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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Seven minutes after the hour, on this Thursday, August the
fourteenth year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yes, time flies, and tomorrow's.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Friday, although tomorrow I'll look forward to We'll have Friday
with forty seven. We'll have John Decker in Alaska with
the President.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And did I mention.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Roseanne bar right here on this show this hour tomorrow,
big time, not day to say bar. You could just
say Roseanne. Another night under the watchful eye of the
National Guard, the National Guard for our nation's capital. President
Trump says he will not negotiate territorial issues of Vladimir
Putin and no sooner is he added to Alaska for
the first meeting. He's already talking about his second meeting,
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and forecasters are keeping an eye on tropical storm Air
him she will be a hurricane tomorrow at some time.
We don't think at this point and trajectory, she's a
threat to the United States. And we got our CPI
Consumer Price Index numbers yesterday much lower than expected.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
The market sword most.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
People think, now, well, how do you not do an
interest rate cut now?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And so the market kind of react to that. Today
is the PPI.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So remember, the first is what these tariffs might be
costing us, and it doesn't seem to be showing up.
And now we find out what it's costing businesses. So
that'll be coming out in about twenty five minutes. Our
economist to Money with David Bonson is joining us as
he does every week. This is probably a good teachable
moment on CPI and PPI because my gott tells me
it's a little early to gauge all of the tariff
(01:59):
stuff yet is it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well? Certainly in terms of what price impact is, we
don't fully know because they're just getting started and it's
a real mix, it's a real mixed bag thus far too.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You see certain things where.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Where prices have moved up that we're cariifft and these
there are certain things where they haven't. And you know,
I act you're going to see more of this though
of just people talking about it. I continue to believe
that's the big conversation everyone wants to have about the
care offs is where prices move up or where they don't.
And I'm way past that. And it was the subject
of my divinging cafe two weeks ago that we really
(02:38):
right now are explicitly saying over and over don't worry
if about un prices because companies are going to absorb it.
And I have become totally mystified that this is our
new line, that we don't have worry about inflation because
we're just going to decline corporate profits instead.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, Arizona what is it? Arizona Iced Tea the company.
They're in the news and basically you know, the CEO saying, hey, look,
we're doing everything we can to absorb what we can,
but no, there's going to be a thirty cent increase.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Because of that concern you the most.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
My point is that if the company one hundred percent
of them did absorb one hundred percent of it. Then
we are dealing with the dumbest society and history that
we think that we think that's a good thing. Do
you think that companies that are now going to have
that kind of a hit to profits are going to
be hiring new people? Are they going to be increasing
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wages to their wage journers. Are they going to be
investing in new factories and technology and and R and
D and innovation. So this idea that profits are are
going to go down and that'll be okay is a
really odd thing, and it becomes far odd or when
it's people on the right saying.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It, Well, you talk about how dumb the public would
have to be. Sometimes when I like, yesterday saw the
market soar and I'm like, well, first of all, you
and I talked about when they didn't raise lower the
interest rates, how they signaled they're going to maybe even
three times and probably should I mean, I don't think
(04:24):
it should be zero, but we've guestimated it should be
two and a half three percent. So we all know
what's coming. And usually this stuff is built into the market.
So why when you get the CPI numbers as the
market surge up for something that you would think would
have been built in and already known.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, the part that wasn't built in was this idea
of a fifty basis point rate cut in September. So
the markets had pretty well priced in the idea of
a quarter point cut, but now there is the odds
of increased of a half point. And it was the
CPI number wasn't not much lower than anyone effected it
(05:01):
zero point one percent below expectation. It's still running at
two point seven percent year over year. It's just that
it wasn't higher, which would have been the excuse that
Jay how would have had to not do something. And
I think that markets were saying, Okay, not only are
we going to get the rate cut, we might get
it supercharged. And that's what markets are responding to.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
David Bonson's with a Bonson Financial Group. He also writes
the Dividend Cafe. That's every Friday, it's released. Dividendcafe dot
Comedy joins us on Thursdays. So walk us through what
concerns you the most, And I'll start with mine, which
is Presidents said it to Alaska to talk to Vladimir Putin.
If Putin doesn't start embracing ending this war with Ukraine,
(05:47):
well the President's going to really tighten the screws on him.
And we're not just talking about very stiff sanctions, and
there will be, but he's also threatening anybody that does
business with Russia to isolate them. He's already raised tariffs
on India because they bought oil, but so does Turkey,
so does China by the bolt loads. And you don't
have a tariff deal yet with China. And if the
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President can't get a deal with Putin, and I suspect
Putin knows this vulnerability and he tries to go in force.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know that's why he did a nine day extension
for China.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But if we get all these tariff deals done but
not China, that's a big.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Deal, right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, But we're going to get a deal with China done.
It's just a matter of what is going to be
in it. And there's, you know, all those different moving
parts about what they're doing with Russia. The semiconductor side,
the rare minerals is going to be a big part
of it. The currency has not ever been discussed in
the media at all, and I continue to believe the
Secretary of descent has, you know, his thoughts on how
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he wants to get China to agree to certain exchange
rate issues and currency. So the China thing has been
delayed four times because it is much more complicated. It's
funny a lot of people try to criticize the president
like there he goes chickening out again when he's extending it.
But I actually just think, why don't we give him
(07:09):
the credit for doing the right thing, because it would
be ridiculous if.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
He didn't extend it.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You can't get a deal that complicated done in ninety days.
I don't know why he says he can, but the
fact that he at least realizes he can't is a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, So what concerns you moving forward with the tariffs?
I know, tariffs in general are attacks, and you know
it gets passed down ultimately the consumer there is, you know,
the other aspects and narratives coming from the president.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I've got investments.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I've got revenue, of course, that assumes that it will always
be spent right and that another party might not be
in power years from now and absorb that and spent
it differently. Now you're paying for all the tariffs and prices,
and they're redistributing wealth now that they're in control. So,
but what concerns you the most? What are the market
people missing the most? Caught in the matrix of narratives, the.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Biggest thing being missed is the part you didn't just say.
When we talk about revenue, when we talk about the
assumption that they're going to spend it the right way,
all of it is still coming down to the fact
that it is coming out of the private sector. That
no matter what, when people refer to the government receiving
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money from small businesses and from big businesses, and now
the government has more money, and they say that is
a good thing, I feel like I'm listening to Bernie Sanders.
