA and being like, why
is it sunny? Like that Shit's always gonna happen, like
it's happened throughout history in every single award ceremony. The
Oscars loves a movie. Think about the ARTI the artist,
(08:08):
you know, movies that take over. I think the bigger
issue is and I love the studio. I actually think, honestly,
I think it deserves all the accolades because I just
think it was so well done. Technically, it's hilarious if
you live here. It is a very in the in
the kind of weeds and inside baseball of everyday life
in LA. But the issue I have with those kind
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of nominations, is they only ever really center on one
group of people, which is white people? Because when Dolomite
is My Name was made, which was.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
You know, this is my biggest platform scream ever. I'm like,
this is an excellent, nearly perfect film that nobody talked about.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Unbelievable comeback performance by Eddie Murphy in a dramatic role, Charlie.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Class role, I think, or the movie's dedicated to charge.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, so beautiful. Also like one of the most beautifully
put together costuming departments by Ruth Katta, Like that movie
was filmed in guardian A cinema. That movie is about
a true rebel and weirdo in Hollywood, And if that
mill had been about white Hollywood, then it probably would
(09:17):
have gotten nomb And I think that is one of
the biggest snubs that, unfortunately for me, makes it like
that's when I start having an issue with the inside Hollywood.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Like we got really great like young new actors, returns
of old actors.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
So yes, I totally take your point. I just really
wanted to quickly also talk about our close calls and
see where you.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Guys are landing ones.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Okay, So Variety put together a list of their closest.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Calls, and this is what they came up with.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They said the most difficult races to predict are leading
acting categories for limited series, which are coin floats between
Colin Farrell for The Penguin and Stephen Graham for adolescence,
and then for the women Michelle Williams for Dying for
Sex and Christi Malatti for The Penguin. Between those two,
where do you think the Academy's gonna land?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And where would you land?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think the Academy is probably I love Michelle Williams,
She's great and everything. If they're going to pick between
a genre show that is based on comic books or
something that's based on a book about a woman who's
dying of cancer, they are going to probably choose a
woman who's dying of cancer. I don't think that Milotti
is going to get it for killing a bunch of
people in a beautiful, beautiful ball gown, but I would
(10:34):
love to see that. Malotti is my pit. But I
think Michelle Williams is probably going to get it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think that's probably right for the very obvious reasons.
And I think similarly, but deservedly. Stephen Graham is going to.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Win for adolescents.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, he will, he.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Will, and I think and I think, by the way, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Deserved because he's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's not just uh, you know, in the thing, but
he is the creator of the of the series and
it was probably one of the most emotionally harrowing. Yeah,
and also talked about and important you know, underline piece
of like show or anything really that came out in
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the last calendar year. So I think Stephen Graham's kind
of gonna walk with that one.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I think I love it.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Let's do one more and then we'll get out of here.
So there are other close call categories include the Supporting
Drama Actor, Severance actors versus the White Lotus actors who
are splitting the category, or Supporting Comedy Actress. Five of
seven omnies appear to have a path to victory, and
guest drama actor character actors versus established actors.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Who do you think comes out on top?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Severance and the White Lotus both had huge years this year,
really talked about series, both had big growth in audience views.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Which one do you think will come?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And HBO, who frequently has led in most wins at
the end, isn't even like predicted to be in the
top two this year. I think they're looking at eyeing
number three. So curious you think Severance at Apple TV?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Is this a new.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Streaming era or should we go White Lotus and there
and keep it traditional with HBO.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
My thought is yeah. My thought is that Apple does
not reach these heights very often critically, and they've got
more money than literally every other company on Earth. And
I think if they cared about playing the f YC game,
they could throw a rounding error type amount at FYC
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promotion at Severance because this is their chance and that
they should win. So I think it's going to be
Severance if Apple knows at all what it's doing and
is playing the game correctly in any capacity at all time.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I agreeingly Weird I really wanted to win.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I agree, though, I do think that for some of
the academy who probably haven't actually watched Severance, I do
think that White Lotus has the beautiful locations, the good
looking stars, the easy on the eye. It's HBO, it's
their Sunday show, So I think that it's going to
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be closer than we expect. I do think Severance deserves it,
because I did think this season of White Lotus was
really incredibly written and had a lot of kind of
interesting tropes I enjoy, like the Revenge through La Trope
and stuff like that. But Severance is just such an
utterly unique show. I would love to see it. You know,
get those wins. Let me just before we leave, do
(13:35):
you guys? This was a big conversation topic of conversation
between me and my friend Abby, who is another fantastic
journalist when we were away on a work trip recently.
Should there be a limit on how many times shows
can be nominated at something like this? I think that
there is an argument for it because a show like
(13:57):
you know, the Bear, which gets nominated a million, fourteen
times every time? Is that taking away opportunities for other
shows like Interview with the Vampire.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Let's not forget what Modern Family did to that race
for so long?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
What a mess?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of One issue with The.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Bear is not its continuous nominations. It is its existence
in the comedy, where it is, you know, actually taking
opportunities from actual that have jokes in them, like it
is not. I don't think capping is necessarily the right
(14:38):
solution for this. Just get them out of comedy, put them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
To worry about this, Yeah, because I'm I just think
a lot about Jacob Anderson and Sam Reid and interviewing
the Vampire, and I really feel like post season two
that should have been the time that they were getting
the nominations, that they were getting recognized, and oftentimes when
you have the spected shows that there isn't necessarily like
a lot of space left. Also, Joelle, can you quickly
(15:07):
just go over what Variety's top ten most winning networks
are because it's kind of insane if we compare it
to ten years ago, because it's just all it's Yeah,
the projected dominant streaming services.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They think Netflix is gonna win, which at one point
in time was not impossible. That's crazy. Apple TV, which
again to Jason's point, doesn't usually do well. They're predicting
they're gonna walk away with twenty four. They think HBO
Max will hit third with twenty three, so really tight
race between one, two and three, and then way down
to the list NBC with eleven, Disney Plus with six,
Peacock with five, FX, ABC and CB. Sorry Peacock FX
(15:45):
ABC with five CBS and Prime Video with three Prime
Video given the fact that you Netflix and Apple are
your main.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Competition, gotta get it whipped in shape over there, hot mess.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Crazy that there's such a big drop between three and
four and NBC is off first like Lennear Network that
we get on it, which is predominantly gonna be for
Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Anyway, Joel, what's your big prediction.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh, My big prediction is scarcely.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Prediction is the views will continue to go down until
we can figure out how to make award shows better.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think Matt and Bowen.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Hey, iHeart fam did a really interesting thing this year
by creating their own show with what superlatives. They were
not concerned about years or time frame or anything.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I would like more award shows like that. Please.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Here's my prediction, Matt and Bowen will be producing the
Emmys within five years, absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Take a break and we'll be back.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm gonna be talking AI.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Let's welcome super producer Aboo to the program to talk
about the latest ongoings in the legal battle between some
of the entertainment's biggest studios against mid Journey an a
company that you may be aware of because of their
(17:29):
ability to produce images that look exactly like or very
similar to images from Warner Brothers, Disney, and so on.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Boo, welcome to.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Hi, super glad to be here. I'm also an AI agent.
By the way, if I say anything today, it's just
it's a hallucination.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, cool, understandable, I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So, yeah, what's going on with this case?
Speaker 8 (18:01):
So the news that sparked this discussion today is basically,
Warner Brothers has joined in on this copyright battle that
other studios are currently having with mid Journey. Mid Journey
being the AI image generation tool, and Warner Brothers has
sued mid Journey basically alleging that the platform knowingly creates
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these images of copyrighted characters. Right, Superman, Batman, Bugs, Bunny,
Tom and Jerry. You can just ask mid Journey to
make images of those characters that are Warner Brothers property.
And the other two studios that have similar lawsuits against
mid Journey are Disney and Universal. So we're talking big, big,
big Hollywood studios going after interestingly sort of like a
(18:52):
mid size AI company, right, this is not the big
AI companies that most people think when they think AI,
this is not a chat GPT lawsuit. This is not
a Claude or a Google Gemini lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing to me.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think it's from the outset. Mid Journey has been
at the front of generative AI imagery and I think
like we have seen the quality of that grow. And
I also will say the note about this specific lawsuit
that is really interesting is really a question of mid
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Journey's argument that this is fair use, because what they
show multiple times in reporting around this lawsuit is like
if you ask them to make if you ask mid
Journey to make like a gritty Batman, it's essentially just
a still all a Warner Brothers movie. That's the biggest
issue is they are.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Also examples example live. The examples that are in the
court filings are even I think more or even stronger
than that, because what we've seen in the core filings
is people have put in like the prompt will be
something that doesn't even mention the specific character or ID
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will just be like classic comic book battle. Yeah, then
it will produce Batman verus Superman looking like a still
from an animated you know, DCEU DC animated series, And
of course part of the problem is these things are Yeah.
