April 21, 2025 • 34 mins
How important are successful Iranian Nuke talks and Russian peace talks to the first 100-day achievements for President Trump? We’ll ask GOP consultants and republican consultant Chris Walker
The world is moving very quickly, and a lot of us have questions about the future. What is ahead for artificial intelligence? What is ahead for the economy? Kevin Cirilli is a widely respected journalist and “futurist” who has some thoughts about how our lives will change in the coming years.
Is Russia serious about a ceasefire? Then why are attacks continuing? Meanwhile, in Rome, nuclear talks are underway with Iran. National Correspondent RORY O’NEILL has the details
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Just looking over the top contenders, Cardinal Barloni from.
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Italy, Zoopi from Italy.
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I'm trying to find an outside there, Gretch, if you
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John from the sports book would probably have the odds.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You gut some odds on that show. What cardinal is
the leading contender to be the new Pope? All right?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you're just waking up eight minutes after the hour,
after thirty eight days in the hospital, just when we
think everything is fine, he looked terrific yesterday in Saint
Peter's Square. He looked amazing and animated and full of energy.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Visiting with JD. Vans.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hours later, Pope Francis passes away at the age of
eighty eight years old. I keep referring to him as
kind of like a Pope of first because he was
the first to choose the name Francis. He was the
first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first
from the Southern hemisphere, the first pope from outside of
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Europe since the eighth century, and the first to choose
not to live in the pope's living quarters. And he
has set his own arrangements, and that too will be
a first, a first not to be buried at the Vatican.
And I don't know how long he'll be buried at
Saint Mary's Church, one of his favorite Saint Mary Major.
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He would stop there often to pray before any travel.
No exact date for funeral has been set yet, a
lot of questions about the conclave usually does not proceed
until after the funeral, so probably a couple of weeks
would be a guestimate for the beginning of the conclave
to elect a new pope.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Pope Francis dead at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
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Speaker 5 (03:39):
I have but one question, what is the purpose of
the Federal Reserve. Why is an unelected euroucrat have control
of interest rates in this country?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Shouldn't that be left up to the market.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think that was rhetorical and that was the case
until nineteen thirteen. Woodrow Wilson, the Five the Progressivism was
the one to put this into place to try to
stabilize the market outside of politicians messing it up. Brandon
and tell us Oklahoma on kakc AM and FM.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Mister del jorno, please explain to me how someone here
illegally is granted a due process and not only are
they here illegally, they are game members in violent game
due to that, and please make it make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
No, I can't. Chris Walker is here from the GEO.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What more you But but you know, as we talked
about with John Decker, our White House correspondent, this would
be an easy thing to comply with because the president
can just choose where they're held and where this takes place,
and if it's someplace like Texas, for example, he could
find a favorable district in Texas to do this right
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before they get on a plane and leave. So this
can be much to do about nothing from a process standpoint. Anyway,
Chris Walker is joining us. He is all things Republican.
He's a GOP consultant and analyst and joins us every Monday.
And you know, one of the things I wanted to
kick around with you, Chris, how important you know? We
had the nuke talks with Iran that we don't suspect
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will go anywhere because Iran is not reasonable. And then
you have the Russian Ukraine peace talks that haven't seemingly
been going very well, and the US signaling late in
the week that if both sides don't show some interest
in peace, we're about ready to walk away from being
a middleman on this. How important are both of these
I know we're coming up on the one hundred days
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and we're going to kind of review the achievements of
the president in the first one hundred days of a
second term. How important are these two pieces to that puzzle?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I think very important? And good morning, Michael.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
You know, I think the fact that it's even happening
is a is a good indicator of a difference from
the Biden administration, where the weakness and the you know,
the indifference to these issues coming full beet to you know,
an administration coming in and saying, hey, let's find a
solution here. So, I mean, the President gets a lot
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of credit for initiating these conversations and trying to do
something about it rather than being you know, a distant
player in the process. So you know, the fact that
this seems to be politically you know, controversial, is crazy
because here we are the president and his team working
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hard to try to bring a ceasefire to a region
that desperately needs it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know, this is strength versus weakness, and you.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Know, President Trump is exuding strength and trying to show
leadership here in a way that I think is important
for the global stability to kind of come back.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm just an American citizen. I'm not a shill for
the Trump administration, but i will tell you I'm I'm
thrilled that my president wants a peace. I'm thrilled that
my president sees eighteen nineteen twenty year olds dying by
the thousands caught in the middle of all this nonsense
and wanting to stop death those are all things I like.
He has made the bold statements this never would have
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happened if I were president, and it may not have
quite frankly, but he also made the statement and once
I'm elected, I will end it. And I think because
he made that promise, and clearly there's no question this
president wants peace, and there's no question he's no fan
of Zelenski. But I think on both sides they're just
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not seeing the progress of serious people wanting peace knowing
you can't get everything you want and make you know,
reasonable compromises. So yeah, a for trying, that's better than
the previous administration. But hanging out there is you did
say you'd end it, so at some point, you know,
I think this is something they would like to accomplish.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think, honest the goodness,
we'll see how this all stakes out. I mean, there
are a lot of things yet to be seen. But
you know, you have two different parties here that have
kind of been at each other's throats for the better
part of four years, and you know that's uh, it's
very hard to undo some of that pain. I mean,
you know, the president even talks about it once Lisky
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was in the Oval office. I mean, that was a
real rare moment of you know, kind of international aplomacy
happening in front of cameras, and you know, everyone kind
of pointed to the uh, you know, kind of the
back and forth of Jade Vance. But ultimately the real
question was was President Trump talking about Look, I can
understand why there's there's there's anger here. The people have
been being killed, and there's a lot of reasons why
people would say never on my watch. But you have
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to have those conversations if you're going to find some peace,
and you know, it would be very hard for either
side to come to the table, and so initiating them
I think is a good first step continuing the process,
and even though it's frustrating, is another piece of that.
That patience and that commitment to the peace process is
exactly what President Trump campaigned on. I think it's something
that's continuing to hopefully yield some fruit over the long All.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, So if you don't get a peace deal, and
you don't get an end of the war, but you
still get your mineral rights deal, you still have American
interests and American souls on the ground in Ukraine and
for Vladimir Putin, you're going to continue to get.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Sanctions and pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's not a whole lot you can really do in
terms of whatever would have been your initial view of
victory in this war being possible with US interest there.