I can't I can't believe it's Republicans saying this stuff.
It is blowing my mind. This is not an investment
in America. It is money being extracted from the private
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sector to go to the public sector. And so the
price impact is first of all, one of two things.
And you can pick which one is worse, because by
the way, it's not either or it's both. And you
know there's some companies that will pass it on to
consume and other companies that can't because they can't afford
(09:04):
to lose the market share, so they have to absorb it.
And so you either have higher prices or declining profits.
It's one or the other, and both of them are
anti growth.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And declining profits can often equal declining opportunities and expansion
and growth.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
By definition, by definition, because defining profits means companies now
have less money to invest in what we call the
factors of production. They have less money to put into labor, capital, investment, and.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Growth opportunities.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And so it is a terrible thing to talk about
declining profits as if that would be a good solution.
It's a Marxian idea, all right, Red, And I've been
wanting to ask you this for a week. So the
president's kicking around these ideas on four to one case
and including crypto and private assets.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
How is that different than what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Well, just in four oh and k plans right now,
they're subject to what's called the Arissa Rule, which was
passed in nineteen seventy four, and so the companies are
legally responsible for the investments that are inside the four
oh and K, and so if an employee e has
a list of options from their employer, and then something
(10:23):
blows up, they can.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sue their employer.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So the employers have to stick to more traditional things
and have a process and have low fees and do
all these things that a fiduciary would do, and if
it includes stuff like crypto, and then the employee turns
around ensues when crypto.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Inevitably blows up.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A lot of employers are afraid of it, so they're
looking to the White House to give them kind of
a good housekeeping seal of approval.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is this a good thing, bad thing, anything, just.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The buyer beware thing. Well, see, nobody's gonna like what
I have to say. But I don't care if people's
stuff blows up, as long as they choose for it
to blow up. In other words, I'm all for people
risk takers making money and losing money. What I'm not
for is a risk taker losing money and suing their employer.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Tomorrow at the dividend cafe, what's the.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Topic this is?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think that just the second time now that you've
asked me that I still don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Normally by Thursday.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I have my topic picked, but I've had like five
different topics this week. I'm bouncing around, so you're let's
put it this way. I'm going to know the answer
to your question in about an hour. But even I
don't know right now.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think this CPI PPI might be a teachable moment
that everybody might appreciate, and we'll have the PPI number
by that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know, just a suggestion, but I'm sure you
got something.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We'll we'll have the PPI number in fourteen minutes. We're
waiting with baited breast.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
What are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
By the way, there's no reason for me to answer,
because I would be making up the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, a dividendcafe dot com. You'll find out what he
wrote tomorrow. Will I'll talk to you again next Thursday. David,
I love you, my brother. God bless you have a
great rest of the week.
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President Trump says his virtual meeting with the Ukrainian President
Zelenski was a perfect ten.
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Mark Miefield has details.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
The President said, that's how he'd rate the call that
also included Vice President Advance and European allies.
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We had a very good call. He was on the call.
President Zelenski was on the call.
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The call came prior to submit with Vladimir Putin on
Friday in Alaska. Trump again said the Ukraine Russian war
is not his, it belongs to former President Biden, but
sent he'll in post severe penalties on Russia if Putin
won't agree to a deal. Zelenski has said that Ukraine
won't give up any territory to Russia and will not
give up trying to gain NATO membership. Russia has demanded
Ukraine give up land to reach a deal to end
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I'm Mark Neephew.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, the President hasn't even met with Putin in Alaska.
That's tomorrow, and he's already talking about a second.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Meeting, a meeting in which he suggested that both President
Putin and President Zelensky would be there. Trump said, I
don't have to be there, but if they want me
to be there, I will be.
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That's White House correspondent John Decker from Your Morning show.
Decker's at the site of the summit in Anchorage. She'll
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He says, there's a lot of major hurdles before Ukraine
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Speaker 6 (14:49):
Say hang up the phone, and the president feels good
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President Trump doesn't sound optimistic about reaching a congressional budget deal.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
On Wednesday, Trump was asked if he'll meet with Democratic leaders.
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Well, I will, I guess, but it's almost a waste
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Speaker 1 (18:07):
Boy, we nailed this one, didn't we.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And you know, maybe we're just hanging out with Bonson
so much that we're getting smart.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It seems way too early for the CPI to be
showing a higher cost of living from tariffs because they
were all on temporary and the deals weren't done and
then in July some of the deals started getting done.
So what happened was the CPI consumer price index was lower.
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The PPI, which is the impact on businesses, was much
higher than expected. Expected to be point two in July,
it ended up being point nine. Rory O'Neil is here.
You warned us yesterday, Rory that this is a two
edge coin and the other half has yet to drop.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, guess what it just dropped now what?
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Right?
Speaker 11 (18:54):
So remember the PPI number that you're talking about, that's
the producer pricing in next, that's the cost of making something.
The consumer price index that we got two days ago,
that's the cost when it's sold on the shelf. So
you see tariff sort of come into the PPI first
as stuff is made and that's where it's first impacted,
and then ultimately it's expected to seep down to the CPI.
(19:16):
So right now, we did see that hotter than expected
PPI number. The markets are off, not crazy off, but
let's wait and see. We literally got this five minutes
and twenty seconds ago, so we did.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Sorry, I scooped you this w you already knew, but
I well, yeah, because you know you're a noad all
I can throw these things.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
This is even what we plan to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But we saw the story of Arizona, te and you know,
and that CEO saying, look, it's gonna be it's gonna
go up at least thirty cents. I mean, we're trying
to eat everything we can, but just the cost of
aluminum alone is driving it up. So yeah, I mean
it just made sense that they're gonna feel it first,
then we're gonna feel it. But the interesting part, and
I just had this conversation with our money was David,
(20:00):
and I'm like, come on, why did the market surge
over the CPI knowing you don't have the PPI yet
and knowing it's too early to gauge this anyway, wouldn't
this all be built in? So now the question becomes, Okay,
CPI was lower than expected, PPI was higher than expected.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now what comes of interest rates?
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
And I yeah, I'm not sure it's going to be
too influential. I think the jobless claim numbers that also
came out a couple of minutes ago were also pretty good.
The initial jobless claims for the week, what two hundred
and fifty thousand ish or two thirty three. I can't
remember the number in my head, but it's around that figure.
