Manning Sumner: Discipline Is What Saved Me

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It all starts with the conversation that you're having with yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You have to speak life into your.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
World of fitness, entrepreneurship and personal transformation. Manning some there
a founder and CEO of Legacy and no days off
when you feel tired.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
You have to We tell ourselves a lot of things
about stress, and we tell ourselves that if we don't
work all day and kill ourselves and run the ship,
we won't make it. And this idea that you got
to go you got everybody right like that Wilf Walter.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
And literally said no, like said no to doctors, you know.
And it's amazing to me how negative people taught to
themselves like with everything. And I think we all do
it most of the things that I did with super
overweight people.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
As we're Fred Manning, thank you for being on you
versus you. This platform for me is about giving the
opportunity for people to truly look inside right, to truly
understand the power of the mind. And one of the
things I've always been amazed about the ability to push

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your body to the limit is the facing of that fear, right,
the breaking of the laziness of these ideas that we
had and I faced that.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Let me tell you, I went to your gym. I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I was like, you know, but but I found myself
in a really interesting situation because my right hand assistant Danny,
whose birthday is today, So shout out to Danny. But
exactually have everything. But Daddy's super fit, right and I'm
like subpart fit. But I was kicking his ass and
with that, I was And that leads me to my

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first question. Right when somebody sees someone in the fitness industry,
someone who's been.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Able to push their body at the place you are have.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Done only for yourself, but for so many in the
community of legacy and also your you know, high level
A star clients, if they're sitting there saying, hey, I'm unhealthy.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Overweight, but I can't seem to trigger my brain to
take action to want the change and then for it
to direct my.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Body to push through the pain. What do you think
is that trigger?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
What do you teach you know, your students, and what
do you teach the astarsody to start to.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Get that trigger in your mind to push forward? And
it's stay consistent, because that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, Yeah, I mean it's a great question, and I
think that it all starts with the conversation that you're
having with yourself. And so I find that ninety percent
of my former clients future clients, you know, members of
the gym, is that their first conversation they have is

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a negative thought and it's like, I'm tired, I don't
feel like it.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, women, I'm on that period.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like it's like always something that involves an excuse or
a feeling, an emotion, and that's tied to the conversation
that they're having. So the first thing I tell people
is you have to change the conversation that you're having
with yourself. You have to speak life into yourself. When
you feel tired, you have to say out loud to yourself,

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I'm not tired. I got this. I think that people
forget the power of words, Like the power of the
things we tell ourselves are the things we become. So like,
the more positivity you can speak into yourself, eventually that's
going to pay off and it's going to start this
new positive self talker however you want to say it

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to get you to start to be consistent in the
things that you know you want for yourself, but the
lack of positive thinking is causing procrastination, and procrastination causes paralysis,
which then causes you not to be consistent and really anything.
So it's just everything starts with how we speak to

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ourselves everything, And it's amazing to me how negative people
talk to themselves like with everything, and I think we
all do it. I was having a conversation with these
guys the other day of how I heard somebody say,
we're the only one that really cares about what we
look like in the mirror, Like, but think about how
much we care about what we look like in the mirror.
And if you have a zip that pops up, or

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you haven't shaved, or you're wearing an outfit that you
think you don't feel comfortable in, you're so worried about
what everybody else thinks and nobody's even thinking about except
for you. So it's like just getting out of that
that mindset of that everybody else is worried about, you know,
what you look like, when it's really you worrying about it.
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I find it amazing that she just when she eats,
she just makes a mess, and she doesn't care. She
just loves eats and eats her banana and like gets
the peaks and sucks the cheese and makes.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Some mess on herself.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
And I said, that is the truest form of who
we are, idea of humanity with no shame, with no
sense of fake identity or anything thing else. And our
human condition, you know, in society, to me, has been
to program us to feel the shame. It to feel
a shame, to be the truest version of yourself, to

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be a shame, to have the courage to speak out.
I always say, like I admire artists because putting your feelings,
your emotions, and this idea of your identity in a
song and then on stage consistently knowing you're dealing with
whatever you're dealing with creatively and emotionally, because that's where

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great art is drunk for. But that ability to become
this next level superstar comes from the fact that the
very few are the ones that take the risks to
do that right. And so for me, that sense of self,
that sense of becoming like you said, of talking to
yourself and facing the mirror is I would say one
of the hardest things and probably the thing that all
of us as humans are struggling with because of how

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we've been conditioned. Now talking about conditioning in fitness, because
I think it's you know, something I've always wondered myself.
There's a thousand and one ways, and everybody has a
plan on how you're going to get there, right, a routine,
a morning route, a morning routine, and a morning thing.
In your experience, what has been the best way to

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coach someone into the best shape of their lives?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Simplicity first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
You have to get someone to commit to doing something,
not doing a routine that is not achievable for them.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
So, like I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Most of my in the in the early days when
I was an early trainer, most of the things that
I did with super overweight people is walking like it
was walk and talk. I actually saw I don't know
what they're called, memes, reels, whatever they says, you know,
And the guy was talking about how there's going to
be a business soon where and I think there already

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is where people will pay for people to walk with,
talk with and hug you know, like professional huggers. I
think that's a thing. So because of the disconnect we
have now you know, but if you can't get people
to move, then they're never gonna lift weights, do yoga,
do a pit class like. So the first thing is
just get a moving daily and then there's so much

