August 6, 2024 • 34 mins
How concerned with the expanded war in the Middle East should we be?
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Good morning, six minutes after the hour, Welcome to Tuesday,
August to sixth. We are not short of things to
talk about, that's for sure. Are we heading into a
recession or is it just two big sell offs and
maybe even a little bit of recovery today if we
follow the Japanese market, time will tell. Vice President Harris
seems to be down to two names, Josh Shapiro in
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Pennsylvania and from walls of Minnesota, two governors. The announcement,
come out, come out, wherever you are, will be made
in mere hours from now, and tropical storm DEBI continues
to stall out in North Florida and in the Carolinas,
dumping inches of rain and causing a lot of flooding.
And the US added eight more medals to the Paris
Olympic Games. We now lead the world with seventy nine
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total medals, including twenty one gold, which ties US with
China heading into a very heavy track and field week. Also,
we've got the men's and women's basketball who are on
the move heading into gold medal matches, and the soccer
team doing well too. The lady soccer team will make
an effort at getting to the gold medal round as well.
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And then we have the Middle East, probably the most
troubling story. Several US personnel have been injured in a
rocket attack against the US military base in western Iraq.
Is this at all related to what we believe any
moment will be an Iran attack on Israel? Three big questions.
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Will Iran be retaliating for a Hamas political leader killed
on their soil. Will it be a proportional response similar
to the one that they recently had, which was a
bunch of drones that were easily blocked, or are they
going for total conflict? And escalation, And do they go
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it alone or do they go it with a coalition
of Arab forces in the epicenter of the world, the
Middle East, and in the epicenter of the epicenter Israel.
You don't like to see Muslim sects or nations uniting
against Israel. So are they going it alone? Is it
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just a symbolic response or is it an escalation of
a proxy war turned direct war between Iran and Israel?
And as we always bring up, don't forget Iran and
Israel are proxy wars for Russia, China, and America. The
potential for this to escalate not because of what it
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would mean to a presidential election, but what it could
mean for our time and for all time. These are
the things to really keep our eye on. Now, what's
the priority, First and foremost the protection of Israel. Second,
foremost avoid a world war. This would be a heck
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of a way to find out what Iran really has.
Now they've had enriched centrifuges, and they've had materials that
have been provided primarily by Russia but also by China.
Do they have the delivery systems? Is this a nuclear
Iran and a nuclear Israel? Getting ready to face off
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and probably the biggest unknown factor all wars are about
means motive and opportunity, means do they have a delivery
system for their enriched uranium and centrifugias opportunity Is this
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the moment they believe is the moment to bring about
the hidden emom I mean they have their prophecies they follow,
so not a retaliation for the taking out of a
Hamas leader, but a planned war. These will all be
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playing out now. There are people that have been studying
these nations and studying wars for a lifetime, even teaching
them at West Point, and one of them is Lieutenant
Colonel James Carafano. All right, so we have an attack
on an Iraqi air base. We don't know that's involved
at all with whatever Iran plans. We know that Blincoln
met with Iran, didn't seem to talk them off the
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ledge and then warn the G seven that an attack
on Israel is coming. That clock is ticking or about
ticked out. So it should be any moment. And the
question is is it's a retaliating response? Measured are all
about war? Is a proxy war about to be a
direct war?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So there's kind of three things we have to watch simultaneously.
I have zero faith in the American diploma. And I
don't say that, you know, this isn't a partisan comment.
I just think there's Diplomatically, they don't have many cards
to play, and it's very clear that their diplomacy with
Iran has just been a colossal failure. But we haven't
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had a massive deployment of US forces to the Gulf,
and that's certainly something that the Iranians do understand and
that they are looking at. So when people say, oh
my god, you know they just ignore the US the
running you do they they want I think they've got
one eye on all that stuff, American stuff in the Gulf,
and they and that is that's important. The second one
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is the Iranians have clearly sent messages that they are
not interested, that that they don't really want to do
and all at war with these guys, and that's why
the Israelis did a very proportional and very strategic and
surgical response. And the third thing is and this is
the this is the thing that you have to realize
is if you're a run or has blah, how does
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this end? Now? Yeah, blow can do a lot of
damage to Israel. But Lebanon is a very very fragile
state that is literally coming apart at the scenes, and
the damage they're going to take and the destruction has
Blah could likely lead that country to fall back into
civil war and complete chaos. And so I get your sponsor,
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I get you're getting all your money from the Iranians,
But do you really want to wind up looking like Gaza?
And if you were going to attack Israel, why wouldn't
you do that when the Israel was bogged down in Gaza.
Not when Gaza is pretty much done and they can
turn their full force on you. And the problem for
the Iranians is Okay, look, there's a lot of countries
between you and Israel. You can't really attack each other
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other than a lot of missiles and crap at each other.
And yeah, you can do a lot of damage to
Israel on the other hand, which by the way, is
a very resilient state. They have a lot of bunkers,
they have a lot of redundant command and control, they've
got a lot of foreign assistance. You, on the other hand,
the first thing they're going to come after is your
command and control, your infrastructure, including your electrical grid and
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all your oil revenue exports and your nuclear missile sites,
I mean, your nuclear weapons facilities, and you don't have
a fraction of the air and missile defense that the
Israelis have, and the Israelis have the capacity to do
long range air strike against you guys, and all you
guys can really do his love missile. So it's nice
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to pop up your chest and say, yeah, let's just
go to Warren Carushi is really but you know this
is going to end like sixty eight, which is not
good for you guys. So look, I don't know what
they're going to do in Tran. I'm just knowing that
this war is not a free lunch against Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No, no, no, no, all right, So we're in a complete agreement.
Because while I was stalling waiting for your call, I
had brought up the first question is is this a
retaliatory strike for taking out the hamas political leader and
embarrassing them on their soil, and therefore it'll be measured
timely and over and not really designed to escalate or
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will this be an escalation? And the bigger question, does
Iran go it alone or do they have some level
of a coalition. You think they're going it alone. I
think Israel can take care of itself against Iran. The
question is does the US have to get involved? Does
Russia get involved? That would be very escalating that we
seem to be on the same page. Then there's means, motive,
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an opportunity. Their motive is eternal, all right. So these
are radical Islamists who believe that when the hour comes,
Jihad brings about the hidden ee mom that leads to
seven years of bliss of Islamic world, you know, religion,
and then Alah comes back and judges us all. So
that's their motive. The means is a big part of it.
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You know, just how far are they with these advanced
centrifusions and do they have the delivery systems to go
with it?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So if I were a rhyn and look and I
tell you I'm not always right, you know, you know,
if people call thefad what's going to happen? And I'll say, well,
this is right? And when I'm wrong and I am wrong,
sometimes it's because they choose the reckless, irresponsible course, right,
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which I mean I think, well that's not the right
thing to do. If a run with smart this is
what they do. They would they would make the classic
we choose to respond at the time and place of
our choosing, blah blah. They would push the surrogates to
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do as much as damage as they can. They might
do a kind of a symbolic you know, shoot a
couple of missile things. But I wouldn't do that. And
here's what I would do. I would wait about I
don't know. I might do it before the election. I
might do it after the election. I would just say
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I am a declared nuclear power. Now it doesn't matter
if Aron actually has a functioning nuclear weapon or not.
