February 23, 2021 • 44 mins
In this day of looks and pictures and keep up culture the ladies sit down to discuss the concept of quality over quantity when it comes to fast fashion.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to You Down, a production of Shonda Land Audio
and partnership with I Heart Radio. Just like a trifling
little sister, you stole her SLAPSU and are still wearing it.
And you know, admittedly, I think that a lot of
my thrift ng sort of came from stealing Jade's that's
not that's not thrilling from your sister. You are being thrifty. Hey, everybody,
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welcome back to you Down, a podcast where for funny
honeys come together to talk about what's going on in
the culture. I'm Yasin Oker Watkins, I'm Yasman when I Watkins,
I'm Ashley, and I'm Mommy a far Oh. But collectively
(00:58):
we are known as oh other daughter and daughter. Get
that booty on the floor and then come on, give
me some more. That wasn't my spirit today, so I
have to let you let it out. Let you let
it out. Today we are asking are you down with
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fast fashion? Everybody loves a cute new fit, right, but
at what cost? The fashion industry has many problems, like
underpaid labor and environmental impact of disposed clothes being burned
and destroying the ozone. I didn't even know that I
hadn't recently find that out y'all cool? No, that's not cool. Meanwhile,
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brands like Shin Fashion, Nova and even Sorrow Sorry y'all
are stealing high end designs the minute they drop and
selling them at astronomically lower prices. So we have to
ask is fast fashion worth it? But before we do that,
y'all know, we gotta check it with each other. What
y'all love it and what you're I was really inspired
(02:04):
that Black Lives Matter was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
That I was like, whoa, It blew my mind. It
deserves it. I love that that that is a thing.
I feel like we so often talk about giving people
their flowers now, you know, rather than later, And it's
nice to see it in small steps, slowly, you know, happening,
(02:27):
and that the outside world, like, I think it's interesting.
Like here in the US we live in this like
bubble of sorts and like that, other folks are like, oh, ship,
that's that's what you all are going through. They saw
the news. They saw the news. It's crazy the way
that people in other countries see us. Now after this year,
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it's not the same reverence as it was, you know,
what I mean. I feel like I feel like when
I finally got out of the country, I realized it
was never the reverence that I thought. It was, like,
They're like, oh, no, you're stupid and you're overweight, and
I'm gonna get all your money for this task that
you're asking me to do that. But I will say
(03:10):
that there was a lot of allies in other countries
in regards to even after the Floyd Um, you know,
after the marches, really so many countries joined in the marches. Yeah,
I think I mean like it used to be like
America is the best place in the world to live,
and that this year has shifted that narrative. Everyone's like, oh,
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you from the US, don't you dare come over here? Really, like,
is it as bad as it seems on the news?
America does have coodies right now? Yeah. And I have
friends who are like, I'm just like watching all of
this on the news and like, are you okay? When
they stormed at Capital and it was like this people
were blowing it was I'm sure all of us just
(03:53):
like are you in? Are you there? Man? Yes, we
we are here. That's great, that's great. Thanks for pointing
that out. Yet what do you guys live in this week?
Hayton Um, I okay, don't shoot. I really liked the
movie Malcolm and Marie and people are going in on
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it on the internet. Have any of you seen it?
I have not seen the movie, but I heard that
it was trauma porn. That was the review that I
heard of it. Like, I just want to feel black trauma.
I don't even know if I would go there. I
just feel like one. Because it was directed and written
by a white man, it was already not going to
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be received, so people were watching it through a lens
of like judgment in the first place. But like, it
just makes me ask the question, when does black film
get to be artful and get to be deep and
not have to like have a gimmick or you know,
like just this is a story that was told in
one space about this couple. And yeah, we can discuss
(04:58):
what he his mac and cheese have been c a
back and cheese or whatever. Like that's one of the debates.
But it just brings up the question for me, like
what's the balance between wanting more content? And I mean,
Zendia and John David Washington are not struggling by any
means for work, but like, I don't know if that
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makes any sense, I'll say I turned it on, but
I also saw the trailer and I wasn't pulled in.
But that's also because like I went to acting school, y'all,
and I sat in seeing study classes and watching John
David Washington, and that trailer made me feel like I
was at like one on one and like it didn't pull,
like the accent felt very not there. Yeah, one oh
(05:46):
one is the beginning. But also I can't. I can't
be a critic. I did not watch the entire film.
It could have just been a poll, but I do
feel like I've seen his acting didn't in general for me,
doesn't do it. It just doesn't. So and I saw
the trailer, I was like, oh cool, I love the
idea of in our film. And I'm not here to
critique anyways. Work that if it's good, If it's good,
(06:08):
it's good, that's it. That's I mean. But also good
is subjective. I have yet to see it. Thank you.
Actually I'm failing. You're not going to call her and
he's good. It's good. That's good subjective, But I mean,
I definitely look forward to watching it. It's definitely cause
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quite a stir. There are a lot of folks who
are like, let's unpack this or you know, here my thoughts.
So I'm a big fan of Euphoria and his work
with Euphoria and telling different stories and even how he's
open to if he doesn't know, he'll, you know, like
what he did with Hunter Shaffer for her episode of Euphoria.
He asked her to right on it and be a
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part of the story because her story is so specific.
But I don't know that he did that for this
black experience or if this is just two people existing,
if it's not even supposed to be about just the
black experience that was the idea behind it. Definitely watch it.
My question is just when can black people make or
participate in art without it being so overly analyzed and
(07:14):
like so criticized, Like why can't we just be like, oh,
it wasn't for me, but it was a movie. That's
That's where I am. What about you, guys, I am
I'm hating the cold. I'm still on the East Coast
and uh, as some of you know, I am trying
to build a tiny home and it ain't fun to
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build in the winter. So um, I have not been
on that project as much, which is also just really sad.
But my arthurritis says, wait, don't get frost bite. Bears
hibernate in the winter, so maybe your hibernation because you know,
(07:58):
bears hide out for the winter like they're not. Why
have you said, baron twite, you're not a baron. I'm saying,
I know I'm not a baron. Do you know I'm
not there? Um, but I'm sorry that you're going through that. Actually,
it was seventy two two here today and it was sunny.
It was actually kind of hot. How does it feel
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to be I love it all right? What you and? Okay?
I am oh, I've been on a book challenge with
my bestie to do with my best friend. I'm sorry,
could you always say my other friend Ashley? I'm jealous?
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Any who. We are reading twenty one books and the
year and I'm already on my fourth book, which is
the first time and a long time have I been
at four books at the first week of February. What
have you read that you've liked so far? E Squared
which is a mix of science and law of attraction,
(09:06):
a type stuff. I'm heavy on nonfiction. But like Obama's
book counts as two books, that book is thick. Let
me tell you right now that I tried to read
the first one chapter and that took like a whole week.
I was like, I gotta get to the next book.
I gotta hold a bullness one because I'm never gonna
make it. It's a day on Bible. That's cool, though, Kira,
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I like that. That's a great challenge. This is the year. Yeah,
you know what else is a challenge? Our topic this
week fast fashion books for un to be of forever
one of the worst culprits in fast fashion. Um, but
they do have some cute dresses though they know what
they do. They do and the little the little Brawlett's
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the little Brawlets. Today we are getting into the good,
the bad, and the ugly of the fast fashion world.
All that and more after the break. Welcome back everyone,
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Um let's get into our main topic this week. Do
you guys buy fast fashion? I'm guilty. I mean I
think you all already knew that. Um yeah, I I
tried to buy less. I did watch US show and
they talked about fast fashion, and I didn't realize how
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bad it was, and once I realized how bad it was,
I was like, well, I cannot partake in this consistently. Um,
you are a shopper here, I'm a shopper too, And
unfortunately I just found out what fast fashion even was.
So definitely a culprit of buying fast fashion, H and
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M Zara forever urban outfit and they're too expensive to
be all really. I think Zara was the one that surprised,
but would have never guessed that one was fashion. Yeah,
because they present themselves to be something else. We all
shot a Zar together once for a photo shoot, remember that. Yeah,
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we won't say what we got we don't need because
that photo should never have seen the light of day.
