May 29, 2025 • 34 mins
It’s about the economy, and the economy is about the debt stupid.
Some of the big online sites – Facebook, Apple, Google and Netflix – have all been hit with a massive data breach. National Correspondent RORY O’NEILL has the latest on what we know – and what YOU can do to protect yourself.
We discuss with senior contributor Dave Zanotti why a Clinton-supporting, Soros-funded Scott Bessent got into a Trump cabinet —and how he has forced out Musk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, It's Michael.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're in the stagivin. This is your Morning Show with
Michae O'Dell Chuman seven minutes after the Hour, Walking to
Thursday made the twenty ninth twenty twenty five I will
start with this headline, It's why I'm in a good mood.
The Oklahoma City Thunder are headed to the NBA Finals,
winners last night over the Minnesota Timberwolves. They advanced the
NBA Finals against Sorry Big John, probably the Pacers, but
(00:37):
could still be the Knicks. It all begins one week
from tonight, and for the third consecutive season, the Panthers
are headed to the Stanley Cup Finals, and we may
get a rematch of last year's finals, as Edmonton is
up three games to one against the Stars. Center for
Disease Control is saying a new COVID nineteen strain responsible
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for a large surge, and China has arrived in the US,
and we now live in a post elon musk America
as Musk leaves Doge. Some big companies, big big online sites, Facebook, Apple, Google, Netflix,
have all been hit with a massive data breach. Oh,
(01:18):
I gotta change all my passwords. National correspondent for your
morning show, Roy O'Neil is here. Good morning, Rory. What happened? Yeah,
and I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Even remember my last password. I gotta change it again.
So now you have to go through that whole loop loop.
But about two hundred million passwords have apparently been exposed
after these digital thieves went online using malware to take
your passwords, as you said, to sites like Google and
Facebook and Microsoft, Apple, Snapchat, roadblocks PayPal with an exclamation
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point next to that one.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can we start over which ones do they not have
our data from? Yeah? Pretty much, that's about it.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Your iHeart website password seems to be secure, but there's
a website, a malware program called website Planet that apparently
gets in there and scrapes up some of your data
from your individual devices and it steals your passwords.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The auto fild data, email lists, documents, cookies gets all
that information. So the advice is as we do every
six months, just like I flass twice a day, I
change my passwords.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You know what I love actually and I believe this
in Obama. You and Deck are two of the best
reporters I have ever worked with in my life. And
you are really off the chart. But you're still not
above kissing the company's butt. You're still a little insecure.
I like it. You're always throwing something nice about iHeart. Yeah, well,
I'm like, what's our what's our story later today? That's why,
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because you could be replaced with a we did it.
We had to talk back from somebody. You know, we
did the story. I'm sure you've seen it. Uh, the
the one i AI application that they did, the little
experiment with any blackmailing it's programmers to try to preserve
its own life. I mean, it's amazing what's going on
with AI. And then you're going to be back with
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how could be affecting some of our jobs in the marketplace.
But no, I was just going to say this, this
falls under not that we don't know what to do.
We don't do what we know. I mean, this wouldn't
be a big issue, like have you ever gone to
like your experience if you do that account and see
I mean every day my password is breached somewhere dark web.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, it's on Your password is on the dark web.
I'm like, right, living a more interesting life than I am.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But okay, but all right, So but I guess my
next question would be, and I hope it's well, it
never is because you're a no adull. But so they
have our password, how how much in danger are we?
They still don't have our self security number, address, some
on and so forth. I guess they could get it.
Well they do, well, they do have your address.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
If they have that auto fill information that can sometimes
lead to your credit card data. Uh, you know, if
they can get to your account information at Netflix, maybe
they can see your credit card information posted there. Yeah,
you know when you go through it all, especially with
the cookies and the auto field information, and if you're
guilty of having one password for all those different things,
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which is another no no, they could really get into
your life pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You're not supposed to have the same password for all
you are not.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Password password one exclamation point with the capital P.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, that's not fooling anybody. Rory. What if it's lowercase
Rory will be finishing the rest of the hour while
I go and change seven and twenty two passwords. All right,
that's but this is uh, it's maybe one of the
bigger data breaches. Password data breaches, I mean, Facebook, Apple, Google, Netflix,
I mean, the list goes on and on, everyone, major
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changes to your passwords. I love this story. You know.
This goes back to these are all kinds of death
of journalism stories, you know. And again, the key to
it is the old line from sixth Sense. You know,
I see dead people, but everybody, you know you'll hear
people quote I see dead people. The best part of
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the line that should give you chills. And they don't
know they're dead. That's the part that made it creepy.
Seeing dead people was nothing new in a movie. But
dead people that don't know they're dead. And then, I mean, sorry,
I can't do a spoiler alert for a movie that's
three decades old. The ultimate thing, even though you're he's
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telling you that the ultimate that's the clue to the
ultimate surprise of the movie. The main character you're following
is dead. And not only does he not know it,
you don't know it. Chew on that for a second.
It's fascinating because that's what's happening. I turn on Fox,
and I'm trying to figure out how are all these
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people getting paid for such few viewers. Then I turn
on MSNBC and and I'm just blank. There's no way
there's money to pay all these people. There's nobody watching.
I don't say this to impress you. This is to
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impress upon you what I'm talking about. There are less
people watching MSNBC prime time. Then we're listening to me
when I was doing afternoons on KRMG in Tulsa, Oklahoma
in nineteen ninety five, and nobody thought I was a
big shot then. But you flip on these networks and
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we all talk about what they say. Why do we bother?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If I bring up something that MSNBC did last night,
more people just heard it than what have they watched MSNBC.
So this all kind of falls under death of journalism,
death of audience, death of revenue, depth of influence. And
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they got there a little bit by technology and a
lot by loss of credibility. I mean, we're right now
dealing with the unraveling of a fake presidency. You know,
I loved the nine to eleven Commission's ultimate conclusion was
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failure of imagination and inability for agencies to communicate everybody's dead.
We all lived through a second Pearl Harbor, and that
was the conclusion. And I was thinking to myself, of
I'm the only one that saw the Kurt Russell movie
Executive Decision, where the guy hijacks a plane with five
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radical Islamists and then uses this as not just leverage
to get somebody out of prison, but ultimately to deliver
it like a missile to strike fear into the heart
of the Infidel. Because that was long before nine to eleven.
While you were laughing your way through Kevin Klein and
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Sigournia Weaver's Dave, it happened for four years in reality.
So I don't know where sixty minutes and how they edited.
