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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jordan, who was Joshua wand the shooter at the ice
facility in Dallas. More on that with Rory O'Neill. Next
half hour. David bonson Our Money was an economist in
a moment with some bad news for catchup four oh
one k investors and perhaps some good news for home sellers.
But first things first, suffer not by Lisda's under the
(00:57):
Welcome to Thursday, September the twenty fifth, twenty two, twenty five.
This is your morning show. Good morning, gentlemen. I'd just
like to let you know that I too will be
having a meeting with hungry and turkey towards the end
of November. James call me is a trader. James call
me is a trader. James Colly is a trader. I
(01:18):
just stop. James call me as a trader. James call
me is a trader.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Good morning, This is Mary. Why I'm a little concerned.
I'm just hoping that we can get a snake update.
Is this a domesticated serpent or an intruder from outdoors?
Is pizza girl? Okay, what's the latest? Thanks, have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I never thought to call my wife pizza girl. It's
a corn snake. It was my daughter's pet corn snake,
quite the little escape artist. And she's been loose now
going on two months, and we don't smell anything, so
she's still alive. The snake expert tells us she's here somewhere. Wow,
(02:01):
we just simply can't find her. And every now and
then Andrew finds it funny to just remind me Meanwhile,
just when you think everything's getting bad in the world,
we still have a snake somewhere in the house roaming. Oh,
David Bonsen, why didn't I have children that weren't like me?
My kids are like me. The more they know people,
the more they love animals. And they filled the house
with them, and some of them are loose. All right,
we got mixed bag of news. One for higher earners
(02:25):
age fifty and older. Some changes coming to the four
toh one K. You'll still be able to do catch up,
you just won't be able to do a tax free
I guess right.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Well, I don't really it's about tax free. It's about
the deductibility.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
On the front end. I mean the you know, you always.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Paid taxes on the withdrawl, so they you still are
able to do the normal deferral and you're still able
to get the catchup for over fifty and so they're
not really a sizable.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Change has come.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
They have been waiting to clarify some of the mechanics
in the Secure two point zero Act.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, yeah, because that was gonna be my question. If
when I do a four to oh one K, I'm
able to save it a percentage before taxes, which is
one of the advantages, but then I pay taxes as
I'm withdrawing the money later in retirement or unfortunately, as
many do prior to retirement. Okay, get that, but if
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you're going to allow a catchup and it's after tax.
That's kind of more like an IRA, right, then you
shouldn't pay taxes on the front and the back, should you?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
You don't pay it on the back.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So that's all they did is say that the catchup
now starting in twenty twenty seven, so this doesn't kick
in for two more years. The catch up part has
to go to a roths, so it's now all the
earnings of that are going to be tax free, and
then the withdrawal is tax free, but you don't get
the deduction for the catch up part going in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, it's funny how when you have kids older
like I did, your perspective is so different. If i'd
have had them in my twenties, I'd have been so
busy building my career. I'd have missed all this. But
now they're at an age, and it's funny how laser
my advice is because I've learned all these lessons. If
I could go back and change anything, and I did
a whole sermon this morning on choices I wouldn't have
(04:26):
touched under any circumstance my four oh one k throughout
the years, I'd be a multimillionaire today, but we often
use it and withdraw it, borrow from it. You know,
we do everything to abuse that account, and then employers
just don't match like they used to. How do you
(04:46):
you know, what's your perspective on four oh one k's
and versus roth iras And I mean, I know we're
all in agreement on the personal responsibility of X money
goes to tie, X money goes to emergency fund, X
money goes to long term retirement and taking a responsibility
on that. But is the four oh one k everything
that used to be, Well.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's way bigger than it's ever been. First of all,
the employers are matching more than they ever have.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's just that the percentage.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Amount maybe lower for some, but the amount of employers
matching is higher than it's ever been. And because of
these safe harbor for one case, there's a surprising amount
of employers we actually do this at my firm that
contribute even if the employee is not contributing. Where traditionally
(05:36):
the only money from the employer was coming as a
match of what the employer er was putting in. Now
more and more companies are even doing their own. Look,
I don't you used to have a very small amount
you can put in, and it's gone up and up
and up every year, and then they have had these
catch up contributions.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
As harsh as it may sound, this does certainly down
to the efficacy of these really being in the hands
of the person. I mean, the irs has given you
this great vehicle to be able to contribute. There's tons
of investment options, there's pretty high limits.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The limits are generally.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Higher than most people can afford to put in anyways,
and all kinds of text benefits. The challenge is what
you said that it does give people the ability to
withdraw from it along the way and borrow from it,
and far too many people do that. So I don't
know what the solution is to that, other than people
not borrowing from it, and that you know, when they
(06:38):
have a pension, they couldn't borrow from it. And so
that's the funny thing about it is it almost seems
like the only way to make it better is to
not allow the option, But then of course people would
be upset that they didn't have the options.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Have the option. Yeah, although I will tell you it
has been used more as an emergency fund, and it
was it was intended to be two different things. Everyone
should max out there four oh one K. From a
tax advantage standpoint, that's a no brainer. I once tried
to do the math, and it's impossible to do because
what you don't realize when you borrow against your four
(07:11):
roh one k, Well, at least you're paying yourself back,
but you've missed a lot by taking the money out
as the market steadily grows, So that's always tough to predict.
But I'm thinking if I hadn't touched my and by way,
the four oh one k's came out when I was
making really good money in my early twenties, and I
would contribute the maximum. I'm guessing my mistakes cost me
(07:34):
maybe as much as five million dollars. But again, the
exejeet is use the four oh one k, never touch it.
Your emergency fund is for emergencies. That's for retirement. And
then you get to the age old question how much
will it take in retirement? Well that depends if you
retire with your home paid off or not, and other things.
That's good here. That was the potentially non bad news.
(07:57):
The good news is we saw new homes sales in
August that's a three year high, and that's before we
even get the mortgage rates where we think a lot
of this will start breaking out. Is our long home
crisis looking up?
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
No, I mean you've got one month of activity picking
up on a three year basis, and what it picked
up from the twenty percent was a you know, multi
year low. So it's still really bad in terms of
transaction activity. But that it picked up is good, and
that it picked up more than expected is good. But no,
we've got a ways to go to get activity backed up.
(08:37):
It does look like August sort of a backlog of
activity because June and July had been so down. I'm
very confident activity will pick up when rates come down,
and rates have begun to come down a bit. They
have a.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Ways to go.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But but the notion that like if anyone ever uses
the word where it free and clear or this is
all behind us now, no change the go to a
different website, because that we have we have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Years in front of us. Yeah, because because you need
the and I don't know what the magic number is.
My guestimate is four and a half under five percent.
When the mortgage rate gets there, you'll start seeing everybody
that's locked in in the twos and the threes, it'll
start making sense maybe to make a move which will
free up inventory. We just quite haven't built enough yet.
(09:27):
I mean, there's a long way to go on this one.