Those yellow rain jackets, you know, we don't have to post.
I thought they were cute in a curious George kind
of way. Yes, we really did style ourselves recklessly. Were
there so recklessly and at the time we were like,
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oum we popping? Um? Yeah, no, I mean I was
supposed This is not the biggest surprise. I don't really
buy that much clothing. I will thrift and or stuff
that's been gifted, but I don't really be shopping too much.
I feel like I have been a practitioner of fast
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fashion my whole life, but recently I've consciously done way better,
probably in the past like five years, partially because my
best friend owns a vintage store. I'm sure that you
know we have access to Flystop exactly. Shout out to
Babes on Legs um It's online and on Melrose Hey Ken's.
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But yeah, now I value more like finding pieces that
I know that I will wear for like years, and
if I have to pay a little more to get
one thing than like five things. Now I'm transitioning to like, okay,
save and get that one shirt instead of twenty from
forever one. They'd be so cheap and okay, I know which,
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Like what's your favorite clothing brand? Uh? And have you
guys checked about their moral compass in their ethics, because
I sure as hell haven't. I mean again, I'm just
coming into even acknowledging that the fashion industry is having
a huge problem and that the brands that I shop
are part of that problem. I had just discovered, like
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literally a year ago, discovered Urban Outfitters and Zara. Before that,
I don't know what I was doing on shopping at Target,
though I'm not sleeping on Target. Target also is probably
fast fashion, but some of their stuff right now is
so cute. They do have some cute stuff. I remember
when I used to go to Walmart and Target interchangeably
as a kid, but really Walmart more and like then
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Targets started having fly ass clothes and I was like, well, mom,
can we go to both? And that was an upgrade
from I think Ross, even though that's still shopping ROS
statistics don't sleep on Ross is Ross fash fashion. Ross
is actually a solution, I think, or part of a solution,
because they buy access from bigger retailers and sell them
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in their store at a cheaper price, so like instead
of them just burning it, at least well I guess
they're still making money up of it, but at least
it's not being thrown away. That's a disgusting part of
all of this. And also to the difference between like
a Ross and like um fashion Nova is that fashion
Nova will just make new stuff consistently. Ross isn't making anything.
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They're just buying the stuff that y'all didn't want and
then having one to ten on a shelf of what
they could purchase from other retailers. So I mean, i'd
say it's cheap, but it's cheap for the right reasons.
So in preparation for this fast Fashion episode, we all
watched an episode of Hassan Minages show The Patriot Act,
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and on his episode about fast Fashion, it let us
know that people are buying sixty four new garments a
year and only wearing about half of those garments, which
is just ridiculous fast and I know I was definitely
a part of that before I found minimalism and tiny living.
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Y'all know, I purged all my stuff, so I was
looking at my closet and I'm a I love shopping.
I love shopping, not just for buying stuff, but I
just love balls. They're quiet and it's kind. Yeah, exactly,
they got the music that I liked, their air conditioned.
People are nice to you. But I definitely found things
in my closet when I was purging, I still had
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the tag on it that I never wore, and there
were many things like that. You know, Luckily I was
able to give everything any home, but I was just
so disgusted that there were so many things, because you
don't you buy things just a fill space. I'm glad
that I've changed in this way, and like this conversation
is like, oh, you are doing better with buying tons
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of stuff and like an outfit for everything. But now
I haven't really shopped since I think I bought a
couple of sweat things at the beginning of quarantine, but
I haven't bought anything else because I'm like, I don't
need it. And I watched Marie Condo, which I'm sure
so many people have, and that really just changed um.
At the end of last year, I purged my closet
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and gave like so many bags away to Goodwill, and
it just felt so liked to get rid of things
because I'm like, you know, you're never going to wear
that or that fits weird, so just get it out
of here and give it to someone who might wear it.
And the Marie Kondo thing helps, and even buying things,
because there have been plenty of times where I bought
things that were just like almost what I wanted, and
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it's like this, girl, this is not it. You don't
love this thing, don't get this. So I even have
to like, if I do love something, I'll wait, I'll like,
I'll come back for this. If I really like It'll
stay on my mind and I'll come back for it
because I can be an impulse fire and um, not
to rain on anybody's parade. But y'all remember thrift stores
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can only hold a handful of the clothes that we donate,
So I will say, if I were to buy any clothes,
usually Goodwill is like one of my first stops. And granted,
a lot of this has been set up because I've
never had necessarily the money to purchase anything like, so
that is its own sad, sad tale. But I'm like,
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the good Will be hooking it up. It has a
bunch of stuff. And granted, I remember once my dad,
like I know for a fact that my love of
shopping at good Will is connected to my dad. But
he drove me in. He may have had like a
Maserati or Corvette, some fancy car. It was ridiculous. And
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then he's like, yeah, we're gonna go shopping today, Yasi,
you can pick out wish you want. And I'm like,
oh yeah, and we literally pulled up to the Goodwill
down I was like, this is too much. Like He's like,
you thought you were riding in a Maseratti. Well, here's
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a little balance for you. Wow, and I got this
jacket that I wore all the time for ten dollars
and I was just like, Will is great and Urban
Outfitters is getting their style from everything that is at
good Will. So if you can find it might take
some sifting, but you can definitely find things out there.
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I like the idea of the thrift store, but for
someone who is not an average size, not the most
practical uh at all? So um what I what I
was happy about. And listening to THEO that was good said,
I tried to say it like he keeps saying it,
but it feels really put on. But in that episode
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he was talking about, you know, you don't have to
stop buying fast fashion, especially if that's your only option,
but how about you just don't buy as much? Um,
which made me feel a lot better because it's like, oh,
I know I'm contributing to this horrible thing, but no
one else has pants that go down to my feet.
I think I've told you this, Like, I feel like
there should be a tall Girl thrift if somebody can
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steal this idea. Just really curate. Yeah for the tall Girl. Yeah,
just like that Tall Girl movie. Yeah, not like that
actually on Netflix a remake to that movie, just for
the tall girls out there to have something to relate
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to that wasn't it. Do you guys feel like the
whole social media pics and events and being here and
there and seeing has made the problem worse, or like,
how have you seen it? Hundred I don't think I
ever thought, oh, I shouldn't have the same shirt on
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because I wore this shirt to an event that I
posted pictures on my main page for, you know what
I mean, Like, I never had those thoughts growing up,
even up until probably two thousand and thirteen before I
was on Instagram, and then I got on a Graham
and I was like, oh, everybody's stunting. I guess I
shouldn't have the same rid shirt on in two posts. No,
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I mean I remember seeing an episode of Cribs when
Cribs was the thing, and I think it was like
Mariah Carey and she was like, I don't wear the
same thing twice. And I feel like we've all kind
of adopted that idea of what luxury is, but it's
so wasteful and to me just real dumb, like luxury
is consumption and waste. We should change that exactly and
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it's so bad for the environment. Yeah, it's terrible between
chemicals and like how many gallons of water it takes
to make clothes And can you elaborate When I saw
that staff, like one cotton jacket took I think it
was one person drinking water for twenty four years one
cot jacket. It is just extremely wasteful. Like if you
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buying a jacket, you should have to be thirsty for
the rest of your life. Yeah, you don't get any water,
No water for you. It all went into that jacket.
Like this really dry guy walking down the street and
they're like, what happened to him? Will he bought that jacket?
