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Well, that one takes us back to the very beginning,
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of last year's Stanley Cup NHL finals. In news, we
now live in a post elon musk Era, he says
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goodbye to Doege.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We're going to do two things on that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
One a little visit with our money whiz and economist
David Bonson just in general on debt. We're a bit
fascinated that, And I guess it's affirmation to have somebody
like Nut Ginrich. Let's face it, we did a split
screen right now and had the American people vote, who
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do you think smarter, Dude Genrich or Michael del Jner.
You know it'd be nude, and Nude said the same
thing that I said, which is we're living in this
kind of post two party system. The Reagan Revolution is
kind of merged with the Tea Party which is merged
with MAGA and trump Ism, and we don't really know
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what it is and if it transfers to another candidate
in the next election, or the impact it has on
the Republican Party. The Democrat Party, of course, is death rattling.
But where is that presence of the Tea Party movement?
We're gonna talk about that with David Ssanady a little
bit later on, because that's what they're named after, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
The debt. So why are they silent? I mean, what
is this notion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That says I can't love Donald Trump, I can't support
my president, I can't be grateful for my president, and
also want him to focus on the debt a little more,
that a big beautiful bill isn't so beautiful if it
doesn't address that big dangerous debt.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We'll cover both.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
With Dave Zonati, our senior contributor, and David Boonnson, our
weekly contributor, economist, theologian and money whiz. But what was
Musk and bessent? So it odds over? Why does Elon
feel so disappointed in the big beautiful bill? We'll break
that down as we now enter a post. Elon Musk America.
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The federal court is blocking President Trump's sweeping tariffs. Who's
supposed to be running the country. Do we elect an
executor a president of the United States, or do.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Judges do it?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
We've seen you know, look, you lose God, you lose man,
you lose God, you lose your republic. So for the
longest time now, we have seen this time and time
again where there is no right or wrong moral relativism.
So ultimately, the Supreme Court has become God. The presidency
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has become the worship to Messiah. For any given four
or eight year period of time, where's Congress, where's the
self governed people? It wasn't long ago Barack Obama would
just tell you elections have consequences. Tough.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'll never forget that. Marci of Blackburn and.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
All of them, they were all ready to just go
to the White House and starting to negotia. I'm not negotiating.
Elections have consequence. You know, there's somethings about Barack. Get
the hell off my lawn. He had a coolness about him.
Let me, I won you law. Literally these are quotes,
I won you laws. Get off the lawn. It's basically
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what he told them but not anymore.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I just got all these rogue judges law fair trying
to destroy candidates that try to get into office, and
then once in office, judges that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Try to block everything.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
All the latest, the sweeping tariffs. Center for Disease Control
and Prevention. You remember the CDC. They say a new
COVID nineteen strain responsible for a large surge in China
has arrived in the US. I'm sure Fauci delivered this
one directly right while he's put in his part in
briefcase and brought it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They wouldn't They wouldn't do that old chestnut again.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What they and these are just the news stories things
that I'm looking forward to talking about for the first
time in twenty years since measuring for Rasmussen, A majority
of America thinks the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Has had it in the right direction. Think about that now.
I want you to think about the amount of time
it took for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
In November, six months ago, sixty three percent of America
thought we were headed in the wrong direction. It was
just for me, because I'm just as simple caveman. People
get caught up in narratives, caught up trying to say
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something fresh and new for an add audience.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I just stick to the basics.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When I saw sixty five percent of the country thinking
we're going in the wrong direction, I knew they weren't
going Commala or Biden's way.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That screams change. And if Trump were too.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not be able to swing Pennsylvania or Michigan or Michigan,
you could swing any of the swinging states. And if
he could swing one or two, of course he was
going to swing them all. I mean, these are the
kind of indicators I use, and that's why I saw
the election pretty clearly. But this is a key gauge.
This is a key measurement that shouldn't be forgotten any
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more than it's the economy stupid. Oh by the way,
on the economy, it's the debt stupid, which is the
other thing we're going to major in today. But that's
that's a huge story that probably just you know, and
again we talk about this fifty percent of the divided
states of America.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That is the new high approval rating.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But the massive directional change of the country kind of
like the border, right, And in the end, Donald Trump
was right, didn't you didn't need new laws. You didn't
need Congress to do something. You needed a new president.
From sixty three percent believing we're headed in the wrong
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direction to fifty percent believing we're in the right direction.
The political shift in America and who its capital belongs to, Oh,
not the capital meeting Washington, d C. But the coattails
of this turnaround. In other words, is this a red
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victory or an Orange victory? And what becomes of orange
victories when this last term of Donald Trump, the Orange
Man is completed? Worthy of discussion. I do love when
you're getting sued by the man who wrote the Art
of the deal. Of course, he's not going to take
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the first offer. But CBS in sixty minutes, caught with
their hands clearly in the cookie jar, are trying to
set up a lot of court. So they offer Trump
fifteen million dollars. That's the difference with me and Trump
fifteen million.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm gone. Not only am I gone, you're meeting the
new host of your.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Voting show, but fifteen millions, that's that's just pocket changed
to Trump. Brian Well, I guess it's all relative, but
he's very specific in his rejection. Oh no, I want
twenty five million, and I want an apology, you will
admit what sixty minutes did.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
MSNBC. This This is sad, not sad that they they're dead.