Trying to protect Kamala Harris, trying to steer an election,
I don't know where that fits in when you have
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an entire fake presidency. I mean, you're gonna hear that
in the sounds of the day. Yeah, it's a fake
presidency because it's a fake media. And now one of
the leaders of the fake media, Jake Tapper, is trying
to write the book Revealing the Fake Presidency, which gets
him to the point where he could admit, all politicians lie,
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and you should be suspicious, and all mainstream mediaize. And
we're already not watching, let alone suspicious. I mean, there's
so many layers of nonsense and failure here. But to
get back to the point of the story, So Donald
Trump sues CBS and they know they're going to lose
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for what they did in sixteen minutes, so they're trying
to settle out of court. They offer Donald Trump fifteen
million dollars to settle. Now, first of all, you're caught
red handed. He is the epitome of success and admiration
right now. You're the epitome of failure and mistrust right now.
And he wrote the book The Art of the Deal,
and you're trying to throw a fifteen million dollar offer
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at him. Of course, Donald Trump rejects it. The difference
is of sixty minutes had done a piece on me.
I accept the fifteen million instantly. I'm in Italy right
now with my wife and children on a boat about
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Jeff and Ridd. I gave you each I think it
was seventy five thousand, and said have a nice day
you were out. Thanks for taking me to the airport.
You really accept the first offer? What I me? Fifteen?
I'm fifteen million dollars. I'm gone, I'm out. What do
you holding out for? You're stuck in a little room
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that your wife lets you have. Right now, you wouldn't
take fifteen million dollars if someone was by the way
right has this whole house. But he gets one little
room for all of his bourbon and his toys. But
he goes, he goes. It's incident like a good dog.
But no, I be I'm I don't know what I know.
You know what? I don't think? All joking aside, if
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I got fifteen million dollars, I'd still be here the
next morning. I'm here because this is where God wants me.
This is this is my calling, this is my purpose,
and I love what I do and who I do.
I mean, of course I'm here. But I'm just saying,
that's a lot of money. But it's what he comes
back with, all right. So he's like, oh, we guys
want fifteen million. What's he gonna do? You trying to
take him? No, he comes back specifically, we want twenty
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five million, not fifteen and we want an apology from CBS.
Something tells me the apology is what he wants most.
But I mean, you two are here and everybody listening
you're here, doesn't that strike you out? I mean, if
I did just stop the story at Paramount Global, owners
of CBS in sixty minutes in recent days, offered Donald
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Trump fifteen million dollars to settle his lawsuit. The Trump
team rejected it. You would just your mind would go
somewhere completely different than when I finished the statement and
say countering with twenty five million and an apology just
kind of an apology from Scott Pelley on his knees on.
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The parties have discussed the tenetive mediation session, which is
set for Thursday. The lawsuit has hung over Paramount's planned
merger with Skydance Media. In other words, it's really not
about the fifteen or the twenty five million. It's how
you're holding up their merger. Merger is going to do
anything to salvage CBS their lack of credibility and audience.
One point of tension between McMahon and Paramount was a
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runwillingness issue an apology to Trump as part of a
potential settlement in the lawsuit. Disney in December settled a
defamation lawsuit against ABC News and star anchors George Stepanovlis
by contributing fifteen million dollars to Trump's presidential foundation or
a museum, and to pay one million dollars in legal
fees to Trump lawyers. But this one is far from over.
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It's holding up their merger and I'm just speculating, but
I think we're all speculating accurately. It's the public humiliation,
admittance an apology that Trump is holding out, and if
they want their merger, they may want to cave. I'm
down to one minute. I guess I could save it.
(12:55):
I don't know how, but I'll try. I'll give you
the gist of it. We talked about this earlier in
the Platinum ho Or if you want to listen to
the podcast more in depth. But look, if you're NBC,
let alone MSNBC, you're dead and you don't know it,
and you're apparently the only ones that don't know it.
So what could they have put in their new primetime
lineup on MSNBC that would have succeeded nothing? But they
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debuted their new lineup May fifth, the network saw it's
audience decline to near record lows, especially in the key
twenty five to fifty four age demographic, which, by the way,
radio television is all struggling to find because they've left
cable and terrestrial radio and television. But overall for May,
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MSNBC dropped forty one percent in primetime and thirty four
percent in total day. This is just frightening. MSNBC's total
day demo viewership sank to forty nine thousand average viewers
forty nine thousand. How do you pay the bills? How
do you pay a single person callery? There? And these
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shows have seventy people autumn down to seventy three thousands.
Their prime time average viewership of seventy three thousand is
less than the total number of listeners I had in
nineteen ninety five in the sixty fourth market. I don't
even I even't know how you compare this. You do
realize if anybody address this big pharma, these networks go dark.
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That's all that's left. But long story short, I see
dead networks. They just don't know it. What we do.
It's your Morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Of Nothing but Brian ship sounds like an AI reporter.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Pretty soon they're going to have to start selling insurance
for your four oh one k for when some beat steals.
And boy, Michael's like the old news, those things your
AI experiments. Yesterday I tried something similar. I just put
in tell me about in my name. In just a
few seconds, I got almost three pages of the last
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thirty years of my career, with only a few dates
being inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
He must love a clean life. Apparently there was nothing
for AI to blackmails. That just faded him out, just
faded him out. Now it's controlling his phone and he
doesn't even know him. I like the Shook thing.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That may explain why Brian Shook has blackmailed me if
I don't do two of his stories today. Roger from
Sacramento wrote in good morning, Michael, from one small market
to another, congratulations on your team making the NBA finals.
So I don't live in Oklahoma anymore. I lived there
twenty years in TELLSA, But you know two things have lingered. One.
I took my wife from there. My children were all
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born there. I'm still a Sooner fan, and I am
an Oklahoma City thunderfan and have been for the better
part of I don't know when's last time we were
there a decade ago. We got this close. We're on
our way to the NBA Finals with a big and
yes that is saying something for the smaller markets. Breton, Franklin, Tennessee.
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the podcast If you're just waking up. Elon mus says
he's leaving Doge. A federal court is blocking President Trump's
sweeping tariffs, and the Oklahoma City Thunder head of the
NBA Finals and for the third consecutive season, the Panthers
are headed to the Stanley Cup Finals. Good morning, and
welcome to Thursday. Made the twenty ninth year of our
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Lord twenty twenty five. I often say, if we can
have one good journey of discovery together every morning, that's victory.
Let's get started on one. Right now, our senior contributor,
David Sanati is joining us. Good morning, David, Good morning, Michael.