Good fly? I will say, I do get very excited
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when I pair like a shirt with like a different
skirt or bottom or something, and I'm like, it's a
whole new outfit, even if it's, you know, a staple
that I've used before. But like, the mixing and matching
is a very exciting thing. But I do feel the
pressure to like not put the same thing even as
I do anyway, but I think more of us need
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to do it so we make it acceptable. Because if
people see someone who they look up to or someone
who they think is the you know whatever they think
fly is wearing the same thing, then they'll give gives
permission for people that I was so inspired by Tiffany
Hattish's whole wear the same VERSACEI dressed to multiple events
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that last year or the year before. Yes, she was
like this was expensive, I'm wearing it again, Like that's
the bottom line. And I just love everything that she
does in her space to like be like, um, I'm
not doing what you're saying I'm doing, because she could
have done a whole campaign of like wearing some designer
to every party she went to and whatever. But she
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was literally in the same like right because she came
from you know, not having a lot, so she's not
in that wasteful mentality, which I love when people are
coming from backgrounds where waste is not something that we're
going to glorify. Yeah. I was doing some reading about
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the subject and there's this website called farm drop dot
com and they gave ten really awesome tips, um to
basically not participate in buying fast fashion, and it's not overnight,
it's not going to be easy. Don't throw all of
your clothes away. After listening to this episode, closed, please well,
if you're in your house, do whatever you want. Or
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if you're a nudist, do that too. It be fine
if you look don't wear clothes, and that's all of you.
But yes, so um one was asked, who made my clothes?
The simple question, perfect question. Yes, is it a you know,
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child somewhere without fingers? Like, well, that child without fingers
got laid off, but his cousin got highed because he
man another. Hey, I'm just saying I don't believe in
child labor world. Okay, she's being honest. This is the
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world we're living it. The second tip is to be
prepared for some awkward responses. And do you remember the
episode of Simpsons when Marge repurposed her suit like five
hundred times she had a Chanel suit. Oh yeah, I'll shoot.
I was like, I feel like we've talked about this before,
and she made it into like ten different outfits to
hang out with these fancy ladies and the like called
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her out about it. Um, we're with you, Marge. Okay,
need more like Marge. And also that hit hard because
I told you about the time that I was in
middle school and I wore I had a favorite pair
of jeans, and I tell you, y'all, I have a
thirty seven scene. It's insane. And I wore these pants
because I love them, three times in a week, and
the kids in my cafeteria gave me a ticket for
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wearing the same action three times in a week. And
I was like, oh, oh, you guys noticed here paying attention.
A citation for wearing pants, not a citation. Can you imagine?
I came back to lunch and I'm got my train.
I'm like, what's that on my on my seat? Oh no,
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they noticed. I hate them so much, truly, they hate
them down too, Yeah, trufully, anything that happened to my
adolescence that was that sounds traumatic. I've taken it and
I flipped it, so don't even reverse it. Thank you,
thank you, miss okay, all right, okay. Um. Number three
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is buy less by better. We already kind of talked
about that. You know, wait and get that thing that's
more quality, that sweater instead of twenty sweaters that are cheap.
Number four is take the where thirty pledge, which is
that you will wear every item that you buy a
minimum of thirty times. That's so cool and a great
way to hold yourself accountable. Oh I like that. I
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need that you wear thirty times before giving it away.
I hope more than that. I mean people were not
even wearing a three jumps sots. True, but if you
buy quality, it will last. I will say a quick
little story. So I remember when Jade and I were kids,
she would always be like, it'll be better for me
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to buy something that's more quality, that's more expensive and
will last for a long time, as opposed to like
three different really cheap things. And she was just telling
that story this weekend to my uncle and she was like, yeah,
Yasmin was like poo poo and me for buying this
Billo bong swimsuit top. But like in reality she wore
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it like and and I literally wore it, like is
great quality? They I don't know their ethics, so like
it literally lasted over like maybe two decades, just like
just like a trifle in Little Sister, you stole her
slim suit and are still wearing it. And you know, admittedly,
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I think that a lot of my thrift ng sort
of came from stealing Jades. That's not that's not thrifting
from your sister. You are being thrifty by by stealing
but thrift. NG Number five is shop in charity shops,
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vintage shops, and clothing swap parties, which you guys, you
invited me to my first clothing swap years ago. I
was I'm literally like jumping up and down. I love
swat parties. I was waiting for this moment to share
swat parties. You guys are the best thing ever Ashley.
Swat parties can even work for you. And I know
you think there are no other tall girls, but there are.
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And the one of the best things that I want
saying like, how do you going to talk about molight?
This feels like Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants And we
know dann Well did none of them jeans been all
for those girls? You say, yeah, you too actiously what
I'm saying, so like, obviously an O D swap party,
like I could not fit into Mommy's clothes as much
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as I, you know, love the things that she wears. However,
if you have a group of friends or not even
if but like gather with people that are similar to
you and be like, let's all bring twenty items that
we no longer wear and then you swap them out
and like you get things that like are awesome that
you sastories work too, everybody can. I can't do one
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size fits. I don't hear what you're saying. Yes, baster, like,
you're down playing my plate and I don't like you,
so I'm not not to downplay your plate. I'm saying
to your creative solution to some because I knew you
were going to be like but not everybody is the
same body type. I don't know because I'm not friends
with Amber Rose, and she's the only person who got
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my Okay, so Amber, if you're listening some of that fashion,
but it's just it's a thing like my friends that
I started them in like high school. Just like let's
get together and like have a swap party and you
bring some wine, you bring some snacks, and you come
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out with a whole new wardrobe. That's true. It's highly
highly recommend Yes, I like wine and I like snacks,
and so I feel like I could do a swap party. Yeah.
I guess I just need to get some new friends
so I can't have a swat part. Oh wow, I'm sorry.
I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't
like it. I didn't like it. I like it. I mean,
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y'all know my college roommate she swapped. We didn't actually
swapp she just wore my panties. She did, y'all swap
something she was She was what was the word you
used earlier, thrifty? Yes, she was thrifty with her underwear purchasing,
which is not I wouldn't recommend thrifting underwear or in
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my leoton did I mention that part too? Oh yeah,
sorry leotard and been there all the clothes where she
borrowed too. But the clothes I didn't mind. Even the shirt.
I was like, oh, you wore my shirt today. Huh.
It sounds like you're wearing my shirt. Just real passive, right. Um.
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So another tip is don't buy fast fashion on the
premise you'll donate it later, because I think we can
talk ourselves into whatever we want to when you see
that cute foe. And don't on those Instagram links, y'all,
because they try to get you. Kid has gotten got
by every last day, every last place to come past
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her paces. Just sent me a cat toy yesterday and
I was like, maybe I should get them a cat.
I was like, no, no, no, they don't need any
more toys. I mean, your money does tell a lot though.
I think we think as individuals it's like, oh well,
if I just go and do this thing, it doesn't matter.
But then everybody is doing that, like oh well if
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it's just me, and then it adds up to little
children without hands or liver problems or like the O zone.
You know, like we all play a part in it,
so we all should be a part of the solution.
Another way we can do that is also to shop
ethically online and like that goes into doing the research
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really because a lot of these places which we saw
in the documentary say like this garment was made with
sustainable material, and the thing that was made with sustainable
material is the tag, like not actual shirt, and it's
legal for them to do that because they can advertise
whatever they want. So really taking the time to um
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those words eco, organic, conscious, sustainable, like figuring out if
they're really bad about it, and it really takes a
lot of digging because a lot of people are allowed
or there is no regulation on what sustainable is or
what green is. They're allowed to say anything they want
to make them think that things are green. Another great
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one is to check out great brick and mortar shops. Like,
there's so many gems that we have no idea about
because they're not h and M and in your face
an easy to go get a quick outfit. So it
does take time and planning, but look those up in
your local area. Buying local is so especially like buying
from black owned brands designers, especially as some of these
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places be stealing our ideas. It's like, who who were
the black folks making clothing? Go support them, be checking
on how they're making their clothes too, though, which brings
me to another great point the materials that the clothes
are made of. As a general guy, the best materials
are recycled nylon, polyester, cotton, and wool. But also top
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of the list are organic materials, especially linen and hemp,
but also cotton. So new great and increasingly popular fibers
are tensil um, which is made out of wood, and
mono cell, which is made out of bamboo. So these
are basically we should be shopping at free people and
(32:48):
in the jungle. Here is for people even I don't know,
I'm just kidding. They look like they would be They
just are. The hippie brain I think of where I'm
like cotton, like free, like himp dress, wear a himp dress.