But for those out there that are realtors, there's a
little bit of a bump in August as we head
into the holiday season, which isn't a big cell time Michael.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Let's set an expectation there though.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Because here's the thing, how does the thirty year mortgage
get to four and a half? The mortgage rates have
to be something higher than the ten year bond. Right,
the banks aren't going to lend money to people at
the same interest rate that the government does because home
borrowers have some risks the government doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So there's to be a spread.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
So let's say that you do have a four and
a half percent long rate dated mortgage. That would probably
mean that the long term borrowing the treasury was three
and a half. Well, if you get that low on
the long end, that means we're probably in recession. Correct,
He's in very very low, slow low growth. So I
(10:22):
think realistically, if you were to get to like when
Secretary Vestent wants about a three point eight to four
percent ten year then, which is assuming somehow we get
to one and a half percent inflation and two and
a half percent real growth. I mean, that's like Goldilocks
perfect scenario. But let's just say we get there, then
that's about a four percent ten year and about a
(10:46):
four point eight to five percent mortgage. That's back of
Napkin what i'd estimate. I don't think you're getting these
mortgages back to four unless we're in recession.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right, And by the way, just to make my point,
that's what I think it would take to make all
these people, you know, baby boomers who have most of
the inventory, but they have these homes at two and
a half percent. They're not going to give that up
to go get less of a home at a higher
mortgage rate. Now. Time will play a role, too, right,
because five percent will look a lot different five years
from now than it looks today. Seven percent will look
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a lot different, maybe potentially five years from now. I mean,
you don't necessarily want what you want, You might be
careful what you ask for. Is the point you're making.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, well that's right, but that's not actually the way
most people think borrowers tend to think low rates are
always good, and lenders and savers tend to think high
rates are always good. And what I always want to
remind people, because the economics matter, is why rates are
what they are matters the most.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Let me ask you, what's on the dividend Cafe tomorrow?
Do we know yet?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (11:53):
We do.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And it's something you and I've talked about a lot
on the show. Is unpacking. Do they participate force unpacking
the reality of where so many of the workers have gone,
what it does mean, what it doesn't mean, and trying
to get into the labor data, not merely on the
basis of why unemployments picking up and why new hirings
(12:15):
are slowing down, but trying to understand better what's actually
happened where some.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Of the workers have gone.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And this forces me in the Dividend Cafe to do
economic analysis but also cultural analysis.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, because I remember we used to look at unemployment,
underemployment and those leaving the workplace. Now you've got the
side hustle aspect mixed in. It's ever changing and understanding
is more needed than ever. You'll get that every week
at the Dividendcafe dot com with my friend and I
appreciate so much our weekly visits. I know you need
(12:50):
to run. I want to keep this kind of timely.
But David bon bonson Financial Group, don't forget Dividendcafe dot com.
Have a great weekend, sir. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Michael.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chno.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You can't have your morning show without your boys. Wouldn't
want to have it without your boys. We start with
Joey MPa.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
More than Michael and Jeffrey calling to check on you guys,
making sure that you were handling the show without Red
Peace this week. And now to find out you've got
UH in your house. Wow, and I thought I had
a bed taking my wife for the next six weeks
to radiation treatment. Good luck, my prayers, God bless love
(13:32):
your show.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You do have it worse. Look, the snake's either going
to die or be found. He's got any sense, he'll
he'll give himself up. I want everybody right now listening
live to just take a minute say a quick prayer
for his wife, and for those of you that are
listening to the podcast after the fact, hit pause and
say a nice long prayer where two or more gathered.
God is here make our petition known for his wife.
(13:54):
That's far more important than a snake that is loose.
Next up is Kato in Arizona.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
You or know you know.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
The sad thing is, we watched the media. We listened
to the media, all media included, and we watched the
story of Charlie Kirk's gonna get further and further down
the news cycle, never investigated. We're never gonna know the
real truth about the mass the garbage to cover up
why he died, who's involved, what money trails lead to whom.
(14:23):
It's just never going to get solved.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What do you think? Wow, well, well let me do
it this way because you brought it up. What do
you think? And I played Tucker Carlson's eulogy at the
memorial service. I think that's the one that hit the
most on the head. And what did he boil everything
(14:47):
down to? We need Christ. That was the priority for Charlie.
That's what Charlie saw is the priority and the solution
for America. Well, this person of Jesus said he was
the way, the truth and the life. We've abandoned his way.
We've abandoned him, and with it we've lost truth. Truth
(15:08):
isn't even the scoreboard anymore. Truth doesn't even matter. Emotions
over truth, truth, narratives over truth. Oh, if only we
could become a country where the pursuit was truth and
the hunger was truth. That's what we need to be
(15:31):
praying for. Michael gets the final say, Marie, gentlemen.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Is it possible that China and Russia are doing what
they thought about his sixties? I think there's a book
about it. Be slow and patient and watch us destroy
ourselves from within, because there's too many guns behind every
blade of grasp and they're just watching us and just laughing,
and hopefully we just do it ourselves. That's what I
think wrong. But I think they want to destroy ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Thanks for the thanks for the call. Is he their
mar jin or the patient? That's not like for in
an operating room. You know, I'm too add for that. Yes,
I'm sure they're loving this, and that's the only way
we could be defeated is from within. That's what my
great concern is.
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Speaker 12 (16:16):
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Speaker 2 (16:23):
Hey it's me Michael.
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This is your morning show. I'm Michael del Jornal. President
Trump says the deadly shootings at Dallas at the ice
facility are despicable. Jimmy Kimmel's return to late nights did
see a pretty good boost. He's down to one million viewers.
(17:11):
There was a time he was at two million. His
problem is in demo, where he's down to roughly two
hundred thousand or less. He did get a bump with
four and a half million on his first return. It
won't be sustainable and the twenty million that watched his
monologue in clip form on social media is proof of
(17:32):
the model is broken. Nobody makes appointment television with network
television late night. They're very expensive shows to put on,
and there's not enough revenue and not enough audience to
sustain it. That's why he'll eventually go this whole political
game with him in the middle. That's a whole other narrative.
In story week for the NFL kicks off tonight in
the desert, the Seahawks against the Codinals on Thursday night
(17:55):
football in prime. Okay. The shooting yesterday in Dallas at
the ICE facility, couple of things. One if this twenty
nine year old Joshua john was trying to make a
statement against DICE, he hit three detainees nobody that worked
for ICE, and one died, and then he killed himself.
(18:18):
More writing on the bullets in general, more violence, and
at a time where this becomes now not weekly but daily,
it would suggest this is a time to tone down
rhetoric more than ever. But neither side really is, especially
the left. Aaron Evans is president of WRS. He's a
(18:40):
veteran political strategist and he joins us now to discuss
how can we get this rhetoric toned down because it's
fueling violence and nobody's very honest about what the cause
is and what side it's coming from. Good morning, Aaron.
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Hey, good morning, pleasure to be on.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Great to have you. I mean, you've been following this
just like we have. I could play you a montage.
