S2E18 The Age of Dissonance with Tyler McCall & Laura Breckenridge

Tyler McCall and Laura Breckenridge, aka the infamous Miss Carr, are back to help unpack an extra juicy episode, The Age of Dissonance. They discuss whether Blair should be forgiven for her past sins, the return of Carter Baizen, and the downward moral spiral of one Rachel Carr.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Laura breckon Ridge and I'm Tyler McCall, and
we're rewatching the Age of Dissonance. Welcome back, listeners to
your one and only source into all things gossip chrome.

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You know you'll love it. XO x O. Hello, Hello,
Welcome to another episode of XO XO. I'm your host
Jessica's Door. Today we're rewatching season two, episode eighteen, the
Age of Dissonance. This is another crazy one because we
are finally wrapping up the Dan ms Car storyline and wow,

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does it end with a bang? Because why would it not.
Of course, we also have some Blair drama after her
Yale acceptance gets revoked, But I mean, when do we
not have Blair drama at this point? Joining me for
her final Gossip Girl episode is the amazing Laura Breckinridge,
who played Miss Carr. We just had so much fun

(01:07):
last time and she was on and thought it would
be perfect to rewatch her last episode together. And I
also thought our favorite Gossip Girl historian, Tyler McCall might
want to help me walk through this episode with Laura.
So we are all together. The gang's all here. Let's
dive right in. Please welcome Laura and Tyler. Hi. Hi, Okay,

(01:43):
So we have Tyler here, Tyler McCall and Laura Breckinridge,
which I don't think you you both have not met,
so this is the first time. Hi guys, Hi lady Hi. Um.
I'm really happy and excited have you both here. This
happens to be Laura's last episode. And Tyler has done

(02:06):
a few rewatches with me and just really knows Gossip
Girl inside and out. Sometimes I have to ask her
questions about scenes that I filmed. I'm like, where was
I uh no, But she just knows it really well
in the fashion world and just has a really good
insight on the show. So we love having her here.
And Laura, when you came and did your storyline and

(02:29):
your arc here, you really came and made some noise
and then you bounce and I'm like, very upset that
you're leaving because I kind of have a soft spot
for her. There's certain things I don't agree with at all. Um.
Maybe I had a soft spot in the beginning when
you first meet you and you don't know where it's going,
and then all of a sudden, I'm like this crazy lady. Yeah,

(02:51):
she takes a turn. She takes a big turn to
say the least exactly. But yeah, let's should we just
dive right in? Yeah, okay, So this is season two,
episode eighteen, The Age of Dissonance UM, which is a
play on the nineteen nine movie The Age of Innocence,
which I love, And this is something I've seen and

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I'm super pumped about it. So let's get into this
because a lot of people were writing in about this,
so many people are wanting to know why miss Carr
was into Dan. Can you give us that before we
get into this episode? People want to know. If people
want to know, I think, I mean, my my take
on it is that he's incredibly smart and intelligent and

(03:35):
there's a worldliness to him, right they they wrote her
as kind of this. She comes from Iowa, she's big guys,
big city, she's new to it, and I think she
meets Dan and he seems to her especially I think
maybe for a high school student. You know, he's known
as a great writer. She she sees that he's smart,

(03:56):
he's intelligent, and he's nice. I think both Serena and
Dan very welcoming to her in the beginning, and he's, uh,
he just I think kind of lets her into the
world right where everyone else is kind of shutting her
out of the world. And she's going toe to toe
with Blair, and I think she kind of identifies in
him that he's a bit of an outsider in that world,

(04:18):
yet he's also in that world, which I think I
kind of have this idea that she probably didn't fit
in in high school. She's kind of rigid, She's had
like a hard time, you know, she doesn't go with
the flow. So I think she uh always was a
little outsider herself, and she sees in Dan that he
stands outside that world, but he gets to be in

(04:39):
the world, and he's in it enough that he's willing
to take a stand against it. Right. He can stand
up to Blair, he can hold his own and I
think all of those things together what she finds attractive,
and I think he lets her in And so to Serena,
she's like, yeah, we can be friends. It's you know,
friends with a teacher, which is a little getting to well.

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And Tyler and I were talking about this for the
last episode. They're all calling you Rachel. I know. Yeah.
That I'm obsessed with is that they all call your
people and I'm like I now, as a mid thirties
adult woman, would never call a former their first name.
I call my my son's teachers by their last name.
I don't even I'm not like, hey, I'm they're always

(05:23):
miss missing right like I yes, I know they're They're
very casual about it, and they don't. I don't know
if we see other teachers, but they they're definitely not
calling the headmistress by her first name right there. No,
they're always heads out outside of school, especially we didn't.
We also rememor tizing we touched on this, like you're
not even teaching Dan, Dan not his teacher, and so

(05:47):
he's calling Rachel. He's meeting outside of school. You don't teach,
I mean, right, Yeah, She's like, come meet me at
my coffee shop and we'll like hang out, right and
she Serena's like I brought us coffees to stay right there.
There is this friendship kind of thing that, Um, she's young,
she's but she's still an adult and she's still the professional,

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and it is up to her to make sure those
lines are not crossed, and she does not abide by that, right, Okay,
I can I see what you mean though, what Dan
was seeing in you, and there's definitely a connection right
away when Blair sees it in the hallway. Now Blair
went five steps ahead again and you know, made assumptions
and decided to you know, take you down before knowing anything.

(06:31):
But then nonetheless, like you left us with the ft
the end of that episode, pulling him into your your home.
So right, i was like going off about the whole thing.
I'm like, Blair and Serena need to calm down and
take a step back, and who do they think they are?
And then you end up sleeping with Dan. So I'm like, yeah,
Blair saw some girl had me right where they want

(06:52):
the audience like getting fired up. And then I'm like, oh,
never mind, the teacher was not in the right but um, okay,
So here's where we left off. Chuck woke up in
a hotel after attending a secret society party. He chased
down the mysterious L who told him he could be
in danger. Meanwhile, Blair got revenge a new teacher, miss Car,
and ended up expelled from Constance. Temporarily, L disappeared, Harold

(07:15):
left town, and Dan got down, down down with his teacher. Okay,
And here's what the episode. We're gonna get into it.
The seniors put on a production of the Age of
Innocence and find their personal lives mirroring the play. Serena
develops a crush on the plays director Julian and enlist
Vanessa's knowledge of theater to help her get his attention.

