September 22, 2025 • 36 mins
President Trump has reached an agreement with the Chinese to take over “TikTok.” Why is this important, and what will this mean for the popular social media platform? National Correspondent RORY O’NEILL will have the story.
Senior contributor David Zanotti joins us to review the spiritual and political significance of the Kirk Memorial Service. Tone, message, length, best moments and what the left’s response will be?
President Trump and several members of his administration were on hand for the memorial service honoring Charlie Kirk. White House Correspondent JON DECKER will have the latest.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Seven minutes after the hour, Good morning, and welcome to Fall, Monday, September,
the twenty second year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.
By the way, roy O'Neil is here. Fall is when
temperatures begin to fall, leaves turn colors and fall. We
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really cozy, wonderful time, football fireplace, Halloween, Thanksgiving, you know,
all the things you don't get to experience otherwise. In Florida.
I thought I'd explained going to be ninety today, so
nice in Florida. All right, top stories. Charlie Kirk remembered
by tens of thousands in Arizona. The UN Assembly getting
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underway in New York. That's where the president has headed
and Sentimentority Leader Chuckie Schumer in republic says Republicans will
be the first to be blamed if there's any government
shut down. Nice to see partisan politics as the same
as usual. TikTok is a big story. The President claims
to have reached an agreement with China to take over TikTok.
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Why is this important? What will this mean for the
social media platform? What does it mean for politics in America?
Rory's got the entire story. Good morning, Rory, Yeah, good morning.
You know, there may be a difference of opinion. I
guess when it comes to whether or not there's a deal.
The Trump administration seems to think there is. China is, oh,
not so fast.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But essentially it would buy TikTok and the algorithm, or
at least lease it from byte Dance in order to
bring it to the US. Look Congress banned or ordered
byte Dance to get rid of its Chinese ownership, or
it would be banned in the US, and this is
an arrangement trying to keep the Apple live. President Trump
has admitted he's sort of done a one eighty on
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TikTok after learning more popular, trying to be kind, but yeah,
after it was so popular with the younger voters who
supported him. I've compared Marco Rubio to Homer Simpson in
the Hedge, since Marco Rubio was really the leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
To ban TikTok, But yeah, Homer in the hitche Well,
I mean, here's the If TikTok was the danger that
it was described as China, you know, creating differences or
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gathering data, that didn't change just because everybody started using
it effectively, it's either a threat or it isn't. And
if it isn't a threat, then what's with all this
buy and takeover?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, the idea is whether or not China gets to
manage the algorithm to manipulate your feed, or if it
gets a profile on every single user and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Using it, but I know we're using it every day
right now.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
It seems to be fine. It seems to be right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
One of the five things we're crediting for giving Donald.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Trump a victory, Well, Bike Dan says it's not sharing
its data with the Chinese government, and I guess the
move is to try to keep it that way before
it can.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I guess the first question would be who are the
investors with the kind of money to make this purchase happen.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
The government is a lot of that, No, a lot
of that is still coming together. It seems the Murdocks
are in on it, Lachlan Murdoch and Dad as well.
That might at least through Fox Avacy than the board.
Oracle is another company in the mix there. Apparently you
still would be some sort of a Chinese representative or
a BYT Dance representative on the board.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
About seven or eight people.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think those are still part of the ongoing negotiations.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Ory O'Neil will be back in the third hour. He'll
talk more about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. The stadium was filled,
the overflow into the hockey arena.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't know we've if we've seen ratings, what the
viewership was. But tens and tens of thousands gathered for
the Charlie Kirk Memorial yesterday. David Sinadi is our senior contributor.
He said, joining us, you know David at the length,
I know there's going to be some people that would say, well, yeah,
five hours is too long for a memorial service, But
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then again they probably felt like most people will be
consuming this memorial through clips. That's always a frightening way
for me. I like things to be able to be
consumed in their entirety and in context. And next was
the tone, the messaging and the consistency of that. I
thought Tucker Carlson as well as Mikey McCoy or two
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of the memorable ones for me. But ultimately I guess
the questions is what now? Because I always think of
the widow and the children, Because no matter how emotional
or big a loss is, everyone eventually moves on. The
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emotion has a lifespan and they will move on, and
that's when the real grief will begin. That's when the
real hurting will begin. So I kind of move on
with I take away gratitude for my life and for Charlie's,
but mainly for mine and the gifting God has given me,
and the gifts God has given me and wife and
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my children and my home and in my service. I
don't feel a need to be like Charlie or change
who I am, but celebrate who God has made me
and serve those that are around me. That's kind of
the message I took away. How should we be processing this?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I wish I could be an expert here, Michael and
have a lot of answers, and I don't because there's
a passage in the scripture that says.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Where words are many, sin is not absent.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Five hours is about as many words as I could process.
Probably I couldn't process more than ninety minutes of it.
So I have more questions than I have answers, and
certainly feel overwhelmed by the experience of watching it, and have,
I think, without a out more questions and answers. That
being said, to a large degree, a lot of this
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is none of my business because I didn't know Charlie
Kirk other than as a professional in the field in
which I work, someone who I've observed closely for a
number of years and watched the work and the mission
and all that's been going on there. So there is
this very strange event that happened in that it was
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a collision of multiple formulas in our culture. It wasn't
a funeral. I understand there was a private service Saturday
before the Sunday event for the family.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Thank god. It was a tribute, it was a political rally.
It was.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
There were multiple players involved, with obviously different reasons for
being there in agendas. There was a lot of interesting content.
I think you did pick out the most significant six
minutes of the five hours with Stucker Carlson speech. I
think you're right about But again, now I'm talking like
a consumer. I'm talking like someone who's in the theater
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rating this for the academy.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
None of us are trying to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, this was it.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Make believe this was real people in a real place,
in a real time. I think that the number of
people who showed up is significant because it shows that
what happened to Charlie Kirk was very touching. If they
had opened the same arena and Charlie Kirk was there
to give a talk, they might have had a fraction
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of the people who were there. The question was over
Charlie Kirk's execution, the unjust murder in cold blood in
broad daylight of a person who was doing no harm,
and if the fundamental reason for people to show up
was to say I can't stand for that. Thank God, yeah,
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and I appreciate that. So there's many, many, many pieces
on this, and it's going to take a long time
to parse it all out. I would be interested and
if we could ever get an honest poll as to
how many people watched all five hours or nearly all
five hours, and not just in and out of the room.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But I mean, really try to pay attention. And I
know that we were doing that, trying to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, you and I did. Jeffrey admittedly didn't. All the
listeners in the talk back and emails did not. One
talkback person from Tulsa said she watched all five hours.
