S2E20 The Remains of J with Tamara Feldman

Jessica is joined by Tamara Feldman, who played the infamous Poppy Lifton to recap today’s episode, The Remains of J. They discuss how magic helps Tamara book jobs, the weirdest part about filming a big party scene, and the Chuck & Vanessa scene that made fans go undone.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Tamras Feldman and I played Poppy Lifted on
Gossip Pearl. We are rewatching Remains of the J. Welcome
back listeners to your one and only source into all

(00:20):
things gossip Crul. You know you'll love it. XO x
O Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of XO
XO with me Jessica's Door. Today we're diving right into
the rewatch for season two, episode twenty, the Remains of J.
I just I really can't believe that we're this far

(00:43):
into season two and like how much stuff is going
on and happening, But I do. I have to say
I really enjoyed this episode. There's a lot of messy storylines,
a lot of things going on, especially involving Vanessa, Nate
dump Sir and what does she do? Oh, she just
decides to rebound, which chuck Bass of course. And then
we have s who has her moments too, selfishly throwing

(01:05):
a crazy party for J and trying to impress the
iconic Poppy Lifton, who will be joining me today for
the rewatch. I'm so excited to chat with the lovely,
beautiful and talented Tama Fellman. I mean, her character has
so many surprises that pop up all over I can't
wait to get into all of that with her. We'll

(01:27):
talk about her insane casting story to Poppy and Serena's
so called friendship, and I don't want to keep you
waiting the remains of Jay. Everybody Tamara, Hi, Oh my god,

(01:55):
what is up girl? I'm so happy to talk to you.
I know. I also like when I got the voice
note that You're like, yeah, I'm just gonna be in
Costa Rica scuba diving. I'm like, oh, yeah, no big deal,
just like you know, on a normal Tuesday, That's just
where I'll be in what I'm doing. And I'm like,
that's so rad and amazing, Like, how was it? It

(02:15):
was amazing. I actually we got this private kind of
tour situation because of this company that my friend works
out and he lives down there, and we got to
go to the top of a hundred and fifty foot
tall tree on ropes and pulleys with these tree scientists
and I was over the canopy of the rainforest. I
was terrified. I couldn't breathe. Okay, that is like the

(02:38):
most epic, beautiful, amazing thing I've heard in the last
and I don't know six months. Oh, it was amazing.
And they hung a canopy or they hung a like
a hammock up there because they knew I was going
to freak out. So we were in the top of
the branches, and then I was so scared, and so
they were like just laying the hammock for a second.
So like laying in a hammock at the top of
the rainforest rainforce. I mean, okay, that's like actually a

(03:01):
dream come true for for life. Yeah, it's a bucket listening.
And then I also met an indigenous grandma down there
who took me and let me touch these sacred stones.
They're super ancient. No one knows how they were made.
They're huge spheres, they're perfectly round. And I got to
meditate with her and she was singing and chanting and
I there was so much energy and I feel like
she's my grandma now. So it was really special. And

(03:23):
that was just like a random meeting. Well, UM, the
company that my friend works for invests in UM some
local projects and this was an archaeological site and so
she met us there too because it's her tribes lineage
and she's the medicine woman of the tribe, so she
wanted to let us know what was going on, and
they want they haven't done this one ceremony for I

(03:44):
think a hundred years or more because they haven't been
able to build this ancient hut thing that they used
to have, and so they were trying to raise money
to get it, and so we went and looked at it,
and so she let us experience everything with the tribes
so that you know, maybe they could help her, and
I think they are helping her. So they're going to
build this hut in like September and then they get
to have this ceremony for the whole tribe that they
haven't been able to do in over a hundred years.

(04:06):
So it's really beautiful. Oh my god, it's that's an
amazing I feel like we need to have like another
episode just about your life and and that the meditating
and hanging over the rainforest, that's amazing. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
I definitely get blessed with some really amazing experiences that
will hold on to you forever. So well, I'm not

(04:27):
surprised by that because I remember meeting you in New
York and you just always like big smile, really like
care when you're talking to people, and I think maybe
in l A you can really kind of feel when
someone's just kind of surfacely asking you how you're doing
or what's been up. So when you really do meet
the people that are like looking at you and genuinely care,

(04:48):
it fits you in a different way. So when you
say you're blessed with meeting cool people and cool experiences,
I'm not shocked by that because of the energy and
vibe that you give out. Thank you, and that you
also brought to the show. By the way, you couldn't
be more different. Let me introduce her, Tamara Feldman. Everyone
that played Poppy Lift in but you couldn't be more

(05:08):
opposite of her, right, It's like the you know, you're
like meditating and she's like trying to steal people's money
at some point. So yeah, exactly exactly. But thank you
so much for saying that. That's so seat. How was
your how did you find out about the show? How
was your audition? Tell us your experience with coming on

(05:31):
and and all that. Okay, Well, starting at the audition process,
I had auditioned for the o C and I believe
Stephanie Savage was also doing that. Yep, and so and I.
When I auditioned for the o C, I did something crazy,
like I crawled across the table or like I think

(05:51):
I rode a chair like a horse, like I did
some wild something. And so then they called me. They're like,
you know, I didn't get the oth you think that.
She was like, we gotta call her in for this
other thing. You stood out, you made, you definitely made
a memory. Yeah, I was so wild. I said, it
was so fun um And so they called And this
is also another weird story. You're gonna think I'm crazy.

(06:13):
Everyone's gonna think I'm crazy, but I'm not. I had
talked to the psychic lady and she was like, you
need to go to New York. And I was like,
I have no reason to go there. I don't know
anyone there. And she's like, just buy your ticket in
the next two weeks and just figure it out. She's like,
just go. So I was like, okay, fine, And at
that time did I did, And I called girl. I

(06:33):
was talking to some friends and and I was like,
the psychic said that I gotta do it. I don't
know what I'm doing, and they were like, my sister
lives there, She'll let you stay at her house and
so I was like, okay, So I did it, and
then I got the call um for Gossip Girl. But
they were like, you know, they really like you and
they remember you from the o C audition. But the
thing is is you've got to be in New York
and it's in like a day and it's just not

(06:53):
going to happen. But we wanted you to know. And
I was like, no, I'm in New York. I'm here,
I'm here, I'm here. And so I got called did
and I got I was there for supposed to be
there for a week, and I stayed for like four
months because I got the job. And then I got
a little apartment for while I was there from the
show and I stayed amazing. It was amazing. Wow, And