(07:37):
Blair receives devastating news about her future that leads her
on a witch hunt for the person responsible. Dan and
Rachel agree to stay away from each other, but find
that the promise is hard to keep. And meanwhile, Chuck
tries to help a new friend but has to involve
arrival from his past. Was anyone shocked when Serena had
a crush on Julian by the way, No, I'm just

(07:59):
like she's like, oh, I'm gonna like to that, and like,
of course you do. Serena And I didn't remember how
annoying that character was, Like he was such a fun
and cool guy that I was like, oh my god,
I forgot how annoying they were like making him come
off as in this episode, I was like not getting
down with him. Yeah, okay. So the show opens up

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once a year, Constant students put on a senior play
and this year they picked the Age of Innocence, which
I was super pumped about and I love uh. And
the episode starts with Blair talking about her life and
how perfect it is so she can't relate to her
character and Serena's distracting herself with the crush on the director.
I loved at this moment. Then I just liked the

(08:42):
shot of them like sitting backstage looking at each other
in the mirror. But this also brought me back to
I think it was when when Layton did of Mice
and Men and she played cloths Wife. Yeah, yeah, And
I went to watch her and I just remember like
tons of Gossip Girl fans like glining up outside so
excited to see her in this play. And but this

(09:04):
just brought me back to that, because, um, she was
so great in that. Yeah. I really liked how the play,
I mean, obviously they chose it for this reason, just
really does kind of mirror their lives in this moment
in time in a way. I thought that that was
really smart, and I thought they had a lot of
funny moments with it, right, And this sets the stage
for that, right. The very opening is this really funny

(09:28):
scene with Blair being like, my life is just perfect.
I can't relate yet. It's more like staring at her
side at right, what do you meaning? What are you
trying to say? Exactly? And they do a lot of
that where they take the play and they mirror it,
and there's comedic moments like later on not to jump ahead,
but when they're Blair and Dan are in the carriage.

(09:49):
I remember watching them shoot that and trying not to
crack up while they were shooting it. Oh my god,
that was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, it was. It all came
together really, really well. But so it's so funny because
I was just thinking about, like when Nate comes out
and does his thing in the play and Blair and
Dan are doing that, and I was just gonna say
to you guys, what happened to Chuck? But he got

(10:10):
a doctor's excuse for actual stage? Yeah? I love it?
How did I miss that? Says? It says like, I
can't believe we have to do this, and and I
couldn't remember why he wasn't there, And then I mean,
Vanessa is there? Vanessa is there? All the kids there
are you know, like, where's Chuck? Oh my god? He
got an actual stage fright excuse from a doctor. I

(10:34):
mean trying to imagine Chuck Bass doing a school play,
you know, I mean I can't, but that's why I
wanted him in it. I know, I know. Oh oh
my gosh, hilarious. Um wild, Well he's not there because
he had stage right. And then backstage, Nelly Yuki screams
she got an email from the dean at Yale and

(10:57):
she's been accepted early, which is like a jaw dropping
moment for everyone because we've been doing this like kind
of fight for Blair to get in and for me,
I feel like, as much as like Blair's getting under
my skin lately with thinking she can is invisible and
can do whatever, I still want her to get into Yale.
I know, yeah, me too. So she so Blair says

(11:19):
that that's impossible when she finds this out. The only
one constant student that gets accepted early each year, it
was supposed to be Blair. So she goes to the
headmistress to confirm this, and she tells her that an
anonymous caller told the dean about Blair's hazing, and because
of that, she's not going to be going to Yale.
So we know this is like that dun dun dunk

(11:42):
moment that she's going to go down right, yes, because
Blair is not going to take that line down. No,
absolutely not. Also, up into this point, if I'm correct,
I think she's just been fighting for the early spot.
In a couple of episodes before when you meet Ray Michel,
it's about the early spot and they're like, no, no,

(12:03):
you can still get in later with regular admission. And
then this moment had Mr Schueler is like, it is over.
It's totally over. They're not accepting you at all. So
it really Yale is off the table. Yeah, okay, let
me ask you guys this, what are your takes on this?
As much as I'm like wanting Blair to go, Like,
if we take a step back for a second with

(12:24):
what she's pulling and doing, do you guys think she
deserves to go to Yale? I mean, in the real world,
a student who did this would know absolutely not would
not be going right, And the Blair that I love,
I'm like, oh, she's she should be there, and she
would be like so, you know, But then a part
of me like really breaking the episode down. It's like, no, bitch,

(12:46):
you can't like make up lies about people and throw
people under the bus and put people on blasts and
these are really like serious matters that she does this,
you know what I mean. So part of me is like, yeah,
it's like you said, Tyler in the real world, like, no,
you can't go there's a there's a point in which
she has to be held accountable, right exactly that said

(13:09):
as a fan, right, you're watching and you love Blair,
and I think you see the goodness in her, right,
and you're like, just do that forget this other stuff.
And when we find out later that it's Rachel calling,
I'm a little like, as a teacher at your job
to teach her your students and help them grow and learn.

(13:30):
But I'm a little bit like that, But how do
you do that? Right? Like, what is the right choice there?
And is totally blowing up your students college dreams the
right route to go? Is that really the way you're
going to teach that lesson? Right? Is that how you're
really going to get through to her? For sure? But
it's in the same sense last episode when they're all

(13:52):
at the student you know, the parent council meeting, and
this rumor was put out about miss carr And and
there was no evidence or anything had not even had
not happened at that point. So what they were doing,
even Serena taking the photo with assuming something was going
on again, you having dinner with Dan outside of school,

(14:13):
it was was that inappropriate a hund percent. But you
guys hadn't slept together, So to put that out there
was a was a lie. I mean they had no
they really didn't have real evidence or any of that
kind of stuff. So for them to do that and
ruin your career, yeah, it's wrong. And then on the
flip it was like even like Lily, everyone was kind

(14:35):
of like, but it's Blair's future. I'm like, yeah, but
she blatantly made up a lie and it's like ruining
people's lives like that. That's why I was getting so irritated,
because I'm like, these overprivileged kids think that that they're
untouchable sometimes and that's not okay because the world around
them makes it right. Right, there's people who are constantly
to pieces and justifying it. Yes, I think what's really

(14:57):
interesting about miss Cartwo and Laura, I'm sure you can
speak to this more. First of all, it's the first
time that we really see a teacher at all. I mean,
we never really get to see what what teachers are
like in this environment. But I feel like Ms. Carr
is this nice girl from the Midwest who was I
think she didn't teach for America or something before this, right,

(15:17):
and she comes into this world and it just shows
how this world of these rich kids on the Upper
East Side is just so corrupting that, Yeah, she's there
for not even what a full semester, and she's getting
a student uninvited from Yale, and she's sending in tips
from Gospel. Not to get ahead of us on that either,

(15:38):
but she's taken all these secrets that Dan has given
her about other students and sent them into Gossip Girl
to sabotage Blair specifically. And it's just so interesting to
me to see how this world can corrupt an adult. Yeah,
it just flipped you. You went from like I was
like rooting for her and then I'm like, wait, this
girl is just as bad as everyone in the sense

(15:59):
of backstabbing and throwing people out there and their stuff. Like, yeah,
I think this show, you know, part of it shows
how we all have in us the ability to be
selfish or deceitful, and she it's it brings that out
of her, right you. I think you learn about somebody

(16:20):
when it costs him something, right, their job, the reputation.
And it turns out that when she's shown that she's
going to lose her job and her reputation, she makes
this choice to kind of join them, right, to go
in and and just say, well, they already think it happened.
I'm gonna whine on and I'm gonna do it anyway.