I think the CEO is quoted in several of the
(20:33):
stories that you can read about this talking about like
how they just had their large language model, large image model,
whatever gobble up everything that's out there on the Internet
so that it could digest it and reproduce it according
to the prompts that are used. So yeah, I think
the part of the interesting thing to me is that
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this feels like this feels like the first move.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You go at the company that's one not as well funded,
not as big, and that is really creating stuff that
seems to even like the lay person like oh yeah,
that looks exactly like Batman, that that looks.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Target them to get hopefully a win on the books
so that you could then go at chat, GPT or
Claude created by Google some of these bigger players and
then try to force the concessions from them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Okay, let me ask you this a boo. Is there
also a world whether reason that that, because this to me,
you know, all of this feels a little bit late.
If you've been in the AI conversation and been going, hey,
why aren't these big companies season assisting them. We know
Disney season assists people who put Winnie the Pooh on
a kid's gravestone. Like, why aren't they see some assisting this?
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And I think for a long time time the assumption was, well,
they want to find a way that AI can fit
into their business model and save their money. Right, is
there a version of this? Why the reason that these
companies are suing mid Journey is because they want to
settle and use mid Journey within their own companies. Like,
do you think there's a version of it where that
is what they're aiming for here? Because you guys are right,
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this is not the biggest name to go after.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Yes, And I think that's another aspect of this rosie
that you're touching on that's really interesting because there is
this sort of weird tug and pull of the industry
trying to figure out how AI could be useful theoretically, right,
Like that comes with a thousand caveats, but ultimately like,
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is there a bottom line benefit to starting to use
AI in our productions?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
At the same time, there is, according to these lawsuits
and according to what they're alleging, copyright in front happening
by these AI tools, and so there is some mixed messaging.
I found a really interesting quote in a BBC article
from Disney's chief legal officer, Ratio Gutierrez. I want to
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share that because it kind of illustrates this talking out
of both then to your mouth problem from the studios here.
The chief legal officer said that the Disney the firm
is optimistic about using AI and like are very pro
quote unquote responsibly using the AI to further human creativity.
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But quote piracy is piracy, and the fact that it's
done by an AI company does not make it any
less infringing end quote.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So it's like the.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, I get so. Mid Journey's lawyers have also argued
the same thing. They've said that essentially the studios are
trying to have it both ways, using AI tools while
trying to punish a popular AI service. I would liken
that argument to like, oh, I see you own guns,
but now you have a problem with me going out
and shooting someone in the street.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Exactly argument, Like does it really work?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But I do agree that I think the end state
here because AI as a technology you're kind of zooming
out is a important to various economies around the world
as people race to do to create this, and.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So I think that there's no there's no reality.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
In which mid Journey goes away or Chatch TBT goes
away or hobbled in.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Any meaningful way.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think what you will see is mid Journey will
have to pay a sizable licenseese going exactly. It'll be
like a yearly or every five years, huge fee for
them to continue to produce the results that they are producing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, I think is where exactly we are headed.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But the idea that like, oh, you're trying to have
it both ways. No, it's like I'm not trying to
have a both ways.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I'm just we aren't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't want to be.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I don't want to be the one that stands up
for the studios. But it does feel like, you know,
very clearly you fed your algorithm this stuff and it's
not producing this stuff. Yeah, and you did it without
license from the from the people we.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Know that this, Like the the way that a generative
AI was trained is like essentially a plagiarism machine. Like
everybody knows that. I mean, guys, I wrote a book once,
an entire book, and it was completely colored under fair
use but it ended up that there was a certain
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studio that wasn't happy about the way that the book
was put together, so they went to a publisher and
the book never came out Like this is this is
should not have surprised the AI companies. This is something
that is so much precedent throughout the history of Hollywood,
like it was never gonna happen where I'm sure that
they Disney was like, it's fine, just use Mickey Mouse
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for free, Like that was never gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I think that I'm sure that some portion of their
operating budget is earmarked for lawsuits, yes when they started.
And I think also we need to understand like the
culture of tech is kind of like capitalism on steroids,
which is do the illegal shit so quickly that by
(26:27):
the time people catch on, you're so established that people
are like, well, this is actually doing something that is valuable.
So it was illegal, but now let's figure out how
to work it in zoo. I mean, you know, you
could just look at the history of the country is
like is the expansion of the country was like various
(26:48):
legal treaties were signed with indigenous peoples, but then we
found gold or we found the oil or we found whatever,
and then people went in illegally and started getting the
gold out, and then we went, well, that looks like
a pretty valuable mine over there. Let's figure out how
to make that work within the framework of laws. And
I think that's what will happen. They will figure out
(27:08):
how to make this all work. The one thing that
I do, I just want to say, like, the one
thing that is talking out of both sides of the
mouth to me and that makes me roll my eyes
is the statements by the studios where they're like, we
just want to protect the hard working art correct, we
know that protect them their blood, sweated.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Tears, and that's ex.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Exact.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's that's the silliest stuff as well, because you're like, yeah,
they're literally just exploiting the same people and the same
you guys and people.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
People to exploit.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's also like and there was like, oh my god,
and we had to pay this person to exploit You're
doing it for free, Like how did this happen?
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Yeah, I think that. I think that like perfectly illustrates
this chas and like there are no heroes and villains here.
The studios are not the heroes who are being set
upon by the AI companies, and the AI companies are villains,
and in my opinion that like the studios are actually
quite pro AI. They just want to make for this ship.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like they're just like that's what the real truth is.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Then the devil is like ultimately in the details of
all of this and where we are in uncharted territory
like you illustrated Chase, and like we basically are trying
to establish what fair use is for these AI companies,
how the studios and the AI companies are going to
establish things like licensing agreements, which there is no precedent for.
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All of these precedents have to like be created and ultimately,
like that is the purpose of lawsuits like this is
this is this is like the first lob in a
long war that is going to establish the legal precedent
for this.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Sort of I.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Think where we're going right is like the dream slash
nightmare scenario is one day in the future you will
be able to like type into some large language model
star wars but starring the Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's basically what they want it and it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Will create a two hour movie or whatever, an hour
or a half hour animated series in which you know,
Bart Simpson is Luke Skywalker. The difference will be that
every stakeholder in that will get some sort of like
they will pay, They will pay Warner Brothers, they will
pay Matt Groening, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I think that's what will happen.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, I just I just want to say before we leave,
I want to there is some reporting around this stuff,
especially with an upcoming project. Open Ai is developing a
feature link movie animated using AI technology. This was a
Wall Street Jannal piece. But the funny thing is that
like they're reporting around this, I feel is doing that
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classic kind of like they're they're trying to create consent
for something that doesn't need to be consented to by
the public, where it's like they're like, this project will
dramatically reduce costs. It's gonna be made for under thirty
million dollars. Guess what flow one an oscar four million dollars,
Spirit it Away twenty two million dollars. Like what about
(30:25):
any Satoshi Cone movie made for two to three million dollars?
Like I think that the way money is and the
way they're reporting on this stuff, they're going to act
like it's cutting costs but the people who are actually
out there, Studio Saloon, incredible anime companies like you know,
Studio Sara and stuff. I think that there are people
who can make these movies and make stuff for cheaper,
(30:49):
and I think that it's better quality stuff. So I
kind of am always wary of when a studio is like, yeah,
this is gonna cost so much less, and variety just
or Wall Street channels like yeah, yes it will cost less,
rather than like laying out the animation can actually and
is actually because people are underpaid. Has always been made
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for under thirty million dollars, like in a lot of cases.
And I think that sadly, their plan is, well, if
we can do it for that cheap, we don't have
to have creators involved. But alas as we know that, well.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
The Paddington writers are writing that movie, So.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Paddington three, it's a very different situation. Paddington more than two.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But like quality movies.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
But already they're unable to create that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I will add that in that story, it's very
vague about like what the percentage of actual AI is
in the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Anyway they say it, yeah, it's going to be largely
created with AI technology.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That means.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
We'll see will it really get into can Film Festival.
That will be an interesting year on the crossings people,
big boos are going to be coming big.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, let's take our quick break and we'll be back
with our summers streaming. Let's welcome super producer Joel.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
You guys. Okay.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So I put this in the producers Group chat and
I wanted to bring it onto XRGC and I'm continue
to be frustrated. Since two thousand and eleven, I have
been asking streaming companies to put together playlists so that
we could watch our shows out of order like regular TV,
so I don't have to select my shows and I
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don't have to binge. But there's no intermedia. You just
have to do it yourself. And then I was like, well,
you know, Spotify does these rap years wrapped things at
the end of every year where they're like, this is
what you listen to you most this year, this is
your point one percent most listened like performer or whatever.
And I was like, man, if I had this for
any of my streaming apps, I would both be embarrassed
(33:13):
and surprised.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I think, so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Mine, Well I will, so I will tell you that
I think that this is a great idea for a
little summer streaming. Wrapped, while we pick off face, I
will say, if you are a cinephile movie lover, let
a box does have a version of this where you
can look at your own stats.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Also, then you have to manually input.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yes, you have to.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
I am lazy.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm a little confused too about something else, like so
you want basically like TV on streaming where there's just
a thing on, okay, and it's off of your tastes.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
So if they would introduce me because Criaturian.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And Amazon Prime, do you have that feature? I just
wanted to let you know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'm not okaya. I feel like Pluto TV and that
kind of stuff like Act.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wait, Criterion to None of them are based off your
things you like, but it's live television basically.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
See that's not the same thing. So I have Venture.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Disney Plus also has that where they're like, if you
like this thing, you could just watch it.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
No, I'm talking.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
About like a playlist for example, I can do I
have a playlist that is just albums I like, and
then I just hit shuffle and the songs are just
coming up at random and it's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I know, I like these albums. It's lovely.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Imagine if I'm chilling at home Hulu so many options.