(07:13):
that was just like everything just working out and meant
to be and happening and wow, amazing. And had you
known anyone on the show before? No, I didn't know anybody.
And I met everybody when I was there, and then
everyone was super nice and we all started hanging out.
And then during that time, I have two more funny
stories about that time. First of all, they both in

(07:36):
all Aaron because he was on Breaking Bad and there
was a role. Yeah, and so there was a role
for his girlfriends. And I was in New York doing
Gossip Girl and he's like, fly here for the weekend
and we got to get you this role. And I
was like okay, So I flew to Albuquerque. He literally

(07:56):
picked me up and threw me on the lap of
one of the producers are Breaking Bad and was like,
you have to hire her, you know, you gotta get
rid of this job. And but I was working on
gossip Girl anyway, and and then Kristin Ritter got it,
which she was amazing, So I was I was just
going to say, was it that role? Because I could
see I could have seen you too, But yeah, she's
she's great. Yeah she was really great. But I was

(08:17):
super boummed. But I mean I was happy where I was.
It was just like we were trying so hard and
it was really funny, and then we did um. I
thought I was done with Gossip Girl after a few episodes,
and then they had me come back and do more
than I originally thought. And so me and Aaron went
to Hawhite and I let him cut my hair off
because the episode, the episode that you was gonna ask

(08:37):
if that was for another role or what happened, because
you are like full blown pony. It's like teased up
a couple, you know, in the earlier season and then
and then all of a sudden you come back and
it's like short and cheek and it looked so dope.
Oh my god, he Aaron cut my hair and that's god,
Hope Golden. They were like, you're coming back and I
was like, oh no, And I got there and they

(08:59):
were like what did you do? Oh? Is that why
Blake or Serena? And the first thing when she went
and she's like, oh, I love your hair. Did they
write that in because they had to have yes because
they were to go off of yeah, and then afterwards
I think they may make get extensions, but like there
for a second, I had to really sure, so they
had to write it it. So she was like, whoa

(09:19):
your hair your caned? Because I came back fromble I
love that story. Oh my god, that's crazy and awesome.
So anyways, that's how you get poppy. But also like
your career has been amazing, like dirty Sexy money, hold
up girl. I was like very very into that show. Yes,

(09:42):
I love so did I Very Sexybody was so fun.
It was so good. I loved it. Donald Sutherland was
on there. I got to hang out with Crows. I
was on there. I don't know, just a lot of people,
my my boyfriend. The guy who played my boyfriend's death
was amazing. He was so funny. I love that. Yeah,

(10:03):
it was a time. I liked it. Yeah, I think
at that time it was the highest It was the
most expensive show on Paramount Wow on the lot, I
think because it was so you know, the people were
supposed to be so rich in the sets and the
clothes and like all of that stuff. So that was
really really cool. And Billy Baldwin was on there. I
saw that. Yeah, I mean I remember that. And when

(10:23):
I looked this up again, I'm like wait, I like
I have to almost go back and watch it again. Yeah,
it was so good. And I was like trapped in
a car one time during a scene and I started
my period and he went and got me tampons and
I will love him forever. That is so sweet, the
sweetest thing ever. And he was like really like secretive
about He's like, hey, I got what you need, Like okay, thanks,

(10:44):
Oh my god. Because that could be like a nightmare situation,
but that seems like it was handled with like that's nice,
that's very nice, with a lot of grades. I mean,
he left the lot like you're never supposed to leave
the lot, You're not very cool. I think it's so
worried that anything could happen. I'm are you actually worried
about like my safety or that the show can't shoot? Yeah,
I think it's so. I'm just joking. I've talked to

(11:06):
join um oh my gosh. Okay, so let's get into
this episode because I'm like very excited about Poppy. By
the way, like the like watching this episode, the more
I say Poppy, I'm like, that name is like growing
on me in the sense of like I really like it.
Not that I didn't, but I'm like, wow, that's like
a cute, unique name. That and I've never met anyone

(11:28):
name Poppy, but it's like Poppy lifted. Yeah, my friend
just named his daughter Poppy and it was because of
your character. No, but it was really cool. That was
the first time I had heard it. Also, but I
do like it's fun and it fits a socialite, and
so that I got to play a socialite again and

(11:50):
it was, you know, in jury sex of many was
also a socialite, because I'm the farthest from that, Like
you said, what I mean that on the reservation and
doing adventures and kind of roughing it, and so it
was really fun for me to get to wear dresses
and jewelry and act like this other thing and experience
that other kind of life. You know, It's really interesting
to me and super fun. And one in Gossip Girl

(12:11):
we got to do a whole day at the Russian
tea room eating caviar. I was like, this is the
best thing ever. I've made it. I've arrived, you have arrived.
How was it? I actually don't think I've ever had cavo.
I've been around it, I've been offered it, and I
just don't really know if it's something for me. Is it?
Is it good? It's so good. I love it so much,

(12:31):
which does not fit my persona right, It doesn't. It
doesn't really fit mine either, But I just feel like
there's such a hype around it and it's like this
like flashy, amazing thing, and I just even when I've
been around and I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, No,
I mean at the beginning of the day, I was
super excited, and you know when you once you eat it,
you have to keep eating it for all the fakes.
And so by the end of the day, I was
so over caviars. You're like, I've had enough. Oh my gosh.

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So we are gonna break down. Season two, episode twenty
Remains of the j which is based on the movie
The Remains of the Day. So here's where we left off. Nate, Vanessa,
and Dan met the Vanderbilt family, who convinced Nate to
start a career in politics. Serena and Chuck crashed the

(13:16):
Vanderbilt family reunion to try to save Blair from herself,
and Rufus was told that he and Lily's secret son
died in an accident, and Chuck felt the sting of
betrayal when he found Nate's jacket at Blair's house after hours.
So that's all going on, and here is our logline
for this episode. Serena decides to throw Jenny a party

(13:39):
for her sixteenth birthday, but things get way out of
control when the party has turned into a teenage ranger.
In a moment of weakness, Vanessa agrees to help Chuck
with a scheme, having to do with Blair and Nate. Meanwhile,
Rufus learns that Dan will not receive financial aid at
Yale and tries to figure out a way to cover
the cost of his education Asian. Um okay. The fan

(14:02):
question that people want to know is do you think
that Poppy was a true friend to Serena or was
she out for blood the whole time? Um? I think
it was a little bit of both. I think that
Poppy has a little bit of humanity. You know, She's
definitely trying to scam everybody, for sure, but I think
she did kind of like her a little bit too.