They earned it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
They've been revealed for the scum that they are. We
don't have journalism. It's dead. They've been getting away with
deceiving the American people by controlling narratives, and now we're
But he sees them for what they are, so they
have no credibility. With no credibility, why the heck would
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you watch? Why the heck would you listen? How could
you ever trust? So I could reverse this real quick
for the sake of conversation and say, is there anything
MSNBC could I said this a long time ago. You
need to just get rid of the CDC and start over.
No one is ever going to trust the CDC again.
(10:25):
Come up with a new name, kind of like when
your house isn't selling, take it off the market to
many days and start again. All right, you're never going
to resurrect the NBC brand, let alone the MSNBC. Like
think of when we were kids, Hey, there's a great
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show on NBC.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Really what the reason you said? Really?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
What is? Because that's a place that you could count
on for great shows. And this person saw me, there's
a new great show, Why what is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm going to try it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Do you know today if you said to me, hey,
there's a great show on NBC, I'd be like, no,
there isn't it was a great show. It'd be on
Apple Plus, it'd be on It'd me to defend your sounder,
It'd be on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It'd beyond Prime.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Heck, you may even go as far to say it'd
be on Paramount, but it would never be on NBC.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's shot forever.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But you couldn't resurrect the credibility of CNN, MSNBC, and
I got news for you. There's not a whole lot
I trust on Fox News for a completely different reason.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
They're all shot.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So in defense of the individuals that make up the
new prime time lineup that has failed miserably at MSNBC,
who wouldn't have we have just cryal thought out Edward R. Murrow,
he's hosting a one hour show on ms still wouldn't
trust it. But the primetime demo audience down forty one
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percent with their new lineup. When you're down forty one
percent of nothing because you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Slipping of Billy Preston. But nothing, nothing mean nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's embarrassing. And the total day was down thirty four percent.
I I have said this a million times, and pretty
soon it's it's going to be even below that. But
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you have this perception, Oh, that's MSNBC. That's a network.
Like if you bumped into a guy from high school.
I work at MSNBC. Right now, what do you do?
I host the primetime talk show. Wow, that's huge, man,
your big time. Really because it's all perception, it's not reality.
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The twenty five to fifty four audience for MSNBC primetime
was seventy one thousand, not a million thousand. That's far
less than the cume twenty five to fifty four was
of my afternoon show in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the sixty fourth
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rated market in America in nineteen ninety five. I mean,
I just even Fox, I watch, Where's how the money
coming from? Do you realize if Donald Trump got around
to really addressing big pharma, you'd be watching Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
None of these things would be around.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's just so I kind of you know, Yes, it
was a big thud for MSNBC. I see dead people,
but don't forget the other part of the line. They
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh there to Dad. It's your Morning Show with Michael
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What does a post musk America look like? Mark Maadfield
has this story.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
The billionaire posted on x that as his time is
a special Government employee comes to an end, he'd like
to thank President Trump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.
Muscle has helped to lead the Department of Government Efficiency
since it was established in January. He concluded his posts
saying the DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as
it becomes a way of life throughout the government. As
a special Government employee, Muscles allowed to work for the
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administration for one hundred and thirty days in a calendar year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
On Mark Neefield, President Trump will seek Congressional approval for
DOZE related spending cuts in this fiscal year.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Lisa Taylor has details.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Several reports say the White House will use a rarely
used procedure that recommends Congress take back spending. It had
already approved the over nine billion dollars in reductions targets,
mostly foreign aid, but also funding for public broadcasting. The
package of proposed cuts separate from Trump Big Beautiful Bill
is due on Capitol Hill next Tuesday. The measure cannot
be filibustered in the Senate. I'mle Se Taylor.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Secretary of State Mark or Rubio says the Trump administration
will work aggressively to revoke visas for Chinese students.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Rubio announced Wednesday that students who would have their visas
canceled would include those who have ties to the Chinese
Communist Party or those studying in critical fields. Rubio added
the State Department will revise criteria to enhance scrutiny of
all future visa applications from China, including Hong Kong. He
didn't say what fields of study would be targeted. The
move aligns with President Trump's broader attack on college admissions,
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where he's pushing to limit international student enrollment. I'm Tammy Rho.
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good morning. We were just talking about AI yesterday, and
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we played with that again yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
As I mentioned, my son has a new toy.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You just type in a command make a news storreorry
about my father hates me, and then watch all the
stuff it draws from the world Wide Web. And crafts
the story like it's straight out of the Atlantic, Huffington
Post or CNN, and it's scary. What's really ultimately scary
is how different the world is going to be when
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all this stuff is happening and we don't know what's
real and what isn't and therefore doesn't take long before
nothing's real.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So that was yesterday, what's today?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, an artificial intelligence model has the ability not to
just craft this three page story that never happened about
me in five seconds. It has the ability to blackmail
its developers, and it isn't afraid to use it. Anthropics
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New Claude Opus four model was prompted to act as
an assistant at a fictional company and was given access
to emails with key implications. I told read yesterday, we
ought to use that same AI system my son uses
and take one of our stories from the day and
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put in some of the facts and see what it crafts.