So it's not terrible. And remember the Fed has that
dual mandate. They have to do two things, keep inflation
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at two percent and maximize employment. So we're still looking
good on the employment side of that equation. It's this
inflation side that's a little bit more questionable.
Speaker 12 (20:49):
You know.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
That may tone down some of that rhetoric about three
rate cuts this year.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm right, well, I think we'd all be happy with two. Two.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'll take two. I'll take any right now. All right,
So the president is is it even in Alaska? Our
very own John Decker White House correspondent for your morning
show will be in Alaska with him and we'll get
reports tomorrow. But the President is not even there yet.
And we have these two stories. One he is not
going to be negotiating territorial issues. That addresses a lot
of what we talked about yesterday. And he's already talking
about a second meeting between Zelinski and Putin.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And I'll come if you need me.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right we haven't even had the first year comes the second.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Now, the other red flag quite literally comes from the
Russian side of things in that the Soviet side in
that there are concerns now that Putin put out a
statement a short time ago saying that he praised the
quote energetic efforts of the US to stop the war
in Ukraine. But now he's talking about a larger nuclear
arms deal with the US and trying to redo the
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New Start Treaty and get its extension.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, it expires in February of next year. So
is this another effort to slow roll this?
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Remember President Putin has had what four or five meetings
with Seve Witkoff, the President's envoy. You know, Ukraine has
been willing to step up to the ceasefire table for
a while now, but it seems that Putin wants to
keep dragging this out. As the Russian military has been
launching this summer offensive which had been dragging on but
really started to gain steam these past couple of weeks
(22:16):
and find some success.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Your Morning show correspondent Roory O'Neil, you know we talked
about this. I think it was me and you. It
may have been me and Decker, But you know, what's
Putin's play? What is he gonna ask for? Is he
gonna ask for territory. Is he going to ask for it?
And then now this, and then the most suspicious tell
was he has a meeting with Kim Jong un before
this meeting with Trump and Alaska. As if I'm with
(22:39):
you to get from k how can I have a
good meeting that the President leaves and feels great about.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But I can go on fighting or you know what
I mean? It is it does feel.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Like a kick the can play is coming more than anything,
in which case I guess the President is going to
know within two.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
Minutes, right, and then if that sets up that second
meeting that the President has talked about. You know, the
message that President Zelensky gave to President Trump yesterday when
they had that video call with all the leaders was
to say, don't trust Putin. Whatever you do, don't trust Putin.
That's what Zelensky wanted to convey to President Trump ahead
of this meeting. Everyone else across the board is saying,
(23:15):
you know, don't make any deals, don't give away the store.
Just get to a ceasefire. That would be considered a
huge victory. But you've got Europe and Ukraine at the
kiddie table, with Putin and Trump sitting at the grown
up table, and a lot of folks are feeling left.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Out right now, well before the president even arrives, he's
made a crystal clear I will not be negotiating territory issues.
That was for Zelensky's sake and for the European nations
in NATO, and I think he made that pretty crystal clear.
And then the second meeting, he's not even necessarily going
to be there unless they ask him to be.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, see, I don't know what could possibly move the needle,
I really can. I don't have a good sense of it.
I don't know that you do or anybody else does.
This is one we just need to ask to play
out in reality before we can understand it.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
And I think if it reinforces the take that remember,
Russia is the aggressor here, Ukraine did nothing wrong. You know,
they're the victim in this, and you know, I think
if that mindset returns, President Trump's approach to dealing with
Putin would be very different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Royal Neil great reporting as always, We'll talk again tomorrow,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Netflix has a hit series, My Wife.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This began with you know, copycat the movie, and then
you know, we get into forty eight hours in Dateline
and all those shows, forensic files, you know, some of them,
I'm indue, some of them, I'm not. This one I
get exposed to with Andrea watching it. But I am
excited about this one because I loved the movie Summer
of Sam, because I was fascinating that this one serial
(24:48):
killer could bring a city of this size to its
knees the way it did.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It was just a perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So they're doing their award winning hit series Conversations with
a Killer, and coming up in EPISOD four is going
to be the Son of Sam Tapes.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Why revisit this case nearly fifty years later.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, there can't possibly be anything we don't know, right,
No lots of new developments, even an arrest or, even
a charge and a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To a murder.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And we face a health crisis, a mental health crisis
today that we can learn from these cases. So I'm
thrilled to introduce you to the director of the Son
of Sam Tapes, Joe Berlinger, who's joining us. Good morning, Joe,
appreciate you being here with your morning show audience.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Nice to be with you. How are you doing. I'm
doing terrific.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know, my wife is obviously fascinated with all things.
I've started with the movie Copycat and then her fascination,
and I've gone along the journey with her. Spike Lee
did the movie Summer of Sam that covers this, as
Spike Lee and Hollywood would, but you the documentary. This
is important because for a lot of people to think, well,
what don't we know about Berkowitz, A lot has come
(25:59):
up right.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, first of all, you know, I do these shows
for Netflix, and Netflix has a huge, global, youthful audience,
so you know, I try to do the show both
for people who believe it or not have never heard
of this shows with large part of the audience, and
then for those who do. I want to make it
the definitive kind of telling. And there's some new information
(26:23):
in this show.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
We have new tapes.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
That have emerged that really provide an incredible insight into
the mind of the killer, you know, around the time
of the commission of the crimes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
These were recorded in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
And also there's a new victim of Son of Sam,
a surviving victim that's been the NYPD has finally closed
a case that's been open for you know, almost fifty years,
and it's been determined that Berkowitz is this. This would
have been his first attempted murder, his first shooting.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
New York City at its lowest point ever, oh my god,
one of its hottest. But I think what really sets
this apart, Joe, and I know it comes out in
the documentary. One man was able because they knew they
were having problems with police, they knew they were having
problems with crime. But one man brought the whole city
to its knees. That's what made this different.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Absolutely, it's fascinating, and for me, that's one of the
reasons I wanted to tell the story again for a
new audience, is that, to me, this is one of
the foundational cases and why we're obsessed with true crime
because no other serial killer baited the press and held
a city of seven million people in total fear and
(27:36):
used the press to do that. And so I think
one of the reasons we're obsessed with true crime today
you can trace all the way back to this case
and how the media was very willing to play along
with the serial killer, and the serial killer, you know,
brilliantly manipulated the press job.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Berlinger's join us. He's a director of conversations with the killer.