I don't know. And the last tip, and I think
this is very important, is if at first you don't succeed,
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keep trying. Don't get defeated because it's hard. Don't spend
your whole life looking for vintage clothes or anything, but
give yourself the time to find and look as it
comes to you, and don't put so much pressure on
yourself to like, oh, I will wear this shirt from
Forever twenty one, I'm going to hell. The fact that
you know, the fact you know it's wrong is the
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first step. Yeah, I like those, Um I thought they
might have one on there that wasn't though. Have you
guys heard of capsule wardrobes. It's like basically people are picking.
I think there's a woman who did like thirty three
items where that's all she had to wear, and I
think initially she was just thinking, you know, I wonder
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if people will even notice that I'm only wearing these
thirty three things, and no one did, so she just
kept it going. It's something that I've been thinking about
just and you know, living tiny and also the idea
of not having to think about what are you gonna
wear today? I like that. That almost made me think too,
like school uniforms. That's exactly Yeah. I wore a uniform
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K through twelve and I loved it because I didn't
have to think about what I was wearing to school. Ever,
the only thing was my accessories. One site that I
recently came across on insta that like sort of rates
a lot of these companies. It's called good on You,
um good on You, and it gives you sort of
a review of a brand. Kira asked Free People or
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brought up Free People and so just to share a
really quick sentence of their rating of Free People. They
say Free People has taken some positive measures, but it's
simply not pulling its weight when it comes to protecting
the planet, people and animals. If the brand hopes to
become more ethical in the future, it could start by
setting concrete goals to reduce its environmental impact and provide
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more information on a labor practices and supply chain. We
hope that Free People will start working towards truly embodying
the progressive Bohemian values that it claims to represent. I
mean they claim it I'm not. I'm not a consumer
from people, free people. But from the outside that's what
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they see. But like, and that's I think what we're
all up again says like we think that someone is
popping or that they're supposed to be sustainable or whatever,
and all they're doing is replacing the tag with recycled cardboard.
So go forth, have swap parties, guys by less, yes,
just by less, get naked, something to sleep naked. You
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don't need pajamas, No, you don't need pajamas. Underwear optional too.
I love to not wear truly from my couch. What
about an address? What if you can't tell that I'm
not wearing draws and then I'm staying on the couch.
That dress better be between you and the fabric of
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my couch. I would be so pissed if I saw
somebody get up just a bootyprint on the couch, a
sweaty one. Y'all know's couch, right, right? Can we have? Yes?
It is time for us to give some advice to
a lucky Listen up. First, we're going to take a
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little break. Alright, welcome back, Um, It's time for us
to give advice to one of our people out there
in the world. Shakira, what do you have for us today?
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Dear Ot, I am currently one years old, and I
was living on my own for the last four years
until I got pregnant recently, Congratulations. I figured that it
would be best for me to move out since I
could not raise a baby in my party house that
I was living in. She was living in a party house, okay, okay.
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Ever since I moved out, I've been having problems with
my stepdad, oh to the point that I do not
think he wants me to live in the house. I
was thinking about moving out with my mom, but my
family thinks I should move out on my own since
that is what I'm used to. I have a great
relationship with my mom. People basically think we are either
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sisters or best friends since we are so close. However,
I have never lived on my own before, and I
know it's going to be me and the baby, but
I am still going to feel alone. Postpartum depression is real,
and I am definitely not trying to experience that with
my first child. Please let me know your thoughts on
this situation and what you guys would do. That's so hard.
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I feel like your mom needs to speak up for you.
You need her support with this baby. Not saying you
dump it all on her, but if she can advocate
for you to her husband, that would be what I
think is a key to helping you out, because raising
a baby with another person is hard, especially at the beginning.
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So by yourself, I'm sorry, sis, I guess I'm a
little confused as to if the mom and the stepdad
lived together or not. But um, I would say, let's clarify.
Maybe have a conversation with your stepdad because you think
that he doesn't want you to live in the house,
but maybe there's some kind of miscommunication. I don't know
what these problems are, but you know, if that's somewhere
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you know that was the first place you went to
at home, Um, maybe seeing if y'all can figure out
what's going on that's not making it a happy house.
And I definitely think if I was in your shoes,
I would probably talk to my mom first to share,
like this is what I'm picking up, Like I'm not
getting good vibe. Can I ask for your support in
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helping me with this child and helping me live with
you for a little it so I don't have postpartum depression.
And if the answer is yes, then I would have
your mother mediate a conversation between you and your stepdad.
I don't know if trying to go talk to him
without a mediator will Because do you guys think that
the mom and the stepdad are living together, because it's
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at least that's what I gather. Yeah. Yeah, so she's
gonna move out with her mom. So mom's gonna move
out from her husband. No, mom would talk to the
stepdad to be like, I want my daughter to be here,
and mom is supposed to stand up what she said.
I was thinking about moving out with my mom. Oh,
I did see that, but I didn't interpret it that way.
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I mean, if mom is separated from stepdad and they're
don't get their own spot, then I highly recommend that
because it seems like the only problem in this situation
is the stepdad and him preventing you from either living
with mom at the house with them together, or just
giving you a bad vibe in general, and you don't
want to you because that's not healthy for her or
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the baby to be under stress or uncomfortable in your
living situation and not feel safe, and even just encouragement
if you don't go with this direction and you move
out on your own, I believe in you. Yeah, because women,
we don't always want to be strong when we're fucking strong.
So I hope you have other people who could maybe
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pick up some of if you need support, but you
can do it. Yeah, I agree. Finding post to lean
on um is going to be imperative with your first child,
within each child really, but especially your first one. And
also knowing that postpartum is something that people experience for
an array of reasons, and if that does come up,
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there are resources out there for you to get help
or to talk to someone what you think about. Yes,
I just I hope your mom has your back. That's
my biggest thing. I really hope that your mom doesn't
choose oh way over you, because I've I've seen it
happen with other folks that I know, where the mom
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chose the stepdad, and it's just it's so sad because
it's like, that's You're supposed to be your rock, that's
supposed to be your person, and for them to betray
you in that way would be real shady boots. But
also mom is a human and if she does do that,
and she is still willing to watch the baby occasionally
and still willing to be a part of your life
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and the baby. Do not turn that down for your
pride and for her not making a decision that she
should make and you think she should make because she's
a human being and people do stuff that you know,
sometimes women sometimes women yea for love, people make decisions
like that you won't do. I was still saying, will
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you try day goo goo? But does everything include dropping
your your child that's pregnant with a newborn for for
dick nah, alright, that we gotta lay off the judgmental
I was gonna say, I agree, but we know human
beings and I don't want her to be like, no,
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you didn't you kick me out? Mom, I'm not taking
your help to watch this baby. No, Mom, alright, cool,
watch the baby. You still getting my goddamn nerves, But
I'll take the help. He's taking on my damn nerves. Well,
we wish you the best with your firstborn, and we
would love to hear how you're doing. You know when
you've made your decision, So write us back and let
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us know what's going on with your girl, and if
you want to name the baby Obama's Other Daughters. We'll
take here open to that. And if you're looking for resources,
there's Postpartum Support International at postpartum dot net and they
have resources for help for moms. Just so you know
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that you're not alone and that help is available. Best
of luck to you and your little one, y'all. I
really enjoyed this conversation today and learning about what we
can do to better our planet through not contributing as
much to fast fashion. I love that we all, in
our own ways have already started doing that for this conversation, um,
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and we'll probably only get even better. We appreciate y'all.
Tune it in. Thank you so much. Please remember to
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Welcome to You Down, a production of Shonda Land Audio
and partnership with I Heart Radio. Just like a trifling
little sister, you stole her SLAPSU and are still wearing it.
