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September 10, 2025 36 mins

Forbes has come out with its list of the wealthiest Americans – and they break it down by states. National Correspondent RORY O’NEILL will tell you about the richest person in YOUR state, and around the country.

US Senator Tim Kaine says our rights do come from man and not God. We’ll ask senior contributor David Zanotti if this was a political blunder or a defamation of the Declaration! And, Putin is not backing down. Does history give a blueprint to end this?  Dave and Michael look back at how Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Margaret Thatcher ended the Cold War 50 years ago!

White House Correspondent JON DECKER spent Tuesday with President Trump as part of the “Correspondent’s Pool” and had the opportunity to ask questions of the President in the Oval Office. 

 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is your morning show. I'm Michael.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Jefferys got the sound. Red's keep an eye on the content.
David Zanati, our senior contributor, is swinging a bat on deck.
You'll be here shortly if you're just waking up. The
Supreme Court's gonna hear arguments on whether tariffs implemented by
President Trump are legal. The man accused of murdering a
Ukrainian refugee on a Charlotte light train is going to
be federal charge that brings the death sentence into play.

(01:03):
And Cracker Barrel is suspending all remodeling of its restaurants.
Now we all know that the new signs went up
someplace some places, they'll be taken down and the old
one will be put back up. Red asked the question, now,
for those that have been remodeled, do they put all
the old.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Nick knacks back out? Or what?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
This long national nightmare is over, my terrible Gerald Ford
this morning. Meanwhile, Forbes has come out with a list
of the wealthiest Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
They break it down by states.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Always, Rory O'Neil is here to tell us about the
richest person in your state and in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Good morning, Rory.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Hey there, Michael, Yeah, my name not on the list
of the four hundred richest Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You just fly by the d's while you're at it.
I'm not there either.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
There You go, right, all told, add up the four
hundred richest Americans. They're worth six point six trillion dollars
and that worth went up where that value went up
by one point two trillion in just the past year
to even make it on the four hundred Riches list
by Forbes. You need to have a record three point
eight billion dollars in assets, so even one billion isn't

(02:14):
going to get you there. The twenty richest people in
the country hold three trillion dollars in total wealth. Of course,
Elon Musk is topping the list nationally. All right, Rory's
going to be back in the third hour. We're going
to talk about Apple. They had their annual hardware launch
and they're coming out with new phones. Hear whatever they're called.

(02:34):
I can never remember the name of what they call years, AirPods,
smart watches. He'll have more on that coming up in
the third hour. Thank you, Rory. Two pieces of.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Research, and again I don't want to get baited into
into polls, but this one is interesting and it goes
along with other findings. For the first time, we have
fifty four percent of eighteen to thirty nine year old
registered voters who would support a socialist Democrat candidate. So

(03:05):
do we have a problem with socialism among our youth?
More on that the Sounds of the day as well.
This one looks at limiting income, which I think is
interesting after Rory's report and a majority of voters under
forty favor legal limits on how much an individual can earn,

(03:27):
and they said it at one million dollars. I think
of what a million dollars is like in New York
City or Los Angeles. It's not as much as you think.
But how do you arrive at million? Because it's all
done through envy, So anybody that has more than you
has something that belongs to you. Read made the joke

(03:48):
whill they ask a bunch of five year olds what
this was? But think of a land of opportunity where
we want to limit the opportunity but maximize the penalties
and taxation. That's a pretty dangerous road.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And then you have.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Young voters who are struggling and discouraged. This goes to
our Monday journey of discovery, which was on two words hope.
Hope that comes from God, not man, and his unlimited
resources and his love and his promise to you, versus optimism,
which can come from culture or a personal mind belief

(04:25):
that the future is going to be better. We seem
to be failing our youth on both. Believing the economy
is unfair. Sixty two percent of likely voters eighteen to
thirty nine I think the economy is unfair to young people.
Fifty of under forty voters say they support a law
that would confiscate American excess wealth right out of the

(04:46):
spirit of envy, right out of communism and socialism. So,
you know, juxtaposition that with the Forbes Richest List that
came out today. David Sinati's our senior contributor. We're here
to talk about really two comments. Now, You've got Jasmine
Crockett saying that law enforcement isn't to prevent crime, it's
just to solve crime, which isn't true. And then you
know Tim Kaine saying that our rights do come from

(05:08):
man and government and not God, otherwise we'll be iran
conflating theocracy. I mean, but do you ever just look
at this and say, oh my gosh, what have we
been teaching in school? I mean, I think we should
all go back to school. Somebody said the other day,
we're talking about anybody that's been to a citizen ceremony.

