September 22, 2025 • 36 mins
We visit with republican consultant Chris Walker about whether the Kirk martyrdom and TPUSA movement, like Trumpism, will become a unifying or divisive force for the Republican Party? Or something separate that they may or may not benefit from.
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Hey Michael, this is Michael from Cincinnati, Ohio.
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How about those Reds.
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We're in the playoffs.
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Playoffs.
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My friends and I got to the Charlie Kirk Memorial
at four point thirty in the morning. We were in line.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We did not make it in.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We went back to our friends home and we watched
all of it. It was one of the most powerful
things I've seen, and I wept through most of it
and I pray that some good comes from all of this.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Look at Erica Kirk's attire yesterday. Her black top was
covered by a white pants suit. It hit me this
morning this was a symbol of her faith. Her grief
was reflected in black, with the presence and holiness of
God covering that grief as worn in white.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'll add one other.
Speaker 8 (01:30):
He never made a reference to it, but you could
see her cross and the thicker chain surrounding it that
was under her blouse, which I believe was the cross
that Charlie was wearing at the time of his assassination.
As I said at the beginning of the show, it's
called your show, your morning show. I'm here to serve you,
not here to talk and be you know, looked up
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to or whatever. And so what happens is in mornings
like this, I care more about what you saw. I
care more about what you heard. I care more about
what inspired you. How you think? Then now we shall live.
And so I've been trying to give you a good
mix of what you all have been feeling through talkbacks
and through emails, as well as for those that want
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to know what I thought, I think I've shared that
if you missed any of my comments. Of course, there's
always the podcast. Blake wrote, If anything, the memorial created
a movement. Man is completely fatal without faith and hope.
If it got one person to question their life and
manage to return to God, it was all positive. Blake
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in Phoenix. Amen, I think there's been frequent references to
the scripture concerning if a grain of wheat falls and dies,
and that was certainly the case. The scripture ends up
being the exact time of the assassination, and certainly that's
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the case with Charlie Kirk. And I love those moments.
Does it mean the other moments don't matter? But I
love those moments like I think Tucker Carlson brought home
that points me.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
To make a decision.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
I think that's what's laying Charlie up the most in heaven,
and for me, my most powerful response is gratitude. Gratitude
for Charlie's life and his work and his service, but gratitude.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
For my life.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
The gift of this day today, the gift of my wife,
maybe in your case, your husband, your children, my children
are home, the gift of faith, the gift of hope,
the gift of God's faithfulness that I have seen throughout
my life. And I'm not called to be Charlie. I'm
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called to be me and rejoice in it, the good
the bad, and use my gifting around others in my life.
I don't want to be on campus tomorrow. I can't
do what Charlie Wood did, and it would be easy
to walk away from that and achieve nothing. But I
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can focus on my feet hitting the ground first thing
in the morning, Grateful, grateful from life, grateful for this day,
Grateful for eternity that's already begun, Grateful for all His
blessings around me. Living a life of gratitude, caring, loving
those around me, my kids, my wife, my friends, my
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co workers, serving them Now, that is the way to honor,
That is the actionable way to move forward. So I
love all the personal. But yes, there are people who
are focusing on their relationship with God. What a testimony
to Charlie Kirk. I watched all four hours when it
was five of the Charlie Kirk Memorial and was happy
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to see it was not a political rally, but was
Christ's focused there. Look, there were times that were mostly
Christ's focused. There were times that were political. There were
moments I loved more than others. That's going to happen
when you go five hours and have that many speakers.
That's why I'm going to feature the Tucker Carlson, I
want to feature Mikey McCoy, and I do want to
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feature his wife, Erica. Those widow Erica, those were three,
in my opinion, the most powerful.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
He says.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
So many negative responses were how fake it was and
it was just a show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well there's going to be the reaction.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Look, you do a five hour memorial for everyone to see,
everybody's in the room. That's why I thought it was
important that the president be everyone's president, not one side.
Same for the cabinet members and know that the opposition
is watching as.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, and do they feel welcome.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Satan scared my friend because the message of the Lord
is reaching more now than ever before.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, he's using listen. I'm telling you, I think he used.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
I think he used Charlie powerfully in life, and I
think he's definitely using it more powerfully in death. My
hope in prayers that people spend their time going back
and watching the things he said, rather than others trying
to be him. I hope that moving forward, because he
did such a wonderful job at it makes him almost irreplaceable,
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all right, twelve minutes after the hour, Chris Walker is
a Republican consultant. He's also a Your Morning Show contributor,
and Chris, I'm going to shamelessly be political right now.
There is no question that Charlie Kirk and Turning Point
USA was a powerful weapon for the Republican Party and
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a powerful movement for the conservative cause. We're all in
agreement there, right, So has trump Ism technically, But like
trump Ism, does this become a unifying or divisive force
for the Republican Party moving forward? That's a challenge for
the I mean, I know there were people on the
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left that saw Christian nationalism yesterday. I know they saw
a hatred and intolerance yesterday, regardless of how much people
were trying to be loving. What should republican Ism as
a party I have seen yesterday?
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Good morning, Michael. I think I think what your kind
of points at the beginning here was bought on in
terms of what Republicans should take away from it. And
you know, not making a political cry or a political rally,
but really you know, kind of hone in on what
Charley was actually about, which is faith and family. And
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you know, I was talking to somebody that's you was
speaking to a group this weekend and they're asking what
the R and C was going to do to you know,
kind of bring in, you know, this momentum of the
youth boat. And my point back was, what is this
room going to do? You know, this isn't about arena
and this is about you know, a church gathering that's
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going to have people that are going to come out
of that and build families and build community and you know,
have a connection with their with their neighbors. That's where
we really win. It's not a matter of a massive
politcal movement as much as it is hopefully an inspiration
for you know, the young people to get married, have kids,
have a family, and build a structure. We know that
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is the building bought for conservative principles and the values
of which Charlie was, you know, dedicated his life to.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Can I say something, I hope nobody sees this as negative.