Maybe I get Alien or episode, then I get a
Bob's Burger's, then I get like the Kardashians. If that's
the thing my cousin watches my HULUSA, they're frequently on there, listen.
I just think that there's something really beautiful about like
you have all these shows, you're constantly on our app Anyway,
a lot of people just put things onto the background.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
For their dog. I just think, like, we have some
options here, make me a playlist.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So are you just sat as?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Then with the category the tile category, broadly, I would
broadly call it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Like we think you'll love this, yeah, yeah, you know
on net m okay, I.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Love a recommendation section, right, But I think the tiles
are limiting because you're just getting endless scroll and.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
It's not really helpful.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I think I like HBO has done a really interesting
thing where they were like this is the Miyazaki section,
Like if you just want DC, you can.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Go there, and that's a little bit more helpful.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
But I don't think we've really updated.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Like even just our Internet spaces, like how we navigate
on the I.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Just think there's we could be much more creative. Uh,
and we're not there yet. So anyway, I was thinking
about the Spotify rap and I was like, huh, I
have some questions. Uh, Spotify, does this is your genres?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
You're most listening to? Genres?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
And I was curious for you guys, if you were
to have an app rap at the end of the
year for your television watching or even maybe just for
this summer, Like, what would the categories for you?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Carmen, Let's start with you.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Yeah, thank you. This is something you know.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
We talked about a little bit about this yesterday and
I started to really think about it, and I was like,
what is you know, what are.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
My watching habits?
Speaker 11 (36:12):
And obviously I have a lot of streaming habits that
are related to X ray vision, so I'm watching a
lot of the shows that we're talking about on the pod.
But I realized, like, I watch more YouTube than probably anything.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You're not Alone. You're not Alone. I believe that's one
of the most beautiful football watch.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Yeah, and so I gave myself like the streaming genre
label of like horror, true crime and a reverence slop,
but the horror and the true crime has to be
like from a very specific era. It has to be
nineties television error horror and true crime.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
And so.
Speaker 11 (36:52):
I would say, like, that's my genre label. The top
one percent that I think I would fall into because
I so frequently put this on to nap too and
I wake up in like four episodes have already passed.
Is either unsolved mysteries or forensic files. I know for
a classic.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Embodying the lives of many women.
Speaker 11 (37:17):
I had to think about it too. I was like,
why do I like falling asleep to that? And I
realized it's those voices.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
But he didn't realize the killer was right outside.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, exactly. Very relaxing, Joe.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
She went to work that morning.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Everything felt fine.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It was it was a normal day, Joel. What would
your streaming genre label be and what would the property
that you were in the top one percent of.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
I'm gonna do like Harmon did, because I like that
you had, you had two regulars, and then a Netflix
style category appreciated. So I think adult animation would definitely
be up there, and then I think like Prestige TV.
I kind of just vacillate between the two. But if
I was going to go with a Netflix thing, I
would be like, uh, angry women over forty.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Trying to figure out their lives es an angry woman program.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
She has the right angry be angry, and she should
be at my point one percent, I think, surprising no
one on this show Bob's Burgers, Do I sing?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Right? That's who recently started this thing where they were like,
they cut off the credits at the end.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Are you disrupting the unique song they put at the
end of each episode? Like Bob creates an original burger
in every episode.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
How dare you? I don't like it?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I turn that off.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I have to listen to the whole song. Love me
some Bobs?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Rosie Categories and your point one percent show?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Okay, well, my point one percent show is definitely murder.
She wrote, I have present show every day and I
go to sleep. We all know there is a murder.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
She wrote.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Twenty four to seven channel on TV as also on
book and on Google. They have all of those. There
is a Midsummer Murders twenty four hour a day channel.
That's another one of my favorite ones. That's like, that's
a brit really weird, campy British one with crazy guest
stars Olivia Coleman or Anno Bloom like everyone's been in
(39:35):
the show. I will say, obviously love TV, cover a
lot of TV on this pod, but I am a
solid at home movie watcher. If I'm not covering the show,
I am mostly movies. So my theme this year, according
to Letterbox, is I have the most movies I've watched
(39:55):
this year are sixty films in the genre of horror,
the Undead Monsters, and my second forty three films Epic Heroes.
So you know, I think it's very as as is expected.
But yeah, I mean my most watched film this year
because it's one of my like ultimate comfort films is Wicked,
(40:17):
since I've watched it six times this year, holding space. Yeah,
I'm holding space, can't help. Four times I've watched the
Minecraft movie. Can you tell? I have lots of nieces
and nephews three times, ranking Embasses, the Hobbit three times,
Capop Demon Hunters three times weapons.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
So those are my weapons three times two those are.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Currently weapons family.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Over here, those are my those are my current my
current tops, and I'm averaging around forty two movies per month,
so you can tell things about great and my app Wow. Yeah,
I watch movies all day every day while I work.
It's It's all I do pretty much when I'm not
recording the podcast. So, Jason, what do you think? What's
your TVY wrap up? Your streaming wrap up?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
My point zero zero one viewing rating is going to
be uh, And I think this is going to be
indicative of a lot of my tastes. It is going
to be ken Burns the Civil War documentary. It's a
highly listen I I fully acknowledge the but it's dad
(41:23):
programming and something about it. I put it on and
it soothes me, and I can do.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
All this stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's so good to that is way too boring for me,
but I was The Vietnam One is also a one
that I can just like have on.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Okay, So let's just go through my.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We think you'll love these Netflix on that Flix Hostiles,
the I'm gonna I'm gonna characterize this as.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
War crime and comedy.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
That's what, Okay, we forget like that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
So Hostiles, this is a western uh starring Uh looks
like to be Christian Bale.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You are getting datted up and I'm getting a lot
of Dad.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Blow the Johnny Depp Penelope Cruise Cocaine seventies cocaine smuggler movie,
which I've seen.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I didn't think was that good turning point. The Vietnam War.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Oh Jensen, take me with you.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
She's a stand up, very very talented stand.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Up Kax.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
The least said out of the Vetter train Wreck poop Cruise.
And I've got the number of the high school, like waiting,
I've got waiting in the wings for this.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Weekend, maybe the most thing this year that's coming.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yes, I've already had it spoiled the if, if such
a thing can be spoiled.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Not it won't make your enjoyment about any less.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Or we think you'll love these untamed I don't know
what that is Quarterback Uh Devo the documentary about Devo.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, okay, zero zero Day.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
The Hateful Eight, Candle her A lot of war stuff you.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Have, Jason, Yeah, right?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
How many children are in this house only?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So it's basically like a lot of stuff that I
can have on where it's like did I just miss
was I like checked out for twenty minutes of Happy
Gilmour too?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
But now I'm going to watch it for fen minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And then back exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So that's that's my.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
That's what Netflix, that's second streaming.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
I have one more category before we exit here, and
that category it's an interesting and challenging one. So you
could kind of take it as you want. But you
get artists in your Spotify rapt like this your most
listened to artists, and so I was curious, is there
a creator or performer that you think would pop up
most in your wrapt? I think mine would be Kevin
(44:11):
Michael Richardson.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Uh, He's a voice actor. He does like eighty nine
projects a year.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
I feel like I listened to a ton of them,
So I'm like, I think they're definitely gonna be A
voice actor is gonna be my top and I would
pick him, Karen, what about you?
Speaker 11 (44:27):
Mine are definitely gonna have to be Trixie Mattel and
katiasmal So watch everything that they put out. A lot
of my contents that I.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
Watch is outside of works and stuff and boyfriend.
Speaker 11 (44:39):
I have boyfriend category, I have work category, and then
I have Karmen alone time category.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
And everybody's division of watching the people I live with
watching watching.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
But when I watching It's Tricksy and Katia. I will
literally I will put on episodes of Uh. I will
put on episodes of The Balls in the Beautiful. I
will just watched anything that they're doing because they're make me.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
They're so funny.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Rosie, what about go ahead, Rosie?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, well I can again thank you to Letterbox. I
am not sponsored, but if you'd like to sponsor me
or the podcast, I am a I'm a letter Box patron.
I pay my pay my money every year so I
can use it without ads and get my stats because
this is the thing I know who. My most watched
performers of this year so far have been Christopher Lee
in six movies, so that's probably because I've been watching
(45:30):
a lot of Hammer, Horror, Ron Perlman, five movies, probably
B movies and hell Boy, which I rewatch a lot,
and then fourth She'll be going up because I love
to watch a movie. Pam Grea, I watch a lot
of There Is a There is a. They have a fast,
free ad supported television channel now called Pam Gria's Soul Flicks,
(45:51):
and all it is is rips of old, weird black
exploitation and exploitation movies and I have discovered some real
the incredible movies on that I have never seen before,
and I have quite an extensive exploitation DVD box set collection.