(05:29):
A citizenship ceremony, everyone should attend one. Heck, everyone should
have to pass the test that they take prior to
that oath and compare that. But I mean, how did
we get so ignorant of basics. I mean, I'm wondering
what all we need to explain. Maybe we should just
start over breathing, eating, But I don't know where you.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Want to go with that.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
But you know that's not a bad thought about beginning
over again. I was watching a video yesterday of a
speech made by a dear friend, David mcdlay, David McCullough
to the United States Congress and from nineteen eighty nine,
and they panned the crowd a few times. It was
a c Span replay, and it was fascinating to see

(06:13):
a young Newt Gingrich in nineteen eighty nine, before he
had ever become a speaker of the House, brand new
member of Congress from Georgia, and no gray hair either,
I might add no white hair. It was fascinating to
span and see Bob Dole and all of that group
that was there, Lloyd Benson, and to see the Supreme Court.
David McCullough chastised the United States Congress in nineteen eighty

(06:37):
nine by simply saying, we're not doing a good enough
job teaching America to our children, and this will do
our nation if we do not teach what it means
to be American this was nineteen eighty nine. So now
you're you're almost a full generation past that and you
have these numbers. Gee whiz, no surprise. We've been doing
this for the last hundred years now. It's not a common,

(07:00):
Michael for young people to walk through periods of time
of envy even greed, because they're looking at what their
hopes are. And you know, it's funny because like two
years when you're eighteen years old is forever. Four years
has passed, forever when you're seventy four years is an eyeblink. Okay,

(07:21):
So people's perspective change on time. They also change in
regards to their earnings and opportunity. And there's no doubt
whatsoever that as people grow up in the system of
the American economy, they get more conservative, they're interested more
in earning more and keeping more, and they suddenly realize
what Ronald Reagan said, government's.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Not the solution. Government's the problem, and taxation is the problem.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
So if we want to confiscate wealth and put a
top at all of this, we should ask the next
question is, look, if we're going to go ahead and
say you can only make so much money, how about
we say the government can only take all combined, can
only take ten percent of your income. They probably say
yes to that too, which shows that that's what happens
when you're twenty five years old and you've not really
had much experience in the real world. Now, the question

(08:05):
is what are they being taught in school? And there's
no doubt whatsoever. We're being taught autonomy at which means
that we're an individual and no one has the right
to tell us what to do. And we're being taught greed, envy,
and socialism and it's paying off.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So of all of these things, I had to pick,
We're definitely going to overtime no matter what. But I
had to pick Jasmine Crockett. I think everybody can figure
that out. I did an AI search on it and
it gives you a great explanation and five seconds of
what law enforcement's purpose is. And obviously we should just

(08:41):
send this to Jasmine Crockett. But the purpose of law
enforcement is to maintain public safety and order by enforcing laws,
preventing and investigating crime, and protecting the rights and property
of individuals. At its core, its number one job is
to protect life and property. Then prevent crime is number two.
That's how much Jasmin Crockett gets it wrong. Enforce the
law three, Investigate and solve crimes for preserve peace and

(09:04):
order five, support the justice system six, and serve the
community seven. So obviously we've got a member of the
United States Congress and needs to be educated on law enforcement.
They won't even prioritize it, and they're selling lawlessness, but
they ought to understand at least what they're waging war against.
I want to go to Tim Kaine, this one really
needs you. You spent your life on this. We're on

(09:25):
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary coming up of a
document that is our absolute mission, statement and intent. And
we have a United States Senator, just like we have
a United States representative from Texas. We got a United
States Senator who was almost our vice president, who thinks
our rights come from man and government, not God. Otherwise
will be like the mulahs in Iran. I mean, where

(09:47):
would you begin on that one?

