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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, I am Rosie Knight. Welcome back to X ray Vision,
the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies,
comics and pop culture. We're here at Ihart Podcast where
we'll be bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday,
Thursday and Friday, plus news on Saturdays. In today's episode,
we went to comic on Yep, we went to San
(00:37):
Diego Comic com Baby. We sat down with the Gene
Roddenberry Company and their podcast Does It Fly to bring
you another episode of You're Wrong Friend? How much science
fact is required to make good science fiction? This conversation
immediately jumps the rails when Nikem temporarily forgets which side
of the argument he is supposed to be on before
(00:57):
switching back to his original argument in the second round.
We hope you enjoy the chaos which I tried to
vamp and riff on as well as I could. Guys,
and what made this conversation really impactful with the insightful
questions that you are fans brought to the conversation. Then
I sit down with shin Godzilla director Shinji Higuchi for
(01:17):
a chat about seventy years of Godzilla and the beautiful
new four K remaster of Shin Godzilla and now our
San Diego Comic com panel with Does It Fly?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My name is Jollet Monique.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We're really excited to hear comic Con. We've got two
mega podcasts here. Okay, it's Extra Vision Rosie and Jason Rasil.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hey, that's us.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We're over and I heart podcast. We're talking movies, TV,
comic books, whatever you like. We're talking about it and
of course, yeah does it Fly.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They're get to be a science based facts okay.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
They're checking the scripts and making sure stuff would actually
work and getting down into the nitty gritty of it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So we come here today.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
To play a game. It's called Your Wrong Friend. Now,
this game was born out of love but also.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
A need to be right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Okay, So in order to play this game, here's what happens.
Somebody proposes a prompt, your friend says that's wrong. We
debate about it. It's a good time. We didn't want
clear winners, so we're mixing up the teens. It's a
battle of the sexes, everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, just.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So today our battle is does science fact improve science fiction?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Do you need facts in your movies and your TVs?
In order to make it good to share your opinions.
Having to get to it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Okay, Okay, they're ready, that's what realized, or you don't
do that fiction improving it is that advancing science.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So I'm gonna run through the parts of the game.
I'm gonna tell you guys how you're gonna help, and
then we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Okay, So first we're into opening statement statement Jason Tomorrow.
They're each gonna get two minutes to deliver an opening
statement for their individual teams and tell us why we
should believe.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
In their statements.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
M okay.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But then you're a wild friend.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay, So Rosie and a Keing, they're each gonna get
four minutes to respond to these opening statements. Then judges questions.
I'll kick us off with one question so that you
guys get an example. But that's where you guys come in.
You are our judges, so you get to go to
the mic and ask them a question. Okay, these guys
are gonna have one minute answer each one person from
each team one minute to respond, okay, and that's the game.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
At the end, we'll.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Decide together with a paddle Okay, we're flying high on facts.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I may dan with the fiction.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Let's get into it all right, who wants to go first?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
We're gonna go horsehack.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Com Jason, since you played the game, do you mind
kicking this off?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, give me Ki a seconds, pull up my timer.
Hold on. That means he's gonna say something really well.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I do have a scientist sitting to my right, so
it is it's only right and well that I will
kick this off having no science degree and bachelor's in music.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, for gentlemen, it's begin Music is math. Music is mass.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Of course, science improves science fiction because you need that grounding,
that structure to give shape to the wonderful flights of
fancy that we all do love so much. Now listen,
Is it a hard economy? Do I say that? For
instance Star Wars that has a lot of things going
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on that don't really seem to have any kind of
anchor basis in actual science. Our ability to fly faster
than light speed, our ability to harness light in a
hard form to make swords out of it. I don't
know how you would do that, or I'm sure that's something.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
There's an episode on it that's exactly right, great segway
here a seguey.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But the ability to give form to these wonderful flights
of fancy is something that I think improves sci fi
and draws us in, does it not when you say, God,
can you is that actually possible? Could that happen? Could
we fly through space in an instant? Could we send
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our minds across vast distances? The fact that we can
look at different areas of science quantum physics, for example,
and see that there are strange things happening, particles that
seem to have connections despite not being connected by anything
we know, separated by vast distances, and yet doing the
same things. These kind of things are very strange and
(05:44):
yet magical at once. And so I say, yes, of course,
science fact improves science fiction because it shows us just
how magical the real world actually is.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To everybody. Food. I've seen a lot of fly and
high people are lying into it. Okay, okay, awesome, fantastic Stotlaw,
you have the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
All right, Well, I don't disagree with most of what
you have put out there, and yes, in an ideal
world we would have both science fact contained in science fiction. However,
if we have to err on the side of one
or the other. And yes I have notes because I'm
an eternal nerdy student.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You couldn't believe how much preparation Tamarras put into this,
Like it's unbelievable. She has like a book up hit dissipation.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So stories give meaning beyond facts. If you listen to
the podcast, you know I like my quotes. The world
is not made of atoms. It is made of stories,
said poet Muriel Rockeiser, And that captures how narrative truth
can resonate more deeply than scientific data. Accurate facts and
science tell us what is, but storytelling helps us understand
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why it matters. It turns raw information into meaning. So
that's the first reason story gives meaning beyond facts. The
second reason story can sometimes from science is because shared
stories create shared culture.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I mean, we are all here at Comic con right,
we that that are All.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Beliefs and values are built on shared narratives that bind
us together. And even the most accurate scientific discovery is
going to gain significance only when it's woven into a
story that all people can connect with and champions.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So that's number two.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Number three, storytelling inspires hope, and it shapes the future.
Great story spark the imagination and we know that better
than anyone at Rod murray enter statement. And it allows
us to envision the possibilities before they become a reality.
Throughout history, it is inspiring stories of what could be,
from mythic dreams to science fiction that is catalyzed real
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scientific and social progress. It gives stories give people the
vision to dream of better futures.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So, okay, all right, I love it again.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
With time to spars, we have our two debates on
the floor.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Hakim, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes, I is all right, We're ready for your Remuddal
say it's Mississippi.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
All right.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
First off, you know I'm with Tomorrow And if you
don't know, she actually has a theme song. It goes Tomorrawa,
I love you anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When you're a redheaded child growing up.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, so just take the names of our podcast. X
ray vision. That ain't a thing, right.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Imagine you know the I is a cassive sensor, right,
Imagine if your eye was sensitive to X rays, what
would I see.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
When I look at you? Nothing?
Speaker 7 (08:53):
It will be pure blackness because X rays can't really
transmit through the atmosphere very far right. I can't look
in side of this man to see his heart beating.
If I got an X ray vision powerful, powerful, that's
a different ability. Man, Does it fly? We're talking about space.
(09:13):
Nothing flies in space. Fly ain't a thing in space.
Flight requires lift and thrust. Right, that's why you're not
weightless in an airplane like you are in space. Right,
in space, you're weightless because you only have weight when
something is stopping your natural trajectory through space time and
(09:35):
what do we call that? We call that falling?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
So, if someone ever ask you, mom, dad, how much
shes the earthway, your answer is nothing? How much shoes
the sunweight nothing? They're all weightless, right, So clearly you
do not subscribe to the position that you hold.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
SA.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This is shocking.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, unheard of, Cory is.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You know, we are human beings and we live by story,
and you know those stories can be things that cause
conflict and difficulties in our lives, but not when it
comes to entertainment. Yes, we nerds can get into a fistfight, right,
who's more powerful, Superman or Crypto?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Yeah, we've seen it, right, this is entertainment.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
We love this and these stories you know they power
us and you know Tomorrow's right, he.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Won't Okay, I just need to say I am happy
to uh. I will now be switching positions. So it's
going to be a travish eimer. I guess it's a
podcast beef. But go on, finish, finish your last How
much Joel? How much more does Keema do it?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I rest my case why I don't know if it's Carlavo.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, all right, Rodie, are you ready now that you've
switched science? I guess I'm switching side. Okay, all right,
well here's I got an argument for you. Well, but
the incredible preparation, as always do science stories need to
be actually factual. I'll tell you why science makes the
story feel better and hook you in is because you
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need relatability, accessibility, and entertainment is a way where if
you're including real science, you can be teaching people about
real things. So I think that in stories, not only
do we, for example Star Trek of course create things
that promote the idea of new ideas. You know the
(11:48):
cell phone. We all know that that was something that
was envisioned first of all by on on the Fantastic
Star Trek Show, and I think that that interplay between
inspiring science and incline luting science is very important. I
think we had a very funny episode recently about what
makes a sci fi movie, and a lot of it
(12:08):
was does it explain the science in a way that
feels relatable or feels real. There was much hilarious discussion
about what a sci fi movie is. I will not
get into it. You can listen to the podcast. It
was pretty crazy, but I do think that in a
world for example, Star Wars right not a factual thing,
but something that they did to keep that accessibility, to
(12:30):
make it feel like you could understand it was they
kept retro futuristic computers. If you look at any Star
Trek thing, there are no modern computers. The technology has
not aged. It is essentially like nineties Windows is what
it looks like. But we as a human beings who
understand what a computer is, who understand how you know,
an airplane works because of facts and different factual storytelling,
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that can then help us have the cultural context understanding
of something like a spaceship, of something that is completely fictional.
I will also say magical realism often also includes real science,
So really It doesn't matter what genre you're in. If
you're watching a horror film, wouldn't it be very interesting
(13:14):
if it? And why do you think nowadays most horrors
are about grief or trauma is because that is a
real thing people can relate to. But horror has been
putting real scientific ideas into its incredible genre kind of
pool for years. Same with action adventure. Every single time
there is something in a story that is scientific, if
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you feel like you can google it and say or
ask ask a friend. Also, if you're googling it, put
the up minus AI. Don't be doing that. It's bad
for all of us. Please help. But the idea that
you could watch something Jurassic Park, you guys have a
fantastic episode about that. Every single time that somebody talks
about cloning bringing an animal back to life. You know,
(13:58):
recently they were talking about they've resurrected dire wolves, but
really they're just adapted science. We only have the understanding
of what these things are and how they are created
and how science works through storytelling that includes real science
that we can connect to. Jurassic Park. Could Dennis Nedriy
have shut that down with this little funny hacking thing.
(14:20):
Probably not, John Hammon should have spent more money on cybersecurity.
But hacking is real, and suddenly you start, he did
spare an expense. Let's just say that. But like, we
understand what a computer is, so that immediately allows us
to say, yeah, we know, we know what Dennis Nedwick's doing.
He's hacking the computer. We understand that, and that grounds
a story like Jurassic Park, when the DNA is being
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mixed with frogs and they're bringing to life, you know, dinosaurs.
The little grounding of computer technology, things you can check
in on hacking. Those things make it feel real. I
don't even think it has to be on a high
concept level. I just think as long as we have
some real technology that people can say I've seen one
of those, makes it more accessible, makes people lean in,
and hopefully inspires people to check out the real science
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that is kind of included and evolving from these worlds. Wow,
I mean sad. Please for a minute, les draw a hand,
crap up there.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Hold on, quick, quick, quick pull of the room.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Star Wars star sci fi?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Do you think Star Wars is a sci fi movie?
Put your panel up now, it doesn't matter what side.
Put your hands at all.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Wait a minute, versus women, Star Wars is not sci fi?
Put your panels up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Star Wars is not sci fi? SI five. Hey, okay,
I love this. This was a big argument we had. Wait,
can we actually do a survey up here at place
star Star Wars? Yeah, it's fine. I switched side. Okay,
so yeah, if you switch side xtra vision versus does
it fly in a friendly sense? Let's do a pull
(15:59):
up here.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Sci fi?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yes, Star Wars is sci fi? No, not sci fi?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I know you can think on your feet these seconds
on why Star t was isn't sci fi because you
have this augen.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Not sci fi because science fiction should absolutely be driven
by a man's interaction with technology, and not just like
here's a bunch of things we've never seen before.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
They got magical wizard powers. We're dealing with a lot
of like creatures.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It leans way more into fantasy tropes than it does
science fiction tropes, and therefore for me, it resides in
fantasy and not science fiction.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Incredible work, just off the dome. She was ready. Okay,
I gotta ask you guys another one, because this is
now bringing back the beef of the Yeah, good job.
I don't know what you name. Great job, beautiful. I
love it. So do you guys? What are do you
think Godzilla is a science fiction movie? Hands up? Yes?
(17:06):
Or hands okay? Hands up? If you don't think it's
science fiction? Okay, pretty evenly matched. We came up with
an idea. This was our ultimate decision. If it grows bigger,
it is a monster movie. And if it gets smaller
and you can put like a person inside a body,
it's sci fi. How does that sound good?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Rule?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And okay, our role stitch, we're being an official. Wait,
hold that I have one more.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, go on one more, which is does something have
to be sci fi or fantasy?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Can you have a mixing of dona? How you have
sci fi fantasy? Your hands fantasy? Even sci fi fantasy?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh my god?
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Can anybody just shout out the name of a sci
fi fantasy?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He's already non okay, it's so disappointed.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
And then sober trade so fast. Okay, all right, we're
with the game. We're gonna below with the game. So
I'm gonna ask the palel question from each team. So
we're divided by podcast now and not the sund to
the sex.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Now. I was.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, my team, is this because of our episode about
dinosaurs changing gender?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Is this where you just think that you can change
no matter what?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I didn't I was changing?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But okay, okay, we'll go back to the ansa question.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If the science is really super cool but the story
is boring, is the cool science enough.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
To make the movie watchableud? No, I would. I would
say it's a a no one the rewatchability factor. But
if somebody came to me, for example, a movie like
Primer right where someone's like, this feels like a really
new way of exploring, uh, time travel or whatever you
want to do, Like time Crime is one of my
(19:02):
favorite movies. I will check something out because it has
the promise of cool technology and I will watch it.
