The United States and Ukraine have agreed to an economic partnership that will give the U.S. access to rare earth minerals that will help Ukraine in its war against Russia. Reporter and founder of the Meet the Future website Kevin Cirilli will explain what these minerals are, and why they are important to the future of the world economy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on your Morning show with Michael del Choonho.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And we talked to great length yesterday about how big
this deal is. Not just for how it positions the
US interests in Ukraine in order to protect protect Ukraine
in the future. That sends a clear message to this
negotiation for peace with Lamir Putin, But what about the
minerals themselves and what that means for our economic future? Now,
(00:25):
no one's got a crystal ball, except of course for
Kevin Sirilli, my paisan from Meet the Future at MTF
dot TV, because he's a futurist.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
This is huge.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
These are things we really need, right Kevin.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh my gosh, it's so important. I mean, if there's
one number I would ask folks to remember this morning,
it's seventy percent. Seventy percent of all of the United
States rare earth imports comes from one country, China, And
so the United States has to diversify its reliance on
rare earth minerals, and it's looking to places like in
(01:00):
order to do that. I think a lot of times
when we hear rare earth minerals, we think of minds
and we don't really know what they're used for. But
They're not just used for military and our national security
defense systems, which are incredibly important. I don't want to
downplay how important they are, but they're also used to
build every single device that we're on the phone, that
I'm talking to you on the studio, that you're sitting
(01:21):
in a kid's lapstop when they're going to school. Think
of how much our technology has increased, just even in
the last two decades. It's not built out of thin air.
It's built by rare earth minerals.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Kevin, It's hard to see the future without understanding the past,
which is what I love about you, and I think
you've done that in that opening, BOLLI, thank you. So
the truth of the matter is it was never a
wise move to be dependent upon enemies for our energy.
And we saw that blood so simple, doesn't it with
the Holy War? And so now if we can't be
(01:54):
dependent on China, a clear economic and I think military enemy,
that's what they've been doing with their money for the
very things of our technology. I mean, this is really
history repeating itself but revealing the future. And this is
a key part. My question to you is does this
actually no? First, my first question, how much do you
look at the past to understand the future.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I mean, I think you have to. I think you
have to. And I think even just the word Silicon Valley,
I mean silicon the first word in it. That was
why they named it, is because of a rare mineral
that they were able to find out there in order
to be able to be self reliant and to build
a new economic engine, I mean it. And so that's
number one. And then even just look at the gold
(02:39):
rush we remember, I mean, it's no joke. But now
we're mining for digital currency on different platforms. So all
of this is incredibly important. And the domains that we
cover in order to explore the digital domain are still
built on devices and those devices come from rare earth minerals.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, by the way, Kevin Sirilli is the founder of
Meet the Future. It's a website MTF dot tv. We
found him, we had him on, we fell in love
with him. Somehow Premiere figured him out and now they're great.
I mean, I want I want more people to hear
your voice. All right, Now, the big heady questions. Does
this point too that Donald Trump is playing a much
(03:21):
bigger game, in other words, the tariff game with our friends.
That's going to be resolved quickly. But who's going to
be left standing on the sidelines as China, he's ready
to play this out and these minerals are enabled to
will enable him to replace him. This isn't much and
whether that even ends with and then once you get
all the trade figured out, guess what, you don't need
income tax anymore at all? Could that be the play?
(03:43):
And does he have enough time to pull it off?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, the whether or not he has enough time to
pull it off really depends on the midterms and the
host of other calculations. But yes, that is the play.
When I speak to Trump advisors, they say specifically and listen,
there's a there's an open debate within the Trump world
orbit about whether or not the rollout of the tariffs
(04:06):
was something that was good economically, but.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Also whether or not it was good it was it
was not especially politically it was not.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But the one area where they where there's agreement and
alignment is why didn't he just target China, specifically China,
because that potentially could have even helped him politically, but
instead of going after so many folks. But we are
in such a long, long but you used it correctly,
but I would even take it one step further. I
(04:35):
would use the words economic war and and when China
is deploying economic warcraft against not just America, but the
American worker. I think that the American worker, and candidly
the American middle class, whether they're working in blue collar
jobs or white collar jobs, needs to be better understood
(04:57):
from the press just about how China is deploying economic
war against us. And of course I'm going to put
a futuristic spin on this. Look at the humanoid robots
that they're developing. Look at there. Yesterday this week the
mainstream media to cover this was they sent a laser
from China to a satellite and orbiting the Moon to
(05:19):
test their laser capabilities. They're trying to mine the Moon.