If everybody just looks at Charlie, we don't change. If
everybody looks in the mirror into their own soul and
itself and changes the way they think, they search, they find,
they live. If they become better husbands, better wives, staying
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and raising and training up their children. Well, now you
have a movement that has changed America and probably the
Republican Party forever.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
That's right, it's the principles. It's not the politician or
the person. You know, a person is, you know, as
we've seen unfortunately, is temporary, but you know, a belief
structure and faith is forever. And so the more we
could kind of build from Charlie's you know, clear faith
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and clearer commitment to his principles, the more Republicans and Conservatives.
And I'm a conservative first. I mean, you know, it's
the republic Party's in the best vehicle most of the time,
but like this is a conservative issue. Actually we need
to build famous Actually, actually I.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Have an interrupt and I'm going to rebuke that because
I know you, and you're a friend. You are first
and foremost a believer, just like charge. You are then
secondly a husband, thirdly a father. I mean, we get
way down the list to conservative and way down the
list to Republican. But I think that's worthy of note,
right because right now, if if.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
When Charlie was alive.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
He was on campus, and I do believe this, Like
the meme says, he wasn't killed for what he said.
He was killed because people were listening and people were
changing their minds and people were voting. That's why he
was killed, all right, But it was perceived as hate
and intolerance. That was a movement for the Republican Party
benefit in death. If all the focus becomes I only Trump,
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I only trust Donald Trump, and I only trust turning
Point USA, that's not a victory for the Republican Party.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
That's right. That's right. It's not about turning points chapters.
It's about the lessons and the understanding of why what
he was saying was working. It was a faith, pro
family message, and you know a lot of conservative consultants
and political advisors in Washington reject that notion. So you know,
we need to That's the real point of Charlie and
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why he can tell the football stadium with people who
want to just share in a moment because they realized
what he was saying was the truth and not just
some vacuous level of it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We're visiting with Chris Walker all things Republican.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
On Mondays, I went out of my way, I felt like,
you know, God, what do you want me to do?
And I felt like God, share, will share what I
showed you, which was on gratitude for Charlie, for my life,
focus on the gift of my day and how God
uses me in my gifting. And the other was to
highlight Tucker Carlson because it may have been the most
perfect five minutes and fifty four seconds I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It was a C. S.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Lewis moment that was a giant in a room of understanding.
So I'm going to play that again coming up. I'm
going to dedicate sounds the day to him, Mikey McCoy,
and to Erica the widow. But part of me was
very concerned about how the left might have viewed this.
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So I knew predictably his widow forgiving the shooter would
be a big topic. I knew that I wanted people
to hear Tucker in totality. I think the president saying
he hates his enemies will play into their tyrant narrative.
And I think a lot on the left may have
saw Christian nationalism.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Do you think that's going to be the case.
Speaker 9 (12:18):
I mean, I've read a little bit about this morning,
and I think that's kind of hitting on the nose
of what most people are saying afterwards. You know, well,
we'll see, time will tell. Time is the ultimate arbiter
of all of this. I think what people need to
do is take not not one day or not one
you know kind of rally or you know, celebration of life,
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but you know, again really a point look at look
at themselves and figure out what what matters to them
and why why are they conservative? Why are they supporting
the president? Why are they supporting conservative principles? And you
know what what kind of leads from that?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
After that?
Speaker 9 (12:55):
You know, and again to me, as I've been thinking
about the last ten days, and you know, yesterday particular,
a lot of young people were kind of move to
action because of Charlie for political reasons. And that's fine,
but now they need to go start families, you know,
conservative families. You know, men and women married that have
children become conservative families agreed that you know, kind of
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last generations. Right, this is a generational struggle, not from
a turning point political side, but from a okay, now, now,
how do we apply these principles to you know, kind
of building the next generation of strong leaders and faith
and values. And if Charlie can be a vehicle for that,
great when I was a kid, was James Dobson. Maybe
Charlie Birk and you know, in his post postumous life
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can kind of be the same type of influence that
would be great for the country. And so I hope
these college kids learn not that partying and look, party
is fine, but like, let's let's keep your eye on
the ball. What really matters. It's not about staying out
till three in the morning, you know, for a for
fraturnity party. It's about finding someone that you and to
kind of build a family with. And that's the type
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of stuff that Charlie was really like, really solid about.
Actually saw that through Eric and we see that through
Erica every day.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
I saw this and I said this immediately after the assassination.
This is a big death. And I warned parents, this
is an MLK RFK death for your kids. You're just
not aware of how Charlie Kirk has reached them. And
he reached them both in faith and affirming the faith
they were raised in in a very hostile place like
university and college. And he reinforced some of the principles
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politically that are torn down when they're in the classroom.
It's a big death. And I warned every one of
them that's number one, number two, this is generational change
and generational influence. And I was grateful for the one
person who talked about this generation that's been reached and
nurturing them and maturing them and watering these seeds for
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those that are new in faith and those that are
new in conservativism. And I go back to the university
president and the story he told of Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
He talked to Charlie at a very.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Young age, and Charlie didn't understand and this might be
some things about this particular college that may cause some
of you to struggle. Get beyond that scar tissue and
just hear my analogy. But he talked about philosophers and
founding fathers and founding documents, and Charlie really wasn't up
on them, and he basically told the kid to go study.
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He hears back from him in two weeks and Charlie
had already completed six of their courses at their universe,
at their college.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But that was Charlie, So you know, you can't.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
You can't make God known unless you know God. And
Charlie sought God and knew him. That's why he loved him,
that's why he served him, that's why he was willing
to die for him. But he studied history, he studied civics,
He put the time in and that's what allowed him
to converse in debate the way he did. And unless
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you do that, you can't be him. But we can
all live in gratitude and see every day as a
gift and love and serve those us around with the
gifting that we have, or I pray this generation goes
and searches and fills in the blanks and the knowledge
the way Charlie did. I hope his curiosity and thirst
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for the truth and hunger for the truth is the
silent influence that nobody sees coming. That's my final word,
Your final take on Charlie Kirk and what he meant.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
Yeah, obviously, I mean, I just I agree with all
of that. The big key is, again, where do we
go from here? This is about looking, you know, building families,
building building strong foundations for the future. And that was
something that Charlie really he believed in the young people
for that very reason, and you know that optimism that
he was, you know, really the center of his existence
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and his outreach was on optimism and you know, a
positive future in bro That's that's the lesson.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
We need to take away from it, up against the heartbreak.