But I might I probably wouldn't rewatch it if it
didn't have a good story. I think you've got to
meld both, which is obviously well you know, Rodenberry has
done so well these kind of ensemble costs. So yeah,
I'm I'm a maybe, I'm like, depends on the technology,
all right, science fiction says maybe science fact.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
The story has to be compelling period. I mean, if
you're doing it, if it's entertainment.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now, Jason, it's changing such.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The two do work together because listen, you know, if
if you're writing a story, if you're doing a podcast,
if you're writing a movie, writing television show, you're asking
for people to spend time with you, and why would
they do it if it's not entertaining? That's all the
documentary Yeah, oh yeah, that's like, oh, Wikipedia, you can.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Read it in it.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I will also say, speaking up for documentary films because
I've worked on a bunch of them. Documentaries also need
to have really good story dat It's because it'squote unquote
nonfiction doesn't mean that storytelling isn't involved.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Great grateful, We're going to take a quick break and
we'll be right back and we're back hearing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
In case you didn't hear what she said, it's the
baby turtle going through the sand.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You're like, there's no protagonist? Yeah, yes, who loves the
baby turtle goes through the sand. Give it a big cheer.
I saw one of it.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
I saw someone's hands come right up. All right, guys,
So now it's your turn. If I turn to ask
questions so we can get to the bottom of.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
This big debate, go that in a line behind the mic. Yes,
you can line up at the mic if you have
a question for us about any of these ever shifting toleics,
please thank you for the forest person. Feel free to
cue up. You can just stand behind him and we'll
do it as people go.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
So, Rosie, you mentioned that science doack can be very
inspiring to people, how it like inspires people to look
into the real science. But in my perspective, when to
make a good story out of science tack, you often
need to dumb down the science or like mess with
it enough that it feels like it becomes science fiction again.
(21:19):
And I don't know if you feel the same way as.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That, but I think I can, yeah, go for it. Please.
Well here's my thought on that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So, you don't want a movie to be so complicated
that you then have to go consult a manual like
you brought up Primer, which has been described as one
of the most scientifically accurate time travel movies. That said,
it's so it so dense, and even people who love
it have been like, I need to kind of like
take this apart. So my actual thought on that is,
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I like to think of entertainment as a gateway to
further scientific understanding. You know, you watch Interstellar, maybe you
fell asleep in physics class, but you're watching that movie
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm just going to like google that minus AI and
suddenly you go down the rabbit hole and that's where
you get to learn more. So I think it's okay
that it's quote unquote dumb down a little bit, or
maybe there's an extra step of what if taken. If
it then leads you into learning something else on your own,
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I would also say I think one of the best
things about and we talk about this a lot on
the podcast, like there's so much incredible genre content out
there now that you will be able to find the
hard sci fi book you want. I would recommend there's
not sponsored. I just read a lot tour books, Night
Fire and tour books. They put out some sci fi
that just three hundred word novella, just I mean three
hundred page novella just throws you into the craziness of
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the story and you're already in a fully built world.
They don't explain the technology to you. I think Martha
Well's murder Bot is pretty good for that. Telly so
I agree. It happens a lot on like big movies,
but I think in fiction and comic books and indie films,
you can still find stuff where people are pushing those boundaries.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Anything by Andy ware or Kim Stanley Robinson. Yeah, I
mean stuff is like very very quote unquote heart sci fi.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
Yeah, can you say those books again of Andy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Weir, who who's upcoming film, who did The Martian And
he has an upcoming film called Helm, a movie based
on his film Hail Mary that's coming out.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Currently in previews.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And Kim Stanley Robinson has a whole Mars series which
is three books about the settling of Mars and it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And the other one I was saying is murder Bought
by Martha Wells. It is definitely more on the comedic side,
but you intrinsically have to understand why somebody would create
a murder bot, what a murder bot would be like.
They don't. They throw you in to the perspective of
murder bort and you get this really fun exploration of
the world where they don't feel a need to really
explain anything. And there's a great show on Apple TV
(23:47):
where they do feel a need to explain everything. But
after the second episode on Fire, that's a nearly fucking
on fire.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Thank you so much for a question. Appreciate you coming.
What the stround on the pauses? We've got lots hello
in a while, though, what is your question? Hello there?
Speaker 11 (24:01):
First, I want to say, Rosie and Jason, I'm so
glad you guys found a home on iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It was the longest time waiting for you guys to
come back. I'm really happy to see you here.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
So I want to spark another division along the Star
Wars sci fi fantasy good the bait, and I want
to ask you guys about Dune, whether or not you
think that's a sci fi or fantasy, especially when you
unspool some of.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The later later novel okay, and some of the weirdness.
I'm going to I'm going to just start with a
really simple thing that is absolutely going to derail this.
But I seeing not a conversation where we were dealing
what is science and what isn't science fiction. The opening
idea was like, it has to have some kind of
science that is intrinsic to the story and is explained
(24:47):
early on Jurassic Park that's why it's still surely in
that sci fi Kagri. That's how we worked out. I
think that complicates June. Let's just say with a Butlerry
and g had everything. Jason.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think Dune is a sci fi fantasy into Star Wars.
There's almost no technology in it. Yeah, it's still been
killed off, except you know there's still suits.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I get, yes, the still suits, but we did an
episode on the still suits.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Actually, biology is a science. I want to remind you guys.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
What do you think about June?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I'm working, I love doing and I sci fi science.
But you know the spice, Yeah, I got some dime
bags later.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
But Peah, that's great because that's a great segue for
the fact that we have an after hours episode that
we are recording live, all of us together Saturday night
at Mission Brewery.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
So just so you know, just just a doctor, what
would the spice the still suit water taste?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Oh oh, well, like here's what you should do, right,
because you don't really want to drink pure water, right,
I want to add minerals to it, exactly right, just
for the forss for it to not be as corrosive
and as it would otherwise be Uh, so you're gonna
flavor it.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
You know, it's gonna be gtaway.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That's why they get blue eyes. It's not spices, just
the icy blue gay earth. Okay, I agree. So do
we think it's a sci fi fantasy?
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I think fi.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Fantasy because the biology. There's a great biology.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, what do you think that says?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, I I absolutely think it was.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Uh, it was grounded in sci fi because Frank Herbert
was absolutely you know, he did his research. But yeah,
some of those later you know, the tangents that goes
on then.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
But I think that also brings up an interesting point
because you know, biology is geology and geology is biology,
and you see that a lot in Doom.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That was a great question.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, welcome back O the Bay Back. First fast question
was also great. Everybody's all great? Ever any done great.
We're actually judging your questions, so I guess what I'm
giving you all ten out of ten. Don't ruin it,
don't say something wait hack come back.
Speaker 13 (27:03):
So earlier you said if we have something shrink at
sci fi and if we have something grow, it's a monster.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's our current theory.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
So in that context, does that.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Make Marvel's Civil War with ant Man both a monster
movie and a sci fi movie?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh? Fuck, you love this And the answer is, yes,
you just coined a new thing. Marvel Monsters is coming back.
I love that question so much. I mean too, I
think it's interesting too, because it brings up the nature
of like what we understand as technology. We kind of
forget that. The answer is, like, somebody created that and
depending on your version, Gigi hank him, but they created
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that and then it manages to completely manipulate the size
of human biology or body everything. So he's definitely very
science heavy. And I do believe that because he's big.
I mean, in all world that would be a there'll
be a sci fi Kaidu movie. Baby, let's is it?
Is it still sci fi?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
If he doesn't shrink and go into somebody else's like body, Well,
to me, that is what makes it. That's what makes
me shrinking sci fi.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We am in it is, Honey, I shrunk the kids
sci fi? Yes, I believe he makes a sciey.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He makes he makes a scientific invention that shrinks his children.
I think that sci fi is just sci fi at
I blew up the kids, all right, I paddles up
is honey? I blew up the kids? Is that sci
fi and not sci fi? Sci fi?
Speaker 14 (28:25):
Sci fi?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Honey, I'm not sci fi. Hiding is a Kaiju movie?
Probably those months we had mixtures.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Will you add comedy? Right like Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
What is that? That's very true because Loud is sci
fi comedy, supernatural comedy, sci fi. I mean, thank you
so much for that. That was a great author has
always ten out of ten here in this yea thank
you ten out of ten continues winning streak.
Speaker 15 (28:49):
So I grew up in a time where a lot
of the non science based science fiction didn't appeal to
me at all. They the the inconsistencies that were created
from their created world, where it's just painful to read.
But then I also remember a quote from Arthur she
(29:17):
Clerk about an advance of society, their science would look
like magic.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So and lo, that's us the at some point in
the arc of science, it gets so advanced that it
might as well be magic.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, it's it's basically the idea that that science that
we have, that science, that magic is just science that
we don't understand yet. And you've heard that idea pop
put out that door movies and things like that.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
So but that extends, right, that extends in the spirituality
and everything else. Anything that actually occurs is occurring by
some mechanism, right, so you can find out what that is.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I was thinking of a question something along this lines.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You know, there's never don't fact check me.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
In a very detailed way about this, but there's never
really been a point in human industry where we haven't
been like, oh, we got it. Flights of birds predict
the future, that's what it is. Yeah, Oh, if you
open the egg in a certain way, that's going to
tell you what the weather's going to be. Like, there's
never been a point where were where we didn't think
that we had it nailed down science wise. So what's
really interesting and kind of magical to me about kind
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of what we're talking about is, you know, we have
a lot of scientific capability right now. We have huge
telescopes in space, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The
stuff that we don't know must be truly insane.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, and kind of related to that, I would also
put out there the idea that science is always changing, right,
that's the scientific thick methods. So if you're gonna limit
things to just what is actually factually true in a
given moment, then that actually squelches innovation. It's squelch's creative thought,
which is nest and narrator Amiata seemed dated as well.
(31:14):
If you say this is the only way it's ever
gonna be, this is all hypothesis. Jurassic Park is interesting
in that way because we had the I'm a big
Drassic Park fan and the first movie you get this incredible,
crazy sci fi kind of set up.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
But then I completely forgot my point and I need
made pre cloning, so start cloning.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Boss are also coming with like a movie like Gattica,
which when it first came out, we were like, oh,
that's that's far far in the future of ashals crazy talk,
And now like Work, we have Crisper.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, we're we're yeah reality and the thing with
that I was gonna, oh my god, no, and I
lost the thing. I love Jurassic Park, but apparently I
don't have any clear thoughts.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
What I was going to say is Jurassic Park when
it came out, everybody thought that the science based on
what we knew based was that t Rexes couldn't see
you if you didn't move, And that's a massive plot
point in the first Jurassic Park movie. It's how they escape.
Don't move, don't shine lights. By the second movie, and
then specially by the third movie, they basically had to
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change how they interacted with t rex is because the
even just between the time of making those movies, the
science of how those animals live changed. So I think
that constantly being in conversation with real science and having
those updates makes stuff feel a lot more fresh. It's
like you say, if you just say this is how
it's going to be forever, you look back on it
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and you're like, well, that character doesn't know very much
at all. It did you really agree? Question? Say it?
You comment? It was good? It inspired a good conversation.
Next question? Thank you? Oh my god, I love how
many people areking up this amazing Hello, our friend loves
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Speaker 14 (33:01):
Hi.
Speaker 16 (33:02):
So you talked a lot about how science back can
make science fiction better.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
But I was.
Speaker 16 (33:08):
Wondering, in a lot of fiction, there's this internal logic
that does not apply to the real world, but you
can sort of learn it like science. I'm a big
Transformers person, and there is this sort of obviously we
probably couldn't make gi and alien robots work, but in
the some universes, the logic makes sense and you can
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like follow it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So does that.
Speaker 16 (33:35):
Like, Oh no, I forgot, I.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Know I'm putting every it's catching science. Yeah, so I
can get into that science.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I have very strong feelings about this, okay, where
like and story intersect. So what I believe the bedrock
of really good sci fi, any movie, really, but especially
really good sci fi, is that they give you a
set of rules for the world, however close or far
from our real world those might be, and then there
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is a trust developed between the filmmaker and the audience
that says, I've set up these rules for you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Now I'm going to tell you a story that plays
in that world. As long as they keep to those rules.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
We can believe anything they put in front of us,
because they said, this is it's not magic.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What if it's that?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Imagine come on a journey with me. But if they
give you the rules and then they break them, then
it become a bad filmmaker. Bad filmmaker and that's when
I think it doesn't work. So like for Transformers if
in their world they are consistent. And we actually did
an episode on Transformers where we looked at a lot
of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Oh who any of you are? So I have phantomly,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
I want you to go to Doesn't Fly right after
this follow the podcast and then listen.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You can listens at flatpod dot com and you can
listen to that about Transformers. I would say, I'm a
big fan of the new Transformers one movie and it's
wonderful and I actually thought they did a brilliant version
of what you're talking about. They explained in the world
how they were kind of these different classes of Transformers
based on what technology they did and didn't have, and
it ended up making the science of it or how
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they work, the matrix of power, the thing, matrix of leadership,
the things they give to each other. You are totally
in belief of that story when you watch it Doctor
Sci Fi, Yes or no.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Transformers ooh yeah, and that has to be a yes
for me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, I mean the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I mean it's dude.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
But at the same time, you know, just hearing this conversation,
It's just making me realize the extent to which we
everyday humans don't realize the magic of our everyday lives.