(14:24):
But yeah, she was definitely just really trying to get
that money. She's really trying to get that money. Hey,
um okay. So the episode starts off Serena's calling Blair
to check in with her, and Blair's lying and saying
that she's at home with Grohoda. Um. And meanwhile she's
picking up pastries to take over to Nate's. And as

(14:47):
they're walking like on the Upper east Side, Serena hears,
you know, like horns, and she's like, wait, you're at home,
And then Blair like her face of like being so
like nervous or scared that Serena is going to see her.
When she spots Serena across the street and then hides
behind the bushes that are basically not even covering her

(15:08):
was hilarious to other like little round balls and behind.
It was so funny her facial expressions. I gotta tell you,
her and Chuck, like those interactions are so good because
both their faces are so good. It's so funny. Yeah,
and her with Dorona is my favorite. It was really
fun getting to watch this again after so many years

(15:30):
because I was like, it's really good. It is, and
I like, I also just never really watched many of
the episodes. I'm enjoying it a lot. This is why
the podcast has been so fun. Yeah, totally. And I
didn't need to work with everybody. I just worked with
a few people mostly so I would see you guys
kind of like on set and we'd hang out and everything.

(15:51):
But I wasn't in a lot of scenes with everyone.
So it's really fun to watch, like what they're doing
on on the screen. Yeah, and different parts of the
episode totally um, but their dynamic is really really great
to Rota and Layton, and like I always knew how
much Dorota was involved, but watching it, it's like she's
a staple, Like the show doesn't work without her. We

(16:13):
see a whole another side of Blair because of her.
Yeah to mention and humor, and it's really good. It's
so good. Um. And the meanwhile, Vanessa gets an email
who she has not talked to Nate in in a week,
And she gets an email from Nate saying to meet
him at his place in a half hour. And when
she arrives, she looks across the street and she sees

(16:36):
Blair leaving, and Chuck pulls up in his limo and
tells her that he sent the email. He says, Nate's
password has been soccer since the eighth grade, which I
was dying. Um. But I mean, I feel like I'm
feeling bad for Vaness at this point because she shows
up there, she looks across the street and that's like
it was sound very hurtful when you're if you haven't

(16:59):
heard from someone and then you see them with someone else,
especially for Vanessa Blair, because they just are not you know,
they don't see eye to eye on many things in life.
And yeah, and I think Vanessa was really she really
is liking Nate you know right now. And I love
how you played that too, like you're really touching. It's

(17:20):
nice you can the emotion in your eyes and you
have such beautiful eyes anyway, but yeah, it was just
like it was really hurtful in that moment, and I
really liked that. Yeah, thanks girl, I just yeah, I
felt bad for her. And then I'm like, wait, was
Vanessa and Nate's like relationship or dating that short lived?
Because it felt longer to me. But maybe that's just
because those days are so long. On said um. And

(17:45):
then we go to which this is where you start
to come in, which I love. Serena is planning a
party and she runs into her social Lite friend Poppy
lift In, who she invites to the Sweet sixth team party,
and she and Lily want to do this for Jenny.
I really think Serena is trying to do this from
a good place, like she wants Jenny to have a
great birthday, a sweet sixteen, and she wants to do

(18:07):
whatever she can to help, you know, make it great
for her. And this time when she's talking her, Jenny's
basically like, listen, I just want to be with my
really close friends and family and I really kind of
felt for Jenny in that moment too. I love that
she wanted to do that, but I hope it was
really because that's what she wanted to do, not because
she was worried about something or being embarrassed, you know
what I mean. And it did seem like she was

(18:29):
maybe scared that no one would show up or something
like that, or she wasn't cool. And so it started
off where I thought that Blake was doing it really
for her because she did think that she was just
being shy and scared, But then it turned into more
of an ego thing, it did, and then it turned
into a rager. And if I was lily out of

(18:50):
bed livid, but you came in and that was like
it was like chic that for vest or for vest
that you had on your whole look was just like
on point. I liked it, Yeah, I loved it. How
were the fittings and everything with that? For you? The
fittings were so fun because, like I said, it was
all stuff that I had never experienced before. I don't

(19:13):
shop in those places. I didn't have that kind of money,
you know, like I wasn't that stylish, and so it
was very very exciting to get to try on all
the stuff and like choose things that were so far
out of my character, and I just I really loved it,
like all the heels and all the crazy designers, you know,
it was just it was really cool, especially the Missoni store,

(19:33):
and I was just like in awe of everything. Oh
my gosh, yes, in this episode, I remember that, but
I don't my character. I don't think ever filmed there.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, Vanessa would not be there.
She'll just be on the Upper East Side with Nate
Archibald or spying on him and then slowly hooking up
a chuck. I mean, but whatever, Vanessa, I love it,

(19:56):
Like what are you doing? This whole situation with Dan
getting denied the financial aid at Yale was like pulling

(20:16):
at my heart as well, because I'm like, Rufus is
always trying to like do everything and anything for his
kids to have the best life in the best situation.
And when I see him like getting that letter, I'm like,
oh my god, what Rufus gonna do? Like, and then
again he's such a gangster. When really offers for him
to you know, or suggest to move into their penthouse,

(20:39):
I'm like Oh my gosh, he's literally considering doing that,
Like that is like next level amazing nous for your child.
But like, what do you think, aren't you like what
the heck? Oh my god, Blending all the kids together
would be a nightmare probably, And also their vibes are
so different. Also, he's so handsome. Can't we just talk

(21:00):
about how handsome he is? Rufus, Yeah, he's good. I mean,
going back and watching I'm like, Rufus was hot, Bart
Bass is great, that Captain's I mean, like they were
who was Everyone was good looking, you know, everyone is
so beautiful. It's so funny. But and I mean at
the time, I feel like, because they were the parents

(21:20):
and we were playing high school students, I guess you
just didn't look at them in that lens or that light.
But you know, I didn't see that at all, being
well now because yeah, and they're still at that young gage.
So but and you know, his little flannels and going
into the fancy art and the fancy fancy I was like,
no way is that gonna work, you know, because he's

(21:44):
kind of the cool, down to earth and I love
that he tried, and it does make for a really
great relationship and it's very loving, but I'm kind I
was kind of glad it didn't work out. I mean
me too. And I also feel like even when the
kids kind of found out, like when Dan picks up
the phone from the realtor and finds out, he doesn't
know the reasoning behind it. So as a kid, you're thinking, oh,
my dad's gonna sell a lot. Like in Dan's mind,