We'll all debate that, but nobody believes they can't build one.
And the second you declare you're a nuclear state, people
start to treat you differently. The likelihood is and I
would probably do it before the election US election, just
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to create maximum chaos. If Harris wins, they don't really
have a plan to deal with Iran, so they're just
sit there in blank. If Club wins, it'll be it's
sixty ninety days before he becomes president. What's he going
to do today when he goes in office? Attack Israel?
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So and I don't think Israel, I mean if Iran
declared self parnuclear power right now, much sure Israel is
in the place where they could really afford to do anything,
so that would be my play.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I fear we're going to maybe have to go to overtime.
I'll try to make my questions as quick as I can.
When it came to the Cuban missile crisis, the driving
force was Berlin Kennedy's ability to see that whatever we
did in Cuba, which looks so obvious, just go in
and take them out, would result in Berlin and potentially
with NATO World War III. So Berlin drove it. Here.
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We've got China and pending aggression towards Taiwan, we have Ukraine,
which is headed to Poland, and we have Israel itself.
That's three Berlins in one conflict. You're right, where they're
at is pretty good. They're getting cash from the US.
They're wreaking, you know, somewhat pesky havoc on Israel through proxies.
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I don't think they want it all out war. I
don't think they want to create World War three, and
I don't think they would fare very well against Israel,
let alone if US forces got involved. So really the
status quo and claiming a nuclear state is their wisest
course of action. The question is back to motives.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They're going to do that, right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Because they are as you know, jihadis at their room.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But you know, people miscalculate, right, you know, people, you
know this is this is this is strategy. You know,
I don't think anybody anticipated that killing the Archduke of
you know, whatever was going to lead to World War One.
The Germans looked at that and they say, well, here's
a strategic opportunity to achieve everything that we that we
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one in one sell, swoop and if we're lucky, this
will all work. And they and they made a massive
strategic miscalculation that wound up bogged down in World War One.
You know, Hitler made massive you know, strategic overreach. And
so this happens. People do this, People think, ah, you know,
now is the time I can steal a march. I
mean the Japanese thought this with Pearl Harvard. So it happens.
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I mean, and there are other cards you can play
that are more subtle and yet escolatory. I mean, the
US is wide open for a terrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well there is that, and it could be all they
could coordinate all of them.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Look at the UK right now, and the UK is
completely bogged down with these incredible, unbelievable riots in the
country and they're absolute turmoil.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Let me do two quick questions closing moments with detenant
Colonel James Carafanal. You can if you're on social media,
you're seeing the videos on the streets of UK chaos.
They're yelling a la awk bar, they're attacking citizens. You
go to Fox, you go to CNN, you go to Axios,
you go to the Wash, but not Peep and if
you google the story directly, all you find is the
Prime Minister's ready to crack down on right wing extremists.
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We are attacking Muslims. So what's the truth of what's
going on there? What's the truth about what may go
on the ground here, What's the truth of the fact
that don't forget Israel and Iran are a proxy war
in a much bigger picture with China, Russia in the US.
I mean, all those forces in the Gulf, I'm sure
they're to provide defense for Israel, not necessarily go on
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the offense. But you can't guard Ukraine, guard Israel and
guard Taiwan all at the same time, and the bigger
proxy war that's being played by China and Russia could
make another more significant move than the one. They've got
your diversion early thinking.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There we disagree. I think you can. You can deal
with all three theaters and peep, do we have a second?
How much time we have as long.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
As well we could take the break and come back
or finish. Let's just finish, finish, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So you know, you know, people said we have to prioritize.
You can't do everything it wants, and that's true, that's
the artist. But that doesn't mean that you do nothing right.
So I mean stupid people say, oh, we'll deal with
one problem when we ignore the other two. Therefore I prioritize, Well,
you know, I'll pay the mortgage, but I won't pay
any of my other bills. That doesn't work right. So
during World War Two, we said Germany first. That was
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the right decision. But in the first year of the
war we actually set more man material to the Indo
Pacific than we did to Germany.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And the reason for that was we had to make
sure that Japanese couldn't control the First and Second Island chain,
because if they could be coming back and defeating, they
wouldn't have been really really hard. But once once we
stabilized that theater, we could focus on Germany and we
could always come back and kick their butt the other
a time. So the question in the Middle East and
Europe is not how are we going to abandon those
that we can focus on China and Taiwan. The question
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is how do we stabilize those theaters so we free
up more resources to do with China and that that
is both dealt and the reason why we're in this
fix is simply for one reason, we made really bad
choices in the last four years on Middle East and
Europe policies. The Middle East will not be easy to fix.
This is a very long problem. But if we reverse
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our policies, we can begin to stabilize that theater. I
actually think we're already well silizing these I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I agree all the above is what's scary if you
have these attacks on bases in a rock we have
bad border uh decisions that result in bad consequence and
start having terrorist attacks on our soil as they're breaking
out in Great Britain, as Iron doesn't allowed to assault
on Israel and becomes a direct war. This all the above,
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and the enemy has to say good news.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Most of these problems or problems we create it for ourselves.
Those are the easiest ones to fix. It's the problem
that your enemies create for you that are much harder
to fix.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
James Carafano, I know you're busy with the attack on
our base and with depending war, an attack on Israel.
Thank you for your time meant the world to me.
We may have to have you back as conditions warrant.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:11):
We're trying to keep our eye on the ball today,
and there's two balls to keep our eye on. A
proxy war that's about to become a direct war with
Iran and Israel, and don't forget they're a proxy for
a world war with Russia, US and China. And then
the other is Kamala Harris. Now, you got to take
this all with a grain of salt. Keep in mind,
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this is a candidate for President of the United States,
who in the middle of the night last night, secured
through virtual reality, the nomination for President of the United
States without ever campaigning herself, without ever debating a candidate,
without ever receiving a single vote. That's this new saved democracy,
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administrative state of the left, and now, having not run herself,
she will choose her running mate. I mean, that's breathtaking
in and of itself. Then you go, okay, well, how
do you unite the party? I mean, the party seems
pretty united in its socialist worldview. Do you balance the
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ticket in any way? Or who is the choice to
be a heartbeat away when the current president doesn't seem
to be a brain wave away. It looks like it's
going to be an electoral college map play. And that's
why everybody's eyes were on Mark Kelly, and I think
he was one of the three finalists because Arizona's a
swing state. Josh Shapiro, because Pennsylvania is necessary for them
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to have any path forward. Unfortunately, he's Jewish and we
got a world war brewing with in a lot of
dissent within their party, and so that leaves the other choice,
Tim Waltz, an unknown Tim Kaine, if you will, like
Hillary chose the governor of Minnesota. It seems to be
narrowed down to two. Why they would start in Pennsylvania Philadelphia,
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to be exact, to overlook Josh Shapiro doesn't make a
lot of sense. But whatever choice they make, it's easy
sailing today doesn't look so easy come convention in Chicago
or Iran and the escalation of war in the Middle East.