You know, we are you know procounsul, this eight that
descended from the tree evolved in the Australopithecus, and then
Homo habilis. That's who we are, right, you know. Once
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agriculture happened, it changed everything, right. It brought about civilization,
brought about lighter skin, brought about this whole world that
we live in, and we have taken it to where
our every day we're sitting in clothing and chairs under
air conditionings, get out with microphones. I'll mean, this is
nuts to me, right, but yeah, so our life is
(36:23):
science fiction.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I love that the life is science fiction and science fact.
Thank you for your lovely question. Oh yeah, your passion,
your passion for Transformers. You are representing the Transformers fandom.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Well, we're gonna cut off the line here, guys, because
we're running a long time, so you guys, everybody's the line.
Hopefully we'll have tried to answer their questions. You can
say standing, okay, guys, sir, I.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Know who you guys are. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So sci fi?
Speaker 17 (36:49):
This is like a preferential question. Do you prefer like
when you're in a world of sci fi like Star
Trek and it's like the whole world is science fiction?
Or like an Alex Garland kind of like we're in
our world, but like one thing has changed like that
are absollent question?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's a that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Do you guys have heard so?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Do you do you prefer a sci fi that is
like a massive leap forward a las Star Trek or
do you like a more grounded Alex Garland esque sci
fi where it's like black Mirror. You know it's one,
it's all old, but but something else has changed?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
What a false choice?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You can enjoy us.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I like them both, right, I like the one I
haven't seen yet. Give me something, give me more, give
me more. Ye, but they both have their their place,
right and and.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
The latter when it's creepy, I really like it, right
and it comes across creepy like ex machina.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, exactly, it's a great exemple.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
That's a great example.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I I have nothing to add. I totally agree with that. Yeah,
I love both.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
What I love is a story well told, and I
love the way it whether it's speculative fiction or whether
it's sort of way in the future sci fi. Ultimately,
at the end of the day, a lot of the time,
it's really about where we are now that story.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, that's we've talked about that. When it comes to
the idea of, you know, a superhero fatigue. There's many
of you here at comic com We are not tired
of it. But I think it's all about tell a
good story. That's what we are we're saying, and I
like the way you separate those. That's going to be
a good debate for a future show. Because we had
a big, big drama over whether or not Children of
(38:31):
Men is a sci fi. We did enough us all,
and that one, I think is very complicated because it
works in your space, but there are aspects of the other.
But also there's not a lot of futuristic technology, so
that's one that I'm always interested to talk about.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'll also just add to your question, you can also
go back, So there's retro futuristic sci fi, what about
stuff that takes place.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
In a period that is prena is steampunk sci fi?
That's what I was getting because it's it was base
steampunk comes from the original computer, which even though it
was too far ahead to be a real computer, I
think that makes it sci fi.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
What about Furiosa's world, Oh, dystopia is dystopia, But is
it sci fi?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know, because they just have caused the kind
of normal cause that they've redune, but it isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And in the later movies that ostensibly there was some
stuff that happened with technology and climate and all of that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So the ares and scientific underpinnings of it kind of
sort of mad Max Fury Roads Slash Furiosa. Is it
sci fi? Put up your hands? Is it not sci fi?
Put up your hands? Okay, okay, not sci fi? Takes
it fi definitely one, thank you, thank you question.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
So we'll be right back after a quick break.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
And get somebody up. Just got it, you got it? Okay,
go ahead.
Speaker 18 (40:05):
I just wanted to ask about Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Is that sci fi? Or fixing her boat? Babe? We
are always running to work this out. I will argue
the nineteen fifty four original Godzilla movie I think counts
as a sci fi because it was essentially the law
was like he was a dinosaur ship creature who got
hit by an atom bomb. It was very tomack age story.
And then he grew, So I think you could say
(40:30):
that the first one is But then you know, are
you gonna watch Godzilla x Kong New Empire and see
Dan Stevens removing Kong's tooth? Does that technology make it
sci fi? Or is it more of an action adventure?
Manesota is a scientist, He's a vet. He's a vet.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
No, Godzilla is.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Okay, the science of radiation, right, science of mutation, all
of that is there.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Man Godzilla, I love the King Kong a sci fi?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Interesting? Interesting ar no? Okay? Wait may I may I
ask you all? Sweet? Yeah, what do you think? Do
you have a feeling about it? Which way is sorder?
Speaker 18 (41:12):
I think it's like science and fixing because I think
it's like sci fi because like Godzilla, he could shoot fire.
That means that he did all those buildings. He may
like take a nibble of them. He may then like
burn that fuel to use it.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Oh okay, I'm feeling like you may be gonna be
a Godzilla storyteller in your future. I also have at
the end of the uh thing, I have a Godzilla
prize for you for asking that question, so you can
come and get it at the end of the when
we finish the questions, I'll be here. Okay, thank you, Yeah,
get him a movie deal. We love that E get
(41:55):
to see you.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (41:57):
Uh So at the very beginning we talked about like
trying to reinforce the fantasy with a basis in science.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Do you think creators can take it too far or
maybe like bungle.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Their fantasy with science or pseudoscience like midichlorians come to mind?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Right? Did that help the stars? Hey?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Go back? Oh the Chilians, you're back now. I had
a clorius about it. Coin all right.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So what that makes me think of is when I
have some of these questions, I do a very unscientific
research project, which is asking my fifteen year old yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
About this and we I don't know if our Freaky
Friday episode has come out yet and if I'm allowed
to know.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I didn't say that, Okay, so next week we have
an episode about Freaky Friday coming out, and so of
course I had to ask my child about that and
produce perfect audience. And I said, what you know, we
watched the original with Lindsay Loan and not the original
the first or the first Yeah, with Lindsay Lohan and
Jamie Lee Curtis, And I said, would you They don't
(42:57):
really get into like how this happens. It's sort of
like magic in a slightly stereotype Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And I said, would you have wanted to know more
about that? And she said no. She said that through
the madness.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Lory, She's like, I want the magic. She was like,
I don't need to know that. Then it turns into
like it bugs it down. I'm interested in what happens
between the characters and the way they do it. I
believe it because I want to believe it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I think it's also to do with what you're
looking for. We had a great episode where we talked
to the author of this book called hild which is
technically a historical fiction book about a real life a
woman who ended up becoming like canonized, but the book
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reads like fantasy because she's such an incredible author, and
the way that she makes it feel feels like you're
in a world that doesn't exist, even though she's writing
about something that's factual. So I also can find I
like when authors try and push more out of the
kind of normal like literary fiction, and suddenly someone's doing
(44:03):
like a literary hard sci fi. But it's also like
a romance. I prefer when people take big swings. So
for me, I think there can be a lot of
gems when people are trying to merge those.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Let me give you a gepa. Yes here.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
So there's a famous twentieth century astronomer that all most
no one knows named Fred Hoyle exclusive scooped and he
wrote this book that I found in a good will
like somebody had passed away and their kids brought in
their library and not the book, but it's called The
Black Cloud, and he talks about this nebula that comes
into the solar system to feed on our son, not
(44:39):
realize it's going to harm the humans, right, but he
goes it's like a lot much detail, like when he
walks into the observatory and he gets ready to observe.
It's all the stuff you go through, and it's really
he writes it so well, so it's not like a
self indulgent thing like include like in an interestellar, the
inclusion of the real black hole that was self indulgence, right,
(45:00):
that's not what Coyle does, So there is a model
man where it could be done so well and you
don't even know if you're not a scientist, you don't
even know what's happening, but you get this vivid imagery
that just brings you into that story, you know, And yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Agree, I think I think Minichlorian's was a good idea,
poorly execute.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
It definitely added a law of I think unexpected god
rails for the Star Wars franchise, which can sometimes happen
when you overexplain stuff. But you're right, like having a
way to walk out someone's a Jedi is not a
terrible eye. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, and also I think too when you have these
longtime franchises that you see questions amongst the fans that
can ask over and.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Over and over, like how does the forest actually work?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Or how is it really that nobody recognizes Clark Kent,
Oh my god, And then you finally have a movie
that comes out like Now that tries to address that. Like,
I think there's also a dialogue that happens fandoms that
sometimes filmmakers will try and play with and sometimes it's
great and sometimes it's not.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
But I love that there is that interplay. It's hard.
What makes things fun? Okay, guys, I want to thank
you very much much, but I I just uh, Superman
hypno goggles? Do you like them? Do you like the
fact that the reason the glasses work is when he
puts them on, other people see him differently. That is
the current sends for yes, hands yes, hands for no,
(46:28):
hands for no.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
Okay, you know I would tell you what they should
have made Superman a semiconductor engineer, because when you put
on that buddy suit to go into the clean room
and only this part of your face is exposed.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No, I'm recognizing you.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Don't recognize people anymore because we never see each other
that way.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
And you look so different.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, it's the unexpected nature of your face is fully exposed,
but yet I don't recognize.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I would love to see that. Okay, this is going
to be our last question. Guys, I'm suicide around of times.
To go ahead. Oh no, So I wanted to ask.
We've talked a lot about the fiction aspect of it,
but in the reality aspect of science fiction and how
it affects reality, which.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Out of any fiction ever written ever made, what do
you think our future looks like most what how do
you think we're going.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Okay, I'm gonna give you there's an optimistic answer in
my mind, and there is a scary answer. And I
think currently, and this is not an original thought, a
lot of really clever people have noticed this. Currently, we
look like to be on a kind of Octavia Butler
spiraling through Hell into this kind of fascist science like
(47:43):
but if I could pick someone that, I would hope
it looked like really anything by Ursula Lea Gwen because
she is someone who imagined a world outside of capitalism
and a world where fantasy doesn't immediately mean death or
sexual assault or anything else. So we love Octavia. We
love Octavia I thought less She's a fantastic, insightful writer
er and that's why she was able to understand what
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was happening in America.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
But I'm hoping for us, Lila Gwinn, how about you?
I totally agree with both of those so's. And that's
a great literary answer. I'll take it over into the
film Realm TV Realm, I would say, Yeah, Sadly, I
think right now we are hurtling towards some of the
gaticas and erminators in places like that. My hope though,
(48:27):
and I don't just say this because it's the company
that products our podcast, no, But honestly, my hope is
that we end up in Star Trek, a world where, yeah,
there are a lot of problems have been solved. There's
still no need for money, you know, but we figured
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
This stuff out and we get to do other cool
new things. So that's my hope, and I do, in
my heart still believe that that's possible. I love that. Jason, Well,
I think.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
That well, you know, I will agree with you too,
that we are in a difficult period. But I think
that what's really hopeful about it is things like this.
I've seen so many people, you know, in my friend
group and my family, just people that I know who
have are facing these moments with a decision to like
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turn to community and find other people who they can support,
and find other structures that they can make found family,
et cetera. And I think that's really hopeful. I think
that's going to be a lot of the future is
people like the people in this room, depending on each
other to get through a lot of difficult period A.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lot of people will cite Joseph Campbell as an inspiration
for storytelling and the hero's journey. But what they don't
realize is that he actually his next step after that
was communal reliance and just fortunately didn't live long enough
to write a book about that piece.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
But that's actually part of his legacy.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Perhaps a brave new world.
Speaker 7 (49:57):
Yeah, and there's gonna be a lot more of robots
and AI and connection via wireless connection. That's definitely going
to be a thing. How food is going to lifespans
are definitely going to be extended. I mean they already
have been. Transportation is going to be revolutionized as well,
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going to continue. That revolution is going to continue. And
you know, I think that there's a bit of unpredictability
because what's happening right now, the way our economy is
set up, there's going to be massive changes in that,
right the robotics and the AI and all all of this,
you know, white collar and blue collar the way they
(50:42):
have been isn't going to be that way in the
near or.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, wow, guys, we've done it.
Speaker 9 (50:49):
Hopfully hopefully you are like the machine on free answer
in your head and we're going to vote right now.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
So if you think science fact is what is necessary
to make a great science fiction project.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Raise your paddle if you think fiction can help bolster
the science fiction genre, raise your paddle now a winner.
I was just gonna say before we leave, this is
such a packed room. We love that you guys showed up.
We should do a selfie of us in front of
the road.
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Okay, but first, but first, I just want to shout
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So everything's right there now you guys, I've been asked
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Speaker 1 (51:31):
Are our discussions about? But there are many children in here,
so all the challenge. Is there a PG way you
can tell me about your ass there is? This is
all panel. It's going to be really fun. Off the
dark hints that you know, we'll be able to get
a little bit out there, and it's gonna be about
the topic of read this as you will, remaxing Superman.
Could it really happen? Could you do it?
Speaker 12 (51:53):
Could you do it exactly? That's the kind of question
we're going to be losting. It's a whole other way
of looking at super power. Yes, and also as well, guys,
you can bring your friends who do not have SDCC badges.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
They it is not on the show for you can
scan that RSVP. It's gonna be super fun. And also
if you are a woman who loves the entertainment industry,
there's also gonna be like a mixer for that. So
I think it's just gonna be really fun. Come down,
bring your friends, and yes, romancing Superman will be the topic,
so it's gonna be really funny. Hello, den of geek fans,
(52:44):
I am Rosie Night here at Comic Con with an
unbelievable guest. Something very excited for me. As many of
you know, I love Godzilla. I have a shin Godzilla
director Shinji Hgushi here. How does it feel to be
here at San Diego?
