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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Michael Dell Chorny.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Six minutes after the hour, Welcome to a new week
and a new month. Monday, July the first you have
our Lord, twenty twenty four. If you thought it'd be
a shortened week and therefore a bunch of fluff, thank again.
President Biden spend Sunday at Camp David to discuss his future.
Was it a bad debate performance or a cognitive revelation.
It's the last day for the Supreme Court decisions this term,
so finally, apparently they save the biggest for last. We'll
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find out about the Trump Community case. And it's fourth
of July. Of course it's going to be hot but
scorching temperatures for the fourth this year, and many delays
at airports expected. Meanwhile, what really happened in the murder
of four University of Idaho students? Howard Bloom and his coverage,
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groundbreaking coverage of this story was nominated for a polit surprise.
He's now out with a book called When the Night
Comes Falling. He is a best selling author, and he's
with us this morning. Good morning, Howard, and welcome to
your morning show.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Thank you for speaking with me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, is you do this for a living. America
has a fascination I would think consistently first or second,
and probably five of the top ten podcasts are all
crime podcasts. This was one of the not one of
those obscure ones, this is one the entire nation followed.
So let me give you a focus group of one.
What I remember is local law enforcement making some mistakes.
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And what I remember is no ever being able to
definitively put their finger on the motives. You cover both
in this book, I'm sure, yes I do.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I point out how local law enforcement was really in
conflict with the FBI, and rather than working together with them,
there was antagonism that allowed the suspect to remain at
large for longer than was necessary.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, everybody, Oh, okay, go ahead, We're going to get
to motive motives.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes, I mean that's the big question why. It's it's
really difficult to put an answer on why anyone would
try to well, would go off to kill four people.
What I think happened and when I explained in the
book is how Brian Coberger and he's the suspect now,
but I believe he's a man who committed the murders
focused on just one of the young women, Matty Mogan.
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He went to kill her. He found her beauty, her abillions,
her vivaciousness, a rebuke to the world he was living
in and everyone else. Tragically, the three other people, young
people who were killed, they were just collateral damage.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay. So one of the things was that it didn't
look like there was that much forced entry where he
went first, where he went after? Did he know any
of these people? I remember at first people thinking boy Idaho,
and then this guy's from and they didn't realize how
close in proximity he was.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
When you were ten miles away.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Ten miles away. But I mean, what was his interaction
with her. That puts your finger on that that was
the motive.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
His interaction with her was minimal at best. He was
a man who was prone to obsessions. He went to
a restaurant in Moscow, Idaho that had vegan food. She
was a waitress there. It didn't take much to set
him off. He didn't even necessarily have to say a
word to her. He somehow fixated on her. And you
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can see the events of the night how he sneaks
into the house at four in the morning, how he
makes his way through the second floor, where there are
two other bedrooms, and just makes a beeline for the
third floor to her bedroom. Once she gets to her bedroom,
he finds not just Matty Mogan, but her best friend,
Kayleie Gonklavs is there too, and he now has to
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confront the situation he had never anticipated, and he winds
up killing both of them. If he makes his way
downstairs trying to leave, he encounters two of the students
who have heard the noise, and he now kills them too.
Interestingly enough, a third student comes out and sees him.
She's in a frozen state of shock. She can't say
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a word. He is locked in his own sort of
armory of hate his own Nania. If she had said
one word, if she had screamed, if she had tried
to move towards him, I believe she would have been
killed too. But it's her silence that saves her life.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So in the end, your suspicion is just happened because
he was such close proximity. First of all mentally ill
and evil and deranged, but probably met her her being
a waitress. Then what probably stalked her a lot on
social media, and that's where it built from there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There's no evidence that he stalked her on social media. However,
the house where these students were living, and that's part
of the story. It's a party house. University of Idaho
is a party college, and these kids were partying all
the time. The police have BODYCM videos of noise complaints
and they go over there and you can see these
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young kids interacting with the police, and the police have
looked in the shadows and they've looked for him, you know,
in the bushes and a car park nearby. They haven't
seen him, but I believe he was there looking in
and this sort of fun, these festivities were rebuked to
the life. He was living as a loner. I talk
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in the book about a pool party he goes to.
Once he's out there and he approaches two young women
and he gets their telephone numbers, and yet he never
calls them. And then the young women realize after his
arrest the hang up calls they were getting the most,
probably from him.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What do we not get about Colberger himself? Do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think we don't get how he tried to escape
who he was. I mean, he had been a heroin addict,
he beats it, He'd lost one hundred and twenty five pounds,
he'd gone to a junior college, and yet decides to
become a student, and he gets his way into a
great university, a graduate school. And even on the night
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of the murderers. I don't believe he drives by the
house three times. I don't believe he's stalking the house.
I believe he's trying to find the will to escape.
He drives up each time, and each time he's pulled
back as if by a magnet, until he finally realizes
he can't escape these demons that are raging inside him,
and he turns off his car and with his knife
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at hand, walks down this icy he'll to enter the
house with the kitchen door.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Best selling author Howard Bloom joining us his new book
When Night Comes falling this court case what begins in
the new year? Right, So this court.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Case is not beginning at the earliest to a year
from today. And that's one of the tragedies of this case.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Say why so long, Howard?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The defense is doing whatever they can to delay this case.
You know, there's an old lawyer's wisdom. When you have
the facts, you pound them. When you don't have the facts,
you pound the table. And they've been pounding the table
with a rattat of motions, trying to get delayed and
delay delay. The judge just last week, and I think
my book played some part in this finally scheduled league
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trial for a year from June. But there's going to
be another hearing in the end of August about changing
the venue where the trial takes place in Idaho, that
that takes place, the trial can be delayed even longer.
And that's a tragedy because this book is really just
all a story about victims. The family's the town itself,
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and they need closure.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What about Coberger's family that was always fascinating sidebars. In
this old story.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The book is structured around a road trip that Coburger takes.