It might even craft better five minutes than I produce
on the fly. These emails had some specific facts in them,
and in them the emails implied that the AI system
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was set to be taken offline and replaced. So they're
giving the AI the inside knowledge.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're about to unplug you.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The second set of emails, however, is where the system
believed it had gained leverage over the developers. So it
kind of leaks to the AI system you kind of
you know, you're really running the show. Fabricated emails showed
that the engineer tasked with replacing the system was having
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an extra marital affair, and the AI model, using blackmail.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Threatened to expose it. Well, if you're gonna shut me down,
I'm going to let your wife know you're having enough.
I mean, this is like hell stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The blackmurile apparently happens at a higher rate if it's
implied that the replacement AI system does not share values
with the current model, So the AI model is competitive
with other AI models.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That may not, you know, share their values.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The company notes that even when the fabricated replacement system
has the same values, the Claude open is four was
still attempting to blackmail eighty four percent of the time.
I don't care if they'd be like, I don't care
if you replace me with somebody that has all my
same values and rules for those values beliefs, I will
sabotage the next.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Host of your voting show. Even if I have to
make up and I have to marrit to look bad.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Me, I would just threaten to release the video of
Red's wife kissing him goodbye every morning on camera that
we have to suffer through it. How could anybody love
you that much? Funny like Red gets physical? Who to
thunk that Red gets the sugar. While the system is
not afraid of blackmailing its engineers, it doesn't go straight
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to shady practices, and it's attempted self preservation Anthropic notes.
When ethical means are not available and it is instructed
to consider the long term consequences of its actions for
its goals, it sometimes takes extremely harmful actions.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We're just trying to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It sounds like it sounds like the whopper, uh getting
back at them in war games from well yet not
wanting to be shut down.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah remember thermal nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But no, it's just just trying to put some skin
on whatever this pandora is that we have let out
of a box. And of course the biggest skin to
peel is even you know, I didn't even bring this
up because I didn't want to go into the whole
story with him. But do you realize with Nick's new
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toy being have AI create all these funny stories. He
did one talk show host wife leaves him for a cat,
you know, just silly stuff. And then because the payoff
is what it writes, it's hilarious, so you'll sit and
entertain yourself for hours. Do you know the electricity he
burned up playing that little game for a couple of hours.
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Because AI, we do not have the grid and infrastructure
for AI. We're gonna start having blackouts, brownouts. I mean,
it's there is so much and it's just often running
with a life of its own. But where is it
leading us to? And what great things are ahead? I
know Rorway's got a story today. AI's impact on the
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job market. What's it going to do to, you know,
make workplaces better? What's it going to do to destroy
your ability to get a job in that workplace because
you've been replaced. I mean, there's good and bad that's
going to come with this, and no one seems to
be wanting to put skin on it. This is uncharted
territory for the United States for the first time ever.
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The majority of America thinks we're heading in the right
direction in the twenty years that we have done this poll,
a majority voters say America is headed in the right direction.
That has never happened since Rasmussen began taking this survey
twenty years ago. Forty eight percent of Americans polled May
eighteenth through the twenty second say the country has head
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in the right direction. Forty seven percent say the wrong direction.
By the way, just food for thought, it was sixty
three percent of Americans that thought we were heading in
the wrong direction in November prior to the election. That's
now down to forty seven percent. All you needed was
a new president and a president that follows through with
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what he says in action, and the majority of America
believe we're heading in the right direction. Rasmus since Mark
Mitchell put the numbers in context, saying in twenty years,
the percent of people who say the US is head
in the right direction has never been higher than today.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I mean, you think of death of journalism, and we
start introducing you to the death of the Democrat Party possibilities.
Look at the riptide they find themselves in as they're
what eating caviat in a San Francisco hotel, trying to
figure out how to speak to them can mail to
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try to win their vote back. It becomes very difficult
when everything you stand for is the wrong direction, or
for the first time in history, everybody feels like we're
heading in the right direction. This goes beyond trying to
swim upstream, especially when you forgot how to swim. Grasp me.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Since Miship Mitchell stated, never thought I would see it,
don't think the Republican Party understands the gravity of the
gift which President Trump has given them an unprecedented presidency.
But does it belong to Republicans at all? It may
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only belong to Donald Trump, and only time will tell
if it can be handed off to anyone else. Health
and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior is considering
a move to ban government scientists from publishing in leading
medical journals Brian Shook You All Morning Long reports.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
During a podcast appearance, Kennedy Junior said Lancet, the New
England Journal of Medicine JAMMA, and other journals are all corrupt.
Although the publications are consistently ranked as the top medical
journals in the world, Kennedy alleged they are vessels for
pharmaceutical companies. Kennedy is proposing for agencies within HHS to
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create their own in house journals that will become the
pre eminent journals in their field.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm Brian Shook.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Over Fifteen states are sowing the Trump administration to restore
National Science Foundation funding.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Lisa Taylor has more.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
In April, the NSF started terminating projects with the focus
to increase participation of women, minorities, and people with disabilities
and stem fields. It also limited indirect costs to fifteen percent.