Almost fifty years later, the son of Sam tapes that
we have some new audio with your conversations with Berkowitz.
We have new information and new victim as you mentioned.
But I want to cut to the chase that you're
talking about, which is not evil, and bring up the demon.
I lean towards evil. He would tell you wild imagination,
(28:17):
which I think is bizarre.
Speaker 10 (28:18):
He was being instructed to kill by a six thousand
year old demon who was speaking to him through his
neighbor's doll. You know, he has flip flopped and told
many stories over the years as he continues to seek attention.
You know. In the tapes, what's so revealing is he
(28:41):
said he actually staged his apartment the week before the
arrests and made his apartment look like that of a madman.
He acknowledges that the six thousand year old demon was
just a ruse to make him look crazy. So I
think he was you know, evil is a hard word
to use. I mean, I think he was a deeply
(29:01):
I mean, what he did was evil, you know, but
I think he was just a deeply disturbed, troubled, alienated person.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You hit the nail right on the head. This is
Berkowitz as we look back seeing his apartment, whether he
did it after the factor, before the fact, telling his stories,
whether that was mental illness or he would say wild
imagination or hearing from the dog by way of a demon.
But the truth of the matter is he's walking all
around New York, involved in people's life and nobody's noticing. So,
(29:34):
you know, you bring up finding it's important to explore
these stories so that we can see these clues, especially
in this day of everybody isolated on social media with
mental illness, loneliness and looking for some kind of an
identity without human connection. But I mean, he was in
plain sight interacting with people and nobody had a clue.
So can we look back at that and learn something?
Was he giving clues? We just did not I look
(29:55):
for him? And how did you connect those dots? As
a final question, well.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
It's you know, doing thirty years of crime. The thing
that always stands out to me that people don't seem
to fully appreciate is that the people who do evil
in this world are usually the people you least expect
and most often trust. Whether it's a priest who commits pedophilia.
I mean, what a violation of trust, or a high
(30:19):
school coach who does bad things or Bernie Madoff. I
did a show about Bernie Madoff resents himself as being
like your favorite uncle, and yet he's plucking every penny
from every widow he can meet.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Epstein Epstein exactly.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
So, you know, we want to think that serial killers
look and act evil all the time because it gives
us this false sense of comfort that we can somehow
avoid their fate.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And the reason I like to tell these stories.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
And remind the younger generation is that just because somebody
looks trustworthy doesn't mean you should just implicitly give them
your trust, because it is you know, Bundy amously, you know,
encourage young women to you know, he'd walk into a
library at the University of Washington with a fake cast
and a stack of books, and he'd ask a young girl, hey,
(31:09):
can you help me bring these books to my car,
and then he would kill the girl. So it's it's
you know, serial killers often are regular people who walk
amongst us, which is, you know, not the most reassuring
thing to say. And it's why I say, like, you know,
your people really need to earn your trust before you
should be alone with somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Conversations with the Killer huge series for Netflix. As I
mentioned at the beginning of the interview, I see it
by way of my wife, and they're very well done
and they're fascinating and the latest and to be the
fourth installment, the Son of Sam tape. She did a
trafic job with this, and I think fifty years later,
it's important and the new information is certainly very compelling
for people that followed it when it happened. Thank you
(31:52):
so much for your work, and thank you so much
for joining us. Thank you, I appreciate it. That's Joe Berlinger,
who is the director of the Son of Sam Tapes.
It's episode four of the Netflix hit series Conversations with
a Killer. By the way, there's a longer conversation that
we had with Joe, probably about fifteen minutes. The reason
we had to kind of do this one for air.
You could ask Joe a question and then you could
(32:14):
go run five errands.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Before he's done.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But it's full of information, so if you were frustrated
and wanted to hear more, Jeffery's putting it on the
website for you a little bit later on today.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
It's your morning show with Michael Del Johno.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So Big John has to chime in on this one.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Nineteen eighty son of Sam, growing up on Staten Island.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
We're all twenty years old, going to Brooklyn clubs. He
kept us on our toes. Believe he kept us on
our toes.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I just tried to picture Big John in the clubs.
The movie Summer of Sam Mira Sorbino, you know, it
gets a little bit into a personal relate. I mean,
they're telling the story through about five lives, but it
does cap. Look, it was terribly hot that summer. The
city was in complete disarray, police, you know, drama going on,
(33:11):
and then here comes this killer and everybody was suspicious
of everybody and concerned about their lives. The Netflix series
You'll want to catch the Sun of Sam tapes. All right,
it's fifty five minutes after the hour. Here's another victory.
I know this is like dejavo, but activist judges try
to stop the president from doing what is within his
(33:32):
constitutional authority until the Supreme Court slapped him down.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It happened again, this time with foreign eight.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
President Trump's administration was handed to victory when the Appeals
Court lifted an injunction that required the State Department to
continue making foreign aid payments. A three judge panel ruled
two to one against the lower court's order. Now the
Trump administration restore foreign assistance payments previously approved by Congress.
The ruling can open a pathway for the Trump administration
to cut billions of dollars in foreign assistance funds and
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Mark mayfewer.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
President Trump's already talking about a second meeting with Putin.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
A meeting in which he suggested that both President Putin
and President Zelensky would be there. Trump said, I don't
have to be there, but if they want me to
be there, I will be.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's White House correspondent John Decker. He will be there
tomorrow in Anchorage, reporting live right here on your morning show.
And there's lots of hurdles to overcome. The biggest is trust.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
They hang up the phone and the President feels good
about the conversation, and then hours later he's bombing a
nursing home in Ukraine. He's killing or injuring civilians in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The percentage of American adults who say they consume alcohol
is reaching a record low.
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Gummies. One of the things that we inhale the vapes. Yeah,
vaping might have has something to do with that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We're finding other ways to get high, but alcohol consumption
is down.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
According to a recent gallipol only fifty four percent of
respondents has said they consume alcohol, and the low metric
was repeated across several demographics, including gender, race, and age.