Thanks so much Chris for your insights. This is Dan
calling from Geary, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 8 (17:43):
Good morning, and thanks for bringing us along with you.
This is your day. Monday, September the twenty second, twenty
twenty five, the first day of fall, and this is
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
Can't have your morning show without your voice.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
To Linda in Phoenix, Arizona, listening to k f Y, I.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We going something about Trump. I did not feel that
he was everyone's president at the service yesterday he openly
said how much he hated his enemy.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, that's half.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The country or forty percent of the country, So can
you visit that part for me?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'd rather not. I thought it was a huge mistake
to say that, whether it was joking or not, and
I think most will receive it is not. I think
it plays right into the left tyrant narrative. I think
there's a lot on the left that saw Christian nationalism.
That's not how Charlie lived, but I think that's what
they saw. That was one of the worst comments. I
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can't believe nobody's brought up the fact that why is
it Donald Trump felt the need to bring Lee Greenwood
with him? Can the President not talk to the country
without Lee Greenwood? For speaking our singing? Rather, Look, you
had an event that chose to be public, and in
doing so, and then having that many members of the
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cabinet and the current president vice president, you had to
be careful of your tone, and they certainly weren't. It's
a tough five hour gig. A lot can go wrong
in five hours, and some did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know? It was.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
In some ways focused on christ and then in some
ways focused on Charlie and then in some ways focused
on politics, and that's a tough thing to juggle.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You certainly found the worst moment.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
No excuses for the president that should never leave his
lips and he's never not the president of the United States.
And that was not a political rally, that was supposed
to be a memorial service, And that was just some
of the built in challenges. That's why I choose to
be positive. And I would say I really loved Mikey McCoy.
I hope I can get that in. There's a section
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of Erica's speech I want you to hear, and the
only one that I I really want you to hear
is Tucker Carlson's in its entirety. Ripley a ripleader. A
lip reader tells us what the exchange was between Elon
Musk and the President and first Roy O'Neil, our national
correspondent with a recap of the Charlie Kirk memorial tens
of thousands, very long, and the tone I guess will
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be interpreted depending on the political spectrum you're from.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
But what was accomplished yesterday? I thought that the widow
Erica was just fantastic. I mean not only about her,
the moment of the speech where she said that she
would forgive the man who assassinated her husband. But the
whole speech itself, to your point, it touched on the religious,
it touched on the movement of turning Point USA, it
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got a little bit political, but she managed to bridge
the two better and more effectively than any of the speakers.
You know, Donald Trump has been criticized, Steven Miller has
been criticized for maybe being off message a little bit,
But boy, I thought she was perfect.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
If in my opinion, Tucker Carlson was the best. I
think Stephen Miller was the worst. But I mean because
you're you know, this can go one of two. This
is a turning point, and this can go back towards
finding common ground as Charlie did, debating but not hating
as Charlie did, uniting and not dividing as Charlie did.
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And you know, time will tell what this did. Some
of the speeches in some of the tones were very
you know, I wouldn't do a speech on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Warrior and that kind of thing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
We're not white where American citizens and out of many
were supposed to be one, so you know, I would
have probably been a little bit more careful with that.
But boy, I thought Tucker Carlson nailed it. I mean
I think that I wish pastors could nail it the
way he did.
Speaker 11 (21:51):
Yeah, I would love to hear someone. I would love
to have heard someone liberal essentially be on stage. They're saying,
you know, I didn't like what he said, but this
never should happen in this country. But I think that,
you know, then again, it is a memorial, it's not
a political speech. So yeah, I sort of struggled with
should they, shouldn't they? I don't know who it would
have been, but someone just sort of bridge that to
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say that this was an awful tragedy for all Americans,
not just those who agreed politically with Charlie.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Yeah, there were some great moments. I loved the Hillsdale College.
You know, Charlie was young, didn't understand philosophers, didn't understand
our founding fathers, didn't understand our finding founding documents, and
this president of this university kind of in an elitist way,
tells him to go get learned, and Charlie comes back
in a couple of weeks having already passed six of
their courses.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean that I loved I loved that story.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
You can't just go be Charlie today, not unless you
know God the way he did, not unless you hunger
and thirst for truth and study the way he did.
The biggest question is how does Turning Point move forward
without Charlie Kirk. He was such a unique, gifted, purposed individual.
I don't know that that answer comes through. I will
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say this, we have never not MLK, not our FK,
we have never seen a citizen get this many cabinet members,
a vice president, a president, a secretary of state, this
kind of treatment. It's unprecedented and it's a tribute to
the life he lived.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
Yeah, well, a remarkable, A remarkable event again, but about
one hundred thousand people between the two venues. Just incredible
to have that kind of a turnout on a Sunday,
Roy O'Neil, great coverage. Stay, we'll talk again tomorrow. I
wanted to feature this in its entirety. I did it
in the five o'clock hour. I'm going to do it now.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I am not criticizing the length five hours. I don't
know that there's many people that saw all five hours
and consumed it in context and in its entirety. And
therefore we're all left to have algorithms, and I suspect
a matrix response to this. The left will be playing
the clips of Trump saying he hates his enemies, probably
Stephen Miller talking about We're going to go after our
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enemies and destroy them. You know that kind of a thing.
Others will play things that are more glorifying. You'll see
what you want to see and take what you want
to take. I think one speaker in particular, in its entirety,
really covered it, covered it all in a way I
would want you to hear in its entirety. In other words,
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if you told me I didn't see any of it,
I couldn't watch all five hours or I missed it,
what would you play me?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I would play you this.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh, that made me emotional.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Made me emotional to see that Susie Wilds had tears
in her eyes.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
You don't often see in politics, but it's real.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
This is the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Whatever happens next in America, I hope it's in this
direction because God is here and you can feel it.