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And we live in Miami. That's another thing too, like
not everybody gets to live in this beautiful place. And
it always cracks me up when people drive, you know,
to the gym to get on a treadmill. Like That's
why our gyms are designed differently. It's not a bunch
of treadmill staring at TVs. It's so important just to
get up and walk outside and enjoy the nature and
get the sun in your face and just connect like

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that and the things and oftentimes with no headphones, no podcasts,
like you versus you by yourself, having those conversations with
yourself speaking life on a walk like that would be
first and foremost. And then for men and women, resistance
training is absolutely critical. I mean, we're seeing so much
more data coming out on the importance of resistance training,

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lifting weights for anti edging, for longevity, for fat loss.
So getting people to lift weights and just again just
give setting up something that works for their schedule, not
throwing too much at them. I'll tell people all the time,
like give me twenty minutes, give me twenty minutes, and
let's do that.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Let's do that for three weeks and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Instead, what I feel like society does and what most
people do, is they give people these three hour routines
with you know, you're gonna eat chicken and broccoli and
that's it and drink water. And they give them these
things what they'll stick with for maybe six days and
then they're like, oh my god, I want to blow
my brains out. So you got to give people a

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chance just to grow into it, you know, not to
just put so much pressure on people.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
So yeah, I mean I think that that's.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
The one struggle, right that every time I think there's
so much information, sometimes too much, that it's too much
much because people are trying all kinds of different things
and therefore not sticking to any consistency of one thing.
And I found myself, you know, I've had a very
strong mind. I say, it's been key to my achievements

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and getting to where I am. But my body, you know,
historically had a couple of issues, a couple of little
iron ol and what I found for myself was the
amount of stress I was carrying at work, the amount
of this idea of responsibility that we you know, it's
a whole lot of false responsibility and stories we tell ourselves,

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just like when we look in the mirror that we say, oh,
you got to say it, and I'm ugly. We tell
ourselves a lot of things about stress, and we tell
ourselves that we don't work all day and if we don't,
you know, kill ourselves and run the ship. We won't
make it. And so historically I've done this business after
twenty three years. So since I was sixteen years old,
I was up running and it caused my body to

(09:58):
start shutting down cause through the roots, no, no, no.
But my doctor said, do you even sleep like your
sleep test shows that you never actually went into ram
like you literally just continue. When I started to say, okay,
this is not sustainable. I'm not going to be able
to have this level of life every single day. My

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body's going to say cool, I'm gonna stop you. Yeah,
and it surely did multiple times. And then as I
was dealing with a lot of stomach issues, my doctor said,
you have the same sensors in your stomach as you
have in your brain, and so your brain tells your
stomach you're in stress, and so it turns your stomach.
Your stomach starts pumping because it thinks it's an emergency,

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and it goes into stress. And then your stomach then
sends those signals back to your brain as pain. And
he said, so you feel your pain tolerance is lowered
because your stomach has sent these signals for such a
long time that your brain thinks is in pain all
the time.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
This is very sensitive to that. So hissterically, I've been great.
I've been good at sports. I like boxing, I have
good I hand coordination. But the first taste of injury
and I'm like, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know interesting really, which is when it's associated with
your gut health.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
It's associated with the gut.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But what was more interesting to me is any other
situation in my life. My mind pushes through my failures,
going broke, like dealing with loss, like it's just pushed
through it, ran through the idea of it. But with
my body there was a disconnect and it wasn't honestly

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until I started to box that I said, I found
the sync between my body and my mind where and
the change of saying okay, stress is the story I'm
telling myself. This idea is is fear that if I
don't do this is gonna come. So I'm actually, okay,
nothing's going to change. I'm going to settle myself that

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I finally started to find a rhythm between my body
and my mind that started to like automatically lose by
automatically like centered itself and bringing.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
The levels out.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
But I've always been you know, back to my first question,
impress at the ability as someone like yourself or an athlete.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Has to push their body all the way.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And that leads me to this mantra that you knows
beautifully in your Cans of No Days Off. Where did
that come from? Why how do you use it on
your daily life? And what is the teachable idea behind
the mantra?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
We call it a motto.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
And the reason why is because a mantra is just
something kind of you yell out, but a moto is
something you can like really apply, you know, it's must
like and it's more business related. You know, at an
early early age, I kind of defeated the body with
the mind. So I broke my back my junior year

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in high school, hairline frash, my l five s one vertebrate.
Doctors told me I'd never walk again, I never played
sports again, and I was like no. I was like,
I do not I you know, I do not claim
that whatsoever, and literally said no, like said no to doctors.

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You know. Obviously I had a prayer warrior mom, and
I prayed a lot, but ultimately I just started to
become like the most fit human being ever, like, from
stretching to lifting and everything they told me not to
do to do it. And then of course I rehabed
myself back and healed myself and ended up you know,
playing football in college and breaking it again.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
But that's a whole another story.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
But I think that was like the first sign of
like me being so mentally strong of I'm not going
to and I'm.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Not gonna let pain defeat me.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And then when I got into the business of training
professional athletes and celebrities and all this stuff, I was
actually training Rico Love and shout out to Rico, and
we just really just hit it off from day one, like,
and he was the type of guy he'd be in
the studio until eight am, and we had a nine
o'clock session and he would be there at nine o'clock,

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you know, never missed, was always consistent. And one day
we were just talking and it was two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, and we were just like, man,
we don't ever take a day off. We won't ever
take a day off. And we didn't mean like we
don't take a day off on work or working out.
We meant like, we just don't ever take a day
off on us, on life, and so it just it