So yeah, definitely Pamgris Sulflix loving that and yeah those
are my three Christopher Lee, prom Pellman and Pam Grit
(46:15):
very up to date selections, clearly, Jason, how about you.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
My most watched this person? It's gonna be all Spanish
language creators.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I'm gonna go with h q RU Paul who.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Is a former police officer currently living in Mexico, Spanish
teacher and content creator who I think has one of
the biggest you know, Spanish is the second language community
is on YouTube, and I just watch a lot of
his stuff as I continue my language journey through the
beautiful language. So I'm just like, by the way my
(46:56):
commercial algorithms.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Oh yeah, all my all my commercials are currently.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
That's how you won.
Speaker 12 (47:07):
Yeah, all my like jeep ads are like in Spanish.
It's like selling me stuff in Spanish, like you know, laundry,
de turgen, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I'm watching a lot of Spanish.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well, other mobile phone commercials we get on TV here
in Spanish, so I'm just kind of vibing with it.
I'm like, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 10 (47:27):
Can I going to teach me Spanish language recommendation for you?
Speaker 11 (47:31):
Sure? If you haven't already watched it, It's on HBO
leven and Oh series about the Christina le Beautiful Story,
eight episode mini series in Spanish. If you love the
way that's that people in Barcelona speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Oh yeah, I'm a super fan of it.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But yes, I accept it.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
I love the Spanish lisp, so.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I will check it out.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, okay, it's time for our weekend plans, a Boo,
let's start with you.
Speaker 8 (48:06):
Well, by the time our listeners hear this, I will
be in Paris, because I'm in Paris all next week. Yes, absolutely,
I'm mostly going to be, you know, watching the sunlight
bounce off the sin, listening to croissants crunching in my mouth,
reading the directions. Yeah, on the plane I do intend on. Yeah,
(48:31):
I hear the bread is incredible. Yeah absolutely, that's definitely
the plan. So those are my weekend plans. I'm out
of the country on one vacation.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
Listeners, you may not know, but A Boo is a
true romantic at heart, and I'm just really looking forward
to his stories post being in the most romantic city.
Speaker 5 (48:46):
It's going to be lovely.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
Yeah, I'll report back on whether I fall in.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
Love or not.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Joel.
Speaker 10 (48:54):
How about you?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
What are you watching this weekend or doing a thing?
We're enjoying?
Speaker 5 (48:58):
The Great British Bakeoff is bad?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Thank god?
Speaker 5 (49:03):
She is my life and my comfort. And they start
talk with a classic challenge.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
I haven't watched the episode yet, but it's a Swiss
role challenge. I've never made a Swiss role until I
thought me, I will try to make a Swiss role
at home while I watched The Great British bak Off.
That's a great cozy weekend with some tea.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Have you watched the first episode of the new season
of The New Yeah no, no, no, not yet.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
I'm saving it.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, you haven't watched it yet, Okay, I have. There's
a controversial technical and I'm gonna want your opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
What could you do well?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
I say, if we can get some great British baking contest,
great British baking contest content on this channel, or as
we call it, British Bakeoff, I would be very excited.
So let's put a pin in that delicious Swiss role
and bring it up soon because I love to discuss
a technical challenge.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Hell yeah, common.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You always write Shrek, but what are you really doing?
Speaker 7 (50:04):
I wrote that that was Aaron right, Shrek, Shrek forever
off the I.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Turned to look at what I had.
Speaker 7 (50:19):
Written and it was just said, Shrek, good one rats.
Speaker 10 (50:29):
Right No?
Speaker 11 (50:31):
I uh well, now that Joelle has informed me that
the Great British Making Show is back, I will be
adding that to my weekend plans because that is a
favorite that my boyfriend I love to watch together. That's
a boyfriend and Carmen content.
Speaker 10 (50:44):
And then I am going.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
This Friday, I am today. While you're listening to this,
I'm gonna I'm going to see The Long Walk.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
I'm very.
Speaker 5 (50:57):
Tamilla.
Speaker 11 (50:58):
I wish I wish I got to do to go
to one of the treadmill screenings. That's but unfortunately I
will be seated and I will be reclined while I
watched the Long Roll, The Long.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
Rosie. How about you? What are you doing this weekend?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
What am I doing this weekend? I'm going to be
trying to do a lot of chilling. I will also
probably go and see the Long Walk, though I have
heard it's very depressing. I've read the book. I've heard
it manages to keep up with the bleakness of the book.
And I've also had it may be one of the
best Stephen King adaptations that we've ever got.
Speaker 5 (51:36):
Carrie like a word, Yes, carry would like.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
A week's very very high bar.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I'm telling you multiple different reviewers and people that you respect. Yeah,
they say it immediately joins Shore Shank, Redemption, Green Mile.
I would also misery, you know, misery, the Shining I
love misery. I would put that definitely up there, very high.
I carry, of course. So yeah, Carrier, no love for Carrie.
(52:04):
I'm interested, So I'm definitely interested to see where that
will go. I will also be reading. There is an
author that I really love called Kirsten White. She's not
only a fantastic author she wrote Mister Magic to wrote Hyde,
but also she is just a really great person, so
always nice. We've done some panels together, but I always
await her books with Beta Breath. She does great, great horror,
(52:27):
and she has a new one that is called the
House of Quiet. So I'm very excited to check that
out because her last book, which was a queer retelling
of like Frankenstein, and then she did a queer retelling
of Dracula those which just I ate them up. So
this is about a girl whose sister is lost and
(52:49):
she has to go into this strange house posing as
a maid. So very gothic kind of vibes. Yeah, can't wait,
very excited, Jason, howe about you?
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I'm gonna I can resist no longer. I will be
watching unknown number of the high School Catfish. It's time.
I simply must give in to the terrible temptation to
watch this horrendous story. I'm going to be uh, I'm
going to be diving into and feeding my very secretive
(53:20):
and very shameful true crime addiction more by watching more
YouTube content from some true crime creators that I like
about the Wendy Agelson murder case, which google it.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's yeah, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And then I'm going to be reading as well. I'm reading,
I'm reading on but that's not it, you, guys.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
I just really just tell Mary.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Yeah, and I I would highly recommend reading Project Tail
Mary before seeing the movie.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
And that book was fun so good. That's it's really fun.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It does move, It's great. Well, guys, that's it for
this episode. Thanks for everybody for joining us, Thanks for
listening folks out there.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
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Emmys have happened. The real Emmys, as people may say,
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cut me, cut me, guys. I will probably maybe win
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
But first let's welcome super bruder Joel to talk about
the entertainment, the busy meeses, Heymmys, which are coming up
in a few days recording this on Wednesday. The Emmys
will grace your TV screens this weekend, and let's talk
about the Emmys mainly. Does anybody care the Emmys relevant?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Does anybody care?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
What's up with the Joel? What's up with the Emmy? Yeah?
Let me give you my standard shpiel on award ceremony.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I went went on NPR, I got my asstituded out
for my thoughts on this, but I'll show you them here.
I think award ceremonies are really important, but not for
any industry reason.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I don't think. I think it matters on two fronts.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
When it matters if you are at all interested in
entering this industry and you have no idea where to start.
I feel like my whole film education started because of
the Oscars. It gave me just a starting point. It
is not the end all be all of an education. Frequently,
there's a lot of reasons why people get nominated. There's
a lot of films that get dismissed and overlooked, but
it is a great place to start in education, and
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so I think that's important. And then I also think
they're important because, especially for your fringe actors, that's your
actors of color, your openly queer actors, etc. If you
secure one of these, it can be extremely helpful in
making sure that you get better profit margins.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Not always.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
We all know Halle Berry really struggled after winning her Oscar.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, there is an Oscar curse.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
But on occasion, these things can happen, and I think
that's really beautiful. I also think, just from a communal perspective,
it is like Listen Awards started as a way to
like sort of diminish union power, which blows.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But also when you come together as.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
A community and you get to celebrate each other's works
and stuff, I think that.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Could be really great.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I don't believe in a best of strategy for a
wife so many awards thoughts. I think best of is stupid.
I think you should do superlatives. I just wish every
year we'd be like most inventive, craziest use of blood,
like just can't make it.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Also, like that's where.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Those kind of great you know, ensembles can come in
as well, Like if you do that because okay, so Joelle.
For people who don't understand or aren't aware, there are
actually two emmy yes, oh like award shows, right, and
we just had our first one, which was the Primetime
and Creative Arts Emmy winners, and that I think was
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maybe surprising to some people because, for example, they revealed
the Outstanding Guest Stars, even though some of those were
some of the bigger name hits. So we had Merit
Weaver who won for Severance. We had oh Sean Hatosi,
who if you love Zero's Horror or nineties horror like
the Faculty, you will know as Sean from the Faculty.