The suspect with his father comes out to drive across
country with him during Christmas break, and in the course
of this road trip, as they go across with of America,
the father slowly but surely begins to realize, Oh, my gosh,
could it be that my son is actually involved in
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these murders. When they finally get to Pennsylvania, their family
has gathered for Christmas, and one of his sisters is
a family psychologist, is there and she sees her brother
meticulously cleaning his car. She sees him taking his garbage
and putting it into plastic bags and separated from the
family's garbage so that his DNA won't be discovered by
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the police.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
She ties it together.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yes, he confronts the father and what does the father do.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He can't face it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He just walks off in a silent shrug. And the
irony is I tell this story, it's almost like a
Greek drama. It's the father's DNA which ultimately brands the son.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Closing moments with Howard Bloom, So, Howard, we talked about
how the FBI and local law enforcement didn't work well
together in mistakes or made. What's the ultimate lesson there?
Moving forward from a legal standpoint.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The ultimate lesson is, you know, the FBI has to
work with the local authorities. They have a surveillance of
Coburger as he drives with his father across country, and
they have planes in the air, they have cars following him,
and at one point they lose him because Coburger's taken
around that they hadn't anticipated. And at the same time
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all this is happening, the local authorities don't know that
a there is a person of interest in this case,
and that's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
All mistakes made. Finally, doubt Now now we we we
head to court. Whenever we eventually get there, a lot
of hard evidence points to him. It's gonna whenever. They
can delay, but they can't get around. It's gonna be
a tough case to defend.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It certainly is, especially since his alibi was that at
four in the morning, he was off looking at the
stars in a wilderness park where there are no witnesses
and no cell phone triangulations.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
The bame of the book is called if you were
Fascinated with the University of Idaho student murders. You want
to read this book when night comes falling, Howard. Final
question is for those that followed the case closely, what
will the book probably bring to light for them that
they haven't heard anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, I think you know, the book will let them
enter into a detective drum and they'll follow step by
step how the authorities put the case together. And the
book is also called a Requiem for the Idaho student Murders,
and by that I mean it's a loving remembrance of
these young people who lost their lives to understand who
they are, and also the parents of the victims and
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the Coburger family. I think you'll be caught up a
suspenseful yarn.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm a father of two daughters in college. Trust me,
I followed this case and it's everyone's worst nightmare and
it came true for four families. Any chances will become
a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's been sold, it's going to be made into a
drama series. So yes, So that's very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Best selling author Howard Bloom, if people want to get
the book Amazon and everywhere books are sold, I would.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Presume it's a bestseller in Amazon just after the first week.
It's been out bestseller in Barnes and Noble and your
local independent bookstores too. It seems to be all over
the country, so that's also very lettering.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
When night comes falling, Howard Bloom, best selling author, thanks
for joining us, all.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
The best, appreciate it all right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Seventeen minutes after the hour, we come back. Not one,
not two, not three, not four, but top five stories
of the day are next.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
This is your morning show with Michael Deltono coming up.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Gaslighting two point zero. Now it's the Philadelphia Inquirer calling
Trump to step down. Never mind Biden. See now Trump's
a liar. It's he that should be stepping down. Can't
make this stuff up. Meanwhile, the Biden campaign is sending
out emails to supporters teaching them how to defend him.
So you got gas lighting, then gas lighting two point zero,
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and now how to gaslight? Gaslight is how we're kicking off.
Isn't there enough heat already? A little more on that
we go and minutes first, your top not one, not two,
not three, but top five stories of the day. Well,
there are some Democrats rallying behind Biden, doing their best
to shape the narrator in the midst of a political crisis.
(13:01):
Mark Mayfield's here with our Road to the White House.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Top democrats are coming to President Biden's defense following his
debate performance last week. In an interview with CNN's State
of the Union, Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi conceded that
Biden had a bad night, but urged voters to look
at his record.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
It was a bad night, it was a great presidency.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
She argued.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
It's not about performance in terms of a debate, but
performance in a presidency. And the Supreme Court is expected
to rule on former President Trump's immunity case today. After
the release of several decisions Friday, Chief Justice John Roberts
announced that Monday is going to be the last decision
day of the term.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
The case was centered.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Around federal charges accusing Trump of trying to overturn the
results of the twenty twenty election. The decision could impact
all of Trump's pending court cases.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
By Mark Mayfield, So now it's just a bad debate performance,
not an alarming cognitive impairment. Can you get away with that? Yeah,
if people weren't watching. Unfortunately, fifty million people watched, and
now we know four and five voters either watched, watched
clips of or read about it, so you can only
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really gaslight ten percent. And what is the people's opinion. Well,
when asked earlier in June, does Biden have the mental
and cognitive health the service president, only thirty five percent
said yes. Now only twenty seven percent say yes, it's
already fallen, eight percent and seventy two percent think about
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something that's seventy two percent of America sitting around can
agree on. Seventy two percent believe he doesn't have the
mental and cognitive health to service president. But that's not
stopping them from gaslighting more Democrat trouble. The defense in
the corruption trial of New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez is
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expected to begin presenting its case this week. Larry Kofsky
has our preview.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Among the first defense witnesses expected to appear, Menendez's sister,
The New York Post report she'll tell the court menendez
hoarding of cash is not evidence of a crime, and
that his Cuban family has a history of stashing cash
outside of banks. Prosecutors wrapped up seven weeks of testimony Friday,
outlining a scheme in which Menendez and his wife allegedly
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accepted cash, gold bars, and Mercedes and other gifts in
exchange for political favors. Larry Kofski NBC News Radio.
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But in the meantime, enjoy the podcast. What about Joe?
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Was it just to bad debate or was he cognitively
impaired for all to see? Is he capable of being
president today? Let alone running for president defeating Donald Trump
and serving for four years? Well, it's spent the weekend
at Camp David discussing his future re election campaign with
family members, and all indications are he plans to stay
the course more with roy O'Neil coming up in minutes.