So nothing isn't a win for Russia, that's for sure. Unfortunately,
it's somewhat of a win for Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Well, and that's you know, let's not forget the Russian
or Russia as the aggressor here. I mean, I'm a
child of the eighties. I kind of tend to default
to Russia the past tize, and so I just had
that that intrinsic view of the nature of it. But
they did invade a country, they did. You know that
that Putin is not a you know, he's been in
power longer than anyone in Russian history, and you know
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there are.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Some negatives there.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
So from that perspective, you know, again, this is a
very hard person to negotiate with. I mean, he's outlasted
for presidents, and you know, on some level that's that's
that's an indicative of the issues that we've had President
trumpet and his foreign policy team out to pay. But
Marco Rubio and his team at State, I think are
talented enough to try to figure out a way through this,
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and it's going to take some patience. But I agree
with what your position is on it too, where you know,
we haven't seen the fruit yet, but I think I
think that's a long way.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
To go to that process.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I don't think this can be achieved.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
This isn't a first one hundred days achievement, but it'd
be nice if you could get it done shortly before
or after the mid term elections, before a twenty twenty
eight presidential race.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
How about taking on how about taking on Brandon's call
purpose of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Conservatives tend to look at this and often go it
really doesn't need to exist. You get into a crisis,
and of course the politicians overspend. That drives up inflation.
There's only one way to cool inflation, raise rates. There's
only one way to know when you can, you know,
lower them again. It's roots are nineteen thirteen and the
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Federal Reserve Act and Woodrow Wilson, perhaps my least favorite
president and the father of progressivism, and the front end
of a bookend with Barack Obama.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Faed Why do we have it. Yeah, what good does
it do? I should have go away the war? What
is it good for? Absolutely nothing? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Right?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That's something feels like the fad in a lot of
ways too. You know, Look, I think it's a relic
of a previous time, you know, with the the same
with you know, the overall globalization discussion. In terms of
the economy, you know, the fad kind of micromanaging inflation
in of itself is is an antiquated idea, but it
is how our system is functioning right now. And if
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you're going to shake it up, you need to have
a multi year, multi you know, multifaceted plan to try
to unwind it. And so just abolishing the FED overnight
would just be an absolute destruction of the markets that
we know today, and it's something we have to be
very cautious of a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Of terrorists as well. But you know, moving in.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
A direction away from from FED having unilateral power, I
think is a good thing for our economy. You know,
bring back the gold standard as far as I'm concerned.
But again, abolishing the income tact, abolishing some of those
relatives of the nineteen thirteen era would be a tremendously
positive influence for American growth and innovation. Again, we live
in such a different time. There isn't you know this
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this the federal government has outlived its growth needs and
you have you know, so many of the states, in
other things, being able to achieve a lot of things
that back in the thirties and forties people thought the
federal government needed to do. So, you know, a question
of that and figure out how to bring those about
is an exciting piece of a Republican platform that I
would love to see happen. The problem what you see
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is a lot of times these entrenched lobbyists and influence
kind of get into the ears of members of Congress
and even in the administration and scaring people out of
out of real reforms. And I think it would be beneficial.
But again I think what you'd have to do is
need to bring it in a slow burn, not necessarily tremendously. Hey,
this is going to boss overnight.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
There was a great song and a terrible movie country,
strong timings, everything. I mean, this would not I think
the President sent a clear message to the FED chair
he'd liked some rape cuts, But as far as firing him,
that would be at this moment probably not advisable to
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how the market would react to that final minute with
Chris Walker real quickly, just want to get your take.
So you got Beijing warning its trade partners against their
coming to US pressure to isolate China. So there's making
threats to any of the countries that might cut a
deal with Trump. And then you got the sixth at
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eighth District, I believe, but Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin making
similar threats that we're going to get power again and
we're going to remember everybody that supported the president. What
do the Democrats have in common with China? Well, according
to rasc I mean this is crazy, right, whose side
is everybody?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's crazy?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You know, it reminds me of Tim Wats a few
weeks ago cheering the you know, decline of Tessela stock
just because of political beef. You know, Democrats need to
figure out, you know, are they for country or are
they for partisanship? And you know, look, I mean there
are partisan fights. Nobody's naive on that. But the idea
of somehow starting with China, you know, in terms of
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a foreign policy issue.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Is just absurd.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But you know, China is doing everything they can. You know,
I think Scott dessented the smart guy, and you know,
I tend to trust his judgment on this stuff. He
said over and over again. The China's playing we can
and I think we're seeing that kind of play out
with with charon Z trying to you know, kind of
boast a little bit when we know that they have
a lot of internal pressures. We know that they have
(15:12):
a lot of reasons. And frankly, you know, we saw
during COVID that she has no problem, you know, inflicting
pain on his population. So I mean, you know, they
have a very weekend here. But you know, it's something
that choosing freedom, choosing opportunity, choosing the profit mode for.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Lack of better word, will.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yield to productivity and peace in a way that you know,
China can't offer. And so Japan and all these other
trading partners who know that they.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Have a very we can't in the long run, but
in the short run to drive up bidding, it's it's
it's not as weak as it looks in order to
wreak a little bit of havoc.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
By the way, I'll dismount with this.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is it any wonder that the latest Gallup poll shows
a Democrat leadership's confidence rating is down to twenty five percent,
and we thought thirty four twenty twenty three was as
low as it could go, and it's nearly a half
from two thousand and one. It's the leadership like Jamie
Raskin that's driving those numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Missus Patrick from Christiana, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
My morning show is your Morning Show with Michael del Jorno.
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Enjoy as about one point four million Catholic world worldwide
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wake up to the news the Vatican has announced Pope
Francis has died Easter Monday at the age of eighty eight,
after thirty eight days and double pneumonia. Returning back to
the Vatican just when on Easter Sunday yesterday he looked
terrific met with the Vice President very animated, very energetic.
The shocking news that the pope has passed away. A
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pope of firsts, first to choose the name Francis, first
Jesuit pope, first from the Americas, first from the Southern hemisphere,
first outside of Europe since the eighth century, and I
might add, the first to choose not to be entombed
in the Vatican. He will be at the Saint Mary Major,
where he often would go to pray before traveling. Interestingly enough,
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I have Kevin Sarelli here who is a journalist and
a futurist, and we're going to talk about artificial intelligence
and the economy. I guess we would quickly turn to
also an unknown in the future, a next pope.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know there is so much to look at from
a futuristic standpoint. I would think the economy and then
how this tariffs play out would be an urgent one.