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He was in the Pit. He won Outstanding Guest Actor
in a Drama Series, And most notably and most talked
about was Brian Cranston winning Outstanding Guest Actor in a
Comedy Series for the Studio. I believe the Studio won
nine Emmys at the Creative Arts and Primetime Emmy. So
could you talk a little bit about the difference between
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those and what people could expect to see when they
watch the Emmys that will get televised compared to these Emmys,
which include such things as like Best Made for TV Movie,
which rebull Ridge run, which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So Jason, the guy currently holding his Emmy, it's very
interesting to be here, winner.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, I wanted to say that one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I semi agree, and I do understand why I am
pr roasted you a little bit about your take it,
but I don't disagree. I don't fully disagree, but I
will say this when I was up for when I
was nominated for the Sports Emmy, so let me just
be clear.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's a Sports Emmy, which is the.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Potentially the easiest one to win. When I was up
for the Sports Emmy for me and my co creator
Jason Gallagher for NBA Desktop, we got some really good
advice from you know, a producer who has produced a
lot of stuff, and he was like, you know, we
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were like, this is fun, but like what is it?
Does it really matter? Like is it really a big deal?
And he said, listen, here's the thing about the Emmy
is being nominated or winning. Once you're there on that
level of you're getting nominated for stuff or you win,
you immediately in the eyes of quote unquote the industry.
And this is why I do think it is important
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become a real person, like a real figure within the
industry because now in all of your bio stuff, in
the first paragraph, it's gonna say Emmy winner, blah, blah blah, and.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's kind of a fake thing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's kind of it's obviously like a form of inter
industry marketing and a very self congratulatory type of dynamic,
but it's also true like after that you end up
getting meetings because you're Emmy winner blah blah blah. And yeah,
when you say that in a meeting, suddenly it feels
like it really helps bolster your feelings of like imposter syndrome,
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because now you've got this thing that says, oh, you
did a thing that people react is an actual thing.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, because you have, in order to.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Get nominated, like enough people, because the voting pool for
the Emmys is gargantulan, so like enough people have to
like have seen your stuff, liked it enough, known a
little bit about you, and then you have to win
the overall. Like it's a lot of efforts eat just
to get nominated, I think. And so yeah, I can
imagine that that sticks with you. It'll be like the
first thing in your obituary, Like it's a huge thing.
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I also think, you know, there's something kind of interesting
to me about nominations. So I wanted to ask you guys,
with the studio being number one this year and projected
to be number one overall by the end of Sunday Night.
Every time there's a show about making movies or television,
people have very strong feelings about whether it's appropriate to
(07:32):
be Is this just Hollywood's joking itself?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Is this?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I think it's a really well made show and super funny,
and I liked it, But I was curious what your guys'
thoughts are on shows movies that talk about the industry
and then are celebrated.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that the reality is that that is like,
you know, coming out in LA and being like, why
is it sunny? Like that Shit's always gonna happen, like
it's happened throughout history in every single award ceremony. The
Oscars loves a movie. Think about the ARTI the artist,
(08:08):
you know, movies that take over. I think the bigger
issue is and I love the studio. I actually think, honestly,
I think it deserves all the accolades because I just
think it was so well done. Technically, it's hilarious if
you live here. It is a very in the in
the kind of weeds and inside baseball of everyday life
in LA. But the issue I have with those kind
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of nominations, is they only ever really center on one
group of people, which is white people? Because when Dolomite
is My Name was made, which was.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
You know, this is my biggest platform scream ever. I'm like,
this is an excellent, nearly perfect film that nobody talked about.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Unbelievable comeback performance by Eddie Murphy in a dramatic role, Charlie.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Class role, I think, or the movie's dedicated to charge.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, so beautiful. Also like one of the most beautifully
put together costuming departments by Ruth Katta, Like that movie
was filmed in guardian A cinema. That movie is about
a true rebel and weirdo in Hollywood, And if that
mill had been about white Hollywood, then it probably would
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have gotten nomb And I think that is one of
the biggest snubs that, unfortunately for me, makes it like
that's when I start having an issue with the inside Hollywood.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Like we got really great like young new actors, returns
of old actors.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
So yes, I totally take your point. I just really
wanted to quickly also talk about our close calls and
see where you.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Guys are landing ones.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Okay, So Variety put together a list of their closest.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Calls, and this is what they came up with.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They said the most difficult races to predict are leading
acting categories for limited series, which are coin floats between
Colin Farrell for The Penguin and Stephen Graham for adolescence,
and then for the women Michelle Williams for Dying for
Sex and Christi Malatti for The Penguin. Between those two,
where do you think the Academy's gonna land?
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And where would you land?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think the Academy is probably I love Michelle Williams,
She's great and everything. If they're going to pick between
a genre show that is based on comic books or
something that's based on a book about a woman who's
dying of cancer, they are going to probably choose a
woman who's dying of cancer. I don't think that Milotti
is going to get it for killing a bunch of
people in a beautiful, beautiful ball gown, but I would
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love to see that. Malotti is my pit. But I
think Michelle Williams is probably going to get it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think that's probably right for the very obvious reasons.
And I think similarly, but deservedly. Stephen Graham is going to.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Win for adolescents.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, he will, he.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Will, and I think and I think, by the way, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Deserved because he's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's not just uh, you know, in the thing, but
he is the creator of the of the series and
it was probably one of the most emotionally harrowing. Yeah,
and also talked about and important you know, underline piece
of like show or anything really that came out in
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the last calendar year. So I think Stephen Graham's kind
of gonna walk with that one.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I think I love it.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Let's do one more and then we'll get out of here.
So there are other close call categories include the Supporting
Drama Actor, Severance actors versus the White Lotus actors who
are splitting the category, or Supporting Comedy Actress. Five of
seven omnies appear to have a path to victory, and
guest drama actor character actors versus established actors.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Who do you think comes out on top?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Severance and the White Lotus both had huge years this year,
really talked about series, both had big growth in audience views.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Which one do you think will come?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And HBO, who frequently has led in most wins at
the end, isn't even like predicted to be in the
top two this year. I think they're looking at eyeing
number three. So curious you think Severance at Apple TV?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Is this a new.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Streaming era or should we go White Lotus and there
and keep it traditional with HBO.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
My thought is yeah. My thought is that Apple does
not reach these heights very often critically, and they've got
more money than literally every other company on Earth. And
I think if they cared about playing the f YC game,
they could throw a rounding error type amount at FYC
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promotion at Severance because this is their chance and that
they should win. So I think it's going to be
Severance if Apple knows at all what it's doing and
is playing the game correctly in any capacity at all time.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I agreeingly Weird I really wanted to win.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I agree, though, I do think that for some of
the academy who probably haven't actually watched Severance, I do
think that White Lotus has the beautiful locations, the good
looking stars, the easy on the eye. It's HBO, it's
their Sunday show, So I think that it's going to
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be closer than we expect. I do think Severance deserves it,
because I did think this season of White Lotus was
really incredibly written and had a lot of kind of
interesting tropes I enjoy, like the Revenge through La Trope
and stuff like that. But Severance is just such an
utterly unique show. I would love to see it. You know,
get those wins. Let me just before we leave, do
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you guys? This was a big conversation topic of conversation
between me and my friend Abby, who is another fantastic
journalist when we were away on a work trip recently.
Should there be a limit on how many times shows
can be nominated at something like this? I think that
there is an argument for it because a show like
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you know, the Bear, which gets nominated a million, fourteen
times every time? Is that taking away opportunities for other
shows like Interview with the Vampire.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Let's not forget what Modern Family did to that race
for so long?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
What a mess?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of One issue with The.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Bear is not its continuous nominations. It is its existence
in the comedy, where it is, you know, actually taking
opportunities from actual that have jokes in them, like it
is not. I don't think capping is necessarily the right
(14:38):
solution for this. Just get them out of comedy, put them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
To worry about this, Yeah, because I'm I just think
a lot about Jacob Anderson and Sam Reid and interviewing
the Vampire, and I really feel like post season two
that should have been the time that they were getting
the nominations, that they were getting recognized, and oftentimes when
you have the spected shows that there isn't necessarily like
a lot of space left. Also, Joelle, can you quickly
(15:07):
just go over what Variety's top ten most winning networks
are because it's kind of insane if we compare it
to ten years ago, because it's just all it's Yeah,
the projected dominant streaming services.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They think Netflix is gonna win, which at one point
in time was not impossible. That's crazy. Apple TV, which
again to Jason's point, doesn't usually do well. They're predicting
they're gonna walk away with twenty four. They think HBO
Max will hit third with twenty three, so really tight
race between one, two and three, and then way down
to the list NBC with eleven, Disney Plus with six,
Peacock with five, FX, ABC and CB. Sorry Peacock FX
(15:45):
ABC with five CBS and Prime Video with three Prime
Video given the fact that you Netflix and Apple are
your main.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Competition, gotta get it whipped in shape over there, hot mess.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Crazy that there's such a big drop between three and
four and NBC is off first like Lennear Network that
we get on it, which is predominantly gonna be for
Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Anyway, Joel, what's your big prediction.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh, My big prediction is scarcely.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
Prediction is the views will continue to go down until
we can figure out how to make award shows better.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think Matt and Bowen.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Hey, iHeart fam did a really interesting thing this year
by creating their own show with what superlatives. They were
not concerned about years or time frame or anything.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I would like more award shows like that. Please.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Here's my prediction, Matt and Bowen will be producing the
Emmys within five years, absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Take a break and we'll be back.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm gonna be talking AI.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And we're back.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Let's welcome super producer Aboo to the program to talk
about the latest ongoings in the legal battle between some
of the entertainment's biggest studios against mid Journey an a
company that you may be aware of because of their
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ability to produce images that look exactly like or very
similar to images from Warner Brothers, Disney, and so on.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Boo, welcome to.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Hi, super glad to be here. I'm also an AI agent.