(22:06):
I feel like he's thinking like, oh, they're like so
many steps ahead of like wanting to be together Lily
and Rufus, not thinking about all the other moving parts,
you know what I'm saying, Like Dan doesn't know that
this is literally the most selfless thing and it's not
about that, Like that's the reason why Rufus doesn't end
up doing it right exactly, And he doesn't know that
he didn't get his money for school. So that was

(22:28):
kind of crushing too because I was like, oh, no,
you know, he's not do it. So that's like very
heartbreaking for someone. Like I'm watching this and I'm like,
Dan works really hard, he's a really smart kid. He
really loves what he does. He's super passionate about it,
and you know, Rufus supports it. So much and then
to like get right to something you've worked so hard

(22:48):
for and then be told like you can't, like it's
another hurdle. You're like, I got into Yale, No I
can't go Like what it's not either it's Yale. It's
like that's life changing. Your whole life is going to
be different from Yale versus something else. And so that
made and higher stakes because it's like, you know, not
only am I not going to go to like college,

(23:10):
but it's right absolutely okay. So then after Nate is
walking in Central Park with Blair, which I wish I
would have had more scenes in Central Park because that's
one of my favorite places winter, summer, spring, or fall
to go in New York City. It's nice to just
like go up to Central Park and chill because it
just feels like you're just not in this cement jungle

(23:32):
for me at least, Did you ever feel that way? Dent?
I went there and would go ice skating by myself
during the winter, and it was winter when we were
shooting um part of my stuff, and so yeah, I
would go ice skate by myself, and I would hang
out there a lot and just walk through and one
of my favorite galleries is called the Nonia Gallery and

(23:53):
it has Egon Chile sketches and like a tough clip paintings,
and it's right on the edge of the park. So
I would walk up the park and go and visit
my friends who are these the paintings? And I would
go all with my friends, and then I would go
back into the park and like walk through again. So
it was a really special place for me. It's beautiful.
I would give anything to shoot in New York again.
I love it. It's my favorite place. It's so fun.

(24:14):
I love the energy, and it looking somewhere gives you
such a different vibe than just hanging out, like it
feels really like you're part of it. It's so great. Absolutely.
I actually have a funny story about Central Park. My
sister Sadie was visiting, not when we were filming, this
was like probably a year or two ago, and we
decided to take like a ride through um Central Park
and it was like kind of like a tour thing,

(24:35):
but it was just her and I. And then he
gets to one place and he's like, have you ever
seen the show Gossip Girl? And he starts to saying like,
right here is where the Archibald family was and here's
where the Waldorf and we were like just looked at
each other and laugh but we thought it was so
funny because we had no idea they were telling us
about like the history of this building and that, and
then he would drop something about sex in the city
or gossip Girl and we were like looking at each

(24:55):
other giggling, that's so great. I love that. I love
that you got to hear the I know, it was
like so random, and we obviously didn't say anything, but
that was me. But he was so sweet. Um okay,
so let's get into where the party starts. Blair tells
Serena about her feelings for Nate, and Serena proves all

(25:17):
this and again like this is what's so funny about
their relationship. Like Blair used to date Nate, Serena took
Nate's virginity. Now Blair's back with Nate and Serena approves
of it. It's actually quite funny because your character says
this to Serena at some point when she's like, yeah,
Dan and I were off again, on again, off again,

(25:38):
on again, Blair and I are you know, talking or
however she says it and you say, oh, your friend
of me, which was a really great way to describe them,
because I feel like they support each other and have
each other's back on such a level in one moment,
and then the next moment they're like doing ship that
you you know, like you wouldn't do to your best friend.
So Catty's so competitive they Oh my goodness, I love

(26:01):
that I said that, And I also in that moment,
I think I also said, oh, so everything's literally exactly
the same, like you're still going in the same circles,
you know, want not doing anything different, like kind of
throwing a little shade at her for going in circles.
Oh my god. That's There's also something funny at the
end of this episode that you say to her, and

(26:22):
I'm like, she's seventeen, maybe eighteen, but she's still like
in high school, Like this is not crazy. Um. But
at this point, Serena is having this party going on.
It's you know, in the middle, there's DJs, there's poppies there,
you know, all the minions are there. Blar and Nat

(26:42):
are there, and Dan and Jenny walk in with chili
and board games and she's like shocked. And I think
that's when I saw like, oh, she really didn't want this. Yeah.
The the the first time I believed it too, because before
I did think she was just scared. Like when she
ice dress and that was in the mostony store, it
did seem like, oh, she did like that dress. She

(27:04):
just wants to be that person but felt shy, so
it felt like she really didn't want it. But You're right,
when she came in, it was like, Oh, she really
did it totally. I mean, and it's like a full
on thing, like when Jonathan says nothing says Jenny hum Free,
like a customized cocktail napkin. I mean that's like, this
is no like, hey, just come over our for a

(27:26):
couple of drinks. This is like a full on ranger.
And Penelope like cancels her whole party because of because
of Poppy. She's like Poppy was going to be there.
I'm mind stand I don't understand how old Poppy is
supposed to be either, what do you think? What do
you think? I don't know, because I'm like, you should
be jetting off and both going to you know, Spain
and Thailand or whatever and being on yachts, and I'm like,

(27:48):
but she is in high school, so why. I don't know.
I guess I'm in my early twenties and I'm just
very mature. Yeah, but I'm also like, you are very mature,
and you are like getting on private jets and going
all over the world, But like, why why are you
at a six sweet sixteen birthday party? Right? Well, it's
for Serena, But why am I so interested in Serena

(28:10):
who's still in high school? That's what I mean. Yeah, Like,
what's going on here? But I guess it's I guess
that's all going to be revealed because it's probably all
part of your plan. I guess it's my plan. It's
my drifting plan. So maybe I didn't really like her. Ever,
maybe I was just out for blood the whole time,
because why am my friends with a high school girl,
especially just because it's not like you're someone who can't

(28:32):
get friend's plan. I'm going back on what I said earlier.
We've hashed it out. I mean, that's what's so funny
about this show, because they get you think in one
way and get all get me all fired up, and
then I'm like, wait, that wasn't even what was going
on exactly. It's so funny. It's hilarious. Um, okay. So
then Vanessa and Chuck arrived at the party and they

(28:54):
seen Nate and Blair across the room together. Um, and
Vanessa panics. And I mean that to me, when you
see an X, even if it was an okay breakup,
which I always feel like, it takes a moment. So
when Vanessa sees that, I mean, and here she is
in a in a world that like, even though I

(29:14):
don't think Vanessa gives a ship with these people think
so much, she's still in a place where like this
isn't her vibe. Like even dating Nate I felt like
was a stretch for her, but then I felt like
she really got to know and see like the soft
side of Nate and really really liked him. But you're
not wanting to see your man with someone else when
you just broke up, you know, yesterday. I mean, that's

(29:37):
a lot yeah, no way, and especially Blair because she
just they don't see, they don't get along. And Vanessa,
I think SE's right through Blair and her schemes and
and her manipulations and all that. So I feel like
that's also like even more of like a dig like
and it's Blair well he was lying and he was lying.