In fact, she found Charlie Kirks or not, Charlie Kirks
Tucker Carlson's the worst, I believe it or not. But yeah,
(09:15):
I don't think it's reasonable to assume many people watched
all five hours.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I've got some personal biases, okay, And I have to
be really careful because I have problems with personality worship, Okay,
I do. I mean, we've done a lot of that
in our culture. We do a lot of it. We
do a lot of it in Christendom. There's a lot
of personality cults that are out there. That have masqueraded
as something other than that. I'm not laying that on
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a turning point, but what I'm saying is we as
a people have a problem.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
No, there were moments where, you know, to become a
mantra that oh well he gets air Force too, because
he was going to be president. What is that he
We had that kind of memorial with the entire cabinet
there because he would have been a president someday. Can
you imagine if the left had done that was somebody
that's bizarre, It's bizarre. But throughout that memorial there were
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portions of some speeches that made him a founding father,
which you know, so I get where you're coming from.
Let's go. But to keep everybody focused what becomes a
turning point as a political movement that delivered for one
of the partisan parties. They still don't have Charlie Kirk
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moving forward, and I think that is a big question mark.
But I think we resist all that and say what
is God up to a lot of people are saying,
you know, the speaker was better than that speaker and
it was too long. But I've never seen a sitting
administration and cabinet addressing the person of Jesus so much.
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I'm encouraged, and that in and of itself is a revival.
You know, those are things that there'll be a lot
of talk about Erica for Kirk's forgiveness of Shooter, And
it's very very early. I mean, if we really understand
forgiveness and how we look, God requires us to a
seek our forgiveness as Tucker covered, and then be to
forgive others. You have to do the first before you're
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capable of the second. And none of that happens instantly.
None of that happens within eleven days. I don't think
you have really spent enough time thinking about your own sin,
your own offenses. If you can come to God in
eleven days, you don't know the cost of your sin,
or you don't have the perspective of your sin or
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the ripple effect of your sin and how it has
harmed so many lives around you. Sometimes that takes weeks, months, years.
You know, it's a debt, and it's a debt that
you can't even put an amount on in eleven days.
But I think it shows a good obedient heart immediately
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to do that. But really what we're wondering is what's
God up to, right, that's the ultimate question that we
don't know, and we know what he was up to
in Charlie. I don't know that that continues. I think
God moves on to something else.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, again, we got an invitation into a very private
event that became very public, and so I have to
have the manners of wiping my shoes, walking in the door,
and keeping my mouth shut as much as possible, because
I was invited in as a observer, and I don't
have the right to stand up as a critic. I'm
not suggesting, by the way, that's what you're doing at all.
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So I want to be very very careful and very
very respectful. I think what we need to ask ourselves
is how will our nation respond to the cold blooded
execution of an innocent man who was doing what our
country was founded on, having free debate in a civil
society for the common good. How will our society respond
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to that? I noticed there were no Democrats there, in
the sense that there was no one either invited or
no one who accepted invitation. I don't know either one.
I think the probably both true. Who were there? The
governor of the state wasn't there. The two senators weren't
there because in Arizona they have two Democrat senators and
a Democrat governor. Now, to me, repentance from a national
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perspective is when everybody drops their weapons and says, we
can't keep living like this, we must do better. And
I don't blame Turning Point for that. I don't blame
Charlie Kirk for that. We've got plenty of our own
sins to deal with. And I one thing I appreciate
about Tucker Carlson, as he said, repentances got to start
with me.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And that's the way I feel about it. Repentance has
to start with me. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
By the way, everybody's got a little hate department, and
there is Stucker was talking about my little hate department.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Everybody's got that situation.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I mean, the President exposed his and some very awkward,
hopefully considered humorous remarks.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, that was the other thing. The other side of
the coin is how might you know? Look, what we're
all really asking is we're going to take a turn
away from this type of hate and a trajectory towards
the c physical civil war. Right now, we're in a
cold civil war, some days not so cold, but are
we going to take a turn towards civil war, We're
going to take a turn towards unity and healing. I
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don't see enough evidence on either side, but I watched
it yesterday wondering how the left felt, how welcome they felt,
if the way Charlie used to talk to them, love them,
challenge them, and talk to them felt inviting or repelling.
There were moments that felt very repelling. So the presidents quote,
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you know that I hate my enemies. I just cringed
at what the left may do with that clip today.
If no one's watching this, instantirety clips are going to
be everything. I could do a montage of clips that
would probably fit their narrative that this is an out
of control tyrant who is going to silence any opposing
thoughts and views. So you know, it's all in the
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eye of the beholder. I don't know if America comes
out of this more unified or more divine. That's the
bottom line. I don't know the turning point comes out
of this stronger than ever as portrayed. They still don't
have Charlie, and that's the necessary element in this. But
I don't like the thought that everybody feels like, Okay,
the new calling is we all have to be Charlie now,
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you know. And then you're sitting there going, well, did
you ever watch the view when they would have like
one conservative voice and then that conservative voice couldn't handle
the debate? You know, no impression would have been better
than a bad impression.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Kind of they were.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If we have a bunch of people going out trying
to be Charlie, not knowing God the way Charlie knew it,
not knowing history the way Charlie knew it, not knowing
the Constitution of the way Charlie knew that could be a
disaster quite frankly, but that's not what God's calling us
to do. Gratitude for our life and our gifting and
serving those around us, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Is a powerful takeaway from all thisbit. What do I know.
I'm just the host.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
The Holy Spirit is in this place, humming, lack a
tuning fork. Please let that be said of me somewhere
some time in my life or in my dad.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, in life. Or that's a reference to what Charlie,
what Tucker Carlson described as what he was feeling inside
that stadium yesterday. I know we have a lot of reactions.
Five hours of memorial for Charlie Kirk. Continue to use
the talkback button. Email Michael d at iHeartMedia dot com.
There were certainly some great moments. My favorite was Tucker Carlson.
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I'll share another one of my favorites, Mikey McCoy when
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A major announcement about autism is expected later today from
the White House. The General UN General Assembly gets underway
in New York City, and today is the first day
of fall. If you fell asleep, Chiefs beat the Giants
twenty two to nine. Monday Night football the Detroit Lions
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and Baltimore to take on the Ravens. That should be
a great matchup tonight, all right, John Decker in a moment. First,
I believe we have Josh, who was actually at the
event in Phoenix yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I was fortunate enough to be in that stadium yesterday
with my eleven year old son. Let me tell you,
there's nothing I've.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Ever felt more powerful with.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Christ in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Than a crowd of sixty five thousand people singing together acapella.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Worship to Christ. I'll forever be grateful that.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I was in that building and got to feel what
I felt with my son.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh, Josh, thank you for sharing that with all of us.