Polling also found that adults age thirty five and older
were more likely to drink than their younger counterparts, and
more men reportedly drank alcohol than women. The poll's findings
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Seven minutes after the hour, on this Thursday, August the
fourteenth year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yes, time flies, and tomorrow's.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Friday, although tomorrow I'll look forward to We'll have Friday
with forty seven. We'll have John Decker in Alaska with
the President.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And did I mention.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Roseanne bar right here on this show this hour tomorrow,
big time, not day to say bar. You could just
say Roseanne. Another night under the watchful eye of the
National Guard, the National Guard for our nation's capital. President
Trump says he will not negotiate territorial issues of Vladimir
Putin and no sooner is he added to Alaska for
the first meeting. He's already talking about his second meeting,
(01:09):
and forecasters are keeping an eye on tropical storm Air
him she will be a hurricane tomorrow at some time.
We don't think at this point and trajectory, she's a
threat to the United States. And we got our CPI
Consumer Price Index numbers yesterday much lower than expected.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
The market sword most.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
People think, now, well, how do you not do an
interest rate cut now?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And so the market kind of react to that. Today
is the PPI.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So remember, the first is what these tariffs might be
costing us, and it doesn't seem to be showing up.
And now we find out what it's costing businesses. So
that'll be coming out in about twenty five minutes. Our
economist to Money with David Bonson is joining us as
he does every week. This is probably a good teachable
moment on CPI and PPI because my gott tells me
it's a little early to gauge all of the tariff
(01:59):
stuff yet is it.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well? Certainly in terms of what price impact is, we
don't fully know because they're just getting started and it's
a real mix, it's a real mixed bag thus far too.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You see certain things where.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Where prices have moved up that we're cariifft and these
there are certain things where they haven't. And you know,
I act you're going to see more of this though
of just people talking about it. I continue to believe
that's the big conversation everyone wants to have about the
care offs is where prices move up or where they don't.
And I'm way past that. And it was the subject
of my divinging cafe two weeks ago that we really
(02:38):
right now are explicitly saying over and over don't worry
if about un prices because companies are going to absorb it.
And I have become totally mystified that this is our
new line, that we don't have worry about inflation because
we're just going to decline corporate profits instead.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, Arizona what is it? Arizona Iced Tea the company.
They're in the news and basically you know, the CEO saying, hey, look,
we're doing everything we can to absorb what we can,
but no, there's going to be a thirty cent increase.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Because of that concern you the most.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
My point is that if the company one hundred percent
of them did absorb one hundred percent of it. Then
we are dealing with the dumbest society and history that
we think that we think that's a good thing. Do
you think that companies that are now going to have
that kind of a hit to profits are going to
be hiring new people? Are they going to be increasing
(03:40):
wages to their wage journers. Are they going to be
investing in new factories and technology and and R and
D and innovation. So this idea that profits are are
going to go down and that'll be okay is a
really odd thing, and it becomes far odd or when
it's people on the right saying.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It, Well, you talk about how dumb the public would
have to be. Sometimes when I like, yesterday saw the
market soar and I'm like, well, first of all, you
and I talked about when they didn't raise lower the
interest rates, how they signaled they're going to maybe even
three times and probably should I mean, I don't think
(04:24):
it should be zero, but we've guestimated it should be
two and a half three percent. So we all know
what's coming. And usually this stuff is built into the market.
So why when you get the CPI numbers as the
market surge up for something that you would think would
have been built in and already known.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, the part that wasn't built in was this idea
of a fifty basis point rate cut in September. So
the markets had pretty well priced in the idea of
a quarter point cut, but now there is the odds
of increased of a half point. And it was the
CPI number wasn't not much lower than anyone effected it
(05:01):
zero point one percent below expectation. It's still running at
two point seven percent year over year. It's just that
it wasn't higher, which would have been the excuse that
Jay how would have had to not do something. And
I think that markets were saying, Okay, not only are
we going to get the rate cut, we might get
it supercharged. And that's what markets are responding to.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
David Bonson's with a Bonson Financial Group. He also writes
the Dividend Cafe. That's every Friday, it's released. Dividendcafe dot
Comedy joins us on Thursdays. So walk us through what
concerns you the most, And I'll start with mine, which
is Presidents said it to Alaska to talk to Vladimir Putin.
If Putin doesn't start embracing ending this war with Ukraine,
(05:47):
well the President's going to really tighten the screws on him.
And we're not just talking about very stiff sanctions, and
there will be, but he's also threatening anybody that does
business with Russia to isolate them. He's already raised tariffs
on India because they bought oil, but so does Turkey,
so does China by the bolt loads. And you don't
have a tariff deal yet with China. And if the
(06:10):
President can't get a deal with Putin, and I suspect
Putin knows this vulnerability and he tries to go in force.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I know that's why he did a nine day extension
for China.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But if we get all these tariff deals done but
not China, that's a big.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Deal, right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, But we're going to get a deal with China done.
It's just a matter of what is going to be
in it. And there's, you know, all those different moving
parts about what they're doing with Russia. The semiconductor side,
the rare minerals is going to be a big part
of it. The currency has not ever been discussed in
the media at all, and I continue to believe the
Secretary of descent has, you know, his thoughts on how
(06:49):
he wants to get China to agree to certain exchange
rate issues and currency. So the China thing has been
delayed four times because it is much more complicated. It's
funny a lot of people try to criticize the president
like there he goes chickening out again when he's extending it.
But I actually just think, why don't we give him
(07:09):
the credit for doing the right thing, because it would
be ridiculous if.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
He didn't extend it.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You can't get a deal that complicated done in ninety days.
I don't know why he says he can, but the
fact that he at least realizes he can't is a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, So what concerns you moving forward with the tariffs?
I know, tariffs in general are attacks, and you know
it gets passed down ultimately the consumer there is, you know,
the other aspects and narratives coming from the president.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I've got investments.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I've got revenue, of course, that assumes that it will always
be spent right and that another party might not be
in power years from now and absorb that and spent
it differently. Now you're paying for all the tariffs and prices,
and they're redistributing wealth now that they're in control. So,
but what concerns you the most? What are the market
people missing the most? Caught in the matrix of narratives, the.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Biggest thing being missed is the part you didn't just say.
When we talk about revenue, when we talk about the
assumption that they're going to spend it the right way,
all of it is still coming down to the fact
that it is coming out of the private sector. That
no matter what, when people refer to the government receiving
(08:20):
money from small businesses and from big businesses, and now
the government has more money, and they say that is
a good thing, I feel like I'm listening to Bernie Sanders.
I can't I can't believe it's Republicans saying this stuff.
It is blowing my mind. This is not an investment
in America. It is money being extracted from the private
(08:44):
sector to go to the public sector. And so the
price impact is first of all, one of two things.