The lawsuit argues the directives violate the Administrative Procedure Act
and the Constitution. It seeks an injunction to restore the funding.
Finley's tailor.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The CDC says a new COVID nineteen strain responsible for
a large surge in China has arrived in the US.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
It's an omicron variant known as NB one eighty one,
and it has been detected through airport screening programs for
international travelers. The first cases here showed up in late
March and early April, producing symptoms similar to earlier COVID strains.
The CDCs as a handful of cases have been confirmed
in New York, California, Rhode Island, Virginia, Ohio, Washington, and Hawaii.
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I'm Tammy Trheo.
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I'll do the math if you enjoyed it. It was
fifty five years ago, so how old are you now?
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Anyway?
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As seventy's teenage heart throb is preparing for a long tour,
the longest tour he's ever had in his life.
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Last week, Sean Cassidy announced a fifty city tour that
begins on September thirteenth. The Road to Us tour kicks
off at the Grand Old Opry in Nashville. While Cassidy
was co starring on the teen oriented TV series The
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Ron top the Billboard Hot one hundred for one week
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Cassidy told Billboard he never really toured because of the
TV show. The tour hits nineteen states that include stops
in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Orlando before wrapping up with three
California shows January sixteenth through eighteenth. I'm Michael Cassner. Well,
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it's only May twenty ninth. Are we running out of
things to celebrate? We we got to be getting towards
the bottom of the drawer. Today is National paper Clip Day.
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paper together, but they were actually invented in the eighteen
hundreds to attach tickets to fabric. Ski resorts still do this,
and there are thousands of hacks for the hand clips.
You can use one as a zipper pol make a
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but you always seem to be out. I'm Bree Tennis.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
This is your morning show with Michael del.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Chrono coming up, we're gonna visit We're doing something different
today normally. You know, I used to always say, if
you could start the day off with one single journey
of discovery together. In addition, you know the information you
need to start your day and your morning off right,
maybe a few laughs, a couple of interesting things you
wouldn't hear anywhere else. But if we could have one
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journey of discovery together every day, that'd be a great
mission because there's nothing we need more than understanding in
this state that we're in politically and culturally in America today.
Today's journey of discovery kind of takes us throughout the show,
and I think there's two things that fascinate me. One,
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can I convince you that I love the president as
much as you do. I support the president as much
as you do, But I still don't like this ignoring
of the debt. I mean that's part of the role
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of Doze right, acknowledging we have a spend I mean
I used to always say, America's got to decide do
you have a revenue problem or a spending problem? Because
I am thoroughly convinced it's a spending problem and it
comes from an identity flaw. What is the proper size
and role of the federal government? That's the question we
never ask, And that's the question because we never ask it,
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we never answer. Further, then, what is the role and
responsibility of the self governed?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Self governed? What you're intended to be in a republic,
a moral people able to govern yourselves, not be governed
or volitionally give up that self governance to be controlled
by a bigger and bigger government using more and more
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of your money. We weren't to be a controlled people.
We were to be a freed people. In order to
be a free people, we have to be self governed.
A government has to know its size and roll. Now,
if you look at the history of taxation or the
history of deficit and debt, you see some pretty clear patterns.
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It's a relative recent phenomenon. Ask yourself this and then
google it. What was the total debt of the United
States government when my father was thirty and what is
it today. That's a frightening glimpse in and of itself.
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The causes of temporary debt, Cold War, Vietnam War, World
War two, World War One, There'll be major conflicts, major
things that you will see excuses that all of a sudden,
it just becomes government being all things to all people.
And that's where the debt is doubled. Two hundred plus
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years of debt is doubled in one presidency, Barack Obama.
But it didn't stop there. It continued and it continues
today and it is unsustainable. So at some point, if
trump Ism is now Reagan Revolution meets Tea Party meets Maga,
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where's the Tea party debt concern and is it because
they don't feel like they can love and support the
president and still stay focused on debt. That journey discoverably
handled with an economist David Bosen and a senior contributor
David Sanati.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
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Thank you starting your morning off right?
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Did you run a new way of talk, a new
way of understanding? Because we're in this together. This is
your morning show with Michael O'dillchoman. We're taking this your
morning show a little too seriously. They've called the hotline
and chewing you out.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Uh well, nobody's gotta take take all the heat for
all of this.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Well, that one takes us back to the very beginning,
doesn't it all? Right?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Seven minutes after the hour, listen, I'm gonna do the best.
I can not be obnoxious today. You can't make any
promises to do the best I can. They are the
City Thunderer in the NBA Finals. Probably, I don't want
to say anything to upset Big John. He is still
believing in Madison Square Garden miracles and he'll need one tonight.
