XRGC: Gen V Season 2, HIM & Sports Movies That Aren't Actually Sports Movies

In this week’s roundtable chat, Jason and Rosie are first joined by Joelle to discuss the three-episode premiere of season 2 of Gen V. Then they bring in producer Ian to discuss the new Jordan Peele-produced sports horror film HIM. To close, they are joined by Aaron and all of our producers to make the case for their favorite non-sports movies that should be considered sports movies. See you tomorrow for NEWS!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode contains spoilers.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
For gen V season two episodes one through three and
Yeah Coming film Him, Hello.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
And as Jason Cantepcio and.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Rosey Night and welcome back to ExtraVision the podcast
when we talk the video, favorite shows, movies, comics, and
pop culture. Coming from iHeart Podcast, We'll bring you three
episodes a week, close news on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
In today's episode, we are gonna be talking about gen
V season.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Two episodes one to three. It's back? Did you know
what was coming back? I like the first season.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I didn't really know it was coming back, but I'm
very glad it's back. We will also be talking about
the new Monkey Poop produced movie Him, Did.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
It live up to our feelings? How Ian will be? Ravis?
We are football? You will be watching And then this week.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Instead of TG I F we are gonna ask is
this a sports movie? And we are gonna pitch some
unexpected movies that may not be sports movies to cause
some fun discussion before we head out this weekend. But fus, Joe,
well Joel join us for GENV?

Speaker 5 (01:26):
How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:28):
I'm checked in three episodes is a lot, but you
were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
They move with they move quickly, good pacing.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
It's swift.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
It's really swift and to your point, like we we
have screeners for everything. We try to say like current
with y'all. But text She's like, I had to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I had to.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
We had to get into more episodes because yeah, the
cliffhanger after.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Three, Oh, where are we going from here? I'm very excited.
So yeah, I was excited to turn to gen V.
I was nervous. Season one is a hard watch.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Like emotionally, yes, I mean anyway, I just felt like
it's really vulnerable kids being abused.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
On a lot.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
You're just like, wow, this is difficult, and so I
made it a bit difficult for me to start my
watch of season two. But I will see it. It resonates,
it works. I thought the memorials to Chance were done tastefully.
We've seen this happen before, where people passed before is anticipated,
and then you're trying to address that death.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Within the context.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
That's what happens, and it's done to varying degrees of success.
I don't want to call anything out because they're all
made from very loving places, but sometimes you're like, uh,
this doesn't connect to the story and it's weird, but
here I like this.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, I feel like they deal with it well.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I also do have a question for you guys about
where the story's going and if you think it would
have been different once we've talked about if chance was
had not passed away tragically, because I think they switch
main characters this season that was not necessarily the purpose.
But I am happy because I love But I will
quickly get everyone up to date. If you have not

(03:05):
watched please Gen B season two episodes one to three
B where because there will be spoilers.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Picture this. It's nineteen sixty seven, Top Secret.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Lab Westpongebob from Broadway aka Box Woodsman aka Ariana Grande
aka Even Later an incredibly incredibly distracting stunt casting for
weeks and immediately.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
You're just like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
We He tries to stop his colleagues taking an early
version of V Compound V, which we know gives soups
their superpowers. He is not speedy enough to tell his
colleagues that it is not finished, and watches his entire
division get consumed by kind of extreme powers like twisted
versions of Fantastic Four. People are bubbling they're bursting into flames.
It's clear that icles technicals like all kinds of multings

(03:54):
that you expect to see. Oh my gosh, truly there's
more of that as we get in this so much too.
It is also revealed that Bock Woodsman is in this world.
Thomas Godolkin, the man credited with pioneering Compound B and
of course the legendary figure behind the university where we
will be joining Goodlkin You aka Thomas Godolkin. He's also

(04:16):
the head historical torturer, as was revealed at the end
of last season that basically Godolkin You was made as
a place to torture shop heroes and learn more about
their powers. After the previous Dean Indi Raschetti created a
virus to wipe out soups. God You has now taken
a sharp turn to the right, branding themselves is an
anti woke safe space where you become the hero White

(04:38):
supremacy so desperately needs. Speaking of which, the guardians of Goodlkin,
the heroes known as Kate and Sam Boo his His
Tomatow Tomato, are the poster children for white supremacy, with
Kate constantly wiping Sam's mind so he doesn't have to
face the horrifying truth of what they are doing and
how they sold out their friends editors. Not that was

(05:00):
during the events of the Boys season.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Football really good interweaving of the Boys, both characters and
plas wines into this season like really good.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I was impressed. It feels whole.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
If you are watching as a boy's lover, you will
understand from the Boys where you are stat where everything stands. So,
Jordan and Emma are transported out of the prison known
as Elmira aka The Woods. They have been in there
around a year. We work out being tortured and tested on.
After being captured, they expect that they're going to die.

(05:37):
It's an emotional moment, but instead they are welcomed by
the aforementioned Kate, who is there to tell them don't worry,
it's all good. It's actually better than good, because uh,
you're free from the jail that I put you in
and now you can come back to school. Great, just
what everyone wants. When they escape from jail, Jordan puts
in an all time aligned delivery with why don't you

(05:58):
read my mind? Kunt, which was like I legit, like
yelled you do not hear that word on TV a lot,
and that was an untold good delivery. Kate tries to
make amends, but it's then that Kate learns, you know,
kind of speaking to what we were talking about along
with the audience, that Andre died while trying to escape
El Mirror, and that is our first kind of understanding

(06:19):
of how the show is going to respond to the
tragic death of Chase Podoma, who actually died between seasons,
and this episode and the series are dedicated to him.
To Chase, we then see that Emma and Jordan are
allowed back to God You and essentially a normal life
as long as they pretend that Indi Raschetti was behind
the woods rather than it being a key part of

(06:41):
what's success and how they have gotten superpowers over the years.
There is a new Dean at God You who goes
by the Superior Mantal Cipher. He's very creepy and who
almost blends Kate's hand in a blender when she tries
to use her powers on him. He's clearly our arch nemesis,
but that still leaves one big question mark. There is
a time jump, but where is Marie Moreau. It is

(07:04):
something that nu Dean wants to know too, so he
sends Kate on her trail, where, like any great superhero
has to do when they're on the run, she is
beating the shit out of bigots in a strip wall
parking lot and just reminding us that her powers are
some of the most innovative and incredible to watch on
screen as she puts paid with be attackers in a
very impressive fight sequence. I love Marie's blood bending powers.

