An anti-incumbent movement may have gotten Trump elected twice, is this along with California ineptitude ushering in an anti politician movement?? Might this be the ultimate legacy of Trumpism?? We discuss this with senior contributor Dave Zanotti.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning show with Michael del Choono.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Has this anti incumbent outsider movement is it now shifting
to an anti politician movement? And what will be the
future in California. We documented some six hundred thousand have
mass exited the state in the last two years. That's
about the size of the Tulsa Metro. That's like I'm
losing a city within a state. And for those that
(00:28):
will be leaving because of this, and then for those
who will be staying, how differently might they view who
they vote for and what their passion and focus is
versus you know, having the basics down, Pat, I think
it's worth talking about because it could be the ultimate
Trump legacy, which isn't the continuation of Republican trump Ism
(00:49):
as much as anti politicians, David, something's bruined, something's reshaping.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What are you seeing? Yeah, Michael, And it's a good
point you're bringing up. It's been around for a long
time time. Let's go back to California as an example.
About twelve years ago, the media began to very quietly
and in just a few places, reveal the strategy of
the Democrat Party, basically funded by the radical Progressive Billionaires,
(01:15):
which was led by a guy named Rory roy Tierra.
Roy Tierra and his colleagues decided to put together a
political strategy to make California a one party state. Their
theory was, there's no use to having Republicans any longer
because they can't get a majority of anything, So let's
just drive them out of the state and let's just
(01:36):
do everything that we want to do and quit worrying
about the minority. And so they did, and that's now,
interestingly enough, two years ago Roy Tierra left California and
went to work for a conservative think tank and has
acknowledged out loud that it was a disastrous mistake.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So when this is all said and done, you're gonna
have those who leave, and I think they'll be a
wave leaving because of this incompetence, and then there'll be
a wave stay. They're not going to view things to
say purple at best. Maybe, well, let's do this by comparison.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Here in Florida, where we have an office, you have
an perpetual realm of hurricanes that are natural disasters that
are now baked into the mindset of the people who
choose to stay in Florida. And what's happened is people
are leaving the coastlines of Florida in high risk properties
because they can't get insurance and they're moving inland. But
(02:27):
their people are not abandoning Florida. Now there are fewer
people coming in, which is really great news for the
people of Florida because they've got plenty of people. They're
not the third largest state in the country. But the
difference is one group accepts the reality that there's disasters
that are a part of a climate that they live
in and aggressively moves to mitigate against them and to
(02:47):
figure out how to live with the problem. And they're
fighting their way through. But in California they will amendon.
Because you've got one state that's based on political incompetence
and one party dominance and really thoughtlessness and another state
where people are trying to solve problems. Doesn't make Florida
a better place than California. It's just a different place
and you have different results. Michael Rappaport, the actor, said,
(03:10):
are you kidding me? You want to make our state
trump proof when you should be making it fireproof. You know,
and I always bring up that there was a British
accent guy that used to fill in for Rush all
the time, and I can't remember his name to save
my life right now, Mark Stein, Mark Segin.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. And he was also in the Social Network, which
was the Mark Zuckerberg story, and he played the president
of Harvard University when the Winklevoss twins came in to
make their appeal and they had memorized this thing in
the Harvard Code of Conduct, and he says, and you
were doing this when you should have been doing what
It's a great line. And for everyone in California, you know,
(03:49):
you get dry conditions. You know, you get Santa Ana wins.
You know, you lose hundreds of acres, if not thousands
of acres in these fires, and you let reservoirs go empty.
You didn't do any kind of changes to electrical wiring
systems or to forestry to get rid of fire hazards.
And I think everybody's looking at that and having a debate.
And then yesterday, while everything is still on fire, while
(04:13):
people are with twenty one thousand structures, business and homes lost,
their life, work lost, all their processions lost, and you're
passing fifteen million dollars to be Trump proof. I mean,
you always use expression read the room, and I use
expression tone deafness. This is this is breathtaking.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know that you could come up with any
case in recent history this bad.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, it's interesting, Michael, because every part of our country,
every region of our country, has life threatening natural disaster challenges.
The question is when politics becomes so much about parties
and power and not about problem solving, you end up
in a situation where you get caught. And that's what
California has been getting caught in a series of these
(04:57):
types of situations, and they've only gone and tact farther
and farther and farther to the extreme. Now where we're
going to see this play out the most? Isn't it
an anti incumbent fervor. It's in an anti party ferver.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you know you hate that I make predictions, But
you know I said, ah, I know this one. Well, yeah,
I mean I said one or both parties have be
gone by the end of the decade. I think for
the Republicans, we're now halfway through the decade, so the
view gets I said this at the turn of the decade.