(29:58):
That's the main thing. Yeah, Yeah, that She's like I
could see if he just wants to break up, but
for him saying, you know, lying and saying there was
no one else. Yeah, right, So can we talk about
the kiss? Yes, So she grabbed it just kisses him,
which I find this is like interesting to me. And

(30:21):
and I dated in real life, and it had like
maybe just come out publicly that we dated. So I
were we thought maybe like are they writing this in
because it's in the press, and because it just was
so wild to me that Chucking Vanessa were kissing or
hooking up or any of the things. But it was
it just seems so out of nowhere for for these two,

(30:41):
don't you say at that time, Yeah, we have been
dating for a little bit, because I remember kissing scenes
are you know, they're intimate in this, But there's a
certain way I kiss people on set, especially like when
you're in a relationship offset there's just like there's boundaries
and there's certain things, and I remember we kind of
were like, oh, we don't have to like have any

(31:02):
of that because we're actually dating. Well that's why I
wanted to bring it up, was because watching it last
night and I didn't remember that you were dating at
the time, and I was like, whoa, that was a
real kiss. I want to talk about this chemistry because
that was not a TV or movie kiss. Okay, yeah
you can tell. Yeah, we've we were done, because I

(31:24):
wanted to be like, what was like telling me about
the fireflies or the chemistry, like what happened because there
was some definite fire there. Yeah, the fireworks, as Blair
says the entire episode, do we have fireworks or not? Yeah?
You did? Yeah. And also the whole funny thing when

(31:45):
Blair walks up to Vanessa and Nate and Blair have
their own little conversation going, but Vanessa's right there and
she's like, would you guys like to do this somewhere else?
And Blair like turns and looks at her, and she's like,
why are you still standing here? And like walks away.
That's what was so fun about working with Layton, the
tension between them, and we would literally be sitting on
the couch getting touched up, laughing about anything. We laughed

(32:06):
so much, and then it was so fun to like
turn the switch and not like each other for the camera. Yeah.
So but yeah, it's fun to play Caddie for sure.
I love that. Um how was filming in that the
penthouse and doing the party scene because those are long
days and lots of extras and lots of like when
they do the playback with the music and then everyone
has to go silent, it's just like and you can

(32:27):
hear like the floor creaking and you see people like
mouthing in the background. There's just so much going on
with that many people. Yeah, and you have to act
like you're talking louder because with the music visit would
be under it, but it's not there. And I get
so shy to be the only one in the room
talking to me also to be yelling and be like hey,

(32:47):
you know, and then it really freaks me out when
people are all looking at you and mouthing but not
so those scenes are a nightmare for me. And they're
really long, and it's like, I don't know, I get
a lot of energy from being on set. It's it's
my my favorite place. So I don't complain that much.
Like I really don't even care if I'm there for

(33:09):
twenty hours. I'm just like, yep, I'm working and I'm
in my happy place, and this is where exactly where
I want to be. But it is very funny to
have a hundred people staring at you, like moving their
mouth can what about the fake dancing and there's no beat?
I'm like, oh my god, yeah, but how awkward is
it to have to do the fake dancing too? Oh

(33:32):
my gosh, It's so true. And I get energy from
from people and so you know, and I have. I
one time I worked a twenty four hour day and
we were in like double folds time. It was so crazy.
It was one of those it was not a commercial,
and it was one of those when the set whole
set moves and transforms and they did everything practically. It
wasn't effects, and it was really cool. But it was

(33:54):
super super super long, and I still I was fine,
Like I was still running around. If there's a camera
on me or if there's people and I'm expected to
do something, I can absolutely do it. And then I'll
leave and just collapse and be like whoa, I'm really tired.
But while I'm there, I don't really fade because I
don't know what it is. I'm just like like an
energizer bunny, you know, run around and I like try

(34:18):
to stay really up and then yeah, as soon as
I get out of there, then I collapse and I'm dead.
Oh my god, that's great. That's I love that. Also,
you get a second win at some point, like I know.
Sometimes it will be after lunch. I'm like, oh, we
got another nine hours, and then all of a sudden,
like when I have like three hours left and like whoa.
But that's only if I stay on set. If I

(34:38):
go back to my trailer and lay down, I'm done.
Oh see, I definitely go catch a nap here and there.
But yeah, I I love a little like moment in
my trailer. I know. I always go back and eat
lunch in there and kind of layd down. It always
makes me tired. I'm like, I cannot, I have to
stay out and be out running around. Yeah, keep it moving.

(34:59):
It's speaking of Poppy then is like going to Spain
and wants Serena to go with her. Here's what I
was talking about earlier. She says something like, oh my gosh, Well,
when you're going and you're like tomorrow, which I love,
spur the moment, adventurous, like let's do this me, Jessica,
I'm down for that. Someone's like let's go here, and
I'm like, let's do it. Life short, So I love that,

(35:19):
Like Poppies all about that. But when Serena says, oh,
I might be grounded, and you're like, this girl still
lives with their parents, still in high school, Like yeah,
she might be grounded and not be able to get
on a private plane and go to Spain with someone
who's not in high school anymore, and a guy that
she's never met, Like that's not crazy looks at her

(35:41):
like she has nine eyes. Like I just like roll
my eyes at her and I'm like, oh please, it's
like kids stuff, but she is. Yeah, why do you
think Serena was so quick to go with you? Well,
because I mean, why did she have that party? Because
she wanted to show up everyone. She wants to be
the cool girl. When you're in high school, you always

(36:01):
think that you're more mature than you are and that
it's so cool to hang out with older people. And
how you know, Poppies like the cool socialite chick, So
of course she's gonna want to be seen with her
and go run off Like it's total ego, like social
points totally. I mean, I want to get on a
private plan and go to Spain. Now, I've never been
to Spain. I want to go to Barcelona so badly,

(36:22):
which me too. Yeah, I've never been. Well i've been,
but I've never been to Barcelona and I would love to.
So let's go. Well, let's go to Spain. I love it.
I'm so down and I'm not joking on all right, amazing. Um,
does Serena get permission from Lily to go or does

(36:43):
she just go? No? She just goes, and then she
texts and says, hey, sorry, I'm in Spain, be back,
you know, and Lily's like, what are you talking about?
So she just runs us. So I think she gets
in a lot of trouble. I mean, can you imagine
texting your parents and just being in another tree? Uh
in high school? No? No exactly? Oh my god, Serena.