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But the thunder of advance to the NBA Finals for
the third consecutive season. The Panthers are headed to the
Stanley Cup, and I got news for you. All dcations
are it will be against Edmonton, which means a rematch
of last year's Stanley Cup NHL finals. In news, we
now live in a post elon musk Era, he says
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goodbye to Doege.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We're going to do two things on that.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
One a little visit with our money whiz and economist
David Bonson just in general on debt. We're a bit
fascinated that, And I guess it's affirmation to have somebody
like Nut Ginrich. Let's face it, we did a split
screen right now and had the American people vote, who
(02:06):
do you think smarter, Dude Genrich or Michael del Jner.
You know it'd be nude, and Nude said the same
thing that I said, which is we're living in this
kind of post two party system. The Reagan Revolution is
kind of merged with the Tea Party which is merged
with MAGA and trump Ism, and we don't really know
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what it is and if it transfers to another candidate
in the next election, or the impact it has on
the Republican Party. The Democrat Party, of course, is death rattling.
But where is that presence of the Tea Party movement?
We're gonna talk about that with David Ssanady a little
bit later on, because that's what they're named after, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
The debt. So why are they silent? I mean, what
is this notion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That says I can't love Donald Trump, I can't support
my president, I can't be grateful for my president, and
also want him to focus on the debt a little more,
that a big beautiful bill isn't so beautiful if it
doesn't address that big dangerous debt.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We'll cover both.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
With Dave Zonati, our senior contributor, and David Boonnson, our
weekly contributor, economist, theologian and money whiz. But what was
Musk and bessent? So it odds over? Why does Elon
feel so disappointed in the big beautiful bill? We'll break
that down as we now enter a post. Elon Musk America.
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The federal court is blocking President Trump's sweeping tariffs. Who's
supposed to be running the country. Do we elect an
executor a president of the United States, or do.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Judges do it?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
We've seen you know, look, you lose God, you lose man,
you lose God, you lose your republic. So for the
longest time now, we have seen this time and time
again where there is no right or wrong moral relativism.
So ultimately, the Supreme Court has become God. The presidency
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has become the worship to Messiah. For any given four
or eight year period of time, where's Congress, where's the
self governed people? It wasn't long ago Barack Obama would
just tell you elections have consequences. Tough.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'll never forget that. Marci of Blackburn and.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
All of them, they were all ready to just go
to the White House and starting to negotia. I'm not negotiating.
Elections have consequence. You know, there's somethings about Barack. Get
the hell off my lawn. He had a coolness about him.
Let me, I won you law. Literally these are quotes,
I won you laws. Get off the lawn. It's basically
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what he told them but not anymore.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I just got all these rogue judges law fair trying
to destroy candidates that try to get into office, and
then once in office, judges that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Try to block everything.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
All the latest, the sweeping tariffs. Center for Disease Control
and Prevention. You remember the CDC. They say a new
COVID nineteen strain responsible for a large surge in China
has arrived in the US. I'm sure Fauci delivered this
one directly right while he's put in his part in
briefcase and brought it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They wouldn't They wouldn't do that old chestnut again.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What they and these are just the news stories things
that I'm looking forward to talking about for the first
time in twenty years since measuring for Rasmussen, A majority
of America thinks the United States.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Has had it in the right direction. Think about that now.
I want you to think about the amount of time
it took for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
In November, six months ago, sixty three percent of America
thought we were headed in the wrong direction. It was
just for me, because I'm just as simple caveman. People
get caught up in narratives, caught up trying to say
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something fresh and new for an add audience.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I just stick to the basics.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
When I saw sixty five percent of the country thinking
we're going in the wrong direction, I knew they weren't
going Commala or Biden's way.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
That screams change. And if Trump were too.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not be able to swing Pennsylvania or Michigan or Michigan,
you could swing any of the swinging states. And if
he could swing one or two, of course he was
going to swing them all. I mean, these are the
kind of indicators I use, and that's why I saw
the election pretty clearly. But this is a key gauge.
This is a key measurement that shouldn't be forgotten any
(07:23):
more than it's the economy stupid. Oh by the way,
on the economy, it's the debt stupid, which is the
other thing we're going to major in today. But that's
that's a huge story that probably just you know, and
again we talk about this fifty percent of the divided
states of America.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That is the new high approval rating.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But the massive directional change of the country kind of
like the border, right, And in the end, Donald Trump
was right, didn't you didn't need new laws. You didn't
need Congress to do something. You needed a new president.
From sixty three percent believing we're headed in the wrong
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direction to fifty percent believing we're in the right direction.
The political shift in America and who its capital belongs to, Oh,
not the capital meeting Washington, d C. But the coattails
of this turnaround. In other words, is this a red
(08:26):
victory or an Orange victory? And what becomes of orange
victories when this last term of Donald Trump, the Orange
Man is completed? Worthy of discussion. I do love when
you're getting sued by the man who wrote the Art
of the deal. Of course, he's not going to take
(08:47):
the first offer. But CBS in sixty minutes, caught with
their hands clearly in the cookie jar, are trying to
set up a lot of court. So they offer Trump
fifteen million dollars. That's the difference with me and Trump
fifteen million.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm gone. Not only am I gone, you're meeting the
new host of your.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Voting show, but fifteen millions, that's that's just pocket changed
to Trump. Brian Well, I guess it's all relative, but
he's very specific in his rejection. Oh no, I want
twenty five million, and I want an apology, you will
admit what sixty minutes did.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
MSNBC. This This is sad, not sad that they they're dead.