But artificial intelligence, that's gotta be the biggest thing on
your radar, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You know it is. Are you polite? Michael? First of all,
it's create to be almost you. Thanks for having morning
polite to your artificial intelligence. Do you say you're pleasing?
Thank you to Siri or to Alexa or to chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Me, I don't ever use it. Sorry, I'm a bad example.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
They don't even use it. No, no, well listen, Well
that's so I would surmise that you are using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well yeah, but I mean formally in terms of having conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
With interesting Okay, Well, sixty seven percent of Americans say
that they are polite to their artificial intelligence. And when
they dug deeper the polsters did, they found that some
folks were concerned that there would be like some type
of AI uprising where they would be able to just
to decipher who's more polite to their AI and who's not.
But Sam Altman, who's the CEO of Open Ai with
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Jones chat gipt, said stop being so polite to Alexa,
to Siri, to chat gpt, because it's costing them tens
of millions of dollars in electricity. And because you have
to remember, artificial intellig legence is powered by electricity, and
that's why America is building all of these data centers
all over the country. And these data centers, several of
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them are even powered by nuclear energy. Because just because
you can't see the AI or see the computing power.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So all of
this is really positioning the United States to have to
really grapple with its electricity infrastructure at a rate that
we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, So the biggest thing from a futuristic standpoint
that nobody talks about is the electricity usage in artificial intelligence,
I would presume, and I was trying to draw Kevin
from what you were saying, the more polite we are,
the more interaction there is.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
In other words, what gets straighter to the.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Point exactly BEGPT has to parse, process and respond to
all of this, and so you know, the usage of
it is really just interesting and fascinating. You know, last month,
at the National Press Club here in Washington, DC, I
interviewed one of the time generals of the United States
Space Force, General Gagnat, and I asked him point blank,
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what should Americans know about the space domain? And what
he said to me was that space security is national security.
The average American interacts with space more than two dozen
times per day, and they don't even realize that everything
that you use your device is your Internet, your AI,
eventually your quantum computing power. Which is the next thing
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after AI that will happen in our lifetime. Everything goes
right up to space. And I'm not talking about an
eleven minute space trip that goes up and down to space,
but protecting the satellite infrastructure, protecting the space domain is
vital to preserving americans interests, not just here in the
United States for our way of life, but also for
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the global order. You know, I'm a millennial. I'm the
last generation that can remember life before the Internet. Gen
Z is the last generation that can remember life before
artificial intelligence. So as we continue to evolve with this technology,
protecting the infrastructure around it, which is underwater in the
oceans and an outer space, is just vital.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Kevin' surreally is a futurist, a journalists joining us. I'm
looking at my phone right now and I'm thinking, how
would I track my children if I didn't have three
sixty we'd get in the car if we didn't have GPS.
I mean that interaction is all around us. But when
we talk about artificial intelligence too. I notice now when
I put a question into Google, I get the AI
response first. So we're definitely in a new wave of AI.
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In other words, I want to ask it to you
this way, Kevin, how different is our usage in interaction
with AI today than even a year ago.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh that's a great question, and you're noticing it not
only just in how Google and Alphabet the parent company
and Google are leveraging it, but also even in everything
from going to the doctor's office, where how your how
your doctor's team, and it is looking at your doctor's
records and automating many of the processes and procedures. I
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would put it this way, it's going to be even
more intertwined. And I write about this on Meetthfuture dot
substack dot com. It's going to be even more entertwined
in just five years. Over the weekend, the Beijing half
marathon took place and Chinese Communist Party ran twenty one
humanoid robots in the half marathon. Only six of them
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finished and they were very slow. The others just collapse.
But the way that you look and humanoid robots are coming,
and they're coming very quickly in our lifetime. The way
that we put apps on our iPhone or applications on
our smartphones, AI AI systems are going to program humanoid
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robots now, they're not going to necessarily take your jobs,
but they are going to force the American economy to modernize,
to create new jobs. And that's one of the things
that I think will be the most significant change over
the next.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Couple of days.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I suspect already, Kevin, everything they're reading online has been
rewritten by AI. I don't know that we've achieved it yet,
but it's going to grow more and more where your
newspeople and or your disc jockeys could be AI.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
In the future. We'll get to know that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But I want to do something deeper that I don't
know anybody else will do this with you today.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So it's going to catch you off guard.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But if you've ever seen much yeah, no, if you've
ever seen the documentary The Social Dilemma, you know the
mess we've made with technology and with the learning that
these computers do, and once they start, there's no stopping it.
And what it created was several things addiction and at
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young ages, lack of sleep, a social disorder with a
perfection culture. I mean, there was a lot of negative
that came from it. Most of the people that created
these algorithms don't allow their kids to participate in them,
but isolation and loneliness was the real result of all
the technology we've experienced in twenty years through social media,
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and AI is going to offer you the solution to
that loneliness with these AI bots and or robots that
are coming that people are going to have artificial relationships
to solve the artificial loneliness that was created. How can
the problem create the solution would be my question for you.
But that's I can already see that. And when we
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worried about TikTok, imagine people having relationships with these AI bots,
both emotionally and unfortunately sexually to some degree, and what
they might tell them that is giving a lot of
In other words, there's a lot of negativity. Just like
whenever there's a new invention, there's somebody good that sits
down to do good things with it. There's also bad
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people down to do bad things with it. How do
you process that as you look to the future.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No, I think it's a great quest and it's the
define one of the defining cultural questions of our time.
I think it's a brilliant question. And I write about
this on mesafuture dot subs dot dot com. Because in Japan,
for example, there are robotic companions companies that are popping up,
and so people are having friendships with robots, and that
there are companies that are leveraging that. And but I
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would argue that it's not really that different than a
child being given a toy. Humans have always had uh
relationships with with non human objects a Teddy Bear, for example,
So obviously that's a.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Very serial time and childhood not for your In other words,
if there is a creator and we were creating his image,
and we were created that have interaction with each other,
you're trying to make a deposit that can't be made.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It can just be felt like it's made. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, I just see a lot of real chaos
coming in the future, and I don't I don't necessarily
expect you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
To make that go away. But boy, I don't think
it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't think anybody sees it coming and it's here.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Well, you know, but I do think I think it's
But to finish the point, I think the other the
other half of that is that there are a lot
of technology companies right now who are exploring, particularly in
the PTSD space, for how artificial intelligence can be used
to treat not just the patient, but also the patient's
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family for the first warning signs of self harm or
other UH negative traits in the addiction space as well.