I'm not certain hypocrisy exists anymore in this cultural matrix
that we seem to be stuck in, in this narrative
world over fact and truth. But this, this, this appears
to be three in a row that you could point
to the left and you can point two. A lot
(19:21):
of these narratives ginning up very unstable people to do
very violent things. Will either side start taking this seriously
and anytime soon. Look, I think we had better across
the board. And I mean I think you know, you
also niled it. I think just even in the intro on,
this hypocrisy really even exists in the two worlds we're
(19:42):
living in. And I think that that's there are several
things here that are the fundamental root causes of the problem.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And it's it's been amplifying and going on.
Speaker 12 (19:51):
Now for for several years.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
But you know, one you have politicians doing political.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
Things and they're they're they're trying to fire their base,
and every cycle, I mean, we've seen the attacks get
more intense, and frankly, you know, besides shooting the volleys
over politically, you know, on you know, more intense rhetoric.
And but you know, I mean basically since twenty seventeen,
(20:18):
we have seen we've seen the left, especially you know,
framing there's there's only one one person in kind of
modern history that's the epitome of evil, and that's not
Off Hitler and obviously just a horrendous with the Holocaust
and just there predetermined, planned out acts of evil that occurred.
And when you look at the rhetoric, I mean, Hikim
(20:40):
Jeffries comparing Ice to get Stappo. You know, we've got
i mean literally every major Democrat figure in the country
has compared Donald Trump to Hitler, or the Republican Party
to the Nazis or fascists, and and so you have
this this rhetoric now over a period of years, and
then and on top of that, you have Gavin Newsom
(21:02):
saying he doesn't think we're even going to have another election,
and democracy is being stolen from us.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, you left that one out. You should have led
with that because that was exactly well. Because the shadow campaign,
which this is the left telling you how they stole
the election in twenty twenty, go to February fourteenth, Time magazine.
They lay it all out for you. Some of them
even became. One of them even claim became a chief
of staff. But they're telling you they had to do it.
They weaponized COVID, changed election laws, avoided legislatures in the
(21:33):
states so it was unconstitutional, and they harvested ballots in
swing districts of sing swing states to steal the election
because they had to save democracy. That's war talk. The
difference is we don't have a nut shooting a bunch
of Republicans playing baseball and then nothing for a few years.
These shootings are like weekly and they won't stop with
(21:54):
the rhetoric. So Aaron, the first thing I would say
is this is a problem on the left and they've
they've they've set the table. Democracy is at stake. This
is a cold civil war. Well it ain't cold anymore,
and I writ, how do we stop it. Let's cut
to the chase.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Look, it's going to take leaders.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They're going to have to.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
Step up and actually say what Frankly Kimmel didn't do,
you know, I mean, they've got to step up and say, look,
I was wrong, and I've taken this to a level.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
That it shouldn't be and it's not where.
Speaker 12 (22:27):
I took it to and I was wrong in taking
it there, and we've got to dial this back. The
problem is the politicians they know better. They don't believe
the same craft that they say every day. But the
people who looked up to them, who followed them, they do,
and they're being radicalized by this rhetoric. And it's going
to take leaders. It's going to take men and women
(22:49):
who stand up and say, listen, we have escalated this
too far. Our country is more important than politics. We've
got to dial this back. We can disagree on policy,
we can disagree on ideology, we can have debates, but
we're not going to question the motives of who's anti
America and who's not and uh, and we've got it.
We've got to dial this back because democracy is not
(23:10):
in peril. Ideas may be, and we can debate that,
but we've taken this to a level that's too extreme,
and we've seen the results and We're going to own that.
But it's going to take real men and women, uh,
show some humility, show some leadership. And that's the problem.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I mean, that's a very hard thing to do, and
I totally.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I told you, we've elected very many of them. Aaron
Evans is the president of w RS, a veteran political strategist.
Joining us on this violent nature in our culture. I
think it stands to reason, at least in the last
three shootings, I could start with the Minneapolis shooter, what
was inscribed on the gun, what was written on the ammunition,
and then a twenty minute UH manifested manifesto video makes
(23:53):
it crystal clear this was a transgendered individual who felt
duped by transgenderism, which I think is psychotically why he
was targeting innocent children, because he was once an innocent
child and doctrinated with this nonsense. And then he became
hopeless and suicidal and rather than just killing himself, decided
to take a bunch of innocent kids with him. And
(24:14):
yet nobody brought up the gun. Nobody brought up you know,
the ammunition. Then you have the shooting of Charlie Kirk,
Nobody brings up the gun nobody brings up the ammunition.
What that's turned into in social media Now even the
right believes there's some conspiracy going on. The left has
shifted the narrative a way to him not being the victim,
but Jimmy Kimmel is the new victim. And freedom speech.
(24:36):
By the way, this from the left that celebrated everybody
on the right when they were being canceled. Correct, So
there doesn't seem to be any wise man in the room,
no cooler head that will prevail. They continue. You know,
I go back to that Time magazine manifesto. They planned
if Donald Trump had won in twenty twenty, they planned
an insurrection, and they were priming us in condition for
(25:00):
it with BLM and Antifa and just getting used to
the violence and the looting and the burning and the destruction.
I think they want a civil war. Does America want
to be united? Does America want to be one? Or
are we so in the shirts and skins game, We're
gonna play this all the way to civil war.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Look, I think that the majority of America absolutely want
want want peace, They want functional government, they want safety,
they want functioning schools. Differently, but but ultimately.
Speaker 12 (25:34):
The problem is is you've got you've got a radical
element that has totally hijacked the Democrat Party. And it's
it's not the Democrat Party of the Bill Clinton era.
And uh, they've totally hijacked the Democrat Party with radical ideology.
And I mean they're they're pushing moderate Democrats out in primaries.
You've got I mean Madonnie's a great example of this,
(25:56):
and I mean literally just just just recently. You know,
one of the things he said to New Yorkers was
stand up and fight ice like hell his direct quote.
And and so it's the AOC Donnie wing of the
party that is the new Democrat Party. And and they
they're taking control and hijacked the ship and sou but
(26:17):
they want to fundamentally transform America. They hate who we are,
they hate what we stand for, they hate our founding
and h and the only way to radically transform the
country is they have to break it apart. And it's
the same people who you know have been cheering hamas
terrorists in the streets for the last two years, Uh,
instead of uh standing with the the poor. Uh you know,
(26:38):
hostages that were taken on October seventh. Uh, it's the
same people it doesn't matter, you know, you you line
the issue up, they're the ones who are who are
on the wrong side of everything America stands for in
these issues. But they're also they're also radicalizing people and
stirring up, you know, this sentiment that is resulting in
(26:59):
real violence. Barack Obama promised to fundamental, fundamentally change our country.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He certainly did, and I think he's still at the helmet.
I think it's still working, all right. So closing bottom line,
no matter what Donald Trump does, if he cleans up DC,
that's a tyrant uh using the military against his own cities.