So I would set it up this way. First of all,
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it's called your morning show, not Trump's morning show, not
anybody Else's your morning show. You the listener. So we're
here to serve you. That's number one. And while we
love the president, support the president, agree with a lot
of things he does, there are some things we question,
not the least of which is why is a Clinton
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supported Sorrow's funded the scent Secretary of Treasury And why
do you get in a big fight with Elon Musk
and now it looks like Musk is missing and he's
still president. I mean, these are questions we should be
able to ask. Michael for asking them, And I'm with
you on this. This isn't about trying to support someone
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other than the president of.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
The United States. This is about what's happening to our country.
You know, you did recently did a great interview with
new Gingrich and newt Gamers, talked about American optimism and
looking forward to the future.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I know he's not here to defend himself.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
He'd be able to answer to this question, I think
I already know how we would answer the question. But
you know, for all the optimism and all of the
interesting connecting the dots of the progress of conservatism in America,
two things. One is, grown up as kids, you and
I had the image in cartoons, in films and everything
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else that the richer person became, the more conservative they became.
It was just kind of in the air, right. I mean,
you could start with Scrooge McDuck. It just no matter
what the Daddy Warbucks. If you know today that the
wealth of our country is not at all in the
hands of conservatism, it is in the hand of the
most radical liberal, matrix driven, technological and Wall Street people. Today,
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the wealthiest people in the world are the most radical
anti American, even in our own country.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now, we saw during this whole Trump triumph, to quote
the name of his book, people like Elon Musk, Google leaders,
Facebook leaders, all they're at the inauguration. But is that
really a trump Ism or a opportunistic moment or a
new occupant a victory for conservativism and Republicans. And I
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think the answer is we don't know yet, but not likely, right,
and probably most likely A and B because all those
guys sitting on that stage and this takes us, well,
this will take us back to scott percent. By the way,
this is going around here, all right. The key is
that the people.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Sitting on that stage all need massive government help.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
That's why they're there. They need nuclear power plants to
be able to produce AI and we don't have them,
and the government's got to get them or they want
to go to Mars. All right, They've got all kinds
of plans that make them trillionaires going forward now. But
in the case of RFK Junior and Telsey, Gabberd and
(20:00):
Klan must be they were on board before, but the
rest or after.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And by the way, i am also not wanting to
act like the older brother in the Prodigal Sun's story.
I'm happy for all these people to come closer to
the light.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, because I'm not the light. I'm just the
lucky guy should be you should say lucky. I'm just a
guy who, by the grace of God, sees a little
bit of it. I mean, you all come. It's one
of those things where it's one bigger telling another bigger
where to find a piece of bread.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
That's what we're talking about. But there's questions that don't
make sense. And here's what doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
If all of this conservatism is so effective, why are
we thirty five trillion dollars in debt? And why are
we in a.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Position in no matter who runs Congress, we can't stop
spending more money next year than we did this year.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I had sent a note to David just to share
with the class. You know, for all my love and
support for the president, I'm struggling to balance this, you know,
continued prioritized debt stabilization, let alone reduction that is absolutely
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paramount and necessary with this big, beautiful deal to which
you were already looking into the bessent elon Musk fight
and how one's now missing and the other isn't and
what don't we know about that one? And who a
president surrounds himself with And suddenly we realized we're both
concerned with the same thing, and really everyone that loves
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and supports the president like us listening, You shouldn't be
afraid to be concerned with the same thing. So what
can we learn and who am I am? I Besent
or Musk in terms of because that's the very revealing
thing that makes it more healed. Let's let's call it.
Let's call it inn A mcmahonnon. I mean, maybe maybe
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he needs to take over treasury, but so I think
we'll bring it. First of all, I think you know
we talk about how or I do. You haven't, but
I think you would agree that somehow Reagan Revolution meets
Tea Party movement meets MAGA and trump Ism is what
this this movement is. Well, but where's the Tea Party
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in that? Because the Tea Party was formed to address
debt and now it's silent. Listen, I don't have to
learn it. That's what he stood for. Tax enough already.
Why why? I mean, I can love Donald Trump and
still focus on reducing this debt and pronto.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So to be fair, and I think that this, say,
having this conversation about Pscent and Musk in the context
of Gingrich is really smart because you can see the
philosophies and where they're going. We're sure Musk comes into
this game and it falls into the silly, stupid trap
of picking up the chainsaw. That was a big mistake. Okay,
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so from a pr perspective, Musk didn't do himself any favors.
But Elon Musk gets it. He understands that unless you
op spending more every year, you will never get out
of this mess. The growth will never catch up.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
The Republican answer to everything is growth. Oh, I love
that answer. That's a really good answer.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay, But the fact is, you can't grow your way
out of a situation.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
If the hole is still in the bucket, you can't
get there. And the get there is really simple, Michael.
We just have to say, look, we only take in
four trillion dollars. We spend six trillion.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now the answer is if you and I had to
do this, what makes more spend less?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
With David Amsey and all the other Christians out there
who talk about this go integery, they would say, Michael,
you have to live on four trillion. That's the end
that you are a poor person. You are a broke person.
You can't go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You can't do this but beans, baby rice and beads
rison beans. And if you don't, Michael, not only are
you going to go bankrupt, you maybe go to jail.
You don't if you're in business and you're doing it,
you're going to jail. If you're an individual doing it
going bankrupt. But if it's the government, we have no
answer for that. How can that be moral?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
And then we turn around when somebody like Doage comes
in and must comes in and says we're gonna bust
up USA AID and people.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Go, oh my god, you took money for poor people.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Well wait a second, how do you give money that
you don't have to a poor person?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, if the bank robbers decided to give all
their money to charity, would that mean they were innocent? Oh,
by the way, David, I just knuck into your bank
account and gave ten thousand dollars to the Nashville Rescue Mission?
Are ty? God? Yes, Godley, except thank you point paid
better than mine. You're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
So the key is we're not even telling the government
that you've got to live on four trillion. We're telling
the government you're in trouble. You're spending six trillion. Okay,
you can't spend any more, and that becomes a world war.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why is the term zero based balanced budget? None of
this has even come up. It's not even a big
beautiful statement that's being made. All right, So can I
just want to do this on behalf of the listeners.
So elon Musk and Doge gets it. We have a
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spending problem and they were busy cutting it. Maybe not
with the greatest eloquence or finesse, but they were cutting it.
Does Bissett not agree with that?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
I think all we can know is this Bescent comes
from the world of George Soros. He worked for him twice,
very profitably. He made joy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Many people know that by the way that our secretary
of Treasury that Donald Trump chose, and it's clearly giving
a strong ear to his ties to sorrows. How'd that
end up in a Trump administration? That's the unanswerable question. Now, look,
maybe Bisons had a change of mind and heart and
Trump knows it. So therefore, thank you very much. And
you don't even know me the answer. I'll I'll withhold judgment.