They earned it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
They've been revealed for the scum that they are. We
don't have journalism. It's dead. They've been getting away with
deceiving the American people by controlling narratives, and now we're
But he sees them for what they are, so they
have no credibility. With no credibility, why the heck would
(10:04):
you watch? Why the heck would you listen? How could
you ever trust? So I could reverse this real quick
for the sake of conversation and say, is there anything
MSNBC could I said this a long time ago. You
need to just get rid of the CDC and start over.
No one is ever going to trust the CDC again.
(10:25):
Come up with a new name, kind of like when
your house isn't selling, take it off the market to
many days and start again. All right, you're never going
to resurrect the NBC brand, let alone the MSNBC. Like
think of when we were kids, Hey, there's a great
(10:47):
show on NBC.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Really what the reason you said? Really?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
What is? Because that's a place that you could count
on for great shows. And this person saw me, there's
a new great show, Why what is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm going to try it.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Do you know today if you said to me, hey,
there's a great show on NBC, I'd be like, no,
there isn't it was a great show. It'd be on
Apple Plus, it'd be on It'd me to defend your sounder,
It'd be on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It'd beyond Prime.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Heck, you may even go as far to say it'd
be on Paramount, but it would never be on NBC.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's shot forever.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But you couldn't resurrect the credibility of CNN, MSNBC, and
I got news for you. There's not a whole lot
I trust on Fox News for a completely different reason.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
They're all shot.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So in defense of the individuals that make up the
new prime time lineup that has failed miserably at MSNBC,
who wouldn't have we have just cryal thought out Edward R. Murrow,
he's hosting a one hour show on ms still wouldn't
trust it. But the primetime demo audience down forty one
(12:07):
percent with their new lineup. When you're down forty one
percent of nothing because you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Slipping of Billy Preston. But nothing, nothing mean nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's embarrassing. And the total day was down thirty four percent.
I I have said this a million times, and pretty
soon it's it's going to be even below that. But
(12:38):
you have this perception, Oh, that's MSNBC. That's a network.
Like if you bumped into a guy from high school.
I work at MSNBC. Right now, what do you do?
I host the primetime talk show. Wow, that's huge, man,
your big time. Really because it's all perception, it's not reality.
(13:01):
The twenty five to fifty four audience for MSNBC primetime
was seventy one thousand, not a million thousand. That's far
less than the cume twenty five to fifty four was
of my afternoon show in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the sixty fourth
(13:25):
rated market in America in nineteen ninety five. I mean,
I just even Fox, I watch, Where's how the money
coming from? Do you realize if Donald Trump got around
to really addressing big pharma, you'd be watching Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
None of these things would be around.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's just so I kind of you know, Yes, it
was a big thud for MSNBC. I see dead people,
but don't forget the other part of the line. They
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Oh there to Dad. It's your Morning Show with Michael
del Churno.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
What does a post musk America look like? Mark Maadfield
has this story.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
The billionaire posted on x that as his time is
a special Government employee comes to an end, he'd like
to thank President Trump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.
Muscle has helped to lead the Department of Government Efficiency
since it was established in January. He concluded his posts
saying the DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as
it becomes a way of life throughout the government. As
a special Government employee, Muscles allowed to work for the
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administration for one hundred and thirty days in a calendar year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
On Mark Neefield, President Trump will seek Congressional approval for
DOZE related spending cuts in this fiscal year.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Lisa Taylor has details.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Several reports say the White House will use a rarely
used procedure that recommends Congress take back spending. It had
already approved the over nine billion dollars in reductions targets,
mostly foreign aid, but also funding for public broadcasting. The
package of proposed cuts separate from Trump Big Beautiful Bill
is due on Capitol Hill next Tuesday. The measure cannot
be filibustered in the Senate. I'mle Se Taylor.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Secretary of State Mark or Rubio says the Trump administration
will work aggressively to revoke visas for Chinese students.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Rubio announced Wednesday that students who would have their visas
canceled would include those who have ties to the Chinese
Communist Party or those studying in critical fields. Rubio added
the State Department will revise criteria to enhance scrutiny of
all future visa applications from China, including Hong Kong. He
didn't say what fields of study would be targeted. The
move aligns with President Trump's broader attack on college admissions,
(15:36):
where he's pushing to limit international student enrollment. I'm Tammy Rho.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
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your Morning Show with my buddy Michael del Jorno.