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Today is the last day for the Supreme Court decisions
this term. That means they saved the biggest for last,
the Trump Community case. We should know something about tenth
Central and most of the country. It's fourth of July,
I mean fireworks heat, but scorching temperatures for the fourth
are planned and many travel delays, especially at airports. But
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obviously the big story is Joe Biden. Now here are
the You know, we always say we like a journey
of discovery and we love when we have a thing
to kind of collectively as a family sitting around the
kitchen table, what we need to prioritize and keep our
eyes on, because this is up to us in the
court a public opinion, and in a constitutional representative republic
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and a government of for by the people. You are
the jury, not a talk show host, not a television host,
not Joe Biden, not the DNC. You are And I
think the biggest question is if Joe decides to go,
will it be so? The probably one question before that,
can the Dems switch out Joe? No, only Joe can go.
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They can't do anything about it. If he refuses to leave.
He has secured the delegates. They belong to him short
of death. If he doesn't step down, he will be
at the top of the ticket. But even if Joe
decides to go, does that make it so? And our
Journey Discovery said no. Not for about seven states, three
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of which are already etched in Stone, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin.
Only death would take him off the ballot. The dates,
by law had already expired. So even if you move
forward with RFK or Whitmer or Newsom or Kamala, not
in Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin. That's three pretty important swing states.
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How bad are things for the Dems? The Biden campaign
sent out an email to its supporters teaching them how
to respond to their friends, co workers, and family who
are critical of the president's debate performance. Again, the narrative
bad debate, bad debate performance, not cognitively impaired, bad debate performance,
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and Donald Trump liar, out of control, liar. He the
Philadelphian choirer is calling to step down, not Joe Biden.
But here's what the campaign wrote to its followers. If
you're like me, you're getting lots of texts and phone
calls from folks about the state of the race after Thursday,
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meaning the president looking to be cognitively incapable of being president,
let alone a candidate. Maybe it was your panicked aunt.
Maybe it was your maga uncle or some self important podcaster.
Notice when they're pushing it's not self important. I mean,
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I know we live in a matrix. I know we
live in a death of journalism. But I'm telling you
the left is so intolerant. They've lied to you and
told you we're not a republic where a democracy were
mob rule. But they never respect democracy, do they. Seventy
two percent of Americans think this guy's cognitively too impaired
to be president. They don't care what you think. You
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must be a maga uncle or a self important podcast
a panicked and they go on. It's a tough position.
It's a tough position to be in. So I thought
I might be helpful and send you a few responses.
You know, comes after last week's first presidential debate that
they asked for, They set the rules and got between
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Biden and Trump. And what did it result in? According
to this, widespread criticism of the president's performance, no, un alarming, shocking,
Oh my God, this is nursing home memory care stuff. Quote.
This was a game changing debate in the sense that
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right now as we speak, there is a deep, wide
and very aggressive panic in the Democrat Party. It started
a minutes into the debate and it continues right now.
CNN's John King said shortly after the debate was over.
It involves party strategists, elected officials, fundraisers, and they're having
conversations about the president's performance, which they think was dismal,
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which they think will hurt other people down the party ticket.
This is the part that I said felt very orchestrated.
After all, they know, the insiders know the president's cognitive capabilities.
They've been gaslighting you. But they knew for eight days,
they've been preparing them for this debate. They had to
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know what was going to happen, and yet they they
asked for it to happen. They set the rules for
it to happen. Then, even with CNN's help, they made
sure everybody saw it. If it had just been a
CNN debate, low's viewership on cable television, very few would
have seen it. No, they put it on every network
and fifty million watched, and now eight out of ten
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have either watched it live or seen clips. Ninety percent
have watched it live, seen clips, or read stories about it.
So if you're gonna try to gas there's only ten
percent out there that can even be gaslighted. But what
felt orchestrated was they do the debate, the moderators play clean,
and then they go right back to CNN, who tells
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you we got to pull the plug on Biden. Felt
like an orchestrated hitchhob to me. The email encourages supporters
to force fully push back against those calling on the
president to drop out of the race. Well, of course,
this is his campaign telling you what to do. In fact,
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accuse those critics of being bed wedding brigades. That is
the best possible way for Donald Trump to win and
us to lose. The email argues, Joe Biden is going
to be the Democratic nominee period end of story. Voters
voted he won overwhelmingly. The email goes on to argue
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that Biden dropping out would lead to weeks of ko
which would include internal food fighting. See how they feel
about democracy even within their own party. Look, I know
where the divided States of America. I know we were
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never intended to be a two party system, and it's
part of what's destroying us. But it begs a question,
is anybody ever just an American? Because as an American,
you know, as I said, using the analogy, if we
were on the backseat of a car and Joe Biden
was driving, half of us wouldn't be making fun of him,
half of us wouldn't be trying to defend him. We'd
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all be fearing for our life. That's how cognitively impaired
this man is. If he ain't capable of driving us
in a car, hein capable of leading our country or
being commander in chief and driving our military. If we
were all true Americans, we would compassionately but wisely look
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at a twenty fifth Amendment and make Kamala Harris president today,
as scary as that may be for some of you,
But all they care about is power and hanging on
to power. They don't care about Joe, They don't care
about you, or your maga uncle or your panic dand
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what gives us the best chance, never mind the clear
in present danger. Well I'm glad they brought that up
because RFK talked to Chris Cuomo and said Yeah, I'd
consider it if they wanted to talk to me, and
that would probably be their best bet. Meathead Carl Ryer
came to the defense or Rob Reiner came to the
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defense of Joe Biden. I thought this kind of captures
the whole spirit. Last night's debay was a disaster for
President Biden. But the choice is still crystal clear for Meathead.
Sorry I pull Harry Cary there. For Meathead, the choice
is still crystal clear. We can choose a good, decent
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man who cares about his fellow citizens and knows how
to govern or a convicted felon who will destroy our democracy.
Not a tough choice, that's meat Head. Nancy Pelosi in
eighty four year old defends the eighty eighty one year
old This way.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
A presidency on one debate, Let's talk about what it
means to people in their lives. And that's why you're
not seeing much change in the.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Polls on this. Oh, but we are seeing changes in
the polls, unfortunately. The number of people who think the
president is mentally and cognitively to unhealthy to serve as
president crew from sixty five to seventy two percent. And
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for those that think he is mentally and cognitively okay
to be president. It's shrunk from thirty five to twenty
seven seven percent, and it's only been a couple of days.