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Well, you begin by the fact that Tim Kaine doesn't
know what he's talking about. Maybe he's never read the Declaration,
he's certainly never studied the founders, and he couldn't couldn't
be any more incorrect. Unfortunately, Ted Cruz was there to
cite from memory the words of the Declaration of Independence
that not only proved him Kane's error. If King had

(10:12):
made that statement in nineteen eighty nine, when David McCullough
was standing at the roster of the United States Congress
speaking to the House and Senate combined, I think King
would have been censored by the Senate within thirty minutes.
I mean, it borders on trees and talk. Yeah, but
here's the toughest thing, because it's just plain dumb. But
here's the toughest question for you. Is this a political

(10:33):
blunder and a misspeak or is this a defamation of
the Declaration?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, he's just seeing out loud.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Yeah, he's saying he's using his outside voice because what
he basically said is what he finds deeply troubling is
that Marco Rubio and others are talking about the Declaration
of Independence and concluding that our rights come from God,
when in fact, Kin is absolutely convinced that our rights
come from government and from laws.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And these people are desperately confused and dangerous.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
So if he's speaking, by the way, and I guess
we should dust out why our founding fathers did not
choose a theocracy. So that's a false claim by Tim Kaine.
All gods are not.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Because it wasn't even on the tape, but.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
In their crazy worldview, all gods are the same as
no god. But that isn't true and they ignore that.
I mean, it's a failed worldview. But I mean, is
he speaking for his party? In other words, was he
just dumb enough to say out loud what they all believe,
those that are voting for him and those who are serving,
Because that's.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Gary beyond his party, Michael, he's speaking for the academy.
He's speaking for what we're teaching our children and have
been for the last fifty years.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I always say the school.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
We were talking the five o'clock hour, and I said,
you know, the scoreboard determines everything. Every decision a coaching
staff makes, every decision a front office makes, is to
impact the scoreboard. That's how it's decided who's on the team,
who isn't, Who starts, who who doesn't, Who comes in
the game, who comes out of the game, What play
is called, what play isn't called. That's a scorebart you realize,

(12:05):
I mean, we were doing this just with COVID. If
Fauci doesn't tell Trump two million people are dead by easter.
If you don't shut this government down, the president leads differently.
If the FED knew there were nine hundred thousand plus
less jobs than the Biden administration lied about as they
were lying about who was president, the FED makes different decisions.

(12:28):
If we think our rights come from man and government
and not God, well we're not even a republic. We're
not even self covered.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I mean, we're not thinking.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
But yeah, but where would you begin to explain that
to everybody? How fundamentally this would end our republic, which
I think is their ultimate goal.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Well that's a brilliant and beautiful question that we could
do for an entire lifetime as.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
An entire series called eighteen fifty Main Street.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
But that's another story and which we're getting back to.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
The reality is is that when you start a country,
you have to have a rationale, and you can make
the rationale material. You can make it scientific, you can
make it transcendent. Choices have to be made. You could
make it on ancient classical thought. You could make all
kinds of decisions. When we started our country, we said
we hold these truths to be self evident, that all
men are created equal, that they're endowed by their creator

(13:23):
with certain any of libal rights, that among these are life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness. And to secure these rights,
governments are instituted among men, deriving their power from the
consent of the government.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Now, government doesn't grant us our rights.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Government is designed to secure the rights God has already
given us.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
That makes all the difference.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I I can't speak enough about how in talk radio
we can be just as guilty as TV talk and
describing the problem and never giving the solution. Something we
could do three hours on how wrong Tim Kaine is