And you know, admittedly, I think that a lot of
my thrift ng sort of came from stealing Jade's that's
not that's not thrilling from your sister. You are being thrifty. Hey, everybody,
(00:34):
welcome back to you Down, a podcast where for funny
honeys come together to talk about what's going on in
the culture. I'm Yasin Oker Watkins, I'm Yasman when I Watkins,
I'm Ashley, and I'm Mommy a far Oh. But collectively
(00:58):
we are known as oh other daughter and daughter. Get
that booty on the floor and then come on, give
me some more. That wasn't my spirit today, so I
have to let you let it out. Let you let
it out. Today we are asking are you down with
(01:20):
fast fashion? Everybody loves a cute new fit, right, but
at what cost? The fashion industry has many problems, like
underpaid labor and environmental impact of disposed clothes being burned
and destroying the ozone. I didn't even know that I
hadn't recently find that out y'all cool? No, that's not cool. Meanwhile,
(01:41):
brands like Shin Fashion, Nova and even Sorrow Sorry y'all
are stealing high end designs the minute they drop and
selling them at astronomically lower prices. So we have to
ask is fast fashion worth it? But before we do that,
y'all know, we gotta check it with each other. What
y'all love it and what you're I was really inspired
(02:04):
that Black Lives Matter was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
That I was like, whoa, It blew my mind. It
deserves it. I love that that that is a thing.
I feel like we so often talk about giving people
their flowers now, you know, rather than later, And it's
nice to see it in small steps, slowly, you know, happening,
(02:27):
and that the outside world, like, I think it's interesting.
Like here in the US we live in this like
bubble of sorts and like that, other folks are like, oh, ship,
that's that's what you all are going through. They saw
the news. They saw the news. It's crazy the way
that people in other countries see us. Now after this year,
(02:48):
it's not the same reverence as it was, you know,
what I mean. I feel like I feel like when
I finally got out of the country, I realized it
was never the reverence that I thought. It was, like,
They're like, oh, no, you're stupid and you're overweight, and
I'm gonna get all your money for this task that
you're asking me to do that. But I will say
(03:10):
that there was a lot of allies in other countries
in regards to even after the Floyd Um, you know,
after the marches, really so many countries joined in the marches. Yeah,
I think I mean like it used to be like
America is the best place in the world to live,
and that this year has shifted that narrative. Everyone's like, oh,
(03:30):
you from the US, don't you dare come over here? Really, like,
is it as bad as it seems on the news?
America does have coodies right now? Yeah. And I have
friends who are like, I'm just like watching all of
this on the news and like, are you okay? When
they stormed at Capital and it was like this people
were blowing it was I'm sure all of us just
(03:53):
like are you in? Are you there? Man? Yes, we
we are here. That's great, that's great. Thanks for pointing
that out. Yet what do you guys live in this week?
Hayton Um, I okay, don't shoot. I really liked the
movie Malcolm and Marie and people are going in on
(04:14):
it on the internet. Have any of you seen it?
I have not seen the movie, but I heard that
it was trauma porn. That was the review that I
heard of it. Like, I just want to feel black trauma.
I don't even know if I would go there. I
just feel like one. Because it was directed and written
by a white man, it was already not going to
(04:36):
be received, so people were watching it through a lens
of like judgment in the first place. But like, it
just makes me ask the question, when does black film
get to be artful and get to be deep and
not have to like have a gimmick or you know,
like just this is a story that was told in
one space about this couple. And yeah, we can discuss
(04:58):
what he his mac and cheese have been c a
back and cheese or whatever. Like that's one of the debates.
But it just brings up the question for me, like
what's the balance between wanting more content? And I mean,
Zendia and John David Washington are not struggling by any
means for work, but like, I don't know if that
(05:19):
makes any sense, I'll say I turned it on, but
I also saw the trailer and I wasn't pulled in.
But that's also because like I went to acting school, y'all,
and I sat in seeing study classes and watching John
David Washington, and that trailer made me feel like I
was at like one on one and like it didn't pull,
like the accent felt very not there. Yeah, one oh
(05:46):
one is the beginning. But also I can't. I can't
be a critic. I did not watch the entire film.
It could have just been a poll, but I do
feel like I've seen his acting didn't in general for me,
doesn't do it. It just doesn't. So and I saw
the trailer, I was like, oh cool, I love the
idea of in our film. And I'm not here to
critique anyways. Work that if it's good, If it's good,
(06:08):
it's good, that's it. That's I mean. But also good
is subjective. I have yet to see it. Thank you.
Actually I'm failing. You're not going to call her and
he's good. It's good. That's good subjective, But I mean,
I definitely look forward to watching it. It's definitely cause
(06:29):
quite a stir. There are a lot of folks who
are like, let's unpack this or you know, here my thoughts.
So I'm a big fan of Euphoria and his work
with Euphoria and telling different stories and even how he's
open to if he doesn't know, he'll, you know, like
what he did with Hunter Shaffer for her episode of Euphoria.
He asked her to right on it and be a
(06:51):
part of the story because her story is so specific.
But I don't know that he did that for this
black experience or if this is just two people existing,
if it's not even supposed to be about just the
black experience that was the idea behind it. Definitely watch it.
My question is just when can black people make or
participate in art without it being so overly analyzed and
(07:14):
like so criticized, Like why can't we just be like, oh,
it wasn't for me, but it was a movie. That's
That's where I am. What about you, guys, I am
I'm hating the cold. I'm still on the East Coast
and uh, as some of you know, I am trying
to build a tiny home and it ain't fun to
(07:38):
build in the winter. So um, I have not been
on that project as much, which is also just really sad.
But my arthurritis says, wait, don't get frost bite. Bears
hibernate in the winter, so maybe your hibernation because you know,
(07:58):
bears hide out for the winter like they're not. Why
have you said, baron twite, you're not a baron. I'm saying,
I know I'm not a baron. Do you know I'm
not there? Um, but I'm sorry that you're going through that. Actually,
it was seventy two two here today and it was sunny.
It was actually kind of hot. How does it feel
(08:18):
to be I love it all right? What you and? Okay?
I am oh, I've been on a book challenge with
my bestie to do with my best friend. I'm sorry,
could you always say my other friend Ashley? I'm jealous?
(08:43):
Any who. We are reading twenty one books and the
year and I'm already on my fourth book, which is
the first time and a long time have I been
at four books at the first week of February. What
have you read that you've liked so far? E Squared
which is a mix of science and law of attraction,
(09:06):
a type stuff. I'm heavy on nonfiction. But like Obama's
book counts as two books, that book is thick. Let
me tell you right now that I tried to read
the first one chapter and that took like a whole week.
I was like, I gotta get to the next book.
I gotta hold a bullness one because I'm never gonna
make it. It's a day on Bible. That's cool, though, Kira,
(09:29):
I like that. That's a great challenge. This is the year. Yeah,
you know what else is a challenge? Our topic this
week fast fashion books for un to be of forever
one of the worst culprits in fast fashion. Um, but
they do have some cute dresses though they know what
they do. They do and the little the little Brawlett's
(09:51):
the little Brawlets. Today we are getting into the good,
the bad, and the ugly of the fast fashion world.
All that and more after the break. Welcome back everyone,
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Um let's get into our main topic this week. Do
you guys buy fast fashion? I'm guilty. I mean I
think you all already knew that. Um yeah, I I
tried to buy less. I did watch US show and
they talked about fast fashion, and I didn't realize how
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bad it was, and once I realized how bad it was,
I was like, well, I cannot partake in this consistently. Um,
you are a shopper here, I'm a shopper too, And
unfortunately I just found out what fast fashion even was.
So definitely a culprit of buying fast fashion, H and
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M Zara forever urban outfit and they're too expensive to
be all really. I think Zara was the one that surprised,
but would have never guessed that one was fashion. Yeah,
because they present themselves to be something else. We all
shot a Zar together once for a photo shoot, remember that. Yeah,
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we won't say what we got we don't need because
that photo should never have seen the light of day.
Those yellow rain jackets, you know, we don't have to post.