So which way did they go? Well that brings on
Chris Walker, who is doing double duty this week because
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conditions have wren't we are going to get the selection today,
Chris anything the Republicans are hearing about who this choice
will be.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Well, I mean, you know, we saw the Good Morning Michael,
Sorry I should for the first you know, we're we
saw the Philadelphia mayor last week. Uh you know, leak
a tweet that said Shapiro was the vice president. So
I think in a certain degree some of this Tim
Walt stuff is just kind of maybe trying to make
there there to be more you know, anticipation than there
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is my sense of Shapira. You know, if you look
at the map Pennsylvan you know one helps one of
the two helps her win.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
The other one helps her lose. And I think Shapiro
helps her, you know, be in a better position to win.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I think Walt puts her in a much better position
to lose, or you know, in our mind, better position
to lose.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, you know, we go back, when we go back
and look at Hillary Clinton, I mean hu Briss deplorable comment,
a very unlikable person. So there's a lot of anti
Hillary vote out there. What we don't discuss out loud
is can a woman be elected president will America in
a general election? Elected woman? We don't know that yet.
We know the elected person of color they did with
Barack Obama, So there's a lot of uncertainty there when
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we go back. It was an outsider referendum election which
brought us an outsider in Trump, a businessman in Mogul.
It would have produced an outsider in Bernie Sanders as socialists,
but the DNC got involved with super delegates and others
to rig it for Hillary Clinton. And then the final
question mark is could Tim Kine have been the decisive
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bad choice going with mister sellafane Vanilla Nobody knows them,
didn't really bring anything to the map, didn't really bring
anything to the party, didn't really bring anything of the ticket.
Would Tim Waltz represent that again?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, Tim Waltz is The problem with Tim Waltz isn't
necessarily his his unknown but his knowns. If you know,
I've done some work in Minnesota and I can tell
you Tim Waltz is one of the worst governors in America.
You know, the state is run incredibly poorly. You know,
they had what was you know, used to be a
you know, a relatively thriving.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Business community that run a lot of it out of state.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
You know, he's he's been the architect of the most
radical left wing legislative takeover of the last ten years,
where you know, BLM and all of the other kind
of you know, most worst elements of the peak woke
in twenty twenty are policy in Minnesota. So, I mean,
you know, kind of like how Jade Vance has kind
of been an interesting, you know, kind of OPO file
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for Democrats to put out there. Tim Waltz would be
an absolute you know, treasure trow of information for you
and I to talk about for the next ninety days
and make Tamala Harris's campaign be about Tim and his failures.
Rather than you know, what they would like to talk
about with is Donald Trump. So from a part political standpoint,
Waltz is just is, you know, kryptonite for a win.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
All right, So when we look at the generic polling nationwide,
a nationwide won't decide anything. But when we look at nationwide,
you got Commal to Harris up by two tenths. Some
of them are one tenth but it's roughly a tie.
But that's not going to decide the election. Swing states
are Arizona's a key swing state. Pennsylvania is the keyest
of all because you cannot simply find a path for
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the Democrats without Pennsylvania becomes a bullseye and almost nearly impossible.
Minnesota is like a tertiary on the electoral college map.
And I don't know in an independent state like Minnesota
if Tim Waltz is really that highly perceived in an
independent state. So I'm kind of with you. I still
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think it's Josh Shapiro because at least that doesn't create
problems until things go really bad in the Middle East
or on the ground in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Minnesota is the only state in the country that voted
blue in nineteen eighty four and that that's ancient history.
But you know, like Minnesota is just the state that
brought us Jesse, Ventura is not necessarily the harmager of
swing states in America, you know, I think ultimately I agree,
I think, you know, I don't think Shapiro guarantees Pennsylvania
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for Harris. I think that logic has some laws in it,
but I think it certainly puts it more likely for
her to win it rather than not. I mean, let's
just a governor that has a sixty five percent approval
rating is not controversial, and you know, being on the
national ticket will make him more controversial. But you know,
on the whole, the state seems to like him. You know,
what does that translated into actual votes? Could be thirty thousand,
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could be forty thousand, could be fifty thousand, and you know,
in a very tight election, which this is going to be,
that could be the difference.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know, the hard part is calling it tight. I mean,
you got Trump with all of this, and it's all
emotional wave. It's not going to last. But even with
this current wave, you know, you got Trump probably leading
more comfortably in Pennsylvania than in Arizona or even Minnesota.
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So this may be where they need to make the
most ground. It's just going to be very problematic once
you get to Chicago, because you know, as things intensify
in the Middle East, so they intensify on the ground
in the streets of Chicago like they did in sixty eight,
and perhaps onto the convention floor. So Shapiro makes great
sense overall today, not so much in a week or two.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Well, looking at what you're you know, the issue of
kind of Israel and you know, Palestidians and kind of
the Middle East, I would point you to another Pennsylvania
elected official, John Fetterman, who you know, has been one
of the most pro Israel Democrats in Congress and went
from the third least popular senator to one of the
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most popular on national.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Average because of his Israel stands.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
So if you know, again, I don't I don't mean
to go on the radio and talk about, you know,
strategies that help Democrats and say Shapiro helps them, because
being pro Israel is positive. Most people in America are there.
And if you're worried about one district in Michigan and
that's how you're basing your entire electoral strategy, that is
a failed strategy. So you know, from a from a
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from a macro standpoint, they are much better off having
Shapiro on there and talking about the value of the
only democracy in the Middle East and.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
The values that that they espouse, rather than what we're
seeing from these Palestinian terrorists.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
For synthesizers, why is Mark Kelly out?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
You know, I think it does come down to electoral
the electoral map. While I do think he probably put
their zone and more in play. I mean, we've seen
them pulling it. I think trumpshon will further out in
Arizona is in Pennsylvania. If if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
In Wisconsin, she wins. And it's that simple.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
And so an electoral play of that magnitude, I think
just pure math to get the two seventy. It's in
her interest to think of those three as the states
that she needs to really pick off.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So how does Tim Waltz make any sense?