If they do go to Kamala Harris, she's the only
one that's polling worse than Joe Biden, though that could
change now since the debate. But if you use the
real clear politics averages, he's been leading. Trump's been leading
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Biden by one and a half to two points. He
leads Kamala by six to seven points. So Kamala is
not a solution, or if cake could be a solution.
They're trying to gaslight it was just a bad debate performance,
not a cognitive alarming thing to see. Unfortunately for them,
four and five voters either watched it, have seen clips,
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or read about it. And finally, the Gaslight of the
Day award goes to the Philadelphia choir calling on President
Trump to be the one to step aside. Oh sure,
Biden had a horrible night, they write, he's eighty one,
he's not as sharp as he used to be, But
Biden on his worst day remains light years better than
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Trump on his best day. Very meatthead oriented there, but
it's Donald Trump who needs to step aside. He lied
thirty times during the course of debate, approximately once every
ninety seconds. For being a serial liar and a convicted felon,
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he should step aside. The gas lighting before the debate,
the gas lighting after the debate. Thank god, fireworks are
coming sooner or later this week. And then, as we concluded,
even if Joe decides to set aside and only Joe
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can and release his delegates, he's got legal problems with
ballot laws in Georgia, Nevada, in Wisconsin. So there's plenty
more to come on this drama.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
I'm Alan Nobother in Smyrna, Tennessee, and my morning show
is your Morning show.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Michael Deal journal. The president spent the weekend at Camp
David with family discussing the future. All indications are the
future is stay the course. Roy O'Neil, your Morning show correspondent,
joins us. That seems to be it anyway, right, or
at least what they're saying so far, that seems to
be how they're going to move forward.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Because take note, we really haven't seen a prominent democrat,
current prominent democrat call for Joe Biden to step aside. Yes,
lots of editorial pages, have lots of podcasters, lots of
people on social.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Media who have a newsletter.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
They're all calling for it because they want the clicks
and the likes and the whatever and the downloads. But
for the most part, the institutional Democrats are saying, let's
you know, I'm riding with Biden.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And thirty three million dollars raised over the weekend. That's
not going to probably make a big difference to the equation,
but it's send a message to the president, along with
his family, and along with no prominent Democrats calling him
to step down, that's enough indication to keep going forward.
So you can move forward with this narrative it was
just a bad performance and do better in the second.
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I guess that's one option, right it is.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
I think there'd also people who'd like to see Joe
Biden do a follow up sit down interview with someone
to say, oh, I was having a bad night, sorry
about that. There is a new ad out today that
says that, yes, exactly, that I had a bad night.
I'm not as young as I used to be. But
in the ad, it's the speech from the weekend where
Biden says, you know, I can tell the difference between
right and wrong. I'll tell you the truth. That kind
(30:39):
of a thing. But again, it's all from his rally
that took place over the weekend, but essentially acknowledging the
bad performance from Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Why shouldn't Biden be running for president? Eighty six percent age,
seventy one percent decisions he might make an office sixty
six percent, his record as president fifty nine percent, ability
to campaign effectively and win overall, Should the president be
running for president? It went from thirty seven to twenty
(31:11):
eight percent, and from sixty three to seventy two percent
saying no, is he cognitively and mentally aware enough and
you know, to be president and serve? Thirty five percent
said he does. Yes, Now it's down to twenty seven.
It used to be sixty five. Now it's up to
seventy two percent say that he doesn't. I mean, the
poll suggests the American people have a say, not just
(31:32):
podcasters in the media. In other words, they got something
else very difficult to try to sell in this campaign.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
But then, how does how do those numbers then square
with all the donations that we just saw, especially from
a lot of first time givers.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
We also saw where a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Especially who watched the whole ninety minute debate, thought that,
you know, Donald Trump didn't do himself a whole lot
of favors that night either, and that and Biden did
better in the polling as the debate went on. So yeah,
again a lot of mixed messages because at the end
of the day, only about fifty two million people tuned
in last Thursday to watch and that's just some of it.
(32:10):
So I think the debate is still filtering through the
American people.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
There was a piece of research that shows four and
five now they'd either watched it live, and a majority
watched it live believe it or not. Then the rest
watch clips and others have read stories. Now at least
when you get to reading stories, they could be getting
either tail. But there's only about twenty percent that you
can really try to manipulate beyond what they saw. That
makes it tough. But you know where you sometimes wonder, well,
(32:37):
would they go to rfkrfks on Chris Cuomo, he would
talk to them. Would it be Whitmer, would it be
Gavin Newsom, would it be the Vice president? Kamala Harrish,
she doesn't pull as well as Biden does, not an
obvious place to go. Plus this really muddies the water.
This could be a great story for you to follow
up with tomorrow. But what the law says about check
(33:00):
short of death. I can tell you three states Georgia
and Nevada and Wisconsin the law would keep them on
the ticket. So if you go to somebody else, that's
three swing states, you can't. You know, you have a
difficult time winning. So there's a lot of problem. There's
a lot of moving parts here. I think everybody reacted quickly,
but now that they're looking at it, they're kind of like,
maybe we've gone too far. This is our guy and
(33:20):
we're stuck with it now. So they're trying to make
the best of the narrative.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Six minutes after the hour, Welcome to a new week
and a new month. Monday, July the first you have
our Lord, twenty twenty four. If you thought it'd be
a shortened week and therefore a bunch of fluff, thank again.
President Biden spend Sunday at Camp David to discuss his future.
Was it a bad debate performance or a cognitive revelation.
It's the last day for the Supreme Court decisions this term,
so finally, apparently they save the biggest for last. We'll
(00:58):
find out about the Trump Community case. And it's fourth
of July. Of course it's going to be hot but
scorching temperatures for the fourth this year, and many delays
at airports expected. Meanwhile, what really happened in the murder
of four University of Idaho students? Howard Bloom and his coverage,
(01:18):
groundbreaking coverage of this story was nominated for a polit surprise.