(16:40):
And they're using gossip girls, so I'm going to use
gossip Girl. And she kind of gets down and in
it with them, and it does. It corrupts her, and
she goes with it, right, She she has that choice
to get in there. Yeah. And when Jenny's at the
auditorium and she's there to make some costumes for the
play and Dan ends up being on stage and he
sees Miss Carr and the audience and that she's being

(17:02):
rehired after the scandal. But he sees how people are
treating you. That's like the damn that I'm always like, Oh,
he's so sweet, like he wants to make it right,
like even though something went down, they did rehire her
and it's wild to me because I get this like
soft spot for him. And then I'm also like, you're
the crazy person that's also gossip Girls, so I have

(17:23):
to always like check myself. But Rufus comes to me
Jenny at this point, there's a note. Jenny tries to
hide it, and oh, man for me, because I'm I
have four siblings. To ever like be in a moment
where you might out your brother or sister like and
get them in trouble is like the is it like
a scary feeling because you want to have their back.

(17:44):
So I felt for Jenny in that moment because she's
really not trying to let Rufus see this note. But yeah,
when when that happened, I was just like tripping because
I'm like, oh, here it goes. And Rufus has like
no room for any part of this situation. And I
don't blame him either. Know it already has put you
know Dan the picture in the previous episode and and

(18:07):
the whole thing around them having dinner together has already
put such so many eyes on Dan. And I think
Rufus feels like he's worked so hard that's and and
he's gotten into Yale. It's like, don't don't blow this moment.
And she's a teacher, like this is not an appropriate thing.
She is not acting appropriately, and I totally as a

(18:29):
especially now as a parent, I totally get it. I'm
like no. And then Jenny's like oh no, oh no,
what Ana. And later in the episode when she has
to kind of tell him like dad has the letter,
I'm like, oh that feeling. Yeah, so uncomfortable. So uncomfortable. Okay,
so we're still at the play. Vanessa is full on
at this play, you guys. I'm like, Okay, she's just

(18:51):
got that camera out in everyone's face, right. I was
actually really enjoying her this episode, just because one, I
think she really is into Nate. I like her her
vibe with Serena and there because you don't see it often,
but you do hear Serena say that like a few times,
like oh, Vanessa is my friend. And then when she says,
I'm like, when do you guys hang out? And then

(19:12):
you kind of just see a scene where it's like
supposed to be you know, yeah, I agree. I I
loved you in this episode. I loved this storyline for Vanessa,
and I like that moment when Serena and Vanessa together
and Blair's like, why are you talking to the enemy?
She's like, I like her, like her. I like that
moment a lot. Yeah, it was a pretty funny moment

(19:34):
for me too, because she comes up and just goes
right after Vanessa, and Vanessa just looks at her and
like okay and walks away like I don't have time
for this, Like of course you think it's me. Vanessa
just doesn't care enough in the sense of like nothing's
gone down for her to really go and try to
ruin Serena and Blair. Right, I definitely knew it wasn't Vanessa,
but not because I played her and remembered. I was like,

(19:56):
or did or did they have me do that for
some reason? But in watching it for the first time,
I'm like, Vanessa just doesn't care enough Blair to try
to sabotage you that badly, you know what I like.
That's one of the things that's so great about this
episode is when Blair is trying to figure out who
is sabotaging her, she goes through so many different people,
and her minions tell her at one point, nobody likes you, Like, unfortunately,

(20:19):
you've created so many enemies. Oh my god. And how
about when she goes how hard is it to get
revenge when your enemy is changing everything? And it's yeah,
oh man, And that was like harsh. I was like felt,
I'm like, oh, poor Blair. But at the same time,
I'm like, yo, you've taken down every single person that

(20:39):
you think is doing this to you, So have a
little taste of your own medicine, and like, don't do
onto others that you don't want done in unto you,
you know what I mean, like the doing business. Yeah,
she's gone after so many people she now she doesn't
know who to trust anymore. Right. It's also it's like,
but I like that Vanessa and even some of the

(21:00):
other characters they don't feel the need to defend themselves
to her. They're just like, it's not me. I know,
it's not me. Why, Like, I don't need to prove
to you it's not me. No, Vanessa literally shrugs and
walks away. It is also really interesting to me that
again with the hindsight that Dana's gossip girl, but in
not all the secrets, like all roads do lead back

(21:21):
to Dan, right, Like She's like, nobody knew about this
except for you. And it's proving again that Dan is
this quote unquote ultimate insider because he knows all these
secrets right, and he told them to Rachel as like
pillow talk. I guess, Oh my god. And then what

(21:50):
about just Carter Basin's return. I get so happy when
I see Carter Bason. I love Carter Basin, me too.
So Chuck is at a stront where he runs into
Carter and he happens to be with L who then
again I'm like, wait, he turns to you know, this
beautiful girl turns to the cup at Chuck and it's
l I'm like, what in the heck is going on?

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She excuses herself to go to the bathroom, and Carter
is told by someone that she left through the kitchen.
Chuck goes home to the penthouse and sees l there
waiting for him. She tells Chuck that she has been
on the run and thought Carter could help her since
he's rich. The members of the club want to hurt
Al because she could ruin them, and Chuck says he
can get her a passport to Brazil so she can flee.

(22:36):
I mean, did you just hear that? That is like,
just tell me your thoughts on this whole thing, because
the fact that L sitting with Carter is like, is
insane to me? Yeah, I mean I love it. Having
Carter back at all to me is always a treat.
Anytime we get Carter based in back kind of I'm excited,
And it's just not clear whether he's on a good

(22:57):
side or a bad side. But Carter, so you know
he's on a bad Yeah, but he is playing that
fine line of your like Okay, what's what has he
gotten this? But yet he is doing something for Chuck,
so we're kind of like, okay, yeah, you know what
I mean, Like, yeah, so it's like, is L pulling
one over on Chuck? It's so common this plotline. I
said this last time, but it's I'd completely forgotten how

(23:19):
kind of twisted up this plot line gets in like
two episodes for sure, But like, can we just talk
about L, Like how are we feeling about her? I
don't know, like she's mysterious, but I feel like she's
like she's straight up and like I just need someone
to give me money, which I guess it's nice that
she's being honest, but I'm also like, you need to
go somewhere. It's hard to know who to trust in

(23:40):
this storyline. So it's like, yeah, I think she's a
little bit like did she fall into it and now
she's just trying to get out of it? Did she
always know what she was doing and was ready to
exploit them but is now scared to exploit them so
as to figure out how to do that and get out.
I don't know what to think. Yeah, I don't either.
There's not enough to be like not like her, but

(24:02):
for me, I'm also like the few things that I
know are just like, you're not being a very stand
up person, you know what I mean, Like you're you
want to use someone for their money. I mean, she
flat out says it. You're also in a secret society
at night while you're watching kids during the day, which
is shady, right like pick one? No, I'm just kidding.