There was actually one UH study that was greenlit in
California for criminals in jail who were in solitary confinement
and they were given virtual reality headsets to to see
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how that would impact their mental health. And they were
able to be taken out of solitary confinement, still in prison,
but they were but the ruckus that they were caused
thing within the prison system. Because they were treated with
VR headsets, they were able to change some of their behavior.
And so to your point, yes, is they're bad. Of
course there's bad. Of course there's bad. But to your
(27:13):
other point, which is how technologists can be looking on
the digital front here to solve problems, that's also happening
as well. Sure, you know we have to we have
to look into that and talk about that. I think
more as well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Boy, Kevin, you're good and I wish I could talk
to you almost monthly. I don't know if that's even possible,
if there's any way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To contact to be an honor, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh, it's just just remember this when our hang on
the line when we're done, and Jeffrey will give you
our information because I don't come across people that are
really good very often, and when I do, I don't let.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Go of them.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Final question for you and just give us the big picture,
because I know I've already taken more time than I
was allowed. We had the industrial revenue industrial revolution, world
was unrecognizable after it. We've had the technology revolution. The
world is on recordisable after it. Is AI a continuation
of that or something completely third in its element? And
I think it's the latter.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I think it's I think it's I think it's part
of the same evolution. I really truly do. I think
the Gutenberg Bible is it created. You know, you go
all the way back in time with the printing press.
And I think that America has a lot to celebrate
with our innovation, and we just got it to your point.
Just continue to look at the best practices around it
to make it better. For that. I don't want to
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live in a world without GPS, and America should celebrate that.
So I think that there's more that's coming that's good
if we can harness the power.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So should it be feared or should it be anticipated
excitedly both maybe right.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Depends what we do with exactly. That's right, that's the ride, right,
that's the boy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I love that line. On that line, we will lend.
That's the ride. Kevin Sirelli, nice Italian boy.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think right, Yes, sir, yes, sir, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm Dell Jarno. Don't lose touch. I really love at this.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Now I've got to stick together.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You're a very smart young man. I want to talk
to you again in the future. God bless you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Obviously the big story Farnerway. Pope Francis dies the evening
after Easter at the age of eighty eight, and the
process of selecting his successor begins.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Michael Casner reports.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Well, any baptized Roman Catholic mayor can technically be elected
as pontiff. The pope has traditionally been chosen from the
College of Cardinals since the fourteenth century. There are currently
seventeen cardinals in the United States. Italy, by comparison, has
fifty one cardinals under the age of eighty vote by
secret ballot until a candidate gets two thirds of the vote.
(29:46):
I'm Michael Cassner. National correspondent Roory O'Neil is joining us.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Roy to our conversation earlier in the six o'clock hour.
The College of Cardinals will formally head up the conclave
that will elect the next Pope. As of April of
this year, there were two hundred and fifty two cardinals,
of whom one hundred and thirty five are eligible to
vote in the conclave, meaning they're under the age of eighty.
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All cardinals, of course, are appointed by a pope. Pope
Francis appointed one hundred and ten cardinal electors as of
December of twenty twenty four, with one hundred and forty
cardinals totally eligible to vote. To our conversation, and this
is probably a conversation for days down the road. But
in terms of the direction of the Catholic Church, will
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it go back traditional, more conservative or continue on Pope
Francis's path a little bit more progressive. It looks like
it looks like the conclave anyway leans progressive would be
our short answer.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, it may. You know, I'm not sure you can.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
I've almost heard comparisons to a president appointing a Supreme Court, right,
they don't always fall on lockstep, you know, with that
president's thought process. Well it's I think you can get
some similarities, but you don't just assume that it will
be more leftward leaning church moving forward, because look, Pope
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Benedict also appointed the majority of those cardinals that then
chose to make Pope Francis his successful.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So that was a very conservative pope.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
You would have thought that again, follow that same argument
you just made that the church would follow that lead,
and clearly it didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right, so let's do things in proper order. Here
is a pope that for thirty eight days we were
I mean, because you're eighty eight years old in bed
for thirty eight days is very dangerous, let alone double pneumonia,
let alone without two lungs, and he overcomes that, returns
to the Vatican. He looked terrific yesterday in Saint Peter's
(31:49):
Square for Easter. He looked amazing with JD vance, only
to die hours later. And I call him a pope
with firsts from the name Francis, a first, a Jesuit
pope of first from the Americas, from the southern hemisphere
of first and the first outside of Europe since the
eighth century. And he even goes out with it first
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because he made the plans, and he will not be
entombed at the Vatican but rather at Saint Mary Major,
which was a very important place for him.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So he really is a pope first, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (32:22):
Yeah, certainly quite the legacy, and that's why I think
it's going to be so fascinating to see how his
success or responds. I think, you know, I don't want
to be I'm not a historian to judge papal performances,
but you know, Pope John Paul the second had such
a long tenure that I think he was very consequential.
I don't know if Pope Benedict was as consequential, but
(32:43):
I think this Pope has has been in many more ways.
So you know, we'll see the times often need the
man right in the job. So perhaps something will happen
in the years ahead that will be that will define
the next pope.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's interesting, you know, we had somebody and I couldn't
hear it. I didn't err it, not because of what
he said. I didn't hear it because the quality was
so bad. It sounds like it was in a wind tunnel.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's something I'm used to when I live in Protestant areas.
You know, why do we care about the pope? Because
there's one point four million Catholics worldwide, because there's six
big a million in the United States.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Come on, get hold yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I have so much more in common with my
Catholic brothers and sisters than I don't, And often when
fighting for the unborn, they're the only ones that are
standing there with me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But you don't need me to defend the Catholic Church.
I'm not a Catholic, but.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
From the Catholics I know, the reasonable Catholics, I know
Francis is going to go down as being a little
bit too left for them. It will be when the
time comes that balance and this conclave and what direction
the Catholic Church goes, whether it stays in check, goes
further left or back traditionally to the right, will be
(33:51):
very very interesting to see and probably play a lot
in who people predict are the front runners, although front
runners aren't often usually panned out very too well in
terms of winning. So, although I haven't said that I'm
gonna go with Zoopee, go with Zoopy early three to
one out.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
How about the the guy from Wisconsin, Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Would that be? That would be a first right in
American pope? It would Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
All right, there you have it, Roy, great coverage all
day and appreciate it. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
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Just looking over the top contenders, Cardinal Barloni from.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Italy, Zoopi from Italy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm trying to find an outside there, Gretch, if you
become the cardinal. Gretch was the top of the big
John from the sports book would probably have the odds.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You gut some odds on that show. What cardinal is
the leading contender to be the new Pope? All right?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you're just waking up eight minutes after the hour,
after thirty eight days in the hospital, just when we
think everything is fine, he looked terrific yesterday in Saint
Peter's Square. He looked amazing and animated and full of energy.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Visiting with JD. Vans.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hours later, Pope Francis passes away at the age of
eighty eight years old. I keep referring to him as
kind of like a Pope of first because he was
the first to choose the name Francis. He was the
first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first
from the Southern hemisphere, the first pope from outside of
(01:34):
Europe since the eighth century, and the first to choose
not to live in the pope's living quarters. And he
has set his own arrangements, and that too will be
a first, a first not to be buried at the Vatican.