(14:46):
was my Nike just do it moment. I was like,
cause I knew from an early early on that I
wanted like legacy to be my Nike no days off
to be well, at the time, I didn't have no
days off, you know. I needed a tagline, a motto, mantra,
whatever you wanna call it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
And then the.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Piple was my swoosh. And right then it was like
instantly I was like, oh, it's no days off, it's
no days off. So started making T shirts like immediately,
you know, and all that calling the trademark lawyer, you know,
all that, and it we just kept saying it over
and over again and then but then I got pushed back, right,
so everybody's like, you know, you need a rest day.
You know, you know what's wrong with you. You know

(15:23):
this is the wrong message. And I got like literally
hate you know it's right. Twenty ten was when Instagram started.
I got nasty dms like I'm not joking, like nasty
dims from other trainers, like you know, you're preaching the
wrong message. And so then I had to frame it
and it's on the can now. It's no days off.
Is never taking a day off on you. It's a

(15:44):
commitment to becoming your best self. It's never taking a
day off on you. And that means no matter what,
like you're taking your kid to school, you're going to
the beach. Basically, life is a gift, and so when
you're granted life and you get to breathe and you
get to do this and do life with people, then

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you can't take a day off from that, Like you
can't like look at it like, oh today, I'm not
going to do anything, you know, because that it just
doesn't make sense, Like you have to live life and
that might be be in bed all day, okay, but
that's still a decision of you saying today I decide
to do X. And so that's never taken a day

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off on yourself. That's and then what happens is in
my life is that when you don't take a day
off on you, all of a sudden, everyone around you
gets better by a byproduct of you living your best life,
of you being committed to being a better version of
yourself every single day, All of a sudden, the people

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closest to you, people that are attached to you, your employees,
your staff, your partners, your family, They're like, oh, well,
I want to do that too. And then it just
like morphs into this movement which you know now is
kind of going viral, so which you know we still
haven't touched the surface, but it's it's getting somewhere.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I love that concept and it's it's something I definitely share, uh,
and I love now hearing the explanation completely behind it.
I understand why people are embodying it so much and
why your brand is growing the way it is because
we worry about everything else. We're kind to everyone else,
but we're so hard on ourselves. Right to your point

(17:31):
at the beginning, we don't speak kindly to ourselves. We say, well,
I have to work, and I gotta get this going,
and I have to do this, and I have to
have to do this. It's like you actually don't have to,
You're choosing to. And a lot of times the value proposition,
we don't stop to think about it. And that's one
of the things in my life that I got to
say was probably the biggest Wall I hit, which is

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we are taught in this business that it's a lifestyle.
We're taught from the beginning when I started as an intern,
is like no days off, but for real.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
No day Yeah, you know what I mean, Like I
gotta be in the studio in the morning.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
You got to work your ass off every single day.
You want to hustle, somebody else is going to hustle
harder than you. And this idea of taking the bull
by the horns is the only way, which you know,
similar to the guys that Wall Street are taught and
this idea.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
That you got to go, you got everybody right like
that that.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Scene and well in Wolf of Washington, you know what
I mean, Like that idea is how we've been programmed
to run. And I quickly started to find out, but
it really quickly in the sense that I found out
but never did anything towards it until.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Twenty three years later.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I always say it took me forty years to figure
out that I had it, But it's it's.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Part of it, right.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
As part of that journey of thinking, I would say,
if I wouldn't have reached success, maybe I always would
have wondered if I didn't do enough right reaching success.
Now I'm able to like throw the warning side and say, hey, guys,
all these things that we were taught about how to
achieve this quote unquote success is not necessarily taking all
days off on yourself.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
The value proposition.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Of it, and the fear that if I don't do this,
then I won't have the success that I want or
I won't have this comes from this idea that you
earn everything. And I challenged that idea because you said
something that I was really key.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
It's all a gift, right. You don't control your next breath,
You don't own.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It at all at all.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Right, And so if you take the concept you don't
own your own breath, and you take the concept that
there's probably people a lot more talented than you who
are more successful and you and I people sometimes less
quote unquote talented that are more write that too.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
It goes both ways with Instagram.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, it goes both ways.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
The idea is it's all a gift, and really what
you do with your discipline and hard work is you're.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
A shepherd of that gift.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You're a good handler of that gift and understanding the blessing.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
That it is. But it's a gift. Breathing is a gift,
and so the more.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
When I started to apply that into my everyday life
and into how I approach work, one you at first
the quick reaction was like you lose a little bit

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of steam because it's the normal progression of like thinking
I have to do everything in order to be successful,
to understanding that I'm whole and I'm successful even if
everything goes away. But once you settle into that emotion
of like I am actually okay, these circumstances around me,

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it's all how I perceive them will either shape based
on my perception. But the reality is that it's a gift.
So a lot of the biggest things I've done in
my career, when I look back, I walk into an elevator,
artist walks in to the elevator who happened to have
a conversation, and of managing the artist or just becomes huge.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I adn't making money.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I could oft have planned that, right, Yeah, but like
at the moment, you don't understand that because at the moment,
especially how we've been programmed, is no I earned that.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, let me ask you a question though, if to me,
those opportunities though, are gifted and given because of the
attitude that you have in that moment with that individual.
So what I mean is, like I think like the
true definition of being a man is actually servitude.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's like how we're treating people, how we're serving people.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
And so in that moment, I'm just using this example.
You walked in that elevtor and you met that person.
You obviously left a mark on them in a positive
way for them to say, I want you to be
my manager, you know. So there is a little bit
of of.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
There's so many things to that, because yeah, if I
would have had a bad day that day, I probably
would have not come in.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
The same way.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Right the love maybe maybe.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I'm saying so that's a great point, and I'm
actually glad you said it, because that's people used as
an excuse all the time. Right, Oh, I treated that
person that way because I was having a bad day
and the truth is, it's still a decision. Like there
are so many times where I wake up late, my
kid was sick, had a fight with my wife, and