(24:23):
But um, Meanwhile, there's a dinner with Julian, So Serena, Nate,
Vanessa go to dinner. Here's the first time where I
feel like you're seeing Julian where you're like, Okay, you're annoying.
But that also says something for the actor playing him,
because doing that takes a lot of talent so and
I remember him not being he was awesome. So they're

(24:45):
sitting there, Nate's kind of looking over at the conversation
with him and Vanessa, and Serena like doesn't really know
what to say, but Vanessa is, you know, trying to
put Serena in her best light, which I thought was
really cute of her. But I didn't see where that
whole thing was going, Like, you know, Nate leaving because
he thinks there's like a vibe or something, and then

(25:07):
you know, Serena having Vanessa and like, what do you
call it, like a microphone in her ear? Yeah, like
a Syrano de Bergerac scenario where Vanessa is feeding her
lines to use on this. I also just think it's
really fun I almost feel for Vanessa, but it is
really funny because she thinks Julian is really obnoxious this
director guy um and she's trying to figure out why

(25:29):
Serena and then she's she's listening off all these things
and she's like, I guess these are also things that
I like because I'm really annoying or something. I know.
I was like, you didn't have to say that, Vanessa's fine.
I like them, but like you're not. Yeah, I feel
like Vanessa. I liked her in this episode because even
if she was into that, she she goes about it

(25:50):
another way, you know what I mean. Yeah, so I
was gonna say she's not. He's like wearing it on
his sleeve, showing it off once to you know, he's
using it to to feel powerful in this world. And
Vanessa just is into it and she doesn't feel the
need to show it off all the time. It's just
what she likes. And I think that's why she and

(26:10):
Nate work. He gets insecure about it, but she's like,
I'm okay that this is not your thing. That's ok yeah.
At the very end, and he's like, well, maybe we
don't like things. You you read books and I want
to watch ESPN, And I'm like, that's okay, you can
still still hang out, right, I will say I did.
How I had a boyfriend like that in high school too,

(26:31):
where you're just so frustrated because you're like, well, why
can't you show interested in the things that I'm interested in?
You know? Right? I felt for Vanessa, Yeah, and I
like I was like, wait, are they actually breaking up?
And I forgot She goes at the end and he's
watching watching the movie and she's like, let's watch ESPN
and I brought treats and I like thought that was

(26:52):
really cute of her. Yeah, that both of them. But yeah,
and then meanwhile we got Dan rushing home to the
law off and asked Jenny if Miss Carr responded to
his note. She says yes, but Rufus has it. So
Miss cars at home lighting candles for romantic dinner when
Rufus opens the door with the key and gives it
back to her, saying this belongs to you. The next morning,

(27:16):
Rufus tells Dan that things between him and Miss Carr
need to end, and Dan says that he's eighteen, so
he will decide who he sees. Okay, that's like, I mean,
what do you do there? What do you do as Dan?
What do you do as Rufus? I don't know. That's
like a tough spot because he is eighteen and he

(27:37):
can decide, and there's like some real connection that Dan
has with Rachel. Right, but just because he's eighteen, she
technically wasn't his teacher, and then when it happened, she
didn't even work at the school. Just because something is
legal though doesn't mean it's right. It's like, it isn't right,

(28:00):
and it's on her right, even if he's infatuated with her,
I would says the year old teacher. It's on her
to say no. And so I get rufus in this moment.
He's like, you can't. This is not it's not healthy,
it's not something you should be pursuing. And we shot it. Actually,
when we shot the second episode, we I think they

(28:21):
couldn't get the location again of her apartment. Um or
you know, it's easier. This was the only scene at
her apartment for this episode. So we shot all of
the apartment in one day. And so Norman Buckley, who
directed this episode, came and they just added this scene in. UM.
So I didn't even have the rest of the script
for this episode when we shot that scene. They just

(28:43):
kind of told me kind of what was happening a
little bit in the episode. UM And so, Yes, I
loved Norman. He was wonderful and Matthew was lovely and
um but I will say when he came through that door,
I still remember, you know, when you in the scene,
you can feed off of it. The way he looked
at me and the way he delivered his line, I

(29:05):
felt just my whole body. It was like, this is
not good something. Yeah, it's very easy to respond in
that moment because he delivered it very intensely, or it
felt intense even if it was like, yeah, you could
see that on it. I mean, that's like the whole
situation is just yeah, I wouldn't want to be anyone

(29:28):
in that situation in life, not the parent, not the kid,
not the teacher, you know what I mean. And then
we get to a Carter kidnapping L. Chuck's outside the
penthouse talking to Carter, who says he'll help help L
get across the border, and then she kisses Chuck and
gets into Carter's limo. I don't know. I'm like, what
is happening? I'm like, do you I felt like they

(29:49):
were like in an open relationship, like she somehow has
something going on with Carter, but she's kissing Chuck but
leaving with Carter. I'm like, what is happening. I'm just
surprised Chuck usted Carter, But I mean, did he have
a choice, Like maybe not, but like after the whole
gambling thing in season one, it's like, why would you

(30:11):
ever trust Carter? Basin ever again. Right, But that's where
I think when he saw him. I don't think when
he went up to kind of say hi at the restaurant,
I don't think in a million years Chuck thought he
was sitting with this mysterious L, you know what I mean.
But I agree because that's the thing. That's why I
also think, I like when Carter comes on, you just
don't know what's up as sleep exactly right now he's

(30:32):
doing something to help Chucks over kind of like sweet,
but who knows if he can he'll really come through
with that, you know what I mean? And in this moment,
I'm like l is in trouble. She is just like
she something's happening. This is bad. Yeah, And Carter like
holds out his wrist because he's part of the Secret Club.
So it's kind of like it's like what you were saying.

(30:52):
Maybe he's not taking her across the border. I don't know. Also,
what what happens to the kids that she's nannying? Like
they just don't have a nanny? Now? I guess not,
I think, yeah, I guess no. What won't somebody think
of the children, Like there's kids evolved here people, Yeah,
Oh my goodness. So now Blair is ruined and we're

(31:17):
back at the auditorium. Blair goes to confront Nellie. She
tells Blair she didn't call Yale, but anyone could have
because everybody hates her. That's what Nelly literally says to Blair. Well,
everyone hates you, which is like such a stinger. And
I had a lot of feels in there for a
moment because I'm like, I'm sure people have an issue
with you, Blair, because you like don't care and you've

(31:37):
taken a lot of people down. But no one ever
wants to be told to their face that people don't
like them, you know what I mean. But then Serena
burst in and she tells Blair that she's a shameless
bitch for telling Gossip Girl about the Yale acceptance and
that betrayal is in your nature. Um, And then Penelope,
I mean, these are some harsh things, betrayals in your nature.