We're talking about mining Ukraine. They're trying to mine the
Moon for titanium, ultimately building supply chains from here to
the Moon. I mean, talk about strategic advantage. You can
just dust off the Revolutionary War history lesson where it
was get to the top of the hill in order
to secure the geography. Well, the Moon is that hill.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I got a statue behind me of John F.
Kennedy and he would tell you space is going to
be owned by someone, and it is the final definitive
position to own, and it's either owned by the good
guys or it's owned by the bad guys. I'm going
to take it one step further, and I'll do it
from this standpoint. I think had the President targeted China first,
(06:04):
follow me on this, Kevin, had he targeted them first,
that would have been declaring war economically on China. But
by targeting everyone, it leaves China choosing to be the
last one isolated. In other words, instead of isolating China
by taking the month to do this, and it was
our rocky road financially, but by taking the months to
do that, it makes China isolate themselves. I think it's
(06:28):
actually brilliant and I've since that out of the deal
from the beginning. How oft am I.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, No, I think it's a great point. I think
specific and yeah, I hear you, I mean definitely there
are folks here in town who would agree with that analysis.
And I hear you a loud and clear I think
even when you look at what the COVID nineteen pandemic
laid there, I remember, you know, interviewing lawmakers at that
time up on the hill I mean, was the over
reliance on the supply chain to China for pharmaceutical companies
(06:55):
and just medicine, I mean even the chemicals. You think,
I think a lot of people. Just because it's small
doesn't mean that the ingredients don't come from different parts
of the world. And so if one part of your
pill or one part of your semiconductor chip in your
phone comes from China and the rest comes from Taiwan
(07:16):
or even Australia or other parts or Latin America for
that matter, if one link in the chain is your adversary,
can you really trust the technology that you use or
the medicine that you put in your mouth. I remember
as a kid that used to say, Oh, America is
safe because we've got the great pond between our ocean,
you know, the Atlantic Ocean. I'm sorry, the great pond
(07:37):
between us. Well, now, the battle on the digital frontier
is quite literally in the palm of your hand, in
your smartphone, and so we have to start thinking of
geography as the digital frontier and protecting the digital domain.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I want to conclude with this, is it possible from
a legacy standpoint, from a significance, profound significance dandpoint that
Donald Trump won't be able to top this. This may
be one of the most consequential deals a president has
cut in history, this Ukraine mineral deal, and nobody in
the media gets it and knows how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I would agree that the media has not done a
good job explaining this because it allows for the United
States to be intricately intertwined economically from a capitalism perspective,
and that's going to outlast Vladimir.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Putin and no longer dependent upon an enemy for the
natural resources we need for the way we live today.
How about that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't think you're yeah, and I don't think Europe
too disappointed that Shijing Ping and Vladimir Putin aren't controlling
their gas station in terms of the pipeline that for
their for their energy. You know, I call them the
satalitarian twins, Hijing Ping and Vladimir Putin, and them cozying
up to on another in Ukraine with North Korea by
(09:02):
the way, UH is alarming. And so this deal says, well,
America shows up, we do business, we don't do war.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, you know, it was kind of insanity to depend
on enemies for our energy, obviously, especially when it was
right under our feet. But this is Donald Trump securing
what we did physically lack so that we don't have
to be dependent. I think it's pretty significant stuff. Every
time I talk to you, Kevin, I get the same note.
So here's the deal. I want you to root for
(09:31):
Sandman in the Kentucky Derby this weekend, and I want
you to pray about me being on the show weekly.