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Exactly exactly, and Tim and.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Josh Shapiro makes all the sense in the world, And
it's apparently.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Down to those just at points in Waltz's record, it
is so bad and all of the videos we've gotten
to see with Kamala over the last you know, eight
years or so for being.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
In the public space.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
And if you you know, obviously the media generally is
trying to blackfold them, but you know they exist.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
If you go on Twitter or social media.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Will find them that they're really terrifying. Walts is just
as bad on that. So again, Kamala of twenty twenty four,
who's the presidential candidate for the Democrat Party, trying to
erase for liberal record and record time, you know, doubling
down on that with a Tim Waltz.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Who is unabashedly liberal, is just it's just bad politics.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'll remind everybody. In nineteen sixty eight, what was really
driving the country was division. There was racial division. There
was Martin Luther King versus the Black Panthers who were
sick of playing the peaceful game and ready to take
it by force. That led to the Wallace candidacy. Then
you had the anti Vietnam War candidate and McCarthy. We
have anti war now within the Democrat Party, incerning Palestine
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and Israel. We have an assassination attempt that was successful
in sixty eight on Robert Kennedy, who was all about
enough of the wars, we're hurting at home. It's time
to focus on home and make America live up to
its declaration and live up to its commitment to its people.
When you think about it, that real candidate is Donald Trump,
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and that's why the assassination attempt that failed was on
him nineteen sixty eight keeps happening over and over again
in twenty twenty four, which tells me Shapiro should be
the pick because it's the smart pick, it's the necessary
pick on the electoral college map, and it creates the
nineteen sixty eight havoc in Chicago at the convent. Wow,
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these are interesting time. Save something for us to discuss
tomorrow and our weekly visit. But conditions warn't all right.
So Decker is going with Waltz. David's not no. Did
Decker go with Waltz or Shapiro. Don't think you were
with Shapiro. He went with Shapiro. So Decker went with Shapiro.
Zanati went with Waltz. I went with Mark Kelly, and
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I just stay wrong. I don't know, and you're going
with Shapiro. We'll find out what Rory thinks next, but
we'll all know by the time we talk again tomorrow.
Chris Walker, Republican consultant and analyst, thanks for joining us
all d.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Dave Brother, This is James from Greenwood, South Carolina, and
my morning show is your Morning Show with Michael Dozoro.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It looks as though Iron is going to make some
kind of attack on Israel, and it looks like Kamala
Harris has narrowed it from three to two. And that
leaves us Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota, and Josh Shapiro,
the Governor of Pennsylvania. And we always give our last
story to Rory. Rory, let me get you up to speed.
(29:03):
I picked Mark Kelly. John Decker picked Mark Kelly. I
can't remember who you picked the Ridge. Did you go
Mark Kelly too?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
I picked Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh, you picked Sapiro, so you're still alive. We were
both wrong. He's now switched to Shapiro. No, I'm saying
Decker was wrong. I am just gonna stay wrong. David
Sanati's going with Tim Waltz. We just heard Chris Walker.
He's going with Shapiro like you, you're sticking with Shapiro.
I take it well.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
CNN is now reporting that Walls is the pick that
the announcement is being made that Walls is the running
mate for Vice President Kamala Harris. So we'll get the
formal introduction tonight at that rally in Philadelphia. But it is,
according to CNN, vice President Kamala Harris made the decision
to make Tim Wallas her running.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Mate, all right, So Zanati's right. They go with a
Tim Kaine kind of mister cella fane that no one
knows enough about to have an opinion. It becomes a
tertiary map play in Minnesota, and I don't know if
Walts can be enough to deliver Minnesota, but it leaves
Pennsylvania for grabs. Your assumption if it's Waltz and CNN
is right, couldn't go with Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Well, Minnesota is going to go blue anyway, So that's
I don't think that's much of a surprise. I think
more this is going to be about personalities. I think
that Senator Fetterman from Pennsylvania may have issued the warning
that's stuck with the VP in that beware Josh Shapiro's
ambition that you know, if he were to be on
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the ticket, if he were to become Vice president, that
he wouldn't just be quietly going to funerals in Middle
Eastern countries, that he'd actually be much more of a
vocal player here because of his own political ambitions, and.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Maybe the other warning being Israel. I mean, we have
all you know what breaking out in Chicago. Apparently they're
expecting tens of thousands of protesters. They're wanting bigger routes,
dominate the more people. Boy, that's nineteen sixty eight all
over again. And then if you have a Jewish running mate,
that's going to create divisions within the party. I mean,
(31:07):
all of that, even though the wisest move is Philadelphia.
That was why they had to Pennsylvania. That's why they
had to avoid Shapiro. I would think, right.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean they may have been personal, they may
not have you know, Yeah, I mean there are a
host of reasons why it doesn't work. I mean, I
think the basic electoral math you would have said, oh, well,
Shapiro is your obvious choice. But maybe they didn't get along,
you know, maybe you know, it could be a host
of reasons why the decision was made to go with Walls.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But you know, maybe.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
We'll get some more of a discussion about this. You know,
we're still waiting for that big sit down interview, right
when does Harris sit down and finally talk to a
reporter and give us, you know, some recap of the
past two weeks and how this has all come forward
and what she plans to do with her campaign.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, as you know, they hit Joe Biden and won
an election, there might be an attempt to high her
interviews debates. This is where word salads and she only
has two personalities giddy and giggly and then nasty. They're
trying to avoid all of that.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
All right, So these two personalities that have been.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Shown, yeah, or later they're going to be shown again.
What do you make of the wisest decision? I mean,
if you're gonna once you take out Shapiro, doesn't Mark
Kelly make a lot more sense than Walls?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Again?
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I mean, this is a decision about you know, this
is supposed to be your partner in crime here, so
you know, is this someone that you can work with?
And you know it's not all about the electoral math,
it's not necessarily you know, there is You are creating
a partnership, You're a working relationship, and this has to
be someone who can also take your orders. You know,
I'm not sure Mark Kelly is a guy that's going
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to sit back and say nothing if he disagrees with
Vice President Harrison.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
All Right, we know that both Vice President Harris and
President and Biden have been briefed on the attack on
our base in Iraq. We know a pending attack from Iran.
We don't know what level. Is it going to be
some kind of proportional retaliation for being embarrassed and taking
out the political leader from Hamas or is this going
to be the beginning of an effort to have a
direct war with Israel. Are we hearing anything on that front?
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Well, you know Israel is still eventually standing by after
the attack that they launched against the Hamas leader in Tehran.
You know that Iran is going to respond in some way.
We're just trying to figure out where and when. You know,
back in that April response that when Iran launched that
attack on Israel, they gave plenty of warning. They said
(33:39):
what date was going to happen, what direction was coming from.
They basically laid out I wanted to help in the defense,
but this if they're not behaving the same way at this.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Time around all right, Rory O'Neil with the breaking news.
CNN is reporting Tim Walls is the choice that is
going to be announced, the governor from Minnesota. He was
a twelve year member of the House of Representatives before
becoming a governor in Minnesota and now about to be
the running mate of Kamala Harris. Great reporting as always,
worry we'll talk again tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Good morning, six minutes after the hour, Welcome to Tuesday,
August to sixth. We are not short of things to
talk about, that's for sure. Are we heading into a
recession or is it just two big sell offs and
maybe even a little bit of recovery today if we
follow the Japanese market, time will tell. Vice President Harris
seems to be down to two names, Josh Shapiro in
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Pennsylvania and from walls of Minnesota, two governors. The announcement,
come out, come out, wherever you are, will be made
in mere hours from now, and tropical storm DEBI continues
to stall out in North Florida and in the Carolinas,
dumping inches of rain and causing a lot of flooding.