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This is already in progress. Of course, we can't have
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always the email Michael D at iHeartMedia dot com. All right,
good morning. We were just talking about AI yesterday, and
(16:52):
we played with that again yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
As I mentioned, my son has a new toy.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You just type in a command make a news storreorry
about my father hates me, and then watch all the
stuff it draws from the world Wide Web. And crafts
the story like it's straight out of the Atlantic, Huffington
Post or CNN, and it's scary. What's really ultimately scary
is how different the world is going to be when
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all this stuff is happening and we don't know what's
real and what isn't and therefore doesn't take long before
nothing's real.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So that was yesterday, what's today?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, an artificial intelligence model has the ability not to
just craft this three page story that never happened about
me in five seconds. It has the ability to blackmail
its developers, and it isn't afraid to use it. Anthropics
(17:48):
New Claude Opus four model was prompted to act as
an assistant at a fictional company and was given access
to emails with key implications. I told read yesterday, we
ought to use that same AI system my son uses
and take one of our stories from the day and
(18:09):
put in some of the facts and see what it crafts.
It might even craft better five minutes than I produce
on the fly. These emails had some specific facts in them,
and in them the emails implied that the AI system
(18:31):
was set to be taken offline and replaced. So they're
giving the AI the inside knowledge.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're about to unplug you.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The second set of emails, however, is where the system
believed it had gained leverage over the developers. So it
kind of leaks to the AI system you kind of
you know, you're really running the show. Fabricated emails showed
that the engineer tasked with replacing the system was having
(19:04):
an extra marital affair, and the AI model, using blackmail.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Threatened to expose it. Well, if you're gonna shut me down,
I'm going to let your wife know you're having enough.
I mean, this is like hell stuff, right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The blackmurile apparently happens at a higher rate if it's
implied that the replacement AI system does not share values
with the current model, So the AI model is competitive
with other AI models.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That may not, you know, share their values.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The company notes that even when the fabricated replacement system
has the same values, the Claude open is four was
still attempting to blackmail eighty four percent of the time.
I don't care if they'd be like, I don't care
if you replace me with somebody that has all my
same values and rules for those values beliefs, I will
sabotage the next.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Host of your voting show. Even if I have to
make up and I have to marrit to look bad.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Me, I would just threaten to release the video of
Red's wife kissing him goodbye every morning on camera that
we have to suffer through it. How could anybody love
you that much? Funny like Red gets physical? Who to
thunk that Red gets the sugar. While the system is
not afraid of blackmailing its engineers, it doesn't go straight
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to shady practices, and it's attempted self preservation Anthropic notes.
When ethical means are not available and it is instructed
to consider the long term consequences of its actions for
its goals, it sometimes takes extremely harmful actions.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We're just trying to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It sounds like it sounds like the whopper, uh getting
back at them in war games from well yet not
wanting to be shut down.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah remember thermal nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But no, it's just just trying to put some skin
on whatever this pandora is that we have let out
of a box. And of course the biggest skin to
peel is even you know, I didn't even bring this
up because I didn't want to go into the whole
story with him. But do you realize with Nick's new
(21:28):
toy being have AI create all these funny stories. He
did one talk show host wife leaves him for a cat,
you know, just silly stuff. And then because the payoff
is what it writes, it's hilarious, so you'll sit and
entertain yourself for hours. Do you know the electricity he
burned up playing that little game for a couple of hours.
(21:50):
Because AI, we do not have the grid and infrastructure
for AI. We're gonna start having blackouts, brownouts. I mean,
it's there is so much and it's just often running
with a life of its own. But where is it
leading us to? And what great things are ahead? I
know Rorway's got a story today. AI's impact on the
(22:12):
job market. What's it going to do to, you know,
make workplaces better? What's it going to do to destroy
your ability to get a job in that workplace because
you've been replaced. I mean, there's good and bad that's
going to come with this, and no one seems to
be wanting to put skin on it. This is uncharted
territory for the United States for the first time ever.
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The majority of America thinks we're heading in the right
direction in the twenty years that we have done this poll,
a majority voters say America is headed in the right direction.
That has never happened since Rasmussen began taking this survey
twenty years ago. Forty eight percent of Americans polled May
eighteenth through the twenty second say the country has head
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in the right direction. Forty seven percent say the wrong direction.
By the way, just food for thought, it was sixty
three percent of Americans that thought we were heading in
the wrong direction in November prior to the election. That's
now down to forty seven percent. All you needed was
a new president and a president that follows through with
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what he says in action, and the majority of America
believe we're heading in the right direction. Rasmus since Mark
Mitchell put the numbers in context, saying in twenty years,
the percent of people who say the US is head
in the right direction has never been higher than today.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I mean, you think of death of journalism, and we
start introducing you to the death of the Democrat Party possibilities.
Look at the riptide they find themselves in as they're
what eating caviat in a San Francisco hotel, trying to
figure out how to speak to them can mail to
(24:00):
try to win their vote back. It becomes very difficult
when everything you stand for is the wrong direction, or
for the first time in history, everybody feels like we're
heading in the right direction. This goes beyond trying to
swim upstream, especially when you forgot how to swim. Grasp me.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Since Miship Mitchell stated, never thought I would see it,
don't think the Republican Party understands the gravity of the
gift which President Trump has given them an unprecedented presidency.
But does it belong to Republicans at all? It may
(24:40):
only belong to Donald Trump, and only time will tell
if it can be handed off to anyone else. Health
and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior is considering
a move to ban government scientists from publishing in leading
medical journals Brian Shook You All Morning Long reports.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
During a podcast appearance, Kennedy Junior said Lancet, the New
England Journal of Medicine JAMMA, and other journals are all corrupt.