And I don't know how long he'll be buried at
Saint Mary's Church, one of his favorite Saint Mary Major.
(01:56):
He would stop there often to pray before any travel.
No exact date for funeral has been set yet, a
lot of questions about the conclave usually does not proceed
until after the funeral, so probably a couple of weeks
would be a guestimate for the beginning of the conclave
to elect a new pope.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Pope Francis dead at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
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at nine minutes after the hour. Let's start in Phoenix
with Angela.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
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Speaker 3 (02:41):
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Carne asada is a type of beef. You probably had it. Yeah,
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I just never heard of pork carnitas. And I don't
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I think in Nashville listening to WLAC is next.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I have but one question, what is the purpose of
the Federal Reserve. Why is an unelected euroucrat have control
of interest rates in this country?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Shouldn't that be left up to the market.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think that was rhetorical and that was the case
until nineteen thirteen. Woodrow Wilson, the Five the Progressivism was
the one to put this into place to try to
stabilize the market outside of politicians messing it up. Brandon
and tell us Oklahoma on kakc AM and FM.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Mister del jorno, please explain to me how someone here
illegally is granted a due process and not only are
they here illegally, they are game members in violent game
due to that, and please make it make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
No, I can't. Chris Walker is here from the GEO.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What more you But but you know, as we talked
about with John Decker, our White House correspondent, this would
be an easy thing to comply with because the president
can just choose where they're held and where this takes place,
and if it's someplace like Texas, for example, he could
find a favorable district in Texas to do this right
(04:57):
before they get on a plane and leave. So this
can be much to do about nothing from a process standpoint. Anyway,
Chris Walker is joining us. He is all things Republican.
He's a GOP consultant and analyst and joins us every Monday.
And you know, one of the things I wanted to
kick around with you, Chris, how important you know? We
had the nuke talks with Iran that we don't suspect
(05:18):
will go anywhere because Iran is not reasonable. And then
you have the Russian Ukraine peace talks that haven't seemingly
been going very well, and the US signaling late in
the week that if both sides don't show some interest
in peace, we're about ready to walk away from being
a middleman on this. How important are both of these
I know we're coming up on the one hundred days
(05:39):
and we're going to kind of review the achievements of
the president in the first one hundred days of a
second term. How important are these two pieces to that puzzle?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I think very important? And good morning, Michael.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
You know, I think the fact that it's even happening
is a is a good indicator of a difference from
the Biden administration, where the weakness and the you know,
the indifference to these issues coming full beet to you know,
an administration coming in and saying, hey, let's find a
solution here. So, I mean, the President gets a lot
(06:11):
of credit for initiating these conversations and trying to do
something about it rather than being you know, a distant
player in the process. So you know, the fact that
this seems to be politically you know, controversial, is crazy
because here we are the president and his team working
(06:32):
hard to try to bring a ceasefire to a region
that desperately needs it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know, this is strength versus weakness, and you.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Know, President Trump is exuding strength and trying to show
leadership here in a way that I think is important
for the global stability to kind of come back.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm just an American citizen. I'm not a shill for
the Trump administration, but i will tell you I'm I'm
thrilled that my president wants a peace. I'm thrilled that
my president sees eighteen nineteen twenty year olds dying by
the thousands caught in the middle of all this nonsense
and wanting to stop death those are all things I like.
He has made the bold statements this never would have
(07:09):
happened if I were president, and it may not have
quite frankly, but he also made the statement and once
I'm elected, I will end it. And I think because
he made that promise, and clearly there's no question this
president wants peace, and there's no question he's no fan
of Zelenski. But I think on both sides they're just
(07:31):
not seeing the progress of serious people wanting peace knowing
you can't get everything you want and make you know,
reasonable compromises. So yeah, a for trying, that's better than
the previous administration. But hanging out there is you did
say you'd end it, so at some point, you know,
I think this is something they would like to accomplish.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think, honest the goodness,
we'll see how this all stakes out. I mean, there
are a lot of things yet to be seen. But
you know, you have two different parties here that have
kind of been at each other's throats for the better
part of four years, and you know that's uh, it's
very hard to undo some of that pain. I mean,
you know, the president even talks about it once Lisky
(08:13):
was in the Oval office. I mean, that was a
real rare moment of you know, kind of international aplomacy
happening in front of cameras, and you know, everyone kind
of pointed to the uh, you know, kind of the
back and forth of Jade Vance. But ultimately the real
question was was President Trump talking about Look, I can
understand why there's there's there's anger here. The people have
been being killed, and there's a lot of reasons why
people would say never on my watch. But you have
(08:37):
to have those conversations if you're going to find some peace,
and you know, it would be very hard for either
side to come to the table, and so initiating them
I think is a good first step continuing the process,
and even though it's frustrating, is another piece of that.
That patience and that commitment to the peace process is
exactly what President Trump campaigned on. I think it's something
that's continuing to hopefully yield some fruit over the long All.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, So if you don't get a peace deal, and
you don't get an end of the war, but you
still get your mineral rights deal, you still have American
interests and American souls on the ground in Ukraine and
for Vladimir Putin, you're going to continue to get.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Sanctions and pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There's not a whole lot you can really do in
terms of whatever would have been your initial view of
victory in this war being possible with US interest there.