(31:57):
No wonder Yale dumped you. Who wants in red legacies?
Says Penelope, Like, those are some harsh, harsh things. But
I don't know, do you do you feel like there's
truth in this? You guys? I mean a little bit Blair.
Like Blair will say later an episode like nine times
out of tenant would have been me who sent the blast, right,
Like she gotten not at Serena. She definitely has sent

(32:21):
in tips to Gossip Girl about Serena. So it's not
a stretch to believe that Blair was the one who
who sold Serena out as like a revenge tactic or something.
I think though her friends are always you know, especially
at Penelope and her minions, right, they tend to stand
by her and they're like, yeah, yeah, okay, do it,

(32:43):
it's fine. And then when they're turning and they're telling
her nobody likes her, and then Serena tells her betrayals
in her nature. It's just I think it's the lines
coming from those people have to hurt much more than
when it's the other people that she's going after by
her side, right, they've been you know, sometimes they've been

(33:05):
in it with her. I mean, the minions have. And
so she's done what she's done, so it's kind of
coming at her. It's just hard to watch. It breaks
my heart. I feel like it's also kind of kind
of heartbreaking knowing what we know at the end of
the episode, that actually the person who gave the tip
about Serena to Gossip Girl was Rachel. Yeah. Yeah, because

(33:26):
I'm like, why is Rachel going after Serena? Right, because
it's to get Blair. Yeah, to get Blair. Because Serena
what stood by Rachel and told her about Gossip Girl,
told her not to worry about it, gave her heads up,
and has been very kind and welcoming to her. And
here she is throwing that out there, right, It's like

(33:48):
she wants to take them all down. Um, and so
it is it is heartbreaking that she goes after Yeah,
also questioned, Serena is upset. It's the gossip girld blast
is about like the press release, right, That's what it's saying,
which is which is like a harsh thing, like of course,
like no one wants to be like I'm I'm going

(34:09):
here because of this, not because of how smart I
am or how much hard work I've put in. But
do you think there's truth in that? Is she getting
accepted to yell really because of how smart she is
and how much hard work she she's put in or
is she going because of she's you know, what do
you think? Because I think there's a little bit of
truth in that I'm not saying Serena isn't smart. I'm

(34:29):
not saying she didn't put hard work, hard working, but well,
especially knowing that Serena, at least her freshman year of
high school that we know of, got into a lot
of trouble. It's like, it's not that grades were her priorities.
So she wasn't a particularly good student, and she goes
away to boarding school and she turns things around by
the time she comes back. But I would be willing
to bet that Blair has a significantly stronger transcript than

(34:53):
Serena has. Yeah, I agree, and definitely mally Yuki No, Yeah,
I think it's kind of all true, right, she can
be smart and ready to go and be a great
student now. And also they like the idea that she's
Serena totally. There's also like another quote from Blair later on,

(35:16):
she's when she's she's nell Yuki, She's like, moved out
of my way so I can make the fat ladies
sing I was dying. Oh my goodness. Okay, so we're
getting to a moment in the show where I have
lots of questions for you. Sex in the costume closet.
So not only do you and Dan take it so

(35:36):
far as to like we shouldn't be doing this, or
we might be in trouble, or people assume this. You
just are going to get down and dirty in the
costume closet with so many people around, any moment, anyone
could walk in, whether it's a parent, a teacher, a student,
Dan's dad, like Dan's sister. I'm like, you guys are
just going for it. Can you tell us a little

(35:57):
bit about how how that was filming me? Because it
looked super crowded, like so many costumes and seats and
lights and curtains, and you guys may not look good.
I just always know, and scenes that are like sexual
like that, there's always so much technical stuff. I was
filming that well. I so, I'm a We've discussed in

(36:19):
the last episode. I have a dance background. So whenever
I have to do a scene like that, any sort
of sex scene, making out scene, whatever, I find if
you kind of choreograph it, then you kind of know.
You know, it's easier, And you do have to do
that with the camera anyway, because they have to get
a certain angles. And I think if you're like I'm
comfortable if you go here or not here, right, and
then you and you block it out, then you just

(36:41):
it becomes like doing any other blocking in a scene
a dance. Yeah, So it was a tight space. And
Norman showed us the carriage scene from the movie where
Michelle Peiffer and Daniel day Lewis and they're in in
the carriage and unbuttons for glove and he was like,

(37:03):
I want to mirror that in this scene, and that's
why I had the bracelet. And so we watched that
and then discussed kind of our version of that. And look,
pen is such a great guy. He was so nice.
I really I enjoyed working on this show so much.
I teared up when I rapped because everyone was so nice,

(37:24):
so welcoming, so fun. It just was fun to do
this show. And uh, that's that's that. Yeah. I mean, Tyler,
you not being an actor watching a scene like that,
I guess you don't if you don't know, you don't
you don't know what goes into it. No, yeah, I
mean you know, I'm I'm familiar slightly. Yeah, And I

(37:45):
didn't mean that in a way that you don't know.
I'm just meaning like I mean, I don't. I've never
filmed one. It's an interesting kind of like jam. So
I always like I bought into it. I mean I
bought into Dan and Rachel having this chemistry. I mean
in all he does to start off in the cluses,
but he like kiss kisses her risk which is that scene.
I think Laura was just referencing and it's so intense.

(38:08):
It's like, oh my god, this is a lot and
all he's doing is kissing her risks. So I feel
like it would be one of the more uncomfortable things
that you can film depending but yeah, it's such a
good scene. So it is did you feel, like Laura,
like the intensity of you're just in the moment with
Dan or did you like prepare yourself of like, oh

(38:31):
my god, this is also kind of hot because someone
could walk in. Because the fact that you guys decided
to just like go for it there when you guys
are all eyes on you outside of this is like
so wild to me. It's a it's a big risk. Yeah,
I think that's definitely in the scene, right or in
my prep for the scene was how public it could?