(14:05):
and how important it is that you understand how wrong
he is. The very life of our republic depends on it.
But only takes me five seconds to tell you what
the solution is. And that's what talk radio fails to
do often, is tell you what the solution is. And
the solution is that document on its two hundred and
fifty birthday, blowing off the dust and reading it. That's

(14:30):
the simple solution that ends the segment very very fast.
Do you see how when David just read that, he
didn't read something he wrote. He wrote read from the
very mission statement of our intent as we get ready
to celebrate two hundred and fifty years. That's the intent,

(14:51):
that's the inspiration, that's the meaning. The Constitution is the roadmap.
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Speaker 4 (16:28):
This is your morning show with Michael del.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Chrono talking with David an Adio, Senior contributor. We're going
to continue this conversation next half hour. But I want
to make some clear Tim Kaine one was not having
a disagreement with Marco Rubio as he stated, he was
having a disagreement with the declaration of Independence. That's the
clear point. And I got news for you. If our
rights come from man, they can be taken away from

(16:54):
it by man. If they come from God, they're inalienable
and they are protected. And it's also government's job to
protect those rights that come from God, not to create
rights from themselves. This is a very big distinction we
need to dust out. And we'll look at some modern
examples of why not just seventeen seventy six examples and
how of all places. This guy's a senator from Virginia,

(17:17):
Thomas Jefferson. State that and more when your Morning Show continues.

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(17:59):
President Trump says has law has released a Princeton PhD
student kidnapped more than two years ago. The Supreme Court
will hear arguments on whether tariffs implemented by President Trump
are legal, and President Trump and Vice President Vance will
participate in various events to commemorate the twenty fourth anniversary
of the deadly September eleventh attack. That anniversary is tomorrow.

(18:23):
We have on the talk back line two quick calls
to get to and then White House Correspondent John Decker,
can't have your morning show without your voice, wouldn't have it.
That's why it's not just named your morning show. It
is your morning show. Let's start with Angela and.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Nashville, Michael.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
It's perfectly clear the police vehicles, the law enforcement vehicles
have on them protect and serve. Protect and serve can
only be proactive, and the reactive is the serve, but
serve is not the let's find out who did it
because we weren't there to get it.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
So I go with the protect and serve. Thank you, Andrew,
and I love your show.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh thank you Angela? Yeah, I mean serve and protect.
This is the slogan of most law enforcement agencies. Are
the Democrats not interested in protecting the American people? That's
something they have to own. They were the all cops
are bad. All bad guys are not bad they were
the good trouble now they You know, you have a

(19:23):
representative who is the new AOC, because AOC is going
to be the new Bernie Sanders. And she's saying law
enforcements job isn't to protect, it's to solve.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Crime, not prevent it.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay, we'll get to Tim Kaines misspeak, which is not
a speaking against Marco Rubio but against the very declaration,
and Dave's here.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Dave has a quick comment.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Good morning, Michael read Jeffrey.

Speaker 9 (19:46):
I love what you and David Zanati did with the
eighteen sixty podcast that you did, Michael, and I'm so
happy that you brought that to our morning show. A
lot of that stuff you've covered this morning is what
me is the beginnings and the rumblings of what we're
trying to prevent from those conversations. But good morning, guys,

(20:07):
have a great day.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Well, America can observe this both sides, this tug of war,
because what we're really choosing is not a D versus
an R. In some cases, it's a republic versus mob rule.
We'll talk more about that with David Sanadi in a moment.
The White House correspondent John Dekker spent yesterday with the President,
as we previewed yesterday in the correspondence pool, and had
the opportunity to ask questions of the President.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Good morning, John, Hey, good morning. You know what I'll
tell you something. You cannot always bat a thousand, as
you know in baseball, and you can't always bat a
thousand when it comes to covering the White House. The
President did not have that meeting that was on his
schedule yesterday, and as a result, I did not get
an opportunity to ask the President any questions because that

(20:50):
proclamation that he had on his schedule in the Oval
Office open press, actually turned out to be closed press.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Michael Oh, okay, well, I think most of what was
happening in Washington yesterday and I have it coming up
in sounds of the day. The President had a teachable
moment with the American people on where he's headed was
securing law and order in our cities and for the
American people. And it's about time because rather than just
be sending guards everywhere, we need to have a conversation

(21:20):
with the American people about the priority whether you're a municipality,
a county, a state, or a country and providing a
safe country for its citizens. Oh.