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I just have a question.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
And what it comes back to is, look, Pscent made
sorrows a billion dollars in a day twice when they
shorted the British currency, and they shorted the end.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He's legendary on Wall Street and so.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
A lot of people who are pretty reckless on Wall
Street think very highly of Bescent. Okay, maybe that's a
human shield that Trump is using to have more influence
in Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
But the fact is I don't know that Bescent if
he got fired today, wouldn't go back to work for
sorrows tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And we can't simply say it doesn't matter on the
resume because George Soros runs the machine that runs the
money that runs the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
As recent as in the twenty fifteen era, becents giving
money to the Clintons. By definition, that's a strange Bedfellow
senior contributor Dividgenon Zinati joining us. Let's ust out this
fight with Elon Musk. What do we know? This is
shouting match for sure, right.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Well, and here's the thing that's fascinating is The Atlantic
not only covered it, they covered it in a major
story that started with three gigantic f bombs that they
attribute just got percent. But even more significant than that
is the fact that they acknowledged that there were fourteen
people who leaked to them to tell them the story.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Wait a minute, we haven't cut off the leaks to
the Atlantic yet we have achieved that after that, we
haven't cut off the leaks at all, and the leaks
are between Musk and Descent, and so which one has
the more concern for fiscal integrity and for reducing See,
you can't get there unless you listen to what Musk
was saying. Now, you don't have to have Musk around,
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but if you're throwing them out with the f US,
then at that stage in the game you got to
ask yourself. Does the percent want us to stop over spending?
Does he want us to reach fiscal integrity? Or is
he just playing along for four years? I don't know.
We talked about how important now it's called big Beautiful Bill,
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but basically it was just making permanent to remove the
uncertainty of the Trump tax cuts. It's grown much bigger
than that, and with it a five trillion dollar debt
tag over ten years. Yeah, I've heard three, I've heard five.
Now let's listen. What's running out for just a second? Listen.
That means that's probably eight. But sorry, so I'm getting
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everybody mad at me instead of you, Hey David for
bringing up this inconvenient truth.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Okay, five trillion over ten years would mean that we're
still overspending two trillion a year, So in essence, If
that's the case, then what they've done is they've said
what I just said, we take in four, we spend six,
and that's two a year, and it's a yearly budget,
so five years would add ten. So in essence, they're
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saying they're going to freeze the budget at its current
two trillion dollar deficit rate for the next five years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's fine, and that's redirected, reprioritize, but it hasn't affected
the trajectory of the amount of our budget that goes
to interest and the dangers of debt and how we're
all paying for it now in inflation and it'll destroy
our life very soon.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And so what they're in essence saying is I'll watch
my language here. We'll just say what they're saying is
blank doge. In other words, what Elon was saying is
we can save a trillion in fraud, waste, mismanagement, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Forget it. We're just going to.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say we're two trillion over. We're going to stay two
trillion over. We're going to stay two trillion over for
the next five years. And of course here's the big
thing about that Congress can't spend money.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But one year at a time.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
In other words, not only does this budget only last
for one year, they can change it next year, but
every two years it's a new Congress. So whatever they
agreed to on what the budget was going to be
over the next ten years could be completely revised in
two years because Congress can't pass fiscal laws going forward
in perpetuity. They can only pass them for the duration
of the session that they're in. So did they really
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change anything? Maybe maybe that's one piece of the puzzle.
But without the doze work, without the actual evaluation of
the size of this government, you can't get there. And
it looks like Scott Pissent is a part of the
team that just threw elon Musk overboard, overboard.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right. So in closing moments with David Sinaudi, your
senior contributor, and we'll talk more about this and we'll
follow more forward. We should understand that these are questions
that must be asked. And they don't mean you don't
support the president and doesn't mean you don't love the president.
But I don't have to tell you there's a lot
of people that's all they're going to hear.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Michael, this is a task that's going to take us
at least ten years to fix and so going to
we're going to give their step at a time. This
is going to go way, way, way past Donald Trump,
and it precedes Donald Trump by far more than ten years.
It goes forty years. The fiscal numbers haven't changed. As
long as the federal government is the bank, then they
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can continue to outspend because all they got to do
is go print more money somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We've got to get to zero. And you would think
at some point, if this is on the older end
Reagan Revolution, in the middle Tea Party movement and the
very young end MAGA and trump Ism, maybe that middle
part Tea Party movement and bringing the debt and the
threat of the debt and the importance of reducing the
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debt to the front burner should be a part of
whatever this new Americanism is. Yeah, and it's you know,
I'll tell you something else, Michael, it's new Americanism. It's
got nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican
or an independent as to the fact that it is
immoral to spend what you don't have, particularly if you're
the bank. This is you Your Morning show with Michael
(32:02):
del Chono. Welcome to a post Elon Musk Trump presidency.
Elon has left OJE. Mark Mayfield has the story.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
The Billionaire posted on x that as his time is
a special government employee comes to an end, he'd like
to thank President Trump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.
Musc has helped to lead the Department of Government Efficiency
since it was established in January. He concluded his posts
saying the DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as
it becomes a way of life throughout the government. As
a special Government employee, Muscle was allowed to work for
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the administration for one hundred and thirty days in a
calendar year.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I'm Mark Neyfield that officials are worrying about facing difficult
trade offs if tariff negotiations should reaggravate inflation. Brian Shuck reports, according.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
To minutes released from their meeting earlier this month, officials
are concerned tariffs could create a difficult issue with interest
rate policy. However, officials ultimately decided the best couurtse was
to keep rate steady with the benchmark federal funds rate
in a target between four point two five percent to
four point five percent.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm Brian Shook Well. Leonard SKINNERD has released a new
music video for a song they made famous more than
five decades ago.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
The band's first official video for the nineteen seventy three
classic Freebird, premiered last week. The video starts with an
older man looking through a photo album, then cuts to
his younger self on a motorcycle the day he met
a woman who would become his wife. Back to the
present time, the man gets his motorcycle out of the
garage and takes a joy ride like he did in
his younger days as the video jumps back and forth
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between present and past. Leonard Skinnered is on their fiftieth
anniversary tour and a live album is dubout next month.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm Mark Mayfield. We're all in this together. This is
your morning show with Michael and Heel Joiner
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We're in the stagivin. This is your Morning Show with
Michae O'Dell Chuman seven minutes after the Hour, Walking to
Thursday made the twenty ninth twenty twenty five I will
start with this headline, It's why I'm in a good mood.