And the US added eight more medals to the Paris
Olympic Games. We now lead the world with seventy nine
(01:21):
total medals, including twenty one gold, which ties US with
China heading into a very heavy track and field week. Also,
we've got the men's and women's basketball who are on
the move heading into gold medal matches, and the soccer
team doing well too. The lady soccer team will make
an effort at getting to the gold medal round as well.
(01:42):
And then we have the Middle East, probably the most
troubling story. Several US personnel have been injured in a
rocket attack against the US military base in western Iraq.
Is this at all related to what we believe any
moment will be an Iran attack on Israel? Three big questions.
(02:04):
Will Iran be retaliating for a Hamas political leader killed
on their soil. Will it be a proportional response similar
to the one that they recently had, which was a
bunch of drones that were easily blocked, or are they
going for total conflict? And escalation, And do they go
(02:26):
it alone or do they go it with a coalition
of Arab forces in the epicenter of the world, the
Middle East, and in the epicenter of the epicenter Israel.
You don't like to see Muslim sects or nations uniting
against Israel. So are they going it alone? Is it
(02:49):
just a symbolic response or is it an escalation of
a proxy war turned direct war between Iran and Israel?
And as we always bring up, don't forget Iran and
Israel are proxy wars for Russia, China, and America. The
potential for this to escalate not because of what it
(03:15):
would mean to a presidential election, but what it could
mean for our time and for all time. These are
the things to really keep our eye on. Now, what's
the priority, First and foremost the protection of Israel. Second,
foremost avoid a world war. This would be a heck
(03:38):
of a way to find out what Iran really has.
Now they've had enriched centrifuges, and they've had materials that
have been provided primarily by Russia but also by China.
Do they have the delivery systems? Is this a nuclear
Iran and a nuclear Israel? Getting ready to face off
(04:01):
and probably the biggest unknown factor all wars are about
means motive and opportunity, means do they have a delivery
system for their enriched uranium and centrifugias opportunity Is this
(04:21):
the moment they believe is the moment to bring about
the hidden emom I mean they have their prophecies they follow,
so not a retaliation for the taking out of a
Hamas leader, but a planned war. These will all be
(04:46):
playing out now. There are people that have been studying
these nations and studying wars for a lifetime, even teaching
them at West Point, and one of them is Lieutenant
Colonel James Carafano. All right, so we have an attack
on an Iraqi air base. We don't know that's involved
at all with whatever Iran plans. We know that Blincoln
met with Iran, didn't seem to talk them off the
(05:07):
ledge and then warn the G seven that an attack
on Israel is coming. That clock is ticking or about
ticked out. So it should be any moment. And the
question is is it's a retaliating response? Measured are all
about war? Is a proxy war about to be a
direct war?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So there's kind of three things we have to watch simultaneously.
I have zero faith in the American diploma. And I
don't say that, you know, this isn't a partisan comment.
I just think there's Diplomatically, they don't have many cards
to play, and it's very clear that their diplomacy with
Iran has just been a colossal failure. But we haven't
(05:46):
had a massive deployment of US forces to the Gulf,
and that's certainly something that the Iranians do understand and
that they are looking at. So when people say, oh
my god, you know they just ignore the US the
running you do they they want I think they've got
one eye on all that stuff, American stuff in the Gulf,
and they and that is that's important. The second one
(06:08):
is the Iranians have clearly sent messages that they are
not interested, that that they don't really want to do
and all at war with these guys, and that's why
the Israelis did a very proportional and very strategic and
surgical response. And the third thing is and this is
the this is the thing that you have to realize
is if you're a run or has blah, how does
(06:31):
this end? Now? Yeah, blow can do a lot of
damage to Israel. But Lebanon is a very very fragile
state that is literally coming apart at the scenes, and
the damage they're going to take and the destruction has
Blah could likely lead that country to fall back into
civil war and complete chaos. And so I get your sponsor,
(06:54):
I get you're getting all your money from the Iranians,
But do you really want to wind up looking like Gaza?
And if you were going to attack Israel, why wouldn't
you do that when the Israel was bogged down in Gaza.
Not when Gaza is pretty much done and they can
turn their full force on you. And the problem for
the Iranians is Okay, look, there's a lot of countries
between you and Israel. You can't really attack each other
(07:16):
other than a lot of missiles and crap at each other.
And yeah, you can do a lot of damage to
Israel on the other hand, which by the way, is
a very resilient state. They have a lot of bunkers,
they have a lot of redundant command and control, they've
got a lot of foreign assistance. You, on the other hand,
the first thing they're going to come after is your
command and control, your infrastructure, including your electrical grid and
(07:41):
all your oil revenue exports and your nuclear missile sites,
I mean, your nuclear weapons facilities, and you don't have
a fraction of the air and missile defense that the
Israelis have, and the Israelis have the capacity to do
long range air strike against you guys, and all you
guys can really do his love missile. So it's nice
(08:03):
to pop up your chest and say, yeah, let's just
go to Warren Carushi is really but you know this
is going to end like sixty eight, which is not
good for you guys. So look, I don't know what
they're going to do in Tran. I'm just knowing that
this war is not a free lunch against Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
No, no, no, no, all right, So we're in a complete agreement.
Because while I was stalling waiting for your call, I
had brought up the first question is is this a
retaliatory strike for taking out the hamas political leader and
embarrassing them on their soil, and therefore it'll be measured
timely and over and not really designed to escalate or
(08:39):
will this be an escalation? And the bigger question, does
Iran go it alone or do they have some level
of a coalition. You think they're going it alone. I
think Israel can take care of itself against Iran. The
question is does the US have to get involved? Does
Russia get involved? That would be very escalating that we
seem to be on the same page. Then there's means, motive,
(09:00):
an opportunity. Their motive is eternal, all right. So these
are radical Islamists who believe that when the hour comes,
Jihad brings about the hidden ee mom that leads to
seven years of bliss of Islamic world, you know, religion,
and then Alah comes back and judges us all. So
that's their motive. The means is a big part of it.
(09:22):
You know, just how far are they with these advanced
centrifusions and do they have the delivery systems to go
with it?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So if I were a rhyn and look and I
tell you I'm not always right, you know, you know,
if people call thefad what's going to happen? And I'll say, well,
this is right? And when I'm wrong and I am wrong,
sometimes it's because they choose the reckless, irresponsible course, right,
(09:50):
which I mean I think, well that's not the right
thing to do. If a run with smart this is
what they do. They would they would make the classic
we choose to respond at the time and place of
our choosing, blah blah. They would push the surrogates to
(10:12):
do as much as damage as they can. They might
do a kind of a symbolic you know, shoot a
couple of missile things. But I wouldn't do that. And
here's what I would do. I would wait about I
don't know. I might do it before the election. I
might do it after the election. I would just say
(10:33):
I am a declared nuclear power. Now it doesn't matter
if Aron actually has a functioning nuclear weapon or not.