And then the overflow into the hockey arena, you know
that somebody was there. Give us a call as well,
John Decker, our White House correspondent who has covered the president,
covered presidents eight different presidents, is joining us. John, I
don't think we could find any I mean, Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Didn't get this. MLK didn't get this.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I can't think of any other civilian that had Air
Force two pickup of the remains to return home, or
had this kind of attendance by an entire cabinet at
a time I'm of service, including the President. It was.
It was all very unprecedented, wasn't it. Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
If you were watching it on television as most of
America was, as opposed to being there in person. If
you were lucky enough to have a seat inside State
Farm Stadium, you had to be impressed not only by
the turnout but also the remarks that were made. And
you know, remarks were made obviously by politicians, but also
I think the vote touching remarks were made by the
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widow of Charlie Kirk, who preceded the president, And you know,
I was so impressed with her ability to even get
through her remarks, get through her eulogy that in itself
was took so much strength.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean wow, I think probably if I had
to guess the section, and I don't want to, I'm
gonna play it in sounds of the day, but I'll
just I guess, I'll just describe it because I don't
want to take up our time with you to do it.
Most people will play the clip where she gets right
to she forgives the shooter. But I thought the most
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powerful part was the setup to that, in other words,
Charlie's love and compassion for the loss. So when people
would be mean to him or say really mean things
about him, those were the very people that were he
was trying to reach, and that inevitably became the kind
of person that actually took his life. And then she
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goes in to the forgiveness part. I think if you
have it in full context, it was actually very powerful.
We've highlighted Tucker Carlson's comments I thought were pretty extraordinary.
May have been the best five and a half minute
sermon I've ever heard in my life. I really loved
Mikey McCoy. I thought that was powerful. But you know,
Telsea Gabbert, a former Democrat. You had Robert F. Kennedy
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who lost his uncle and his father, a former Democratic
presidential candidate. It was Vance and Marco potentially one of
the next presidents. And then the President himself kind of
put his arms around the widow, representing all of America
putting their arms around her. It was there was a
lot of really good moments.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
Oh absolutely, And the last one that you described was
was very touching. You could tell that Erica Kirk really
needed that, she needed that support, she needed that support
from the president, from the President of the United States,
and she received it. And of course they walked off
the stage together. What a fitting end to a remarkable
tribute for Charlie Kirk. And You're right, I've never seen
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and don't know if I'll ever seen anything like that
again for a person who was a private sitdit and
not elected to public office, not a politician, not anyone
you know of note in terms of being elected to
public office, but someone who obviously made a huge difference
in conservative politics, and you know, strived to make a
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huge difference in our country.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'd like to ask impossible questions of you, because sometimes
you just call me on doing it, and then sometimes
you actually have an insightful answer. But the real question
for America is like, after Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, an
mlk's assassination, is America going to turn towards healing away
from this kind of hatred and violence? How is the
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other side responding to this? What might they respond with?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Well, it's it's unfortunate that you have to talk about thide,
you know, I mean, someone lost their life in such
a horrific way, and you know, I think that all
Americans feel for the grief that Erica Kirk is going through. Unfortunately,
as you alluded to, we live in a divided country,
so you know, I think it returned to a divided
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America once again. But hopefully, you know, even through the division.
You know, I think that the Governor of Utah, in
the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk said it
so well when he said, can we just not see.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Each other as enemies of each other?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
I thought that was so fitting a tribute to the
way that the country should proceed after such a horrific assassination.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You can hear more of John's thoughts in the White
House Briefing Room his daily podcast. It'll be out at
nine Eastern later this morning, and I hope we talk
again tomorrow. John, thank you so much for your time.
I hope senior contributor David Zanadi is joining us. We're
talking about the impact of the Kirk memorial service. Let
me make sure in case you're just joining us five hours.
We don't suspect anybody watched all five hours, and we
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can't control algorithms or the clips that people are going
to choose. So we did consume it in five hours,
and we looked at the length, the tone, the messaging,
and ultimately we look at remembering the man and in
some cases irreplaceable Charlie Kirk. But ultimately we're curious as
to how America consumes this and how then America moves forward.
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That concerns us greatly. Hopefully it's towards more peaceful, just
as spirited, truthful debate as Charlie lived, but with that
same right measure of compassion and love and ultimate unity.
That's our hope. Anyway, David, in terms of the memorial
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service itself and the response, let me ask the question
I just asked of John Decker. How might the left
respond to this? I can tell you, honestly, having been
up longer than you and searching through everything, I can
tell you just Josh Shapiro is calling America to speak
against this killing, that it is wrong. It is the
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essence of what we are. That we believe in freedom
of speech and freedom of faith because we are thinking,
speaking people, and we are believing people, and no one
should be killed for that. I know that John Fetterman
has been very outspoken. Other than that, it seems like
the LAP is ready to continue on and fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
The very fact that we have to frame this in
that two sides of an argument, and we have to
frame it, and you're not advocating that, you're doing what
we all have to do, and that is to recognize
the fact that we have accepted the divisions. We have
accepted that we are no longer one people, that we
are two people fighting over the direction of the founding
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of our country, and they're therefore what we do every
single day and what we pay for and what we're
going to be and who we're going to be. The
essence of America was that it could not have happened
had we not become one people. That was the vision
of George Washington, and he watched that happen over the
period of the Revolutionary War. You know, not everybody was
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on board with starting our own country, and it was
something that we grew into. And when we grew into it,
we were able by the time we got the seventeen
eighty seven from seventeen eighty six to begin a document
for how we would govern ourselves in regards to our
federal government, with the words we the people, and each
of our state constitutions reflected the same reality that true
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moral authority for civil government belongs with us, the people.
We have accepted a barbaric methodology that is netting what
you would expect, which is violence toward one another because
we've stopped seeing ourselves as one people trying to bring
forward the principles of our declaration and our constitution. Those
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were words that were not abundant yesterday. Now that's saying
yesterday was the reflective moment of all reality. It was
a moment in time. You mentioned RFK an MLK. So
many situations that we've had where we have had political murdyers,
they didn't have tribute events of five hours.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So this is a phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I'm not going to put all the weight of that
on term Point or the survivors. I'm still wrestling with
what happened twelve days ago. It's still hard for me
to process that Charlie Kirk is dead, shot down in
cold blood. That way, it's very difficult to process. And
I'm removed from the situation. So I mean, I think
we're still struggling with this as a people. I think
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the objective is going to be is what will we
the people decide we want to be. Will we reject
the algorithm? Will we reject this idea that we have
to be shirts and skins us versus them, red versus blue?