The Oklahoma City Thunder are headed to the NBA Finals,
winners last night over the Minnesota Timberwolves. They advanced the
NBA Finals against Sorry Big John, probably the Pacers, but
(00:37):
could still be the Knicks. It all begins one week
from tonight, and for the third consecutive season, the Panthers
are headed to the Stanley Cup Finals, and we may
get a rematch of last year's finals, as Edmonton is
up three games to one against the Stars. Center for
Disease Control is saying a new COVID nineteen strain responsible
(00:57):
for a large surge, and China has arrived in the US,
and we now live in a post elon musk America
as Musk leaves Doge. Some big companies, big big online sites, Facebook, Apple, Google, Netflix,
have all been hit with a massive data breach. Oh,
(01:18):
I gotta change all my passwords. National correspondent for your
morning show, Roy O'Neil is here. Good morning, Rory. What happened? Yeah,
and I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Even remember my last password. I gotta change it again.
So now you have to go through that whole loop loop.
But about two hundred million passwords have apparently been exposed
after these digital thieves went online using malware to take
your passwords, as you said, to sites like Google and
Facebook and Microsoft, Apple, Snapchat, roadblocks PayPal with an exclamation
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point next to that one.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can we start over which ones do they not have
our data from? Yeah? Pretty much, that's about it.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Your iHeart website password seems to be secure, but there's
a website, a malware program called website Planet that apparently
gets in there and scrapes up some of your data
from your individual devices and it steals your passwords.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The auto fild data, email lists, documents, cookies gets all
that information. So the advice is as we do every
six months, just like I flass twice a day, I
change my passwords.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
You know what I love actually and I believe this
in Obama. You and Deck are two of the best
reporters I have ever worked with in my life. And
you are really off the chart. But you're still not
above kissing the company's butt. You're still a little insecure.
I like it. You're always throwing something nice about iHeart. Yeah, well,
I'm like, what's our what's our story later today? That's why,
(02:47):
because you could be replaced with a we did it.
We had to talk back from somebody. You know, we
did the story. I'm sure you've seen it. Uh, the
the one i AI application that they did, the little
experiment with any blackmailing it's programmers to try to preserve
its own life. I mean, it's amazing what's going on
with AI. And then you're going to be back with
(03:08):
how could be affecting some of our jobs in the marketplace.
But no, I was just going to say this, this
falls under not that we don't know what to do.
We don't do what we know. I mean, this wouldn't
be a big issue, like have you ever gone to
like your experience if you do that account and see
I mean every day my password is breached somewhere dark web.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, it's on Your password is on the dark web.
I'm like, right, living a more interesting life than I am.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But okay, but all right, So but I guess my
next question would be, and I hope it's well, it
never is because you're a no adull. But so they
have our password, how how much in danger are we?
They still don't have our self security number, address, some
on and so forth. I guess they could get it.
Well they do, well, they do have your address.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
If they have that auto fill information that can sometimes
lead to your credit card data. Uh, you know, if
they can get to your account information at Netflix, maybe
they can see your credit card information posted there. Yeah,
you know when you go through it all, especially with
the cookies and the auto field information, and if you're
guilty of having one password for all those different things,
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which is another no no, they could really get into
your life pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You're not supposed to have the same password for all
you are not.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Password password one exclamation point with the capital P.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, that's not fooling anybody. Rory. What if it's lowercase
Rory will be finishing the rest of the hour while
I go and change seven and twenty two passwords. All right,
that's but this is uh, it's maybe one of the
bigger data breaches. Password data breaches, I mean, Facebook, Apple, Google, Netflix,
I mean, the list goes on and on, everyone, major
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changes to your passwords. I love this story. You know.
This goes back to these are all kinds of death
of journalism stories, you know. And again, the key to
it is the old line from sixth Sense. You know,
I see dead people, but everybody, you know you'll hear
people quote I see dead people. The best part of
(05:10):
the line that should give you chills. And they don't
know they're dead. That's the part that made it creepy.
Seeing dead people was nothing new in a movie. But
dead people that don't know they're dead. And then, I mean, sorry,
I can't do a spoiler alert for a movie that's
three decades old. The ultimate thing, even though you're he's
(05:32):
telling you that the ultimate that's the clue to the
ultimate surprise of the movie. The main character you're following
is dead. And not only does he not know it,
you don't know it. Chew on that for a second.
It's fascinating because that's what's happening. I turn on Fox,
and I'm trying to figure out how are all these
(05:53):
people getting paid for such few viewers. Then I turn
on MSNBC and and I'm just blank. There's no way
there's money to pay all these people. There's nobody watching.
I don't say this to impress you. This is to
(06:13):
impress upon you what I'm talking about. There are less
people watching MSNBC prime time. Then we're listening to me
when I was doing afternoons on KRMG in Tulsa, Oklahoma
in nineteen ninety five, and nobody thought I was a
big shot then. But you flip on these networks and
(06:33):
we all talk about what they say. Why do we bother?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If I bring up something that MSNBC did last night,
more people just heard it than what have they watched MSNBC.
So this all kind of falls under death of journalism,
death of audience, death of revenue, depth of influence. And
(07:03):
they got there a little bit by technology and a
lot by loss of credibility. I mean, we're right now
dealing with the unraveling of a fake presidency. You know,
I loved the nine to eleven Commission's ultimate conclusion was
(07:27):
failure of imagination and inability for agencies to communicate everybody's dead.
We all lived through a second Pearl Harbor, and that
was the conclusion. And I was thinking to myself, of
I'm the only one that saw the Kurt Russell movie
Executive Decision, where the guy hijacks a plane with five
(07:50):
radical Islamists and then uses this as not just leverage
to get somebody out of prison, but ultimately to deliver
it like a missile to strike fear into the heart
of the Infidel. Because that was long before nine to eleven.
While you were laughing your way through Kevin Klein and
(08:13):
Sigournia Weaver's Dave, it happened for four years in reality.
So I don't know where sixty minutes and how they edited.
Trying to protect Kamala Harris, trying to steer an election,
I don't know where that fits in when you have
(08:34):
an entire fake presidency. I mean, you're gonna hear that
in the sounds of the day. Yeah, it's a fake
presidency because it's a fake media. And now one of
the leaders of the fake media, Jake Tapper, is trying
to write the book Revealing the Fake Presidency, which gets
him to the point where he could admit, all politicians lie,
(08:55):
and you should be suspicious, and all mainstream mediaize. And
we're already not watching, let alone suspicious. I mean, there's
so many layers of nonsense and failure here. But to
get back to the point of the story, So Donald
Trump sues CBS and they know they're going to lose
(09:16):
for what they did in sixteen minutes, so they're trying
to settle out of court. They offer Donald Trump fifteen
million dollars to settle. Now, first of all, you're caught
red handed. He is the epitome of success and admiration
right now. You're the epitome of failure and mistrust right now.