We'll all debate that, but nobody believes they can't build one.
And the second you declare you're a nuclear state, people
start to treat you differently. The likelihood is and I
would probably do it before the election US election, just
(10:55):
to create maximum chaos. If Harris wins, they don't really
have a plan to deal with Iran, so they're just
sit there in blank. If Club wins, it'll be it's
sixty ninety days before he becomes president. What's he going
to do today when he goes in office? Attack Israel?
(11:17):
So and I don't think Israel, I mean if Iran
declared self parnuclear power right now, much sure Israel is
in the place where they could really afford to do anything,
so that would be my play.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I fear we're going to maybe have to go to overtime.
I'll try to make my questions as quick as I can.
When it came to the Cuban missile crisis, the driving
force was Berlin Kennedy's ability to see that whatever we
did in Cuba, which looks so obvious, just go in
and take them out, would result in Berlin and potentially
with NATO World War III. So Berlin drove it. Here.
(11:49):
We've got China and pending aggression towards Taiwan, we have Ukraine,
which is headed to Poland, and we have Israel itself.
That's three Berlins in one conflict. You're right, where they're
at is pretty good. They're getting cash from the US.
They're wreaking, you know, somewhat pesky havoc on Israel through proxies.
(12:12):
I don't think they want it all out war. I
don't think they want to create World War three, and
I don't think they would fare very well against Israel,
let alone if US forces got involved. So really the
status quo and claiming a nuclear state is their wisest
course of action. The question is back to motives.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They're going to do that, right.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Because they are as you know, jihadis at their room.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But you know, people miscalculate, right, you know, people, you
know this is this is this is strategy. You know,
I don't think anybody anticipated that killing the Archduke of
you know, whatever was going to lead to World War One.
The Germans looked at that and they say, well, here's
a strategic opportunity to achieve everything that we that we
(13:00):
one in one sell, swoop and if we're lucky, this
will all work. And they and they made a massive
strategic miscalculation that wound up bogged down in World War One.
You know, Hitler made massive you know, strategic overreach. And
so this happens. People do this, People think, ah, you know,
now is the time I can steal a march. I
mean the Japanese thought this with Pearl Harvard. So it happens.
(13:21):
I mean, and there are other cards you can play
that are more subtle and yet escolatory. I mean, the
US is wide open for a terrorist attack.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well there is that, and it could be all they
could coordinate all of them.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Look at the UK right now, and the UK is
completely bogged down with these incredible, unbelievable riots in the
country and they're absolute turmoil.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Let me do two quick questions closing moments with detenant
Colonel James Carafanal. You can if you're on social media,
you're seeing the videos on the streets of UK chaos.
They're yelling a la awk bar, they're attacking citizens. You
go to Fox, you go to CNN, you go to Axios,
you go to the Wash, but not Peep and if
you google the story directly, all you find is the
Prime Minister's ready to crack down on right wing extremists.
(14:06):
We are attacking Muslims. So what's the truth of what's
going on there? What's the truth about what may go
on the ground here, What's the truth of the fact
that don't forget Israel and Iran are a proxy war
in a much bigger picture with China, Russia in the US.
I mean, all those forces in the Gulf, I'm sure
they're to provide defense for Israel, not necessarily go on
(14:26):
the offense. But you can't guard Ukraine, guard Israel and
guard Taiwan all at the same time, and the bigger
proxy war that's being played by China and Russia could
make another more significant move than the one. They've got
your diversion early thinking.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There we disagree. I think you can. You can deal
with all three theaters and peep, do we have a second?
How much time we have as long.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
As well we could take the break and come back
or finish. Let's just finish, finish, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So you know, you know, people said we have to prioritize.
You can't do everything it wants, and that's true, that's
the artist. But that doesn't mean that you do nothing right.
So I mean stupid people say, oh, we'll deal with
one problem when we ignore the other two. Therefore I prioritize, Well,
you know, I'll pay the mortgage, but I won't pay
any of my other bills. That doesn't work right. So
during World War Two, we said Germany first. That was
(15:16):
the right decision. But in the first year of the
war we actually set more man material to the Indo
Pacific than we did to Germany.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And the reason for that was we had to make
sure that Japanese couldn't control the First and Second Island chain,
because if they could be coming back and defeating, they
wouldn't have been really really hard. But once once we
stabilized that theater, we could focus on Germany and we
could always come back and kick their butt the other
a time. So the question in the Middle East and
Europe is not how are we going to abandon those
that we can focus on China and Taiwan. The question
(15:43):
is how do we stabilize those theaters so we free
up more resources to do with China and that that
is both dealt and the reason why we're in this
fix is simply for one reason, we made really bad
choices in the last four years on Middle East and
Europe policies. The Middle East will not be easy to fix.
This is a very long problem. But if we reverse
(16:05):
our policies, we can begin to stabilize that theater. I
actually think we're already well silizing these I agree.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I agree all the above is what's scary if you
have these attacks on bases in a rock we have
bad border uh decisions that result in bad consequence and
start having terrorist attacks on our soil as they're breaking
out in Great Britain, as Iron doesn't allowed to assault
on Israel and becomes a direct war. This all the above,
(16:35):
and the enemy has to say good news.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Most of these problems or problems we create it for ourselves.
Those are the easiest ones to fix. It's the problem
that your enemies create for you that are much harder
to fix.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
James Carafano, I know you're busy with the attack on
our base and with depending war, an attack on Israel.
Thank you for your time meant the world to me.
We may have to have you back as conditions warrant.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
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Speaker 1 (17:11):
We're trying to keep our eye on the ball today,
and there's two balls to keep our eye on. A
proxy war that's about to become a direct war with
Iran and Israel, and don't forget they're a proxy for
a world war with Russia, US and China. And then
the other is Kamala Harris. Now, you got to take
this all with a grain of salt. Keep in mind,
(17:33):
this is a candidate for President of the United States,
who in the middle of the night last night, secured
through virtual reality, the nomination for President of the United
States without ever campaigning herself, without ever debating a candidate,
without ever receiving a single vote. That's this new saved democracy,
(17:55):
administrative state of the left, and now, having not run herself,
she will choose her running mate. I mean, that's breathtaking
in and of itself. Then you go, okay, well, how
do you unite the party? I mean, the party seems
pretty united in its socialist worldview. Do you balance the
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ticket in any way? Or who is the choice to
be a heartbeat away when the current president doesn't seem
to be a brain wave away. It looks like it's
going to be an electoral college map play. And that's
why everybody's eyes were on Mark Kelly, and I think
he was one of the three finalists because Arizona's a
swing state. Josh Shapiro, because Pennsylvania is necessary for them
(18:40):
to have any path forward. Unfortunately, he's Jewish and we
got a world war brewing with in a lot of
dissent within their party, and so that leaves the other choice,
Tim Waltz, an unknown Tim Kaine, if you will, like
Hillary chose the governor of Minnesota. It seems to be
narrowed down to two. Why they would start in Pennsylvania Philadelphia,
(19:02):
to be exact, to overlook Josh Shapiro doesn't make a
lot of sense. But whatever choice they make, it's easy
sailing today doesn't look so easy come convention in Chicago
or Iran and the escalation of war in the Middle East.