(38:52):
It was in a way you know it was in
it's in a private area, but also just how much
Rachel now she is a teacher again, she's working there,
she is there at the school. It's at the theater,
but it's a school venue at that moment, in the
capacity of a teacher. And she's now in the costume

(39:14):
closet with a student in the play. Right, There's there's
a lot of extra layers there of this is a
whole other level of scandalous. So I think all of that, Yeah,
it builds into the scene because I think the scene
that it's kind of mirroring from the movie is a
scene where they know they're not supposed to be together, right,

(39:34):
I mean the movie is that. And she's saying no, no, no, no,
but okay, no, no, no, okay, I'll go in the closet. No, okay,
I'll sure you can take my hand, Okay, okay, I'll
take my spot. Right. It's like she keeps saying okay,
all right. Um, So we I remember talking about that

(39:58):
moment of they don't want to but they want to
write and that tension, um, right, which I feel is
also always happening to Dan. He's like, it's always we're
going to be together, We're not We're going to try this. Nope,
We're going to just be I'm like, okay, didn't you
feel like that was like the same thing kind of Tyler,

(40:18):
Not same, but like the same conversation. Yeah, I mean Dan,
Dan cannever figure it out romantically, like like where did
he think this was going to go? I mean, I
know he's eighteen, but what was he going to start
dating this car public? Like what Rachelah, Yeah, I don't know.
When they first go in the closet there technically going
in there to talk about the fact that she got

(40:40):
caught by Rufus and so that also I remember that
now it was like, no, our intention for going in
the closet is that, But it leads to I mean,
what else are costume closets for? You know? They just man,
oh my goodness, well that was quite a scene. And
I was just like, I thought someone was going to

(41:02):
walk in. I thought for sure someone was walking in,
Like can you imagine if it was Blair? Right? I
freaking knew it. Okay, So the next couple of things

(41:24):
that are going on, L leaves alone. So at the penthouse,
Chuck gets a text and he arrives at the hotel
and sees l there who says the club just wanted
her to sign an agreement and leave town. She says
she's making her own plan alone and that she just
needed money. Chuck says she used him. She tells him
to give his good heart to someone who cares when

(41:47):
she tells him that, it's like a loaded comment for sure.
But I didn't think he was going to go to Blair's,
did you, Guys? No? But I mean I do think.
I think the l storyline helps serve as a bridge
between the drama that was happening with Chuck after his
dad died and kind of bringing him back into the

(42:09):
fold and bringing him back to Blair. So it's good
to have L be the messenger here of you have
kind of lost your way. You do have somebody who
you actually really care about, who's not this girl that
you met at some weird sex party one time. Like,
you know, it's a good it's a good reminder for

(42:29):
Chuck that he has this real life going on that
maybe he should start paying attention to. Yeah, like he's
not in the movie Eyes Wide Shut with right. Right.
I also thought this storyline allowed him, especially in this episode,
to show his caring side. Right he is trying to
do what he thinks is the right thing for l
and almost he knows his dad was a part of

(42:51):
this thing, and he's like, how do I help fix this?
I need to clean this up a little bit. I
need to help her, And it allows him to try
to be doing the right thing by her, which is
a nice chuck moment. I think, Yeah, it's good to
let him show that side, because otherwise sometimes it gets
really hard to root for a chuck. So yeah, and

(43:14):
it's like what you're saying, that's why they do a
good job with it though, because then you do see
this and you're like, oh, kind of like you like
root for him. You are like, oh, but that's the
Chuck that I love right there, right yeah? Um. And
then as act two ends in the play, Julian gives
actors a pep talk. He's like very concerned that they're

(43:36):
like doing their best because there's an amazing critic in
the audience, and Vanessa sees Nate and asked why he
didn't pick her up before the show. Julian comes over
and gives Nate notes and he's being quite rude. Don't
you thank you? Guys? Yes? Yeah, I'm like don't. Why
are you talking to Nate like that? And he's telling
him that he doesn't understand public humiliation, and I'm just

(43:58):
everything he's saying, I'm like, wow, this is like hitting
right on the nose. Obviously with what's going on, it's
like mirroring what Nate just went through. Um, Nate blows
Vanessa off to go backstage, and you know, we're seeing
this side of Julian where the selfish, selfish part is
coming out and they go on they're doing the play

(44:18):
and this is this is hilarious. We talked about this earlier.
But the Blair and Dan in the carriage and Blair's
like elbowing them and so good. It pins him down
at one point that looks like they're fake making out
or whatever, when she's just trying to corner him into
admitting that he's the one that sent in the tips
to Gossip All. Yeah, just the timing of that scene

(44:39):
because they were doing the play lines and then their
internal Blair Dan lines and they had the timing was
they were so good at it because they had their
public thing and then their little thing to each other
and then they're putting it played so well. Yeah, it looked.
It looked amazing. It just even the angles and stuff
when they come in really tight, when you just felt

(45:00):
like when you were watching, like you were a part
of their like private little conversation, and then you were
back with the audience. It was just done very well.
It was flowing, and you might be the most honest
woman I've ever met. The line read Blair from Dan
was met with just a bunch of like laughs from
in the audience, which is hilarious because he knows, he
gets Blair. He knows what she's about, what she's trying

(45:23):
to do. So when he when that happened, I thought
that was hilarious. How long do you remember how long
it took to film that? Because that I feel like
that was a lot of setups that looked like there's
a lot I remember it being a lot of setups
and a lot of Um. We actually filmed in a theater,
so it was on a stage, so they had the
stage lighting but also set lighting. Right, it's like two

(45:45):
different things. They shot it quickly each take. Um, but yeah,
there's there's there were quite a few setups an audience.
Whenever you have the audience right, you then have to
get all the audience reactions and then punch into each
audience member that they in a closeup of I knew
you were in the theater and we didn't have any
scenes together, but we were there for a few days.

(46:05):
I think I have a memory of a few days. Yeah,
we were. But it was like such a fun location
and I and fun episode I thought, just because yeah,
well one, you were in it, and yeah, and I
also just I always had so much fun working with Chase.
We just like laughed a lot and obviously, like Nate Vanessa,

(46:27):
you wouldn't put them together, but there was some sort
of cool chemistry on screen. I feel like, so, I
don't know, Yeah, it's always fun when you have everyone together.
There was a lot of us all together there for sure. Yeah.
I was watching. I'm like, wait, that's fun because it
was like we were all there all day together. Although
sometimes on those days when you're like have one line

(46:47):
and you have to enter at the end of the scene,
those days can end up being super long because you're
like I've literally said one word and I'm walking in
at the end of this. I mean, it's all part
of it, and that's it is what it is. But
there's so many setups to get every anyone else and
you just like keep walking in to say your one
line and then leaving for five minutes while they shoot
the rest of the scene. Exactly. Oh man, um, Well,

(47:10):
speaking of this, the play just like goes off the rails.
Nate comes on stage for his scene and he sees
Vanessa sitting next to Julian smiling, and like just when
he like takes off the hat and starts just going off,
I'm like, okay, Nate, because you never really I don't.
I feel like that mate never gets to do that. No,
And like he also looks super handsome that hat and