(37:07):
But they're in that world, aren't they. I mean it's bad,
just a different way of living. They're used to private
jets and stuff. It's not like she was like bought
a ticket and took the bus across and you know,
oh my god, I know. I guess she didn't want
to be told no, so she was going, well, is
that a whole I mean, did she go home and

(37:28):
get her passport? No, she just too go. She just
hopped on the plane. But you know, again they're they're
above all that. They probably just didn't need passports. But
he just don't need a passport. Um, So she decides
to go with you, and then you go and we
meet Gabriel your boyfriend, which is played by Army Hammer,

(37:50):
which I also forgot, and he sees Gabriel sees Serena
and he calls her Savannah because Georgina and Serena used
to have fake names when they when they go out.
So again, here's another jaw dropping moment on the show
where you're like, holy ship, Gabriel knows Savannah, which means
he's hung out with Serena before. But if he met Savannah,

(38:13):
it was at a time when Serena was definitely doing
things she shouldn't have been doing. Yeah, so he was
like one of the dudes in the club or whatever
it was that she was doing. Right. Also, does he
talk like that in real life? Armie Hammer? Well, it's
interesting because he hadn't done anything before. And I was like, oh,
after the episode the credits, I was like I got
billowing above Armie Hammer. I'm so smuckled. I mean he

(38:37):
went on like that was the movie the Social Network
and he played twins, right, yeah, the Winklevoss Twins. Yes,
call me by your Name. I mean, that was so beautiful.
He just put on and he you know, he shot
up there. So that was but that was I think
one of his first things. Yeah, I just forgot that
he was even on the show, which is so funny, like, Jessica,

(38:58):
did you do the show or I know, Well, there
are so many characters that none of us, a lot
of us didn't overlap very much. No, and it just
even though it doesn't feel in one way, it doesn't
feel like it was so long ago, and then in
another way, it's like everyone's done so many things that
it also feels like it's just been so long. So
when I look back to we also, he looks so

(39:20):
much different, you know, yeah, totally well because yeah, it
was such a long time ago. I know. Okay, so

(39:41):
the Humphrey secret is out. Rufus admits to Dan that
he didn't get the financial aid for Yale, but promises
to find a way to make it work. When he
tells Dan that there's something about pen When I watch
him play Dan, that's just so real and organic, Like
it was just like some thing very simple, but like
the shocking moment like wait, you were selling the law

(40:02):
for me? But he just did something so simple. But
it's like I was like, well, I really like felt
it for a moment where it was like wow, I
love that my dad was going to do that. It
was just like a really sweet moment for me. Yeah,
he's really organic, like you said, and Harry, he's such
a good actor and his facial expressions and everything, and
it's very truthful. He's very like his character seems super

(40:23):
honest and kind of naive a little bit, and I
think that's like one of his superpowers is kind of
playing this really open human, you know. Yeah, And and
he's just always seems to try to like always be
doing the right thing. Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah,
he's a good guy who ends up being gossip grow
which also makes him a psychopath. So that makes sense.

(40:47):
Do you know what? I just realized, what do you
watch Britain? I don't, but I need to. It's on
my list. Okay, it's like a period piece gossip Girl
really because there's a there's an anonymous letter writer and
it sends out this newsletter to Okay, it stirs up
the whole social scene and it's kind of like Patton

(41:10):
doing the Gossip Girl. Oh my god, I love that.
I'm gonna get into that. I love that. I've never
heard that description though I didn't I hadn't thought of it,
but now I'm like, it's absolutely appearing piece Gossip Girl,
and I love that. Oh my goodness. Well at this time,
then then Rufus tells Dan that he should open the

(41:31):
letter that he got from a fan, and Dan says,
it's a boy named Scott. So he calls to talk
to the fan, and the parents answer the phone on
the other end, and like watching it on screen, we see,
you know, on the other end of the phone that
it is the parents that Lillian Rufus just met with

(41:51):
in Boston that had said that their son had died,
which would have been the love child of Lily and Rufus,
the child that they adopted. These parents, So we now
see what has been going on for the last I
don't know, five episodes, that the love child is alive
and somehow knows that Dan is his half brother, and

(42:15):
so this is just like a whole another you know,
chapter opening up now because now there's just like another
kid in the Humphrey Serena Bass family. Yeah, I mean
there's a lot of kids going on there, right, It's
so good. And the way the parents were like, he knows,
You're just like, what's going on? Yeah? Okay, So the

(42:38):
new couples, this is insane. The morning after the party,
Blair and de Rhoda are walking to feed the ducks,
and she's first of all when she snatches the bread
from from Deronda. I'm like, Blair, you kill me. And
I just think that's the cutest thing that she likes
to go and feed the ducks. She'll be scheming and

(42:58):
doing all this, but then there's like the side where
she goes and feeds the ducks where it softens your
viewer take on Blair a little bit, which kind of
like lets you feel like some of the ship she
pulls is okay, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
exhumanizes her a little bit and gives her another dimension,
but she also makes Derow to carry the brain takes,
so it's like you're still an asshole exactly. But that's

(43:21):
my poloy so funny. It's ridiculous. Oh my god. And
then she sees Nate standing at the pond, which like
made me so happy, and it's like snowing. And by
the way, I couldn't tell in the scene if it
was real snow or not. I cannot remember at all,
but I can't. I bet it wasn't. Yeah, I'm sure

(43:42):
it wasn't. If that's just yeah, you would have to
go sit in your trailer and wait for you know,
two hours until it was done snowing to do the scene,
so it was definitely fake. You just made a great point.
Thanks girl. You're like, I've done this enough, I know, right,
because that's so funny. If it's actually raining, you go