I thought they were cute in a curious George kind
of way. Yes, we really did style ourselves recklessly. Were
there so recklessly and at the time we were like,
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oum we popping? Um? Yeah, no, I mean I was
supposed This is not the biggest surprise. I don't really
buy that much clothing. I will thrift and or stuff
that's been gifted, but I don't really be shopping too much.
I feel like I have been a practitioner of fast
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fashion my whole life, but recently I've consciously done way better,
probably in the past like five years, partially because my
best friend owns a vintage store. I'm sure that you
know we have access to Flystop exactly. Shout out to
Babes on Legs um It's online and on Melrose Hey Ken's.
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But yeah, now I value more like finding pieces that
I know that I will wear for like years, and
if I have to pay a little more to get
one thing than like five things. Now I'm transitioning to like, okay,
save and get that one shirt instead of twenty from
forever one. They'd be so cheap and okay, I know which,
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Like what's your favorite clothing brand? Uh? And have you
guys checked about their moral compass in their ethics, because
I sure as hell haven't. I mean again, I'm just
coming into even acknowledging that the fashion industry is having
a huge problem and that the brands that I shop
are part of that problem. I had just discovered, like
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literally a year ago, discovered Urban Outfitters and Zara. Before that,
I don't know what I was doing on shopping at Target,
though I'm not sleeping on Target. Target also is probably
fast fashion, but some of their stuff right now is
so cute. They do have some cute stuff. I remember
when I used to go to Walmart and Target interchangeably
as a kid, but really Walmart more and like then
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Targets started having fly ass clothes and I was like, well, mom,
can we go to both? And that was an upgrade
from I think Ross, even though that's still shopping ROS
statistics don't sleep on Ross is Ross fash fashion. Ross
is actually a solution, I think, or part of a solution,
because they buy access from bigger retailers and sell them
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in their store at a cheaper price, so like instead
of them just burning it, at least well I guess
they're still making money up of it, but at least
it's not being thrown away. That's a disgusting part of
all of this. And also to the difference between like
a Ross and like um fashion Nova is that fashion
Nova will just make new stuff consistently. Ross isn't making anything.
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They're just buying the stuff that y'all didn't want and
then having one to ten on a shelf of what
they could purchase from other retailers. So I mean, i'd
say it's cheap, but it's cheap for the right reasons.
So in preparation for this fast Fashion episode, we all
watched an episode of Hassan Minages show The Patriot Act,
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and on his episode about fast Fashion, it let us
know that people are buying sixty four new garments a
year and only wearing about half of those garments, which
is just ridiculous fast and I know I was definitely
a part of that before I found minimalism and tiny living.
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Y'all know, I purged all my stuff, so I was
looking at my closet and I'm a I love shopping.
I love shopping, not just for buying stuff, but I
just love balls. They're quiet and it's kind. Yeah, exactly,
they got the music that I liked, their air conditioned.
People are nice to you. But I definitely found things
in my closet when I was purging, I still had
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the tag on it that I never wore, and there
were many things like that. You know, Luckily I was
able to give everything any home, but I was just
so disgusted that there were so many things, because you
don't you buy things just a fill space. I'm glad
that I've changed in this way, and like this conversation
is like, oh, you are doing better with buying tons
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of stuff and like an outfit for everything. But now
I haven't really shopped since I think I bought a
couple of sweat things at the beginning of quarantine, but
I haven't bought anything else because I'm like, I don't
need it. And I watched Marie Condo, which I'm sure
so many people have, and that really just changed um.
At the end of last year, I purged my closet
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and gave like so many bags away to Goodwill, and
it just felt so liked to get rid of things
because I'm like, you know, you're never going to wear
that or that fits weird, so just get it out
of here and give it to someone who might wear it.
And the Marie Kondo thing helps, and even buying things,
because there have been plenty of times where I bought
things that were just like almost what I wanted, and
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it's like this, girl, this is not it. You don't
love this thing, don't get this. So I even have
to like, if I do love something, I'll wait, I'll like,
I'll come back for this. If I really like It'll
stay on my mind and I'll come back for it
because I can be an impulse fire and um, not
to rain on anybody's parade. But y'all remember thrift stores
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can only hold a handful of the clothes that we donate,
So I will say, if I were to buy any clothes,
usually Goodwill is like one of my first stops. And granted,
a lot of this has been set up because I've
never had necessarily the money to purchase anything like, so
that is its own sad, sad tale. But I'm like,
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the good Will be hooking it up. It has a
bunch of stuff. And granted, I remember once my dad,
like I know for a fact that my love of
shopping at good Will is connected to my dad. But
he drove me in. He may have had like a
Maserati or Corvette, some fancy car. It was ridiculous. And
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then he's like, yeah, we're gonna go shopping today, Yasi,
you can pick out wish you want. And I'm like,
oh yeah, and we literally pulled up to the Goodwill
down I was like, this is too much. Like He's like,
you thought you were riding in a Maseratti. Well, here's
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a little balance for you. Wow, and I got this
jacket that I wore all the time for ten dollars
and I was just like, Will is great and Urban
Outfitters is getting their style from everything that is at
good Will. So if you can find it might take
some sifting, but you can definitely find things out there.
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I like the idea of the thrift store, but for
someone who is not an average size, not the most
practical uh at all? So um what I what I
was happy about. And listening to THEO that was good said,
I tried to say it like he keeps saying it,
but it feels really put on. But in that episode
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he was talking about, you know, you don't have to
stop buying fast fashion, especially if that's your only option,
but how about you just don't buy as much? Um,
which made me feel a lot better because it's like, oh,
I know I'm contributing to this horrible thing, but no
one else has pants that go down to my feet.
I think I've told you this, Like, I feel like
there should be a tall Girl thrift if somebody can
(18:53):
steal this idea. Just really curate. Yeah for the tall Girl. Yeah,
just like that Tall Girl movie. Yeah, not like that
actually on Netflix a remake to that movie, just for
the tall girls out there to have something to relate
(19:13):
to that wasn't it. Do you guys feel like the
whole social media pics and events and being here and
there and seeing has made the problem worse, or like,
how have you seen it? Hundred I don't think I
ever thought, oh, I shouldn't have the same shirt on
(19:35):
because I wore this shirt to an event that I
posted pictures on my main page for, you know what
I mean, Like, I never had those thoughts growing up,
even up until probably two thousand and thirteen before I
was on Instagram, and then I got on a Graham
and I was like, oh, everybody's stunting. I guess I
shouldn't have the same rid shirt on in two posts. No,
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I mean I remember seeing an episode of Cribs when
Cribs was the thing, and I think it was like
Mariah Carey and she was like, I don't wear the
same thing twice. And I feel like we've all kind
of adopted that idea of what luxury is, but it's
so wasteful and to me just real dumb, like luxury
is consumption and waste. We should change that exactly and
(20:19):
it's so bad for the environment. Yeah, it's terrible between
chemicals and like how many gallons of water it takes
to make clothes And can you elaborate When I saw
that staff, like one cotton jacket took I think it
was one person drinking water for twenty four years one
cot jacket. It is just extremely wasteful. Like if you
(20:43):
buying a jacket, you should have to be thirsty for
the rest of your life. Yeah, you don't get any water,
No water for you. It all went into that jacket.
Like this really dry guy walking down the street and
they're like, what happened to him? Will he bought that jacket?
Good fly? I will say, I do get very excited
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when I pair like a shirt with like a different
skirt or bottom or something, and I'm like, it's a
whole new outfit, even if it's, you know, a staple
that I've used before. But like, the mixing and matching
is a very exciting thing. But I do feel the
pressure to like not put the same thing even as
I do anyway, but I think more of us need
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to do it so we make it acceptable. Because if
people see someone who they look up to or someone
who they think is the you know whatever they think
fly is wearing the same thing, then they'll give gives
permission for people that I was so inspired by Tiffany
Hattish's whole wear the same VERSACEI dressed to multiple events
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that last year or the year before. Yes, she was
like this was expensive, I'm wearing it again, Like that's
the bottom line. And I just love everything that she
does in her space to like be like, um, I'm
not doing what you're saying I'm doing, because she could
have done a whole campaign of like wearing some designer
to every party she went to and whatever. But she
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was literally in the same like right because she came
from you know, not having a lot, so she's not
in that wasteful mentality, which I love when people are
coming from backgrounds where waste is not something that we're
going to glorify. Yeah. I was doing some reading about
(22:29):
the subject and there's this website called farm drop dot
com and they gave ten really awesome tips, um to
basically not participate in buying fast fashion, and it's not overnight,
it's not going to be easy. Don't throw all of
your clothes away. After listening to this episode, closed, please well,
if you're in your house, do whatever you want. Or
(22:50):
if you're a nudist, do that too. It be fine
if you look don't wear clothes, and that's all of you.