(47:32):
that like the whole like look was like a look, Yeah,
like I liked it. Um. Nate has a completely different
thing in his mind of what's going on, Like he
thinks that there's like a connection with Julian and Vanessa,
when Vanessa really is like not vibing him at all.
She's really just trying to help Serena out. And it's
like what you said, Tyler, Like she's trying to wrap

(47:54):
her head around what is Serena seeing this? Dude. So
the fact that Nate as this whole thing, it's just
something to be said because I remember in high school,
sometimes you you know, you're you overthink things, so sometimes
it's just like just asked, like, hey, what's going on?
I heard? It's like, God forbid anybody just asked straight
up because like me, overhears Vanessa feeding these lines to

(48:18):
Serena about Julian and just assumes that she's into Julian
instead of just going, hey, that was weird. What was that? Right?
And and here? And to be fair, like what he heard,
it did seem weird and odd and strange, like why
is Vanessa talking to Julian like that? But it's also
odd and strange and weird that Serena has to be
like fed line so that this guy can like her

(48:38):
likely Also, Serena, you're amazing and funny and charming. Just
be you, and I'm pretty sure you're going to be fine.
I'm pretty sure this guy would probably even go straight
for you, so you're good. But it hits that they're insecurities, right.
It's like Mate is very insecure that Vanessa seems more
well read than him, right, more sophisticated, and Serena's having

(49:00):
the same insecurity around Julian, and they're both second guessing themselves,
and I think that's why, going back to the Gossip
Girl blast, it hits her so hard. She's feeling that
she doesn't actually belong at Yale, maybe right, And so
he's highlighting for them all their insecurities around that instead

(49:21):
of them saying no, no, no, but I have you know,
I don't need that to be amazing. I'm amazing on
my own. Vanessa loves me for me, but it's it's
highlighting that for them. So they're having a hard time
with that. Yeah, I mean you're and you're hitting it
right on the nose. Backstage in the dressing room, Nate
tells Vanessa he knows that she likes Julian, and she
clears up the misunderstanding, but Nate says that doesn't change

(49:44):
that that they that they have nothing in common. He's like,
I like ESPN and you like books and movies, and
Vanessa straight up tells him, well, if you wouldn't be
so insecure and put more effort in, So it's you
just hit it right on the nose. And then she
shows up later with snacks to watch ES and he's
watching the Age of Innocence, which is so cute. I
love that moment um. Okay, wait, and then let's talk

(50:07):
about when Dan confronts Rachel after the show. Dan grabs
Rachel and he tells her that he knows she's the
one trying to destroy Blair and she says Blair deserved
deserved it, and he says, what does he say to you? Oh?
He says, um, you know what it's like to crush
someone's idealism, because you've just crushed mine or something, and

(50:30):
that's really devastating. It was. I'm like, oh, and he
says something along the lines of two like, but you
shouldn't kind of know better, like you're the adult exactly.
He's like, you, you are the adult. What are you doing? Yeah?
Oh my gosh. But so in the beginning of this episode, again,
like I was telling you guys, I didn't know who
this was going to be. Like at one point, I'm like,

(50:52):
maybe it is one of the minions taking Blair down.
It sure enough was you. And I do feel like
when we did your first episode, Rachel on the podcast,
you said, wait till you see where she goes. I
like just did not. I did not see you sleeping
with Dan. I did not see you putting Serena and
Blair on blasts. Um, so yeah, I think your character's
storyline took a full on like turn. But I feel

(51:14):
like that had to be like a fun arc to
play because you kind of like got to dig in
with everyone in a pretty like gnarly way. It was fun.
I mean, just as I said earlier, the whole experience
was fun because I find I mean, the wardrobe, the sets,
everyone who works on the show. There was just such
a nice energy all around the show. Um just fun, right,

(51:37):
And I think Rachel comes in and just burns so
much down right. She is the reason Blair doesn't go
to Yale. She gets in the middle of Serena and Dan.
She's feeding things to gossip Girl. At one point in
the second episode, they're trying to ban gossip Girl. Maybe
right there, like you've gone too far with gossip Girl.

(51:58):
She's just kinda a lot is getting taken down with her,
and it was a fun character to play. She's not
without her like, right, And when I got the job,
I didn't see it going that way. I was like, Oh,
she's like the friend and the friendly teacher and she's
gonna you know, they want to show a teacher at

(52:19):
the school I did not see it going there. And
when I when I got this script and I realized
she was feeding gossip Girl tips, I was like, oh, oh,
she's like really just has done a one eight. It's
interesting though, because she does justify it, right. She is
willing to justify this horrible behavior and say it's okay.

(52:42):
Even at the end until literally until Dan says you
just crushed me, she's still justifying it. And then when
Blair comes over, she finally says, I got nothing for you.
I don't know what I've become. I gotta get out.
But it takes Dan putting her in her place for
her to realize just where she's gone, I think, right,

(53:02):
Which is interesting to me because at this point you
have slept with them, So like if you didn't, then
be fine, like justify putting the blast out in this
and that and whatever. But at this point, like you
slept with them. But again, here's the pocket where it
was like and I'm not saying it's appropriate, so let
me just like start with that. But it's like you

(53:25):
said earlier, you stup with them in the pocket where
you weren't the teacher. So it doesn't make it okay,
but it makes you be like, wait, okay, but then
in this episode, right like maybe there was a gray
area the episode before after she had been fired, and
I say gray area because, as we said earlier, may

(53:46):
be legal not right, um, but then here it is
totally inappropriate. She's now a teacher, and so by this
episode she's just you know, she's like slowly going down
and she is in it now just behaving very badly.
You know. It's like at this point she's their teacher

(54:07):
feeding gossip Girl tippets on them, and she is sleeping
with her student in a school environment. It's just all
wrong at this point. And but she is in this
world where she's justifying this behavior to herself and thinking
it's appropriate in some way. And then it takes the
eighteen year old to tell her no, no, no, no,

(54:29):
this was like that's not right. So she she really
does just fall very far from when she came in.
I mean, it's almost not like two different characters, but
it's just so far the other way when you meet
this like charming, wonderful teacher who's trying to help Serena.
So they had so many layers in the beginning of

(54:50):
us rooting for you and liking you and thinking you're
you know, this amazing person. I'm just saying it went
it was a total one eight. Yeah, Laura, I'm really interested.
Have you have you watched the reboot the new series
at all? I haven't yet, but I have heard it.
Isn't it sure like spoiler isn't she she is Gossip
Girl or she was going to say. It's really interesting

(55:11):
to me thinking of free watching it and thinking about
this because I feel like your Rachel really kind of
is the blueprint for the new ones now on Gossip Girl. Yeah,
because this is Rachel's really the only time we see
the teacher side on the original series, right, I've never
really see any teachers at Constants. We never see them
in class. I mean they made a point of never

(55:33):
showing them in class. And in the new series, the
teachers are just as much a part of the storyline
as the kids are. And it's really interesting because I'm
now that I'm really thinking about this and thinking about Rachel.
I feel like Rachel's kind of the blueprint for how
these teachers behave. Yeah, someone told me that it's the
teachers now. It's interesting. That is really interesting. It is

(55:55):
because until you said that I didn't. It didn't even
dawn at me. I'm like, oh, yeah, you could, just
because there's so many scenes at the school, I think
you just subconsciously put that in there. But then when
you really break it down, we haven't really other than
the mistress. But that's not a teacher that's like a
very specific situations why they're in her office or why
she's talking to the parents or you know what I mean.