(07:25):
I think they are brought to life so well here
in more God You news that will pay forward the
rest of this season, there is a new frat that
has been allowed back on campus after killing a person
during hazing. But now you know it's run by one
of the college's worst white sexual abuses, so they let
them back and at their big welcome party, Jordan's getting
wasted and punching butt beer over everyone. More butt play, Joelle,

(07:49):
there you are, but butt beer coming right out of
the butt fresh from the keg disgusting.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Emma ends up in the same room with her ex
Sam I could have killed him in this moment, and
his new girlfriend in a heartbreaking sequence where it becomes
extremely clear that Kate is using her powers to numb
Sam into submission, removing his memories and any emotional connection
to the devastating choices they have made to kill many,
many people and promote Vaught's white supremacist superhero agenda in

(08:16):
the world.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Annie saves Marie from Oh oh dear uh, Let's put
it this way.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Starlight saves Marie from Dog not the Bounty Hunter. Their
take on Craven and very horrifying, reveals that the Dolkin
was trying to create something known as Project Odessa, and
that she needs Marie to go back to school undercover
and find out what secretive scheme was and whether God
You is trying to revive it. I just have to say, hey, guys,

(08:46):
nobody loves going back to school more than these kids.
This is like a Twilight level of like, don't go
back to school. Like in Twilight they always I'm like,
just don't matriculate, guys, like, don't go back to fucking school.
Jordan and Emma fi Marie tell her Andre die and
reveal that he killed himself while trying to save everyone
bombshell on her. Kate appears tries to convince Marie to

(09:07):
return to school, but after she uses her powers on Marie.
Jordan smashes her into side of building and it appears
that Kate is no more. Episode one is done, and
it's our longest recap because I think there's a lot
of stage setting for the rest of the season. Episode two,
after Kate's murder question Mark we Can Dream, Emma is

(09:29):
trying to get Marie to follow Kate's plan, which is
becoming a super famous superhero influencer. So vort can't kill
you because people know who you are, and Jordan can't
quite find it in themselves to forgive Marie for leaving
them in the you know, torture prism, which understandable, yes,
very understandable, because Marie managed to get out. It seems

(09:50):
at least halfway through when the rest of the guys
were there. With Emma's instruction, it quickly becomes clear that
Marie's gambit is working. Her very awkward video goes viral
and she gets a meeting with Dean Cipher. He is
extremely creepy, no one knows what his powers are, and
the one thing that does get confirmed here is Marie
confirms Jordan's memory Cipher was working on them at El Myra.

(10:13):
He is an evil scientist and he failed. Sarah bullshit
line about Andre and how his death definitely wasn't her
fault or his fault because Andre was just like his
dad Polarity, he has superhero ms, whereas using his powers
are slowly destroying his brain. Scary stuff. Emma, Jordan and
Marie tried to avoid his eagle eyes as vaught Now's
tones on the water wokes to stoke salacious stories about

(10:38):
humans and their so called oppression of superheroes, a big
through line this series. While humans at God, you are
now being treated as lesser classmen, let's say, with separate entrances,
higher security. And Andre's dad Polarity gets hired by Cipher
as part of the new all Soup faculty, the first
one ever, and you can assume that he is really

(10:58):
there to find out the truth about what happened to Andre.
Trad wife soup content that's a new thing this year.
A winged butterfly superhero. Yes, they get extra very exhausting.
They get extra credit at school for posting viral content
that supports the idea that Kate was actually attacked by Starlighters,

(11:21):
who are your kind of superhero antifascire like very obvious
analogues being made, and we will talk about that again.
And the big through line at God You is make
America super again. So if you're feeling like this might
be a good escape for you from normal daily life,
don't watch it. It's not I'd say I'd.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Escape.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Escape that you get, You get some get some interesting
notes and touches here on what I think is a
theme from last season coming through, which is God You.
Last season was all about being inclusive and kind of
the idea of how institutions play into.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
That that is gone.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Big Chief Aparchies Diversity Shack, nicely named is now super Training,
where Cipher is essentially trying to make super soldiers and
is very clearly obsessed with Marie and Marie's powers. Emma
teams up with Andre's dad to research Thomas Godolkin. In
the God You Archives, Emma is high on something she

(12:28):
thought was xanax because this is still a boy's show,
and happens to love the security guard librarian who used
to be a hero called the Rememberer, and that allows
them into the archives. We see the frat rushing with
the Deep, reclaiming his role as the sort of awful
alpha male in this new Godolkin that's more accepting of
rapists and racists than ever. That's a hard pill for

(12:51):
Andre's dad to swallow, especially when Emma, you know, and
he discovered that the archives include an extensive amout of
just like Neo Nazi and Ku Klux clam memorabilia, as
well as a file about the Adessa Project.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Can just pause you here to say, I love these
These two are so cute together. Shockingly Yes, I'm wow,
look at a like a respectable teacher or somebody with
like actual like like every time we thought I was like,
oh no, it's gonna gothing, he's like yeah, he's like actually,
I'm just a concerned parent, Like it's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
What's happening. Someone explained it to me.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
I mean, we get.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
This is really funny because you can like trying to
recap this show without including every insane sequence of superheroes.
I will say, while they are in the archive, Emma
accidentally grows to a giant size and it's completely naked, and.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Andre's dad just this, yeah, very fun bit. And Andre's
dad proves.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
That he is a good guy because he's just like,
oh my god, giant teenager boobs go away like I
don't want to see them leave me alone, And those
two are clearly becoming a little duo to very fund
very fun duo and also nice to see an adult
who isn't like the worst person in the world on
this show.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yes, and we learn about Project Odessa.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
It seems to be what how Homelander was created, essentially
breeding a superpowered baby by putting the into its genetics
rather than as an injection, which we know can.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Have terrible side effects.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And guess what, it is full of dead babies in
that file.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Every baby died except for.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
One baby called Marie Moreau, who is now the chosen
one in this universe. That would be a good, important
thing for Marie to know, but she's too busy making
sweet love with Jordan, who she then quickly tells immediately
that she loves, which is just one of the sweetest,
awkwardest teen things they get right about this show. They

(14:50):
are disturbed by that awkward moment because Jordan does not
respond by the fact that people with Dazzlers style powers
apparently many of them. Lots of people got firework power
in this universe. We learn they are celebrating the killing
of an innocent black man whom Marie had earlier saved
from the biggots at the Strip Mall. He was killed

(15:10):
at the hands of Dog, not the bounty hunter, and
just in time to cause more chaos, we learn that
he is being blamed for the attack of Kate, and
Kate wakes from her coma sees what her possession did
to the nurse, which by the way, caused the nurse
to stab another nurse in the eye. Quite disturbing yes,
and sadly for her, evil Cipher is outside ready to