So which way did they go? Well that brings on
Chris Walker, who is doing double duty this week because
(19:24):
conditions have wren't we are going to get the selection today,
Chris anything the Republicans are hearing about who this choice
will be.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Well, I mean, you know, we saw the Good Morning Michael,
Sorry I should for the first you know, we're we
saw the Philadelphia mayor last week. Uh you know, leak
a tweet that said Shapiro was the vice president. So
I think in a certain degree some of this Tim
Walt stuff is just kind of maybe trying to make
there there to be more you know, anticipation than there
(19:52):
is my sense of Shapira. You know, if you look
at the map Pennsylvan you know one helps one of
the two helps her win.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
The other one helps her lose. And I think Shapiro
helps her, you know, be in a better position to win.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
I think Walt puts her in a much better position
to lose, or you know, in our mind, better position
to lose.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, you know, we go back, when we go back
and look at Hillary Clinton, I mean hu Briss deplorable comment,
a very unlikable person. So there's a lot of anti
Hillary vote out there. What we don't discuss out loud
is can a woman be elected president will America in
a general election? Elected woman? We don't know that yet.
We know the elected person of color they did with
Barack Obama, So there's a lot of uncertainty there when
(20:35):
we go back. It was an outsider referendum election which
brought us an outsider in Trump, a businessman in Mogul.
It would have produced an outsider in Bernie Sanders as socialists,
but the DNC got involved with super delegates and others
to rig it for Hillary Clinton. And then the final
question mark is could Tim Kine have been the decisive
(20:56):
bad choice going with mister sellafane Vanilla Nobody knows them,
didn't really bring anything to the map, didn't really bring
anything to the party, didn't really bring anything of the ticket.
Would Tim Waltz represent that again?
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Well, Tim Waltz is The problem with Tim Waltz isn't
necessarily his his unknown but his knowns. If you know,
I've done some work in Minnesota and I can tell
you Tim Waltz is one of the worst governors in America.
You know, the state is run incredibly poorly. You know,
they had what was you know, used to be a
you know, a relatively thriving.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Business community that run a lot of it out of state.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
You know, he's he's been the architect of the most
radical left wing legislative takeover of the last ten years,
where you know, BLM and all of the other kind
of you know, most worst elements of the peak woke
in twenty twenty are policy in Minnesota. So, I mean,
you know, kind of like how Jade Vance has kind
of been an interesting, you know, kind of OPO file
(21:54):
for Democrats to put out there. Tim Waltz would be
an absolute you know, treasure trow of information for you
and I to talk about for the next ninety days
and make Tamala Harris's campaign be about Tim and his failures.
Rather than you know, what they would like to talk
about with is Donald Trump. So from a part political standpoint,
Waltz is just is, you know, kryptonite for a win.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
All right, So when we look at the generic polling nationwide,
a nationwide won't decide anything. But when we look at nationwide,
you got Commal to Harris up by two tenths. Some
of them are one tenth but it's roughly a tie.
But that's not going to decide the election. Swing states
are Arizona's a key swing state. Pennsylvania is the keyest
of all because you cannot simply find a path for
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the Democrats without Pennsylvania becomes a bullseye and almost nearly impossible.
Minnesota is like a tertiary on the electoral college map.
And I don't know in an independent state like Minnesota
if Tim Waltz is really that highly perceived in an
independent state. So I'm kind of with you. I still
(22:58):
think it's Josh Shapiro because at least that doesn't create
problems until things go really bad in the Middle East
or on the ground in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Minnesota is the only state in the country that voted
blue in nineteen eighty four and that that's ancient history.
But you know, like Minnesota is just the state that
brought us Jesse, Ventura is not necessarily the harmager of
swing states in America, you know, I think ultimately I agree,
I think, you know, I don't think Shapiro guarantees Pennsylvania
(23:28):
for Harris. I think that logic has some laws in it,
but I think it certainly puts it more likely for
her to win it rather than not. I mean, let's
just a governor that has a sixty five percent approval
rating is not controversial, and you know, being on the
national ticket will make him more controversial. But you know,
on the whole, the state seems to like him. You know,
what does that translated into actual votes? Could be thirty thousand,
(23:50):
could be forty thousand, could be fifty thousand, and you know,
in a very tight election, which this is going to be,
that could be the difference.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know, the hard part is calling it tight. I mean,
you got Trump with all of this, and it's all
emotional wave. It's not going to last. But even with
this current wave, you know, you got Trump probably leading
more comfortably in Pennsylvania than in Arizona or even Minnesota.
(24:17):
So this may be where they need to make the
most ground. It's just going to be very problematic once
you get to Chicago, because you know, as things intensify
in the Middle East, so they intensify on the ground
in the streets of Chicago like they did in sixty eight,
and perhaps onto the convention floor. So Shapiro makes great
sense overall today, not so much in a week or two.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Well, looking at what you're you know, the issue of
kind of Israel and you know, Palestidians and kind of
the Middle East, I would point you to another Pennsylvania
elected official, John Fetterman, who you know, has been one
of the most pro Israel Democrats in Congress and went
from the third least popular senator to one of the
(25:00):
most popular on national.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
Average because of his Israel stands.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
So if you know, again, I don't I don't mean
to go on the radio and talk about, you know,
strategies that help Democrats and say Shapiro helps them, because
being pro Israel is positive. Most people in America are there.
And if you're worried about one district in Michigan and
that's how you're basing your entire electoral strategy, that is
a failed strategy. So you know, from a from a
(25:25):
from a macro standpoint, they are much better off having
Shapiro on there and talking about the value of the
only democracy in the Middle East and.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
The values that that they espouse, rather than what we're
seeing from these Palestinian terrorists.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
For synthesizers, why is Mark Kelly out?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
You know, I think it does come down to electoral
the electoral map. While I do think he probably put
their zone and more in play. I mean, we've seen
them pulling it. I think trumpshon will further out in
Arizona is in Pennsylvania. If if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
In Wisconsin, she wins. And it's that simple.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
And so an electoral play of that magnitude, I think
just pure math to get the two seventy. It's in
her interest to think of those three as the states
that she needs to really pick off.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So how does Tim Waltz make any sense?