(44:02):
sit in your trailer, go somewhere where you don't get wet,
you wait for it to stop. Otherwise, if they don't
know what's going to happen with the rain, so they
can't match everything, so you can't shoot one way while
it's raining and hope and cross your fingers that when
you do the turnaround it's raining again, because if it's not,
then you have to go back and reshoot the whole thing.
So I you answered, obviously the question for me was

(44:24):
fake snow, so I think it must have been. Yeah,
but what are you are you like excited to see
Natan Blair together? How what are your feelings on this?
Because when he's waiting there for her and says he
wanted to kiss, everybody wanted to be the right way
or here. Yeah, I was like, it's very sweet. It's
so sweet because they were in a weird, random bedroom

(44:46):
at a party and everyone was I don't know if
they're drinking. I guess not because it's high school, but
maybe right, Yeah, they were also in Chuck's room, which
is ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know, but um, I was
happy that he was so sweet about it and wanted
to be really nice. Oh, I guess. So I think
I was happy about it. I think they're I don't
know if I liked them as a couple. I mean,

(45:07):
I think you're always just so stuck on the Chuck
and Blair of it all. That's what I am. Yeah,
So I think that their vibe is a little bit opposite,
but maybe it works opposites. Who knows. We'll see if
there's fireworks or not in the next couple episodes. Were
there fireworks by the pond and so oh my goodness,
and and then Vanessa wakes up in Chuck's room in

(45:29):
her dress from the night before, makeup, hair, everything like
this girl is definitely like walking of shame in one minute,
like walk a shame moment. And Yeah, I was just
like when this happened, I feel like when this happened
for fans and viewers of the show at the time,
I think people came undone because they just can't see

(45:51):
Vanessa with Chuck, Chuck should be with Blair. They don't
understand what's going on. I remember doing interviews and talk
shows or whatever, and just people were like so upset
about it, and I would be like at times, I'm like,
oh my god, it's a TV show and this is
not real life, and Chuck is not Ed and Vanessa
is not Jessica and Blair is not late in and
everyone just needs to take a beat for a minute.

(46:13):
Yeah exactly. It was like so crazy, But were you
so excited that you got to do that? Though? I
mean it was fun because it's fun. It was fun
working with with Ed because also like his dynamic of
like talking super British and just how he was his
ED two then like this like very structured all American

(46:35):
accent with his like chuck bass swagger. I mean it
was just fun. And then yeah, I mean we were
at the time, we were dating, so to like do
scenes with your boyfriend at the time was super fun
for sure. Yeah, I would be so excited if that happened.
I think it'd be so fun. It's just it was
I just feel like any viewers at the time like that,

(46:55):
Like we were just like not having it. And that
was that was the first time for me with this
show where I'm like, whoa, everyone just it's a TV
show like relax, but I mean we love the passion,
but we love the passion. Yeah, I think the passion
is awesome, and I think that that would be so
fun to have to even talk about it or be

(47:16):
like whoa, like you really care? Yeah, it's interesting. Um,
I mean that's that was like the whole episode, which
I just the fact that the love Child is coming back.
There's always after I watch I'm like, Okay, what was
the most shocking thing for me? And I'm like, I
don't really know if it's that Chuck and Vanessa hooked

(47:37):
up and and I can see where some of the
people would think, you know, like the fans or viewers
or whatever. I would think that because I did too.
I remember reading I'm like, why would they hook up?
But you know, there was part of, you know, Vanessa
needed to do it to like make Nate jealous. So
there was things where I'm like, okay, But then I'm like, wait,
the love child is alive, and now Serena and Dan

(47:59):
are you know, have a sibling they share, which so
to me that was like a big whoa, that's so crazy.
Isn't that wild? It really is an incestuous I mean,
do they use the word incestuous on the show. I
don't know if they do, but it's come up quite
a few times here. Um, well, would you if you
were in their situation without finding out about the love child?

(48:22):
Your Serena and there's Dan and Rufus and your mom
are dating, could you still date dance? I mean, if
they moved in together, that would be real weird. But
it's just too much. Yeah. I don't know, but if
you really liked someone, I probably would say no. I wouldn't.

(48:45):
Then it's like the love of your life and you're like, listen,
well it's not blood. It's not like actual blood, and
it's not like there. I don't know. I would just
push it as far as I could if I rise
really into the person, because I would think it was
super weird and awkward. But I would also be like,
this is kind of fun and hilarious, but no, you're not.

(49:05):
You're amazing and a bright, shining Starns so beautiful and lovely. Um,
it's just no, it's like you have to I have
to ask these questions because there's just so many things
going on in the show like that. I'm like, I
just need to know what you feel, how you think
about it. It was pretty risky. I mean for high
school kids. I mean now like they go so much further,

(49:26):
but it was pretty risky at that time. I mean
at that time for what television was doing. Yeah, it
was definitely I mean so, but yeah, I would definitely,
I mean I would definitely keep dating the dude that
if my dad was or my mom was dating their parents,
I would just keep doing it because if you, like
I was here first, right, you're like listen, my my time.

(49:51):
It would probably end, though, depending on who got more serious.
I mean, if the parents were really together, that would
be pretty uncomfortable. So funny, um would you like to
read the Gossip Girl closing quote? Okay, so just read it. Yeah, okay.
Mistakes we all make them. They usually start with the

(50:13):
best of intentions, like keeping a secret to protect someone
or getting some distance from the person you've become. Sometimes
we don't even know what mistakes we've made to get
us where we are, or we figured out just in
time to make it right again. But every mistake happens
for a reason, to teach you a lesson you would
otherwise never learn, and hopefully you never make that mistake again.