So nothing isn't a win for Russia, that's for sure. Unfortunately,
it's somewhat of a win for Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Well, and that's you know, let's not forget the Russian
or Russia as the aggressor here. I mean, I'm a
child of the eighties. I kind of tend to default
to Russia the past tize, and so I just had
that that intrinsic view of the nature of it. But
they did invade a country, they did. You know that
that Putin is not a you know, he's been in
power longer than anyone in Russian history, and you know
(10:00):
there are.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Some negatives there.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
So from that perspective, you know, again, this is a
very hard person to negotiate with. I mean, he's outlasted
for presidents, and you know, on some level that's that's
that's an indicative of the issues that we've had President
trumpet and his foreign policy team out to pay. But
Marco Rubio and his team at State, I think are
talented enough to try to figure out a way through this,
(10:24):
and it's going to take some patience. But I agree
with what your position is on it too, where you know,
we haven't seen the fruit yet, but I think I
think that's a long way.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
To go to that process.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I don't think this can be achieved.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
This isn't a first one hundred days achievement, but it'd
be nice if you could get it done shortly before
or after the mid term elections, before a twenty twenty
eight presidential race.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
How about taking on how about taking on Brandon's call
purpose of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Conservatives tend to look at this and often go it
really doesn't need to exist. You get into a crisis,
and of course the politicians overspend. That drives up inflation.
There's only one way to cool inflation, raise rates. There's
only one way to know when you can, you know,
lower them again. It's roots are nineteen thirteen and the
(11:13):
Federal Reserve Act and Woodrow Wilson, perhaps my least favorite
president and the father of progressivism, and the front end
of a bookend with Barack Obama.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
Faed Why do we have it. Yeah, what good does
it do? I should have go away the war? What
is it good for? Absolutely nothing? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Right?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That's something feels like the fad in a lot of
ways too. You know, Look, I think it's a relic
of a previous time, you know, with the the same
with you know, the overall globalization discussion. In terms of
the economy, you know, the fad kind of micromanaging inflation
in of itself is is an antiquated idea, but it
is how our system is functioning right now. And if
(11:58):
you're going to shake it up, you need to have
a multi year, multi you know, multifaceted plan to try
to unwind it. And so just abolishing the FED overnight
would just be an absolute destruction of the markets that
we know today, and it's something we have to be
very cautious of a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Of terrorists as well. But you know, moving in.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
A direction away from from FED having unilateral power, I
think is a good thing for our economy. You know,
bring back the gold standard as far as I'm concerned.
But again, abolishing the income tact, abolishing some of those
relatives of the nineteen thirteen era would be a tremendously
positive influence for American growth and innovation. Again, we live
in such a different time. There isn't you know this
(12:39):
this the federal government has outlived its growth needs and
you have you know, so many of the states, in
other things, being able to achieve a lot of things
that back in the thirties and forties people thought the
federal government needed to do. So, you know, a question
of that and figure out how to bring those about
is an exciting piece of a Republican platform that I
would love to see happen. The problem what you see
(13:01):
is a lot of times these entrenched lobbyists and influence
kind of get into the ears of members of Congress
and even in the administration and scaring people out of
out of real reforms. And I think it would be beneficial.
But again I think what you'd have to do is
need to bring it in a slow burn, not necessarily tremendously. Hey,
this is going to boss overnight.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
There was a great song and a terrible movie country,
strong timings, everything. I mean, this would not I think
the President sent a clear message to the FED chair
he'd liked some rape cuts, But as far as firing him,
that would be at this moment probably not advisable to
(13:42):
how the market would react to that final minute with
Chris Walker real quickly, just want to get your take.
So you got Beijing warning its trade partners against their
coming to US pressure to isolate China. So there's making
threats to any of the countries that might cut a
deal with Trump. And then you got the sixth at
(14:05):
eighth District, I believe, but Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin making
similar threats that we're going to get power again and
we're going to remember everybody that supported the president. What
do the Democrats have in common with China? Well, according
to rasc I mean this is crazy, right, whose side
is everybody?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's crazy?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You know, it reminds me of Tim Wats a few
weeks ago cheering the you know, decline of Tessela stock
just because of political beef. You know, Democrats need to
figure out, you know, are they for country or are
they for partisanship? And you know, look, I mean there
are partisan fights. Nobody's naive on that. But the idea
of somehow starting with China, you know, in terms of
(14:47):
a foreign policy issue.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Is just absurd.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But you know, China is doing everything they can. You know,
I think Scott dessented the smart guy, and you know,
I tend to trust his judgment on this stuff. He
said over and over again. The China's playing we can
and I think we're seeing that kind of play out
with with charon Z trying to you know, kind of
boast a little bit when we know that they have
a lot of internal pressures. We know that they have
(15:12):
a lot of reasons. And frankly, you know, we saw
during COVID that she has no problem, you know, inflicting
pain on his population. So I mean, you know, they
have a very weekend here. But you know, it's something
that choosing freedom, choosing opportunity, choosing the profit mode for.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Lack of better word, will.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yield to productivity and peace in a way that you know,
China can't offer. And so Japan and all these other
trading partners who know that they.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Have a very we can't in the long run, but
in the short run to drive up bidding, it's it's
it's not as weak as it looks in order to
wreak a little bit of havoc.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
By the way, I'll dismount with this.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is it any wonder that the latest Gallup poll shows
a Democrat leadership's confidence rating is down to twenty five percent,
and we thought thirty four twenty twenty three was as
low as it could go, and it's nearly a half
from two thousand and one. It's the leadership like Jamie
Raskin that's driving those numbers.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Missus Patrick from Christiana, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
My morning show is your Morning Show with Michael del Jorno.
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Enjoy as about one point four million Catholic world worldwide
(16:46):
wake up to the news the Vatican has announced Pope
Francis has died Easter Monday at the age of eighty eight,
after thirty eight days and double pneumonia. Returning back to
the Vatican just when on Easter Sunday yesterday he looked
terrific met with the Vice President very animated, very energetic.
The shocking news that the pope has passed away. A
(17:07):
pope of firsts, first to choose the name Francis, first
Jesuit pope, first from the Americas, first from the Southern hemisphere,
first outside of Europe since the eighth century, and I
might add, the first to choose not to be entombed
in the Vatican. He will be at the Saint Mary Major,
where he often would go to pray before traveling. Interestingly enough,
(17:30):
I have Kevin Sarelli here who is a journalist and
a futurist, and we're going to talk about artificial intelligence
and the economy. I guess we would quickly turn to
also an unknown in the future, a next pope.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know there is so much to look at from
a futuristic standpoint. I would think the economy and then
how this tariffs play out would be an urgent one.
But artificial intelligence, that's gotta be the biggest thing on
your radar, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
You know it is. Are you polite? Michael? First of all,
it's create to be almost you. Thanks for having morning
polite to your artificial intelligence. Do you say you're pleasing?