And will we return to the notion that we have things.
We have more things that we believe in together than
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we should be arguing about.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And that's just not some polyannerials.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Benefiting who's benefiting from us all hating each other and
fighting all.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
The profiteers in high tech, in big tech.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
We made a group of people more wealthy than the
Vounder Brooks and the Melons and all of the people
of the Guild and Era by giving them all our
money while they gave us back this time technology and
now that's technology is hijacked and being manipulated by people
on a daily basis to monetize the living daylights out
of everything and to manipulate public opinion.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Best thing for us to shut it all off. Nobody
wants to hear that, though, right.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Of course, because like if Tucker meant that in repentance,
while we can't put our phones away.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Well, and again I'm not suggesting that the methodology of
the phone is evil. What I'm suggesting is the algorithmic
idea that followers, clicks, likes, et cetera, etcetera is dominating
our entire brain waves and that we're irreconcilably divorced from
one another is absurd.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You can't well, it certainly takes focus off of God
and puts it on self and puts it on other's
opinion of self. And if you you know, Paul said,
do not conform to the patterns of this world, but
be transformed daily. Charlie Kirk was a big fan of
being in the word daily.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Know, they would tell you, in their best defense, they
would tell you our job is to get you to
be online. You know what their scoreboard is, that little
thing that pops up on your phone once a week
that you averaged eight hours and thirty four minutes a day.
That's their victory. Now, if it turns out the political
outrage and divisiveness gets you to come the like if
(29:18):
you weren't, if we weren't so divided, would you be
going to ax as much? Would you be? You know
what I'm saying, and so in other words, even in
its best light, it's designed to hook you, keep you
coming back more often and staying longer, and have hatred
and political divide is what does it?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Then those algorithms and they become the problem. But really,
as Tucker would suggest, maybe we're the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's it's time. I think repentance is the right word
across the board. And again, Michael, I want to be
careful to not diminish the fact that we did see
something yesterday that is extraordinary and not common in our
life experience, and that's that so many people were gathered
in an environment where there was a liberal distribution of
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what looks like Biblical Christianity, which what looks like genuine
music of worship, which which appears in sounds, and those
are kinds of words and sounds and statements and readings
from the Holy scriptures and confessions of personal guilt and
repentance that we are not seeing normally in our country,
certainly not with at least one branch, one side of
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the political class gathering together and a seated administration in
that process.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
A seated administration is a kid, by the way.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
The reverse different experience, not to be minimized, No, not.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
To be minimized at all. But you could also anticipate
that the left will see Christian nationalism in that too.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, you know, you and I will be here tomorrow
and the next day to cover that battle is still here,
and it's still the wrong fight, and we have to
deal with it.
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It's your Morning Show with Michael del Choano.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Listen, we're kind of just putting into perspective the five
hour memorial service for Charlie Kirk yesterday. Just a quick note,
Bill Maher and his Real Time with Bill Maher is
still an HBO show, but CNN and I don't know
how long this will last, as Bill Maher is certainly
going through an enlightening stage right now, and he's been
(32:25):
far rougher on the left than the right in the
last two to three years. But yes, you were watching
the encore presentation of Real Time with Bill Maher from
HBO and you saw something very interesting yesterday. David Sanadi,
our senior contributor with us.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Well, maybe this is a reflection on what's happening in
the discussion of Charlie Kirk because I saw Bill Maher
and Tom Homan have a conversation about immigration, and ma asked,
really pointed, very clever questions about aren't you just being
a little too heavy handed taking the waitress that's been
here for fourteen years and sending her back, And of
course the crowd was all baited to go. Yeah, the
media only recovered it based on covered it based on crowdoplause.
(33:03):
But Michael, what I heard with mar and Homan was
a very honest, significant conversation, and Homan explained to mar
how the laws work, why they're doing what they're doing,
and every single piece of it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
He explained the rationalit. Andy.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
He said, why are you screaming at me? If you
don't like the way the laws are being enforced, Go
to Congress because they.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Wrote the laws and give us better.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Suggestions on how to solve this.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And Bill Maher when it was over, thanked him and
shook his hand, and the two of them were having
a conversation that the audience wasn't even capable to comprehend. Now,
that is how we get somewhere in the country when
people stop and listen.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And I just have to do this for.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
What would you call it?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Backstory? Charlie Kirk was on with Bill Maher in his
podcast That's when You go down and Bill Maher's basement
and build smokes weed and drinks and talks to people,
and there was an awful lot of discussion about Jesus,
an awful lot of discussion about politics. And I can
tell you I'm noticing Bill Maher bringing more and more
(34:16):
powerful believers into that basement. Bill Maher has made his
whole life about being antagonistic towards faith, and I've said
this to David off there, so I'll say it on
the air. I'm watching a guy openly search And you know,
Bill Maher is was greatly impacted by Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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He saw him as a good, reasonable man who thought
differently than him but did not deserve to be killed.
And he is disgusted with the way the left has
responded to the Charlie Kirk killing. So it'll be interesting
to watch going forward Bill Maher. I've always said Bill
Maher fled that could be powerful, as powerful as the
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life Charlie Kirk lived.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Well, you can see that, Michael.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
This conversation is having impact in people, and I want
to commend Marco Rubio and Tucker Carlson and many people
who took the risk of bringing themselves and their personal
confessions into this. Yesterday was a historic moment. We'll have
to see it in context as the years unfold, because
I don't think it's a day that will be easily forgotten.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
But yesterday was a day we saw people's confessions. Now
let's see them live it moving forward, and I think
that can be a lasting memorial. Not only did Charlie Kirk,
but a restoration to our country. At least that's the hope, right,
David Sinati, thank you so much for your insights. All Right,
when we come back, Chris Walker, from a political perspective,
(35:47):
what becomes of Turning Point USA? And if Charlie Kirk's
martyrdom leads to a new, more powerful TPUSA like trump Ism,
does that become a unifying force for the party or
in ultimately a divisive part of the party. Where's Republicanism
in all of this? When your Morning show continues next.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Seven minutes after the hour, Good morning, and welcome to Fall, Monday, September,
the twenty second year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.