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then I go to work. Does that mean I get
to treat everybody like crap?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
So I think, now to your point, it does still happen,
because we're all human. But yeah, I just I just
think that there's still some you know, correlation between how
you treat people and the success that comes back to you.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So for sure, And I think that all stems from
going back to what we were talking about, understanding you're
perfectly fine. I think ninety five ninety nine percent of
our reactions to say a number come from an.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Idea of a place of fear, place said I'm not okay.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Like I was reading this book that we talk about
a lot in the pod, called The Uncharted Journey, and
I saw that you like to read someone to gift
to them. But Don speaks in the book about this
idea of right or wrong is love and fear. That
you think something feels right to you when you're coming
in in a love and present right, when you're looking

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at something you had a great day, you're like, oh,
my wife said this, Ah, she's just stressed. When you
look at the humanity, which is that we're all going
through something, We're all hurt people trying to figure it
out in a world meant to super magnify that you're
not okay, that you need another car to be great,
that you need the perfect body in the Instagram pictures

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and this and the hundred likes to feel worth it.
So you're walking in with this idea all the time
of this fear that I'm not enough.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
But the reality is where it's just all hurt people.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
So you can see something happen to you and say, Okay,
well it's right to me because I'm in a loving spirit,
But when it's in a fearful spirit. Oh, I can't
believe she said that to me. She probably was thinking
I'm not enough, and doesn't she see that I do
all these things that I worked all the day off.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
And she didn't think none of that. It's just you.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
But it's the idea of it, like, and it's honestly
something that I thought was I had never seen it
in that way, and I've really been like using it
and having a conversation about it to dissect it even more.
But it is this idea to your point that yes,
when that person walked in, if you are sitting in
a loving presence, you're going to affect change. You're going

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to have an open heart to put.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You going to impact them in some certain way. I
always say, leave people better than you found them. One
hundred Like I want to have like when every interaction,
I want somebody to walk up that way and just
kind of be like, you.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Know, what's up with that guy? Like, what's he drinking?
You know?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
So that leads me to back to your injuries. I
think there's this idea that we all have when we
start dreaming about what we want to be, right, and.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
We it's a huge part of our drives. It Like,
we have this.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Idea of wanted to be a professional football player, but
very few people can overcome facing that change when you're like, okay,
well this second injury.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's the killer?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, how was it facing that fear? Right that and
that reality that the maybe the dream of becoming a
football player was no longer going to be.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Your identity is attached to it, right, Like I threw
a football before I could walk, Like I threw a
football out of the crib before I could walk.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It was like my dad played football, my mom went
to you know, Auburn two like you know, big football
Fanily it was a football you know, we grew up
in Alabama. It's about as football as you get. And
everything was surrounded by defensive Player of the year and
news articles and the letters that you got in the

(26:04):
mail from the colleges. And then you finally make it,
and then three years into it, you have a career
ending injury and you literally are absolutely devastated lost.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You have no idea what's gonna like, what's next?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Like none, And so I went from two hundred and
forty pounds to like one eighty five, the smallest I've
been since like eighth grade, and was very depressed. But
it lasted three months. That was about it. It lasted
three months, and about three months into me kind of

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feeling sorry for myself.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
And what am I going to do? And that to a.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Drive like that, even bigger drive than I had before
I played football, like a bigger want and desire to
be something great. And it was like, yes, okay, football
is taken away from me, but I know for a
act that God put me on this earth to make
a difference in the world. So how do you do that?

(27:06):
It goes back to what I said earlier. All Right,
so I got hurt and my career is over. How
can I use this to benefit other people? I'm gonna
learn so much about kinesiology, exercise science, health, promotions, anatomy,
and then I'm going to go train these guys and
teach them how not to hurt themselves. And so I

(27:29):
use that as like my fuel and use the knowledge
that to go help people, because oftentimes when your dream
dies and it's taken away from you, if you look
at it from okay, how can I use my pain
for purpose and apply that to other people? Then all
of a sudden, now I'm getting a reward that I

(27:49):
never even thought existed.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And that's really kind of what happened.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Do you think that's this mental strength right to like
overcome the adversary? Was that something taught to you or
what is that something you felt like you just always
as you were a little kid, you saw that.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I think it was a combination of tough love from
my parents. So my dad was the type of guy
that you know, woke us up at five in the
morning and said hey, you're going for a run. You know,
had us working in the car washes, cleaning out the
you know, we're a hard working family, and my dad
taught us how to be hard working, how to eat right, lift,

(28:23):
I mean I was lifting weights when I was like
like a.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Kid, kid, like little bitty kid. I used to call
the dumbbells dumb bars, look dad, dumbars. You know.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
So it was we were always hard workers and taught
that how to push past pain, to how to go
further than you thought you could go. That was always
something that I remember. I think it was seventh grade
being at mentone, always camp and playing dodgeball and it

(28:51):
was like, you know, forty guys on one side and
forty guys and I remember being the only guy, you
know with the balls and figuring out a way to
get everybody out and winning and like, you know, so
I've always been that kind of guy to like figure
shit out, like I'm going to figure it out. And so, yeah,
I don't even remember what the question was it was.