And Charlie would have loved this, not just because he
loved large groups of people, but because ultimately he was
a Christian evangelist. And it actually reminds me of my
favorite story ever. So it's about two thousand years ago
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in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and he starts talking
about the people in power, and he starts doing the
worst thing that you can do, which is telling the
truth about people, and they hate it, and they just
go bonkers. They hate it, and they become obsessed with
making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've
got to shut this guy up. And I can just
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sort of picture the scene in a lamplit room with
a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about
what do we do about this guy telling the truth
about us? We must make him stop talking. And there's
always one guy with the bright idea, and I can
just hear him say, I've got idea.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Why don't we just kill him. That'll shut him up, that'll.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fix the problem. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Everything is inverted, and the beatitudes tell it. I think
the most crisp believe everything is sort of the opposite
of the.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Way you think it's going to be. I want to
be first, be last, want to live die. We are
God's creation and a fallen nature. God has a different,
perfected nature. Not just's different from ours, it's opposite of ours.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Powerful truth lesson are those who mourn for they will
be comforted.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
That is true, and you can feel it here.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The thing about Charlie's message, I thought a lot about it,
and I'm trying not to be emotional because, in addition
everything else, he was a wonderful man and a decent man,
and one of those rare people you meet who you
just groove with in conversation and have these very intense
conversations that you don't stop thinking about, which is my
experience with him.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
But the main thing about Charlie and his.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Message, he was bringing the Gospel to the country.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
He was doing the thing that the people in.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Charge hate most, which is calling for them to repent.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
It is interesting if you wanted to reach a generation
for Christ, you might have thought, I'll go to Bible
college and I'll become a pastor. Everybody always says, isn't
it interesting Charlie refused to go to college. He thought
it was in doctrination, not education, and that you don't
get real education from university anyway. Imagine if you'd gone
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to Bible college, would you have reached this generation.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
No, it had to be from a direction they didn't
see coming. Another great point.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So, how is Charlie's message different? And Charlie was a
political person who was deeply interested in coalition, building it
and getting the right people in office because.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
He knew that vast improvements are possible politically.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But he also knew that politics is not the final answer.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
It can't answer the deepest questions.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Politics is not the final answer. It can't answer the
deepest questions. What a great way to summarize Charlie Kirk's
message and life. What a great truth and observation, What
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a great message.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Listen actually that the only real solution is Jesus.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
And the reason it's really simple.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Politics at its core is a process of critiquing other
people and getting them to change Christianity the Gospel message,
the message of Jesus begins with repentance. Christianity calls upon
you to change our core prayer given to us by Jesus,
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the Lord's prayer demands that we forgive other people. But
preceding that is a request for our forgiveness, in other words,
forgive us our sins, meditate on what we've done wrong,
how we've fallen short, and then it becomes possible to
forgive other people. That is a call to change our
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hearts from Jesus, and that is the only way forward
in this country. That is the only solution to where
we all know we're going. And Charlie knew where we
were going without that. And that is not a call
for being politically passive, of course not. I stood in
many stages with Charlie calling for various people to be elected,
particularly Donald, and I'm proud of that. It's only an
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acknowledgement that what Charlie was really saying is that change begins,
the only change that matters, when we repent of our sense.
We meet a recognition that the real problem is.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Me, not the left, not the angry, not the hateful,
not the career politician, not a party. Start in the mirror,
Start with your transgressions. That's the way to change yourself,
your eternity, and collectively the country. Is a powerful observation.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And how fallen I am. And that was the reason
that Charlie was fearless at all times truly fearless to
his last moment. He was unafraid, he was not defensive,
and there was no hate in his heart.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
The only way you can, I mean, anybody can just
say we are Charlie. Now. Really, have you dealt with
your sin the way Charlie did? Are you in righteousness
the way Charlie was? Did you know your God the
way Charlie did? Or when the apostles went off on
their own without the Holy Spirit, they came back beating
up careful moving forward, trying to beat Charlie when you
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don't have his learned experiential relationship and knowledge, Just start
with you and God. That's where Charlie started. Wow, I
love this message.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know that because I've got a little hate compartment
in my heart. And I would often express that to Charlie.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
About various people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And he would always say, always say, that's a sad person,
that's a broken person. That's a person who needs help,
that's a person needs Jesus.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
He said that in private.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Because he meant it, so I guess I would just say,
this gathering and God's presence, God's very obvious presence in
this room, The presence of Jesus is a reminder of
what we've known for two thousand years, which is any
attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter
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every single time.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
So as we.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
As we proceed into whatever comes next, and clearly something's
coming next, remember this moment. Remember being in a room
with the Holy Spirit coming like a tuning fork. This
is the way right here, this is the way. And
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that is what Charlie Kirk was saying underneath it all,
thank you and God bless.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
And that's why I thank God for the work he
did through Charlie Kirk. I'll miss him forever. I hope
his influence grows, and I thank God Tucker Carlson. In fact,
had you just done, Tucker Carlson and then the altar
call that started at all That's.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Church, It's your morning show with Michael del Johno.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Charlie Cook did more to reach.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Unbelieving, non believing people and get them to hear the
Gospel than all the preachers in America put together.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
We preachers need to think about that. I assume that's
a preacher from Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
You know, throughout all of this, I wanted to make
sure I didn't make Charlie more in death than he
was in life. I also wanted to make sure I
didn't miss what he was in life.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And I have spent.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Who knows thirteen fourteen hours watching every clip that is
anywhere on the internet, because I wanted to be prepared
for what enemies may use.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And I'm very proud of my brother.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
And at the end, his doctrine was flawless, his tone
was flawless, his compassion and love was flawless, his civics
was strong.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I was struck by.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Erica's statement, and everyone will play that I forgive him
and missed the beginning of it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I didn't want you to.
Speaker 10 (34:49):
But Charlie's mission, above all was aimed directly at those
who aren't married. He named his organization well. He knew
things were not right with America, and especially with.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Young people, and they needed a new direction.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
Charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost boys
of the West, the young men who feel like they
have no direction, no purpose, no faith, and no reason
to live. The men wasting their lives on distractions, and
the men consumed with resentment, anger and hate. Charlie wanted
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to help them. He wanted them to have a home
with Turning Point USA, and when he went on to campus,
he was looking to show them.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
A better path and he did.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
His life was taken by one that he was trying
to reach. It's probably where she finds the forgiveness. Look,
I don't know how we move forward. I just know
we move forward without Charlie. But where we go, it's
no longer Charlie's responsibility, it's ours.