If he moves on to do it any other city,
they'll say the same thing. If he deports dangerous people
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to make our country safer, he's deporting enemies. If he
investigates the wrongdoing of the left doing what they obviously
are accusing the right of doing that they're not doing,
he's silencing his enemies. If the business model cancels Jimmy
Kimmel and he says something extraordinarily and sensitive and inaccurate,
he's suddenly the victim, not Charlie Kirk. I mean, come on,
(27:46):
I feel like that I said earlier. The analogy. I
feel like that guy in the rotc uniform an animal
house when all hell's breaking loose, waving my arms. How
do we how do we eat this element? How do
how do we get back to truth? How do we
get back to sanity? It's gonna take some wise men
on both sides, And I don't know that I see
(28:08):
any on both sides.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
Yeah, Look, I mean I think you've got uh, you know,
got Senator Fetterman in Pennsylvania who's said the right things
and shown some leadership and stepped up, but obviously scopped
at by uh, by many in his own party, sadly.
And I mean he said some of the same things
we're saying this morning about violence. There are people, uh,
you know out there who are saying the right stuff.
(28:32):
But I think it's it's it really comes down to
and and look, this is a fundamental result of moral relativism.
And and basically, when.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
We remove truth, we remove it.
Speaker 12 (28:42):
There's no foundation of truth in society anymore. You've got
one side who you know, lives in a fantasy world.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
And you know, there's there's eighty five genders, there's uh,
you know, there's there's no moral truth there's no scientific truth,
there's no absolutes and and uh, and then you know
we're over here trying to live in facts, and President
Trump's trying to address a lot of these broken issues
that our way overdue, to secure our country and make
it safe again and fix the economy and the list
(29:12):
you just went through, and so ultimately, you know, look
at the problem we've got is until we actually agree
that there's such thing as truth, I don't know that.
Speaker 12 (29:21):
We're going to find the total consensus on a pass forward.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Because thank you for finally speaking the truth. You know,
I used to do a podcast, and we may resurrect
a eighteen fifty Main Street. Eighteen fifty was ten years
before the Civil War. Okay, here it is, Aaron, it's
ten years before the Civil War. Solve it before we
go to war. That would be your challenge. Well, good luck.
Here we are back again and on a tenure trajectory
(29:46):
towards the Civil War, and I'm trying to stop it.
Only this time I have moral relativism and the Internet,
which is throwing the accelerant on it all. And it's
very concerning and very difficul Now I realize I'm being
more of an alarmist. But these shootings are getting closer
to closer. They're getting more and more violent. We're certainly
(30:07):
heading out of a cold civil war into a hot
civil war, and something's got to give. I think it's
going to take the American people. I don't know if
there's got to be a Jesus movement. I don't if
there's got to be a cultural reawakening. I don't if
there has to be a political revolution. But something has
to happen. And Richard Nixon used to talk to the
sensible center. I'm praying there is a sensible center and
(30:28):
somebody finds a way to reach them, whether it's Federman
or others. Aaron, but don't be a stranger together.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
In least closing, politicians only say radical things because they're
allowed to by the populace, and so I think the
voters have to speak up and hold politicians accountable on
this rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You got it so good to meet you. People can
find you online. You are with w RS, you are
the president, you are a veteran political strategist, and don't
be strange. I would love to have you back any time.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Eric.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
Thank you, it's pleasure.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's been exactly about twenty four hours since the news
broke and twenty four hours later one detainee, no ICE members.
One detainee dead, two others hurt, and the shooters killed himself.
What do we know about this twenty nine year old shooter?
More with Mark Mayfield.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
Mice, president of JD Vance, said the rhetoric is out
of control.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
When the luft wing media lies about what they're doing,
when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie
about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing
is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence.
Speaker 11 (31:36):
The shooter has been identified as twenty nine year old
Joshua John. He was found dead from a self inflicted
gunshot wounded.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
A near my apartment building.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
FBI Director Cash Mattel posted a picture on ex of
shellcasings with the phrase anti ICE that were found at
the scene. No ICE agents were injured in the shooting.
I'm Mark Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Her morning show national correspondent Roory O'Neil is here. What
more do we know about this twenty nine year old?
I know we have the anti ICE written. That's the
third shooter in a row that's writing on ammunition. I
don't think transgendered, but certainly anti ice.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
Right, But we don't know why and what radicalized him,
and that's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now, was it a group, was it something he found online?
Was it?
Speaker 13 (32:17):
And who was financing that group? Where did it come from?
So all those questions need to be answered because the
brother of this shooter says he wasn't particularly political, so
not sure where it comes from. His mom apparently may
have been. But still some questions about exactly what motivated
this man. The reasoning we may understand, but actually what
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the motivation is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
The question we also had that all those sim cards
and whatever that plot was in New York, whether had
anything to do with the UN or something separate that happening,
this happening, these kinds of but this is what this
shooting Charlie Kirk, Minneapolis. That's three three writing on am
(33:00):
three writing on weapons and that's all in what four weeks?
Three weeks?
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Yeah, this seems to be a newer trend that we're seeing.
It was trying there was another case from about a
year ago. I'm trying to remit that's escaping me.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But yeah, this is something that was in Nashville, the
one in Nashville where they told right to the school.
But I mean that's one, two three, transgender one anti ice.
I could do a best of audio of how politicians
in the media have been handling these issues. And it's
kind of a checkmate because whatever the president does, the
left will play the narrative, Oh, you're deporting, you're just
(33:37):
getting rid of enemies, and you're breaking up families, and
you're gestopo policing on the streets or you know, if
you clean up the streets of DC or going to
any other city using the military against your own people.
No matter what, they keep playing this rhetoric. I mean,
we do have one side on a roll that seems
to be getting very violent, and it's the left.
Speaker 13 (33:57):
Well, I would also say that a lot of the
information Ice going to these twenty some things is also
via the phone and isn't necessarily from the talking heads.
It's videos that they're seeing that have been edited, cutspun,
that have graphics on them and messaging that may not
be the truth. And that's also I think fueling a
lot of this, the images that they see on their phones.
(34:18):
Because I don't think a whole lot of twenty year
olds are listening to a you know, the speaker at
the House, or the or the Democratic Majority leader.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Or whatever it may be. Oh, get to your point.
You want to see what they've done with Charlie Kirk's assassination.
You ought to go with. The right has turned it
into a big conspiracy. And the shooter isn't the shooter,
and he's going to get off because he's not the shooter,
and they're hiding it from you. I mean, there's no
Norse time. There means, seems to be no center of truth,
(34:45):
and the violence is getting increasingly more frequent. We'll keep
an eye on it. We'll keep fighting away for the truth.
Appreciate you, Rory Blie. Guys having said all of this,
move forward, make a difference in someone's life, Cherish your own.
Live this day, you'll forget to live it again, and
we'll see in the morning.
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jordan, who was Joshua wand the shooter at the ice
facility in Dallas. More on that with Rory O'Neill. Next
half hour. David bonson Our Money was an economist in
a moment with some bad news for catchup four oh
one k investors and perhaps some good news for home sellers.