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Exactly exactly, and Tim and.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Josh Shapiro makes all the sense in the world, And
it's apparently.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Down to those just at points in Waltz's record, it
is so bad and all of the videos we've gotten
to see with Kamala over the last you know, eight
years or so for being.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
In the public space.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
And if you you know, obviously the media generally is
trying to blackfold them, but you know they exist.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
If you go on Twitter or social media.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Will find them that they're really terrifying. Walts is just
as bad on that. So again, Kamala of twenty twenty four,
who's the presidential candidate for the Democrat Party, trying to
erase for liberal record and record time, you know, doubling
down on that with a Tim Waltz.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Who is unabashedly liberal, is just it's just bad politics.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'll remind everybody. In nineteen sixty eight, what was really
driving the country was division. There was racial division. There
was Martin Luther King versus the Black Panthers who were
sick of playing the peaceful game and ready to take
it by force. That led to the Wallace candidacy. Then
you had the anti Vietnam War candidate and McCarthy. We
have anti war now within the Democrat Party, incerning Palestine
(27:19):
and Israel. We have an assassination attempt that was successful
in sixty eight on Robert Kennedy, who was all about
enough of the wars, we're hurting at home. It's time
to focus on home and make America live up to
its declaration and live up to its commitment to its people.
When you think about it, that real candidate is Donald Trump,
(27:40):
and that's why the assassination attempt that failed was on
him nineteen sixty eight keeps happening over and over again
in twenty twenty four, which tells me Shapiro should be
the pick because it's the smart pick, it's the necessary
pick on the electoral college map, and it creates the
nineteen sixty eight havoc in Chicago at the convent. Wow,
(28:01):
these are interesting time. Save something for us to discuss
tomorrow and our weekly visit. But conditions warn't all right.
So Decker is going with Waltz. David's not no. Did
Decker go with Waltz or Shapiro. Don't think you were
with Shapiro. He went with Shapiro. So Decker went with Shapiro.
Zanati went with Waltz. I went with Mark Kelly, and
(28:22):
I just stay wrong. I don't know, and you're going
with Shapiro. We'll find out what Rory thinks next, but
we'll all know by the time we talk again tomorrow.
Chris Walker, Republican consultant and analyst, thanks for joining us
all d.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Dave Brother, This is James from Greenwood, South Carolina, and
my morning show is your Morning Show with Michael Dozoro.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It looks as though Iron is going to make some
kind of attack on Israel, and it looks like Kamala
Harris has narrowed it from three to two. And that
leaves us Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota, and Josh Shapiro,
the Governor of Pennsylvania. And we always give our last
story to Rory. Rory, let me get you up to speed.
(29:03):
I picked Mark Kelly. John Decker picked Mark Kelly. I
can't remember who you picked the Ridge. Did you go
Mark Kelly too?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
I picked Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh, you picked Sapiro, so you're still alive. We were
both wrong. He's now switched to Shapiro. No, I'm saying
Decker was wrong. I am just gonna stay wrong. David
Sanati's going with Tim Waltz. We just heard Chris Walker.
He's going with Shapiro like you, you're sticking with Shapiro.
I take it well.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
CNN is now reporting that Walls is the pick that
the announcement is being made that Walls is the running
mate for Vice President Kamala Harris. So we'll get the
formal introduction tonight at that rally in Philadelphia. But it is,
according to CNN, vice President Kamala Harris made the decision
to make Tim Wallas her running.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Mate, all right, So Zanati's right. They go with a
Tim Kaine kind of mister cella fane that no one
knows enough about to have an opinion. It becomes a
tertiary map play in Minnesota, and I don't know if
Walts can be enough to deliver Minnesota, but it leaves
Pennsylvania for grabs. Your assumption if it's Waltz and CNN
is right, couldn't go with Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Well, Minnesota is going to go blue anyway, So that's
I don't think that's much of a surprise. I think
more this is going to be about personalities. I think
that Senator Fetterman from Pennsylvania may have issued the warning
that's stuck with the VP in that beware Josh Shapiro's
ambition that you know, if he were to be on
(30:31):
the ticket, if he were to become Vice president, that
he wouldn't just be quietly going to funerals in Middle
Eastern countries, that he'd actually be much more of a
vocal player here because of his own political ambitions, and.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Maybe the other warning being Israel. I mean, we have
all you know what breaking out in Chicago. Apparently they're
expecting tens of thousands of protesters. They're wanting bigger routes,
dominate the more people. Boy, that's nineteen sixty eight all
over again. And then if you have a Jewish running mate,
that's going to create divisions within the party. I mean,
(31:07):
all of that, even though the wisest move is Philadelphia.
That was why they had to Pennsylvania. That's why they
had to avoid Shapiro. I would think, right.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean they may have been personal, they may
not have you know, Yeah, I mean there are a
host of reasons why it doesn't work. I mean, I
think the basic electoral math you would have said, oh, well,
Shapiro is your obvious choice. But maybe they didn't get along,
you know, maybe you know, it could be a host
of reasons why the decision was made to go with Walls.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But you know, maybe.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
We'll get some more of a discussion about this. You know,
we're still waiting for that big sit down interview, right
when does Harris sit down and finally talk to a
reporter and give us, you know, some recap of the
past two weeks and how this has all come forward
and what she plans to do with her campaign.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Well, as you know, they hit Joe Biden and won
an election, there might be an attempt to high her
interviews debates. This is where word salads and she only
has two personalities giddy and giggly and then nasty. They're
trying to avoid all of that.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
All right, So these two personalities that have been.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Shown, yeah, or later they're going to be shown again.
What do you make of the wisest decision? I mean,
if you're gonna once you take out Shapiro, doesn't Mark
Kelly make a lot more sense than Walls?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Again?
Speaker 8 (32:28):
I mean, this is a decision about you know, this
is supposed to be your partner in crime here, so
you know, is this someone that you can work with?
And you know it's not all about the electoral math,
it's not necessarily you know, there is You are creating
a partnership, You're a working relationship, and this has to
be someone who can also take your orders. You know,
I'm not sure Mark Kelly is a guy that's going
(32:50):
to sit back and say nothing if he disagrees with
Vice President Harrison.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
All Right, we know that both Vice President Harris and
President and Biden have been briefed on the attack on
our base in Iraq. We know a pending attack from Iran.
We don't know what level. Is it going to be
some kind of proportional retaliation for being embarrassed and taking
out the political leader from Hamas or is this going
to be the beginning of an effort to have a
direct war with Israel. Are we hearing anything on that front?
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Well, you know Israel is still eventually standing by after
the attack that they launched against the Hamas leader in Tehran.
You know that Iran is going to respond in some way.
We're just trying to figure out where and when. You know,
back in that April response that when Iran launched that
attack on Israel, they gave plenty of warning. They said
(33:39):
what date was going to happen, what direction was coming from.
They basically laid out I wanted to help in the defense,
but this if they're not behaving the same way at this.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Time around all right, Rory O'Neil with the breaking news.
CNN is reporting Tim Walls is the choice that is
going to be announced, the governor from Minnesota. He was
a twelve year member of the House of Representatives before
becoming a governor in Minnesota and now about to be
the running mate of Kamala Harris. Great reporting as always,
worry we'll talk again tomorrow.
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