Thank you to Siri or to Alexa or to chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Me, I don't ever use it. Sorry, I'm a bad example.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
They don't even use it. No, no, well listen, Well
that's so I would surmise that you are using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well yeah, but I mean formally in terms of having conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
With interesting Okay, Well, sixty seven percent of Americans say
that they are polite to their artificial intelligence. And when
they dug deeper the polsters did, they found that some
folks were concerned that there would be like some type
of AI uprising where they would be able to just
to decipher who's more polite to their AI and who's not.
But Sam Altman, who's the CEO of Open Ai with
(18:48):
Jones chat gipt, said stop being so polite to Alexa,
to Siri, to chat gpt, because it's costing them tens
of millions of dollars in electricity. And because you have
to remember, artificial intellig legence is powered by electricity, and
that's why America is building all of these data centers
all over the country. And these data centers, several of
(19:09):
them are even powered by nuclear energy. Because just because
you can't see the AI or see the computing power.
It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So all of
this is really positioning the United States to have to
really grapple with its electricity infrastructure at a rate that
we haven't seen in decades.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, So the biggest thing from a futuristic standpoint
that nobody talks about is the electricity usage in artificial intelligence,
I would presume, and I was trying to draw Kevin
from what you were saying, the more polite we are,
the more interaction there is.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
In other words, what gets straighter to the.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Point exactly BEGPT has to parse, process and respond to
all of this, and so you know, the usage of
it is really just interesting and fascinating. You know, last month,
at the National Press Club here in Washington, DC, I
interviewed one of the time generals of the United States
Space Force, General Gagnat, and I asked him point blank,
(20:04):
what should Americans know about the space domain? And what
he said to me was that space security is national security.
The average American interacts with space more than two dozen
times per day, and they don't even realize that everything
that you use your device is your Internet, your AI,
eventually your quantum computing power. Which is the next thing
(20:25):
after AI that will happen in our lifetime. Everything goes
right up to space. And I'm not talking about an
eleven minute space trip that goes up and down to space,
but protecting the satellite infrastructure, protecting the space domain is
vital to preserving americans interests, not just here in the
United States for our way of life, but also for
(20:47):
the global order. You know, I'm a millennial. I'm the
last generation that can remember life before the Internet. Gen
Z is the last generation that can remember life before
artificial intelligence. So as we continue to evolve with this technology,
protecting the infrastructure around it, which is underwater in the
oceans and an outer space, is just vital.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Kevin' surreally is a futurist, a journalists joining us. I'm
looking at my phone right now and I'm thinking, how
would I track my children if I didn't have three
sixty we'd get in the car if we didn't have GPS.
I mean that interaction is all around us. But when
we talk about artificial intelligence too. I notice now when
I put a question into Google, I get the AI
response first. So we're definitely in a new wave of AI.
(21:32):
In other words, I want to ask it to you
this way, Kevin, how different is our usage in interaction
with AI today than even a year ago.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh that's a great question, and you're noticing it not
only just in how Google and Alphabet the parent company
and Google are leveraging it, but also even in everything
from going to the doctor's office, where how your how
your doctor's team, and it is looking at your doctor's
records and automating many of the processes and procedures. I
(22:06):
would put it this way, it's going to be even
more intertwined. And I write about this on Meetthfuture dot
substack dot com. It's going to be even more entertwined
in just five years. Over the weekend, the Beijing half
marathon took place and Chinese Communist Party ran twenty one
humanoid robots in the half marathon. Only six of them
(22:28):
finished and they were very slow. The others just collapse.
But the way that you look and humanoid robots are coming,
and they're coming very quickly in our lifetime. The way
that we put apps on our iPhone or applications on
our smartphones, AI AI systems are going to program humanoid
(22:49):
robots now, they're not going to necessarily take your jobs,
but they are going to force the American economy to modernize,
to create new jobs. And that's one of the things
that I think will be the most significant change over
the next.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Couple of days.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I suspect already, Kevin, everything they're reading online has been
rewritten by AI. I don't know that we've achieved it yet,
but it's going to grow more and more where your
newspeople and or your disc jockeys could be AI.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
In the future. We'll get to know that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But I want to do something deeper that I don't
know anybody else will do this with you today.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So it's going to catch you off guard.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But if you've ever seen much yeah, no, if you've
ever seen the documentary The Social Dilemma, you know the
mess we've made with technology and with the learning that
these computers do, and once they start, there's no stopping it.
And what it created was several things addiction and at
(23:49):
young ages, lack of sleep, a social disorder with a
perfection culture. I mean, there was a lot of negative
that came from it. Most of the people that created
these algorithms don't allow their kids to participate in them,
but isolation and loneliness was the real result of all
the technology we've experienced in twenty years through social media,
(24:11):
and AI is going to offer you the solution to
that loneliness with these AI bots and or robots that
are coming that people are going to have artificial relationships
to solve the artificial loneliness that was created. How can
the problem create the solution would be my question for you.
But that's I can already see that. And when we
(24:32):
worried about TikTok, imagine people having relationships with these AI bots,
both emotionally and unfortunately sexually to some degree, and what
they might tell them that is giving a lot of
In other words, there's a lot of negativity. Just like
whenever there's a new invention, there's somebody good that sits
down to do good things with it. There's also bad
(24:53):
people down to do bad things with it. How do
you process that as you look to the future.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No, I think it's a great quest and it's the
define one of the defining cultural questions of our time.
I think it's a brilliant question. And I write about
this on mesafuture dot subs dot dot com. Because in Japan,
for example, there are robotic companions companies that are popping up,
and so people are having friendships with robots, and that
there are companies that are leveraging that. And but I
(25:23):
would argue that it's not really that different than a
child being given a toy. Humans have always had uh
relationships with with non human objects a Teddy Bear, for example,
So obviously that's a.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Very serial time and childhood not for your In other words,
if there is a creator and we were creating his image,
and we were created that have interaction with each other,
you're trying to make a deposit that can't be made.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It can just be felt like it's made. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, I just see a lot of real chaos
coming in the future, and I don't I don't necessarily
expect you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
To make that go away. But boy, I don't think
it's not.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't think anybody sees it coming and it's here.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Well, you know, but I do think I think it's
But to finish the point, I think the other the
other half of that is that there are a lot
of technology companies right now who are exploring, particularly in
the PTSD space, for how artificial intelligence can be used
to treat not just the patient, but also the patient's
(26:25):
family for the first warning signs of self harm or
other UH negative traits in the addiction space as well.