But first things first, suffer not by Lisda's under the
(00:57):
Welcome to Thursday, September the twenty fifth, twenty two, twenty five.
This is your morning show. Good morning, gentlemen. I'd just
like to let you know that I too will be
having a meeting with hungry and turkey towards the end
of November. James call me is a trader. James call
me is a trader. James Colly is a trader. I
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just stop. James call me as a trader. James call
me is a trader.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Good morning, This is Mary. Why I'm a little concerned.
I'm just hoping that we can get a snake update.
Is this a domesticated serpent or an intruder from outdoors?
Is pizza girl? Okay, what's the latest? Thanks, have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I never thought to call my wife pizza girl. It's
a corn snake. It was my daughter's pet corn snake,
quite the little escape artist. And she's been loose now
going on two months, and we don't smell anything, so
she's still alive. The snake expert tells us she's here somewhere. Wow,
(02:01):
we just simply can't find her. And every now and
then Andrew finds it funny to just remind me Meanwhile,
just when you think everything's getting bad in the world,
we still have a snake somewhere in the house roaming. Oh,
David Bonsen, why didn't I have children that weren't like me?
My kids are like me. The more they know people,
the more they love animals. And they filled the house
with them, and some of them are loose. All right,
we got mixed bag of news. One for higher earners
(02:25):
age fifty and older. Some changes coming to the four
toh one K. You'll still be able to do catch up,
you just won't be able to do a tax free
I guess right.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Well, I don't really it's about tax free. It's about
the deductibility.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
On the front end. I mean the you know, you always.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Paid taxes on the withdrawl, so they you still are
able to do the normal deferral and you're still able
to get the catchup for over fifty and so they're
not really a sizable.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Change has come.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
They have been waiting to clarify some of the mechanics
in the Secure two point zero Act.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, yeah, because that was gonna be my question. If
when I do a four to oh one K, I'm
able to save it a percentage before taxes, which is
one of the advantages, but then I pay taxes as
I'm withdrawing the money later in retirement or unfortunately, as
many do prior to retirement. Okay, get that, but if
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you're going to allow a catchup and it's after tax.
That's kind of more like an IRA, right, then you
shouldn't pay taxes on the front and the back, should you?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
You don't pay it on the back.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So that's all they did is say that the catchup
now starting in twenty twenty seven, so this doesn't kick
in for two more years. The catch up part has
to go to a roths, so it's now all the
earnings of that are going to be tax free, and
then the withdrawal is tax free, but you don't get
the deduction for the catch up part going in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, it's funny how when you have kids older
like I did, your perspective is so different. If i'd
have had them in my twenties, I'd have been so
busy building my career. I'd have missed all this. But
now they're at an age, and it's funny how laser
my advice is because I've learned all these lessons. If
I could go back and change anything, and I did
a whole sermon this morning on choices I wouldn't have
(04:26):
touched under any circumstance my four oh one k throughout
the years, I'd be a multimillionaire today, but we often
use it and withdraw it, borrow from it. You know,
we do everything to abuse that account, and then employers
just don't match like they used to. How do you
(04:46):
you know, what's your perspective on four oh one k's
and versus roth iras And I mean, I know we're
all in agreement on the personal responsibility of X money
goes to tie, X money goes to emergency fund, X
money goes to long term retirement and taking a responsibility
on that. But is the four oh one k everything
that used to be, Well.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's way bigger than it's ever been. First of all,
the employers are matching more than they ever have.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's just that the percentage.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Amount maybe lower for some, but the amount of employers
matching is higher than it's ever been. And because of
these safe harbor for one case, there's a surprising amount
of employers we actually do this at my firm that
contribute even if the employee is not contributing. Where traditionally
(05:36):
the only money from the employer was coming as a
match of what the employer er was putting in. Now
more and more companies are even doing their own. Look,
I don't you used to have a very small amount
you can put in, and it's gone up and up
and up every year, and then they have had these
catch up contributions.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
As harsh as it may sound, this does certainly down
to the efficacy of these really being in the hands
of the person. I mean, the irs has given you
this great vehicle to be able to contribute. There's tons
of investment options, there's pretty high limits.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The limits are generally.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Higher than most people can afford to put in anyways,
and all kinds of text benefits. The challenge is what
you said that it does give people the ability to
withdraw from it along the way and borrow from it,
and far too many people do that. So I don't
know what the solution is to that, other than people
not borrowing from it, and that you know, when they
(06:38):
have a pension, they couldn't borrow from it. And so
that's the funny thing about it is it almost seems
like the only way to make it better is to
not allow the option, But then of course people would
be upset that they didn't have the options.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Have the option. Yeah, although I will tell you it
has been used more as an emergency fund, and it
was it was intended to be two different things. Everyone
should max out there four oh one K. From a
tax advantage standpoint, that's a no brainer. I once tried
to do the math, and it's impossible to do because
what you don't realize when you borrow against your four
(07:11):
roh one k, Well, at least you're paying yourself back,
but you've missed a lot by taking the money out
as the market steadily grows, So that's always tough to predict.
But I'm thinking if I hadn't touched my and by way,
the four oh one k's came out when I was
making really good money in my early twenties, and I
would contribute the maximum. I'm guessing my mistakes cost me
(07:34):
maybe as much as five million dollars. But again, the
exejeet is use the four oh one k, never touch it.
Your emergency fund is for emergencies. That's for retirement. And
then you get to the age old question how much
will it take in retirement? Well that depends if you
retire with your home paid off or not, and other things.
That's good here. That was the potentially non bad news.
(07:57):
The good news is we saw new homes sales in
August that's a three year high, and that's before we
even get the mortgage rates where we think a lot
of this will start breaking out. Is our long home
crisis looking up?
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
No, I mean you've got one month of activity picking
up on a three year basis, and what it picked
up from the twenty percent was a you know, multi
year low. So it's still really bad in terms of
transaction activity. But that it picked up is good, and
that it picked up more than expected is good. But no,
we've got a ways to go to get activity backed up.
(08:37):
It does look like August sort of a backlog of
activity because June and July had been so down. I'm
very confident activity will pick up when rates come down,
and rates have begun to come down a bit. They
have a.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Ways to go.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But but the notion that like if anyone ever uses
the word where it free and clear or this is
all behind us now, no change the go to a
different website, because that we have we have.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Years in front of us. Yeah, because because you need
the and I don't know what the magic number is.
My guestimate is four and a half under five percent.
When the mortgage rate gets there, you'll start seeing everybody
that's locked in in the twos and the threes, it'll
start making sense maybe to make a move which will
free up inventory. We just quite haven't built enough yet.
(09:27):
I mean, there's a long way to go on this one.