But yes, so um one was asked, who made my clothes?
The simple question, perfect question. Yes, is it a you know,
(23:11):
child somewhere without fingers? Like, well, that child without fingers
got laid off, but his cousin got highed because he
man another. Hey, I'm just saying I don't believe in
child labor world. Okay, she's being honest. This is the
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world we're living it. The second tip is to be
prepared for some awkward responses. And do you remember the
episode of Simpsons when Marge repurposed her suit like five
hundred times she had a Chanel suit. Oh yeah, I'll shoot.
I was like, I feel like we've talked about this before,
and she made it into like ten different outfits to
hang out with these fancy ladies and the like called
(23:57):
her out about it. Um, we're with you, Marge. Okay,
need more like Marge. And also that hit hard because
I told you about the time that I was in
middle school and I wore I had a favorite pair
of jeans, and I tell you, y'all, I have a
thirty seven scene. It's insane. And I wore these pants
because I love them, three times in a week, and
the kids in my cafeteria gave me a ticket for
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wearing the same action three times in a week. And
I was like, oh, oh, you guys noticed here paying attention.
A citation for wearing pants, not a citation. Can you imagine?
I came back to lunch and I'm got my train.
I'm like, what's that on my on my seat? Oh no,
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they noticed. I hate them so much, truly, they hate
them down too, Yeah, trufully, anything that happened to my
adolescence that was that sounds traumatic. I've taken it and
I flipped it, so don't even reverse it. Thank you,
thank you, miss okay, all right, okay. Um. Number three
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is buy less by better. We already kind of talked
about that. You know, wait and get that thing that's
more quality, that sweater instead of twenty sweaters that are cheap.
Number four is take the where thirty pledge, which is
that you will wear every item that you buy a
minimum of thirty times. That's so cool and a great
way to hold yourself accountable. Oh I like that. I
(25:31):
need that you wear thirty times before giving it away.
I hope more than that. I mean people were not
even wearing a three jumps sots. True, but if you
buy quality, it will last. I will say a quick
little story. So I remember when Jade and I were kids,
she would always be like, it'll be better for me
(25:53):
to buy something that's more quality, that's more expensive and
will last for a long time, as opposed to like
three different really cheap things. And she was just telling
that story this weekend to my uncle and she was like, yeah,
Yasmin was like poo poo and me for buying this
Billo bong swimsuit top. But like in reality she wore
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it like and and I literally wore it, like is
great quality? They I don't know their ethics, so like
it literally lasted over like maybe two decades, just like
just like a trifle in Little Sister, you stole her
slim suit and are still wearing it. And you know, admittedly,
(26:38):
I think that a lot of my thrift ng sort
of came from stealing Jades. That's not that's not thrifting
from your sister. You are being thrifty by by stealing
but thrift. NG Number five is shop in charity shops,
(26:58):
vintage shops, and clothing swap parties, which you guys, you
invited me to my first clothing swap years ago. I
was I'm literally like jumping up and down. I love
swat parties. I was waiting for this moment to share
swat parties. You guys are the best thing ever Ashley.
Swat parties can even work for you. And I know
you think there are no other tall girls, but there are.
(27:21):
And the one of the best things that I want
saying like, how do you going to talk about molight?
This feels like Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants And we
know dann Well did none of them jeans been all
for those girls? You say, yeah, you too actiously what
I'm saying, so like, obviously an O D swap party,
like I could not fit into Mommy's clothes as much
(27:41):
as I, you know, love the things that she wears. However,
if you have a group of friends or not even
if but like gather with people that are similar to
you and be like, let's all bring twenty items that
we no longer wear and then you swap them out
and like you get things that like are awesome that
you sastories work too, everybody can. I can't do one
(28:03):
size fits. I don't hear what you're saying. Yes, baster, like,
you're down playing my plate and I don't like you,
so I'm not not to downplay your plate. I'm saying
to your creative solution to some because I knew you
were going to be like but not everybody is the
same body type. I don't know because I'm not friends
with Amber Rose, and she's the only person who got
(28:24):
my Okay, so Amber, if you're listening some of that fashion,
but it's just it's a thing like my friends that
I started them in like high school. Just like let's
get together and like have a swap party and you
bring some wine, you bring some snacks, and you come
(28:44):
out with a whole new wardrobe. That's true. It's highly
highly recommend Yes, I like wine and I like snacks,
and so I feel like I could do a swap party. Yeah.
I guess I just need to get some new friends
so I can't have a swat part. Oh wow, I'm sorry.
I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't
like it. I didn't like it. I like it. I mean,
(29:07):
y'all know my college roommate she swapped. We didn't actually
swapp she just wore my panties. She did, y'all swap
something she was She was what was the word you
used earlier, thrifty? Yes, she was thrifty with her underwear purchasing,
which is not I wouldn't recommend thrifting underwear or in
(29:30):
my leoton did I mention that part too? Oh yeah,
sorry leotard and been there all the clothes where she
borrowed too. But the clothes I didn't mind. Even the shirt.
I was like, oh, you wore my shirt today. Huh.
It sounds like you're wearing my shirt. Just real passive, right. Um.
(29:56):
So another tip is don't buy fast fashion on the
premise you'll donate it later, because I think we can
talk ourselves into whatever we want to when you see
that cute foe. And don't on those Instagram links, y'all,
because they try to get you. Kid has gotten got
by every last day, every last place to come past
(30:17):
her paces. Just sent me a cat toy yesterday and
I was like, maybe I should get them a cat.
I was like, no, no, no, they don't need any
more toys. I mean, your money does tell a lot though.
I think we think as individuals it's like, oh well,
if I just go and do this thing, it doesn't matter.
But then everybody is doing that, like oh well if
(30:40):
it's just me, and then it adds up to little
children without hands or liver problems or like the O zone.
You know, like we all play a part in it,
so we all should be a part of the solution.
Another way we can do that is also to shop
ethically online and like that goes into doing the research
(31:02):
really because a lot of these places which we saw
in the documentary say like this garment was made with
sustainable material, and the thing that was made with sustainable
material is the tag, like not actual shirt, and it's
legal for them to do that because they can advertise
whatever they want. So really taking the time to um
(31:22):
those words eco, organic, conscious, sustainable, like figuring out if
they're really bad about it, and it really takes a
lot of digging because a lot of people are allowed
or there is no regulation on what sustainable is or
what green is. They're allowed to say anything they want
to make them think that things are green. Another great
(31:44):
one is to check out great brick and mortar shops. Like,
there's so many gems that we have no idea about
because they're not h and M and in your face
an easy to go get a quick outfit. So it
does take time and planning, but look those up in
your local area. Buying local is so especially like buying
from black owned brands designers, especially as some of these
(32:05):
places be stealing our ideas. It's like, who who were
the black folks making clothing? Go support them, be checking
on how they're making their clothes too, though, which brings
me to another great point the materials that the clothes
are made of. As a general guy, the best materials
are recycled nylon, polyester, cotton, and wool. But also top
(32:27):
of the list are organic materials, especially linen and hemp,
but also cotton. So new great and increasingly popular fibers
are tensil um, which is made out of wood, and
mono cell, which is made out of bamboo. So these
are basically we should be shopping at free people and
(32:48):
in the jungle. Here is for people even I don't know,
I'm just kidding. They look like they would be They
just are. The hippie brain I think of where I'm
like cotton, like free, like himp dress, wear a himp dress.