(50:34):
Lucky for me, that never happens. XO x O Gossip Girl.
Oh gossip Girl, you did, you did great. That sounded awesome,
so oh my gosh. I loved having you on. And
I can't wait to see what happens with Gabriel, you
and Serena do you okay? I? Also, you worked on

(50:56):
a Strange Angel. Yes, when we're talking about that? How
was that? And and Walker? Yeah? I just finished with Walker. Yep,
I just did. I did the whole last season. I
was the District Attorney, which was so fun and it
was crazy because I was on Supernatural, which was Jared
Potto Lecky's other show. Other show. Yeah, yeah, so we
got to talk about that also because we worked together

(51:17):
like in the second season I think of of seventeen
seasons of Supernatural. Um, but Strange Angel was so awesome.
It was a true story and it was really Scott
and it was about the guy who invented rocket fuel,
Jack Parsons, and he had this whole double life in

(51:38):
Pasadena and he was a part of this Alistair Crowley
and kind of sex magic cult, which is where al
Ron Hubbard got the idea for scientology. So he ended
up stealing like the method of interviewing people and filming
them and blackmailing them and all that stuff that came
from this cult that we were first. And so if

(51:58):
we got to carry on, it would have showed that
story because l Ron Hubbard had just joined the cult
when we got canceled, and he was he stole the dudes,
He saw Jack Parson's wife, all of his money and
his boat and took off and started the sea org.
Are you mean for real? Yeah, it's absolutely true and
so and my it's insane. So Myane, my character was

(52:21):
the high priestss of this sex magic cult and I
heard that they were going to make the show, and
I called my manager and was just like, please anything
about this, Like, I don't care if it's a one
day role. I really would love to be on this show.
I love it um And so he's like, if I
see anything, of course, you know. And so I did
this crazy magic key thing out in the desert where

(52:44):
you make this symbol up that has to do with
you know what you want, and you put it, you
draw it on a big rock and then you do
all this stuff and you meditate and whatever. And I
just did the stuff that they were doing in the
show to try to increase my chances. And then I
got the High Priest's role. Oh my god, amazing. It
was so insane, and I got to do it for

(53:05):
two seasons. It was wonderful. And where did that? You
in Pasadena? Here in l A and these like crazy
mansions and it's where the story actually took place and
they started the JPL and so he was like working
half the time at NASA and coming back and and
doing the sex magic stuff and so it's very interesting,
very oh my goodness, amazing. It was a great show

(53:26):
and beautiful because you know a period piece when it's
all in the thirties and everything. It's so good. Everything
looks so beautiful, the costumes, the hair, yeah, all the things.
Um do you want to share any thing coming up
that we should be looking out for, any charities or
anything like that. Um. Well, the charity that I support
is called the Race for a Race MS about that,

(53:47):
and I actually did a horse ride to raise money
for them, and I didn't get to finish. So I
tried to ride my horse from Savannah, Georgia to Los
Angeles and I was amazing. Yeah, I was out there
because I got diagnosed with MS. Wait you did. Yeah,
So I got diagnosed about seven years ago, and you know,

(54:07):
and it's hard because they tell you not to tell
anybody because everyone thinks that you're gonna be a lot
of trouble on said, or you're not going to be
able to show up, or they think that you can't
walk or whatever. And so there's not a lot of
people that come out if they're not, you know, really
crippled or really going through stuff. And so I try
to talk about it because I have it and I'm fine,

(54:28):
you know, and it's and I just I've never missed
a day of work, you know, I do my medicine.
I have a mild case and it's okay. So I
wanted to show that people with MS can also still
be adventurers and still be active and still work. You know.
It's not because you know, you get scared that no
one's gonna hire you once you admit. And I don't
know if I've actually lost jobs because of it, you know,
but thankfully Walker went ahead, um and they hired me

(54:51):
even though they knew that I had it, and there
was never an issue, you know, and so so it
should be really fine. So anyway, the Race to Race
MS is it is a really great charity because raise
money for actual research and so all the doctors share
their research together and so they at At the time,
I did my horse ride, which has been a couple
of years, and I ended up having a relapse because
the stress was so bad that I had to stop.

(55:14):
But that was my last relapse and it was six
years ago, so that was really good. So just don't
write a horse across country and then oh my goodness,
but that's also like so courageous and awesome of you
that you're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this. Yeah,
I wanted to show that yeah you can. There are
people with you know, milder versions that you can still
you can still do stuff. So um, the Race to

(55:35):
Race MS anyway has done the funding for I think
like fifteen of the new drugs that are out there,
because for a long time, the medicines were really hard
on you and had a lot of side effects and
they weren't they just were really difficult. They were interferons
and stuff and it would just kind of mess you up.
So they've been working on it and now there's there
was for like thirty years, there was like four medicines

(55:57):
and they sucked, and now there's like twenty. Any Yeah,
a lot of it had to do with the race
for a race in US, so I think that it's
a great charity. I've actually been to the Gala because
Jamie Lynd was being honored there so we all want
to support her and it was such a great event
because they are really wonderful and everyone involved there is
just like beautiful. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and the Galo

(56:18):
is really cool. I got to go one year and
it's so fun and it's such a it's just a
really great because the money that they raised actually goes
to real research with real doctors and they have dinners
together and they share their research, which is why it
was so slow, because no one would share if they failed.
No one would share anything unless it worked, and it
takes a long time. So people were repeating the same
experiments and not telling anyone because it wasn't working. But

(56:39):
if you know the thing doesn't work, you don't have
to spend two years doing it. So she got them
to communicate and then they made a lot of progress. Yeah,
that's amazing. I'm like, yeah, I did not know that, girl,
and I wouldn't. I think it's really great to put
notice on that and let people know, because I don't
think people should have to hide that. It's part of
your journey and your past, and a big part of

(57:01):
it mess is stress, you know, So if you can
keep your stress levels down, then you're you know, you
could be okay and and feeling like you're lying or
hiding something I think is stress. Yeah, it's an internal
stress that I don't think you should have to deal with.
And so my doctor was like, do not tell anyone
that you work with, and I did immediately. I was
very I was like, I have I cannot keep secrets

(57:23):
and then I was like, and I'm gonna try to
ride a horse across the country and tell even more
people because this is you know, it's what's going on.
And I have a big mouth, but I'm glad I
did it, and I love that charity. So yeah, hopefully
we'll keep doing more work. I love that you love
that charity and also like, let me know if I
can help in any way or spreading the word or yeah,

(57:45):
I wish I could give you a big hug right now.
I know I want to give you a hug. Cude
so fun. I'm so happy you reached out. Yeah, I
think like you made such a splash and noise on
the show that people are really excited to like hear
your behind the scenes and just like you're casting experience
and just it's also really is like you said, it
is fun to kind of go back and just watch

(58:05):
an episode or two. There's just so many things that
have gone on. Jail rehab, um, yeah, everything everything. Um. Well,
thanks girl for coming out. And then I'm also planning
a trip with you to Barcelona. I love it. Yeah,
I'm down. I'm super down. Camera. This was this was

(58:29):
such a joy, girl. I loved catching up and hearing
all about your incredible, incredible adventures, and I'm gonna hold
you to our trip to Barcelona. Girl and listeners, I
hope you loved our conversation and of course I'll see
you next week for another great chat. But until then,
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