But for those out there that are realtors, there's a
little bit of a bump in August as we head
into the holiday season, which isn't a big cell time Michael.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Let's set an expectation there though.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Because here's the thing, how does the thirty year mortgage
get to four and a half? The mortgage rates have
to be something higher than the ten year bond. Right,
the banks aren't going to lend money to people at
the same interest rate that the government does because home
borrowers have some risks the government doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So there's to be a spread.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
So let's say that you do have a four and
a half percent long rate dated mortgage. That would probably
mean that the long term borrowing the treasury was three
and a half. Well, if you get that low on
the long end, that means we're probably in recession. Correct,
He's in very very low, slow low growth. So I
(10:22):
think realistically, if you were to get to like when
Secretary Vestent wants about a three point eight to four
percent ten year then, which is assuming somehow we get
to one and a half percent inflation and two and
a half percent real growth. I mean, that's like Goldilocks
perfect scenario. But let's just say we get there, then
that's about a four percent ten year and about a
(10:46):
four point eight to five percent mortgage. That's back of
Napkin what i'd estimate. I don't think you're getting these
mortgages back to four unless we're in recession.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right, And by the way, just to make my point,
that's what I think it would take to make all
these people, you know, baby boomers who have most of
the inventory, but they have these homes at two and
a half percent. They're not going to give that up
to go get less of a home at a higher
mortgage rate. Now. Time will play a role, too, right,
because five percent will look a lot different five years
from now than it looks today. Seven percent will look
(11:19):
a lot different, maybe potentially five years from now. I mean,
you don't necessarily want what you want, You might be
careful what you ask for. Is the point you're making.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, well that's right, but that's not actually the way
most people think borrowers tend to think low rates are
always good, and lenders and savers tend to think high
rates are always good. And what I always want to
remind people, because the economics matter, is why rates are
what they are matters the most.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Let me ask you, what's on the dividend Cafe tomorrow?
Do we know yet?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (11:53):
We do.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And it's something you and I've talked about a lot
on the show. Is unpacking. Do they participate force unpacking
the reality of where so many of the workers have gone,
what it does mean, what it doesn't mean, and trying
to get into the labor data, not merely on the
basis of why unemployments picking up and why new hirings
(12:15):
are slowing down, but trying to understand better what's actually
happened where some.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Of the workers have gone.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
And this forces me in the Dividend Cafe to do
economic analysis but also cultural analysis.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, because I remember we used to look at unemployment,
underemployment and those leaving the workplace. Now you've got the
side hustle aspect mixed in. It's ever changing and understanding
is more needed than ever. You'll get that every week
at the Dividendcafe dot com with my friend and I
appreciate so much our weekly visits. I know you need
(12:50):
to run. I want to keep this kind of timely.
But David bon bonson Financial Group, don't forget Dividendcafe dot com.
Have a great weekend, sir. Thank you.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
Michael.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chno.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You can't have your morning show without your boys. Wouldn't
want to have it without your boys. We start with
Joey MPa.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
More than Michael and Jeffrey calling to check on you guys,
making sure that you were handling the show without Red
Peace this week. And now to find out you've got
UH in your house. Wow, and I thought I had
a bed taking my wife for the next six weeks
to radiation treatment. Good luck, my prayers, God bless love
(13:32):
your show.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You do have it worse. Look, the snake's either going
to die or be found. He's got any sense, he'll
he'll give himself up. I want everybody right now listening
live to just take a minute say a quick prayer
for his wife, and for those of you that are
listening to the podcast after the fact, hit pause and
say a nice long prayer where two or more gathered.
God is here make our petition known for his wife.
(13:54):
That's far more important than a snake that is loose.
Next up is Kato in Arizona.
Speaker 8 (14:00):
You or know you know.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
The sad thing is, we watched the media. We listened
to the media, all media included, and we watched the
story of Charlie Kirk's gonna get further and further down
the news cycle, never investigated. We're never gonna know the
real truth about the mass the garbage to cover up
why he died, who's involved, what money trails lead to whom.
(14:23):
It's just never going to get solved.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What do you think? Wow, well, well let me do
it this way because you brought it up. What do
you think? And I played Tucker Carlson's eulogy at the
memorial service. I think that's the one that hit the
most on the head. And what did he boil everything
(14:47):
down to? We need Christ. That was the priority for Charlie.
That's what Charlie saw is the priority and the solution
for America. Well, this person of Jesus said he was
the way, the truth and the life. We've abandoned his way.
We've abandoned him, and with it we've lost truth. Truth
(15:08):
isn't even the scoreboard anymore. Truth doesn't even matter. Emotions
over truth, truth, narratives over truth. Oh, if only we
could become a country where the pursuit was truth and
the hunger was truth. That's what we need to be
(15:31):
praying for. Michael gets the final say, Marie, gentlemen.
Speaker 10 (15:33):
Is it possible that China and Russia are doing what
they thought about his sixties? I think there's a book
about it. Be slow and patient and watch us destroy
ourselves from within, because there's too many guns behind every
blade of grasp and they're just watching us and just laughing,
and hopefully we just do it ourselves. That's what I
think wrong. But I think they want to destroy ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Thanks for the thanks for the call. Is he their
mar jin or the patient? That's not like for in
an operating room. You know, I'm too add for that. Yes,
I'm sure they're loving this, and that's the only way
we could be defeated is from within. That's what my
great concern is.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
I'm executive chef George Harvel.
Speaker 12 (16:16):
My morning show is Your Morning Show with Michael de jorna.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Hey it's me Michael.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
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Sure hope you can join us live and make us
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Podcast on the aeron streaming live on your iHeartRadio app.
This is your morning show. I'm Michael del Jornal. President
Trump says the deadly shootings at Dallas at the ice
facility are despicable. Jimmy Kimmel's return to late nights did
see a pretty good boost. He's down to one million viewers.
(17:11):
There was a time he was at two million. His
problem is in demo, where he's down to roughly two
hundred thousand or less. He did get a bump with
four and a half million on his first return. It
won't be sustainable and the twenty million that watched his
monologue in clip form on social media is proof of
(17:32):
the model is broken. Nobody makes appointment television with network
television late night. They're very expensive shows to put on,
and there's not enough revenue and not enough audience to
sustain it. That's why he'll eventually go this whole political
game with him in the middle. That's a whole other narrative.
In story week for the NFL kicks off tonight in
the desert, the Seahawks against the Codinals on Thursday night
(17:55):
football in prime. Okay. The shooting yesterday in Dallas at
the ICE facility, couple of things. One if this twenty
nine year old Joshua john was trying to make a
statement against DICE, he hit three detainees nobody that worked
for ICE, and one died, and then he killed himself.
(18:18):
More writing on the bullets in general, more violence, and
at a time where this becomes now not weekly but daily,
it would suggest this is a time to tone down
rhetoric more than ever. But neither side really is, especially
the left. Aaron Evans is president of WRS. He's a
(18:40):
veteran political strategist and he joins us now to discuss
how can we get this rhetoric toned down because it's
fueling violence and nobody's very honest about what the cause
is and what side it's coming from. Good morning, Aaron.
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Hey, good morning, pleasure to be on.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Great to have you. I mean, you've been following this
just like we have. I could play you a montage.