But you know, we're halfway through. Now that may be
the Republican Party gone in terms of it has morphed
(05:32):
into Trumpism, which is warped into Americanism. All right, So
in an essence as a partisan party, it may have
shifted and gone. But you know, the Democrat Party has
been at war with itself. There's a civil war in
the party with the Justice Democrats, and they don't target Republicans.
Their first goal, like AOC is the greatest example, and
they brag about it online. They picked this bartender to
(05:52):
take down a ten term Democrat member of Congress because
why they want to take over the party for then
they want to eliminate the electoral college. Then they want
to dismantle the republic But their first step is to
take over the party. But this kind of inept leadership
or what I would call poor passion and focus. If
(06:16):
you can't get the fundamentals of what government should be
doing right, you don't have the luxury of dei you know,
the luxury of men playing women's sports and some of
these other silly arguments when you can't keep the stake.
I mean, this is obviously an out of control fire
still in southern California, but this is a statewide political fire,
and I don't think we know what the state politically is.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Going to look like once the fire's out. That's a
great we don't. It is very good. Now it can
go one of two ways. People can't survive in cast
so they will either move toward authoritarianism and it'll get worse,
or they'll basically start over again and to return to
first principles of civil liberty and personal responsibility. The choices
haven't changed any in about three hundred years. So this
(06:56):
is what they the same question. Second largest city, fourth
largest city.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I can go through the major markets in California and
the largest populist state. I mean, there was a time
Florida was blue. There was a time Florida was a
swing state. Florida's now solid red. You lose California, what
do you got? And there's a lot online for the Democrats.
You think they play it smarter than this. Well, see
(07:23):
here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And you know this, and it's an important way to
discuss that, I think for others that perhaps are just
in the process of discovery that there is no Democrat Party.
The Democrat Party has been hollowed out over the last
twenty years by the billionaires Club of the Progressive movement,
and they pay the bills. So if you want to
be a democrat and you want to make a living,
you do what Sorows and Company and put Esta in
(07:45):
Company tell you to do. That's the only pathway of
the future. Kamala Harris is a perfect example. That's the
only way up into their system. And everybody else, like
labor unions and all these other folks at teachers unions,
they're just window dressing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And the party no longer exists, and nor does its
narratives exist or the people that provide those narratives at
the cabal table.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
will miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del Churno.
Previously on your Morning show with Michael del Choono.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Has this anti incumbent outsider movement is it now shifting
to an anti politician movement? And what will be the
future in California. We documented some six hundred thousand have
mass exited the state in the last two years. That's
about the size of the Tulsa Metro. That's like I'm
losing a city within a state. And for those that
(00:28):
will be leaving because of this, and then for those
who will be staying, how differently might they view who
they vote for and what their passion and focus is
versus you know, having the basics down, Pat, I think
it's worth talking about because it could be the ultimate
Trump legacy, which isn't the continuation of Republican trump Ism
(00:49):
as much as anti politicians, David, something's bruined, something's reshaping.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What are you seeing? Yeah, Michael, And it's a good
point you're bringing up. It's been around for a long
time time. Let's go back to California as an example.
About twelve years ago, the media began to very quietly
and in just a few places, reveal the strategy of
the Democrat Party, basically funded by the radical Progressive Billionaires,
(01:15):
which was led by a guy named Rory roy Tierra.
Roy Tierra and his colleagues decided to put together a
political strategy to make California a one party state. Their
theory was, there's no use to having Republicans any longer
because they can't get a majority of anything, So let's
just drive them out of the state and let's just
(01:36):
do everything that we want to do and quit worrying
about the minority. And so they did, and that's now,
interestingly enough, two years ago Roy Tierra left California and
went to work for a conservative think tank and has
acknowledged out loud that it was a disastrous mistake.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So when this is all said and done, you're gonna
have those who leave, and I think they'll be a
wave leaving because of this incompetence, and then there'll be
a wave stay. They're not going to view things to
say purple at best. Maybe, well, let's do this by comparison.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Here in Florida, where we have an office, you have
an perpetual realm of hurricanes that are natural disasters that
are now baked into the mindset of the people who
choose to stay in Florida. And what's happened is people
are leaving the coastlines of Florida in high risk properties
because they can't get insurance and they're moving inland. But
(02:27):
their people are not abandoning Florida. Now there are fewer
people coming in, which is really great news for the
people of Florida because they've got plenty of people. They're
not the third largest state in the country. But the
difference is one group accepts the reality that there's disasters
that are a part of a climate that they live
in and aggressively moves to mitigate against them and to
(02:47):
figure out how to live with the problem. And they're
fighting their way through. But in California they will amendon.