(29:12):
You know, it's definitely something that I think I was taught,
but then also I experienced and it was something that
I've always had a crazy drive in me. Like that
I'm gonna outwork. Like I remember doing the v O
two max tests in college. It's where they put you
on a tread Have you ever done it? They put

(29:32):
you on a treadmill and they put this mask on
and you fill up these balloons and then they, you know,
test your VO two BAX. And I remember doing it
and going to where the test. Like most people you
go and then like you stop.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
You quit.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
When I did it, they stopped me and and so
then I remember going into class and the professor showing
me everybody and that did the test, and my score
was like like way up here, and he goes, you
screwed up the entire like test that I was trying
to do, and and it was it was because and

(30:09):
it wasn't because I was in the best shape. It
was because I just wasn't going to quit. And I
remember will Smith talking about the treadmill thing and saying
I'd have to die on the treadmill. And I remember
watching him say that, and I really remember going, oh,
I know what that's like, and like that relatability, like going, oh,
I get that, like that's not foreign to me, you know,
And I think people there's certain people that actually walk

(30:31):
around thinking like that. And I feel like I'm one
of those people that just it's like crazy talk, you know,
like it's like we we really think that we can
do anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So I don't know where that comes from.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, I found that like even in my personal life.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
And I want to ask you about this because, as
I always said, we have.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
A stronger muscle, you know, like there's things that we
got to develop, Like that's muscle. That's why life placed
us and gifted us, you know, the leadership of the roles.
We have the things that we've been able to have,
but with that always comes the weakness.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Right if you look back.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
At your childhood and you say, okay, well my father
was super hard on me, and a lot of the
things that have made me who I am today, like
pushing through the treadmill, come from that work environment. Is
there things that having that to love? Also, you feel
like you missed, You feel like they created traumas they

(31:27):
created for sure, I.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Think you so when you deal with like tough love
in the beginning, you come from college football where your
coaches are constantly yelling at you, cussing at you, demeaning you,
saying you're not good enough. What happens is now, all
of a sudden, in your relationships and your businesses, you
start acting like you think that that's how you lead.

(31:51):
You think you lead from yelling. You think you lead
from always leading by example, and like I'm just going
to show everybody how hard I can work, and and
then and then having these crazy expectations for the people
that are working for you or relationships, like just not
understanding a different love language person uh, personal drive, like

(32:15):
and not not even understanding it and not even wanting
to understand it. So that was definitely a learning lesson,
you know, to as you get older, you're like, wait
a minute, what this? Like this doesn't work, you know,
like yelling at people doesn't work, you know, like and
and not trying to get on the other side and
understanding someone else's perspective, that doesn't work. So until I

(32:37):
really got into reading and and and relationships meaning you know,
even with women and business and just you know, growing
as an individual having more relationships. You know that when
you have a business, all of a sudden, you're you know,
you're dealing with this investor, You're dealing with this, so
you're having to like really learn how to how to
manage people and how to know how to not react

(33:00):
but respond, and how to everybody can and also personal training.
Also personal training was something that took me from being
this hard nosed coach that I'm gonna drive people on
the ground and I'm gonna make them the best they've
ever been to Okay, that's one way to do it,
but this person doesn't respond to me yelling at all.

(33:23):
They actually respond to me putting my arm around them
and encouraging them and loving on them. Well, wait a minute,
that works too, and then all of a sudden you
start to go okay, well, and then this person needs
a little bit of both. So that made me a
better coach and a better trainer and a better leader
and a better boss and a better you know, better husband.
And like my wife, she was like the best at

(33:47):
it because I call her my calm to my storm
because she never reacted to to the craziness.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
And then I was like, well wait a minute, and
this is new, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Because all my other exes were like nothing, you know,
fire on fire. You know, it was like, let's go this.
So my wife was like, you know, I don't do that,
you know, and then I was like, well, this is
kind of cool, and then it was so lovely you know,
to experience and then it and then you apply it,
you know, you start to like, wait a minute, I'm
not gonna react anymore. I'm gonna actually like take in

(34:21):
this energy that I'm receiving and let it digest a
little bit. And then and again I say this because
some people watching them probably, oh, he hasn't changed something.
It's I'm not perfect still, and I'm still Like even
my lawyer today made a comment that, uh, Manning's temper
and he literally said it like that, and I was like,
wait a minute, about five years old, Like, it's not

(34:42):
a it's I wouldn't say I wouldn't describe it as that.
It's an intensity that I think people are not used to.
I don't think it's an excuse I can't say when
people are like, oh, I'm just passionate. So that's why
I act like a nut. But it's not that it's
like I'm gonna be intense with whatever I'm doing that

(35:02):
I feel like I need to if it's too you know,
if we.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Got to go further, if that makes sense, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
So do you think that that intensity or this idea,
the story that I need to be intill that it
comes from just the feeling as a kid that if
you didn't do enough, then you know, it was the
way to earn.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
The love, right.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
It was like you have to go really hard in
order to like feel like I'm making my dad proud.
And I say that because you know, people see all
the things that I've accomplished, and one of the things
that I've struggled with my whole life was the story
of feeling like I wasn't enough. And it came from
and as I've met a lot of really successful people