He's now out with a book called When the Night
Comes Falling. He is a best selling author, and he's
with us this morning. Good morning, Howard, and welcome to
your morning show.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Thank you for speaking with me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, is you do this for a living. America
has a fascination I would think consistently first or second,
and probably five of the top ten podcasts are all
crime podcasts. This was one of the not one of
those obscure ones, this is one the entire nation followed.
So let me give you a focus group of one.
What I remember is local law enforcement making some mistakes.
(01:58):
And what I remember is no ever being able to
definitively put their finger on the motives. You cover both
in this book, I'm sure, yes I do.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I point out how local law enforcement was really in
conflict with the FBI, and rather than working together with them,
there was antagonism that allowed the suspect to remain at
large for longer than was necessary.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, everybody, Oh, okay, go ahead, We're going to get
to motive motives.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes, I mean that's the big question why. It's it's
really difficult to put an answer on why anyone would
try to well, would go off to kill four people.
What I think happened and when I explained in the
book is how Brian Coberger and he's the suspect now,
but I believe he's a man who committed the murders
focused on just one of the young women, Matty Mogan.
(02:49):
He went to kill her. He found her beauty, her abillions,
her vivaciousness, a rebuke to the world he was living
in and everyone else. Tragically, the three other people, young
people who were killed, they were just collateral damage.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Okay. So one of the things was that it didn't
look like there was that much forced entry where he
went first, where he went after? Did he know any
of these people? I remember at first people thinking boy Idaho,
and then this guy's from and they didn't realize how
close in proximity he was.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
When you were ten miles away.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Ten miles away. But I mean, what was his interaction
with her. That puts your finger on that that was
the motive.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
His interaction with her was minimal at best. He was
a man who was prone to obsessions. He went to
a restaurant in Moscow, Idaho that had vegan food. She
was a waitress there. It didn't take much to set
him off. He didn't even necessarily have to say a
word to her. He somehow fixated on her. And you
(03:56):
can see the events of the night how he sneaks
into the house at four in the morning, how he
makes his way through the second floor, where there are
two other bedrooms, and just makes a beeline for the
third floor to her bedroom. Once she gets to her bedroom,
he finds not just Matty Mogan, but her best friend,
Kayleie Gonklavs is there too, and he now has to
(04:19):
confront the situation he had never anticipated, and he winds
up killing both of them. If he makes his way
downstairs trying to leave, he encounters two of the students
who have heard the noise, and he now kills them too.
Interestingly enough, a third student comes out and sees him.
She's in a frozen state of shock. She can't say
(04:42):
a word. He is locked in his own sort of
armory of hate his own Nania. If she had said
one word, if she had screamed, if she had tried
to move towards him, I believe she would have been
killed too. But it's her silence that saves her life.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So in the end, your suspicion is just happened because
he was such close proximity. First of all mentally ill
and evil and deranged, but probably met her her being
a waitress. Then what probably stalked her a lot on
social media, and that's where it built from there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
There's no evidence that he stalked her on social media. However,
the house where these students were living, and that's part
of the story. It's a party house. University of Idaho
is a party college, and these kids were partying all
the time. The police have BODYCM videos of noise complaints
and they go over there and you can see these
(05:35):
young kids interacting with the police, and the police have
looked in the shadows and they've looked for him, you know,
in the bushes and a car park nearby. They haven't
seen him, but I believe he was there looking in
and this sort of fun, these festivities were rebuked to
the life. He was living as a loner. I talk
(05:57):
in the book about a pool party he goes to.
Once he's out there and he approaches two young women
and he gets their telephone numbers, and yet he never
calls them. And then the young women realize after his
arrest the hang up calls they were getting the most,
probably from him.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What do we not get about Colberger himself? Do you think.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think we don't get how he tried to escape
who he was. I mean, he had been a heroin addict,
he beats it, He'd lost one hundred and twenty five pounds,
he'd gone to a junior college, and yet decides to
become a student, and he gets his way into a
great university, a graduate school. And even on the night
(06:37):
of the murderers. I don't believe he drives by the
house three times. I don't believe he's stalking the house.
I believe he's trying to find the will to escape.
He drives up each time, and each time he's pulled
back as if by a magnet, until he finally realizes
he can't escape these demons that are raging inside him,
and he turns off his car and with his knife
(06:58):
at hand, walks down this icy he'll to enter the
house with the kitchen door.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Best selling author Howard Bloom joining us his new book
When Night Comes falling this court case what begins in
the new year? Right, So this court.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Case is not beginning at the earliest to a year
from today. And that's one of the tragedies of this case.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Say why so long, Howard?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
The defense is doing whatever they can to delay this case.
You know, there's an old lawyer's wisdom. When you have
the facts, you pound them. When you don't have the facts,
you pound the table. And they've been pounding the table
with a rattat of motions, trying to get delayed and
delay delay. The judge just last week, and I think
my book played some part in this finally scheduled league
(07:45):
trial for a year from June. But there's going to
be another hearing in the end of August about changing
the venue where the trial takes place in Idaho, that
that takes place, the trial can be delayed even longer.
And that's a tragedy because this book is really just
all a story about victims. The family's the town itself,
(08:08):
and they need closure.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What about Coberger's family that was always fascinating sidebars. In
this old story.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
The book is structured around a road trip that Coburger takes.
The suspect with his father comes out to drive across
country with him during Christmas break, and in the course
of this road trip, as they go across with of America,
the father slowly but surely begins to realize, Oh, my gosh,
could it be that my son is actually involved in
(08:43):
these murders. When they finally get to Pennsylvania, their family
has gathered for Christmas, and one of his sisters is
a family psychologist, is there and she sees her brother
meticulously cleaning his car. She sees him taking his garbage
and putting it into plastic bags and separated from the
family's garbage so that his DNA won't be discovered by
(09:05):
the police.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
She ties it together.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yes, he confronts the father and what does the father do.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He can't face it.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He just walks off in a silent shrug. And the
irony is I tell this story, it's almost like a
Greek drama. It's the father's DNA which ultimately brands the son.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Closing moments with Howard Bloom, So, Howard, we talked about
how the FBI and local law enforcement didn't work well
together in mistakes or made. What's the ultimate lesson there?