I'm not certain hypocrisy exists anymore in this cultural matrix
that we seem to be stuck in, in this narrative
world over fact and truth. But this, this, this appears
to be three in a row that you could point
to the left and you can point two. A lot
(19:21):
of these narratives ginning up very unstable people to do
very violent things. Will either side start taking this seriously
and anytime soon. Look, I think we had better across
the board. And I mean I think you know, you
also niled it. I think just even in the intro on,
this hypocrisy really even exists in the two worlds we're
(19:42):
living in. And I think that that's there are several
things here that are the fundamental root causes of the problem.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
And it's it's been amplifying and going on.
Speaker 12 (19:51):
Now for for several years.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
But you know, one you have politicians doing political.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
Things and they're they're they're trying to fire their base,
and every cycle, I mean, we've seen the attacks get
more intense, and frankly, you know, besides shooting the volleys
over politically, you know, on you know, more intense rhetoric.
And but you know, I mean basically since twenty seventeen,
(20:18):
we have seen we've seen the left, especially you know,
framing there's there's only one one person in kind of
modern history that's the epitome of evil, and that's not
Off Hitler and obviously just a horrendous with the Holocaust
and just there predetermined, planned out acts of evil that occurred.
And when you look at the rhetoric, I mean, Hikim
(20:40):
Jeffries comparing Ice to get Stappo. You know, we've got
i mean literally every major Democrat figure in the country
has compared Donald Trump to Hitler, or the Republican Party
to the Nazis or fascists, and and so you have
this this rhetoric now over a period of years, and
then and on top of that, you have Gavin Newsom
(21:02):
saying he doesn't think we're even going to have another election,
and democracy is being stolen from us.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, you left that one out. You should have led
with that because that was exactly well. Because the shadow campaign,
which this is the left telling you how they stole
the election in twenty twenty, go to February fourteenth, Time magazine.
They lay it all out for you. Some of them
even became. One of them even claim became a chief
of staff. But they're telling you they had to do it.
They weaponized COVID, changed election laws, avoided legislatures in the
(21:33):
states so it was unconstitutional, and they harvested ballots in
swing districts of sing swing states to steal the election
because they had to save democracy. That's war talk. The
difference is we don't have a nut shooting a bunch
of Republicans playing baseball and then nothing for a few years.
These shootings are like weekly and they won't stop with
(21:54):
the rhetoric. So Aaron, the first thing I would say
is this is a problem on the left and they've
they've they've set the table. Democracy is at stake. This
is a cold civil war. Well it ain't cold anymore,
and I writ, how do we stop it. Let's cut
to the chase.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Look, it's going to take leaders.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They're going to have to.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
Step up and actually say what Frankly Kimmel didn't do,
you know, I mean, they've got to step up and say, look,
I was wrong, and I've taken this to a level.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
That it shouldn't be and it's not where.
Speaker 12 (22:27):
I took it to and I was wrong in taking
it there, and we've got to dial this back. The
problem is the politicians they know better. They don't believe
the same craft that they say every day. But the
people who looked up to them, who followed them, they do,
and they're being radicalized by this rhetoric. And it's going
to take leaders. It's going to take men and women
(22:49):
who stand up and say, listen, we have escalated this
too far. Our country is more important than politics. We've
got to dial this back. We can disagree on policy,
we can disagree on ideology, we can have debates, but
we're not going to question the motives of who's anti
America and who's not and uh, and we've got it.
We've got to dial this back because democracy is not
(23:10):
in peril. Ideas may be, and we can debate that,
but we've taken this to a level that's too extreme,
and we've seen the results and We're going to own that.
But it's going to take real men and women, uh,
show some humility, show some leadership. And that's the problem.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I mean, that's a very hard thing to do, and
I totally.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I told you, we've elected very many of them. Aaron
Evans is the president of w RS, a veteran political strategist.
Joining us on this violent nature in our culture. I
think it stands to reason, at least in the last
three shootings, I could start with the Minneapolis shooter, what
was inscribed on the gun, what was written on the ammunition,
and then a twenty minute UH manifested manifesto video makes
(23:53):
it crystal clear this was a transgendered individual who felt
duped by transgenderism, which I think is psychotically why he
was targeting innocent children, because he was once an innocent
child and doctrinated with this nonsense. And then he became
hopeless and suicidal and rather than just killing himself, decided
to take a bunch of innocent kids with him. And
(24:14):
yet nobody brought up the gun. Nobody brought up you know,
the ammunition. Then you have the shooting of Charlie Kirk,
Nobody brings up the gun nobody brings up the ammunition.
What that's turned into in social media Now even the
right believes there's some conspiracy going on. The left has
shifted the narrative a way to him not being the victim,
but Jimmy Kimmel is the new victim. And freedom speech.
(24:36):
By the way, this from the left that celebrated everybody
on the right when they were being canceled. Correct, So
there doesn't seem to be any wise man in the room,
no cooler head that will prevail. They continue. You know,
I go back to that Time magazine manifesto. They planned
if Donald Trump had won in twenty twenty, they planned
an insurrection, and they were priming us in condition for
(25:00):
it with BLM and Antifa and just getting used to
the violence and the looting and the burning and the destruction.
I think they want a civil war. Does America want
to be united? Does America want to be one? Or
are we so in the shirts and skins game, We're
gonna play this all the way to civil war.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Look, I think that the majority of America absolutely want
want want peace, They want functional government, they want safety,
they want functioning schools. Differently, but but ultimately.
Speaker 12 (25:34):
The problem is is you've got you've got a radical
element that has totally hijacked the Democrat Party. And it's
it's not the Democrat Party of the Bill Clinton era.
And uh, they've totally hijacked the Democrat Party with radical ideology.
And I mean they're they're pushing moderate Democrats out in primaries.
You've got I mean Madonnie's a great example of this,
(25:56):
and I mean literally just just just recently. You know,
one of the things he said to New Yorkers was
stand up and fight ice like hell his direct quote.
And and so it's the AOC Donnie wing of the
party that is the new Democrat Party. And and they
they're taking control and hijacked the ship and sou but
(26:17):
they want to fundamentally transform America. They hate who we are,
they hate what we stand for, they hate our founding
and h and the only way to radically transform the
country is they have to break it apart. And it's
the same people who you know have been cheering hamas
terrorists in the streets for the last two years, Uh,
instead of uh standing with the the poor. Uh you know,
(26:38):
hostages that were taken on October seventh. Uh, it's the
same people it doesn't matter, you know, you you line
the issue up, they're the ones who are who are
on the wrong side of everything America stands for in
these issues. But they're also they're also radicalizing people and
stirring up, you know, this sentiment that is resulting in
(26:59):
real violence. Barack Obama promised to fundamental, fundamentally change our country.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He certainly did, and I think he's still at the helmet.
I think it's still working, all right. So closing bottom line,
no matter what Donald Trump does, if he cleans up DC,
that's a tyrant uh using the military against his own cities.