Because you've got one state that's based on political incompetence
and one party dominance and really thoughtlessness and another state
where people are trying to solve problems. Doesn't make Florida
a better place than California. It's just a different place
and you have different results. Michael Rappaport, the actor, said,
(03:10):
are you kidding me? You want to make our state
trump proof when you should be making it fireproof. You know,
and I always bring up that there was a British
accent guy that used to fill in for Rush all
the time, and I can't remember his name to save
my life right now, Mark Stein, Mark Segin.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. And he was also in the Social Network, which
was the Mark Zuckerberg story, and he played the president
of Harvard University when the Winklevoss twins came in to
make their appeal and they had memorized this thing in
the Harvard Code of Conduct, and he says, and you
were doing this when you should have been doing what
It's a great line. And for everyone in California, you know,
(03:49):
you get dry conditions. You know, you get Santa Ana wins.
You know, you lose hundreds of acres, if not thousands
of acres in these fires, and you let reservoirs go empty.
You didn't do any kind of changes to electrical wiring
systems or to forestry to get rid of fire hazards.
And I think everybody's looking at that and having a debate.
And then yesterday, while everything is still on fire, while
(04:13):
people are with twenty one thousand structures, business and homes lost,
their life, work lost, all their processions lost, and you're
passing fifteen million dollars to be Trump proof. I mean,
you always use expression read the room, and I use
expression tone deafness. This is this is breathtaking.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't know that you could come up with any
case in recent history this bad.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, it's interesting, Michael, because every part of our country,
every region of our country, has life threatening natural disaster challenges.
The question is when politics becomes so much about parties
and power and not about problem solving, you end up
in a situation where you get caught. And that's what
California has been getting caught in a series of these
(04:57):
types of situations, and they've only gone and tact farther
and farther and farther to the extreme. Now where we're
going to see this play out the most? Isn't it
an anti incumbent fervor. It's in an anti party ferver.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you know you hate that I make predictions, But
you know I said, ah, I know this one. Well, yeah,
I mean I said one or both parties have be
gone by the end of the decade. I think for
the Republicans, we're now halfway through the decade, so the
view gets I said this at the turn of the decade.
But you know, we're halfway through. Now that may be
the Republican Party gone in terms of it has morphed
(05:32):
into Trumpism, which is warped into Americanism. All right, So
in an essence as a partisan party, it may have
shifted and gone. But you know, the Democrat Party has
been at war with itself. There's a civil war in
the party with the Justice Democrats, and they don't target Republicans.
Their first goal, like AOC is the greatest example, and
they brag about it online. They picked this bartender to
(05:52):
take down a ten term Democrat member of Congress because
why they want to take over the party for then
they want to eliminate the electoral college. Then they want
to dismantle the republic But their first step is to
take over the party. But this kind of inept leadership
or what I would call poor passion and focus. If
(06:16):
you can't get the fundamentals of what government should be
doing right, you don't have the luxury of dei you know,
the luxury of men playing women's sports and some of
these other silly arguments when you can't keep the stake.
I mean, this is obviously an out of control fire
still in southern California, but this is a statewide political fire,
and I don't think we know what the state politically is.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Going to look like once the fire's out. That's a
great we don't. It is very good. Now it can
go one of two ways. People can't survive in cast
so they will either move toward authoritarianism and it'll get worse,
or they'll basically start over again and to return to
first principles of civil liberty and personal responsibility. The choices
haven't changed any in about three hundred years. So this
(06:56):
is what they the same question. Second largest city, fourth
largest city.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I can go through the major markets in California and
the largest populist state. I mean, there was a time
Florida was blue. There was a time Florida was a
swing state. Florida's now solid red. You lose California, what
do you got? And there's a lot online for the Democrats.
You think they play it smarter than this. Well, see
(07:23):
here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
And you know this, and it's an important way to
discuss that, I think for others that perhaps are just
in the process of discovery that there is no Democrat Party.
The Democrat Party has been hollowed out over the last
twenty years by the billionaires Club of the Progressive movement,
and they pay the bills. So if you want to
be a democrat and you want to make a living,
you do what Sorows and Company and put Esta in
(07:45):
Company tell you to do. That's the only pathway of
the future. Kamala Harris is a perfect example. That's the
only way up into their system. And everybody else, like
labor unions and all these other folks at teachers unions,
they're just window dressing.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And the party no longer exists, and nor does its
narratives exist or the people that provide those narratives at
the cabal table.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
will miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del Churno.
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