Moving forward from a legal standpoint.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The ultimate lesson is, you know, the FBI has to
work with the local authorities. They have a surveillance of
Coburger as he drives with his father across country, and
they have planes in the air, they have cars following him,
and at one point they lose him because Coburger's taken
around that they hadn't anticipated. And at the same time
(09:58):
all this is happening, the local authorities don't know that
a there is a person of interest in this case,
and that's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
All mistakes made. Finally, doubt Now now we we we
head to court. Whenever we eventually get there, a lot
of hard evidence points to him. It's gonna whenever. They
can delay, but they can't get around. It's gonna be
a tough case to defend.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It certainly is, especially since his alibi was that at
four in the morning, he was off looking at the
stars in a wilderness park where there are no witnesses
and no cell phone triangulations.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
The bame of the book is called if you were
Fascinated with the University of Idaho student murders. You want
to read this book when night comes falling, Howard. Final
question is for those that followed the case closely, what
will the book probably bring to light for them that
they haven't heard anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, I think you know, the book will let them
enter into a detective drum and they'll follow step by
step how the authorities put the case together. And the
book is also called a Requiem for the Idaho student Murders,
and by that I mean it's a loving remembrance of
these young people who lost their lives to understand who
they are, and also the parents of the victims and
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the Coburger family. I think you'll be caught up a
suspenseful yarn.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm a father of two daughters in college. Trust me,
I followed this case and it's everyone's worst nightmare and
it came true for four families. Any chances will become
a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's been sold, it's going to be made into a
drama series. So yes, So that's very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Best selling author Howard Bloom, if people want to get
the book Amazon and everywhere books are sold, I would.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Presume it's a bestseller in Amazon just after the first week.
It's been out bestseller in Barnes and Noble and your
local independent bookstores too. It seems to be all over
the country, so that's also very lettering.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
When night comes falling, Howard Bloom, best selling author, thanks
for joining us, all.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
The best, appreciate it all right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Seventeen minutes after the hour, we come back. Not one,
not two, not three, not four, but top five stories
of the day are next.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
This is your morning show with Michael Deltono coming up.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Gaslighting two point zero. Now it's the Philadelphia Inquirer calling
Trump to step down. Never mind Biden. See now Trump's
a liar. It's he that should be stepping down. Can't
make this stuff up. Meanwhile, the Biden campaign is sending
out emails to supporters teaching them how to defend him.
So you got gas lighting, then gas lighting two point zero,
(12:40):
and now how to gaslight? Gaslight is how we're kicking off.
Isn't there enough heat already? A little more on that
we go and minutes first, your top not one, not two,
not three, but top five stories of the day. Well,
there are some Democrats rallying behind Biden, doing their best
to shape the narrator in the midst of a political crisis.
(13:01):
Mark Mayfield's here with our Road to the White House.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Top democrats are coming to President Biden's defense following his
debate performance last week. In an interview with CNN's State
of the Union, Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi conceded that
Biden had a bad night, but urged voters to look
at his record.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
It was a bad night, it was a great presidency.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
She argued.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
It's not about performance in terms of a debate, but
performance in a presidency. And the Supreme Court is expected
to rule on former President Trump's immunity case today. After
the release of several decisions Friday, Chief Justice John Roberts
announced that Monday is going to be the last decision
day of the term.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
The case was centered.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Around federal charges accusing Trump of trying to overturn the
results of the twenty twenty election. The decision could impact
all of Trump's pending court cases.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
By Mark Mayfield, So now it's just a bad debate performance,
not an alarming cognitive impairment. Can you get away with that? Yeah,
if people weren't watching. Unfortunately, fifty million people watched, and
now we know four and five voters either watched, watched
clips of or read about it, so you can only
(14:07):
really gaslight ten percent. And what is the people's opinion. Well,
when asked earlier in June, does Biden have the mental
and cognitive health the service president, only thirty five percent
said yes. Now only twenty seven percent say yes, it's
already fallen, eight percent and seventy two percent think about
(14:30):
something that's seventy two percent of America sitting around can
agree on. Seventy two percent believe he doesn't have the
mental and cognitive health to service president. But that's not
stopping them from gaslighting more Democrat trouble. The defense in
the corruption trial of New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez is
(14:50):
expected to begin presenting its case this week. Larry Kofsky
has our preview.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Among the first defense witnesses expected to appear, Menendez's sister,
The New York Post report she'll tell the court menendez
hoarding of cash is not evidence of a crime, and
that his Cuban family has a history of stashing cash
outside of banks. Prosecutors wrapped up seven weeks of testimony Friday,
outlining a scheme in which Menendez and his wife allegedly
(15:16):
accepted cash, gold bars, and Mercedes and other gifts in
exchange for political favors. Larry Kofski NBC News Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Disney's Inside Out Too. It's the newest member of the
Billion Dollar Film Club. Lisa Cardon has details. Is Joy
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Speaker 9 (15:40):
The Pixar animated sequel topped a billion dollars in earnings
worldwide as of Sunday, making it the highest grossing film
of twenty twenty four. It's also the first movie since
Warner Brothers Barbie to top one billion dollars at.
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If it's your birthday, Happy birthday. We are so glad
you were born. Hi, I'm Michael. I'd love to have
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But in the meantime, enjoy the podcast. What about Joe?
(16:59):
Was it just to bad debate or was he cognitively
impaired for all to see? Is he capable of being
president today? Let alone running for president defeating Donald Trump
and serving for four years? Well, it's spent the weekend
at Camp David discussing his future re election campaign with
family members, and all indications are he plans to stay
the course more with roy O'Neil coming up in minutes.