That's how good you are.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And that's how much we need to hear your face.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I love you, Kevin. I'm so glad to see Premiere
is giving you the rounds. Go knock him dead.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del
Churno
Previously on your Morning show with Michael del Choonho.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And we talked to great length yesterday about how big
this deal is. Not just for how it positions the
US interests in Ukraine in order to protect protect Ukraine
in the future. That sends a clear message to this
negotiation for peace with Lamir Putin, But what about the
minerals themselves and what that means for our economic future? Now,
(00:25):
no one's got a crystal ball, except of course for
Kevin Sirilli, my paisan from Meet the Future at MTF
dot TV, because he's a futurist.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
This is huge.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
These are things we really need, right Kevin.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh my gosh, it's so important. I mean, if there's
one number I would ask folks to remember this morning,
it's seventy percent. Seventy percent of all of the United
States rare earth imports comes from one country, China, And
so the United States has to diversify its reliance on
rare earth minerals, and it's looking to places like in
(01:00):
order to do that. I think a lot of times
when we hear rare earth minerals, we think of minds
and we don't really know what they're used for. But
They're not just used for military and our national security
defense systems, which are incredibly important. I don't want to
downplay how important they are, but they're also used to
build every single device that we're on the phone, that
I'm talking to you on the studio, that you're sitting
(01:21):
in a kid's lapstop when they're going to school. Think
of how much our technology has increased, just even in
the last two decades. It's not built out of thin air.
It's built by rare earth minerals.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Kevin, It's hard to see the future without understanding the past,
which is what I love about you, and I think
you've done that in that opening, BOLLI, thank you. So
the truth of the matter is it was never a
wise move to be dependent upon enemies for our energy.
And we saw that blood so simple, doesn't it with
the Holy War? And so now if we can't be
(01:54):
dependent on China, a clear economic and I think military enemy,
that's what they've been doing with their money for the
very things of our technology. I mean, this is really
history repeating itself but revealing the future. And this is
a key part. My question to you is does this
actually no? First, my first question, how much do you
look at the past to understand the future.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I mean, I think you have to. I think you
have to. And I think even just the word Silicon Valley,
I mean silicon the first word in it. That was
why they named it, is because of a rare mineral
that they were able to find out there in order
to be able to be self reliant and to build
a new economic engine, I mean it. And so that's
number one. And then even just look at the gold
(02:39):
rush we remember, I mean, it's no joke. But now
we're mining for digital currency on different platforms. So all
of this is incredibly important. And the domains that we
cover in order to explore the digital domain are still
built on devices and those devices come from rare earth minerals.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, by the way, Kevin Sirilli is the founder of
Meet the Future. It's a website MTF dot tv. We
found him, we had him on, we fell in love
with him. Somehow Premiere figured him out and now they're great.
I mean, I want I want more people to hear
your voice. All right, Now, the big heady questions. Does
this point too that Donald Trump is playing a much
(03:21):
bigger game, in other words, the tariff game with our friends.
That's going to be resolved quickly. But who's going to
be left standing on the sidelines as China, he's ready
to play this out and these minerals are enabled to
will enable him to replace him. This isn't much and
whether that even ends with and then once you get
all the trade figured out, guess what, you don't need
income tax anymore at all? Could that be the play?
(03:43):
And does he have enough time to pull it off?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Well, the whether or not he has enough time to
pull it off really depends on the midterms and the
host of other calculations. But yes, that is the play.
When I speak to Trump advisors, they say specifically and listen,
there's a there's an open debate within the Trump world
orbit about whether or not the rollout of the tariffs
(04:06):
was something that was good economically, but.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Also whether or not it was good it was it
was not especially politically it was not.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But the one area where they where there's agreement and
alignment is why didn't he just target China, specifically China,
because that potentially could have even helped him politically, but
instead of going after so many folks. But we are
in such a long, long but you used it correctly,
but I would even take it one step further. I
(04:35):
would use the words economic war and and when China
is deploying economic warcraft against not just America, but the
American worker. I think that the American worker, and candidly
the American middle class, whether they're working in blue collar
jobs or white collar jobs, needs to be better understood
(04:57):
from the press just about how China is deploying economic
war against us. And of course I'm going to put
a futuristic spin on this. Look at the humanoid robots
that they're developing. Look at there. Yesterday this week the
mainstream media to cover this was they sent a laser
from China to a satellite and orbiting the Moon to
(05:19):
test their laser capabilities. They're trying to mine the Moon.