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My friends and I got to the Charlie Kirk Memorial
at four point thirty in the morning. We were in line.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We did not make it in.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We went back to our friends home and we watched
all of it. It was one of the most powerful
things I've seen, and I wept through most of it
and I pray that some good comes from all of this.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Look at Erica Kirk's attire yesterday. Her black top was
covered by a white pants suit. It hit me this
morning this was a symbol of her faith. Her grief
was reflected in black, with the presence and holiness of
God covering that grief as worn in white.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'll add one other.
Speaker 8 (01:30):
He never made a reference to it, but you could
see her cross and the thicker chain surrounding it that
was under her blouse, which I believe was the cross
that Charlie was wearing at the time of his assassination.
As I said at the beginning of the show, it's
called your show, your morning show. I'm here to serve you,
not here to talk and be you know, looked up
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to or whatever. And so what happens is in mornings
like this, I care more about what you saw. I
care more about what you heard. I care more about
what inspired you. How you think? Then now we shall live.
And so I've been trying to give you a good
mix of what you all have been feeling through talkbacks
and through emails, as well as for those that want
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to know what I thought, I think I've shared that
if you missed any of my comments. Of course, there's
always the podcast. Blake wrote, If anything, the memorial created
a movement. Man is completely fatal without faith and hope.
If it got one person to question their life and
manage to return to God, it was all positive. Blake
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in Phoenix. Amen, I think there's been frequent references to
the scripture concerning if a grain of wheat falls and dies,
and that was certainly the case. The scripture ends up
being the exact time of the assassination, and certainly that's
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the case with Charlie Kirk. And I love those moments.
Does it mean the other moments don't matter? But I
love those moments like I think Tucker Carlson brought home
that points me.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
To make a decision.
Speaker 8 (03:10):
I think that's what's laying Charlie up the most in heaven,
and for me, my most powerful response is gratitude. Gratitude
for Charlie's life and his work and his service, but gratitude.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
For my life.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
The gift of this day today, the gift of my wife,
maybe in your case, your husband, your children, my children
are home, the gift of faith, the gift of hope,
the gift of God's faithfulness that I have seen throughout
my life. And I'm not called to be Charlie. I'm
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called to be me and rejoice in it, the good
the bad, and use my gifting around others in my life.
I don't want to be on campus tomorrow. I can't
do what Charlie Wood did, and it would be easy
to walk away from that and achieve nothing. But I
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can focus on my feet hitting the ground first thing
in the morning, Grateful, grateful from life, grateful for this day,
Grateful for eternity that's already begun, Grateful for all His
blessings around me. Living a life of gratitude, caring, loving
those around me, my kids, my wife, my friends, my
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co workers, serving them Now, that is the way to honor,
That is the actionable way to move forward. So I
love all the personal. But yes, there are people who
are focusing on their relationship with God. What a testimony
to Charlie Kirk. I watched all four hours when it
was five of the Charlie Kirk Memorial and was happy
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to see it was not a political rally, but was
Christ's focused there. Look, there were times that were mostly
Christ's focused. There were times that were political. There were
moments I loved more than others. That's going to happen
when you go five hours and have that many speakers.
That's why I'm going to feature the Tucker Carlson, I
want to feature Mikey McCoy, and I do want to
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feature his wife, Erica. Those widow Erica, those were three,
in my opinion, the most powerful.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
He says.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
So many negative responses were how fake it was and
it was just a show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well there's going to be the reaction.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Look, you do a five hour memorial for everyone to see,
everybody's in the room. That's why I thought it was
important that the president be everyone's president, not one side.
Same for the cabinet members and know that the opposition
is watching as.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, and do they feel welcome.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
Satan scared my friend because the message of the Lord
is reaching more now than ever before.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, he's using listen. I'm telling you, I think he used.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
I think he used Charlie powerfully in life, and I
think he's definitely using it more powerfully in death. My
hope in prayers that people spend their time going back
and watching the things he said, rather than others trying
to be him. I hope that moving forward, because he
did such a wonderful job at it makes him almost irreplaceable,
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all right, twelve minutes after the hour, Chris Walker is
a Republican consultant. He's also a Your Morning Show contributor,
and Chris, I'm going to shamelessly be political right now.
There is no question that Charlie Kirk and Turning Point
USA was a powerful weapon for the Republican Party and
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a powerful movement for the conservative cause. We're all in
agreement there, right, So has trump Ism technically, But like
trump Ism, does this become a unifying or divisive force
for the Republican Party moving forward? That's a challenge for
the I mean, I know there were people on the
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left that saw Christian nationalism yesterday. I know they saw
a hatred and intolerance yesterday, regardless of how much people
were trying to be loving. What should republican Ism as
a party I have seen yesterday?
Speaker 9 (07:18):
Good morning, Michael. I think I think what your kind
of points at the beginning here was bought on in
terms of what Republicans should take away from it. And
you know, not making a political cry or a political rally,
but really you know, kind of hone in on what
Charley was actually about, which is faith and family. And
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you know, I was talking to somebody that's you was
speaking to a group this weekend and they're asking what
the R and C was going to do to you know,
kind of bring in, you know, this momentum of the
youth boat. And my point back was, what is this
room going to do? You know, this isn't about arena
and this is about you know, a church gathering that's
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going to have people that are going to come out
of that and build families and build community and you know,
have a connection with their with their neighbors. That's where
we really win. It's not a matter of a massive
politcal movement as much as it is hopefully an inspiration
for you know, the young people to get married, have kids,
have a family, and build a structure. We know that
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is the building bought for conservative principles and the values
of which Charlie was, you know, dedicated his life to.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Can I say something, I hope nobody sees this as negative.
If everybody just looks at Charlie, we don't change. If
everybody looks in the mirror into their own soul and
itself and changes the way they think, they search, they find,
they live. If they become better husbands, better wives, staying
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and raising and training up their children. Well, now you
have a movement that has changed America and probably the
Republican Party forever.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
That's right, it's the principles. It's not the politician or
the person. You know, a person is, you know, as
we've seen unfortunately, is temporary, but you know, a belief
structure and faith is forever. And so the more we
could kind of build from Charlie's you know, clear faith
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and clearer commitment to his principles, the more Republicans and Conservatives.