Speaker 13 (53:00):
This Tokyo, Tokyo is extremely hot right now, so I'm
digging the weather.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's funny. We have people from the East Coast who
are digging the la weather.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
For he you know.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
So, first of all, I would love to know, like,
what was your first interaction with Godzilla? What is your
first memory of Godzilla?
Speaker 6 (53:29):
You can't talk?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Did is.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Stardayo Cheka?
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I was really really young.
Speaker 13 (53:45):
I want to say maybe even kindergarten, because I don't
quite remember it that clearly.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, do you remember when you were a kid what
your impression of Godzilla was in this kind of cultural
surrounding of him just being everywhere.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
You sho this.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
Because most so most of Uni No car.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
So struck it at the.
Speaker 13 (54:26):
Met The first Godzilla movie I remember watching was Gods
Godzilla versus Mathra, and I remember Godzilla getting all stringed,
and Godzilla was a bad guy back in the day,
so I remember that scene where he gets all wrapped
up in Mathra's string and then sent to the bottom
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of the ocean and loses.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, that's a very impactful moment.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
So it's a very scary memory for me.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, I feel like we're here to talk about, you know,
shin Godzilla, which my nephew loves but is also scary.
How does it feel, you know, nine years later, to
look back at Shane Godzilla and look at the movie
that you made in and release in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 14 (55:22):
Union that day pretty my highs that my daughters be
yea throughly era heroko w.
Speaker 13 (55:37):
Well, I'm very shocked and very happy that I had
this opportunity and that too would kind of look back
and then bring this movie once again to the big screens.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, how did it feel to see it in four
K remastered the version that the audiences will now get
to see.
Speaker 13 (55:52):
It was a young meet up council cor contemporary.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
Mmm, scukul it isn't it iPhone?
Speaker 4 (56:19):
So they.
Speaker 13 (56:23):
So it was never a really I want to choose
my words carefully here, but a beautifully shot movie in
the first place. There are some scenes that were shot
on iPhones and some scenes that I mean no shape.
But we use equipment that, like he would say, like
regular cameras, not like movie cameras to shoot. So to
see all of those scenes remastered, like I didn't expect
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the quality to go up better.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
There's a good selling point. Even you were surprised by
how beautiful it was.
Speaker 5 (56:53):
Rocket guy saw.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Something that I think is so interesting about Shin Godzilla
and how we got here is the movie comes out,
it is critically came, people love it, but you know,
over the years it has gained a cult status. What
does it mean to make something where your audience for
it is constantly growing?
Speaker 5 (57:14):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (57:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
Happens?
Speaker 8 (57:25):
Sid he saw you just doesn't he.
Speaker 5 (57:29):
Don't know that.
Speaker 13 (57:32):
So I think I was one of those members of
the audience myself.
Speaker 6 (57:42):
So you.
Speaker 4 (57:44):
So you.
Speaker 13 (57:49):
I love that kind of movie, and I think I
was better than most of my peers at finding and
discovering those types of movies.
Speaker 6 (57:58):
Also turn the diego Google disagrest.
Speaker 13 (58:09):
So I have a feeling that I was probably like
one of your readers or audience members of Ten of
Geek myself when I was young, trying to find those
cult movies, and I was good at discovering them sharing them,
and that's what I wanted to see myself.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, I think that's a great point. I make comic books,
gotilla comic books actually, and often you you don't. You
you got to tell the story that you want to
see the sty you go. That's a good way to start,
you know. I think for you you had those early
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entry points. Have you thought about the fact that for
a generation of kids, especially on YouTube, you know, shin
Godzilla is their first Godzilla.
Speaker 8 (58:57):
Like YouTube up, so next.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
Most of that.
Speaker 13 (59:15):
After Godzilla against Martha, I watched Godzilla fight Herdora, you
know that guy did so I think even as a kindergartener,
I was already experiencing brain rot.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Well, now the brain rot for the kids is Godzilla
definitely still They watch these videos on YouTube, every evolution
of Godzilla, so then knowledge of Godzilla is very deep,
even if they haven't watched all the movie us. But
when I do speak to kids like my nephews or
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kids who come to the signings, they love shin Godzilla.
Did you have an idea that it might be something
where kids are also going to be enjoying it even
though it is more scary grounded?
Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
Say, Oh, I'm like a kid myself thinking for the audience,
what even the target?
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Okay, So for you, then, what does it feel like
as the kid inside you, the young kid to play
in the sandbox of Godzilla and get to tell the stories.
Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
It alm.
Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Tell us?
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Do it?
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Digestion?
Speaker 13 (01:01:01):
I think there's a different Godzilla inside of every one
of us, right, different interpretation, different view So my job
for this particular Godzilla when I was given the sandbox
is to find people who had a similar idea of
what Godzilla is.
Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, and I think I I was lucky enough to
see shin Godzilla in black and white when that happened recently,
I would say, like something that strikes me so much
is Godzilla always has great human characters, but there is
such a focus on the human characters and how kind
of the world would interact if there was a Godzilla disaster.
Could you talk a little bit more about bringing that
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satirical or commentary.
Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Edge to it?
Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
So kam mas not sage you can did in this
and I don't say more, what did I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Know?
Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
It's I think it's there is definitely a little bit
of commentary, but it's not one hundred percent satirical. And
(01:02:35):
I think for me, there is a hope somewhere that
there are people in our government who would make the
decisions that some of the characters in the movie do.
And perhaps that's the bigger fantasy than this idea of Godzilla,
that people in our garment will operate that way. But
I think that that was the hope that I injected
(01:02:55):
into the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I think we often talk about with storytelling, will be
cool radical imagination where you imagine outside of what we
already have, And I feel like in that way that
becomes a part of it. A functioning government that looks
after you.
Speaker 13 (01:03:10):
Is an ambitus to me kind of hunts you. So
it's like Tom Clancy novels for American How do it
is this?
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Perhaps, yeah, totally. It gives an insight. You know that
people think that they understand for you and that you
know you say, you're still a big kid. Me too, obviously,
all of us here. That's why we're a den of geek.
Are there any monsters that you would be so excited
to explore alongside Godzilla in the future? The Godzilla you.
Speaker 13 (01:03:48):
Can't do all that say about.
Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Man you can.
Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
M Kajin.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Personally, I want to preface that my personal yes, as
a manifestation wish for the future.
Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
The then let you go prop you take your so
it's good cod then you go this.
Speaker 13 (01:04:33):
Covid Godilla is different in every film. If you follow
the Godzilla films you'll probably know that. So the nineteen
fifty four Godzilla to the sequel, so when it fights
come is from the face to the by proportions, it's
all different. Facet is different when Godzilla fights Mathra as well.
Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Yeah, my mother.
Speaker 13 (01:05:08):
So of course when you meet a Godzilla fan out
the while, and there's a lot of Godzilla fans who
date us too, because the Godzilla has been around for
so long. So the first question you're going to ask
is well, which Godzilla designed.
Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
They like.
Speaker 13 (01:05:30):
Because you can kind of have this larger religious umbrella
I mean in Christiana, but there's all the subdivisions, right.
But I think something similar is happening with Godzilla. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I do think something that we say is there's a
Godzilla for everyone. You know, you have Minya, you have
like you have all different iterations. I like the Godzilla
who dances and skips, you know, but we still have
you know, incredible shin Godzilla minus one, there is dancing,
(01:06:05):
my favor I have a little Manila tattoo as well, Minya,
and then I have my my Godzilla two is kind
of hidden. Yeah, I feel like that's one of the
magical things because also the more blockbuster Godzillas, they can
direct kids to Japanese Godzilla and the interest spans. I mean,
(01:06:35):
do you feel like, as you the we have moved
so far away, almost a decade away from Shin Godzilla,
do you feel.
Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Like the.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Fandom has like grown? Do you feel can you feel
that people really love shin Godzilla and it's now seen
as kind of this classic. Is that trickled down to
you as the director?
Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
I need to have to crush you told you movement
all so more mm hm.
Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Dibn huge issue.
Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
And come wh are So.
Speaker 13 (01:07:47):
I think it kind of goes back to what we
were talking about earlier, the different factions of Godzilla. Because
before we came here, we stopped by Super seven and
we had a little pop up event there. When I
was walking through Super seven, people are like overly protected
when there's anything Godzilla minus one, don't show be a
good time Godzilla minus wan stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
He can't see that.
Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
But I think, going back to the point off, there's
a Godzilla in all of us, and I think that
collectively becomes something bigger.
Speaker 19 (01:08:15):
Yeah, which Godzilla is inside you everything Godzilla. I'm every Godzilla.
Speaker 13 (01:08:44):
So if you follow Godzilla for sixty years, I think
you can achieve that status of embracing every single interpretation
of Godzilla. Until you get there, there's gonna be Godzillas
that you like and Godzillas that you hate. In fact,
I hated more Godzillas than I like, which is why
I tried to put all of that into shin Godzilla
as my own interpretation.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Something I would love to talk to you about as
like a fan of the movie is Godzilla. And because
I think now more people are going to be seeing it.
Could you talk a little bit about the different evolutions
of Godzilla and sh Gozilla in the movie, because I
feel like for a lot of people I've spoken to,
that is very appealing to them and it feels very unique.
And of course you created some very meaned monsters. So
(01:09:29):
could you talk a little bit about adding the idea
of the evolution of Godzilla to shin.
Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
No ma Shinka?
Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Do you idea.
Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
Stuck?
Speaker 15 (01:09:41):
I have a.
Speaker 13 (01:09:46):
Soda more she the point of them.
Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
Not didn't.
Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Shinka m.
Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
The basic story arc of gods. I think when people
you tell anyone that there's gonna be a Godzilla film,
they're already immediately thinking, Okay, there's gonna be Godzilla, and
then Godzilla is gonna fight against something, whether it's kenky Dora,
Mega Godzilla. There's gonna be some kind of antagonist for Godzilla.
But this has almost become such a I don't want
(01:10:47):
to say formula, but that's what people have come to expect.
I wanted to break that mold.
Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Tight hand up.
Speaker 13 (01:11:10):
And there's a budgetary angle to this as well. When
you've got it's more to kaji on the screen, not
just one and these Kaiji are fighting and everything around
them is getting destroyed. Think about the animation, the VFX, everything,
and to Hoo doesn't always give me the biggest budget
to work when it comes to making Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Films, so it makes sense to have different versions.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Not the good you know, no idea.
Speaker 13 (01:11:53):
So yeah, so then the consideration becomes, Okay, we can
only use one Kaiju, but if we can at least
give the Kaiju different states, then that kind of folds
(01:12:14):
itself into the story and the narrative.
Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
But not just that.
Speaker 13 (01:12:18):
Toho's eyes begin to shine because it's like, oh, we
can do three different toys now just one.
Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was gonna
ask about the baby Shin with the big bug eyes.
Could you talk a little bit about that design, because
that is what every kid who I meet that is
their favorite version.
Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
And used to designs.
Speaker 13 (01:12:40):
Only you very accurately pointed out earlier that it's evolution,
it's not growth.
Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
So there's a difference.
Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
No, No, I don't think you.
Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Don't know.
Speaker 13 (01:13:14):
So I wanted to kind of follow almost a Darwinism
type of evolution, so we don't get to see it
in the film itself, but I imagined before we see
the first version of god is some kind of sea
creature that then becomes reptile and then becomes what we see.
Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Before we have to go now that this is going
to be back in there with the beautiful remaster, do
you have a message for Godzilla fans who are going
to go see Shindola?
Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Good?
Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Don't know?
Speaker 13 (01:13:55):
So before I give you a message, we have a
(01:14:17):
few more minutes. Can I still keep still in the
middle of my evolution?
Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
Thought?
Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Please?
Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Please?
Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Sorry?
Speaker 13 (01:14:22):
Sorry sorry that was yeah. Hell, when Godzilla goes from
fish to the just the version that you're talking about,
you see there's still gills because it's still mid transition.
It hasn't quite become a reptile. It's still between sea
creature and reptile. But there is another issue here, which
is that director on no, it doesn't like fish and
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doesn't like meat.
Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
There, so I know men On, so director, I know.
Speaker 13 (01:15:05):
He hates when you go to like a fish market,
you see all those fish lined up and the eyes
the way you look at you. So that's when he
decided let's give him those I was gonna say, it's
definitely those eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
As soon as you.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
When you.
Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
Could you.
Speaker 13 (01:15:33):
So Ao was kind of confused because he thought he
made the scariest creature imaginable. But all the kids love it.
Everyone says it's super cute, so there's this gap.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I also I think kids like spooky stuff. It's a
way to test their boundaries. So I think it's cute
but a little bit scary.
Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
Good pie tonight.
Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Thank you you so much. Sorry for the interruption, Maria. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Yeah, If you have a quick message just to say
to the fans before we go, that would be amazing.
Speaker 13 (01:16:12):
I'm not even a message go into.
Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
She's Americano. That's the.
Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
I want to say.
Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Hi.
Speaker 13 (01:16:42):
I'm really jealous and envious of the North American fans
because perhaps culturally we've been taught in Japan, when you
go to the movie theater, you quietly enjoy your popcorn
and accept whatever the director has put on the screen
for you. But American audiences get really involved, very vocal,
very expressive about what their emotions are doing at any
given moment, so that you guys will be able to
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experience that is something that I'm jealous of first of all,
but I hope you keep that energy in that wave
going for shinkat Villa.
Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Thank you so much for joining us. On Saturday's episodes
of xtra Vision, We're Diving into News. That's the episode bye.
Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Ceps Young and
Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
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Hello, I am Rosie Knight. Welcome back to X ray Vision,
the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies,
comics and pop culture. We're here at Ihart Podcast where
we'll be bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday,
Thursday and Friday, plus news on Saturdays. In today's episode,
we went to comic on Yep, we went to San
(00:37):
Diego Comic com Baby. We sat down with the Gene
Roddenberry Company and their podcast Does It Fly to bring
you another episode of You're Wrong Friend? How much science
fact is required to make good science fiction? This conversation
immediately jumps the rails when Nikem temporarily forgets which side
of the argument he is supposed to be on before
(00:57):
switching back to his original argument in the second round.
We hope you enjoy the chaos which I tried to
vamp and riff on as well as I could. Guys,
and what made this conversation really impactful with the insightful
questions that you are fans brought to the conversation. Then
I sit down with shin Godzilla director Shinji Higuchi for
(01:17):
a chat about seventy years of Godzilla and the beautiful
new four K remaster of Shin Godzilla and now our
San Diego Comic com panel with Does It Fly?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My name is Jollet Monique.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We're really excited to hear comic Con. We've got two
mega podcasts here. Okay, it's Extra Vision Rosie and Jason Rasil.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hey, that's us.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We're over and I heart podcast. We're talking movies, TV,
comic books, whatever you like. We're talking about it and
of course, yeah does it Fly.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They're get to be a science based facts okay.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
They're checking the scripts and making sure stuff would actually
work and getting down into the nitty gritty of it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So we come here today.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
To play a game. It's called Your Wrong Friend. Now,
this game was born out of love but also.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
A need to be right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Okay, So in order to play this game, here's what happens.
Somebody proposes a prompt, your friend says that's wrong. We
debate about it. It's a good time. We didn't want
clear winners, so we're mixing up the teens. It's a
battle of the sexes, everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, just.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So today our battle is does science fact improve science fiction?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Do you need facts in your movies and your TVs?
In order to make it good to share your opinions.
Having to get to it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Okay, Okay, they're ready, that's what realized, or you don't
do that fiction improving it is that advancing science.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So I'm gonna run through the parts of the game.
I'm gonna tell you guys how you're gonna help, and
then we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Okay, So first we're into opening statement statement Jason Tomorrow.
They're each gonna get two minutes to deliver an opening
statement for their individual teams and tell us why we
should believe.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
In their statements.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
M okay.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But then you're a wild friend.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay, So Rosie and a Keing, they're each gonna get
four minutes to respond to these opening statements. Then judges questions.
I'll kick us off with one question so that you
guys get an example. But that's where you guys come in.
You are our judges, so you get to go to
the mic and ask them a question. Okay, these guys
are gonna have one minute answer each one person from
each team one minute to respond, okay, and that's the game.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
At the end, we'll.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Decide together with a paddle Okay, we're flying high on facts.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I may dan with the fiction.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Let's get into it all right, who wants to go first?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
We're gonna go horsehack.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Com Jason, since you played the game, do you mind
kicking this off?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, give me Ki a seconds, pull up my timer.
Hold on. That means he's gonna say something really well.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I do have a scientist sitting to my right, so
it is it's only right and well that I will
kick this off having no science degree and bachelor's in music.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, for gentlemen, it's begin Music is math. Music is mass.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Of course, science improves science fiction because you need that grounding,
that structure to give shape to the wonderful flights of
fancy that we all do love so much. Now listen,
Is it a hard economy? Do I say that? For
instance Star Wars that has a lot of things going
(04:37):
on that don't really seem to have any kind of
anchor basis in actual science. Our ability to fly faster
than light speed, our ability to harness light in a
hard form to make swords out of it. I don't
know how you would do that, or I'm sure that's something.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
There's an episode on it that's exactly right, great segway
here a seguey.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But the ability to give form to these wonderful flights
of fancy is something that I think improves sci fi
and draws us in, does it not when you say, God,
can you is that actually possible? Could that happen? Could
we fly through space in an instant? Could we send
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our minds across vast distances? The fact that we can
look at different areas of science quantum physics, for example,
and see that there are strange things happening, particles that
seem to have connections despite not being connected by anything
we know, separated by vast distances, and yet doing the
same things. These kind of things are very strange and
(05:44):
yet magical at once. And so I say, yes, of course,
science fact improves science fiction because it shows us just
how magical the real world actually is.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To everybody. Food. I've seen a lot of fly and
high people are lying into it. Okay, okay, awesome, fantastic Stotlaw,
you have the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
All right, Well, I don't disagree with most of what
you have put out there, and yes, in an ideal
world we would have both science fact contained in science fiction. However,
if we have to err on the side of one
or the other. And yes I have notes because I'm
an eternal nerdy student.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You couldn't believe how much preparation Tamarras put into this,
Like it's unbelievable. She has like a book up hit dissipation.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So stories give meaning beyond facts. If you listen to
the podcast, you know I like my quotes. The world
is not made of atoms. It is made of stories,
said poet Muriel Rockeiser, And that captures how narrative truth
can resonate more deeply than scientific data. Accurate facts and
science tell us what is, but storytelling helps us understand
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why it matters. It turns raw information into meaning. So
that's the first reason story gives meaning beyond facts. The
second reason story can sometimes from science is because shared
stories create shared culture.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I mean, we are all here at Comic con right,
we that that are All.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Beliefs and values are built on shared narratives that bind
us together. And even the most accurate scientific discovery is
going to gain significance only when it's woven into a
story that all people can connect with and champions.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So that's number two.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Number three, storytelling inspires hope, and it shapes the future.
Great story spark the imagination and we know that better
than anyone at Rod murray enter statement. And it allows
us to envision the possibilities before they become a reality.
Throughout history, it is inspiring stories of what could be,
from mythic dreams to science fiction that is catalyzed real
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scientific and social progress. It gives stories give people the
vision to dream of better futures.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So, okay, all right, I love it again.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
With time to spars, we have our two debates on
the floor.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Hakim, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes, I is all right, We're ready for your Remuddal
say it's Mississippi.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
All right.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
First off, you know I'm with Tomorrow And if you
don't know, she actually has a theme song. It goes Tomorrawa,
I love you anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When you're a redheaded child growing up.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Okay, so just take the names of our podcast. X
ray vision. That ain't a thing, right.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Imagine you know the I is a cassive sensor, right,
Imagine if your eye was sensitive to X rays, what
would I see.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
When I look at you? Nothing?
Speaker 7 (08:53):
It will be pure blackness because X rays can't really
transmit through the atmosphere very far right. I can't look
in side of this man to see his heart beating.
If I got an X ray vision powerful, powerful, that's
a different ability. Man, Does it fly? We're talking about space.
(09:13):
Nothing flies in space. Fly ain't a thing in space.
Flight requires lift and thrust. Right, that's why you're not
weightless in an airplane like you are in space. Right,
in space, you're weightless because you only have weight when
something is stopping your natural trajectory through space time and
(09:35):
what do we call that? We call that falling?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
So, if someone ever ask you, mom, dad, how much
shes the earthway, your answer is nothing? How much shoes
the sunweight nothing? They're all weightless, right, So clearly you
do not subscribe to the position that you hold.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
SA.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
This is shocking.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, unheard of, Cory is.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You know, we are human beings and we live by story,
and you know those stories can be things that cause
conflict and difficulties in our lives, but not when it
comes to entertainment. Yes, we nerds can get into a fistfight, right,
who's more powerful, Superman or Crypto?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Yeah, we've seen it, right, this is entertainment.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
We love this and these stories you know they power
us and you know Tomorrow's right, he.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Won't Okay, I just need to say I am happy
to uh. I will now be switching positions. So it's
going to be a travish eimer. I guess it's a
podcast beef. But go on, finish, finish your last How
much Joel? How much more does Keema do it?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I rest my case why I don't know if it's Carlavo.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, all right, Rodie, are you ready now that you've
switched science? I guess I'm switching side. Okay, all right,
well here's I got an argument for you. Well, but
the incredible preparation, as always do science stories need to
be actually factual. I'll tell you why science makes the
story feel better and hook you in is because you
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need relatability, accessibility, and entertainment is a way where if
you're including real science, you can be teaching people about
real things. So I think that in stories, not only
do we, for example Star Trek of course create things
that promote the idea of new ideas. You know the
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cell phone. We all know that that was something that
was envisioned first of all by on on the Fantastic
Star Trek Show, and I think that that interplay between
inspiring science and incline luting science is very important. I
think we had a very funny episode recently about what
makes a sci fi movie, and a lot of it
(12:08):
was does it explain the science in a way that
feels relatable or feels real. There was much hilarious discussion
about what a sci fi movie is. I will not
get into it. You can listen to the podcast. It
was pretty crazy, but I do think that in a
world for example, Star Wars right not a factual thing,
but something that they did to keep that accessibility, to
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make it feel like you could understand it was they
kept retro futuristic computers. If you look at any Star
Trek thing, there are no modern computers. The technology has
not aged. It is essentially like nineties Windows is what
it looks like. But we as a human beings who
understand what a computer is, who understand how you know,
an airplane works because of facts and different factual storytelling,
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that can then help us have the cultural context understanding
of something like a spaceship, of something that is completely fictional.
I will also say magical realism often also includes real science,
So really It doesn't matter what genre you're in. If
you're watching a horror film, wouldn't it be very interesting
(13:14):
if it? And why do you think nowadays most horrors
are about grief or trauma is because that is a
real thing people can relate to. But horror has been
putting real scientific ideas into its incredible genre kind of
pool for years. Same with action adventure. Every single time
there is something in a story that is scientific, if
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you feel like you can google it and say or
ask ask a friend. Also, if you're googling it, put
the up minus AI. Don't be doing that. It's bad
for all of us. Please help. But the idea that
you could watch something Jurassic Park, you guys have a
fantastic episode about that. Every single time that somebody talks
about cloning bringing an animal back to life. You know,
(13:58):
recently they were talking about they've resurrected dire wolves, but
really they're just adapted science. We only have the understanding
of what these things are and how they are created
and how science works through storytelling that includes real science
that we can connect to. Jurassic Park. Could Dennis Nedriy
have shut that down with this little funny hacking thing.
(14:20):
Probably not, John Hammon should have spent more money on cybersecurity.
But hacking is real, and suddenly you start, he did
spare an expense. Let's just say that. But like, we
understand what a computer is, so that immediately allows us
to say, yeah, we know, we know what Dennis Nedwick's doing.
He's hacking the computer. We understand that, and that grounds
a story like Jurassic Park, when the DNA is being
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mixed with frogs and they're bringing to life, you know, dinosaurs.
The little grounding of computer technology, things you can check
in on hacking. Those things make it feel real. I
don't even think it has to be on a high
concept level. I just think as long as we have
some real technology that people can say I've seen one
of those, makes it more accessible, makes people lean in,
and hopefully inspires people to check out the real science
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that is kind of included and evolving from these worlds. Wow,
I mean sad. Please for a minute, les draw a hand,
crap up there.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Hold on, quick, quick, quick pull of the room.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Star Wars star sci fi?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Do you think Star Wars is a sci fi movie?
Put your panel up now, it doesn't matter what side.
Put your hands at all.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Wait a minute, versus women, Star Wars is not sci fi?
Put your panels up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Star Wars is not sci fi? SI five. Hey, okay,
I love this. This was a big argument we had. Wait,
can we actually do a survey up here at place
star Star Wars? Yeah, it's fine. I switched side. Okay,
so yeah, if you switch side xtra vision versus does
it fly in a friendly sense? Let's do a pull
(15:59):
up here.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Sci fi?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yes, Star Wars is sci fi? No, not sci fi?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I know you can think on your feet these seconds
on why Star t was isn't sci fi because you
have this augen.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Not sci fi because science fiction should absolutely be driven
by a man's interaction with technology, and not just like
here's a bunch of things we've never seen before.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
They got magical wizard powers. We're dealing with a lot
of like creatures.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
It leans way more into fantasy tropes than it does
science fiction tropes, and therefore for me, it resides in
fantasy and not science fiction.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Incredible work, just off the dome. She was ready. Okay,
I gotta ask you guys another one, because this is
now bringing back the beef of the Yeah, good job.
I don't know what you name. Great job, beautiful. I
love it. So do you guys? What are do you
think Godzilla is a science fiction movie? Hands up? Yes?
(17:06):
Or hands okay? Hands up? If you don't think it's
science fiction? Okay, pretty evenly matched. We came up with
an idea. This was our ultimate decision. If it grows bigger,
it is a monster movie. And if it gets smaller
and you can put like a person inside a body,
it's sci fi. How does that sound good?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Rule?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And okay, our role stitch, we're being an official. Wait,
hold that I have one more.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, go on one more, which is does something have
to be sci fi or fantasy?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Can you have a mixing of dona? How you have
sci fi fantasy? Your hands fantasy? Even sci fi fantasy?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh my god?
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Can anybody just shout out the name of a sci
fi fantasy?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He's already non okay, it's so disappointed.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
And then sober trade so fast. Okay, all right, we're
with the game. We're gonna below with the game. So
I'm gonna ask the palel question from each team. So
we're divided by podcast now and not the sund to
the sex.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Now. I was.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Okay, my team, is this because of our episode about
dinosaurs changing gender?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Is this where you just think that you can change
no matter what?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I didn't I was changing?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But okay, okay, we'll go back to the ansa question.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If the science is really super cool but the story
is boring, is the cool science enough.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
To make the movie watchableud? No, I would. I would
say it's a a no one the rewatchability factor. But
if somebody came to me, for example, a movie like
Primer right where someone's like, this feels like a really
new way of exploring, uh, time travel or whatever you
want to do, Like time Crime is one of my
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favorite movies. I will check something out because it has
the promise of cool technology and I will watch it.