I don't know. And the last tip, and I think
this is very important, is if at first you don't succeed,
(33:09):
keep trying. Don't get defeated because it's hard. Don't spend
your whole life looking for vintage clothes or anything, but
give yourself the time to find and look as it
comes to you, and don't put so much pressure on
yourself to like, oh, I will wear this shirt from
Forever twenty one, I'm going to hell. The fact that
you know, the fact you know it's wrong is the
(33:31):
first step. Yeah, I like those, Um I thought they
might have one on there that wasn't though. Have you
guys heard of capsule wardrobes. It's like basically people are picking.
I think there's a woman who did like thirty three
items where that's all she had to wear, and I
think initially she was just thinking, you know, I wonder
(33:53):
if people will even notice that I'm only wearing these
thirty three things, and no one did, so she just
kept it going. It's something that I've been thinking about
just and you know, living tiny and also the idea
of not having to think about what are you gonna
wear today? I like that. That almost made me think too,
like school uniforms. That's exactly Yeah. I wore a uniform
(34:14):
K through twelve and I loved it because I didn't
have to think about what I was wearing to school. Ever,
the only thing was my accessories. One site that I
recently came across on insta that like sort of rates
a lot of these companies. It's called good on You,
um good on You, and it gives you sort of
a review of a brand. Kira asked Free People or
(34:37):
brought up Free People and so just to share a
really quick sentence of their rating of Free People. They
say Free People has taken some positive measures, but it's
simply not pulling its weight when it comes to protecting
the planet, people and animals. If the brand hopes to
become more ethical in the future, it could start by
setting concrete goals to reduce its environmental impact and provide
(34:59):
more information on a labor practices and supply chain. We
hope that Free People will start working towards truly embodying
the progressive Bohemian values that it claims to represent. I
mean they claim it I'm not. I'm not a consumer
from people, free people. But from the outside that's what
(35:19):
they see. But like, and that's I think what we're
all up again says like we think that someone is
popping or that they're supposed to be sustainable or whatever,
and all they're doing is replacing the tag with recycled cardboard.
So go forth, have swap parties, guys by less, yes,
just by less, get naked, something to sleep naked. You
(35:40):
don't need pajamas, No, you don't need pajamas. Underwear optional too.
I love to not wear truly from my couch. What
about an address? What if you can't tell that I'm
not wearing draws and then I'm staying on the couch.
That dress better be between you and the fabric of
(36:01):
my couch. I would be so pissed if I saw
somebody get up just a bootyprint on the couch, a
sweaty one. Y'all know's couch, right, right? Can we have? Yes?
It is time for us to give some advice to
a lucky Listen up. First, we're going to take a
(36:24):
little break. Alright, welcome back, Um, It's time for us
to give advice to one of our people out there
in the world. Shakira, what do you have for us today?
(36:47):
Dear Ot, I am currently one years old, and I
was living on my own for the last four years
until I got pregnant recently, Congratulations. I figured that it
would be best for me to move out since I
could not raise a baby in my party house that
I was living in. She was living in a party house, okay, okay.
(37:07):
Ever since I moved out, I've been having problems with
my stepdad, oh to the point that I do not
think he wants me to live in the house. I
was thinking about moving out with my mom, but my
family thinks I should move out on my own since
that is what I'm used to. I have a great
relationship with my mom. People basically think we are either
(37:28):
sisters or best friends since we are so close. However,
I have never lived on my own before, and I
know it's going to be me and the baby, but
I am still going to feel alone. Postpartum depression is real,
and I am definitely not trying to experience that with
my first child. Please let me know your thoughts on
this situation and what you guys would do. That's so hard.
(37:51):
I feel like your mom needs to speak up for you.
You need her support with this baby. Not saying you
dump it all on her, but if she can advocate
for you to her husband, that would be what I
think is a key to helping you out, because raising
a baby with another person is hard, especially at the beginning.
(38:11):
So by yourself, I'm sorry, sis, I guess I'm a
little confused as to if the mom and the stepdad
lived together or not. But um, I would say, let's clarify.
Maybe have a conversation with your stepdad because you think
that he doesn't want you to live in the house,
but maybe there's some kind of miscommunication. I don't know
what these problems are, but you know, if that's somewhere
(38:35):
you know that was the first place you went to
at home, Um, maybe seeing if y'all can figure out
what's going on that's not making it a happy house.
And I definitely think if I was in your shoes,
I would probably talk to my mom first to share,
like this is what I'm picking up, Like I'm not
getting good vibe. Can I ask for your support in
(38:56):
helping me with this child and helping me live with
you for a little it so I don't have postpartum depression.
And if the answer is yes, then I would have
your mother mediate a conversation between you and your stepdad.
I don't know if trying to go talk to him
without a mediator will Because do you guys think that
the mom and the stepdad are living together, because it's
(39:16):
at least that's what I gather. Yeah. Yeah, so she's
gonna move out with her mom. So mom's gonna move
out from her husband. No, mom would talk to the
stepdad to be like, I want my daughter to be here,
and mom is supposed to stand up what she said.
I was thinking about moving out with my mom. Oh,
I did see that, but I didn't interpret it that way.
(39:39):
I mean, if mom is separated from stepdad and they're
don't get their own spot, then I highly recommend that
because it seems like the only problem in this situation
is the stepdad and him preventing you from either living
with mom at the house with them together, or just
giving you a bad vibe in general, and you don't
want to you because that's not healthy for her or
(40:02):
the baby to be under stress or uncomfortable in your
living situation and not feel safe, and even just encouragement
if you don't go with this direction and you move
out on your own, I believe in you. Yeah, because women,
we don't always want to be strong when we're fucking strong.
So I hope you have other people who could maybe
(40:24):
pick up some of if you need support, but you
can do it. Yeah, I agree. Finding post to lean
on um is going to be imperative with your first child,
within each child really, but especially your first one. And
also knowing that postpartum is something that people experience for
an array of reasons, and if that does come up,
(40:46):
there are resources out there for you to get help
or to talk to someone what you think about. Yes,
I just I hope your mom has your back. That's
my biggest thing. I really hope that your mom doesn't
choose oh way over you, because I've I've seen it
happen with other folks that I know, where the mom
(41:07):
chose the stepdad, and it's just it's so sad because
it's like, that's You're supposed to be your rock, that's
supposed to be your person, and for them to betray
you in that way would be real shady boots. But
also mom is a human and if she does do that,
and she is still willing to watch the baby occasionally
and still willing to be a part of your life
(41:27):
and the baby. Do not turn that down for your
pride and for her not making a decision that she
should make and you think she should make because she's
a human being and people do stuff that you know,
sometimes women sometimes women yea for love, people make decisions
like that you won't do. I was still saying, will
(41:48):
you try day goo goo? But does everything include dropping
your your child that's pregnant with a newborn for for
dick nah, alright, that we gotta lay off the judgmental
I was gonna say, I agree, but we know human
beings and I don't want her to be like, no,
(42:09):
you didn't you kick me out? Mom, I'm not taking
your help to watch this baby. No, Mom, alright, cool,
watch the baby. You still getting my goddamn nerves, But
I'll take the help. He's taking on my damn nerves. Well,
we wish you the best with your firstborn, and we
would love to hear how you're doing. You know when
you've made your decision, So write us back and let
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us know what's going on with your girl, and if
you want to name the baby Obama's Other Daughters. We'll
take here open to that. And if you're looking for resources,
there's Postpartum Support International at postpartum dot net and they
have resources for help for moms. Just so you know
(42:53):
that you're not alone and that help is available. Best
of luck to you and your little one, y'all. I
really enjoyed this conversation today and learning about what we
can do to better our planet through not contributing as
much to fast fashion. I love that we all, in
our own ways have already started doing that for this conversation, um,
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and we'll probably only get even better. We appreciate y'all.
Tune it in. Thank you so much. Please remember to
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