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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning show with Michael del cho.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, where where can my general be?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The plane took him away from me?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Where are you somewhere in the world?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Where are you? Is it night tomorrow? Yesterday?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
It is like a four o'clock in the afternoon in
European Armenia, Armenia.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Boy, to have your frequent fire miles. All right, there's
so much talk about terriff wars.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Actually, I drove here. I drove here from Georgia. That
was an experience.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Wow. Is that even safe?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Uh? Well, yeah, I mean physically it's safe. I mean,
uh going over the mountains of the snow.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, that's what I meant by save. I would imagine
that's tough terrain. All right, let's talk about not terriff wars,
but war wars. And let's start with one part that
I agree with and then one part I'm curious about.
So Donald Trump made a crystal clear yesterday. Iran cannot
be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. That's non negotiable.
They are the most predictable threat, not just to the
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region but to the world. They are on the offensive,
meaning if they had a weapon of mass destruction, they
would use it diplomatically or they would use it physically.
That's part of their worldview. So it is a predictable,
obvious threat. Giving them the ultimate weapon would be massively
destabilizing for the world. So that's a no brainer. Now
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what's Iran's response Saturday?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, so here's the problem with that. When you say, well,
they can't have a nuclear wep, what does that mean?
So Obama said it, Well, it means the nuclear deal,
which of course JPCOA, which actually didn't at all and
actually empowered them in creating a bomb. So the details matter, right,
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I mean, personally, I think should have no nuclear processing.
They should have to return all the highly enriched uranium
that they have, and you know we should and they should.
We should have restrictions on their ballistic missiles and other programs.
But but but that's me. But the other thing is
is I don't think a deal should just be about nuclear.
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They almost burned Israel to the ground by funding terrorists
in Syria, Lebanon, Yeah, Gaza, strip unleash, letting Alan out
of jail with a normalization, what are they going to
do with all that money? And if they're just going
to go back to giving it to the who theis
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to fight the American six fleet. You know, I don't
think we're better off, So I agree with the president
nuclear weapons and they're on non negotiable. But you know,
we haven't see the deal, all.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Right, so uh ten A colonel explained to them, you
know what Iran would First of all, you know, there's
so many layers to this, and I don't know how
deep we want to go. The difference between Shia Muslims
and Sunni Muslims in terms of who they thought they
follow up profit to Muhammad was one is more on
the offensive and aggressive, doesn't see Israel's right to exist
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and plans to carry out world dominance. That's what makes
them more of an offensive. If they have it, they
will use it. Then there's you know, the nuclear weapons themselves,
which is the materials, the advanced centrifuges, and then the
delivery systems in the rockets. We've played the same game
with North Korea, so you might want to explain because
they were hiding behind Oh, we're just enriching uranium for electricity,
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you know, nonsense like that.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So it's pretty complex.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But done right, I mean, we know they've done far
beyond that, because when you're rich uranium for electricity, it's
a very low percentage of enrichment they are produced. They
have the capacity to produce highly enriched uranium that you
can use to make nuclear weapons, and by some estimates
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they have enough material to make fifty nuclear weapons. We
know they have ballistic missile that can reach the entire
Middle East in Europe, and we know they have bomb
designed on how to build a bomb, and we know
they have the technical capability build bombs. So will you
let me tell you they today a lot can build
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a nuclear weapons. So when you say a log can't
have nuclear weapons, what does that mean? They're gonna promise
they're not gonna have nuclear weapons?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So but here it's yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I mean you know it matters. You know, it's like
we're gonna tell you a car Okay, well you know
what's the annual percentage rate? You know that matters?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
All right, We're.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Visiticaletenant Colonel James Carafano. Let's face it, there's just three
ways to handle this one. Uh, you can kick the can.
In other words, targeted air strikes as every time they
get closed, knock them back a decade.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
If they rise and get it, you defeat them.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Or what we've been doing, which is you can put
them in positions of bankruptcy or turn the people against
them over long periods of pain because of political leaders ambitions.
That's what Trump did in the first term. Now this term,
this is a road to nowhere, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Well, look to me, it's I mean, then this is me.
I'm not the president of the United States. I have
to make these decisions do with all these other problems,
you know, and you know, we all run around and
we're all you know, Donald Trump's foreign policy is like
people go to the baseball game and they sit down
and after the first pitch they tell you the final score.
That's stupid, right, So we're all making judgments on Trump's
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outcomes when he's in the middle of the negotiating these things.
If I were doing it, it would be either you
give me everything I want, or on, which includes not
funding the surrogates, getting rid of nuclear processing, giving up
the highly ve granian that you have, and and or
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you just always strangle you. I don't think you have
to attacker on. I mean, the regime is very risk averse.
They want to survive. They're not They're not going to
start wars with the United States. So we should make
them as miserable and horrible as as we can possibly do,
and then give them that choice. Stand out in the
rain or yeah, or or if you want to come,
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you know, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I didn't mean road to nowhere because of Donald Trump,
rode to nowhere because of Iranian ambitions. I didn't think
the US would do targeted air strikes, although Israel could
do targeted air strikes. But to me, the best thing
that seems to be they're like a parasite and they
want to maintain and exist, So just make it painful
and keep them broke.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
If anybody ever plays the game, if your idea is
to put them in an escape room and hope they
don't escape, it's a bad plant. They put them in
a cell with the key. That's a plan.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That was There were two administrations that did that. James
Garafano was joining US Lieutenant colonel for a weekly military
briefing right then the president laid out that there are
three people behind the ongoing Russian Ukrainian War. Our awful
former President Joe Biden that allowed it to happen. The
only thing I kind of took issue with is he
basically blamed Ukraine if you will, more than Russia and
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saying you don't pick fights with people that are ten
times bigger than you and then expect everyone else to
pay for it. I think, I think what it showed
is the president is very frustrated with both sides and
that the peace talks aren't going well.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What was your view?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So he looked, I mean, people so cherry picked to
get the president they want. But he clearly said that
the person responsible for this worst put he said, many
blamed Biden, which is totally legitimate. Biden wanted Nord's dream
to He failed to deter the Russians, he wanted Dolensky
to run away from the country when the war was attack.