(56:15):
So I didn't even dawnat mean until you said that today.
But Rachel's kind of the blueprint for how this world
affects these adults around them too. I think it's really
interesting to consider Laura's storyline here with what they've been
doing with teachers on the new series, Yeah, Wil because
in the reboot they have teachers sleeping with students, and

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like the teacher one of the teachers is gossip girl,
And it's like, it's super interesting to consider because like,
Laura's character is the only time you really see never
it's I was going to say, maybe they should figure
out how to get miss car back, right she comes
back from Yeah, She's like, oh you are gossip Girl.

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Now that's how it goes. I find it interesting that
it's the teacher. That's a really I thought, so, yeah,
and that does the teacher know from the beginning who
Gossip Girls. Yeah, it's um, Tommy Gevinson's character, So it's
she's um, I mean, honestly, probably like Rachel's same age.
I think the idea is that she's also like a
a younger teacher. But it is an interesting concept and

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I think it was smart of them too to reveal
who Gossip Rol was from the get go, because otherwise
she'd be trying to figure out I'm gonna get damned again,
you know right? Yeah. Yeah, It's like in the first
episode when Blair kind of comes for her, she's like,
I'm gonna do I'm gonna teach her a lesson, but
she does it through the headmistress, and it's, you know,

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it's it's done in a through the school, and I
think in a teacher student way. And by this point
she's just yeah, she's she's with the students, acting like
they are and works and worse because she's an adult
and she should know better, right, she should know better.
She's you know, it's and and that's even though the

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show sometimes depicts or often depicts high schoolers in adult settings.
You know, Blair having a drink at the bar. At
the end, they are still high, right and she is not.
So there's there's that. Speaking of Blair, Dan finds Serena
to tell her that Blair didn't send out the blast
about Yale that Rachel did. Serena catches up with Blair

(58:24):
to apologize for not believing her, and Blair says she
knows she's not a good person and that Yale kicking
her out it's the karma that she's earned. And she says,
why would you believe me? Nine times out of ten,
I would have sent the blast, like you said, betrayals
in my nature. She's she's sitting at the bar having
a drink like you said, Laura, and her world's kind

(58:47):
of crushing down too. She's not getting into Yale. Now
what what has all happened? And all these people coming
at her, they're coming at her for something, she she said,
So it's it's just so funny how this whole thing
is just like keeps turning. Yeah, I mean, it's just
it's kind of this house of cards that Blair has
built around herself falling down and her really losing control

(59:10):
over the way her like, the whole her whole thing
has been maintaining control of how her world works, and
that's just all collapsing. It's collapsing. Yeah, yeah, this is
her low moment, right, her moment when she realizes she
doesn't have control over it. Right. I really feel for
her those And then I think she Chuck goes to

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see Blair, but she's not home, so instead she's sitting
at a hotel bar where Carter Basin shows up. Of course,
Hello beautiful Carter, what are you doing here? Buying you
a drink? He says, and he puts his hand on
her knee, and the episode ends. I'm like, what at

(59:54):
so smooth? Oh my god? Chuck is at her home waiting,
you know, like wanting to see her. She's a He's like,
I'll wait for her. And that's like a moment where
I'm like, oh gosh, now I'm worried, Like, Carter, what
are you gonna do? Now? You know what I mean?
And the last person you want to show up when
you're having a low moment is Carter Basin or maybe
the first. I don't know, Yeah, I who knows. Man, Laura,

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do you want to read the gossip rope closing quote.
Oh sure. In life as an art, some endings are
bitter sweet, especially when it comes to love. Sometimes fate
throws two lovers together, only to rip them apart. Sometimes
the hero finally makes the right choice, but the timing
is all wrong. And as they say, timing is everything.

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Looks like this story might just have a second act.
Let's hope it's not a tragedy. XO xosip brilliant. That
was so good. Fun. Isn't that so fun? That's so fun? Yeah?
You did great? Yeah this I thought it was a
really fun filled, shocking, jaw dropping crazy episode. Again. Also,

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I wanted to ask you, Tyler, if you know you
know the black dress that Blair is wearing. Yes, do
you know who I loved that? Look I do. It's
Marquesa Okay, oh it is. I love Marqusa. It's just
like really beautiful Marquis account. Yeah, I love it. Rachel
was always wearing because she's a teacher, you know, like
Banana Republic or nice clothes, but not Marquesa. And I

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would sit there with Layton it would just be like,
can I just let me touch the dress? Can I
see it? And that I love that dress so much.
That costume closet was amazing. It just always right, it
was Tyler. Were you ever in it in the costume closet? No,
I wish that that would have been my dream. Honestly,
you would have loved it, loved it. I remember when

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I went from my fitting walking in and just having
a moment of like, oh, right, there's really amazing fashion
on this show. And they were just like Lubatan, just
thrown about the floor and like Chanelle pursues just on
like racks going up high and it's just it. I
also just like that. I remember that this is a
school play and her costume is Marquisa Qua. Right, yeah

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it was a budget Are we working with your good dress? Yeah?
It was amazing. I also like Serena like the was
it feathers? Yeah, that's also it's also Marquis, but I
think they're from the same collection technically. Yeah. And I
like what Blair wears at the end, the bow tiger
with a sequence skirt and that is also black and

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white and kind of matches which she was wearing in
the show. They did a really good job with that.
But yeah, I just kept looking at the dress and
I'm like love that. Well. Thank you both for coming
on because we could go on and on about this
episode and what happens Laura and Tyler. Okay, this was

(01:02:58):
a good, good time. Thank you so much for joining
me and Laura. It was just an honor to revisit
your last Gossip Roal moments together. You made such a
mark on this show and people will always remember Miss Car.
Well done, lady, well well done, and listeners will be

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jumping into season two, episode nineteen next week. There might
not be any more Miss Car on the show, but
don't worry. There are still plenty of characters disturbup the trouble.
Which will it be? That's a secret I'll never tell
until next week. Looking forward to it. X O XO

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is produced by Propagate Content and Met Jessica's Or. Our
show is executive produced by Langley. Our producers are Diego
Tapia christ and Vermilia, Emily Car and Hannah Harris. Original
music by Moxie and Lune, and the episode was mixed
by seth ol Landsky.