But I might I probably wouldn't rewatch it if it
didn't have a good story. I think you've got to
meld both, which is obviously well you know, Rodenberry has
done so well these kind of ensemble costs. So yeah,
I'm I'm a maybe, I'm like, depends on the technology,
all right, science fiction says maybe science fact.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
The story has to be compelling period. I mean, if
you're doing it, if it's entertainment.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now, Jason, it's changing such.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
The two do work together because listen, you know, if
if you're writing a story, if you're doing a podcast,
if you're writing a movie, writing television show, you're asking
for people to spend time with you, and why would
they do it if it's not entertaining? That's all the
documentary Yeah, oh yeah, that's like, oh, Wikipedia, you can.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Read it in it.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I will also say, speaking up for documentary films because
I've worked on a bunch of them. Documentaries also need
to have really good story dat It's because it'squote unquote
nonfiction doesn't mean that storytelling isn't involved.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Great grateful, We're going to take a quick break and
we'll be right back and we're back hearing.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
In case you didn't hear what she said, it's the
baby turtle going through the sand.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You're like, there's no protagonist? Yeah, yes, who loves the
baby turtle goes through the sand. Give it a big cheer.
I saw one of it.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
I saw someone's hands come right up. All right, guys,
So now it's your turn. If I turn to ask
questions so we can get to the bottom of.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
This big debate, go that in a line behind the mic. Yes,
you can line up at the mic if you have
a question for us about any of these ever shifting toleics,
please thank you for the forest person. Feel free to
cue up. You can just stand behind him and we'll
do it as people go.
Speaker 10 (20:58):
So, Rosie, you mentioned that science doack can be very
inspiring to people, how it like inspires people to look
into the real science. But in my perspective, when to
make a good story out of science tack, you often
need to dumb down the science or like mess with
it enough that it feels like it becomes science fiction again.
(21:19):
And I don't know if you feel the same way as.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That, but I think I can, yeah, go for it. Please.
Well here's my thought on that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So, you don't want a movie to be so complicated
that you then have to go consult a manual like
you brought up Primer, which has been described as one
of the most scientifically accurate time travel movies. That said,
it's so it so dense, and even people who love
it have been like, I need to kind of like
take this apart. So my actual thought on that is,
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I like to think of entertainment as a gateway to
further scientific understanding. You know, you watch Interstellar, maybe you
fell asleep in physics class, but you're watching that movie
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm just going to like google that minus AI and
suddenly you go down the rabbit hole and that's where
you get to learn more. So I think it's okay
that it's quote unquote dumb down a little bit, or
maybe there's an extra step of what if taken. If
it then leads you into learning something else on your own,
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I would also say I think one of the best
things about and we talk about this a lot on
the podcast, like there's so much incredible genre content out
there now that you will be able to find the
hard sci fi book you want. I would recommend there's
not sponsored. I just read a lot tour books, Night
Fire and tour books. They put out some sci fi
that just three hundred word novella, just I mean three
hundred page novella just throws you into the craziness of
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the story and you're already in a fully built world.
They don't explain the technology to you. I think Martha
Well's murder Bot is pretty good for that. Telly so
I agree. It happens a lot on like big movies,
but I think in fiction and comic books and indie films,
you can still find stuff where people are pushing those boundaries.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Anything by Andy ware or Kim Stanley Robinson. Yeah, I
mean stuff is like very very quote unquote heart sci fi.
Speaker 10 (23:03):
Yeah, can you say those books again of Andy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Weir, who who's upcoming film, who did The Martian And
he has an upcoming film called Helm, a movie based
on his film Hail Mary that's coming out.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Currently in previews.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And Kim Stanley Robinson has a whole Mars series which
is three books about the settling of Mars and it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And the other one I was saying is murder Bought
by Martha Wells. It is definitely more on the comedic side,
but you intrinsically have to understand why somebody would create
a murder bot, what a murder bot would be like.
They don't. They throw you in to the perspective of
murder bort and you get this really fun exploration of
the world where they don't feel a need to really
explain anything. And there's a great show on Apple TV
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where they do feel a need to explain everything. But
after the second episode on Fire, that's a nearly fucking
on fire.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Thank you so much for a question. Appreciate you coming.
What the stround on the pauses? We've got lots hello
in a while, though, what is your question? Hello there?
Speaker 11 (24:01):
First, I want to say, Rosie and Jason, I'm so
glad you guys found a home on iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It was the longest time waiting for you guys to
come back. I'm really happy to see you here.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
So I want to spark another division along the Star
Wars sci fi fantasy good the bait, and I want
to ask you guys about Dune, whether or not you
think that's a sci fi or fantasy, especially when you
unspool some of.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
The later later novel okay, and some of the weirdness.
I'm going to I'm going to just start with a
really simple thing that is absolutely going to derail this.
But I seeing not a conversation where we were dealing
what is science and what isn't science fiction. The opening
idea was like, it has to have some kind of
science that is intrinsic to the story and is explained
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early on Jurassic Park that's why it's still surely in
that sci fi Kagri. That's how we worked out. I
think that complicates June. Let's just say with a Butlerry
and g had everything. Jason.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think Dune is a sci fi fantasy into Star Wars.
There's almost no technology in it. Yeah, it's still been
killed off, except you know there's still suits.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I get, yes, the still suits, but we did an
episode on the still suits.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Actually, biology is a science. I want to remind you guys.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
What do you think about June?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I'm working, I love doing and I sci fi science.
But you know the spice, Yeah, I got some dime
bags later.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
But Peah, that's great because that's a great segue for
the fact that we have an after hours episode that
we are recording live, all of us together Saturday night
at Mission Brewery.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
So just so you know, just just a doctor, what
would the spice the still suit water taste?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like?
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Oh oh, well, like here's what you should do, right,
because you don't really want to drink pure water, right,
I want to add minerals to it, exactly right, just
for the forss for it to not be as corrosive
and as it would otherwise be Uh, so you're gonna
flavor it.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
You know, it's gonna be gtaway.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That's why they get blue eyes. It's not spices, just
the icy blue gay earth. Okay, I agree. So do
we think it's a sci fi fantasy?
Speaker 7 (26:15):
I think fi.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Fantasy because the biology. There's a great biology.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, what do you think that says?
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, I I absolutely think it was.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Uh, it was grounded in sci fi because Frank Herbert
was absolutely you know, he did his research. But yeah,
some of those later you know, the tangents that goes
on then.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
But I think that also brings up an interesting point
because you know, biology is geology and geology is biology,
and you see that a lot in Doom.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
That was a great question.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, welcome back O the Bay Back. First fast question
was also great. Everybody's all great? Ever any done great.
We're actually judging your questions, so I guess what I'm
giving you all ten out of ten. Don't ruin it,
don't say something wait hack come back.
Speaker 13 (27:03):
So earlier you said if we have something shrink at
sci fi and if we have something grow, it's a monster.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's our current theory.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
So in that context, does that.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Make Marvel's Civil War with ant Man both a monster
movie and a sci fi movie?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh? Fuck, you love this And the answer is, yes,
you just coined a new thing. Marvel Monsters is coming back.
I love that question so much. I mean too, I
think it's interesting too, because it brings up the nature
of like what we understand as technology. We kind of
forget that. The answer is, like, somebody created that and
depending on your version, Gigi hank him, but they created
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that and then it manages to completely manipulate the size
of human biology or body everything. So he's definitely very
science heavy. And I do believe that because he's big.
I mean, in all world that would be a there'll
be a sci fi Kaidu movie. Baby, let's is it?
Is it still sci fi?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
If he doesn't shrink and go into somebody else's like body, Well,
to me, that is what makes it. That's what makes
me shrinking sci fi.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We am in it is, Honey, I shrunk the kids
sci fi? Yes, I believe he makes a sciey.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He makes he makes a scientific invention that shrinks his children.
I think that sci fi is just sci fi at
I blew up the kids, all right, I paddles up
is honey? I blew up the kids? Is that sci
fi and not sci fi? Sci fi?
Speaker 14 (28:25):
Sci fi?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Honey, I'm not sci fi. Hiding is a Kaiju movie?
Probably those months we had mixtures.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Will you add comedy? Right like Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
What is that? That's very true because Loud is sci
fi comedy, supernatural comedy, sci fi. I mean, thank you
so much for that. That was a great author has
always ten out of ten here in this yea thank
you ten out of ten continues winning streak.
Speaker 15 (28:49):
So I grew up in a time where a lot
of the non science based science fiction didn't appeal to
me at all. They the the inconsistencies that were created
from their created world, where it's just painful to read.
But then I also remember a quote from Arthur she
(29:17):
Clerk about an advance of society, their science would look
like magic.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So and lo, that's us the at some point in
the arc of science, it gets so advanced that it
might as well be magic.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, it's it's basically the idea that that science that
we have, that science, that magic is just science that
we don't understand yet. And you've heard that idea pop
put out that door movies and things like that.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
So but that extends, right, that extends in the spirituality
and everything else. Anything that actually occurs is occurring by
some mechanism, right, so you can find out what that is.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I was thinking of a question something along this lines.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
You know, there's never don't fact check me.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
In a very detailed way about this, but there's never
really been a point in human industry where we haven't
been like, oh, we got it. Flights of birds predict
the future, that's what it is. Yeah, Oh, if you
open the egg in a certain way, that's going to
tell you what the weather's going to be. Like, there's
never been a point where were where we didn't think
that we had it nailed down science wise. So what's
really interesting and kind of magical to me about kind
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of what we're talking about is, you know, we have
a lot of scientific capability right now. We have huge
telescopes in space, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The
stuff that we don't know must be truly insane.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Well, and kind of related to that, I would also
put out there the idea that science is always changing, right,
that's the scientific thick methods. So if you're gonna limit
things to just what is actually factually true in a
given moment, then that actually squelches innovation. It's squelch's creative thought,
which is nest and narrator Amiata seemed dated as well.
(31:14):
If you say this is the only way it's ever
gonna be, this is all hypothesis. Jurassic Park is interesting
in that way because we had the I'm a big
Drassic Park fan and the first movie you get this incredible,
crazy sci fi kind of set up.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
But then I completely forgot my point and I need
made pre cloning, so start cloning.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Boss are also coming with like a movie like Gattica,
which when it first came out, we were like, oh,
that's that's far far in the future of ashals crazy talk,
And now like Work, we have Crisper.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, we're we're yeah reality and the thing with
that I was gonna, oh my god, no, and I
lost the thing. I love Jurassic Park, but apparently I
don't have any clear thoughts.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
What I was going to say is Jurassic Park when
it came out, everybody thought that the science based on
what we knew based was that t Rexes couldn't see
you if you didn't move, And that's a massive plot
point in the first Jurassic Park movie. It's how they escape.
Don't move, don't shine lights. By the second movie, and
then specially by the third movie, they basically had to
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change how they interacted with t rex is because the
even just between the time of making those movies, the
science of how those animals live changed. So I think
that constantly being in conversation with real science and having
those updates makes stuff feel a lot more fresh. It's
like you say, if you just say this is how
it's going to be forever, you look back on it
(32:40):
and you're like, well, that character doesn't know very much
at all. It did you really agree? Question? Say it?
You comment? It was good? It inspired a good conversation.
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Speaker 14 (33:01):
Hi.
Speaker 16 (33:02):
So you talked a lot about how science back can
make science fiction better.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
But I was.
Speaker 16 (33:08):
Wondering, in a lot of fiction, there's this internal logic
that does not apply to the real world, but you
can sort of learn it like science. I'm a big
Transformers person, and there is this sort of obviously we
probably couldn't make gi and alien robots work, but in
the some universes, the logic makes sense and you can
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like follow it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So does that.
Speaker 16 (33:35):
Like, Oh no, I forgot, I.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Know I'm putting every it's catching science. Yeah, so I
can get into that science.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I have very strong feelings about this, okay, where
like and story intersect. So what I believe the bedrock
of really good sci fi, any movie, really, but especially
really good sci fi, is that they give you a
set of rules for the world, however close or far
from our real world those might be, and then there
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is a trust developed between the filmmaker and the audience
that says, I've set up these rules for you.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Now I'm going to tell you a story that plays
in that world. As long as they keep to those rules.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
We can believe anything they put in front of us,
because they said, this is it's not magic.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What if it's that?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Imagine come on a journey with me. But if they
give you the rules and then they break them, then
it become a bad filmmaker. Bad filmmaker and that's when
I think it doesn't work. So like for Transformers if
in their world they are consistent. And we actually did
an episode on Transformers where we looked at a lot
of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Oh who any of you are? So I have phantomly,
I appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
I want you to go to Doesn't Fly right after
this follow the podcast and then listen.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You can listens at flatpod dot com and you can
listen to that about Transformers. I would say, I'm a
big fan of the new Transformers one movie and it's
wonderful and I actually thought they did a brilliant version
of what you're talking about. They explained in the world
how they were kind of these different classes of Transformers
based on what technology they did and didn't have, and
it ended up making the science of it or how
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they work, the matrix of power, the thing, matrix of leadership,
the things they give to each other. You are totally
in belief of that story when you watch it Doctor
Sci Fi, Yes or no.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Transformers ooh yeah, and that has to be a yes
for me.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, I mean the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I mean it's dude.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
But at the same time, you know, just hearing this conversation,
It's just making me realize the extent to which we
everyday humans don't realize the magic of our everyday lives.