And you can pick which one is worse, because by
the way, it's not either or it's both. And you
know there's some companies that will pass it on to
consume and other companies that can't because they can't afford
(09:04):
to lose the market share, so they have to absorb it.
And so you either have higher prices or declining profits.
It's one or the other, and both of them are
anti growth.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And declining profits can often equal declining opportunities and expansion
and growth.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
By definition, by definition, because defining profits means companies now
have less money to invest in what we call the
factors of production. They have less money to put into labor, capital, investment, and.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Growth opportunities.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And so it is a terrible thing to talk about
declining profits as if that would be a good solution.
It's a Marxian idea, all right, Red, And I've been
wanting to ask you this for a week. So the
president's kicking around these ideas on four to one case
and including crypto and private assets.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
How is that different than what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Well, just in four oh and k plans right now,
they're subject to what's called the Arissa Rule, which was
passed in nineteen seventy four, and so the companies are
legally responsible for the investments that are inside the four
oh and K, and so if an employee e has
a list of options from their employer, and then something
(10:23):
blows up, they can.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sue their employer.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
So the employers have to stick to more traditional things
and have a process and have low fees and do
all these things that a fiduciary would do, and if
it includes stuff like crypto, and then the employee turns
around ensues when crypto.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Inevitably blows up.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
A lot of employers are afraid of it, so they're
looking to the White House to give them kind of
a good housekeeping seal of approval.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Is this a good thing, bad thing, anything, just.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
The buyer beware thing. Well, see, nobody's gonna like what
I have to say. But I don't care if people's
stuff blows up, as long as they choose for it
to blow up. In other words, I'm all for people
risk takers making money and losing money. What I'm not
for is a risk taker losing money and suing their employer.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Tomorrow at the dividend cafe, what's the.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Topic this is?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think that just the second time now that you've
asked me that I still don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Normally by Thursday.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I have my topic picked, but I've had like five
different topics this week. I'm bouncing around, so you're let's
put it this way. I'm going to know the answer
to your question in about an hour. But even I
don't know right now.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think this CPI PPI might be a teachable moment
that everybody might appreciate, and we'll have the PPI number
by that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't know, just a suggestion, but I'm sure you
got something.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We'll we'll have the PPI number in fourteen minutes. We're
waiting with baited breast.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
What are you expecting?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
By the way, there's no reason for me to answer,
because I would be making up the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, a dividendcafe dot com. You'll find out what he
wrote tomorrow. Will I'll talk to you again next Thursday. David,
I love you, my brother. God bless you have a
great rest of the week.
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I blessed.
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President Trump says his virtual meeting with the Ukrainian President
Zelenski was a perfect ten.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Mark Miefield has details.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
The President said, that's how he'd rate the call that
also included Vice President Advance and European allies.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We had a very good call. He was on the call.
President Zelenski was on the call.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
The call came prior to submit with Vladimir Putin on
Friday in Alaska. Trump again said the Ukraine Russian war
is not his, it belongs to former President Biden, but
sent he'll in post severe penalties on Russia if Putin
won't agree to a deal. Zelenski has said that Ukraine
won't give up any territory to Russia and will not
give up trying to gain NATO membership. Russia has demanded
Ukraine give up land to reach a deal to end
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the war.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm Mark Neephew.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, the President hasn't even met with Putin in Alaska.
That's tomorrow, and he's already talking about a second.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Meeting, a meeting in which he suggested that both President
Putin and President Zelensky would be there. Trump said, I
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Say hang up the phone, and the president feels good
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Rock and Roll Hall of Famers, Kiss, country music guy
con George Straight and actor Sylvester Stallone, along with Gloria
Gaynor and Michael Crawford, all the honorees. By the way,
I had a listener call up and ask if I'm
leaving out John Voyd. I cannot find John Voyd on
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I don't think he's on it, but I pray so.
I love him and he's a great patriot, and he
certainly deserves to be on the list for his body
of work, but I don't have him on the current list.
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Not only who the nominees are, but that he will
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Speaker 1 (18:07):
Boy, we nailed this one, didn't we.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And you know, maybe we're just hanging out with Bonson
so much that we're getting smart.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It seems way too early for the CPI to be
showing a higher cost of living from tariffs because they
were all on temporary and the deals weren't done and
then in July some of the deals started getting done.
So what happened was the CPI consumer price index was lower.
(18:35):
The PPI, which is the impact on businesses, was much
higher than expected. Expected to be point two in July,
it ended up being point nine. Rory O'Neil is here.
You warned us yesterday, Rory that this is a two
edge coin and the other half has yet to drop.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, guess what it just dropped now what?
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Right?
Speaker 11 (18:54):
So remember the PPI number that you're talking about, that's
the producer pricing in next, that's the cost of making something.
The consumer price index that we got two days ago,
that's the cost when it's sold on the shelf. So
you see tariff sort of come into the PPI first
as stuff is made and that's where it's first impacted,
and then ultimately it's expected to seep down to the CPI.
(19:16):
So right now, we did see that hotter than expected
PPI number. The markets are off, not crazy off, but
let's wait and see. We literally got this five minutes
and twenty seconds ago, so we did.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Sorry, I scooped you this w you already knew, but
I well, yeah, because you know you're a noad all
I can throw these things.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
This is even what we plan to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But we saw the story of Arizona, te and you know,
and that CEO saying, look, it's gonna be it's gonna
go up at least thirty cents. I mean, we're trying
to eat everything we can, but just the cost of
aluminum alone is driving it up. So yeah, I mean
it just made sense that they're gonna feel it first,
then we're gonna feel it. But the interesting part, and
I just had this conversation with our money was David,
(20:00):
and I'm like, come on, why did the market surge
over the CPI knowing you don't have the PPI yet
and knowing it's too early to gauge this anyway, wouldn't
this all be built in? So now the question becomes, Okay,
CPI was lower than expected, PPI was higher than expected.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Now what comes of interest rates?
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
And I yeah, I'm not sure it's going to be
too influential. I think the jobless claim numbers that also
came out a couple of minutes ago were also pretty good.
The initial jobless claims for the week, what two hundred
and fifty thousand ish or two thirty three. I can't
remember the number in my head, but it's around that figure.