By the way, roy O'Neil is here. Fall is when
temperatures begin to fall, leaves turn colors and fall. We
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really cozy, wonderful time, football fireplace, Halloween, Thanksgiving, you know,
all the things you don't get to experience otherwise. In Florida.
I thought I'd explained going to be ninety today, so
nice in Florida. All right, top stories. Charlie Kirk remembered
by tens of thousands in Arizona. The UN Assembly getting
(01:23):
underway in New York. That's where the president has headed
and Sentimentority Leader Chuckie Schumer in republic says Republicans will
be the first to be blamed if there's any government
shut down. Nice to see partisan politics as the same
as usual. TikTok is a big story. The President claims
to have reached an agreement with China to take over TikTok.
(01:44):
Why is this important? What will this mean for the
social media platform? What does it mean for politics in America?
Rory's got the entire story. Good morning, Rory, Yeah, good morning.
You know, there may be a difference of opinion. I
guess when it comes to whether or not there's a deal.
The Trump administration seems to think there is. China is, oh,
not so fast.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But essentially it would buy TikTok and the algorithm, or
at least lease it from byte Dance in order to
bring it to the US. Look Congress banned or ordered
byte Dance to get rid of its Chinese ownership, or
it would be banned in the US, and this is
an arrangement trying to keep the Apple live. President Trump
has admitted he's sort of done a one eighty on
(02:24):
TikTok after learning more popular, trying to be kind, but yeah,
after it was so popular with the younger voters who
supported him. I've compared Marco Rubio to Homer Simpson in
the Hedge, since Marco Rubio was really the leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
To ban TikTok, But yeah, Homer in the hitche Well,
I mean, here's the If TikTok was the danger that
it was described as China, you know, creating differences or
(03:01):
gathering data, that didn't change just because everybody started using
it effectively, it's either a threat or it isn't. And
if it isn't a threat, then what's with all this
buy and takeover?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, the idea is whether or not China gets to
manage the algorithm to manipulate your feed, or if it
gets a profile on every single user and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Using it, but I know we're using it every day
right now.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
It seems to be fine. It seems to be right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
One of the five things we're crediting for giving Donald.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Trump a victory, Well, Bike Dan says it's not sharing
its data with the Chinese government, and I guess the
move is to try to keep it that way before
it can.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I guess the first question would be who are the
investors with the kind of money to make this purchase happen.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
The government is a lot of that, No, a lot
of that is still coming together. It seems the Murdocks
are in on it, Lachlan Murdoch and Dad as well.
That might at least through Fox Avacy than the board.
Oracle is another company in the mix there. Apparently you
still would be some sort of a Chinese representative or
a BYT Dance representative on the board.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
About seven or eight people.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think those are still part of the ongoing negotiations.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Ory O'Neil will be back in the third hour. He'll
talk more about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. The stadium was filled,
the overflow into the hockey arena.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I don't know we've if we've seen ratings, what the
viewership was. But tens and tens of thousands gathered for
the Charlie Kirk Memorial yesterday. David Sinadi is our senior contributor.
He said, joining us, you know David at the length,
I know there's going to be some people that would say, well, yeah,
five hours is too long for a memorial service, But
(04:47):
then again they probably felt like most people will be
consuming this memorial through clips. That's always a frightening way
for me. I like things to be able to be
consumed in their entirety and in context. And next was
the tone, the messaging and the consistency of that. I
thought Tucker Carlson as well as Mikey McCoy or two
(05:12):
of the memorable ones for me. But ultimately I guess
the questions is what now? Because I always think of
the widow and the children, Because no matter how emotional
or big a loss is, everyone eventually moves on. The
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emotion has a lifespan and they will move on, and
that's when the real grief will begin. That's when the
real hurting will begin. So I kind of move on
with I take away gratitude for my life and for Charlie's,
but mainly for mine and the gifting God has given me,
and the gifts God has given me and wife and
(05:55):
my children and my home and in my service. I
don't feel a need to be like Charlie or change
who I am, but celebrate who God has made me
and serve those that are around me. That's kind of
the message I took away. How should we be processing this?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I wish I could be an expert here, Michael and
have a lot of answers, and I don't because there's
a passage in the scripture that says.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Where words are many, sin is not absent.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Five hours is about as many words as I could process.
Probably I couldn't process more than ninety minutes of it.
So I have more questions than I have answers, and
certainly feel overwhelmed by the experience of watching it, and have,
I think, without a out more questions and answers. That
being said, to a large degree, a lot of this
(06:48):
is none of my business because I didn't know Charlie
Kirk other than as a professional in the field in
which I work, someone who I've observed closely for a
number of years and watched the work and the mission
and all that's been going on there. So there is
this very strange event that happened in that it was
(07:08):
a collision of multiple formulas in our culture. It wasn't
a funeral. I understand there was a private service Saturday
before the Sunday event for the family.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Thank god. It was a tribute, it was a political rally.
It was.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
There were multiple players involved, with obviously different reasons for
being there in agendas. There was a lot of interesting content.
I think you did pick out the most significant six
minutes of the five hours with Stucker Carlson speech. I
think you're right about But again, now I'm talking like
a consumer. I'm talking like someone who's in the theater
(07:47):
rating this for the academy.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
None of us are trying to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, this was it.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Make believe this was real people in a real place,
in a real time. I think that the number of
people who showed up is significant because it shows that
what happened to Charlie Kirk was very touching. If they
had opened the same arena and Charlie Kirk was there
to give a talk, they might have had a fraction
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of the people who were there. The question was over
Charlie Kirk's execution, the unjust murder in cold blood in
broad daylight of a person who was doing no harm,
and if the fundamental reason for people to show up
was to say I can't stand for that. Thank God, yeah,
(08:33):
and I appreciate that. So there's many, many, many pieces
on this, and it's going to take a long time
to parse it all out. I would be interested and
if we could ever get an honest poll as to
how many people watched all five hours or nearly all
five hours, and not just in and out of the room.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But I mean, really try to pay attention. And I
know that we were doing that, trying to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, you and I did. Jeffrey admittedly didn't. All the
listeners in the talk back and emails did not. One
talkback person from Tulsa said she watched all five hours.