By the way, if I say anything today, it's just
it's a hallucination.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, cool, understandable, I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So, yeah, what's going on with this case?
Speaker 8 (18:01):
So the news that sparked this discussion today is basically,
Warner Brothers has joined in on this copyright battle that
other studios are currently having with mid Journey. Mid Journey
being the AI image generation tool, and Warner Brothers has
sued mid Journey basically alleging that the platform knowingly creates
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these images of copyrighted characters. Right, Superman, Batman, Bugs, Bunny,
Tom and Jerry. You can just ask mid Journey to
make images of those characters that are Warner Brothers property.
And the other two studios that have similar lawsuits against
mid Journey are Disney and Universal. So we're talking big, big,
big Hollywood studios going after interestingly sort of like a
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mid size AI company, right, this is not the big
AI companies that most people think when they think AI,
this is not a chat GPT lawsuit. This is not
a Claude or a Google Gemini lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing to me.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think it's from the outset. Mid Journey has been
at the front of generative AI imagery and I think
like we have seen the quality of that grow. And
I also will say the note about this specific lawsuit
that is really interesting is really a question of mid
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Journey's argument that this is fair use, because what they
show multiple times in reporting around this lawsuit is like
if you ask them to make if you ask mid
Journey to make like a gritty Batman, it's essentially just
a still all a Warner Brothers movie. That's the biggest
issue is they are.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Also examples example live. The examples that are in the
court filings are even I think more or even stronger
than that, because what we've seen in the core filings
is people have put in like the prompt will be
something that doesn't even mention the specific character or ID
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will just be like classic comic book battle. Yeah, then
it will produce Batman verus Superman looking like a still
from an animated you know, DCEU DC animated series, And
of course part of the problem is these things are Yeah.
I think the CEO is quoted in several of the
(20:33):
stories that you can read about this talking about like
how they just had their large language model, large image model,
whatever gobble up everything that's out there on the Internet
so that it could digest it and reproduce it according
to the prompts that are used. So yeah, I think
the part of the interesting thing to me is that
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this feels like this feels like the first move.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You go at the company that's one not as well funded,
not as big, and that is really creating stuff that
seems to even like the lay person like oh yeah,
that looks exactly like Batman, that that looks.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Target them to get hopefully a win on the books
so that you could then go at chat, GPT or
Claude created by Google some of these bigger players and
then try to force the concessions from them.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Okay, let me ask you this a boo. Is there
also a world whether reason that that, because this to me,
you know, all of this feels a little bit late.
If you've been in the AI conversation and been going, hey,
why aren't these big companies season assisting them. We know
Disney season assists people who put Winnie the Pooh on
a kid's gravestone. Like, why aren't they see some assisting this?
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And I think for a long time time the assumption was, well,
they want to find a way that AI can fit
into their business model and save their money. Right, is
there a version of this? Why the reason that these
companies are suing mid Journey is because they want to
settle and use mid Journey within their own companies. Like,
do you think there's a version of it where that
is what they're aiming for here? Because you guys are right,
(22:20):
this is not the biggest name to go after.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Yes, And I think that's another aspect of this rosie
that you're touching on that's really interesting because there is
this sort of weird tug and pull of the industry
trying to figure out how AI could be useful theoretically, right,
Like that comes with a thousand caveats, but ultimately like,
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is there a bottom line benefit to starting to use
AI in our productions?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
At the same time, there is, according to these lawsuits
and according to what they're alleging, copyright in front happening
by these AI tools, and so there is some mixed messaging.
I found a really interesting quote in a BBC article
from Disney's chief legal officer, Ratio Gutierrez. I want to
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share that because it kind of illustrates this talking out
of both then to your mouth problem from the studios here.
The chief legal officer said that the Disney the firm
is optimistic about using AI and like are very pro
quote unquote responsibly using the AI to further human creativity.
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But quote piracy is piracy, and the fact that it's
done by an AI company does not make it any
less infringing end quote.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So it's like the.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, I get so. Mid Journey's lawyers have also argued
the same thing. They've said that essentially the studios are
trying to have it both ways, using AI tools while
trying to punish a popular AI service. I would liken
that argument to like, oh, I see you own guns,
but now you have a problem with me going out
and shooting someone in the street.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Exactly argument, Like does it really work?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But I do agree that I think the end state
here because AI as a technology you're kind of zooming
out is a important to various economies around the world
as people race to do to create this, and.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So I think that there's no there's no reality.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
In which mid Journey goes away or Chatch TBT goes
away or hobbled in.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Any meaningful way.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think what you will see is mid Journey will
have to pay a sizable licenseese going exactly. It'll be
like a yearly or every five years, huge fee for
them to continue to produce the results that they are producing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, I think is where exactly we are headed.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But the idea that like, oh, you're trying to have
it both ways. No, it's like I'm not trying to
have a both ways.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I'm just we aren't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't want to be.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I don't want to be the one that stands up
for the studios. But it does feel like, you know,
very clearly you fed your algorithm this stuff and it's
not producing this stuff. Yeah, and you did it without
license from the from the people we.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Know that this, Like the the way that a generative
AI was trained is like essentially a plagiarism machine. Like
everybody knows that. I mean, guys, I wrote a book once,
an entire book, and it was completely colored under fair
use but it ended up that there was a certain
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studio that wasn't happy about the way that the book
was put together, so they went to a publisher and
the book never came out Like this is this is
should not have surprised the AI companies. This is something
that is so much precedent throughout the history of Hollywood,
like it was never gonna happen where I'm sure that
they Disney was like, it's fine, just use Mickey Mouse
(26:02):
for free, Like that was never gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I think that I'm sure that some portion of their
operating budget is earmarked for lawsuits, yes when they started.
And I think also we need to understand like the
culture of tech is kind of like capitalism on steroids,
which is do the illegal shit so quickly that by
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the time people catch on, you're so established that people
are like, well, this is actually doing something that is valuable.
So it was illegal, but now let's figure out how
to work it in zoo. I mean, you know, you
could just look at the history of the country is
like is the expansion of the country was like various
(26:48):
legal treaties were signed with indigenous peoples, but then we
found gold or we found the oil or we found whatever,
and then people went in illegally and started getting the
gold out, and then we went, well, that looks like
a pretty valuable mine over there. Let's figure out how
to make that work within the framework of laws. And
I think that's what will happen. They will figure out
(27:08):
how to make this all work. The one thing that
I do, I just want to say, like, the one
thing that is talking out of both sides of the
mouth to me and that makes me roll my eyes
is the statements by the studios where they're like, we
just want to protect the hard working art correct, we
know that protect them their blood, sweated.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Tears, and that's ex.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Exact.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's that's the silliest stuff as well, because you're like, yeah,
they're literally just exploiting the same people and the same
you guys and people.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
People to exploit.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's also like and there was like, oh my god,
and we had to pay this person to exploit You're
doing it for free, Like how did this happen?
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Yeah, I think that. I think that like perfectly illustrates
this chas and like there are no heroes and villains here.
The studios are not the heroes who are being set
upon by the AI companies, and the AI companies are villains,
and in my opinion that like the studios are actually
quite pro AI. They just want to make for this ship.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Like they're just like that's what the real truth is.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Then the devil is like ultimately in the details of
all of this and where we are in uncharted territory
like you illustrated Chase, and like we basically are trying
to establish what fair use is for these AI companies,
how the studios and the AI companies are going to
establish things like licensing agreements, which there is no precedent for.
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All of these precedents have to like be created and ultimately,
like that is the purpose of lawsuits like this is
this is this is like the first lob in a
long war that is going to establish the legal precedent
for this.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Sort of I.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Think where we're going right is like the dream slash
nightmare scenario is one day in the future you will
be able to like type into some large language model
star wars but starring the Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's basically what they want it and it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Will create a two hour movie or whatever, an hour
or a half hour animated series in which you know,
Bart Simpson is Luke Skywalker. The difference will be that
every stakeholder in that will get some sort of like
they will pay, They will pay Warner Brothers, they will
pay Matt Groening, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I think that's what will happen.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, I just I just want to say before we leave,
I want to there is some reporting around this stuff,
especially with an upcoming project. Open Ai is developing a
feature link movie animated using AI technology. This was a
Wall Street Jannal piece. But the funny thing is that
like they're reporting around this, I feel is doing that
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classic kind of like they're they're trying to create consent
for something that doesn't need to be consented to by
the public, where it's like they're like, this project will
dramatically reduce costs. It's gonna be made for under thirty
million dollars. Guess what flow one an oscar four million dollars,
Spirit it Away twenty two million dollars. Like what about
(30:25):
any Satoshi Cone movie made for two to three million dollars?