We're talking about mining Ukraine. They're trying to mine the
Moon for titanium, ultimately building supply chains from here to
the Moon. I mean, talk about strategic advantage. You can
just dust off the Revolutionary War history lesson where it
was get to the top of the hill in order
to secure the geography. Well, the Moon is that hill.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I got a statue behind me of John F.
Kennedy and he would tell you space is going to
be owned by someone, and it is the final definitive
position to own, and it's either owned by the good
guys or it's owned by the bad guys. I'm going
to take it one step further, and I'll do it
from this standpoint. I think had the President targeted China first,
(06:04):
follow me on this, Kevin, had he targeted them first,
that would have been declaring war economically on China. But
by targeting everyone, it leaves China choosing to be the
last one isolated. In other words, instead of isolating China
by taking the month to do this, and it was
our rocky road financially, but by taking the months to
do that, it makes China isolate themselves. I think it's
(06:28):
actually brilliant and I've since that out of the deal
from the beginning. How oft am I.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, No, I think it's a great point. I think
specific and yeah, I hear you, I mean definitely there
are folks here in town who would agree with that analysis.
And I hear you a loud and clear I think
even when you look at what the COVID nineteen pandemic
laid there, I remember, you know, interviewing lawmakers at that
time up on the hill I mean, was the over
reliance on the supply chain to China for pharmaceutical companies
(06:55):
and just medicine, I mean even the chemicals. You think,
I think a lot of people. Just because it's small
doesn't mean that the ingredients don't come from different parts
of the world. And so if one part of your
pill or one part of your semiconductor chip in your
phone comes from China and the rest comes from Taiwan
(07:16):
or even Australia or other parts or Latin America for
that matter, if one link in the chain is your adversary,
can you really trust the technology that you use or
the medicine that you put in your mouth. I remember
as a kid that used to say, Oh, America is
safe because we've got the great pond between our ocean,
you know, the Atlantic Ocean. I'm sorry, the great pond
(07:37):
between us. Well, now, the battle on the digital frontier
is quite literally in the palm of your hand, in
your smartphone, and so we have to start thinking of
geography as the digital frontier and protecting the digital domain.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I want to conclude with this, is it possible from
a legacy standpoint, from a significance, profound significance dandpoint that
Donald Trump won't be able to top this. This may
be one of the most consequential deals a president has
cut in history, this Ukraine mineral deal, and nobody in
the media gets it and knows how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I would agree that the media has not done a
good job explaining this because it allows for the United
States to be intricately intertwined economically from a capitalism perspective,
and that's going to outlast Vladimir.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Putin and no longer dependent upon an enemy for the
natural resources we need for the way we live today.
How about that.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't think you're yeah, and I don't think Europe
too disappointed that Shijing Ping and Vladimir Putin aren't controlling
their gas station in terms of the pipeline that for
their for their energy. You know, I call them the
satalitarian twins, Hijing Ping and Vladimir Putin, and them cozying
up to on another in Ukraine with North Korea by
(09:02):
the way, UH is alarming. And so this deal says, well,
America shows up, we do business, we don't do war.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, you know, it was kind of insanity to depend
on enemies for our energy, obviously, especially when it was
right under our feet. But this is Donald Trump securing
what we did physically lack so that we don't have
to be dependent. I think it's pretty significant stuff. Every
time I talk to you, Kevin, I get the same note.
So here's the deal. I want you to root for
(09:31):
Sandman in the Kentucky Derby this weekend, and I want
you to pray about me being on the show weekly.
That's how good you are.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And that's how much we need to hear your face.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I love you, Kevin. I'm so glad to see Premiere
is giving you the rounds. Go knock him dead.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Miss a little, miss a lot, miss a lot, and
we'll miss you. It's your Morning Show with Michael del
Churno
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