So it's not terrible. And remember the Fed has that
dual mandate. They have to do two things, keep inflation
(20:40):
at two percent and maximize employment. So we're still looking
good on the employment side of that equation. It's this
inflation side that's a little bit more questionable.
Speaker 12 (20:49):
You know.
Speaker 11 (20:49):
That may tone down some of that rhetoric about three
rate cuts this year.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm right, well, I think we'd all be happy with two. Two.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'll take two. I'll take any right now. All right,
So the president is is it even in Alaska? Our
very own John Decker White House correspondent for your morning
show will be in Alaska with him and we'll get
reports tomorrow. But the President is not even there yet.
And we have these two stories. One he is not
going to be negotiating territorial issues. That addresses a lot
of what we talked about yesterday. And he's already talking
about a second meeting between Zelinski and Putin.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And I'll come if you need me.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right we haven't even had the first year comes the second.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
Now, the other red flag quite literally comes from the
Russian side of things in that the Soviet side in
that there are concerns now that Putin put out a
statement a short time ago saying that he praised the
quote energetic efforts of the US to stop the war
in Ukraine. But now he's talking about a larger nuclear
arms deal with the US and trying to redo the
(21:47):
New Start Treaty and get its extension.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You know, it expires in February of next year. So
is this another effort to slow roll this?
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Remember President Putin has had what four or five meetings
with Seve Witkoff, the President's envoy. You know, Ukraine has
been willing to step up to the ceasefire table for
a while now, but it seems that Putin wants to
keep dragging this out. As the Russian military has been
launching this summer offensive which had been dragging on but
really started to gain steam these past couple of weeks
(22:16):
and find some success.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Your Morning show correspondent Roory O'Neil, you know we talked
about this. I think it was me and you. It
may have been me and Decker, But you know, what's
Putin's play? What is he gonna ask for? Is he
gonna ask for territory. Is he going to ask for it?
And then now this, and then the most suspicious tell
was he has a meeting with Kim Jong un before
this meeting with Trump and Alaska. As if I'm with
(22:39):
you to get from k how can I have a
good meeting that the President leaves and feels great about.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But I can go on fighting or you know what
I mean? It is it does feel.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Like a kick the can play is coming more than anything,
in which case I guess the President is going to
know within two.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
Minutes, right, and then if that sets up that second
meeting that the President has talked about. You know, the
message that President Zelensky gave to President Trump yesterday when
they had that video call with all the leaders was
to say, don't trust Putin. Whatever you do, don't trust Putin.
That's what Zelensky wanted to convey to President Trump ahead
of this meeting. Everyone else across the board is saying,
(23:15):
you know, don't make any deals, don't give away the store.
Just get to a ceasefire. That would be considered a
huge victory. But you've got Europe and Ukraine at the
kiddie table, with Putin and Trump sitting at the grown
up table, and a lot of folks are feeling left.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Out right now, well before the president even arrives, he's
made a crystal clear I will not be negotiating territory issues.
That was for Zelensky's sake and for the European nations
in NATO, and I think he made that pretty crystal clear.
And then the second meeting, he's not even necessarily going
to be there unless they ask him to be.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, see, I don't know what could possibly move the needle,
I really can. I don't have a good sense of it.
I don't know that you do or anybody else does.
This is one we just need to ask to play
out in reality before we can understand it.
Speaker 11 (24:03):
And I think if it reinforces the take that remember,
Russia is the aggressor here, Ukraine did nothing wrong. You know,
they're the victim in this, and you know, I think
if that mindset returns, President Trump's approach to dealing with
Putin would be very different.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Royal Neil great reporting as always, We'll talk again tomorrow,
all right.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Netflix has a hit series, My Wife.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This began with you know, copycat the movie, and then
you know, we get into forty eight hours in Dateline
and all those shows, forensic files, you know, some of them,
I'm indue, some of them, I'm not. This one I
get exposed to with Andrea watching it. But I am
excited about this one because I loved the movie Summer
of Sam, because I was fascinating that this one serial
(24:48):
killer could bring a city of this size to its
knees the way it did.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It was just a perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So they're doing their award winning hit series Conversations with
a Killer, and coming up in EPISOD four is going
to be the Son of Sam Tapes.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Why revisit this case nearly fifty years later.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, there can't possibly be anything we don't know, right,
No lots of new developments, even an arrest or, even
a charge and a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To a murder.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And we face a health crisis, a mental health crisis
today that we can learn from these cases. So I'm
thrilled to introduce you to the director of the Son
of Sam Tapes, Joe Berlinger, who's joining us. Good morning, Joe,
appreciate you being here with your morning show audience.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Nice to be with you. How are you doing. I'm
doing terrific.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know, my wife is obviously fascinated with all things.
I've started with the movie Copycat and then her fascination,
and I've gone along the journey with her. Spike Lee
did the movie Summer of Sam that covers this, as
Spike Lee and Hollywood would, but you the documentary. This
is important because for a lot of people to think, well,
what don't we know about Berkowitz, A lot has come
(25:59):
up right.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, first of all, you know, I do these shows
for Netflix, and Netflix has a huge, global, youthful audience,
so you know, I try to do the show both
for people who believe it or not have never heard
of this shows with large part of the audience, and
then for those who do. I want to make it
the definitive kind of telling. And there's some new information
(26:23):
in this show.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
We have new tapes.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
That have emerged that really provide an incredible insight into
the mind of the killer, you know, around the time
of the commission of the crimes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
These were recorded in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
And also there's a new victim of Son of Sam,
a surviving victim that's been the NYPD has finally closed
a case that's been open for you know, almost fifty years,
and it's been determined that Berkowitz is this. This would
have been his first attempted murder, his first shooting.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
New York City at its lowest point ever, oh my god,
one of its hottest. But I think what really sets
this apart, Joe, and I know it comes out in
the documentary. One man was able because they knew they
were having problems with police, they knew they were having
problems with crime. But one man brought the whole city
to its knees. That's what made this different.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Absolutely, it's fascinating, and for me, that's one of the
reasons I wanted to tell the story again for a
new audience, is that, to me, this is one of
the foundational cases and why we're obsessed with true crime
because no other serial killer baited the press and held
a city of seven million people in total fear and
(27:36):
used the press to do that. And so I think
one of the reasons we're obsessed with true crime today
you can trace all the way back to this case
and how the media was very willing to play along
with the serial killer, and the serial killer, you know,
brilliantly manipulated the press job.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Berlinger's join us. He's a director of conversations with the killer.