In fact, she found Charlie Kirks or not, Charlie Kirks
Tucker Carlson's the worst, I believe it or not. But yeah,
(09:15):
I don't think it's reasonable to assume many people watched
all five hours.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I've got some personal biases, okay, And I have to
be really careful because I have problems with personality worship, Okay,
I do. I mean, we've done a lot of that
in our culture. We do a lot of it. We
do a lot of it in Christendom. There's a lot
of personality cults that are out there. That have masqueraded
as something other than that. I'm not laying that on
(09:44):
a turning point, but what I'm saying is we as
a people have a problem.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
No, there were moments where, you know, to become a
mantra that oh well he gets air Force too, because
he was going to be president. What is that he
We had that kind of memorial with the entire cabinet
there because he would have been a president someday. Can
you imagine if the left had done that was somebody
that's bizarre, It's bizarre. But throughout that memorial there were
(10:10):
portions of some speeches that made him a founding father,
which you know, so I get where you're coming from.
Let's go. But to keep everybody focused what becomes a
turning point as a political movement that delivered for one
of the partisan parties. They still don't have Charlie Kirk
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moving forward, and I think that is a big question mark.
But I think we resist all that and say what
is God up to a lot of people are saying,
you know, the speaker was better than that speaker and
it was too long. But I've never seen a sitting
administration and cabinet addressing the person of Jesus so much.
(10:51):
I'm encouraged, and that in and of itself is a revival.
You know, those are things that there'll be a lot
of talk about Erica for Kirk's forgiveness of Shooter, And
it's very very early. I mean, if we really understand
forgiveness and how we look, God requires us to a
seek our forgiveness as Tucker covered, and then be to
forgive others. You have to do the first before you're
(11:13):
capable of the second. And none of that happens instantly.
None of that happens within eleven days. I don't think
you have really spent enough time thinking about your own sin,
your own offenses. If you can come to God in
eleven days, you don't know the cost of your sin,
or you don't have the perspective of your sin or
(11:34):
the ripple effect of your sin and how it has
harmed so many lives around you. Sometimes that takes weeks, months, years.
You know, it's a debt, and it's a debt that
you can't even put an amount on in eleven days.
But I think it shows a good obedient heart immediately
(11:55):
to do that. But really what we're wondering is what's
God up to, right, that's the ultimate question that we
don't know, and we know what he was up to
in Charlie. I don't know that that continues. I think
God moves on to something else.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, again, we got an invitation into a very private
event that became very public, and so I have to
have the manners of wiping my shoes, walking in the door,
and keeping my mouth shut as much as possible, because
I was invited in as a observer, and I don't
have the right to stand up as a critic. I'm
not suggesting, by the way, that's what you're doing at all.
(12:31):
So I want to be very very careful and very
very respectful. I think what we need to ask ourselves
is how will our nation respond to the cold blooded
execution of an innocent man who was doing what our
country was founded on, having free debate in a civil
society for the common good. How will our society respond
(12:51):
to that? I noticed there were no Democrats there, in
the sense that there was no one either invited or
no one who accepted invitation. I don't know either one.
I think the probably both true. Who were there? The
governor of the state wasn't there. The two senators weren't
there because in Arizona they have two Democrat senators and
a Democrat governor. Now, to me, repentance from a national
(13:13):
perspective is when everybody drops their weapons and says, we
can't keep living like this, we must do better. And
I don't blame Turning Point for that. I don't blame
Charlie Kirk for that. We've got plenty of our own
sins to deal with. And I one thing I appreciate
about Tucker Carlson, as he said, repentances got to start
with me.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And that's the way I feel about it. Repentance has
to start with me. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
By the way, everybody's got a little hate department, and
there is Stucker was talking about my little hate department.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Everybody's got that situation.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I mean, the President exposed his and some very awkward,
hopefully considered humorous remarks.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, that was the other thing. The other side of
the coin is how might you know? Look, what we're
all really asking is we're going to take a turn
away from this type of hate and a trajectory towards
the c physical civil war. Right now, we're in a
cold civil war, some days not so cold, but are
we going to take a turn towards civil war, We're
going to take a turn towards unity and healing. I
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don't see enough evidence on either side, but I watched
it yesterday wondering how the left felt, how welcome they felt,
if the way Charlie used to talk to them, love them,
challenge them, and talk to them felt inviting or repelling.
There were moments that felt very repelling. So the presidents quote,
(14:35):
you know that I hate my enemies. I just cringed
at what the left may do with that clip today.
If no one's watching this, instantirety clips are going to
be everything. I could do a montage of clips that
would probably fit their narrative that this is an out
of control tyrant who is going to silence any opposing
thoughts and views. So you know, it's all in the
(14:56):
eye of the beholder. I don't know if America comes
out of this more unified or more divine. That's the
bottom line. I don't know the turning point comes out
of this stronger than ever as portrayed. They still don't
have Charlie, and that's the necessary element in this. But
I don't like the thought that everybody feels like, Okay,
the new calling is we all have to be Charlie now,
(15:17):
you know. And then you're sitting there going, well, did
you ever watch the view when they would have like
one conservative voice and then that conservative voice couldn't handle
the debate? You know, no impression would have been better
than a bad impression.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Kind of they were.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If we have a bunch of people going out trying
to be Charlie, not knowing God the way Charlie knew it,
not knowing history the way Charlie knew it, not knowing
the Constitution of the way Charlie knew that could be a
disaster quite frankly, but that's not what God's calling us
to do. Gratitude for our life and our gifting and
serving those around us, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Is a powerful takeaway from all thisbit. What do I know.
I'm just the host.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
The Holy Spirit is in this place, humming, lack a
tuning fork. Please let that be said of me somewhere
some time in my life or in my dad.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, in life. Or that's a reference to what Charlie,
what Tucker Carlson described as what he was feeling inside
that stadium yesterday. I know we have a lot of reactions.
Five hours of memorial for Charlie Kirk. Continue to use
the talkback button. Email Michael d at iHeartMedia dot com.
There were certainly some great moments. My favorite was Tucker Carlson.
(16:37):
I'll share another one of my favorites, Mikey McCoy when
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A major announcement about autism is expected later today from
the White House. The General UN General Assembly gets underway
in New York City, and today is the first day
of fall. If you fell asleep, Chiefs beat the Giants
twenty two to nine. Monday Night football the Detroit Lions
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and Baltimore to take on the Ravens. That should be
a great matchup tonight, all right, John Decker in a moment. First,
I believe we have Josh, who was actually at the
event in Phoenix yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I was fortunate enough to be in that stadium yesterday
with my eleven year old son. Let me tell you,
there's nothing I've.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Ever felt more powerful with.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Christ in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Than a crowd of sixty five thousand people singing together acapella.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Worship to Christ. I'll forever be grateful that.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I was in that building and got to feel what
I felt with my son.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh, Josh, thank you for sharing that with all of us.