You know, we are you know procounsul, this eight that
descended from the tree evolved in the Australopithecus, and then
Homo habilis. That's who we are, right, you know. Once
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agriculture happened, it changed everything, right. It brought about civilization,
brought about lighter skin, brought about this whole world that
we live in, and we have taken it to where
our every day we're sitting in clothing and chairs under
air conditionings, get out with microphones. I'll mean, this is
nuts to me, right, but yeah, so our life is
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science fiction.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I love that the life is science fiction and science fact.
Thank you for your lovely question. Oh yeah, your passion,
your passion for Transformers. You are representing the Transformers fandom.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Well, we're gonna cut off the line here, guys, because
we're running a long time, so you guys, everybody's the line.
Hopefully we'll have tried to answer their questions. You can
say standing, okay, guys, sir, I.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Know who you guys are. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So sci fi?
Speaker 17 (36:49):
This is like a preferential question. Do you prefer like
when you're in a world of sci fi like Star
Trek and it's like the whole world is science fiction?
Or like an Alex Garland kind of like we're in
our world, but like one thing has changed like that
are absollent question?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's a that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Do you guys have heard so?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Do you do you prefer a sci fi that is
like a massive leap forward a las Star Trek or
do you like a more grounded Alex Garland esque sci
fi where it's like black Mirror. You know it's one,
it's all old, but but something else has changed?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
What a false choice?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You can enjoy us.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I like them both, right, I like the one I
haven't seen yet. Give me something, give me more, give
me more. Ye, but they both have their their place,
right and and.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
The latter when it's creepy, I really like it, right
and it comes across creepy like ex machina.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, exactly, it's a great exemple.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
That's a great example.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I I have nothing to add. I totally agree with that. Yeah,
I love both.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
What I love is a story well told, and I
love the way it whether it's speculative fiction or whether
it's sort of way in the future sci fi. Ultimately,
at the end of the day, a lot of the time,
it's really about where we are now that story.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, that's we've talked about that. When it comes to
the idea of, you know, a superhero fatigue. There's many
of you here at comic com We are not tired
of it. But I think it's all about tell a
good story. That's what we are we're saying, and I
like the way you separate those. That's going to be
a good debate for a future show. Because we had
a big, big drama over whether or not Children of
(38:31):
Men is a sci fi. We did enough us all,
and that one, I think is very complicated because it
works in your space, but there are aspects of the other.
But also there's not a lot of futuristic technology, so
that's one that I'm always interested to talk about.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'll also just add to your question, you can also
go back, So there's retro futuristic sci fi, what about
stuff that takes place.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
In a period that is prena is steampunk sci fi?
That's what I was getting because it's it was base
steampunk comes from the original computer, which even though it
was too far ahead to be a real computer, I
think that makes it sci fi.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
What about Furiosa's world, Oh, dystopia is dystopia, But is
it sci fi?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I don't know, because they just have caused the kind
of normal cause that they've redune, but it isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And in the later movies that ostensibly there was some
stuff that happened with technology and climate and all of that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So the ares and scientific underpinnings of it kind of
sort of mad Max Fury Roads Slash Furiosa. Is it
sci fi? Put up your hands? Is it not sci fi?
Put up your hands? Okay, okay, not sci fi? Takes
it fi definitely one, thank you, thank you question.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
So we'll be right back after a quick break.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
And get somebody up. Just got it, you got it? Okay,
go ahead.
Speaker 18 (40:05):
I just wanted to ask about Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Is that sci fi? Or fixing her boat? Babe? We
are always running to work this out. I will argue
the nineteen fifty four original Godzilla movie I think counts
as a sci fi because it was essentially the law
was like he was a dinosaur ship creature who got
hit by an atom bomb. It was very tomack age story.
And then he grew, So I think you could say
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that the first one is But then you know, are
you gonna watch Godzilla x Kong New Empire and see
Dan Stevens removing Kong's tooth? Does that technology make it
sci fi? Or is it more of an action adventure?
Manesota is a scientist, He's a vet. He's a vet.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
No, Godzilla is.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Okay, the science of radiation, right, science of mutation, all
of that is there.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Man Godzilla, I love the King Kong a sci fi?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Interesting? Interesting ar no? Okay? Wait may I may I
ask you all? Sweet? Yeah, what do you think? Do
you have a feeling about it? Which way is sorder?
Speaker 18 (41:12):
I think it's like science and fixing because I think
it's like sci fi because like Godzilla, he could shoot fire.
That means that he did all those buildings. He may
like take a nibble of them. He may then like
burn that fuel to use it.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Oh okay, I'm feeling like you may be gonna be
a Godzilla storyteller in your future. I also have at
the end of the uh thing, I have a Godzilla
prize for you for asking that question, so you can
come and get it at the end of the when
we finish the questions, I'll be here. Okay, thank you, Yeah,
get him a movie deal. We love that E get
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to see you.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (41:57):
Uh So at the very beginning we talked about like
trying to reinforce the fantasy with a basis in science.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Do you think creators can take it too far or
maybe like bungle.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Their fantasy with science or pseudoscience like midichlorians come to mind?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Right? Did that help the stars? Hey?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Go back? Oh the Chilians, you're back now. I had
a clorius about it. Coin all right.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So what that makes me think of is when I
have some of these questions, I do a very unscientific
research project, which is asking my fifteen year old yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
About this and we I don't know if our Freaky
Friday episode has come out yet and if I'm allowed
to know.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I didn't say that, Okay, so next week we have
an episode about Freaky Friday coming out, and so of
course I had to ask my child about that and
produce perfect audience. And I said, what you know, we
watched the original with Lindsay Loan and not the original
the first or the first Yeah, with Lindsay Lohan and
Jamie Lee Curtis, And I said, would you They don't
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really get into like how this happens. It's sort of
like magic in a slightly stereotype Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And I said, would you have wanted to know more
about that? And she said no. She said that through
the madness.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Lory, She's like, I want the magic. She was like,
I don't need to know that. Then it turns into
like it bugs it down. I'm interested in what happens
between the characters and the way they do it. I
believe it because I want to believe it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I think it's also to do with what you're
looking for. We had a great episode where we talked
to the author of this book called hild which is
technically a historical fiction book about a real life a
woman who ended up becoming like canonized, but the book
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reads like fantasy because she's such an incredible author, and
the way that she makes it feel feels like you're
in a world that doesn't exist, even though she's writing
about something that's factual. So I also can find I
like when authors try and push more out of the
kind of normal like literary fiction, and suddenly someone's doing
(44:03):
like a literary hard sci fi. But it's also like
a romance. I prefer when people take big swings. So
for me, I think there can be a lot of
gems when people are trying to merge those.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Let me give you a gepa. Yes here.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
So there's a famous twentieth century astronomer that all most
no one knows named Fred Hoyle exclusive scooped and he
wrote this book that I found in a good will
like somebody had passed away and their kids brought in
their library and not the book, but it's called The
Black Cloud, and he talks about this nebula that comes
into the solar system to feed on our son, not
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realize it's going to harm the humans, right, but he
goes it's like a lot much detail, like when he
walks into the observatory and he gets ready to observe.
It's all the stuff you go through, and it's really
he writes it so well, so it's not like a
self indulgent thing like include like in an interestellar, the
inclusion of the real black hole that was self indulgence, right,
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that's not what Coyle does, So there is a model
man where it could be done so well and you
don't even know if you're not a scientist, you don't
even know what's happening, but you get this vivid imagery
that just brings you into that story, you know, And yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Agree, I think I think Minichlorian's was a good idea,
poorly execute.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
It definitely added a law of I think unexpected god
rails for the Star Wars franchise, which can sometimes happen
when you overexplain stuff. But you're right, like having a
way to walk out someone's a Jedi is not a
terrible eye. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, and also I think too when you have these
longtime franchises that you see questions amongst the fans that
can ask over and.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Over and over, like how does the forest actually work?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Or how is it really that nobody recognizes Clark Kent,
Oh my god, And then you finally have a movie
that comes out like Now that tries to address that. Like,
I think there's also a dialogue that happens fandoms that
sometimes filmmakers will try and play with and sometimes it's
great and sometimes it's not.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
But I love that there is that interplay. It's hard.
What makes things fun? Okay, guys, I want to thank
you very much much, but I I just uh, Superman
hypno goggles? Do you like them? Do you like the
fact that the reason the glasses work is when he
puts them on, other people see him differently. That is
the current sends for yes, hands yes, hands for no,
(46:28):
hands for no.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
Okay, you know I would tell you what they should
have made Superman a semiconductor engineer, because when you put
on that buddy suit to go into the clean room
and only this part of your face is exposed.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No, I'm recognizing you.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Don't recognize people anymore because we never see each other
that way.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
And you look so different.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, it's the unexpected nature of your face is fully exposed,
but yet I don't recognize.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I would love to see that. Okay, this is going
to be our last question. Guys, I'm suicide around of times.
To go ahead. Oh no, So I wanted to ask.
We've talked a lot about the fiction aspect of it,
but in the reality aspect of science fiction and how
it affects reality, which.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Out of any fiction ever written ever made, what do
you think our future looks like most what how do
you think we're going.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
Okay, I'm gonna give you there's an optimistic answer in
my mind, and there is a scary answer. And I
think currently, and this is not an original thought, a
lot of really clever people have noticed this. Currently, we
look like to be on a kind of Octavia Butler
spiraling through Hell into this kind of fascist science like
(47:43):
but if I could pick someone that, I would hope
it looked like really anything by Ursula Lea Gwen because
she is someone who imagined a world outside of capitalism
and a world where fantasy doesn't immediately mean death or
sexual assault or anything else. So we love Octavia. We
love Octavia I thought less She's a fantastic, insightful writer
er and that's why she was able to understand what
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was happening in America.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
But I'm hoping for us, Lila Gwinn, how about you?
I totally agree with both of those so's. And that's
a great literary answer. I'll take it over into the
film Realm TV Realm, I would say, Yeah, Sadly, I
think right now we are hurtling towards some of the
gaticas and erminators in places like that. My hope though,
(48:27):
and I don't just say this because it's the company
that products our podcast, no, But honestly, my hope is
that we end up in Star Trek, a world where, yeah,
there are a lot of problems have been solved. There's
still no need for money, you know, but we figured
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
This stuff out and we get to do other cool
new things. So that's my hope, and I do, in
my heart still believe that that's possible. I love that. Jason, Well,
I think.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
That well, you know, I will agree with you too,
that we are in a difficult period. But I think
that what's really hopeful about it is things like this.
I've seen so many people, you know, in my friend
group and my family, just people that I know who
have are facing these moments with a decision to like
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turn to community and find other people who they can support,
and find other structures that they can make found family,
et cetera. And I think that's really hopeful. I think
that's going to be a lot of the future is
people like the people in this room, depending on each
other to get through a lot of difficult period A.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lot of people will cite Joseph Campbell as an inspiration
for storytelling and the hero's journey. But what they don't
realize is that he actually his next step after that
was communal reliance and just fortunately didn't live long enough
to write a book about that piece.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
But that's actually part of his legacy.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Perhaps a brave new world.
Speaker 7 (49:57):
Yeah, and there's gonna be a lot more of robots
and AI and connection via wireless connection. That's definitely going
to be a thing. How food is going to lifespans
are definitely going to be extended. I mean they already
have been. Transportation is going to be revolutionized as well,
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going to continue. That revolution is going to continue. And
you know, I think that there's a bit of unpredictability
because what's happening right now, the way our economy is
set up, there's going to be massive changes in that,
right the robotics and the AI and all all of this,
you know, white collar and blue collar the way they
(50:42):
have been isn't going to be that way in the
near or.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, wow, guys, we've done it.
Speaker 9 (50:49):
Hopfully hopefully you are like the machine on free answer
in your head and we're going to vote right now.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
So if you think science fact is what is necessary
to make a great science fiction project.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Raise your paddle if you think fiction can help bolster
the science fiction genre, raise your paddle now a winner.
I was just gonna say before we leave, this is
such a packed room. We love that you guys showed up.
We should do a selfie of us in front of
the road.
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Okay, but first, but first, I just want to shout
out real quick, if you guys see this QR code
over here, look at that.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
We're to be You're dark panel at the Mission Brewery.
Speaker 9 (51:27):
So everything's right there now you guys, I've been asked
to uh name, what.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Are our discussions about? But there are many children in here,
so all the challenge. Is there a PG way you
can tell me about your ass there is? This is
all panel. It's going to be really fun. Off the
dark hints that you know, we'll be able to get
a little bit out there, and it's gonna be about
the topic of read this as you will, remaxing Superman.
Could it really happen? Could you do it?
Speaker 12 (51:53):
Could you do it exactly? That's the kind of question
we're going to be losting. It's a whole other way
of looking at super power. Yes, and also as well, guys,
you can bring your friends who do not have SDCC badges.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
They it is not on the show for you can
scan that RSVP. It's gonna be super fun. And also
if you are a woman who loves the entertainment industry,
there's also gonna be like a mixer for that. So
I think it's just gonna be really fun. Come down,
bring your friends, and yes, romancing Superman will be the topic,
so it's gonna be really funny. Hello, den of geek fans,
(52:44):
I am Rosie Night here at Comic Con with an
unbelievable guest. Something very excited for me. As many of
you know, I love Godzilla. I have a shin Godzilla
director Shinji Hgushi here. How does it feel to be
here at San Diego?