Speaker 10 (21:30):
Absolutely. The President released a video yesterday that might be
what you're referring to, and in that video he referenced
that horrific murder that took place in Charlotte, North Carolina
in late August. We've all seen portions of that video already,
and the US Attorney for Western North Carolina has already

(21:52):
filed federal charges that could lead to the death penalty
for that individual that committed this heinous crime.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, and everybody's trying to make it like a partisan
political debate. This is the priority of government to provide
protection and that's what the President's trying to get the
focus on. And then you got the misspeak on a
podcast where Jasmin Crockett is saying it's not the police's
job to prevent crimes, it's to solve crimes. And of

(22:22):
course prevention is a big part of law enforcement. So
a lot of misspeaking going on. And the bottom line is,
let's get beyond all that and let's have real leadership
and solutions for this. And I think it starts with prioritizing.
The President did announce that a Princeton PhD student who.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Was kidnapped has been released.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know, we talked yesterday about a lot about you know,
the President said, last warning for Hamas, come to the table,
release these sausages, or else the or else I always
took it was, or Israel's going to continue the ground incursion,
which they did. Any update on where we stand, Plutent's
not blinking. Hamas isn't coming to the table. I mean,

(22:59):
there's a lot of or else is that are now
a reality.

Speaker 10 (23:03):
Well, you're right, you know, those are the two trouble
spots in the world that the President has been unable
to find a solution to. It's not the president's fault,
you know, it's Vladimir Putin's fault. In the case of
the war in Ukraine, he refuses to come to the
negotiating table. He increases those attacks on civilian areas in
Ukraine every day, and it's just hard, I think, to

(23:27):
turn the screws on Vladimir Putin. He thinks he can
essentially wait things out, doesn't need to come to the
negotiating table. As for Israel's war with Amas, the President
not happy with the action taken by the Israeli military
and Doha yesterday taking out some hamas leaders, perhaps injuring others,

(23:47):
but in any case, you know, this provides a very
difficult diplomatic dance to the President because both Israel and
Cutter are strong allies of the US, and the President's
trying to walk this fine line, try to make certain
that both countries remained strong allies of the United States.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
And John, it's a big issue of trust. If somebody
had doctored the numbers in the final year of the
Biden administration by nine hundred thousand jobs, a lot of decisions,
including FED decisions were made on false numbers. I suspect
that's going to be high on the docket today as well.
You can get more from John on the iHeart app.
Just search the White House Briefing Room with John Decker

(24:25):
and be sure to put it on your preset. That's
White House Briefing Room with John Decker. Usually really said
about what noon eastern. Oh, it comes out earlier than that, Michael.
Sometimes it's up there as early as eight easterns. So
you know, you can get you don't really get a
good headstart on your day. It really depends, you know,
what kind of news breaks late in the evening. And

(24:45):
there was some news that broke late in the evening
on the legal front. As you know, a judge stepped
in and prevented the President from removing Lisa Cook for
now from her position on the Federal Reserve Board. Yeah,
we know this dance, and then it goes to a
higher court and to a higher court, and eventually it
sorts itself.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Help.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
We'll get your take on that in the White House briefing.
All right, appreciate it, John, take care, thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Forty two minutes after the hour, David's andat he's here,
our senior contributor. We were talking about the fantastically historically
an accurate testimony of Tim Kaine, a US.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Senator, as to describe that one, don't you, Oh, that's
just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So he frames it as if he's taking a difference
with Marco Rubio on whether or not our rights come
from God or man and government, and he finds it
very troubling, this notion that they come from God. Well,
now he's having a disagreement with the Declaration of Independence,
and he presides as a senator over a state where
the document was written in great part by Thomas Jefferson

(25:43):
from his state. The question is is this a political
blunder or is this a defamation of the Declaration? Because
I don't think this is just a slip of the tongue.
This is what they believe. This is part of the
godless equation. How does that work out?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well? How it works out?