(15:32):
blackmail her into doing more terrible things for the so
called greater good, which is basically Kate's entire art in
this show. And we will come back for a final
episode three recap and.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Quick discussion after some add and we're back.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
A new human student working jitter Bean the coffee shop
gives us some insight into the anti human mindset. Settling
in at God You, Marie and Jordan decide to hunt
down her Marie's Auntie Pam, who blames Marie her parents' death,
while Kate is back with a fake arm and apparently
serious PTSD, including her powers which are not working in

(16:23):
the ways she would expect. Hero Optimization Class, as they
call it, seems to be ramping up Cipher centers on
Marie and the potential of her blood bending. Does he
know she's Adessa? Yes, probably, and we will learn that
that is true. Sam, he's losing it. Everyone's a puppet again,
which never goes well for him. Marie reveals that due

(16:44):
to how she got her powers, Jordan was the first
person that she ever had sex with, and while Jordan
could be sweeter, they're a little distracted by the fact
that they are now number one in the rankings and
God you is coveting photos of them in both gender
representations after the speech that Bought wrote for them, calling
them transtastic and saying that everyone.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Was assigned author at birth.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Jordan reveals this is very interesting and rare in TV
that they are not trans. They are actually by gender,
some nice representation we never really get. Emma helps out
the human at Jita being to try and solve who
their kind of repeat resist graffiti artists that's causing them
so much trouble. Turns out that it is a chameleon

(17:29):
who Emma wants to make. Yes, you think that this
is not a good person, but it seems like some
of the students at least are not happy about how
God You is treating humans right now.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
So Sam needs Kate to save.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Him from his own guilt and accountability, but because she
can't use her powers without accidentally killing him, he is
left to his own devices, which is never a good situation,
seeing as he was raised in a prison and he
can't control his emotions. Jordan tries to help him, leading
to a fun all out battle through campus until it
becomes clear that Sam is feeling suicidal, so Jordan and

(18:11):
he decide to smoke it up, always a good idea
when you're depressed, and come up with a plan for
him to head home. Meanwhile, Marie is on the hun
for aunt Pam manages to track her down to an
apartment where Pam refuses to take any ownership in the
fact that she abandoned a young woman out of fear
when Marie needed her most, which may I just say
like when we met Marie in season one, she was

(18:33):
literally in like a juvenile delinquency prison, like she was
left there after accidentally killing her parents when she got
her period. That was the moment I realized jen v
was not gonna pull punches in its why a kind
of exploration of the boys. Pam then reveals that Marie's
parents couldn't get pregnant, so they took part in an

(18:53):
all expenses paid IVF treatment at a clinic at where
Else got you where Marie was conceived and we learned
through photos later born into the hands of none other
than Dean Cipher himself. Emma discovers that Harper, one of
her fellow students, is the graffiti artist and enlists her
in her roommate to help in their anti God youth scheming.

(19:15):
Emma is the only one who just wants to stop
playing along and fuck things up, so we support her
in that, though she is probably gonna make.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
A mess of it.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Marie comes to terms with the fact her sister Annabeth,
who she has been looking for since she accidentally killed
her parents, has been living with her aunt Pam for years,
and it's an unhappy family reunion. And speaking of family reunions,
Jordan and Sam, oh yeah, no, speaking of family reunions,
Sam decides he is going to go back home and

(19:42):
we will see the fallout of that coming soon, seeing
as his parents locked him in a prison and allowed
vote to steal his own powers for their superpowered son.
At the newly restored Thomas Goodolkin Day returned to a
previously erased racist tradition, Jordan tells Marie he loves her,
which seems to be out of character until it becomes

(20:04):
clear that Jordan plans to tell the truth about what
happened to Kate and Andre in front of the whole
school and their ever more fascist student body.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Jordan does just that and reveals that Andre died.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
A hero and it was them who attacked Kate, and
the school is not into it. There's lots of booing,
lots of jeering, and it is on that note that
we leave god you until next week. Oh my god.
Three episode premieres. When will you guys forgive up? Like,
give us a break?

Speaker 5 (20:31):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I love to be able to watch that much TV,
but it's a lot. Three episodes as a starter is
a lot. How were you guys feeling after these three episodes?

Speaker 6 (20:40):
I thought like this was a good number of episodes
that starts off on like you really get a good
understanding of, like this is what season's about. The mystery
is kind of well established, you know, I'm all about
as me and it helps it really does. I think
you could have gone week to week, but this really
is like it punches it up. You're like, I'm here,
I'm ready to dive in.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
So yeah, you know what the conflict.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Saw exactly exactly Jason.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Before we started, we were talking a little bit about
your reaction to the show, and you had some interesting
thoughts and I wanted to talk about them.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, I like the show.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
If I want to first preamble, I really liked the show,
and I think it's a I think it's at this.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Point better than The Boys.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I think that I was really impressed with the integration
with various plot lines and characters from the Boys, and
the way it puts you so squarely in the timeline.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Of the you understand exactly where you are in the.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Timeline of the Boys. I think the acting's great. I
think the way they dealt with the loss of chance
has is impressive. Now not to be the guy that
makes it, I can feel already about like people being like,
why is it got to be about this? But here
is my watching these episodes, I like have this very

(22:03):
kind of like under the surface feeling that like I
can't escape from and it's about how this show appears
to be like it it's using the very common superhero
metaphor of like power and oppression, right, and essentially kind

(22:25):
of importing like the X Men metaphor into the equation
where people with powers are actually the minority in this world.
And we see Cipher kind of foisting this ideology on
the kids, like don't you understand, like if the humans
team up against us, we're finished and we are also

(22:46):
superior to them, which I think is interesting, and but
I can't escape this feeling that like this is a show.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
About how.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's a show that allows a white audience to feel
oppressed and therefore justified in using power, and that even
with the characters of color, they exist essentially within a
white milieu, never connecting aside from like you can you

(23:27):
can point to like oh, here's a moment, and here's
a moment, but aside from these very rare moments, they
are really never connecting with their Black americanness, Asian americanness.
They are always existing with this within this white power
structure that they don't question. Yes, the show is about

(23:52):
creeping fascism or overt fascism, and the way that the
fascism of this world solidifies its power. And yet even
though that is the villain, our heroes like never think
about it, engage with it, push back against it in
a meaningful way. It's all about this kind of very

(24:14):
circumscribed and targeted plot line mission that they are on
that deals with them personally in the way that they
have lost or been hurt or had trauma, and it's
never about like anything larger than that. And listen, I
think there's an interesting question here about like, can you

(24:35):
fight fascism using the power of fascism?

Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know, like necessarily it's yeah, what's it cool? That's
it's the Luthen argument. You're like, sure, using that, can
you do those of your oppressor to fight them?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
But but Euthan named the enemy, right, And m hmmm,
I guess I'm a little irked that it feels like
my heroes never name the enemy, and I'm left wondering
if they are not merely the latest and.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
More more graspable version of the enemy.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
This is essentially, this is a feeling that I have
that I'm not even fully able to.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Take it to describe aversation.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
But I'm left over these three episodes which I really enjoyed. Again,
I think this is a really good show. I'm left wondering,
like just feeling weird about it. I don't know and
if I'm.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
The only one that I'm the only one and I'm over.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Nauticalized by these No you're not, just let me, let me,
let me hop in.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Because I had a similar experience with a different text.
I don't think i've read Mlang's Blood over Brighthaven, but
the story similarly with like there's there's a class that's
being marginalized.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You see a lot from the girl who's from.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
A class of power, and the whole time she was like,
I don't understand why these people are oppressed, and it's
so annoying, and I'm like, what are we doing? I
hate this character. I hates any time with her. By
the end of the book, you get to a point
where she's like, oh, the problem is me. Problem is this,
And also I can't eradicate it out of myself, so
I'm gonna have to radicalize myself. And I completely it

(26:21):
was so like mesmerizingly good by the end of it.
But the slog to get there, and I don't even
call it slog because it's like it's well written and
like the journey there makes sense so that by the
time you get there, it's like valid. But like I think,
as people of color currently fighting a lot of different
types of oppression at once, like watching it be homogenized
into a system of like, oh, well, we're all oppressed

(26:43):
is really annoying. And I think also it's really difficult
to watch people who literally have powers being like I'm
powerless and terrified when you're just like what, it's really hard.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
That is the thing that that just on a kind
of existential level, but in a small way, not in
a way that like this show is ruined for me. No,
it's like a little warning light that I'm like, I
don't know about this. I don't know where we're going
with this. Yeah, is that exact dynamic, Joelle. The powerful

(27:16):
people who are like, actually I'm the victim. That makes
me feel a little weird. It just makes me feel
a little.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think you are right to feel weird.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I would say, like, I love that this conversation is
you guys are having this conversation, because I do think
especially the first season, this was also something it really
really struggled with my current gut reading of it. I'm
hoping that by the end of the season we end
up in a situation where we are able to have

(27:48):
our heroes say what the problem is because the Boys
has been dealing with it for a long time, this
idea of these white supremacist heies. Jason, I know, me
and you were both feel like the Boys kind of
fell off posts. You know, storm Breaker or whatever her
name was, you know, and I think that storm Watch maybe,

(28:08):
but I think that like there is a tendency for
this show to go all out in the silliness or
even all out in that emotional character stuff which I love,
but not necessarily reckon with the stuff it's putting on screen.
I wonder if that will change this season, simply because
I do think this is adding to a trend that

(28:31):
we have been noticing for twenty twenty five, which is
essentially like the no subtext trend, where everything is just text.
And I feel like a lot of people who are
watching this, I mean, even super producer Ian mentioned it
felt almost like two on the nose, and I think
that that, along with you know how a lot of
people have been resonating with certain parts of Alien Earth

(28:54):
and the corporate kind of ownership of alien Earth and
the Shenanigans of rich people who are not necessarily the
most clever people or people you want to be in
charge of stuff. I do wonder if twenty twenty five
has gotten us to a place and we're going to
talk about him too where I also believe that as
a movie with essentially no subtext, it's just all texts,
I am like very interested in where we're at, which

(29:16):
is I think that these things are supposed to be
subtextual stories, but I think that our reality has caught
up way faster too.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Things that are supposed.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
To be analogous and seem over the top actually seem like, well,
maybe you're not being real enough about it. Maybe it's
actually not.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
You're I think you might be onto something with You're
onto something, yeah, yeah, but can I.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Plus it with this? We also know like in this country,
like reading comprehension is down, and media literacy has never
been on, And so I think that there's something to
be said about artists being like if I tackle the
problem head on, but make it so visually compelling or
like way over the top funny and bizarre, can I
then connect you to the message in a way that
it's like literally coming to entertainment. It's seeking up on

(30:01):
you in that like you know, and I think for
a lot of folks, like they're watching and consuming a
lot more television or TV shows or YouTube than they
are reading about what's actually happening in the world. And
perhaps I wonder now that this is a solution, but
perhaps it's just like a good thing that artist, maybe
like you would have just spell it out so that
we can maybe get on the same page about stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Because I will say the read that I had and
this is obviously I think just living here and on
the specific of like that notion of like Superos being oppressed,
which is really funny because we have lived with the
X Men doing it and finally getting it right after
like forty plus years, you know, they were able to
kind of expand it out of just this idea of
some white heroes who are oppressed that this you're like, okay, guys, like,

(30:44):
have we not solved this already? Though I will say
my read specifically on it being used by the dean
of this institution was very much felt to me like
a commentary about how like rich white people are often
saying that they are the ones who are oppressed in
our real world and that leads to a lot of
oppression of actually marginalized people. Yes, but also it's like,

(31:05):
am I just living? Does that feel relevant to me?
Because of the time? Is it intentional? I think the
show could move with a little bit more intention when
it comes to the way it's using analogies of racism
and race and white supremacy when it has a cost
of lead characters who are people of color, who, like
you said, barely get to ever interact with their own culture.
So I think you touch on something very important, and

(31:27):
I'm interested to see how the rest of the season
kind of shakes out, because this feels like you could
finally say that that's bad.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
I feel like finally we've gotten there. You can be
like it's bad when people do this, but I guess
we will. Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
In a lot of ways, it reminds me of like
the confusion of people who realized, for whatever seasons it
is into the boys that like Homeland.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Hermanda was a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, it feels that very obvious text feels almost even
more buried in a way that can either be like
really interesting in gen v or Eve or troubling to me,
but I'm unsure about like how it's gonna shake out
at this point.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
I think that makes you make a great point, you
do you do there?