Speaker 13 (53:00):
This Tokyo, Tokyo is extremely hot right now, so I'm
digging the weather.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's funny. We have people from the East Coast who
are digging the la weather.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
For he you know.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
So, first of all, I would love to know, like,
what was your first interaction with Godzilla? What is your
first memory of Godzilla?
Speaker 6 (53:29):
You can't talk?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Did is.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Stardayo Cheka?
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I was really really young.
Speaker 13 (53:45):
I want to say maybe even kindergarten, because I don't
quite remember it that clearly.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, do you remember when you were a kid what
your impression of Godzilla was in this kind of cultural
surrounding of him just being everywhere.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
You sho this.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
Because most so most of Uni No car.
Speaker 5 (54:20):
So struck it at the.
Speaker 13 (54:26):
Met The first Godzilla movie I remember watching was Gods
Godzilla versus Mathra, and I remember Godzilla getting all stringed,
and Godzilla was a bad guy back in the day,
so I remember that scene where he gets all wrapped
up in Mathra's string and then sent to the bottom
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of the ocean and loses.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, that's a very impactful moment.
Speaker 5 (54:58):
So it's a very scary memory for me.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, I feel like we're here to talk about, you know,
shin Godzilla, which my nephew loves but is also scary.
How does it feel, you know, nine years later, to
look back at Shane Godzilla and look at the movie
that you made in and release in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 14 (55:22):
Union that day pretty my highs that my daughters be
yea throughly era heroko w.
Speaker 13 (55:37):
Well, I'm very shocked and very happy that I had
this opportunity and that too would kind of look back
and then bring this movie once again to the big screens.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, how did it feel to see it in four
K remastered the version that the audiences will now get
to see.
Speaker 13 (55:52):
It was a young meet up council cor contemporary.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
Mmm, scukul it isn't it iPhone?
Speaker 4 (56:19):
So they.
Speaker 13 (56:23):
So it was never a really I want to choose
my words carefully here, but a beautifully shot movie in
the first place. There are some scenes that were shot
on iPhones and some scenes that I mean no shape.
But we use equipment that, like he would say, like
regular cameras, not like movie cameras to shoot. So to
see all of those scenes remastered, like I didn't expect
(56:44):
the quality to go up better.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
There's a good selling point. Even you were surprised by
how beautiful it was.
Speaker 5 (56:53):
Rocket guy saw.
Speaker 4 (56:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Something that I think is so interesting about Shin Godzilla
and how we got here is the movie comes out,
it is critically came, people love it, but you know,
over the years it has gained a cult status. What
does it mean to make something where your audience for
it is constantly growing?
Speaker 5 (57:14):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (57:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (57:24):
Happens?
Speaker 8 (57:25):
Sid he saw you just doesn't he.
Speaker 5 (57:29):
Don't know that.
Speaker 13 (57:32):
So I think I was one of those members of
the audience myself.
Speaker 6 (57:42):
So you.
Speaker 4 (57:44):
So you.
Speaker 13 (57:49):
I love that kind of movie, and I think I
was better than most of my peers at finding and
discovering those types of movies.
Speaker 6 (57:58):
Also turn the diego Google disagrest.
Speaker 13 (58:09):
So I have a feeling that I was probably like
one of your readers or audience members of Ten of
Geek myself when I was young, trying to find those
cult movies, and I was good at discovering them sharing them,
and that's what I wanted to see myself.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, I think that's a great point. I make comic books,
gotilla comic books actually, and often you you don't. You
you got to tell the story that you want to
see the sty you go. That's a good way to start,
you know. I think for you you had those early
(58:44):
entry points. Have you thought about the fact that for
a generation of kids, especially on YouTube, you know, shin
Godzilla is their first Godzilla.
Speaker 8 (58:57):
Like YouTube up, so next.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
Most of that.
Speaker 13 (59:15):
After Godzilla against Martha, I watched Godzilla fight Herdora, you
know that guy did so I think even as a kindergartener,
I was already experiencing brain rot.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Well, now the brain rot for the kids is Godzilla
definitely still They watch these videos on YouTube, every evolution
of Godzilla, so then knowledge of Godzilla is very deep,
even if they haven't watched all the movie us. But
when I do speak to kids like my nephews or
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kids who come to the signings, they love shin Godzilla.
Did you have an idea that it might be something
where kids are also going to be enjoying it even
though it is more scary grounded?
Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
Say, Oh, I'm like a kid myself thinking for the audience,
what even the target?
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Okay, So for you, then, what does it feel like
as the kid inside you, the young kid to play
in the sandbox of Godzilla and get to tell the stories.
Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
It alm.
Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Tell us?
Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Do it?
Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Digestion?
Speaker 13 (01:01:01):
I think there's a different Godzilla inside of every one
of us, right, different interpretation, different view So my job
for this particular Godzilla when I was given the sandbox
is to find people who had a similar idea of
what Godzilla is.
Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
To me.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, and I think I I was lucky enough to
see shin Godzilla in black and white when that happened recently,
I would say, like something that strikes me so much
is Godzilla always has great human characters, but there is
such a focus on the human characters and how kind
of the world would interact if there was a Godzilla disaster.
Could you talk a little bit more about bringing that
(01:01:40):
satirical or commentary.
Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
Edge to it?
Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
So kam mas not sage you can did in this
and I don't say more, what did I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Know?
Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
It's I think it's there is definitely a little bit
of commentary, but it's not one hundred percent satirical. And
(01:02:35):
I think for me, there is a hope somewhere that
there are people in our government who would make the
decisions that some of the characters in the movie do.
And perhaps that's the bigger fantasy than this idea of Godzilla,
that people in our garment will operate that way. But
I think that that was the hope that I injected
(01:02:55):
into the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I think we often talk about with storytelling, will be
cool radical imagination where you imagine outside of what we
already have, And I feel like in that way that
becomes a part of it. A functioning government that looks
after you.
Speaker 13 (01:03:10):
Is an ambitus to me kind of hunts you. So
it's like Tom Clancy novels for American How do it
is this?
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Perhaps, yeah, totally. It gives an insight. You know that
people think that they understand for you and that you
know you say, you're still a big kid. Me too, obviously,
all of us here. That's why we're a den of geek.
Are there any monsters that you would be so excited
to explore alongside Godzilla in the future? The Godzilla you.
Speaker 13 (01:03:48):
Can't do all that say about.
Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Man you can.
Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
M Kajin.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Personally, I want to preface that my personal yes, as
a manifestation wish for the future.
Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
The then let you go prop you take your so
it's good cod then you go this.
Speaker 13 (01:04:33):
Covid Godilla is different in every film. If you follow
the Godzilla films you'll probably know that. So the nineteen
fifty four Godzilla to the sequel, so when it fights
come is from the face to the by proportions, it's
all different. Facet is different when Godzilla fights Mathra as well.
Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Yeah, my mother.
Speaker 13 (01:05:08):
So of course when you meet a Godzilla fan out
the while, and there's a lot of Godzilla fans who
date us too, because the Godzilla has been around for
so long. So the first question you're going to ask
is well, which Godzilla designed.
Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
They like.
Speaker 13 (01:05:30):
Because you can kind of have this larger religious umbrella
I mean in Christiana, but there's all the subdivisions, right.
But I think something similar is happening with Godzilla. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I do think something that we say is there's a
Godzilla for everyone. You know, you have Minya, you have
like you have all different iterations. I like the Godzilla
who dances and skips, you know, but we still have
you know, incredible shin Godzilla minus one, there is dancing,
(01:06:05):
my favor I have a little Manila tattoo as well, Minya,
and then I have my my Godzilla two is kind
of hidden. Yeah, I feel like that's one of the
magical things because also the more blockbuster Godzillas, they can
direct kids to Japanese Godzilla and the interest spans. I mean,
(01:06:35):
do you feel like, as you the we have moved
so far away, almost a decade away from Shin Godzilla,
do you feel.
Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
Like the.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Fandom has like grown? Do you feel can you feel
that people really love shin Godzilla and it's now seen
as kind of this classic. Is that trickled down to
you as the director?
Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
I need to have to crush you told you movement
all so more mm hm.
Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Dibn huge issue.
Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
And come wh are So.
Speaker 13 (01:07:47):
I think it kind of goes back to what we
were talking about earlier, the different factions of Godzilla. Because
before we came here, we stopped by Super seven and
we had a little pop up event there. When I
was walking through Super seven, people are like overly protected
when there's anything Godzilla minus one, don't show be a
good time Godzilla minus wan stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
He can't see that.
Speaker 13 (01:08:07):
But I think, going back to the point off, there's
a Godzilla in all of us, and I think that
collectively becomes something bigger.
Speaker 19 (01:08:15):
Yeah, which Godzilla is inside you everything Godzilla. I'm every Godzilla.
Speaker 13 (01:08:44):
So if you follow Godzilla for sixty years, I think
you can achieve that status of embracing every single interpretation
of Godzilla. Until you get there, there's gonna be Godzillas
that you like and Godzillas that you hate. In fact,
I hated more Godzillas than I like, which is why
I tried to put all of that into shin Godzilla
as my own interpretation.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Something I would love to talk to you about as
like a fan of the movie is Godzilla. And because
I think now more people are going to be seeing it.
Could you talk a little bit about the different evolutions
of Godzilla and sh Gozilla in the movie, because I
feel like for a lot of people I've spoken to,
that is very appealing to them and it feels very unique.
And of course you created some very meaned monsters. So
(01:09:29):
could you talk a little bit about adding the idea
of the evolution of Godzilla to shin.
Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
No ma Shinka?
Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Do you idea.
Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
Stuck?
Speaker 15 (01:09:41):
I have a.
Speaker 13 (01:09:46):
Soda more she the point of them.
Speaker 8 (01:09:54):
Not didn't.
Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Shinka m.
Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
The basic story arc of gods. I think when people
you tell anyone that there's gonna be a Godzilla film,
they're already immediately thinking, Okay, there's gonna be Godzilla, and
then Godzilla is gonna fight against something, whether it's kenky Dora,
Mega Godzilla. There's gonna be some kind of antagonist for Godzilla.
But this has almost become such a I don't want
(01:10:47):
to say formula, but that's what people have come to expect.
I wanted to break that mold.
Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Tight hand up.
Speaker 13 (01:11:10):
And there's a budgetary angle to this as well. When
you've got it's more to kaji on the screen, not
just one and these Kaiji are fighting and everything around
them is getting destroyed. Think about the animation, the VFX, everything,
and to Hoo doesn't always give me the biggest budget
to work when it comes to making Godzilla.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Films, so it makes sense to have different versions.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Not the good you know, no idea.
Speaker 13 (01:11:53):
So yeah, so then the consideration becomes, Okay, we can
only use one Kaiju, but if we can at least
give the Kaiju different states, then that kind of folds
(01:12:14):
itself into the story and the narrative.
Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
But not just that.
Speaker 13 (01:12:18):
Toho's eyes begin to shine because it's like, oh, we
can do three different toys now just one.
Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was gonna
ask about the baby Shin with the big bug eyes.
Could you talk a little bit about that design, because
that is what every kid who I meet that is
their favorite version.
Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
And used to designs.
Speaker 13 (01:12:40):
Only you very accurately pointed out earlier that it's evolution,
it's not growth.
Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
So there's a difference.
Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
No, No, I don't think you.
Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Don't know.
Speaker 13 (01:13:14):
So I wanted to kind of follow almost a Darwinism
type of evolution, so we don't get to see it
in the film itself, but I imagined before we see
the first version of god is some kind of sea
creature that then becomes reptile and then becomes what we see.
Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Before we have to go now that this is going
to be back in there with the beautiful remaster, do
you have a message for Godzilla fans who are going
to go see Shindola?
Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Good?
Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Don't know?
Speaker 13 (01:13:55):
So before I give you a message, we have a
(01:14:17):
few more minutes. Can I still keep still in the
middle of my evolution?
Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
Thought?
Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Please?
Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Please?
Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Sorry?
Speaker 13 (01:14:22):
Sorry sorry that was yeah. Hell, when Godzilla goes from
fish to the just the version that you're talking about,
you see there's still gills because it's still mid transition.
It hasn't quite become a reptile. It's still between sea
creature and reptile. But there is another issue here, which
is that director on no, it doesn't like fish and
(01:14:44):
doesn't like meat.
Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
There, so I know men On, so director, I know.
Speaker 13 (01:15:05):
He hates when you go to like a fish market,
you see all those fish lined up and the eyes
the way you look at you. So that's when he
decided let's give him those I was gonna say, it's
definitely those eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
As soon as you.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
When you.
Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
Could you.
Speaker 13 (01:15:33):
So Ao was kind of confused because he thought he
made the scariest creature imaginable. But all the kids love it.
Everyone says it's super cute, so there's this gap.
Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I also I think kids like spooky stuff. It's a
way to test their boundaries. So I think it's cute
but a little bit scary.
Speaker 13 (01:15:56):
Good pie tonight.
Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Thank you you so much. Sorry for the interruption, Maria. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Yeah, If you have a quick message just to say
to the fans before we go, that would be amazing.
Speaker 13 (01:16:12):
I'm not even a message go into.
Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
She's Americano. That's the.
Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
I want to say.
Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Hi.
Speaker 13 (01:16:42):
I'm really jealous and envious of the North American fans
because perhaps culturally we've been taught in Japan, when you
go to the movie theater, you quietly enjoy your popcorn
and accept whatever the director has put on the screen
for you. But American audiences get really involved, very vocal,
very expressive about what their emotions are doing at any
given moment, so that you guys will be able to
(01:17:04):
experience that is something that I'm jealous of first of all,
but I hope you keep that energy in that wave
going for shinkat Villa.
Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
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