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Is this, Michael, And you're exactly right. What Tim Kaine
did was to confess his worldview, which he has every
right to, sure right and appreciate his honesty and his candor.
But he's not alone. This has been going on for
one hundred years as people have tried to tell us
that the Declaration of Independence is a document of the
Enlightenment and people like Franklin and Jefferson who were not

(26:23):
Christian believers.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
According to the Enlightenment crowd.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
In essence, we're trying to bring in the godless equation
into America and make our country one that's established solely
upon the principles of human reason and natural law. And
they define natural law as being the godless equation. It
always comes around in the same full circle. The only
problem is you speak of Jefferson on his monument, you

(26:47):
find the words the God who gave us life, gave
us liberty. Now that's quite problematic for Senator Kane.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, forget Senator Kane, how about everybody listening right now? Yeah,
where would man? Where would man find the ability to
give liberty?

Speaker 6 (27:06):
Well, and so you can go back to the ancients
who tried the godless equation. You could go back to
the French Revolution, which was built upon the godless equation
and find the guillotine which is coming back to the
streets again in some protests.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Or you could just.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Go back well seventy eighty years to the Soviet Empire,
which was the modern manifestation coming out of World War
Two from nineteen seventeen forward with the Communist revolution in
the godless equation where and if you can study two
or three great films documentaries on the demise of the
Soviet Union, and what you find is it ended up

(27:42):
being an argument that came down to one nation, the
nation of Poland, who refused to surrender their Christian Catholic
faith in believing that God made them, God made them
all equal and they had the same rights as everybody else.
And the bishops who came along include one bishop named
Karol Woativa who decided to work with young people and

(28:04):
teach them the first principles of what it means to
be free, and how the nation of Poland turned out
to be the entire lynchpin on the demise in the
Soviet Empire, and he.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Would turn out to be potentially one of the most
significant popes in history.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Pope John Paul the second.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know, we watched the documentary together while we were
spending some time during my vacation, and it was called
The Divine The Divine Plan, the Divine Plan and what
it does. And it's very straightforward, so you know, nothing
long and drawn out. This thing just hits you with
point after point after point, and it's the kind of
thing you turn off and then you begin your thought.

(28:46):
But we have a problem right now. Vladimir Putin is
not blinking. Vladimir Putin is not backing down now. Is
he going to play this out a year or is
he going to play this all the way to a
world war?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I can tell you what won the Cold War, I
can tell you what defeated the Soviet Union. I cannot
tell you what will ultimately defeat Vladimir Putin. I can
tell you when the Soviet Union was defeated. He was
at the KGB and he was not happy. And I
don't think he's going to lay down this time. I
think he's going to fight to the death. But the

(29:23):
first time we beat them was the unique alliance of
Ronald Reagan, an actor who became president, Pope John Paul
the Second, who was an actor who became Pope, an
actor who became Pope, and then Margaret Thatcher wasn't an actor,
but she becomes one of the most significant prime ministers

(29:44):
since Churchill. And the three of them all have not
just two other three having acting in common.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
All three were assassinated. Reagan should have died and didn't,
thank god, Pope John Paul the Second should have died
and didn't, and thank God. And the attempt was to
blow up Margaret Thatcher.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Now there's another interesting story to this in the case
of the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul the Second
that was a radical Islamic terrorist hired to do the
hit job by the KGB in the Soviet Union. But
the three unique people together combined to end the Cold
War and defeat the Soviet Union. It begs the question, David,