And he wrote the book The Art of the Deal,
and you're trying to throw a fifteen million dollar offer
(09:39):
at him. Of course, Donald Trump rejects it. The difference
is of sixty minutes had done a piece on me.
I accept the fifteen million instantly. I'm in Italy right
now with my wife and children on a boat about
(10:00):
Jeff and Ridd. I gave you each I think it
was seventy five thousand, and said have a nice day
you were out. Thanks for taking me to the airport.
You really accept the first offer? What I me? Fifteen?
I'm fifteen million dollars. I'm gone, I'm out. What do
you holding out for? You're stuck in a little room
(10:20):
that your wife lets you have. Right now, you wouldn't
take fifteen million dollars if someone was by the way
right has this whole house. But he gets one little
room for all of his bourbon and his toys. But
he goes, he goes. It's incident like a good dog.
But no, I be I'm I don't know what I know.
You know what? I don't think? All joking aside, if
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I got fifteen million dollars, I'd still be here the
next morning. I'm here because this is where God wants me.
This is this is my calling, this is my purpose,
and I love what I do and who I do.
I mean, of course I'm here. But I'm just saying,
that's a lot of money. But it's what he comes
back with, all right. So he's like, oh, we guys
want fifteen million. What's he gonna do? You trying to
take him? No, he comes back specifically, we want twenty
(11:05):
five million, not fifteen and we want an apology from CBS.
Something tells me the apology is what he wants most.
But I mean, you two are here and everybody listening
you're here, doesn't that strike you out? I mean, if
I did just stop the story at Paramount Global, owners
of CBS in sixty minutes in recent days, offered Donald
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Trump fifteen million dollars to settle his lawsuit. The Trump
team rejected it. You would just your mind would go
somewhere completely different than when I finished the statement and
say countering with twenty five million and an apology just
kind of an apology from Scott Pelley on his knees on.
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The parties have discussed the tenetive mediation session, which is
set for Thursday. The lawsuit has hung over Paramount's planned
merger with Skydance Media. In other words, it's really not
about the fifteen or the twenty five million. It's how
you're holding up their merger. Merger is going to do
anything to salvage CBS their lack of credibility and audience.
One point of tension between McMahon and Paramount was a
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runwillingness issue an apology to Trump as part of a
potential settlement in the lawsuit. Disney in December settled a
defamation lawsuit against ABC News and star anchors George Stepanovlis
by contributing fifteen million dollars to Trump's presidential foundation or
a museum, and to pay one million dollars in legal
fees to Trump lawyers. But this one is far from over.
(12:34):
It's holding up their merger and I'm just speculating, but
I think we're all speculating accurately. It's the public humiliation,
admittance an apology that Trump is holding out, and if
they want their merger, they may want to cave. I'm
down to one minute. I guess I could save it.
(12:55):
I don't know how, but I'll try. I'll give you
the gist of it. We talked about this earlier in
the Platinum ho Or if you want to listen to
the podcast more in depth. But look, if you're NBC,
let alone MSNBC, you're dead and you don't know it,
and you're apparently the only ones that don't know it.
So what could they have put in their new primetime
lineup on MSNBC that would have succeeded nothing? But they
(13:19):
debuted their new lineup May fifth, the network saw it's
audience decline to near record lows, especially in the key
twenty five to fifty four age demographic, which, by the way,
radio television is all struggling to find because they've left
cable and terrestrial radio and television. But overall for May,
(13:40):
MSNBC dropped forty one percent in primetime and thirty four
percent in total day. This is just frightening. MSNBC's total
day demo viewership sank to forty nine thousand average viewers
forty nine thousand. How do you pay the bills? How
do you pay a single person callery? There? And these
(14:02):
shows have seventy people autumn down to seventy three thousands.
Their prime time average viewership of seventy three thousand is
less than the total number of listeners I had in
nineteen ninety five in the sixty fourth market. I don't
even I even't know how you compare this. You do
realize if anybody address this big pharma, these networks go dark.
(14:29):
That's all that's left. But long story short, I see
dead networks. They just don't know it. What we do.
It's your Morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Of Nothing but Brian ship sounds like an AI reporter.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Pretty soon they're going to have to start selling insurance
for your four oh one k for when some beat steals.
And boy, Michael's like the old news, those things your
AI experiments. Yesterday I tried something similar. I just put
in tell me about in my name. In just a
few seconds, I got almost three pages of the last
(15:10):
thirty years of my career, with only a few dates
being inaccurate.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
He must love a clean life. Apparently there was nothing
for AI to blackmails. That just faded him out, just
faded him out. Now it's controlling his phone and he
doesn't even know him. I like the Shook thing.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That may explain why Brian Shook has blackmailed me if
I don't do two of his stories today. Roger from
Sacramento wrote in good morning, Michael, from one small market
to another, congratulations on your team making the NBA finals.
So I don't live in Oklahoma anymore. I lived there
twenty years in TELLSA, But you know two things have lingered. One.
I took my wife from there. My children were all
(15:47):
born there. I'm still a Sooner fan, and I am
an Oklahoma City thunderfan and have been for the better
part of I don't know when's last time we were
there a decade ago. We got this close. We're on
our way to the NBA Finals with a big and
yes that is saying something for the smaller markets. Breton, Franklin, Tennessee.
And my morning show is your Morning Show with Michael
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To work live. But we're glad you're here now. Enjoyed
the podcast If you're just waking up. Elon mus says
he's leaving Doge. A federal court is blocking President Trump's
sweeping tariffs, and the Oklahoma City Thunder head of the
NBA Finals and for the third consecutive season, the Panthers
are headed to the Stanley Cup Finals. Good morning, and
welcome to Thursday. Made the twenty ninth year of our
(16:48):
Lord twenty twenty five. I often say, if we can
have one good journey of discovery together every morning, that's victory.
Let's get started on one. Right now, our senior contributor,
David Sanati is joining us. Good morning, David, Good morning, Michael.