Almost fifty years later, the son of Sam tapes that
we have some new audio with your conversations with Berkowitz.
We have new information and new victim as you mentioned.
But I want to cut to the chase that you're
talking about, which is not evil, and bring up the demon.
I lean towards evil. He would tell you wild imagination,
(28:17):
which I think is bizarre.
Speaker 10 (28:18):
He was being instructed to kill by a six thousand
year old demon who was speaking to him through his
neighbor's doll. You know, he has flip flopped and told
many stories over the years as he continues to seek attention.
You know. In the tapes, what's so revealing is he
(28:41):
said he actually staged his apartment the week before the
arrests and made his apartment look like that of a madman.
He acknowledges that the six thousand year old demon was
just a ruse to make him look crazy. So I
think he was you know, evil is a hard word
to use. I mean, I think he was a deeply
(29:01):
I mean, what he did was evil, you know, but
I think he was just a deeply disturbed, troubled, alienated person.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You hit the nail right on the head. This is
Berkowitz as we look back seeing his apartment, whether he
did it after the factor, before the fact, telling his stories,
whether that was mental illness or he would say wild
imagination or hearing from the dog by way of a demon.
But the truth of the matter is he's walking all
around New York, involved in people's life and nobody's noticing. So,
(29:34):
you know, you bring up finding it's important to explore
these stories so that we can see these clues, especially
in this day of everybody isolated on social media with
mental illness, loneliness and looking for some kind of an
identity without human connection. But I mean, he was in
plain sight interacting with people and nobody had a clue.
So can we look back at that and learn something?
Was he giving clues? We just did not I look
(29:55):
for him? And how did you connect those dots? As
a final question, well.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
It's you know, doing thirty years of crime. The thing
that always stands out to me that people don't seem
to fully appreciate is that the people who do evil
in this world are usually the people you least expect
and most often trust. Whether it's a priest who commits pedophilia.
I mean, what a violation of trust, or a high
(30:19):
school coach who does bad things or Bernie Madoff. I
did a show about Bernie Madoff resents himself as being
like your favorite uncle, and yet he's plucking every penny
from every widow he can meet.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Epstein Epstein exactly.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
So, you know, we want to think that serial killers
look and act evil all the time because it gives
us this false sense of comfort that we can somehow
avoid their fate.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And the reason I like to tell these stories.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
And remind the younger generation is that just because somebody
looks trustworthy doesn't mean you should just implicitly give them
your trust, because it is you know, Bundy amously, you know,
encourage young women to you know, he'd walk into a
library at the University of Washington with a fake cast
and a stack of books, and he'd ask a young girl, hey,
(31:09):
can you help me bring these books to my car,
and then he would kill the girl. So it's it's
you know, serial killers often are regular people who walk
amongst us, which is, you know, not the most reassuring
thing to say. And it's why I say, like, you know,
your people really need to earn your trust before you
should be alone with somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Conversations with the Killer huge series for Netflix. As I
mentioned at the beginning of the interview, I see it
by way of my wife, and they're very well done
and they're fascinating and the latest and to be the
fourth installment, the Son of Sam tape. She did a
trafic job with this, and I think fifty years later,
it's important and the new information is certainly very compelling
for people that followed it when it happened. Thank you
(31:52):
so much for your work, and thank you so much
for joining us. Thank you, I appreciate it. That's Joe Berlinger,
who is the director of the Son of Sam Tapes.
It's episode four of the Netflix hit series Conversations with
a Killer. By the way, there's a longer conversation that
we had with Joe, probably about fifteen minutes. The reason
we had to kind of do this one for air.
You could ask Joe a question and then you could
(32:14):
go run five errands.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Before he's done.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
But it's full of information, so if you were frustrated
and wanted to hear more, Jeffery's putting it on the
website for you a little bit later on today.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
It's your morning show with Michael Del Johno.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So Big John has to chime in on this one.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Nineteen eighty son of Sam, growing up on Staten Island.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
We're all twenty years old, going to Brooklyn clubs. He
kept us on our toes. Believe he kept us on
our toes.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I just tried to picture Big John in the clubs.
The movie Summer of Sam Mira Sorbino, you know, it
gets a little bit into a personal relate. I mean,
they're telling the story through about five lives, but it
does cap. Look, it was terribly hot that summer. The
city was in complete disarray, police, you know, drama going on,
(33:11):
and then here comes this killer and everybody was suspicious
of everybody and concerned about their lives. The Netflix series
You'll want to catch the Sun of Sam tapes. All right,
it's fifty five minutes after the hour. Here's another victory.
I know this is like dejavo, but activist judges try
to stop the president from doing what is within his
(33:32):
constitutional authority until the Supreme Court slapped him down.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It happened again, this time with foreign eight.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
President Trump's administration was handed to victory when the Appeals
Court lifted an injunction that required the State Department to
continue making foreign aid payments. A three judge panel ruled
two to one against the lower court's order. Now the
Trump administration restore foreign assistance payments previously approved by Congress.
The ruling can open a pathway for the Trump administration
to cut billions of dollars in foreign assistance funds and
(33:59):
advance efforts to dissolve the US Agency for International Development
Mark mayfewer.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
President Trump's already talking about a second meeting with Putin.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
A meeting in which he suggested that both President Putin
and President Zelensky would be there. Trump said, I don't
have to be there, but if they want me to
be there, I will be.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's White House correspondent John Decker. He will be there
tomorrow in Anchorage, reporting live right here on your morning show.
And there's lots of hurdles to overcome. The biggest is trust.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
They hang up the phone and the President feels good
about the conversation, and then hours later he's bombing a
nursing home in Ukraine. He's killing or injuring civilians in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The percentage of American adults who say they consume alcohol
is reaching a record low.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Gummies. One of the things that we inhale the vapes. Yeah,
vaping might have has something to do with that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We're finding other ways to get high, but alcohol consumption
is down.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
According to a recent gallipol only fifty four percent of
respondents has said they consume alcohol, and the low metric
was repeated across several demographics, including gender, race, and age.
Polling also found that adults age thirty five and older
were more likely to drink than their younger counterparts, and
more men reportedly drank alcohol than women. The poll's findings
(35:19):
come during a growing shift in americans belief on drinking
and health effects. I'm Chris Krahio.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
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