Speaker 6 (32:18):
In addition to kind of, you know, expanding this world
in a really beautiful way, I think this show also
has done a really good job of like.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Folding inward.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
And by that I mean I guess, yeah, a lot
of the like little plot lines you have in season
one that could have easily just been forgotten about and
then never talked about again, they bring them back in
such beautiful ways, like Jordan wanting to be number one
and being best friends with the former number one and
then that guy dying.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That's all like episode one.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Like you could easily have move passed up, but to
come back to it, like see Jordan get their dreams,
like right now at this really pivotal point, make the
choice to actually be a hero and be like, no,
I'm just gonna tell y'all.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
How you're true.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
That's suddenly Jordan is so much more interesting to me again,
Like I like Jordan, but before they were kind of
just like I want to win it, I'm not and
I'm moody about it, and I've got some family issues,
which is, you know, good, but this is instantly much
more compelling. I'm obsessed with Hamish links.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
He's so scared.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He's really good ship.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
He always power. What are let's figure out, let's.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
What are powers?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
That's the big Is he a human? He says a
lot like he often talks about how he he doesn't.
He's like I see everything, like I don't know. Does
he have a power he can see through other people
like that eyes kind of like what we were bragging
on boy Cavaliet for not utilizing in the hybrids his
power like.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
One of those like game theory type powers where he's
like I.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
See the full game, like I see the yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Yeah, maybe something like that. And then I also to
wonder if if he uses his powers, he has a
deteriorating thing too.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
And that maybe he knows about.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
We get that very.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
Quick clip of the chamber when Blondie's trying to escape
his house after she comes in and she's like tell
him the truth.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's like, girl, contemplate your actions. Get out of my house.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
You see like this what looks like hyper chamber or
something along the lines in the corner, And I was like, oh,
is there a health issue? Connected to his powers that
he's trying, and he can only use them when absolutely necessary.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
He's just so.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Terrifying and like chilling and even his like gladiator system
of testing the students. I was like, we're really in
our demonic school bag in here. I low the it's crazy.
I will say this. We've invoked the name of the
X Men. So the whole time, I'm like, it's insane
to me. The Marble doesn't have X Men up and on.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
So long we have been just put me in a
school day.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Watching this made me feel like sat.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Very concerningly x Men ninety seven aside, like what was
our what was our immediate reaction to X Men ninety
seven was Wow, they they did it. They did they
did They did the thing that the X Men is about,
and they went there.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
My fear badly for X Men.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
The live action version is a bunch of people in
a room trying to figure out how to stand all
the hard exactly exactly exactly noble, ambiguous, kind of catch
crazy version.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Of that, and that's what excares me.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Watching this was like made me feel like, oh shit,
like are they figuring out? Are they trying to figure out?
Like how to do what this show is doing, but
even more ambiguous and they wholesome.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
And I do.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Think as well that it's not it's no surprise that
we think about the X Men and stuff because also
like Cipher, as far as from what we know. You know,
obviously we've seen him blend Kate's hand and stuff, but
a lot of the stuff, like having a room where
the kids have to fight each other and use that powers,
that's Charles Xavier behavior.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
So I think it's normal for us.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
To be and I will say, yeah, I'm excited because
I also think the gladiatorial conversation and the way that
he trains the students, and I always thought the ranking
system was an interesting way of looking at college sports
and analogous.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
For the way that college sports exploited people.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
And I think that we're in a good situation now
with something like him, which we're going to talk about next,
that I think is so textual that you can't deny
what it's about. And I feel like jen V needs
to get to the place where people can't be confused
whether Homelander is the bad guy or not. You know,
I think you sum that up perfectly. So anyway, let's

(36:44):
do it. Let's go to him, I guess it.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Let's go to.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Him, Timothy, Timothy Shamalay.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
And we're back to talk him, and we'd like to
bring in him himself.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Super producer, Ian Ian himself.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Come, let's talk about Let's talk about the new movie Him,
which we were lucky enough to see a screening last night,
directed by Justin Tipping, of course, executive produced by Jordan Peel,
starring Marlon Wayans, Tariq Withers, Julia Fox, Tim Heideker, and others.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I was, I was listen. I was blown away by
this movie.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I don't think it lands all that it's trying to create,
and it is at times, for me, more metaphor than
actual story at times, but I love the size of
the swing, and it at times has things to say
that feel so fucking necessary.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Just incredible, incredible film.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Your thoughts, Ian, Well, before we get into more of
the themes in the metaphor and everything, I just want to
talk about some of the more technical and aesthetic aspects
of the movie. I think visually it was stunning. I
think the way it was shot and edited was just beautiful.
And then Joel and I were talking about this when
we came out of the theater. The use of music,
the soundtrack is awesome. The use of music, and then

(38:19):
the sound design. I think the sound design, yes, might
be the best part.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Every sound of like everything, you felt it every time
you did.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
You were in the same situation as me. I believe
you were in the front front row of the Imax Ryes. Okay,
so the sound design there that shit was shaking your
chair like you were in when the first jump scare
happens and you get this woman who kind of hits
him on the way to heading.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
To the window and she slams on the window.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
It literally shook our chairs and everyone in the audience
was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (38:59):
The sound was amazing.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I also, Ian, why don't you quickly just explain what
the what happens in the movie because it's like you
can explain it in five minutes.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Is it really is a ViBe's film?

Speaker 8 (39:10):
Yeah, So basically, Marlon Wains plays the greatest quarterback of
all time essentially, and the main character Cade is an aspiring,
you know, product prodigy quarterback and as a kid he's
watching you know, one of Marlon's Isaiah White, does his
characters name watching one of Isaiah's games and he wins

(39:31):
the game, but he breaks his leg in like a
horrific injury, and his dad is like, that's what a
real man does, you know. He puts his body on
the line, He sacrifices to be great, like do you
want to be the greatest?

Speaker 9 (39:41):
Like?

Speaker 8 (39:41):
Do you want to be the next Isaiah? Do you
want to be him? And so we fast forward to
kid as an adult and he's getting ready to enter
the league, but he's attacked and suffers a brain injury,
and so that puts his chances of making the league
kind of in jeopardy. But he gets offered an opportunity
to train with Isaiah, who is contemplating retirement. He's getting

(40:05):
up there in age, and so he goes to his
remote compound in the desert to train with him. And
it starts out as a nice like mentorship training thing,
and then it devolves into some weird sinister shit, some
weird ritualistic stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Mm hm, very viby, yeah, just grllo inspired. It was
giving Like if I was going to make a niche
sub subgenre for it, the way they do on Let
a Box, I would say it's like a gallo American
folk horra or American giallo folk cora, because it's very
much about the folkloric nature of football and football icons

(40:41):
and mascots and uses that to create its own kind
of like accult mythology.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yes, but I would say I agree with both of you.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I think for me, the thing that blew me away
so much was one that nobody had ever made a
horror movie about this before, because when you actually think
about what it takes to be a professional athlete, I
think that the storytelling is so clean and so clear
with the notion of what you have to sacrifice, whether
it's your own body, whether it is your own health.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Because he goes to the compound.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
With CTE with a traumatic strain injury, it is actually
in that way, it's actually a disabled lead in a movie,
to which I thought was really interesting because that impacts
how he visualizes the space.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
And I just thought, as somebody who has, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Come to America two thirds of the way through my
life so far, and was like kind of learning about
the NFL and about football and about history of football,
and about colleges and the way that kids couldn't make
money when from their own likenesses until recent laws. I
just felt like everything that the movie was saying, I
was like, it's not that extreme. I feel like it's

(41:55):
a stylized representation of what you were asked to do,
but in a way that is just saying, yeah, this
ship will fuck you up. But like I thought that
like obviousness was just really appealing to me, the simplicity
of that message.