So I would set it up this way. First of all,
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it's called your morning show, not Trump's morning show, not
anybody Else's your morning show. You the listener. So we're
here to serve you. That's number one. And while we
love the president, support the president, agree with a lot
of things he does, there are some things we question,
not the least of which is why is a Clinton
(17:28):
supported Sorrow's funded the scent Secretary of Treasury And why
do you get in a big fight with Elon Musk
and now it looks like Musk is missing and he's
still president. I mean, these are questions we should be
able to ask. Michael for asking them, And I'm with
you on this. This isn't about trying to support someone
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other than the president of.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
The United States. This is about what's happening to our country.
You know, you did recently did a great interview with
new Gingrich and newt Gamers, talked about American optimism and
looking forward to the future.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I know he's not here to defend himself.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
He'd be able to answer to this question, I think
I already know how we would answer the question. But
you know, for all the optimism and all of the
interesting connecting the dots of the progress of conservatism in America,
two things. One is, grown up as kids, you and
I had the image in cartoons, in films and everything
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else that the richer person became, the more conservative they became.
It was just kind of in the air, right. I mean,
you could start with Scrooge McDuck. It just no matter
what the Daddy Warbucks. If you know today that the
wealth of our country is not at all in the
hands of conservatism, it is in the hand of the
most radical liberal, matrix driven, technological and Wall Street people. Today,
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the wealthiest people in the world are the most radical
anti American, even in our own country.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now, we saw during this whole Trump triumph, to quote
the name of his book, people like Elon Musk, Google leaders,
Facebook leaders, all they're at the inauguration. But is that
really a trump Ism or a opportunistic moment or a
new occupant a victory for conservativism and Republicans. And I
(19:20):
think the answer is we don't know yet, but not likely, right,
and probably most likely A and B because all those
guys sitting on that stage and this takes us, well,
this will take us back to scott percent. By the way,
this is going around here, all right. The key is
that the people.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Sitting on that stage all need massive government help.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
That's why they're there. They need nuclear power plants to
be able to produce AI and we don't have them,
and the government's got to get them or they want
to go to Mars. All right, They've got all kinds
of plans that make them trillionaires going forward now. But
in the case of RFK Junior and Telsey, Gabberd and
(20:00):
Klan must be they were on board before, but the
rest or after.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
And by the way, i am also not wanting to
act like the older brother in the Prodigal Sun's story.
I'm happy for all these people to come closer to
the light.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, because I'm not the light. I'm just the
lucky guy should be you should say lucky. I'm just a
guy who, by the grace of God, sees a little
bit of it. I mean, you all come. It's one
of those things where it's one bigger telling another bigger
where to find a piece of bread.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
That's what we're talking about. But there's questions that don't
make sense. And here's what doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
If all of this conservatism is so effective, why are
we thirty five trillion dollars in debt? And why are
we in a.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Position in no matter who runs Congress, we can't stop
spending more money next year than we did this year.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I had sent a note to David just to share
with the class. You know, for all my love and
support for the president, I'm struggling to balance this, you know,
continued prioritized debt stabilization, let alone reduction that is absolutely
(21:11):
paramount and necessary with this big, beautiful deal to which
you were already looking into the bessent elon Musk fight
and how one's now missing and the other isn't and
what don't we know about that one? And who a
president surrounds himself with And suddenly we realized we're both
concerned with the same thing, and really everyone that loves
(21:31):
and supports the president like us listening, You shouldn't be
afraid to be concerned with the same thing. So what
can we learn and who am I am? I Besent
or Musk in terms of because that's the very revealing
thing that makes it more healed. Let's let's call it.
Let's call it inn A mcmahonnon. I mean, maybe maybe
(21:51):
he needs to take over treasury, but so I think
we'll bring it. First of all, I think you know
we talk about how or I do. You haven't, but
I think you would agree that somehow Reagan Revolution meets
Tea Party movement meets MAGA and trump Ism is what
this this movement is. Well, but where's the Tea Party
(22:15):
in that? Because the Tea Party was formed to address
debt and now it's silent. Listen, I don't have to
learn it. That's what he stood for. Tax enough already.
Why why? I mean, I can love Donald Trump and
still focus on reducing this debt and pronto.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So to be fair, and I think that this, say,
having this conversation about Pscent and Musk in the context
of Gingrich is really smart because you can see the
philosophies and where they're going. We're sure Musk comes into
this game and it falls into the silly, stupid trap
of picking up the chainsaw. That was a big mistake. Okay,
(22:51):
so from a pr perspective, Musk didn't do himself any favors.
But Elon Musk gets it. He understands that unless you
op spending more every year, you will never get out
of this mess. The growth will never catch up.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
The Republican answer to everything is growth. Oh, I love
that answer. That's a really good answer.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay, But the fact is, you can't grow your way
out of a situation.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
If the hole is still in the bucket, you can't
get there. And the get there is really simple, Michael.
We just have to say, look, we only take in
four trillion dollars. We spend six trillion.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now the answer is if you and I had to
do this, what makes more spend less?
Speaker 5 (23:34):
With David Amsey and all the other Christians out there
who talk about this go integery, they would say, Michael,
you have to live on four trillion. That's the end
that you are a poor person. You are a broke person.
You can't go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You can't do this but beans, baby rice and beads
rison beans. And if you don't, Michael, not only are
you going to go bankrupt, you maybe go to jail.
You don't if you're in business and you're doing it,
you're going to jail. If you're an individual doing it
going bankrupt. But if it's the government, we have no
answer for that. How can that be moral?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
And then we turn around when somebody like Doage comes
in and must comes in and says we're gonna bust
up USA AID and people.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Go, oh my god, you took money for poor people.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Well wait a second, how do you give money that
you don't have to a poor person?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, if the bank robbers decided to give all
their money to charity, would that mean they were innocent? Oh,
by the way, David, I just knuck into your bank
account and gave ten thousand dollars to the Nashville Rescue Mission?
Are ty? God? Yes, Godley, except thank you point paid
better than mine. You're exactly right.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
So the key is we're not even telling the government
that you've got to live on four trillion. We're telling
the government you're in trouble. You're spending six trillion. Okay,
you can't spend any more, and that becomes a world war.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why is the term zero based balanced budget? None of
this has even come up. It's not even a big
beautiful statement that's being made. All right, So can I
just want to do this on behalf of the listeners.
So elon Musk and Doge gets it. We have a
(25:17):
spending problem and they were busy cutting it. Maybe not
with the greatest eloquence or finesse, but they were cutting it.
Does Bissett not agree with that?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
I think all we can know is this Bescent comes
from the world of George Soros. He worked for him twice,
very profitably. He made joy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Many people know that by the way that our secretary
of Treasury that Donald Trump chose, and it's clearly giving
a strong ear to his ties to sorrows. How'd that
end up in a Trump administration? That's the unanswerable question. Now, look,
maybe Bisons had a change of mind and heart and
Trump knows it. So therefore, thank you very much. And
you don't even know me the answer. I'll I'll withhold judgment.