And I'm a conservative first. I mean, you know, it's
the republic Party's in the best vehicle most of the time,
but like this is a conservative issue. Actually we need
to build famous Actually, actually I.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
Have an interrupt and I'm going to rebuke that because
I know you, and you're a friend. You are first
and foremost a believer, just like charge. You are then
secondly a husband, thirdly a father. I mean, we get
way down the list to conservative and way down the
list to Republican. But I think that's worthy of note,
right because right now, if if.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
When Charlie was alive.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
He was on campus, and I do believe this, Like
the meme says, he wasn't killed for what he said.
He was killed because people were listening and people were
changing their minds and people were voting. That's why he
was killed, all right, But it was perceived as hate
and intolerance. That was a movement for the Republican Party
benefit in death. If all the focus becomes I only Trump,
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I only trust Donald Trump, and I only trust turning
Point USA, that's not a victory for the Republican Party.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
That's right. That's right. It's not about turning points chapters.
It's about the lessons and the understanding of why what
he was saying was working. It was a faith, pro
family message, and you know a lot of conservative consultants
and political advisors in Washington reject that notion. So you know,
we need to That's the real point of Charlie and
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why he can tell the football stadium with people who
want to just share in a moment because they realized
what he was saying was the truth and not just
some vacuous level of it.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
We're visiting with Chris Walker all things Republican.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
On Mondays, I went out of my way, I felt like,
you know, God, what do you want me to do?
And I felt like God, share, will share what I
showed you, which was on gratitude for Charlie, for my life,
focus on the gift of my day and how God
uses me in my gifting. And the other was to
highlight Tucker Carlson because it may have been the most
perfect five minutes and fifty four seconds I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It was a C. S.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
Lewis moment that was a giant in a room of understanding.
So I'm going to play that again coming up. I'm
going to dedicate sounds the day to him, Mikey McCoy,
and to Erica the widow. But part of me was
very concerned about how the left might have viewed this.
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So I knew predictably his widow forgiving the shooter would
be a big topic. I knew that I wanted people
to hear Tucker in totality. I think the president saying
he hates his enemies will play into their tyrant narrative.
And I think a lot on the left may have
saw Christian nationalism.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Do you think that's going to be the case.
Speaker 9 (12:18):
I mean, I've read a little bit about this morning,
and I think that's kind of hitting on the nose
of what most people are saying afterwards. You know, well,
we'll see, time will tell. Time is the ultimate arbiter
of all of this. I think what people need to
do is take not not one day or not one
you know kind of rally or you know, celebration of life,
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but you know, again really a point look at look
at themselves and figure out what what matters to them
and why why are they conservative? Why are they supporting
the president? Why are they supporting conservative principles? And you
know what what kind of leads from that?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
After that?
Speaker 9 (12:55):
You know, and again to me, as I've been thinking
about the last ten days, and you know, yesterday particular,
a lot of young people were kind of move to
action because of Charlie for political reasons. And that's fine,
but now they need to go start families, you know,
conservative families. You know, men and women married that have
children become conservative families agreed that you know, kind of
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last generations. Right, this is a generational struggle, not from
a turning point political side, but from a okay, now, now,
how do we apply these principles to you know, kind
of building the next generation of strong leaders and faith
and values. And if Charlie can be a vehicle for that,
great when I was a kid, was James Dobson. Maybe
Charlie Birk and you know, in his post postumous life
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can kind of be the same type of influence that
would be great for the country. And so I hope
these college kids learn not that partying and look, party
is fine, but like, let's let's keep your eye on
the ball. What really matters. It's not about staying out
till three in the morning, you know, for a for
fraturnity party. It's about finding someone that you and to
kind of build a family with. And that's the type
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of stuff that Charlie was really like, really solid about.
Actually saw that through Eric and we see that through
Erica every day.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
I saw this and I said this immediately after the assassination.
This is a big death. And I warned parents, this
is an MLK RFK death for your kids. You're just
not aware of how Charlie Kirk has reached them. And
he reached them both in faith and affirming the faith
they were raised in in a very hostile place like
university and college. And he reinforced some of the principles
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politically that are torn down when they're in the classroom.
It's a big death. And I warned every one of
them that's number one, number two, this is generational change
and generational influence. And I was grateful for the one
person who talked about this generation that's been reached and
nurturing them and maturing them and watering these seeds for
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those that are new in faith and those that are
new in conservativism. And I go back to the university
president and the story he told of Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
He talked to Charlie at a very.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Young age, and Charlie didn't understand and this might be
some things about this particular college that may cause some
of you to struggle. Get beyond that scar tissue and
just hear my analogy. But he talked about philosophers and
founding fathers and founding documents, and Charlie really wasn't up
on them, and he basically told the kid to go study.
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He hears back from him in two weeks and Charlie
had already completed six of their courses at their universe,
at their college.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But that was Charlie, So you know, you can't.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
You can't make God known unless you know God. And
Charlie sought God and knew him. That's why he loved him,
that's why he served him, that's why he was willing
to die for him. But he studied history, he studied civics,
He put the time in and that's what allowed him
to converse in debate the way he did. And unless
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you do that, you can't be him. But we can
all live in gratitude and see every day as a
gift and love and serve those us around with the
gifting that we have, or I pray this generation goes
and searches and fills in the blanks and the knowledge
the way Charlie did. I hope his curiosity and thirst
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for the truth and hunger for the truth is the
silent influence that nobody sees coming. That's my final word,
Your final take on Charlie Kirk and what he meant.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
Yeah, obviously, I mean, I just I agree with all
of that. The big key is, again, where do we
go from here? This is about looking, you know, building families,
building building strong foundations for the future. And that was
something that Charlie really he believed in the young people
for that very reason, and you know that optimism that
he was, you know, really the center of his existence
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and his outreach was on optimism and you know, a
positive future in bro That's that's the lesson.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
We need to take away from it, up against the heartbreak.
Thanks so much Chris for your insights. This is Dan
calling from Geary, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
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Speaker 8 (17:43):
Good morning, and thanks for bringing us along with you.