Like I think that the way money is and the
way they're reporting on this stuff, they're going to act
like it's cutting costs but the people who are actually
out there, Studio Saloon, incredible anime companies like you know,
Studio Sara and stuff. I think that there are people
who can make these movies and make stuff for cheaper,
(30:49):
and I think that it's better quality stuff. So I
kind of am always wary of when a studio is like, yeah,
this is gonna cost so much less, and variety just
or Wall Street channels like yeah, yes it will cost less,
rather than like laying out the animation can actually and
is actually because people are underpaid. Has always been made
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for under thirty million dollars, like in a lot of cases.
And I think that sadly, their plan is, well, if
we can do it for that cheap, we don't have
to have creators involved. But alas as we know that, well.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
The Paddington writers are writing that movie, So.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Paddington three, it's a very different situation. Paddington more than two.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But like quality movies.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
But already they're unable to create that.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I will add that in that story, it's very
vague about like what the percentage of actual AI is
in the thing.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Anyway they say it, yeah, it's going to be largely
created with AI technology.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That means.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
We'll see will it really get into can Film Festival.
That will be an interesting year on the crossings people,
big boos are going to be coming big.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Okay, let's take our quick break and we'll be back
with our summers streaming. Let's welcome super producer Joel.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
You guys. Okay.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
So I put this in the producers Group chat and
I wanted to bring it onto XRGC and I'm continue
to be frustrated. Since two thousand and eleven, I have
been asking streaming companies to put together playlists so that
we could watch our shows out of order like regular TV,
so I don't have to select my shows and I
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don't have to binge. But there's no intermedia. You just
have to do it yourself. And then I was like, well,
you know, Spotify does these rap years wrapped things at
the end of every year where they're like, this is
what you listen to you most this year, this is
your point one percent most listened like performer or whatever.
And I was like, man, if I had this for
any of my streaming apps, I would both be embarrassed
(33:13):
and surprised.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I think, so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Mine, Well I will, so I will tell you that
I think that this is a great idea for a
little summer streaming. Wrapped, while we pick off face, I
will say, if you are a cinephile movie lover, let
a box does have a version of this where you
can look at your own stats.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Also, then you have to manually input.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yes, you have to.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
I am lazy.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm a little confused too about something else, like so
you want basically like TV on streaming where there's just
a thing on, okay, and it's off of your tastes.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
So if they would introduce me because Criaturian.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And Amazon Prime, do you have that feature? I just
wanted to let you know.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'm not okaya. I feel like Pluto TV and that
kind of stuff like Act.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wait, Criterion to None of them are based off your
things you like, but it's live television basically.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
See that's not the same thing. So I have Venture.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Disney Plus also has that where they're like, if you
like this thing, you could just watch it.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
No, I'm talking.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
About like a playlist for example, I can do I
have a playlist that is just albums I like, and
then I just hit shuffle and the songs are just
coming up at random and it's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I know, I like these albums. It's lovely.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
Imagine if I'm chilling at home Hulu so many options.
Maybe I get Alien or episode, then I get a
Bob's Burger's, then I get like the Kardashians. If that's
the thing my cousin watches my HULUSA, they're frequently on there, listen.
I just think that there's something really beautiful about like
you have all these shows, you're constantly on our app Anyway,
a lot of people just put things onto the background.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
For their dog. I just think, like, we have some
options here, make me a playlist.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So are you just sat as?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Then with the category the tile category, broadly, I would
broadly call it.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Like we think you'll love this, yeah, yeah, you know
on net m okay, I.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Love a recommendation section, right, But I think the tiles
are limiting because you're just getting endless scroll and.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
It's not really helpful.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I think I like HBO has done a really interesting
thing where they were like this is the Miyazaki section,
Like if you just want DC, you can.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Go there, and that's a little bit more helpful.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
But I don't think we've really updated.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Like even just our Internet spaces, like how we navigate
on the I.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Just think there's we could be much more creative. Uh,
and we're not there yet. So anyway, I was thinking
about the Spotify rap and I was like, huh, I
have some questions. Uh, Spotify, does this is your genres?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
You're most listening to? Genres?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
And I was curious for you guys, if you were
to have an app rap at the end of the
year for your television watching or even maybe just for
this summer, Like, what would the categories for you?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Carmen, Let's start with you.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Yeah, thank you. This is something you know.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
We talked about a little bit about this yesterday and
I started to really think about it, and I was like,
what is you know, what are.
Speaker 10 (36:11):
My watching habits?
Speaker 11 (36:12):
And obviously I have a lot of streaming habits that
are related to X ray vision, so I'm watching a
lot of the shows that we're talking about on the pod.
But I realized, like, I watch more YouTube than probably anything.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You're not Alone. You're not Alone. I believe that's one
of the most beautiful football watch.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Yeah, and so I gave myself like the streaming genre
label of like horror, true crime and a reverence slop,
but the horror and the true crime has to be
like from a very specific era. It has to be
nineties television error horror and true crime.
Speaker 10 (36:49):
And so.
Speaker 11 (36:52):
I would say, like, that's my genre label. The top
one percent that I think I would fall into because
I so frequently put this on to nap too and
I wake up in like four episodes have already passed.
Is either unsolved mysteries or forensic files. I know for
a classic.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Embodying the lives of many women.
Speaker 11 (37:17):
I had to think about it too. I was like,
why do I like falling asleep to that? And I
realized it's those voices.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
But he didn't realize the killer was right outside.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, exactly. Very relaxing, Joe.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
She went to work that morning.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Everything felt fine.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
It was it was a normal day, Joel. What would
your streaming genre label be and what would the property
that you were in the top one percent of.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
I'm gonna do like Harmon did, because I like that
you had, you had two regulars, and then a Netflix
style category appreciated. So I think adult animation would definitely
be up there, and then I think like Prestige TV.
I kind of just vacillate between the two. But if
I was going to go with a Netflix thing, I
would be like, uh, angry women over forty.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Trying to figure out their lives es an angry woman program.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
She has the right angry be angry, and she should
be at my point one percent, I think, surprising no
one on this show Bob's Burgers, Do I sing?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Right? That's who recently started this thing where they were like,
they cut off the credits at the end.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Are you disrupting the unique song they put at the
end of each episode? Like Bob creates an original burger
in every episode.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
How dare you? I don't like it?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I turn that off.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I have to listen to the whole song. Love me
some Bobs?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Rosie Categories and your point one percent show?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Okay, well, my point one percent show is definitely murder.
She wrote, I have present show every day and I
go to sleep. We all know there is a murder.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
She wrote.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Twenty four to seven channel on TV as also on
book and on Google. They have all of those. There
is a Midsummer Murders twenty four hour a day channel.
That's another one of my favorite ones. That's like, that's
a brit really weird, campy British one with crazy guest
stars Olivia Coleman or Anno Bloom like everyone's been in
(39:35):
the show. I will say, obviously love TV, cover a
lot of TV on this pod, but I am a
solid at home movie watcher. If I'm not covering the show,
I am mostly movies. So my theme this year, according
to Letterbox, is I have the most movies I've watched
(39:55):
this year are sixty films in the genre of horror,
the Undead Monsters, and my second forty three films Epic Heroes.
So you know, I think it's very as as is expected.
But yeah, I mean my most watched film this year
because it's one of my like ultimate comfort films is Wicked,
(40:17):
since I've watched it six times this year, holding space. Yeah,
I'm holding space, can't help. Four times I've watched the
Minecraft movie. Can you tell? I have lots of nieces
and nephews three times, ranking Embasses, the Hobbit three times,
Capop Demon Hunters three times weapons.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
So those are my weapons three times two those are.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Currently weapons family.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Over here, those are my those are my current my
current tops, and I'm averaging around forty two movies per month,
so you can tell things about great and my app Wow. Yeah,
I watch movies all day every day while I work.
It's It's all I do pretty much when I'm not
recording the podcast. So, Jason, what do you think? What's
your TVY wrap up? Your streaming wrap up?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
My point zero zero one viewing rating is going to
be uh, And I think this is going to be
indicative of a lot of my tastes. It is going
to be ken Burns the Civil War documentary. It's a
highly listen I I fully acknowledge the but it's dad
(41:23):
programming and something about it. I put it on and
it soothes me, and I can do.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
All this stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's so good to that is way too boring for me,
but I was The Vietnam One is also a one
that I can just like have on.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Okay, So let's just go through my.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We think you'll love these Netflix on that Flix Hostiles,
the I'm gonna I'm gonna characterize this as.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
War crime and comedy.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
That's what, Okay, we forget like that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
So Hostiles, this is a western uh starring Uh looks
like to be Christian Bale.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
You are getting datted up and I'm getting a lot
of Dad.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Blow the Johnny Depp Penelope Cruise Cocaine seventies cocaine smuggler movie,
which I've seen.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I didn't think was that good turning point. The Vietnam War.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Oh Jensen, take me with you.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
She's a stand up, very very talented stand.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Up Kax.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
The least said out of the Vetter train Wreck poop Cruise.