(30:27):
who's Reagan now? Is it Trump? Is it jd Vance
a convert to Catholicism?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Is it Marco Rubio?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Is it Marco Rubio? What about Leo? Pope Leo?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Is he John Paul the Second? That's one piece I'm
firmly convinced of. When we talk about the Truman doctrine,
and Truman gets credit for this to this day, the
Truman doctrine was to acknowledge that the Soviet Union is not.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Just wrong, it's evil.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
And then Ronald Reagan book ended it with its evil
and it must be defeated. But then I start doing
some research and I find out that's not true. The
first to acknowledge Communism is evil? Hold on for it, folks.
Pope Leo the thirteenth. Anybody wonder how we all of

(31:16):
a sudden have an American pope and he chooses the
name Leo the fourteenth.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
This one.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It goes on and on throughout the documentary. I don't
know how it's going to happen this time. I know
how it played out nearly fifty years ago. How does
it play out moving forward? And who are the players
and who filled these roles? I think history is repeating
itself right before our eyes.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
It can Michael, based upon the choices that people make,
and you said to them something earlier about maybe they
just don't like the American people. We're talking about the left.
I don't leave that on the table. You're right, that's
one of the things we teach our children to not
like people who are not like them. That's what we
do now. It's called tribalism is the antithesis of the

(32:01):
Declaration of Independence, and America succeeds if we can go
forward as one.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
People and the godless equation at its best right, what is.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
The god equation?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
You love the Lord thy God with all your heart's,
soul and mind, and you love others as yourself. So
we don't even honor that God, acknowledge that God is
any better than any other God or no God. And
on top of it, none of us are in the
active fulfillment of loving others. Don't tell them what to
do to be saved, serve them, love them. They'll ask

(32:32):
you why you're doing it. That may save them, But
that's all being lost, and now it's being replaced with
hate and mistrust.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
But to our caller, who started the whole segment.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Any of this grounds for a civil war if not
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Speaker 11 (34:01):
Michael, you have to add lec Valessa, who was the
leader of the Solidarity Party in Poland, to that equation
with Pope John Paul the second Reagan and Thatcher.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
He was with the spark.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
He was the spark that lit that.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
That fuse of freedom in Poland during that time.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, well, David chime in on that.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Tie those two together because it ties into where I
want to and and our visit today.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But the poets.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Working with like Wansa and the youth, that's really where
it all.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Began with a lot of your listeners.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
Yea, as a priest in Krackout was actually working with
hundreds upon thousands of young people, training them up in
the principles of first liberties as as a gift from God,
and that manifestation moved its way through into the opportunity
of solidarity. Now, lac Valenza is certainly an international, global

(34:55):
historic hero and because they move forward, but we want
to remember that what happened every day before those guys
went into work on the shipyards, they went to mass
they literally held mass Monday through Friday, every day before
and when they held a strike against the Soviet Union,
they didn't leave work.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
They struck inside the plant. They barricaded themselves inside. They
wouldn't leave.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Are we oversimplified? So we look at the past in
the present for a solution. We're waiting on the youth.
The youth in America seemed to be embracing in desperation socialism.
They're not like the youth of Poland. I don't know
if we have Reagan yet. I think we have Pope
John Paul the second in Leo, And I don't know.

(35:39):
Somebody has to merge out of Great Britain because there
is no Margaret Thatcher in office. But is it too
simplified to look at this and say there might be
something here?

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Well, those leaders came in as a secondary fact. What
Cardinal Wotiva taught Bishop Botiva talkt was this the way
to overcome the Soviet Empire. The godless equation is to
become more godly ourselves. We have to outlive our opponents
and live the ethic you just spoke.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Of love God and love your neighbors.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Not outlive in length of time, but in quality of God.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Capacity, and we have to overcome them by doing so
much good that eventually the good captures the culture.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And that's what happened point on this two hundred and
fiftieth birth of the Declaration. Event independence can be a
great guide for us here in America, and I know
you're making that a priority, and I can't be prioritized enough.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
We gotta love it, We got to teach it, Michael.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Perhaps we can get a copy to Senator Tim Kaine.
I'll say it.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Might even be worth the eighty five cent postage stamp.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
We'll send one free to emy listener from your morning
show that it gives us a call and five to
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Speaker 2 (36:42):
Thank you, David.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
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