(35:44):
with very tough parents, there's this really interesting correlation to that,
which is like they have this amazing drive, they have
this push to you know, will include it like this
push to go the first this but the dad relationship
always created that I'm not really enough. So it's like

(36:07):
a supplement that the drive came from I got to
make him proud in order to earn And then when
we at least in my life, when I've tried to
apply that into the relationships or apply that into a
working environment, the expectation is that and then people end
up feeling.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Like, oh, I have to be this person that it.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Is not really who I am in in order for
Lex to love me right, and I want Lex to
love me because he's so great in my eyes, and
then it creates that right. And it took me a
whole lot of internal work to first find out what
it was, because at first I was like, why is
this this? Like, no matter how much I do, I

(36:45):
always feel this like void, you know. And then as
I started to face it, I went back like historically
in my life in the moments that this, you know,
weakness or trauma would be brought up to the light,
I was like, oh wow, like it was there, it
was here, it was there, And then I was like,
oh my god. It started from that moment. Started from

(37:07):
that again that I just felt that if I didn't
do this, I wasn't enough. And it caused me, I think, historically,
in my career and in my personal life, a lot
of the heartache because there's nothing worse I think as
a human that to feel that you're missing something.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
It's interesting because I've I've had a lot of guests
come here and say I don't I don't face the
wale with fear. And when you look at how we
look at enough. It comes from fear, because it comes
from the idea that you have to do something else
in order to leave something for my kids. So now

(37:48):
I'm doing it for my kids. Doing it for my
kids is saying that you have to do something in
order for your kids to have something that you have,
which is is just a story because the reality is
you don't control your own breath, so you actually don't
control that either, and they might not want what you have.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
They might not want like so many.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Kids of really successful people say, hey, I actually don't
want the mansion in the house and all these things.
I want to go be a hippie, right right.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Be an idea. But but the fear or the stress.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Or the even the idea in my life, I can't
you know, I'm just giving you my perspective. Course, but
in my life, this idea that I was like, I
want to be intense to push through because I got
to push my staff to go is the idea that that.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Is the only way that this.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Is going to happen, and that that doesn't happen, I
didn't accomplish my goal, and.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Therefore fear kicked it.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Because it's the idea of it, and that's the That's
why I said that the biggest challenge for us as
successful people is this idea of And.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I'll give you the perfect question.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
We've been taught to be a wave because that's how
you move life forward. My spiritual leader uses this and
so we I use it a lot. You've been taught
your whole life to be a wave. A wave has power,
has direction, It perseveres right, a wave of tidle.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Wave can swallow whatever it's in.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
This way problem with a wave is two days it
looks to the left. Now wonders will I be a
title wave or will it be a small wave? Will
people surf on me? Or am I going to be
like the one that they laugh at because oh they're
waiting for the next one. But most importantly, and knows
it's going to break. It knows that. So the whole

(39:31):
time that is building this momentum, it builds over dad
and we all have it, especially as successful people. Get
everything is dependent like our success is part of this
drive and that gives us the confidence, the trophy that
says you're right right, you are right you. This is
the way to teach people because I mean people should

(39:53):
be like you. They should be accomplishing and ruling the
world and giving back to other people and you.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, not everybody, I mean, but I don't view life
as everybody should be like me. I actually think I'm unique.
I mean, you're a unique. No, and we're not normal,
and we have that muscle to ours.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
But the thing he said that I thought was amazing
was like the likes you're the ocean, you can make
another wave, And.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
The trueness of life.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Is to sit in the fact that you're the ocean
without the idea that you need waves.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Because what our kids have.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Is that they're not thinking I need to go do something.
They're not thinking I have to rule the world, or
I have to build something I have to create, or
I need people to do this, or I have to
go help my brother or my sibling.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
They're just especially in those.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Early years before we've started to teach them these ideas
and these boxes, they are at the purest Oh, they're complete.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
And that idea of being the ocean in a world
where it's just been taught, like every guest that I've
had on were to become successful and taught to be
a wave.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
The intensity to wake up the.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Going off right, But very few times we've been taught
no days off on yourself.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
You're actually okay.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
You're nothing has to change in your life for you
to feel like you're worth it, or feel like you're good,
or feel like you're in the process. But it's a
hard concept swallow because it takes facing those parts of
you that don't fit the image of where you've created.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Doesn't fit the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It doesn't feel how people are clapping you or the
money that you've gained, right, It's just it wasn't correlate
we look at at least I did. I was like,
I'm special. Look at this. This tells me I'm special. Right,
But yet I can go sit in my office and
tell you I don't feel enough and that's the yeah,

(42:19):
that's you versus you. Yeah, I mean again, I just
I don't think I ever have like for me. I
don't think I sit around and say I'm not enough,
you know, like and my my goals, you.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Know when I say when I say like, I'm building
a legacy for my kids, And it's not like again,
that's it's the love you have, like, it's it's it
that that goes back to the love you have for
your kids. It's not it's not like a like I
have to thing. It's like, you know you love you know,
you love your kids, like like it's a kind of