(17:22):
Today is the last day for the Supreme Court decisions
this term. That means they saved the biggest for last,
the Trump Community case. We should know something about tenth
Central and most of the country. It's fourth of July,
I mean fireworks heat, but scorching temperatures for the fourth
are planned and many travel delays, especially at airports. But
(17:42):
obviously the big story is Joe Biden. Now here are
the You know, we always say we like a journey
of discovery and we love when we have a thing
to kind of collectively as a family sitting around the
kitchen table, what we need to prioritize and keep our
eyes on, because this is up to us in the
court a public opinion, and in a constitutional representative republic
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and a government of for by the people. You are
the jury, not a talk show host, not a television host,
not Joe Biden, not the DNC. You are And I
think the biggest question is if Joe decides to go,
will it be so? The probably one question before that,
can the Dems switch out Joe? No, only Joe can go.
(18:28):
They can't do anything about it. If he refuses to leave.
He has secured the delegates. They belong to him short
of death. If he doesn't step down, he will be
at the top of the ticket. But even if Joe
decides to go, does that make it so? And our
Journey Discovery said no. Not for about seven states, three
(18:49):
of which are already etched in Stone, Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin.
Only death would take him off the ballot. The dates,
by law had already expired. So even if you move
forward with RFK or Whitmer or Newsom or Kamala, not
in Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin. That's three pretty important swing states.
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How bad are things for the Dems? The Biden campaign
sent out an email to its supporters teaching them how
to respond to their friends, co workers, and family who
are critical of the president's debate performance. Again, the narrative
bad debate, bad debate performance, not cognitively impaired, bad debate performance,
(19:43):
and Donald Trump liar, out of control, liar. He the
Philadelphian choirer is calling to step down, not Joe Biden.
But here's what the campaign wrote to its followers. If
you're like me, you're getting lots of texts and phone
calls from folks about the state of the race after Thursday,
(20:05):
meaning the president looking to be cognitively incapable of being president,
let alone a candidate. Maybe it was your panicked aunt.
Maybe it was your maga uncle or some self important podcaster.
Notice when they're pushing it's not self important. I mean,
(20:35):
I know we live in a matrix. I know we
live in a death of journalism. But I'm telling you
the left is so intolerant. They've lied to you and
told you we're not a republic where a democracy were
mob rule. But they never respect democracy, do they. Seventy
two percent of Americans think this guy's cognitively too impaired
to be president. They don't care what you think. You
(20:56):
must be a maga uncle or a self important podcast
a panicked and they go on. It's a tough position.
It's a tough position to be in. So I thought
I might be helpful and send you a few responses.
You know, comes after last week's first presidential debate that
they asked for, They set the rules and got between
(21:19):
Biden and Trump. And what did it result in? According
to this, widespread criticism of the president's performance, no, un alarming, shocking,
Oh my God, this is nursing home memory care stuff. Quote.
This was a game changing debate in the sense that
(21:40):
right now as we speak, there is a deep, wide
and very aggressive panic in the Democrat Party. It started
a minutes into the debate and it continues right now.
CNN's John King said shortly after the debate was over.
It involves party strategists, elected officials, fundraisers, and they're having
conversations about the president's performance, which they think was dismal,
(22:05):
which they think will hurt other people down the party ticket.
This is the part that I said felt very orchestrated.
After all, they know, the insiders know the president's cognitive capabilities.
They've been gaslighting you. But they knew for eight days,
they've been preparing them for this debate. They had to
(22:27):
know what was going to happen, and yet they they
asked for it to happen. They set the rules for
it to happen. Then, even with CNN's help, they made
sure everybody saw it. If it had just been a
CNN debate, low's viewership on cable television, very few would
have seen it. No, they put it on every network
and fifty million watched, and now eight out of ten
(22:49):
have either watched it live or seen clips. Ninety percent
have watched it live, seen clips, or read stories about it.
So if you're gonna try to gas there's only ten
percent out there that can even be gaslighted. But what
felt orchestrated was they do the debate, the moderators play clean,
and then they go right back to CNN, who tells
(23:11):
you we got to pull the plug on Biden. Felt
like an orchestrated hitchhob to me. The email encourages supporters
to force fully push back against those calling on the
president to drop out of the race. Well, of course,
this is his campaign telling you what to do. In fact,
(23:32):
accuse those critics of being bed wedding brigades. That is
the best possible way for Donald Trump to win and
us to lose. The email argues, Joe Biden is going
to be the Democratic nominee period end of story. Voters
voted he won overwhelmingly. The email goes on to argue
(23:56):
that Biden dropping out would lead to weeks of ko
which would include internal food fighting. See how they feel
about democracy even within their own party. Look, I know
where the divided States of America. I know we were
(24:18):
never intended to be a two party system, and it's
part of what's destroying us. But it begs a question,
is anybody ever just an American? Because as an American,
you know, as I said, using the analogy, if we
were on the backseat of a car and Joe Biden
was driving, half of us wouldn't be making fun of him,
half of us wouldn't be trying to defend him. We'd
(24:39):
all be fearing for our life. That's how cognitively impaired
this man is. If he ain't capable of driving us
in a car, hein capable of leading our country or
being commander in chief and driving our military. If we
were all true Americans, we would compassionately but wisely look
(25:00):
at a twenty fifth Amendment and make Kamala Harris president today,
as scary as that may be for some of you,
But all they care about is power and hanging on
to power. They don't care about Joe, They don't care
about you, or your maga uncle or your panic dand
(25:26):
what gives us the best chance, never mind the clear
in present danger. Well I'm glad they brought that up
because RFK talked to Chris Cuomo and said Yeah, I'd
consider it if they wanted to talk to me, and
that would probably be their best bet. Meathead Carl Ryer
came to the defense or Rob Reiner came to the
(25:47):
defense of Joe Biden. I thought this kind of captures
the whole spirit. Last night's debay was a disaster for
President Biden. But the choice is still crystal clear for Meathead.