Speaker 8 (42:10):
Yeah, because that's the other thing. It's it's a tight
it's a tight film. It's only like maybe an hour
until which is which is good, which is really But
so I think it was tight. And to Rosie's point,
it's like the message it's trying to get across is
very clear, it's very straightforward, and I think they do
a good job of accomplishing it. But Jason, what are

(42:30):
your thoughts on the movie? How did you feel about
the story?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
And Well, the story doesn't the story doesn't hold up
all throughout the film, not for me anyway. I think
the most impactful part of it is probably the first
like two acts of the.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Film, Yes I Am, and then the climax. But I
think the thing that.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
The thing that I really engaged with was it does
become more metaphor than story. But the metaphor is so
important to me and powerful and and it you know,
I was left thinking about how I don't know if
anybody has been to these you know, there's been a
trend in the last like ten years, maybe twelve years
of like barbershops, men's barbershops. It was kind of like

(43:13):
overly stylized like old timey, you know, with the old.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Chair yeah, yeah, yeah, big in London.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
And it's to me that always represented a thing, a
way for modern dudes to engage with like the trappings
of old timey antique, old school masculinity in a way
that was positive, in a way that we can hey,
we can all agree that like getting a nice cream,

(43:43):
like the shave with the hot cream, and like we
can all agree that that's great, and the hot towel,
and that we'd all agree that that that our forefathers loved.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
That and that's cool. That's a thing that they liked
to do.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
That was good, exactly exactly right. And I think the
thing that I was that I really that left that
I'm still thinking about about him is the way it says, hey,
here's the stuff that we that are forefathers, that the
people who built this country love to do and that
we we found a way to keep doing it that

(44:16):
we still love, like measuring black men and see how
big and tall they are, How big and tall we
love to measure, how big and tall and strong they are,
and we have found a way to keep doing it
through foot and that part of it, that part of
him is so powerful and unnerving to watch when they

(44:41):
have that scene Caid goes to the compound.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
And he skipped the combine.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
They have skipped them could do it, and of course
and the and the goats, like personal sports medicine physician
is like, okay, let's take your measurements, and they do
it right there, and you know they're measuring him from
head to toe.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
They're saying crazy shit about.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Him, and it is so like it's such a visceral
moment that you that I felt like time collapse almost
where it's like we felt and it is that feeling
of Wow, we found a way to keep doing this,
haven't we. Yeah, but we don't want to talk about

(45:24):
how similar this is to things that have happened in
the past. And it's those moments that I've found to
be the most powerful about about him.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Greag.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
I also liked, you know, the religious like subtext and
context throughout. You know, the team that he's trying to
make is called the Saviors. There's a lot of like
Jesus imagery.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
You know.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
One of the lines that Marlin delivers that there's the
famous saying, you know, God family football, but he inverts
it so it's football family God. But he also like
used himself as a god.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Can we talk about that?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Because Joelle made one an incredible point, which was when
he perceives him like where he is obviously God, but
when he perceives himself like he puts that at the end,
so he like perceives himself lesser than football and family,
which I thought was a really interesting read. But also
the other thing that I thought was really funny. I

(46:17):
don't know if you heard this, but the guy who
sat next to us the whole through the movie completely chill,
Like we are popping off at a couple of friends
there who are really stoked about the movie.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Some of this stuff early on.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
When they were like calling him like slurs, when they
were measuring him and stuff, My friends were like just
couldn't believe.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
That that it was. They were just saying it the
way it is really done in football and stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
But the bit the guy next to us, the only
time he made like an outward exclamation of shock was
when they said he went, you know they say like family,
a good family, football, Well I say football family, God.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
And this guy next to us went, what like that
was like.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
The most salacious thing, and we were just dying after that.
But yeah, I thought the writing around that kind of
stuff was really great. I also, as again coming from
the outside of something I hadn't really considered about football culture,
I thought that the kind of a cultish dedication of
the fans outside, I thought they did a really good

(47:20):
job of just bringing that aspect of like when you
are a celebrity and you unknown and the way people
interact with you and the like kind of how scary
it must be to see these sweaty painted fans like
running at you.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
But I also felt like that probably is another thing
that like is scary as shit when you're a young
guy in college, like and suddenly these people start actually
they have ownership, and I just thought it was interest Weirdly.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
That was the part that like didn't that the fans
was the part that didn't really work for me. That
was when I felt like the movie lost it's its momentum.
It was really about like can uh, how far will
he go to be him? Right after they've shown us
like really what this process is?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
That to me is the most interesting thing.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
And then.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And then the movie goes to another level when we
see the climax of it in his essential like very
violent rejection of this entire of this entire process.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, and talk a little bit about that, because it's
very different to these movies. They usually don't end. They
usually end with someone accepting it rather than rejecting it.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
Right, So towards the end of the movie, there's you know,
the big climax after he basically when Isaiah reveals what
is really going on, that they've been ingesting the blood
of like the previous great quarterbacks from the team throughout
generations and that's how they're able to maintain this power.
Whoever has the blood is the goat and there can
only be one. So there's a showdown between the two

(48:50):
of them and Caid wins and then he comes out
of the tunnel into the field on the compound and
you know the owner from the team is there is
agent all the cheerly. There's Julia Fox's character is there,
and they want him to sign costumes, yes weird ritualistic
like pig masks, and they want him to sign the
contract essentially like signing away his soul, you know, and

(49:14):
he rejects it and then brutally slaughters everyone there in
a like in like kill Bill style level, like blood
sprang everywhere. But you know, I think that part was
also interesting. The again, the metaphor you know, of he's
he's selling his soul, sacrificing his soul and his humanity
to become the greatest. But also it's the notion that

(49:38):
he is basically like the owners in this cabal of
people running the team or you know, using black bodies
as a commodity for their entertainment or to generate revenue
or income or anything, which you know is historically like
basically what sports have been America.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
It's the and the line again, I think this is
that text versus subtext thing. Is like the line where
they have Tim Hideker like yell at him like you're
not special. We groomed you from childhood to be in
this position. That shit's just true again, like that is
the way that whiteness can perceive what they do for

(50:19):
talented athletes. I thought it was very honest. In some ways.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I enjoyed the yellow like bloody climax of him violently
rejecting this entire power structure.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I also left.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Feeling like, you know, I love the I love the
listen it is true that football is this machine that
grinds up people's bodies and leaves them hollow, permanently incapacitated,
sometimes brain damage to an almost horrific degree. And at