This is your day. Monday, September the twenty second, twenty
twenty five, the first day of fall, and this is
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Speaker 1 (17:53):
Can't have your morning show without your voice.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
To Linda in Phoenix, Arizona, listening to k f Y, I.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
We going something about Trump. I did not feel that
he was everyone's president at the service yesterday he openly
said how much he hated his enemy.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, that's half.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The country or forty percent of the country, So can
you visit that part for me?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I'd rather not. I thought it was a huge mistake
to say that, whether it was joking or not, and
I think most will receive it is not. I think
it plays right into the left tyrant narrative. I think
there's a lot on the left that saw Christian nationalism.
That's not how Charlie lived, but I think that's what
they saw. That was one of the worst comments. I
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can't believe nobody's brought up the fact that why is
it Donald Trump felt the need to bring Lee Greenwood
with him? Can the President not talk to the country
without Lee Greenwood? For speaking our singing? Rather, Look, you
had an event that chose to be public, and in
doing so, and then having that many members of the
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cabinet and the current president vice president, you had to
be careful of your tone, and they certainly weren't. It's
a tough five hour gig. A lot can go wrong
in five hours, and some did.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know? It was.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
In some ways focused on christ and then in some
ways focused on Charlie and then in some ways focused
on politics, and that's a tough thing to juggle.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You certainly found the worst moment.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
No excuses for the president that should never leave his
lips and he's never not the president of the United States.
And that was not a political rally, that was supposed
to be a memorial service, And that was just some
of the built in challenges. That's why I choose to
be positive. And I would say I really loved Mikey McCoy.
I hope I can get that in. There's a section
(19:56):
of Erica's speech I want you to hear, and the
only one that I I really want you to hear
is Tucker Carlson's in its entirety. Ripley a ripleader. A
lip reader tells us what the exchange was between Elon
Musk and the President and first Roy O'Neil, our national
correspondent with a recap of the Charlie Kirk memorial tens
of thousands, very long, and the tone I guess will
(20:18):
be interpreted depending on the political spectrum you're from.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
But what was accomplished yesterday? I thought that the widow
Erica was just fantastic. I mean not only about her,
the moment of the speech where she said that she
would forgive the man who assassinated her husband. But the
whole speech itself, to your point, it touched on the religious,
it touched on the movement of turning Point USA, it
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got a little bit political, but she managed to bridge
the two better and more effectively than any of the speakers.
You know, Donald Trump has been criticized, Steven Miller has
been criticized for maybe being off message a little bit,
But boy, I thought she was perfect.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
If in my opinion, Tucker Carlson was the best. I
think Stephen Miller was the worst. But I mean because
you're you know, this can go one of two. This
is a turning point, and this can go back towards
finding common ground as Charlie did, debating but not hating
as Charlie did, uniting and not dividing as Charlie did.
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And you know, time will tell what this did. Some
of the speeches in some of the tones were very
you know, I wouldn't do a speech on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Warrior and that kind of thing.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
We're not white where American citizens and out of many
were supposed to be one, so you know, I would
have probably been a little bit more careful with that.
But boy, I thought Tucker Carlson nailed it. I mean
I think that I wish pastors could nail it the
way he did.
Speaker 11 (21:51):
Yeah, I would love to hear someone. I would love
to have heard someone liberal essentially be on stage. They're saying,
you know, I didn't like what he said, but this
never should happen in this country. But I think that,
you know, then again, it is a memorial, it's not
a political speech. So yeah, I sort of struggled with
should they, shouldn't they? I don't know who it would
have been, but someone just sort of bridge that to
(22:14):
say that this was an awful tragedy for all Americans,
not just those who agreed politically with Charlie.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Yeah, there were some great moments. I loved the Hillsdale College.
You know, Charlie was young, didn't understand philosophers, didn't understand
our founding fathers, didn't understand our finding founding documents, and
this president of this university kind of in an elitist way,
tells him to go get learned, and Charlie comes back
in a couple of weeks having already passed six of
their courses.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean that I loved I loved that story.
Speaker 8 (22:43):
You can't just go be Charlie today, not unless you
know God the way he did, not unless you hunger
and thirst for truth and study the way he did.
The biggest question is how does Turning Point move forward
without Charlie Kirk. He was such a unique, gifted, purposed individual.
I don't know that that answer comes through. I will
(23:06):
say this, we have never not MLK, not our FK,
we have never seen a citizen get this many cabinet members,
a vice president, a president, a secretary of state, this
kind of treatment. It's unprecedented and it's a tribute to
the life he lived.
Speaker 11 (23:26):
Yeah, well, a remarkable, A remarkable event again, but about
one hundred thousand people between the two venues. Just incredible
to have that kind of a turnout on a Sunday,
Roy O'Neil, great coverage. Stay, we'll talk again tomorrow. I
wanted to feature this in its entirety. I did it
in the five o'clock hour. I'm going to do it now.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I am not criticizing the length five hours. I don't
know that there's many people that saw all five hours
and consumed it in context and in its entirety. And
therefore we're all left to have algorithms, and I suspect
a matrix response to this. The left will be playing
the clips of Trump saying he hates his enemies, probably
Stephen Miller talking about We're going to go after our
(24:06):
enemies and destroy them. You know that kind of a thing.
Others will play things that are more glorifying. You'll see
what you want to see and take what you want
to take. I think one speaker in particular, in its entirety,
really covered it, covered it all in a way I
would want you to hear in its entirety. In other words,
(24:27):
if you told me I didn't see any of it,
I couldn't watch all five hours or I missed it,
what would you play me?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I would play you this.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh, that made me emotional.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Made me emotional to see that Susie Wilds had tears
in her eyes.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
You don't often see in politics, but it's real.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
This is the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Whatever happens next in America, I hope it's in this
direction because God is here and you can feel it.