If he moves on to do it any other city,
they'll say the same thing. If he deports dangerous people
(27:25):
to make our country safer, he's deporting enemies. If he
investigates the wrongdoing of the left doing what they obviously
are accusing the right of doing that they're not doing,
he's silencing his enemies. If the business model cancels Jimmy
Kimmel and he says something extraordinarily and sensitive and inaccurate,
he's suddenly the victim, not Charlie Kirk. I mean, come on,
(27:46):
I feel like that I said earlier. The analogy. I
feel like that guy in the rotc uniform an animal
house when all hell's breaking loose, waving my arms. How
do we how do we eat this element? How do
how do we get back to truth? How do we
get back to sanity? It's gonna take some wise men
on both sides, And I don't know that I see
(28:08):
any on both sides.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
Yeah, Look, I mean I think you've got uh, you know,
got Senator Fetterman in Pennsylvania who's said the right things
and shown some leadership and stepped up, but obviously scopped
at by uh, by many in his own party, sadly.
And I mean he said some of the same things
we're saying this morning about violence. There are people, uh,
you know out there who are saying the right stuff.
(28:32):
But I think it's it's it really comes down to
and and look, this is a fundamental result of moral relativism.
And and basically, when.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
We remove truth, we remove it.
Speaker 12 (28:42):
There's no foundation of truth in society anymore. You've got
one side who you know, lives in a fantasy world.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
And you know, there's there's eighty five genders, there's uh,
you know, there's there's no moral truth there's no scientific truth,
there's no absolutes and and uh, and then you know
we're over here trying to live in facts, and President
Trump's trying to address a lot of these broken issues
that our way overdue, to secure our country and make
it safe again and fix the economy and the list
(29:12):
you just went through, and so ultimately, you know, look
at the problem we've got is until we actually agree
that there's such thing as truth, I don't know that.
Speaker 12 (29:21):
We're going to find the total consensus on a pass forward.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Because thank you for finally speaking the truth. You know,
I used to do a podcast, and we may resurrect
a eighteen fifty Main Street. Eighteen fifty was ten years
before the Civil War. Okay, here it is, Aaron, it's
ten years before the Civil War. Solve it before we
go to war. That would be your challenge. Well, good luck.
Here we are back again and on a tenure trajectory
(29:46):
towards the Civil War, and I'm trying to stop it.
Only this time I have moral relativism and the Internet,
which is throwing the accelerant on it all. And it's
very concerning and very difficul Now I realize I'm being
more of an alarmist. But these shootings are getting closer
to closer. They're getting more and more violent. We're certainly
(30:07):
heading out of a cold civil war into a hot
civil war, and something's got to give. I think it's
going to take the American people. I don't know if
there's got to be a Jesus movement. I don't if
there's got to be a cultural reawakening. I don't if
there has to be a political revolution. But something has
to happen. And Richard Nixon used to talk to the
sensible center. I'm praying there is a sensible center and
(30:28):
somebody finds a way to reach them, whether it's Federman
or others. Aaron, but don't be a stranger together.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
In least closing, politicians only say radical things because they're
allowed to by the populace, and so I think the
voters have to speak up and hold politicians accountable on
this rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You got it so good to meet you. People can
find you online. You are with w RS, you are
the president, you are a veteran political strategist, and don't
be strange. I would love to have you back any time.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Eric.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
Thank you, it's pleasure.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Your morning show with Michael del Chorno.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's been exactly about twenty four hours since the news
broke and twenty four hours later one detainee, no ICE members.
One detainee dead, two others hurt, and the shooters killed himself.
What do we know about this twenty nine year old shooter?
More with Mark Mayfield.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
Mice, president of JD Vance, said the rhetoric is out
of control.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
When the luft wing media lies about what they're doing,
when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie
about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing
is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence.
Speaker 11 (31:36):
The shooter has been identified as twenty nine year old
Joshua John. He was found dead from a self inflicted
gunshot wounded.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
A near my apartment building.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
FBI Director Cash Mattel posted a picture on ex of
shellcasings with the phrase anti ICE that were found at
the scene. No ICE agents were injured in the shooting.
I'm Mark Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Her morning show national correspondent Roory O'Neil is here. What
more do we know about this twenty nine year old?
I know we have the anti ICE written. That's the
third shooter in a row that's writing on ammunition. I
don't think transgendered, but certainly anti ice.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
Right, But we don't know why and what radicalized him,
and that's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Now, was it a group, was it something he found online?
Was it?
Speaker 13 (32:17):
And who was financing that group? Where did it come from?
So all those questions need to be answered because the
brother of this shooter says he wasn't particularly political, so
not sure where it comes from. His mom apparently may
have been. But still some questions about exactly what motivated
this man. The reasoning we may understand, but actually what
(32:37):
the motivation is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
The question we also had that all those sim cards
and whatever that plot was in New York, whether had
anything to do with the UN or something separate that happening,
this happening, these kinds of but this is what this
shooting Charlie Kirk, Minneapolis. That's three three writing on am
(33:00):
three writing on weapons and that's all in what four weeks?
Three weeks?
Speaker 13 (33:07):
Yeah, this seems to be a newer trend that we're seeing.
It was trying there was another case from about a
year ago. I'm trying to remit that's escaping me.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But yeah, this is something that was in Nashville, the
one in Nashville where they told right to the school.
But I mean that's one, two three, transgender one anti ice.
I could do a best of audio of how politicians
in the media have been handling these issues. And it's
kind of a checkmate because whatever the president does, the
left will play the narrative, Oh, you're deporting, you're just
(33:37):
getting rid of enemies, and you're breaking up families, and
you're gestopo policing on the streets or you know, if
you clean up the streets of DC or going to
any other city using the military against your own people.
No matter what, they keep playing this rhetoric. I mean,
we do have one side on a roll that seems
to be getting very violent, and it's the left.
Speaker 13 (33:57):
Well, I would also say that a lot of the
information Ice going to these twenty some things is also
via the phone and isn't necessarily from the talking heads.
It's videos that they're seeing that have been edited, cutspun,
that have graphics on them and messaging that may not
be the truth. And that's also I think fueling a
lot of this, the images that they see on their phones.
(34:18):
Because I don't think a whole lot of twenty year
olds are listening to a you know, the speaker at
the House, or the or the Democratic Majority leader.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Or whatever it may be. Oh, get to your point.
You want to see what they've done with Charlie Kirk's assassination.
You ought to go with. The right has turned it
into a big conspiracy. And the shooter isn't the shooter,
and he's going to get off because he's not the shooter,
and they're hiding it from you. I mean, there's no
Norse time. There means, seems to be no center of truth,
(34:45):
and the violence is getting increasingly more frequent. We'll keep
an eye on it. We'll keep fighting away for the truth.
Appreciate you, Rory Blie. Guys having said all of this,
move forward, make a difference in someone's life, Cherish your own.
Live this day, you'll forget to live it again, and
we'll see in the morning.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
We're all in this together. This is your Morning Show
with Michael Del Jorno.
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