(50:52):
the same time, like, while I found the violent rejection
to be like really cathartic, I was also left feeling like,
and yet we will be watching the football. There's someday
exact multi billion dollar machine, Like is this not just
a way that we is this like you know, like

(51:13):
there's a I guess it's just a reflection of my
own like interior cynicism about so much you know about
this thing these days. But I was left feeling like,
I'm glad that that happened, that that somebody said it
and pointed out like what a fucked up thing this is.
And at the same time, how do we score that
with the fact that we are still watching.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I do think, yeah, I think that's a really good point.
I also think I definitely feel like the pacing is
off a little bit in that thad act, Like the
fight feels like it happens too quick, like between them,
there's such a good build up to it. But I don't,
I don't necessarily it happens pretty fast. I also do

(51:55):
think as much as it's stylistically very enjoyable and you
love to see k it, I think that a lot
of times in stories like this, you end with the
person finding a way to you know, ready or not,
we end with Tomorrow weaving. She survives and all the
other people die, so she is.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Allowed to live on.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
After this, I think that the interior logic of the
film does slightly loosen and you start to ask more
questions than you maybe would have found a different and
it's very cathartic.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Well, I will say in the set, I think you're
right in this sense, Rosie, which is it's after the movie.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I don't know. To me, the most interesting question is like, okay,
what now? Exactly what you do now?

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Because so many people were like we need him too,
like they wanted because it is where he went.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
It's it's one thing to, like in a moment of
catharsis and revolutionary violence, to reject this, But the question
is what do you do after and.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Do you think that's doing that?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
You know even that, like I mean because like listen,
this the the the team is meant and to to
uh embody.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
The entire yeah, the organization, all.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Of football, right, But so like the question then becomes
like how do we how do we reject that?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Like it's the it's this.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I feel the same way about it as I feel
when I have conversations with my communist friends where I'm like,
you don't even realize how how much the system that
you reject validates your emotional needs, you know, Like it
was the same kind of citizen I felt when I

(53:42):
played Animal Crossing for the first time during the pandemic,
and like.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Even when even when we're.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Like I hate capitalism, it's killing us, but you know,
the late capitalism is strong the world yaha, YadA yahda,
we can we can imagine still, It's all we can imagine. Still,
it's the only way we can like have fun and
quote unquote escape. And that's the part of it where
I'm like, oh fuck, like what I do need him

(54:10):
to because like, tell me that you have an answer
to this, and I feel like the unfortunately the answer
is the answer. The staring all of us in the
face all the time is like none of us have
the answer.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yeah, it's also like the personal revolution can only take
you so far, you know, as a singular person.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
But yeah, I feel like, what do you guys feel like?
I feel like this movie could be huge and I
feel like it could miss. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
I thought it was really fun. I thought I think
it would be interesting. Yeah, what do you think.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
I think it could open to as big as like
fifty mil that's my guess.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
And I think that would be a big opening for
this movie, because this is not an a twenty four movie,
even though it feels like one.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
Yeah, I think that the Jordan Peele association will get
people in the door. And I think that's gonna be
intrigued for a lot of people. And you know, to
the point that we made earlier, a lot of Jordan
Peele directed and or produced movies, you know, tackle these
different aspects of our society through his unique lens. And
this one is sports, which is, you know, a unique

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twist on a horror movie, so I think it will
have a good opening weekend, get people in the door.
But once people start seeing it, I don't know if
it's going to have legs necessarily because I think to
not to compare it to like a get Out or
something like that, but I just don't think it's as
short of a movie.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I think it's fair to do that because I think
as soon as they put they say it's monkey Pole,
they say it. I think it's okay to compact because
that's what people look to me want to do.

Speaker 8 (55:41):
It's not on that level in my opinion, but story wise,
story but visually and like everything else, and like the performances,
which is another thing we haven't touched on really, but
I think Marlon Wayne's was excellent in this. I think
this could be a career defining performance for him.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
I feel like it too.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
I feel like he goes completely wild and I feel
like it's.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
Super sinister but also charismatic, and the way he can
switch it on a dime like was incredible because you know,
we haven't really seen too many dramatic roles from him
like this, so I think this could be, like I said,
a career defining moment for him where this might open
up opportunities to do more films like this. And then
Julia Fox, I think was also a nice little standout surprist.
She's so good, she's hilarious in it, so yeah, yeah, very.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Very funny, and she's very aware of the movie she's in.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I think that's like and Marlon is the same, I
feel like, and I feel like the biggest influence here
aside from you know, having Monkey Paul be a production
company and the money that Jordan Peel's able to bring
him because of the successive get Out and his other films,
But like, I also feel like that leaning into comedy
occasionally was very peelish the way that you're able to

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balance because it's not a horror comedy. But there are
moments like after he pulls when he pulls the gun
on Cade and then he's like afterwards, he's like, let's
just hang out like bro Like, let's just do like
what bros do. And then they cut and they he's
like out in the desert shooting like old shit.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
The only like bros would never just hang out and
do like.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
There was a lot of moments in there where there
was like good laughs, which I think you wouldn't expect
from how sinister and gory the movie is. I also
want to shout out I love the choice of how
much of like the X ray style cinematography they used
was very clever, a totally unique version of what we've seen.

(57:31):
It kind of reminds me they have a moral combat
move like that. They call it X ray and you
get to see people's bodies being broken and stuff. But
I felt like the way they did it here in
the different times that they chose to show it and
show the damage that was being done or the way
they were fighting the internal damage, I just thought was
so unique and visually again like really striking.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
It's beautiful, It's incredible like it it's a delight for
the eyes.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I think it'll be essentially a cult film.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
I think so too right.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
We'll have a nice opening and.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I see and I think it will it will grow
in stature, I think as the years go on. But
I don't think it's going to be a hit necessarily
is a cult film.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I think it's a cult film, and I also think
it could find a good home in seasonal viewing because
I feel like people always want to have a movie
to watch when it's Thanksgiving, have a movie to watch
when it's Christmas. Heave them this feels like you could
watch this anytime, or is whenever the season's about to start.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start to have La
cinemas screening this every year at the beginning of NFL season,

(58:37):
Like it feels like it could have that kind of
longevity and that kind of carving its own space as
a seasonal watch. But yeah, I'm really and I'm most
excited to just see how it does because I feel
like it's so much more inventive and visually strange and
absurd than a lot of wide release movies. So I'm
hoping this can be a kind of crossover. But I

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think you're right, Jason, and it's it's got cult movie
written all over.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll be right
back with the whole crew to discuss our sports movies
that are not considered sports movies.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
And we're back. Let's welcome in the entire crew.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Welcome Aaron, Welcome Joelle, Welcome Ian who's already been here
watching him. We were left feeling like, Okay, great sports movie,
that's not really a sports So then what are what
are movies that are not considered sports movies that we
consider sports movies? And what are our favorite versions of those?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Let's start with it.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
This is my favorite challenge that you proposed, Jason, if
I could say, really we.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Can day I brought this up with someone. It's like opened.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
In the car on the hallway home off this him
last night, just like a forty five minute drive just
about this, because you start to get into those same
issues we had with sci fi, like what does it
mean to be a sports movie? Like does it have
to be about the sport? Does it have to have
the lead person playing a sport? Does it have to
revolve around a certain game like a big play? At

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the end, there's lots of interesting conversations. But but Aaron,
what is your controversial sports movie that's not a sports
movie that you were going to argue is a sports movie?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
All right?