(25:57):
I just have a question.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
And what it comes back to is, look, Pscent made
sorrows a billion dollars in a day twice when they
shorted the British currency, and they shorted the end.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He's legendary on Wall Street and so.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
A lot of people who are pretty reckless on Wall
Street think very highly of Bescent. Okay, maybe that's a
human shield that Trump is using to have more influence
in Wall Street.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
But the fact is I don't know that Bescent if
he got fired today, wouldn't go back to work for
sorrows tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
And we can't simply say it doesn't matter on the
resume because George Soros runs the machine that runs the
money that runs the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
As recent as in the twenty fifteen era, becents giving
money to the Clintons. By definition, that's a strange Bedfellow
senior contributor Dividgenon Zinati joining us. Let's ust out this
fight with Elon Musk. What do we know? This is
shouting match for sure, right.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Well, and here's the thing that's fascinating is The Atlantic
not only covered it, they covered it in a major
story that started with three gigantic f bombs that they
attribute just got percent. But even more significant than that
is the fact that they acknowledged that there were fourteen
people who leaked to them to tell them the story.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Wait a minute, we haven't cut off the leaks to
the Atlantic yet we have achieved that after that, we
haven't cut off the leaks at all, and the leaks
are between Musk and Descent, and so which one has
the more concern for fiscal integrity and for reducing See,
you can't get there unless you listen to what Musk
was saying. Now, you don't have to have Musk around,
(27:38):
but if you're throwing them out with the f US,
then at that stage in the game you got to
ask yourself. Does the percent want us to stop over spending?
Does he want us to reach fiscal integrity? Or is
he just playing along for four years? I don't know.
We talked about how important now it's called big Beautiful Bill,
(28:02):
but basically it was just making permanent to remove the
uncertainty of the Trump tax cuts. It's grown much bigger
than that, and with it a five trillion dollar debt
tag over ten years. Yeah, I've heard three, I've heard five.
Now let's listen. What's running out for just a second? Listen.
That means that's probably eight. But sorry, so I'm getting
(28:24):
everybody mad at me instead of you, Hey David for
bringing up this inconvenient truth.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Okay, five trillion over ten years would mean that we're
still overspending two trillion a year, So in essence, If
that's the case, then what they've done is they've said
what I just said, we take in four, we spend six,
and that's two a year, and it's a yearly budget,
so five years would add ten. So in essence, they're
(28:51):
saying they're going to freeze the budget at its current
two trillion dollar deficit rate for the next five years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's fine, and that's redirected, reprioritize, but it hasn't affected
the trajectory of the amount of our budget that goes
to interest and the dangers of debt and how we're
all paying for it now in inflation and it'll destroy
our life very soon.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
And so what they're in essence saying is I'll watch
my language here. We'll just say what they're saying is
blank doge. In other words, what Elon was saying is
we can save a trillion in fraud, waste, mismanagement, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Forget it. We're just going to.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say we're two trillion over. We're going to stay two
trillion over. We're going to stay two trillion over for
the next five years. And of course here's the big
thing about that Congress can't spend money.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But one year at a time.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
In other words, not only does this budget only last
for one year, they can change it next year, but
every two years it's a new Congress. So whatever they
agreed to on what the budget was going to be
over the next ten years could be completely revised in
two years because Congress can't pass fiscal laws going forward
in perpetuity. They can only pass them for the duration
of the session that they're in. So did they really
(30:14):
change anything? Maybe maybe that's one piece of the puzzle.
But without the doze work, without the actual evaluation of
the size of this government, you can't get there. And
it looks like Scott Pissent is a part of the
team that just threw elon Musk overboard, overboard.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right. So in closing moments with David Sinaudi, your
senior contributor, and we'll talk more about this and we'll
follow more forward. We should understand that these are questions
that must be asked. And they don't mean you don't
support the president and doesn't mean you don't love the president.
But I don't have to tell you there's a lot
of people that's all they're going to hear.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Michael, this is a task that's going to take us
at least ten years to fix and so going to
we're going to give their step at a time. This
is going to go way, way, way past Donald Trump,
and it precedes Donald Trump by far more than ten years.
It goes forty years. The fiscal numbers haven't changed. As
long as the federal government is the bank, then they
(31:14):
can continue to outspend because all they got to do
is go print more money somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
We've got to get to zero. And you would think
at some point, if this is on the older end
Reagan Revolution, in the middle Tea Party movement and the
very young end MAGA and trump Ism, maybe that middle
part Tea Party movement and bringing the debt and the
threat of the debt and the importance of reducing the
(31:40):
debt to the front burner should be a part of
whatever this new Americanism is. Yeah, and it's you know,
I'll tell you something else, Michael, it's new Americanism. It's
got nothing to do with being a Democrat or Republican
or an independent as to the fact that it is
immoral to spend what you don't have, particularly if you're
the bank. This is you Your Morning show with Michael
(32:02):
del Chono. Welcome to a post Elon Musk Trump presidency.
Elon has left OJE. Mark Mayfield has the story.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
The Billionaire posted on x that as his time is
a special government employee comes to an end, he'd like
to thank President Trump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.
Musc has helped to lead the Department of Government Efficiency
since it was established in January. He concluded his posts
saying the DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as
it becomes a way of life throughout the government. As
a special Government employee, Muscle was allowed to work for
(32:33):
the administration for one hundred and thirty days in a
calendar year.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I'm Mark Neyfield that officials are worrying about facing difficult
trade offs if tariff negotiations should reaggravate inflation. Brian Shuck reports, according.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
To minutes released from their meeting earlier this month, officials
are concerned tariffs could create a difficult issue with interest
rate policy. However, officials ultimately decided the best couurtse was
to keep rate steady with the benchmark federal funds rate
in a target between four point two five percent to
four point five percent.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm Brian Shook Well. Leonard SKINNERD has released a new
music video for a song they made famous more than
five decades ago.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
The band's first official video for the nineteen seventy three
classic Freebird, premiered last week. The video starts with an
older man looking through a photo album, then cuts to
his younger self on a motorcycle the day he met
a woman who would become his wife. Back to the
present time, the man gets his motorcycle out of the
garage and takes a joy ride like he did in
his younger days as the video jumps back and forth
(33:48):
between present and past. Leonard Skinnered is on their fiftieth
anniversary tour and a live album is dubout next month.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm Mark Mayfield. We're all in this together. This is
your morning show with Michael and Heel Joiner
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