(42:57):
love that you've you don't even you can't explain, Like
you cannot.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Explain the love you have for your kids.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So it's it's not a that I have to do this,
it's that you want to do it. Regardless of that
if they can again to your point, they can turn
eighteen and be like I'm going to you know, the
beach and surfing all all for the rest of my life,
which is fine, but it doesn't mean that that doesn't
drive you to a certain extent, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
So talking about legacy, well, what do you want your
legacy to be? And is legacy important to you?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I mean it is for me. I mean I've never
really understood why people say, you know, legacy. I mean
I've heard some of my like like people that I
really admire say legacy doesn't mean shit, and like, you know,
and I'm like, what do they say?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You know?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
So it's like my whole I was like, come on,
don't bash the name. For me, it's it is, it
is life like a guest the other day, this guy
named Tristan, child of Tristan, he said, Uh, he tells
his staff all the time, like who's your great great grandfather?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, and most of them are like, I don't know,
you know.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
So for me it's kind of cool to again, it
doesn't matter, and I get that, I understand.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
We are we are.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You know, a flick of dust come you know in
the universe or whatever, it's not doesn't mean anything, but
it means something to me. It means something that you
know that hopefully when I think one and fifty years later,
you know, somebody says, hey, that guy made an impact
on the world in a way that other people didn't.

(44:35):
For me, it's I love the movie pay It Forward, Yeah,
and just love the whole concept and and just the
impact that one person can have on the world.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Like that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Like, you know, so just to be able to do
something that has a ripple effect that does create a wave,
but it ripples across the world in a positive way,
that's something that I mean, I believe in, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I mean I think that the the and I want
to add some clarity for anyone listening the wanting and
dreaming is an important part of who we are as people,
right like you need waves to move the ocean. Right still,
water becomes poisonous water, it's good to have it. I
think the key of the teaching is find your place

(45:27):
of why, your whole right like, find that not even
why is you're the wholeness on where you're coming from
and why are you're doing it and be able to say, Okay,
am I perceiving myself to do this because I'm trying
to not face something right or dealing with something or
it's really generally I want and it's okay to want
great things for your family. I want great things for

(45:48):
my family. I love what I've done in the business,
and I'm passionate about the projects that I've been able
to build and that passion like I always say, I
think I won't never be a retired person that's just
sitting at home doing nothing like that. It's not who
I am, It's not how I'm build and that's beautiful.
What I've started to change is the how I look

(46:10):
at things in order to understand am I trying to
fulfill this void? Or am I holding that place? And
it's coming from a genuine place of I want that.
It's okay to work hard, it's okay to leave a legacy,
it's okay to have money, it's okay to go after
your dreams. Dreams are necessary. Waves are necessary. It's just

(46:30):
how we look at the reason why we're doing that
wave or why we becoming that way for that certain thing.
And sometimes it happens swallow us sometimes, Like I always say,
you'll buy a car, and you think, now I need
to get the car, and you get rushed and you
get upsets with the car, and you get the car,
and the.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Universe will give you the car. God will give you
the car.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Then you get in the car you're driving and somebody
pulls off next to you in another car, and like
a damn.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I like that car more, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
And then you start realizing there's things that you've acquired
to fill holds and we all have them right right.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I think that's the thing that it's key to say
is no one, even the biggest highest spiritual leaders in
our world are not arrived. No one has arrived at
the final decision piece of it. We all have something.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
That is created.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Like I when I was thirty years old, and I
was like going through this mid life change in my life.
I saw a speaker talk about the concept of the box,
the prisoners that we live in, and they said, when
we are born, you were kind of like this free form.
Then your parents come in and they start creating a box.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
That box is like, hey, don't do that, that's bad. Hey,
by the way, wake up at five in the morning. Hey,
better go to the racetrack. Like you know, raciness is life.
Look at it, look at the determination. That's how successful
people look like like or sometimes it's just like there's
people that are lazy. There's parents that are like, hey,
it's okay, don't do your homework.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
It is, right, but this box gets created, and your
identity is super tight into this box. Your idea of
right or wrong is super tight into this box. You
now have all these personal lessons that start becoming your filter.
Now as part of.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
That, you grow fierce as you're a kid.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
For some it's like I'm I'm afraid of snakes, or no,
I don't want to write that because I don't want
people to think of me something.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Every person grows a different one, right, and somewhere in
that there's trauma, and trauma starts happening right like your
mom says something mad and you think it can affect you,
But actually that thing dig deep and you got deep
into it. And he said, you go into school and
you start meeting other kids and you realize, ah, their

(48:47):
parents are divorced. Maybe marriage is not really a thing
that has to happen, Like we don't have to be mad.
So then a little courtner starts chipping away. Then you
go to church, and church starts teaching a bunch of things.
But you also start noticing a lot of things because
you're sitting in a room full of humans.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Bring through their life experience.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
So you're like, oh, another corner here, and you start
building this box. Now the box starts getting reshaped by
these new.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Lessons and these new ideas.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
He said, somewhere around your thirties, you walk by a
mirror and you say, who am I? He said, Most
people just walk away. The question is can you sit
in there and look at the reality of everything.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
You learn in your life and challenge it, not.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
For better or if it worse, for the sake of
what if everything I think of it as right is wrong?
And how do I visit that again from the understanding
that it's all my perspective.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
If you look at the box of your life right
and you say, here are three attributes of it that.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I think are defined to why I've been able to
accomplish the things I've been able to accomplish. And here
are three things that life and God have been bringing
up that I just have in faced.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
What would that be?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I mean when I hear you describe like stuff like that,
I feel like I was a box destroyer at an
early age because I was always the you know, the
kid that questioned everything and wanted to be different from.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Like early early on, like really earlier, you.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Know, from the way I dress, from the things I liked,
was always like very different than than.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
How I grew up, you know, like I was.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, And if you would
have saw like some of the things I wore and
the things I like, you would have thought I was.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Like from La where you like hip hop.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, like I was just you know, like I was
the kid that like wore my pants backwards to you know,
class and you know, wre suspenders and wore different different
shoes like, you know, just always pushing the envelope and
just being different. I just always wanted to be different.
I never wanted to like be with the crowd. So