And Charlie would have loved this, not just because he
loved large groups of people, but because ultimately he was
a Christian evangelist. And it actually reminds me of my
favorite story ever. So it's about two thousand years ago
(25:18):
in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and he starts talking
about the people in power, and he starts doing the
worst thing that you can do, which is telling the
truth about people, and they hate it, and they just
go bonkers. They hate it, and they become obsessed with
making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've
got to shut this guy up. And I can just
(25:40):
sort of picture the scene in a lamplit room with
a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about
what do we do about this guy telling the truth
about us? We must make him stop talking. And there's
always one guy with the bright idea, and I can
just hear him say, I've got idea.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Why don't we just kill him. That'll shut him up, that'll.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Fix the problem. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Everything is inverted, and the beatitudes tell it. I think
the most crisp believe everything is sort of the opposite
of the.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Way you think it's going to be. I want to
be first, be last, want to live die. We are
God's creation and a fallen nature. God has a different,
perfected nature. Not just's different from ours, it's opposite of ours.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Powerful truth lesson are those who mourn for they will
be comforted.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
That is true, and you can feel it here.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The thing about Charlie's message, I thought a lot about it,
and I'm trying not to be emotional because, in addition
everything else, he was a wonderful man and a decent man,
and one of those rare people you meet who you
just groove with in conversation and have these very intense
conversations that you don't stop thinking about, which is my
experience with him.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
But the main thing about Charlie and his.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Message, he was bringing the Gospel to the country.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
He was doing the thing that the people in.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Charge hate most, which is calling for them to repent.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
It is interesting if you wanted to reach a generation
for Christ, you might have thought, I'll go to Bible
college and I'll become a pastor. Everybody always says, isn't
it interesting Charlie refused to go to college. He thought
it was in doctrination, not education, and that you don't
get real education from university anyway. Imagine if you'd gone
(27:44):
to Bible college, would you have reached this generation.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
No, it had to be from a direction they didn't
see coming. Another great point.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So, how is Charlie's message different? And Charlie was a
political person who was deeply interested in coalition, building it
and getting the right people in office because.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
He knew that vast improvements are possible politically.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
But he also knew that politics is not the final answer.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
It can't answer the deepest questions.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Politics is not the final answer. It can't answer the
deepest questions. What a great way to summarize Charlie Kirk's
message and life. What a great truth and observation, What
(28:41):
a great message.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Listen actually that the only real solution is Jesus.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
And the reason it's really simple.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Politics at its core is a process of critiquing other
people and getting them to change Christianity the Gospel message,
the message of Jesus begins with repentance. Christianity calls upon
you to change our core prayer given to us by Jesus,
(29:18):
the Lord's prayer demands that we forgive other people. But
preceding that is a request for our forgiveness, in other words,
forgive us our sins, meditate on what we've done wrong,
how we've fallen short, and then it becomes possible to
forgive other people. That is a call to change our
(29:40):
hearts from Jesus, and that is the only way forward
in this country. That is the only solution to where
we all know we're going. And Charlie knew where we
were going without that. And that is not a call
for being politically passive, of course not. I stood in
many stages with Charlie calling for various people to be elected,
particularly Donald, and I'm proud of that. It's only an
(30:03):
acknowledgement that what Charlie was really saying is that change begins,
the only change that matters, when we repent of our sense.
We meet a recognition that the real problem is.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Me, not the left, not the angry, not the hateful,
not the career politician, not a party. Start in the mirror,
Start with your transgressions. That's the way to change yourself,
your eternity, and collectively the country. Is a powerful observation.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And how fallen I am. And that was the reason
that Charlie was fearless at all times truly fearless to
his last moment. He was unafraid, he was not defensive,
and there was no hate in his heart.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
The only way you can, I mean, anybody can just
say we are Charlie. Now. Really, have you dealt with
your sin the way Charlie did? Are you in righteousness
the way Charlie was? Did you know your God the
way Charlie did? Or when the apostles went off on
their own without the Holy Spirit, they came back beating
up careful moving forward, trying to beat Charlie when you
(31:23):
don't have his learned experiential relationship and knowledge, Just start
with you and God. That's where Charlie started. Wow, I
love this message.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I know that because I've got a little hate compartment
in my heart. And I would often express that to Charlie.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
About various people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And he would always say, always say, that's a sad person,
that's a broken person. That's a person who needs help,
that's a person needs Jesus.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
He said that in private.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Because he meant it, so I guess I would just say,
this gathering and God's presence, God's very obvious presence in
this room, The presence of Jesus is a reminder of
what we've known for two thousand years, which is any
attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter
(32:16):
every single time.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
So as we.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
As we proceed into whatever comes next, and clearly something's
coming next, remember this moment. Remember being in a room
with the Holy Spirit coming like a tuning fork. This
is the way right here, this is the way. And
(32:45):
that is what Charlie Kirk was saying underneath it all,
thank you and God bless.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
And that's why I thank God for the work he
did through Charlie Kirk. I'll miss him forever. I hope
his influence grows, and I thank God Tucker Carlson. In fact,
had you just done, Tucker Carlson and then the altar
call that started at all That's.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Church, It's your morning show with Michael del Johno.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Charlie Cook did more to reach.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Unbelieving, non believing people and get them to hear the
Gospel than all the preachers in America put together.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
We preachers need to think about that. I assume that's
a preacher from Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
You know, throughout all of this, I wanted to make
sure I didn't make Charlie more in death than he
was in life. I also wanted to make sure I
didn't miss what he was in life.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And I have spent.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Who knows thirteen fourteen hours watching every clip that is
anywhere on the internet, because I wanted to be prepared
for what enemies may use.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And I'm very proud of my brother.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
And at the end, his doctrine was flawless, his tone
was flawless, his compassion and love was flawless, his civics
was strong.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I was struck by.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Erica's statement, and everyone will play that I forgive him
and missed the beginning of it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I didn't want you to.
Speaker 10 (34:49):
But Charlie's mission, above all was aimed directly at those
who aren't married. He named his organization well. He knew
things were not right with America, and especially with.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Young people, and they needed a new direction.
Speaker 10 (35:10):
Charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost boys
of the West, the young men who feel like they
have no direction, no purpose, no faith, and no reason
to live. The men wasting their lives on distractions, and
the men consumed with resentment, anger and hate. Charlie wanted
(35:36):
to help them. He wanted them to have a home
with Turning Point USA, and when he went on to campus,
he was looking to show them.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
A better path and he did.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
His life was taken by one that he was trying
to reach. It's probably where she finds the forgiveness. Look,
I don't know how we move forward. I just know
we move forward without Charlie. But where we go, it's
no longer Charlie's responsibility, it's ours.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
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