And then the overflow into the hockey arena, you know
that somebody was there. Give us a call as well,
John Decker, our White House correspondent who has covered the president,
covered presidents eight different presidents, is joining us. John, I
don't think we could find any I mean, Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Didn't get this. MLK didn't get this.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I can't think of any other civilian that had Air
Force two pickup of the remains to return home, or
had this kind of attendance by an entire cabinet at
a time I'm of service, including the President. It was.
It was all very unprecedented, wasn't it. Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
If you were watching it on television as most of
America was, as opposed to being there in person. If
you were lucky enough to have a seat inside State
Farm Stadium, you had to be impressed not only by
the turnout but also the remarks that were made. And
you know, remarks were made obviously by politicians, but also
I think the vote touching remarks were made by the
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widow of Charlie Kirk, who preceded the president, And you know,
I was so impressed with her ability to even get
through her remarks, get through her eulogy that in itself
was took so much strength.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, I mean wow, I think probably if I had
to guess the section, and I don't want to, I'm
gonna play it in sounds of the day, but I'll
just I guess, I'll just describe it because I don't
want to take up our time with you to do it.
Most people will play the clip where she gets right
to she forgives the shooter. But I thought the most
(20:04):
powerful part was the setup to that, in other words,
Charlie's love and compassion for the loss. So when people
would be mean to him or say really mean things
about him, those were the very people that were he
was trying to reach, and that inevitably became the kind
of person that actually took his life. And then she
(20:26):
goes in to the forgiveness part. I think if you
have it in full context, it was actually very powerful.
We've highlighted Tucker Carlson's comments I thought were pretty extraordinary.
May have been the best five and a half minute
sermon I've ever heard in my life. I really loved
Mikey McCoy. I thought that was powerful. But you know,
Telsea Gabbert, a former Democrat. You had Robert F. Kennedy
(20:49):
who lost his uncle and his father, a former Democratic
presidential candidate. It was Vance and Marco potentially one of
the next presidents. And then the President himself kind of
put his arms around the widow, representing all of America
putting their arms around her. It was there was a
lot of really good moments.
Speaker 8 (21:10):
Oh absolutely, And the last one that you described was
was very touching. You could tell that Erica Kirk really
needed that, she needed that support, she needed that support
from the president, from the President of the United States,
and she received it. And of course they walked off
the stage together. What a fitting end to a remarkable
tribute for Charlie Kirk. And You're right, I've never seen
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and don't know if I'll ever seen anything like that
again for a person who was a private sitdit and
not elected to public office, not a politician, not anyone
you know of note in terms of being elected to
public office, but someone who obviously made a huge difference
in conservative politics, and you know, strived to make a
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huge difference in our country.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I'd like to ask impossible questions of you, because sometimes
you just call me on doing it, and then sometimes
you actually have an insightful answer. But the real question
for America is like, after Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, an
mlk's assassination, is America going to turn towards healing away
from this kind of hatred and violence? How is the
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other side responding to this? What might they respond with?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Well, it's it's unfortunate that you have to talk about thide,
you know, I mean, someone lost their life in such
a horrific way, and you know, I think that all
Americans feel for the grief that Erica Kirk is going through. Unfortunately,
as you alluded to, we live in a divided country,
so you know, I think it returned to a divided
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America once again. But hopefully, you know, even through the division.
You know, I think that the Governor of Utah, in
the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk said it
so well when he said, can we just not see.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Each other as enemies of each other?
Speaker 8 (23:03):
I thought that was so fitting a tribute to the
way that the country should proceed after such a horrific assassination.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You can hear more of John's thoughts in the White
House Briefing Room his daily podcast. It'll be out at
nine Eastern later this morning, and I hope we talk
again tomorrow. John, thank you so much for your time.
I hope senior contributor David Zanadi is joining us. We're
talking about the impact of the Kirk memorial service. Let
me make sure in case you're just joining us five hours.
We don't suspect anybody watched all five hours, and we
(23:33):
can't control algorithms or the clips that people are going
to choose. So we did consume it in five hours,
and we looked at the length, the tone, the messaging,
and ultimately we look at remembering the man and in
some cases irreplaceable Charlie Kirk. But ultimately we're curious as
to how America consumes this and how then America moves forward.
(23:58):
That concerns us greatly. Hopefully it's towards more peaceful, just
as spirited, truthful debate as Charlie lived, but with that
same right measure of compassion and love and ultimate unity.
That's our hope. Anyway, David, in terms of the memorial
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service itself and the response, let me ask the question
I just asked of John Decker. How might the left
respond to this? I can tell you, honestly, having been
up longer than you and searching through everything, I can
tell you just Josh Shapiro is calling America to speak
against this killing, that it is wrong. It is the
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essence of what we are. That we believe in freedom
of speech and freedom of faith because we are thinking,
speaking people, and we are believing people, and no one
should be killed for that. I know that John Fetterman
has been very outspoken. Other than that, it seems like
the LAP is ready to continue on and fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
The very fact that we have to frame this in
that two sides of an argument, and we have to
frame it, and you're not advocating that, you're doing what
we all have to do, and that is to recognize
the fact that we have accepted the divisions. We have
accepted that we are no longer one people, that we
are two people fighting over the direction of the founding
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of our country, and they're therefore what we do every
single day and what we pay for and what we're
going to be and who we're going to be. The
essence of America was that it could not have happened
had we not become one people. That was the vision
of George Washington, and he watched that happen over the
period of the Revolutionary War. You know, not everybody was
(25:50):
on board with starting our own country, and it was
something that we grew into. And when we grew into it,
we were able by the time we got the seventeen
eighty seven from seventeen eighty six to begin a document
for how we would govern ourselves in regards to our
federal government, with the words we the people, and each
of our state constitutions reflected the same reality that true
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moral authority for civil government belongs with us, the people.
We have accepted a barbaric methodology that is netting what
you would expect, which is violence toward one another because
we've stopped seeing ourselves as one people trying to bring
forward the principles of our declaration and our constitution. Those
(26:36):
were words that were not abundant yesterday. Now that's saying
yesterday was the reflective moment of all reality. It was
a moment in time. You mentioned RFK an MLK. So
many situations that we've had where we have had political murdyers,
they didn't have tribute events of five hours.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So this is a phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I'm not going to put all the weight of that
on term Point or the survivors. I'm still wrestling with
what happened twelve days ago. It's still hard for me
to process that Charlie Kirk is dead, shot down in
cold blood. That way, it's very difficult to process. And
I'm removed from the situation. So I mean, I think
we're still struggling with this as a people. I think
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the objective is going to be is what will we
the people decide we want to be. Will we reject
the algorithm? Will we reject this idea that we have
to be shirts and skins us versus them, red versus blue?