(51:01):
I feel like I challenged the boxes early on, even
with my parents, you know, like I'll never forget my
parents took me to a to a psychiatrist. I mean,
they still crack up at this story. And the psychiatrists
brought them in and said, uh, yeah, he's not the problem,
you are. They hate it when I tell that.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Story, but but.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah, exactly, they're the best.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
But I would say the thing probably that I struggle
with the most is being that I'm a you know,
Jesus follower, and I believe in God and believe in
faith so much that you do you do toy with
like all this worldly stuff that we do. It's like
is it really worth it? You know, because it's like

(51:43):
if you truly believe that your treasures are in heaven
and that you're going to heaven and that that's what
that's what it like, none of this matters, like because
that's technically what the Bible says basically. Then it's like
sometimes I do struggle with like how do you separate that?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
You know?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
But then talk you know, I'm really close to my
pastor and you're talking. I mean, you're doing the Lord's
work on earth if you are treating people, you know,
the right way and impacting the world in a positive way.
So you know that you kind of but I would
say that's definitely something that I think about. It's like
is it really worth it? Like you know, but then again,
it's like what are you gonna do? When are you
going to just stop and be a monk? Like you

(52:21):
know that they feel like that's already passed. Like I
have kids, Like can't really go backwards to that. I
can't just say no to my family be like, hey,
I decided to be a monk.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
I've been. Both of us would be good ones.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
We got we got the zen, like I think we can.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
A picture of like four months that. Yeah, my dad
would be very proud for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
You also have other hidden desires, right Like I own gyms,
I own a beverage company, I own a parel company.
But I absolutely love music, like love it with a passion,
like like like crazy, Like you're kind to ask my wife,
like that's all I want to do is listen to
me and my daughter. Already I can tell loves music,

(53:02):
so it's really cool. But like I always think about,
like what could I do in music?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
And then I have all these friends also that are
big time in music, So that's something you I'm a writer,
like you also like have these things that you want
to accomplish that you put on the back burner because
you're building the brand and you know, you're trying to
make money for the family or trying to grow this
company and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
So yeah, that would be the stuff that.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I find myself thinking about, you know that that consumes
my mind and not in a not in a driven
like I need more waves in my life, but in
a like, am I man, I'm forty seven years old?
Am I wasting certain talents and gifts that God gave
me that otherwise I could be.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Using if I wasn't so you know doing this? Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I can relate to that.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I think that's the place where I'm at right now,
right where you know still people going from an entrepreneur
to a CEO is two different things, right, And I
learned that the hard way. I was like, ah, SEO,
stuff is spitting and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna
build the company and do this whole thing, and you know,
raise a bunch of money and Lord blow.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
It and blah blah blah blah, and and then.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
You get to sit in the CEO chair and you
start saying, Oh my god, what what am I doing?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Where's all the fun stuff? Where was the creative?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I go to have like meeting after meeting after meeting,
and go through finances and boards and and like look
at legalities and be with the lawyers all the time
and get in you were just like you know, and
and my personal journey and personal career, I've reached a
place where I the value proposition really starts waving right,
and this idea of tomorrow is just not really promised.

(54:52):
That started to sink in and say, well, how many
of the things I've waited for for these ideas of
like I've had to But as we're coming to the
end of the podcast, I got two more things right.
The first one is if you could trade it all
for one thing, what.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Would it be?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
And when you say trade it all, like everything that's
a family, all the work related.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
All the work relates, trade it all for for something
else or just I mean, I guess it goes back
to like what I said earlier, if I could trade
it all and be like in a difference, it would
be like something in music, you know, it would be
like like always, I'm the type of guy that like
I cry watching like American Idol and and like, you know,

(55:38):
America's got talent, you know what I mean. So it's
like yeah, maybe something like that. Yeah, And not for
fame or anything, but for creative like being a true
like artist, you know, like being in you know, basically
your world.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
But Mannie, thank you for being a part of the show.
Course we end the show every every time with an exercise.
As we've spoken about throughout the whole show. You know,
words are powerful, yes, and like we said, we tend
to be kinder to other people than we are to ourselves. You,
you know, have shown the strength in using words to
encourage yourself, so this challenge will be probably easier for

(56:15):
you than it is for most. What is one word
or one phrase that not manning the CEO, not manning
the but manning the human needs to hear right now
that would change how your mind and your body perceive
the rest of this week, the rest of today, the
rest of the.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Year now faith is the substance of things hope for
the evidence of things unseen.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Awesome, Yeah, awesome, Manning, Well, thank you for being a
part of the show. You know, we'd love to have
you back and know that we're gonna get to go
do yours as well. I'm excited to share conversation the
other way around, but you're welcome here anytime, And honestly,
I thank you for having the courage of opening up.
You know, I think most people don't talk about these

(57:03):
things in these formats, and for me it was a
special of reach it and touching different parts of what
what we call taking the cape off our heroes in
order to show the reality and inspire people to start
living the life that they dream of.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
So thank you, brother, appreciate.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
You, bro, thank you, Thank you you.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
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