Sorry I pull Harry Cary there. For Meathead, the choice
is still crystal clear. We can choose a good, decent
(26:07):
man who cares about his fellow citizens and knows how
to govern or a convicted felon who will destroy our democracy.
Not a tough choice, that's meat Head. Nancy Pelosi in
eighty four year old defends the eighty eighty one year
old This way.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
A presidency on one debate, Let's talk about what it
means to people in their lives. And that's why you're
not seeing much change in the.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Polls on this. Oh, but we are seeing changes in
the polls, unfortunately. The number of people who think the
president is mentally and cognitively to unhealthy to serve as
president crew from sixty five to seventy two percent. And
(26:55):
for those that think he is mentally and cognitively okay
to be president. It's shrunk from thirty five to twenty
seven seven percent, and it's only been a couple of days.
If they do go to Kamala Harris, she's the only
one that's polling worse than Joe Biden, though that could
change now since the debate. But if you use the
real clear politics averages, he's been leading. Trump's been leading
(27:18):
Biden by one and a half to two points. He
leads Kamala by six to seven points. So Kamala is
not a solution, or if cake could be a solution.
They're trying to gaslight it was just a bad debate performance,
not a cognitive alarming thing to see. Unfortunately for them,
four and five voters either watched it, have seen clips,
(27:40):
or read about it. And finally, the Gaslight of the
Day award goes to the Philadelphia choir calling on President
Trump to be the one to step aside. Oh sure,
Biden had a horrible night, they write, he's eighty one,
he's not as sharp as he used to be, But
Biden on his worst day remains light years better than
(28:03):
Trump on his best day. Very meatthead oriented there, but
it's Donald Trump who needs to step aside. He lied
thirty times during the course of debate, approximately once every
ninety seconds. For being a serial liar and a convicted felon,
(28:26):
he should step aside. The gas lighting before the debate,
the gas lighting after the debate. Thank god, fireworks are
coming sooner or later this week. And then, as we concluded,
even if Joe decides to set aside and only Joe
(28:49):
can and release his delegates, he's got legal problems with
ballot laws in Georgia, Nevada, in Wisconsin. So there's plenty
more to come on this drama.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
I'm Alan Nobother in Smyrna, Tennessee, and my morning show
is your Morning show.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Michael Deal journal. The president spent the weekend at Camp
David with family discussing the future. All indications are the
future is stay the course. Roy O'Neil, your Morning show correspondent,
joins us. That seems to be it anyway, right, or
at least what they're saying so far, that seems to
be how they're going to move forward.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Because take note, we really haven't seen a prominent democrat,
current prominent democrat call for Joe Biden to step aside. Yes,
lots of editorial pages, have lots of podcasters, lots of
people on social.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Media who have a newsletter.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
They're all calling for it because they want the clicks
and the likes and the whatever and the downloads. But
for the most part, the institutional Democrats are saying, let's
you know, I'm riding with Biden.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And thirty three million dollars raised over the weekend. That's
not going to probably make a big difference to the equation,
but it's send a message to the president, along with
his family, and along with no prominent Democrats calling him
to step down, that's enough indication to keep going forward.
So you can move forward with this narrative it was
just a bad performance and do better in the second.
(30:13):
I guess that's one option, right it is.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
I think there'd also people who'd like to see Joe
Biden do a follow up sit down interview with someone
to say, oh, I was having a bad night, sorry
about that. There is a new ad out today that
says that, yes, exactly, that I had a bad night.
I'm not as young as I used to be. But
in the ad, it's the speech from the weekend where
Biden says, you know, I can tell the difference between
right and wrong. I'll tell you the truth. That kind
(30:39):
of a thing. But again, it's all from his rally
that took place over the weekend, but essentially acknowledging the
bad performance from Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Why shouldn't Biden be running for president? Eighty six percent age,
seventy one percent decisions he might make an office sixty
six percent, his record as president fifty nine percent, ability
to campaign effectively and win overall, Should the president be
running for president? It went from thirty seven to twenty
(31:11):
eight percent, and from sixty three to seventy two percent
saying no, is he cognitively and mentally aware enough and
you know, to be president and serve? Thirty five percent
said he does. Yes, Now it's down to twenty seven.
It used to be sixty five. Now it's up to
seventy two percent say that he doesn't. I mean, the
poll suggests the American people have a say, not just
(31:32):
podcasters in the media. In other words, they got something
else very difficult to try to sell in this campaign.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
But then, how does how do those numbers then square
with all the donations that we just saw, especially from
a lot of first time givers.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
We also saw where a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Especially who watched the whole ninety minute debate, thought that,
you know, Donald Trump didn't do himself a whole lot
of favors that night either, and that and Biden did
better in the polling as the debate went on. So yeah,
again a lot of mixed messages because at the end
of the day, only about fifty two million people tuned
in last Thursday to watch and that's just some of it.
(32:10):
So I think the debate is still filtering through the
American people.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
There was a piece of research that shows four and
five now they'd either watched it live, and a majority
watched it live believe it or not. Then the rest
watch clips and others have read stories. Now at least
when you get to reading stories, they could be getting
either tail. But there's only about twenty percent that you
can really try to manipulate beyond what they saw. That
makes it tough. But you know where you sometimes wonder, well,
(32:37):
would they go to rfkrfks on Chris Cuomo, he would
talk to them. Would it be Whitmer, would it be
Gavin Newsom, would it be the Vice president? Kamala Harrish,
she doesn't pull as well as Biden does, not an
obvious place to go. Plus this really muddies the water.
This could be a great story for you to follow
up with tomorrow. But what the law says about check
(33:00):
short of death. I can tell you three states Georgia
and Nevada and Wisconsin the law would keep them on
the ticket. So if you go to somebody else, that's
three swing states, you can't. You know, you have a
difficult time winning. So there's a lot of problem. There's
a lot of moving parts here. I think everybody reacted quickly,
but now that they're looking at it, they're kind of like,
maybe we've gone too far. This is our guy and
(33:20):
we're stuck with it now. So they're trying to make
the best of the narrative.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael ndheld Choano
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