There was actually one UH study that was greenlit in
California for criminals in jail who were in solitary confinement
and they were given virtual reality headsets to to see
(26:49):
how that would impact their mental health. And they were
able to be taken out of solitary confinement, still in prison,
but they were but the ruckus that they were caused
thing within the prison system. Because they were treated with
VR headsets, they were able to change some of their behavior.
And so to your point, yes, is they're bad. Of
course there's bad. Of course there's bad. But to your
(27:13):
other point, which is how technologists can be looking on
the digital front here to solve problems, that's also happening
as well. Sure, you know we have to we have
to look into that and talk about that. I think
more as well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Boy, Kevin, you're good and I wish I could talk
to you almost monthly. I don't know if that's even possible,
if there's any way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
To contact to be an honor, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh, it's just just remember this when our hang on
the line when we're done, and Jeffrey will give you
our information because I don't come across people that are
really good very often, and when I do, I don't let.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Go of them.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Final question for you and just give us the big picture,
because I know I've already taken more time than I
was allowed. We had the industrial revenue industrial revolution, world
was unrecognizable after it. We've had the technology revolution. The
world is on recordisable after it. Is AI a continuation
of that or something completely third in its element? And
I think it's the latter.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I think it's I think it's I think it's part
of the same evolution. I really truly do. I think
the Gutenberg Bible is it created. You know, you go
all the way back in time with the printing press.
And I think that America has a lot to celebrate
with our innovation, and we just got it to your point.
Just continue to look at the best practices around it
to make it better. For that. I don't want to
(28:27):
live in a world without GPS, and America should celebrate that.
So I think that there's more that's coming that's good
if we can harness the power.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So should it be feared or should it be anticipated
excitedly both maybe right.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Depends what we do with exactly. That's right, that's the ride, right,
that's the boy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I love that line. On that line, we will lend.
That's the ride. Kevin Sirelli, nice Italian boy.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think right, Yes, sir, yes, sir, all right.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm Dell Jarno. Don't lose touch. I really love at this.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Now I've got to stick together.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
You're a very smart young man. I want to talk
to you again in the future. God bless you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Obviously the big story Farnerway. Pope Francis dies the evening
after Easter at the age of eighty eight, and the
process of selecting his successor begins.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Michael Casner reports.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Well, any baptized Roman Catholic mayor can technically be elected
as pontiff. The pope has traditionally been chosen from the
College of Cardinals since the fourteenth century. There are currently
seventeen cardinals in the United States. Italy, by comparison, has
fifty one cardinals under the age of eighty vote by
secret ballot until a candidate gets two thirds of the vote.
(29:46):
I'm Michael Cassner. National correspondent Roory O'Neil is joining us.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Roy to our conversation earlier in the six o'clock hour.
The College of Cardinals will formally head up the conclave
that will elect the next Pope. As of April of
this year, there were two hundred and fifty two cardinals,
of whom one hundred and thirty five are eligible to
vote in the conclave, meaning they're under the age of eighty.
(30:14):
All cardinals, of course, are appointed by a pope. Pope
Francis appointed one hundred and ten cardinal electors as of
December of twenty twenty four, with one hundred and forty
cardinals totally eligible to vote. To our conversation, and this
is probably a conversation for days down the road. But
in terms of the direction of the Catholic Church, will
(30:34):
it go back traditional, more conservative or continue on Pope
Francis's path a little bit more progressive. It looks like
it looks like the conclave anyway leans progressive would be
our short answer.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, it may. You know, I'm not sure you can.
Speaker 9 (30:50):
I've almost heard comparisons to a president appointing a Supreme Court, right,
they don't always fall on lockstep, you know, with that
president's thought process. Well it's I think you can get
some similarities, but you don't just assume that it will
be more leftward leaning church moving forward, because look, Pope
(31:11):
Benedict also appointed the majority of those cardinals that then
chose to make Pope Francis his successful.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So that was a very conservative pope.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
You would have thought that again, follow that same argument
you just made that the church would follow that lead,
and clearly it didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right, so let's do things in proper order. Here
is a pope that for thirty eight days we were
I mean, because you're eighty eight years old in bed
for thirty eight days is very dangerous, let alone double pneumonia,
let alone without two lungs, and he overcomes that, returns
to the Vatican. He looked terrific yesterday in Saint Peter's
(31:49):
Square for Easter. He looked amazing with JD vance, only
to die hours later. And I call him a pope
with firsts from the name Francis, a first, a Jesuit
pope of first from the Americas, from the southern hemisphere
of first and the first outside of Europe since the
eighth century. And he even goes out with it first
(32:10):
because he made the plans, and he will not be
entombed at the Vatican but rather at Saint Mary Major,
which was a very important place for him.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So he really is a pope first, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (32:22):
Yeah, certainly quite the legacy, and that's why I think
it's going to be so fascinating to see how his
success or responds. I think, you know, I don't want
to be I'm not a historian to judge papal performances,
but you know, Pope John Paul the second had such
a long tenure that I think he was very consequential.
I don't know if Pope Benedict was as consequential, but
(32:43):
I think this Pope has has been in many more ways.
So you know, we'll see the times often need the
man right in the job. So perhaps something will happen
in the years ahead that will be that will define
the next pope.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's interesting, you know, we had somebody and I couldn't
hear it. I didn't err it, not because of what
he said. I didn't hear it because the quality was
so bad. It sounds like it was in a wind tunnel.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But it was.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's something I'm used to when I live in Protestant areas.
You know, why do we care about the pope? Because
there's one point four million Catholics worldwide, because there's six
big a million in the United States.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Come on, get hold yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I have so much more in common with my
Catholic brothers and sisters than I don't, And often when
fighting for the unborn, they're the only ones that are
standing there with me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But you don't need me to defend the Catholic Church.
I'm not a Catholic, but.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
From the Catholics I know, the reasonable Catholics, I know
Francis is going to go down as being a little
bit too left for them. It will be when the
time comes that balance and this conclave and what direction
the Catholic Church goes, whether it stays in check, goes
further left or back traditionally to the right, will be
(33:51):
very very interesting to see and probably play a lot
in who people predict are the front runners, although front
runners aren't often usually panned out very too well in
terms of winning. So, although I haven't said that I'm
gonna go with Zoopee, go with Zoopy early three to
one out.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
How about the the guy from Wisconsin, Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Would that be? That would be a first right in
American pope? It would Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
All right, there you have it, Roy, great coverage all
day and appreciate it. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
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