Speaker 9 (01:00:31):
So this movie centers around the competition. It takes place
in Philly, which is a sports town if I've ever
heard of one. The movie does like a really really
good job of fleshing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Out must your face right now is so are you
like anti Philly? Joel is that what that was or what? No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Just first it's like, is it the town? No, that's Boston.
I'll just have that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, my sports movie is key No, all right.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
The movie is a really great job fleshing out multiple
teams of competitors, and what I really like is it
highlights kind of the darker, more salacious side of sports
off the court or off the field. So it has
you know, like ex lovers, psychotherapists, there's a trophy wife,
they have affairs with their trainers. Like this is a

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complex movie about like the dark side of sports. They also,
for making the movie, had to stage the entire competition.
They couldn't record it an actual one, so there's over
sixty hours of footage shot for this movie. And the
final thing at the end of the movie, we follow
all the competitors home and we find out what their
fates are. Some of them have parlayed their sports fame

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into a music career, some of them have left their
partner for a trainer. Some of them are now like
posing for calendars, and others of them are like making.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You know, I think I got I know, yeah, I know,
Like name the fucking movie first.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
It's gonna be so dumb as you are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Editor, I feel like you need to say the movie first,
because I've forgotten what the fuck we're talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:02:09):
It's obvious I'm talking about best in Show. Christopher guests nice.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
No good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I think that's a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
I think it's good. I think it's that I love
the leaden.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
I agree, it's just dog sports.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I love it if it works and it's beautiful. That
was amazing. What a journey.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
Who dares follow that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I'll go next. I had such a hard time. I
called my dad. I was like, Dad, sports.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
He was like, the ultimate sports movie is Brian's songs, like,
but people don't often think about it because it's sad,
And I was like, oh, kind of, but it's it's
also about truvents. No, I'm gonna pass on that one.
So then I was like, well, maybe i'se pick like
an endurance movie, Like is The Matrix technically a sports
movie because you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Have the marathon run and learn and train and like.

Speaker 10 (01:02:58):
He exactly, but town like sports guns are in the Olympics,
Technically that's a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
So I liked it, but I still wasn't giving me
that good feeling. But then we started.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Talking about dance movies, and I was like, yeah, Suspiria
is a sports movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Is competition of ballet, about the stress of trying to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
Maintain all of that, about the community of ballet, and
like the absolute like way it can take over your
life and the dedication of it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
It's such a like fun horror movie.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
I was like, this is for sure, I'm I'm gonna I.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
Like that could be a great double bill with him too.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I feel like, aesthetically yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:03:43):
Ian, Okay, So mine is the classic Nick Cannon film.
Drum Line.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
It's a class.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
Perfect It's obviously sports adjacent. It's about a marching band,
but I think in this movie, you know, the the
drumming is the sport, but it has all the class
the tropes of a sports movie. You have the underdog story.
You know, Devin Miles comes in as like this hot
shot like guy, but he can't read music. But he's
like really talented, but you know, he's challenging the system
a little bit. Nobody wants him on the team.

Speaker 9 (01:04:13):
He's a kid who plays pick up but never played exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
There's a big there's a lot of training montages, there's
a big focus on teamwork, obviously a lot of competition
and rivalry, not only within the band trying to make
the line, but then with the other school Morris Brown.
There's a big climactic competition at the end of the movie,
you know, the tagline One Band, One Sound is the
epitome of teamwork and collaboration, which is what sports is

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all about.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
I love it. So yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
It's also just like one of my favorite movies and
an honorable mention that I had, which is essentially the
same movie, but instead of Drumming, it's with Stepping Stump
the ar. Yeah, those are two sides of the same
coin in my opinion. But yeah, I love both those movies.
So I think Drumline is a sports movie.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
I loved that one. I think that's really good. Jason
wats yours well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
I think Ian put his finger on the things that
you're looking for in a sports movie that even if
it's not considered a sports movie, which your competition, rivalry, teamwork,
the a a focus on the human form, bodies and
the talent that inhabits those bodies. And so I had

(01:05:30):
a I had a handful of ones, but I think
the one that that to me is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
A great sports movie. That's not a sports movie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Is Magic Mica, because there's more sports.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
The first one with you Magic mins. The first Magic
Mic is my first, is my favorite Magic Mike. And
I think that you've got You've got it all there.
You've got a team that doesn't understand it's a team, yet,
you've got mentorship. You've got to focus on on the
human form, on the on the athleticism and the physical
talents of the human form, and then the teamwork. And

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then you've got a challenge that needs to be met
and the rivalries that need to be either fostered or
put aside in order to meet that challenge. And I
mean therefore, it's got to be You've got some great montages,
it's got to be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
It's got to be Magic Mic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
For me, Okay, I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
That's I'm a magic I am a I'm a Magic
Mike lover. I love Magic Mic one and Magic Mike XXL.
I So I had some really diabolical kind of ones
I was thinking of. The stupidest fust one I was
thinking of was Matilda, because yes, in the main villain

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is an Olympic shot putter. Okay puts children throughout.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
And if she had not been that bad, and if
she had not been, you know, this sporting kind of villain,
Matilda probably would never have got her powers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
So that's my first one.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
I think it's I think it is a reach.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
I'm going to put out my real one that I
think is, in my opinion, one of the best sports
movies ever made. But maybe controversial because a lot of
what you're talking about does not happen in the movie.
I would say, what about the Safty Brothers legendary movie
Uncle Gems Features because the movie, the movie literally cannot

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exist without the existence of basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
It has basketball stars in it, and not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Just that, it has a focus on the human body.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Yes, and also at the end of the movie all
relies on one game, like the entire movie is using
hinges on the result of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
So I think I think that's one of the best.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
This is definitely going on our letterbox, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
I will add this as a list to all let
box because this is another good one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Well, I love these pics. All of these picks are
absolutely fantastic. Thank you for joining us, the super producers.
On the next episode of Extra Vision, We've got news
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