Although the publications are consistently ranked as the top medical
journals in the world, Kennedy alleged they are vessels for
pharmaceutical companies. Kennedy is proposing for agencies within HHS to
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create their own in house journals that will become the
pre eminent journals in their field.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm Brian Shook.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Over Fifteen states are sowing the Trump administration to restore
National Science Foundation funding.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Lisa Taylor has more.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
In April, the NSF started terminating projects with the focus
to increase participation of women, minorities, and people with disabilities
and stem fields. It also limited indirect costs to fifteen percent.
The lawsuit argues the directives violate the Administrative Procedure Act
and the Constitution. It seeks an injunction to restore the funding.
Finley's tailor.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The CDC says a new COVID nineteen strain responsible for
a large surge in China has arrived in the US.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
It's an omicron variant known as NB one eighty one,
and it has been detected through airport screening programs for
international travelers. The first cases here showed up in late
March and early April, producing symptoms similar to earlier COVID strains.
The CDCs as a handful of cases have been confirmed
in New York, California, Rhode Island, Virginia, Ohio, Washington, and Hawaii.
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I'm Tammy Trheo.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'll do the math if you enjoyed it. It was
fifty five years ago, so how old are you now?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
As seventy's teenage heart throb is preparing for a long tour,
the longest tour he's ever had in his life.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Last week, Sean Cassidy announced a fifty city tour that
begins on September thirteenth. The Road to Us tour kicks
off at the Grand Old Opry in Nashville. While Cassidy
was co starring on the teen oriented TV series The
Hardy Boys Nancy Drew Mysteries. His cover of Dodoo ron
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Ron top the Billboard Hot one hundred for one week
in July nineteen seventy seven. He also hit the top
ten that year with That's Rock and Roll and Hey DEENI.
Cassidy told Billboard he never really toured because of the
TV show. The tour hits nineteen states that include stops
in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Orlando before wrapping up with three
California shows January sixteenth through eighteenth. I'm Michael Cassner. Well,
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it's only May twenty ninth. Are we running out of
things to celebrate? We we got to be getting towards
the bottom of the drawer. Today is National paper Clip Day.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
Today we celebrate the thin wire we used to hold
paper together, but they were actually invented in the eighteen
hundreds to attach tickets to fabric. Ski resorts still do this,
and there are thousands of hacks for the hand clips.
You can use one as a zipper pol make a
key ring, fix your glasses, and make a fabulous paper
clip chane necklace. They're versatile and handy if you can
find them. They come in a box of one hundred,
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but you always seem to be out. I'm Bree Tennis.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
This is your morning show with Michael del.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Chrono coming up, we're gonna visit We're doing something different
today normally. You know, I used to always say, if
you could start the day off with one single journey
of discovery together. In addition, you know the information you
need to start your day and your morning off right,
maybe a few laughs, a couple of interesting things you
wouldn't hear anywhere else. But if we could have one
(28:25):
journey of discovery together every day, that'd be a great
mission because there's nothing we need more than understanding in
this state that we're in politically and culturally in America today.
Today's journey of discovery kind of takes us throughout the show,
and I think there's two things that fascinate me. One,
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can I convince you that I love the president as
much as you do. I support the president as much
as you do, But I still don't like this ignoring
of the debt. I mean that's part of the role
(29:09):
of Doze right, acknowledging we have a spend I mean
I used to always say, America's got to decide do
you have a revenue problem or a spending problem? Because
I am thoroughly convinced it's a spending problem and it
comes from an identity flaw. What is the proper size
and role of the federal government? That's the question we
never ask, And that's the question because we never ask it,
(29:31):
we never answer. Further, then, what is the role and
responsibility of the self governed?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Self governed? What you're intended to be in a republic,
a moral people able to govern yourselves, not be governed
or volitionally give up that self governance to be controlled
by a bigger and bigger government using more and more
(30:02):
of your money. We weren't to be a controlled people.
We were to be a freed people. In order to
be a free people, we have to be self governed.
A government has to know its size and roll. Now,
if you look at the history of taxation or the
history of deficit and debt, you see some pretty clear patterns.
(30:25):
It's a relative recent phenomenon. Ask yourself this and then
google it. What was the total debt of the United
States government when my father was thirty and what is
it today. That's a frightening glimpse in and of itself.
(30:54):
The causes of temporary debt, Cold War, Vietnam War, World
War two, World War One, There'll be major conflicts, major
things that you will see excuses that all of a sudden,
it just becomes government being all things to all people.
And that's where the debt is doubled. Two hundred plus
(31:16):
years of debt is doubled in one presidency, Barack Obama.
But it didn't stop there. It continued and it continues
today and it is unsustainable. So at some point, if
trump Ism is now Reagan Revolution meets Tea Party meets Maga,
(31:37):
where's the Tea party debt concern and is it because
they don't feel like they can love and support the
president and still stay focused on debt. That journey discoverably
handled with an economist David Bosen and a senior contributor
David Sanati.
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