And will we return to the notion that we have things.
We have more things that we believe in together than
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we should be arguing about.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And that's just not some polyannerials.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Benefiting who's benefiting from us all hating each other and
fighting all.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
The profiteers in high tech, in big tech.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
We made a group of people more wealthy than the
Vounder Brooks and the Melons and all of the people
of the Guild and Era by giving them all our
money while they gave us back this time technology and
now that's technology is hijacked and being manipulated by people
on a daily basis to monetize the living daylights out
of everything and to manipulate public opinion.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Best thing for us to shut it all off. Nobody
wants to hear that, though, right.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Of course, because like if Tucker meant that in repentance,
while we can't put our phones away.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Well, and again I'm not suggesting that the methodology of
the phone is evil. What I'm suggesting is the algorithmic
idea that followers, clicks, likes, et cetera, etcetera is dominating
our entire brain waves and that we're irreconcilably divorced from
one another is absurd.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You can't well, it certainly takes focus off of God
and puts it on self and puts it on other's
opinion of self. And if you you know, Paul said,
do not conform to the patterns of this world, but
be transformed daily. Charlie Kirk was a big fan of
being in the word daily.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
But I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Know, they would tell you, in their best defense, they
would tell you our job is to get you to
be online. You know what their scoreboard is, that little
thing that pops up on your phone once a week
that you averaged eight hours and thirty four minutes a day.
That's their victory. Now, if it turns out the political
outrage and divisiveness gets you to come the like if
(29:18):
you weren't, if we weren't so divided, would you be
going to ax as much? Would you be? You know
what I'm saying, and so in other words, even in
its best light, it's designed to hook you, keep you
coming back more often and staying longer, and have hatred
and political divide is what does it?
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Well?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Then those algorithms and they become the problem. But really,
as Tucker would suggest, maybe we're the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It's it's time. I think repentance is the right word
across the board. And again, Michael, I want to be
careful to not diminish the fact that we did see
something yesterday that is extraordinary and not common in our
life experience, and that's that so many people were gathered
in an environment where there was a liberal distribution of
(30:04):
what looks like Biblical Christianity, which what looks like genuine
music of worship, which which appears in sounds, and those
are kinds of words and sounds and statements and readings
from the Holy scriptures and confessions of personal guilt and
repentance that we are not seeing normally in our country,
certainly not with at least one branch, one side of
(30:27):
the political class gathering together and a seated administration in
that process.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
A seated administration is a kid, by the way.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
The reverse different experience, not to be minimized, No, not.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
To be minimized at all. But you could also anticipate
that the left will see Christian nationalism in that too.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, you know, you and I will be here tomorrow
and the next day to cover that battle is still here,
and it's still the wrong fight, and we have to
deal with it.
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Speaker 6 (31:58):
It's your Morning Show with Michael del Choano.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Listen, we're kind of just putting into perspective the five
hour memorial service for Charlie Kirk yesterday. Just a quick note,
Bill Maher and his Real Time with Bill Maher is
still an HBO show, but CNN and I don't know
how long this will last, as Bill Maher is certainly
going through an enlightening stage right now, and he's been
(32:25):
far rougher on the left than the right in the
last two to three years. But yes, you were watching
the encore presentation of Real Time with Bill Maher from
HBO and you saw something very interesting yesterday. David Sanadi,
our senior contributor with us.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Well, maybe this is a reflection on what's happening in
the discussion of Charlie Kirk because I saw Bill Maher
and Tom Homan have a conversation about immigration, and ma asked,
really pointed, very clever questions about aren't you just being
a little too heavy handed taking the waitress that's been
here for fourteen years and sending her back, And of
course the crowd was all baited to go. Yeah, the
media only recovered it based on covered it based on crowdoplause.
(33:03):
But Michael, what I heard with mar and Homan was
a very honest, significant conversation, and Homan explained to mar
how the laws work, why they're doing what they're doing,
and every single piece of it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
He explained the rationalit. Andy.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
He said, why are you screaming at me? If you
don't like the way the laws are being enforced, Go
to Congress because they.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Wrote the laws and give us better.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Suggestions on how to solve this.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And Bill Maher when it was over, thanked him and
shook his hand, and the two of them were having
a conversation that the audience wasn't even capable to comprehend. Now,
that is how we get somewhere in the country when
people stop and listen.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And I just have to do this for.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
What would you call it?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Backstory? Charlie Kirk was on with Bill Maher in his
podcast That's when You go down and Bill Maher's basement
and build smokes weed and drinks and talks to people,
and there was an awful lot of discussion about Jesus,
an awful lot of discussion about politics. And I can
tell you I'm noticing Bill Maher bringing more and more
(34:16):
powerful believers into that basement. Bill Maher has made his
whole life about being antagonistic towards faith, and I've said
this to David off there, so I'll say it on
the air. I'm watching a guy openly search And you know,
Bill Maher is was greatly impacted by Charlie Kirk's assassination.
(34:41):
He saw him as a good, reasonable man who thought
differently than him but did not deserve to be killed.
And he is disgusted with the way the left has
responded to the Charlie Kirk killing. So it'll be interesting
to watch going forward Bill Maher. I've always said Bill
Maher fled that could be powerful, as powerful as the
(35:02):
life Charlie Kirk lived.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Well, you can see that, Michael.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
This conversation is having impact in people, and I want
to commend Marco Rubio and Tucker Carlson and many people
who took the risk of bringing themselves and their personal
confessions into this. Yesterday was a historic moment. We'll have
to see it in context as the years unfold, because
I don't think it's a day that will be easily forgotten.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
But yesterday was a day we saw people's confessions. Now
let's see them live it moving forward, and I think
that can be a lasting memorial. Not only did Charlie Kirk,
but a restoration to our country. At least that's the hope, right,
David Sinati, thank you so much for your insights. All Right,
when we come back, Chris Walker, from a political perspective,
(35:47):
what becomes of Turning Point USA? And if Charlie Kirk's
martyrdom leads to a new, more powerful TPUSA like trump Ism,
does that become a unifying force for the party or
in ultimately a divisive part of the party. Where's Republicanism
in all of this? When your Morning show continues next.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael L. Joano.
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