He was very slow in giving the military aid and
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he never had a plan. So I honestly, in my opinion,
I think the thing about Dolinsky is just he doesn't
like Zelinsky and the link.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is a jerk.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
But I'm just being he's been a jerk about this
whole thing with the United States, So I just think
it's he's just personally annoyed by Zolinky. Having said, had
all this is actually produced is the Europeans have actually
stepped up and done a lot more to support Ukraine,
which is kind of exactly what Trump wanted. But he's
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not going to abandon. I don't think he's not going
to abandon Ukraine. But he doesn't like Selinsky. I think
that's what that all is.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
No, absolutely, listen, Donald Trump, and this you probably won't
know particulars until after he's dead. Trump has been all
his life a very generous man. And I'm telling you something.
Unlike a lot of Christians outgoing proclaiming Christians, he doesn't
let you know. He keeps it that part of Christianity.
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He's done better than the Christians, all right, So he's
a very When you're very generous, let me tell you
it's do you have very low tolerance f un gratefulness.
So there's a lack of humility, a lack of gratefulness,
and I think a lack of consistency perceived is incompetence.
It's too much for Donald Trump to overcome. Anybody that
watched The Apprentice will tell you The Apprentice will tell
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you this can't fly with him. He wants Ukraine to
come out of this. He wants their soldiers to stop dying,
come out without losing anything, be rebuilt and restored.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But without this man reigning, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, I mean, I personally, I don't really think he
cares if Vinci's ready the country or not. But he's
annoyed by Olinski. And I think you're exactly right. He
is trying to end the war and Zlinsky is actually
making not not you know, we have to strip this away.
It's not about policy. The Ukrainians have agreed to see fire,
They've agreed to everything in the United States just wants
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to do still agree. It was the Ukrainians who first
introduced the idea of the of the mineral deals. It
does come down that he's just annoyed with the guide personally,
and and the things the Linsky saying in public are
just flowing gasoline on the fire. Is it literally sounds
like biting the hand that feeds you and and and
you just don't do that with Trump. So I don't
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know if he's exhausted and tired, or frustrated or scared
or angry, or if you know, he's just trying to
get the Europeans to do more. So he attacked Trump,
and Trump attacks him and the madagas. I don't know,
but but it is. It is really sour. Just haven't
said that. We've seen this so many times from Donald
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run that eventually gets what he wants and then he's, oh,
this guy's great.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I know that's always off road. All right.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
There's a rumor that he is going to meet with
Putin in person. He's already because the media will jump
all over that. There he is being puppets Putin's puppet.
He's going to go meet with Putin. He's taken side.
That's all narrative, it's not reality. I get that. But
he's already met with Zelenski in the White House. He's
yet to meet with Putin in person. Should they find
a neutral site and all three meet or do you
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think it's a good idea time to cut to the
chase with Putin and do so in person if this
rumor's true, smart well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Look, I think there's three scenarios. One is the Russians
always want something for nothing, and they add for the moon,
and then if they want a deal, and once they
realize they're not going to get everything, they say, okay,
here's the deal. So Putin could just walk in tomorrow,
whether without meeting Drum and say okay, fine, here's the deal. Right,
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And so that's the scenario one. And I don't think
people should be surprised if he does that, because the
Russians need to stop fighting just as much as the
Ukrainians that both at the point and strategic exhausted. I
agree the other Okay, let's think Putin says, I'm going
to fight another year, see what happens. Maybe you know
who knows, well, I'll just fight another year. I can
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do that. Maybe you're a befall apart. I don't know. Well,
then there's two scenarios. One and Trump says, oh he's
still fighting. Well, you know, you guys are stupid. I'll
just take my ball and go home. I actually think
that's unlikely because if it all turns south, then it's
all going to come back on the president the way
Afghanistan came back on Biden.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You can blame I think you can blame.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You can blame Biden for the start of the war,
but then you would rightly blame Trump for how the
war resulted.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Right, And the option three is you continue to support Ukraine.
I think and since actually the Europeans are bearing much
more of the load right now, and every year, every
every time, there's less and less for us to do.
Ukrainees are now the Ukraine defense industry ran from a
billion dollar a year and a fifteen billion dollars a year.
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They're they're developing a lot more of their own stuff
that they can sustain this war. Europeans are helping them,
so there's actually less for us to do, and and
and putin basically is spit in Donald Trump's face. Donald
Trump should not only not go out of his way
to help him, he should make his life freaking miserable
and punish him. That's I think that's the the you know,
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the other option. But then that too, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
If the rumor's true, I'm praying for option one. I'm
expecting option three. I always love our visits. Thanks for
finding time with us halfway around the world. James Carafinald,
Lieutenant Colonel.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
will miss you. It's your morning show with Michael del
Chuno