And I've got the number of the high school, like waiting,
I've got waiting in the wings for this.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Weekend, maybe the most thing this year that's coming.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yes, I've already had it spoiled the if, if such
a thing can be spoiled.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Not it won't make your enjoyment about any less.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Or we think you'll love these untamed I don't know
what that is Quarterback Uh Devo the documentary about Devo.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, okay, zero zero Day.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
The Hateful Eight, Candle her A lot of war stuff you.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Have, Jason, Yeah, right?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
How many children are in this house only?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So it's basically like a lot of stuff that I
can have on where it's like did I just miss
was I like checked out for twenty minutes of Happy
Gilmour too?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (43:38):
But now I'm going to watch it for fen minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And then back exactly.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So that's that's my.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
That's what Netflix, that's second streaming.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
I have one more category before we exit here, and
that category it's an interesting and challenging one. So you
could kind of take it as you want. But you
get artists in your Spotify rapt like this your most
listened to artists, and so I was curious, is there
a creator or performer that you think would pop up
most in your wrapt? I think mine would be Kevin
(44:11):
Michael Richardson.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Uh, He's a voice actor. He does like eighty nine
projects a year.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
I feel like I listened to a ton of them,
So I'm like, I think they're definitely gonna be A
voice actor is gonna be my top and I would
pick him, Karen, what about you?
Speaker 11 (44:27):
Mine are definitely gonna have to be Trixie Mattel and
katiasmal So watch everything that they put out. A lot
of my contents that I.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
Watch is outside of works and stuff and boyfriend.
Speaker 11 (44:39):
I have boyfriend category, I have work category, and then
I have Karmen alone time category.
Speaker 9 (44:44):
And everybody's division of watching the people I live with
watching watching.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
But when I watching It's Tricksy and Katia. I will
literally I will put on episodes of Uh. I will
put on episodes of The Balls in the Beautiful. I
will just watched anything that they're doing because they're make me.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
They're so funny.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Rosie, what about go ahead, Rosie?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, well I can again thank you to Letterbox. I
am not sponsored, but if you'd like to sponsor me
or the podcast, I am a I'm a letter Box patron.
I pay my pay my money every year so I
can use it without ads and get my stats because
this is the thing I know who. My most watched
performers of this year so far have been Christopher Lee
in six movies, so that's probably because I've been watching
(45:30):
a lot of Hammer, Horror, Ron Perlman, five movies, probably
B movies and hell Boy, which I rewatch a lot,
and then fourth She'll be going up because I love
to watch a movie. Pam Grea, I watch a lot
of There Is a There is a. They have a fast,
free ad supported television channel now called Pam Gria's Soul Flicks,
(45:51):
and all it is is rips of old, weird black
exploitation and exploitation movies and I have discovered some real
the incredible movies on that I have never seen before,
and I have quite an extensive exploitation DVD box set collection.
So yeah, definitely Pamgris Sulflix loving that and yeah those
are my three Christopher Lee, prom Pellman and Pam Grit
(46:15):
very up to date selections, clearly, Jason, how about you.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
My most watched this person? It's gonna be all Spanish
language creators.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I'm gonna go with h q RU Paul who.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Is a former police officer currently living in Mexico, Spanish
teacher and content creator who I think has one of
the biggest you know, Spanish is the second language community
is on YouTube, and I just watch a lot of
his stuff as I continue my language journey through the
beautiful language. So I'm just like, by the way my
(46:56):
commercial algorithms.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Oh yeah, all my all my commercials are currently.
Speaker 10 (47:05):
That's how you won.
Speaker 12 (47:07):
Yeah, all my like jeep ads are like in Spanish.
It's like selling me stuff in Spanish, like you know, laundry,
de turgen, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I'm watching a lot of Spanish.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well, other mobile phone commercials we get on TV here
in Spanish, so I'm just kind of vibing with it.
I'm like, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 10 (47:27):
Can I going to teach me Spanish language recommendation for you?
Speaker 11 (47:31):
Sure? If you haven't already watched it, It's on HBO
leven and Oh series about the Christina le Beautiful Story,
eight episode mini series in Spanish. If you love the
way that's that people in Barcelona speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Oh yeah, I'm a super fan of it.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
But yes, I accept it.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
I love the Spanish lisp, so.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I will check it out.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, okay, it's time for our weekend plans, a Boo,
let's start with you.
Speaker 8 (48:06):
Well, by the time our listeners hear this, I will
be in Paris, because I'm in Paris all next week. Yes, absolutely,
I'm mostly going to be, you know, watching the sunlight
bounce off the sin, listening to croissants crunching in my mouth,
reading the directions. Yeah, on the plane I do intend on. Yeah,
(48:31):
I hear the bread is incredible. Yeah absolutely, that's definitely
the plan. So those are my weekend plans. I'm out
of the country on one vacation.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
Listeners, you may not know, but A Boo is a
true romantic at heart, and I'm just really looking forward
to his stories post being in the most romantic city.
Speaker 5 (48:46):
It's going to be lovely.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
Yeah, I'll report back on whether I fall in.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
Love or not.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Joel.
Speaker 10 (48:54):
How about you?
Speaker 3 (48:55):
What are you watching this weekend or doing a thing?
We're enjoying?
Speaker 5 (48:58):
The Great British Bakeoff is bad?
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Thank god?
Speaker 5 (49:03):
She is my life and my comfort. And they start
talk with a classic challenge.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
I haven't watched the episode yet, but it's a Swiss
role challenge. I've never made a Swiss role until I
thought me, I will try to make a Swiss role
at home while I watched The Great British bak Off.
That's a great cozy weekend with some tea.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Have you watched the first episode of the new season
of The New Yeah no, no, no, not yet.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
I'm saving it.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, you haven't watched it yet, Okay, I have. There's
a controversial technical and I'm gonna want your opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
What could you do well?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
I say, if we can get some great British baking contest,
great British baking contest content on this channel, or as
we call it, British Bakeoff, I would be very excited.
So let's put a pin in that delicious Swiss role
and bring it up soon because I love to discuss
a technical challenge.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Hell yeah, common.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You always write Shrek, but what are you really doing?
Speaker 7 (50:04):
I wrote that that was Aaron right, Shrek, Shrek forever
off the I.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
Turned to look at what I had.
Speaker 7 (50:19):
Written and it was just said, Shrek, good one rats.
Speaker 10 (50:29):
Right No?
Speaker 11 (50:31):
I uh well, now that Joelle has informed me that
the Great British Making Show is back, I will be
adding that to my weekend plans because that is a
favorite that my boyfriend I love to watch together. That's
a boyfriend and Carmen content.
Speaker 10 (50:44):
And then I am going.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
This Friday, I am today. While you're listening to this,
I'm gonna I'm going to see The Long Walk.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
I'm very.
Speaker 5 (50:57):
Tamilla.
Speaker 11 (50:58):
I wish I wish I got to do to go
to one of the treadmill screenings. That's but unfortunately I
will be seated and I will be reclined while I
watched the Long Roll, The Long.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
Rosie. How about you? What are you doing this weekend?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
What am I doing this weekend? I'm going to be
trying to do a lot of chilling. I will also
probably go and see the Long Walk, though I have
heard it's very depressing. I've read the book. I've heard
it manages to keep up with the bleakness of the book.
And I've also had it may be one of the
best Stephen King adaptations that we've ever got.
Speaker 5 (51:36):
Carrie like a word, Yes, carry would like.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
A week's very very high bar.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I'm telling you multiple different reviewers and people that you respect. Yeah,
they say it immediately joins Shore Shank, Redemption, Green Mile.
I would also misery, you know, misery, the Shining I
love misery. I would put that definitely up there, very high.
I carry, of course. So yeah, Carrier, no love for Carrie.
(52:04):
I'm interested, So I'm definitely interested to see where that
will go. I will also be reading. There is an
author that I really love called Kirsten White. She's not
only a fantastic author she wrote Mister Magic to wrote Hyde,
but also she is just a really great person, so
always nice. We've done some panels together, but I always
await her books with Beta Breath. She does great, great horror,
(52:27):
and she has a new one that is called the
House of Quiet. So I'm very excited to check that
out because her last book, which was a queer retelling
of like Frankenstein, and then she did a queer retelling
of Dracula those which just I ate them up. So
this is about a girl whose sister is lost and
(52:49):
she has to go into this strange house posing as
a maid. So very gothic kind of vibes. Yeah, can't wait,
very excited, Jason, howe about you?
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I'm gonna I can resist no longer. I will be
watching unknown number of the high School Catfish. It's time.
I simply must give in to the terrible temptation to
watch this horrendous story. I'm going to be uh, I'm
going to be diving into and feeding my very secretive
(53:20):
and very shameful true crime addiction more by watching more
YouTube content from some true crime creators that I like
about the Wendy Agelson murder case, which google it.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's yeah, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
And then I'm going to be reading as well. I'm reading,
I'm reading on but that's not it, you, guys.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
I just really just tell Mary.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Yeah, and I I would highly recommend reading Project Tail
Mary before seeing the movie.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
And that book was fun so good. That's it's really fun.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It does move, It's great. Well, guys, that's it for
this episode. Thanks for everybody for joining us, Thanks for
listening folks out there.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
We'll be back tomorrow with the biggest.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
News of the week.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and
Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and
Heidi our discord moderator.
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