October 2, 2025 • 35 mins
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Good morning. The federal government shutdown enters day two. How
long will it last? How long does it last? And
how does it affect things the longer it lasts. You know,
we kind of uh just there was a lot of
silliness very early in the show. Forrest Gump even showed up.
(01:21):
But from a serious perspective, we said, this is political theater. Absolutely,
listen to this. The AI is trying to talk to me. You, Yes,
what's coming on with AI? It's taking on personhood today.
(01:42):
I'm sorry, I know, shutdown, but you know, I we
said this is political theater over legislative duty. I loved
what Red said. We don't have statesmen anymore. There's social
media influencers. It's really gotten onsensical. And so the big
question is, all right, the government's partially shut down. Let's
talk to an economist. What is worse for the economy
(02:05):
a partial government shut down or an open government piling
on the debt. David Bonnson is that economist. He joins
us from Bonson Financial Group. You probably see him on
Fox Business all the time, and he joins us every Thursday.
Good morning, David, Good morning, Michael, good to be with you.
I guess the question just a paraphrase, you would have
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to fairly ask an economist, how does a shutdown affect
the economy? Well, it depends how long, right, of course, And.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The answer is basically on historical precedent, absolutely not at
all macro, because it always reopens, and to the extent
that there's damage done, it's mostly just to hit to
our credibility that it gets somewhat modestly priced in across
financial markets and currency exchange and things like that. I
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think we become more of a laughing stock for our
governmental dysfunction. But there isn't a significant GDP hit. And
I hate to tell you, but when you say what's worse,
you know, an open government because of the debt or
a shut down government, there's no difference because every when
they reopen, everything is going to be respect So we're
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not saving any money by being shut down. I mean,
anyone who thinks, well, this is going to help our
physical position doesn't understand how it works.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
All we're doing is delaying the.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Significant outlays and they can fire a bunch of people
along the way, but they're going to spend that money elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So no, we're not saving any money with this nonsense.
So how different is how we run government from how
we would run a business or how we run our household?
We have zero based, prioritize balance budgets, there are no uncertainties,
there is no ability to just simply go over and
keep going over. I've always said a zero based, prioritized
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balance budget with no continuing resolutions and one budget that
coincides with the two year legislative cycle might be a
lot wiser than what we have. People probably notice this
week the market has not plunged over this because nobody
thinks it's going to last very long, and everybody kind
of sees through that it's an out of control spending
government too big in size, but it'll remain that and
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eventually everyone will get their back pay, and if they don't,
it'll be spent anyway. So no effect is the answer, right, well,
no effects to financial markets.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No effects to total production of goods and services. There's
other effects in the sense of First of all, I
just want to be curious to be because I do
this on your show all the time, and I'm not
going to stop today. This one is Democrat party theater.
The Republicans have done this a dozen times and it's
total nonsense. So the media right now is just bathing
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in hypocrisy for celebrating Schumer's antics. In ways they've condemned
Republicans in the past, But they're about eight people in
the country that can have a moral high ground right
now who have said every time it's done that it's
astronomically irresponsible. Now, this is not to say that past
Republican shutdowns were not done for a good cause, but
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they certainly were not done to a good effect. I
don't think that every time we shut them down we
got lower spending out of it, and I don't think
we've got a darn thing out of one.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of them ever.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All we do is get headlines and to your point,
social media clicks and the theatrical performative component of it.
So the Democrats, now, Chuck Schumer is in a very
difficult position with his own base, just like in the
past Republicans have been in a tough position of their
own base. But when you asked how this comparison normal business,
(05:44):
the big difference is, but business passes a budget. See
people saying, well, we have to use a shutdown because
the government's doing things that are wrong. They're doing things
that are wrong that you passed into law.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Don't pass the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Law, then they're not spending money that you It didn't
congressionally approve. So that's the issue, is people are upset
about what has actually been done legislatively.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And they're using debt ceiling.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And other mechanical issues continued you know, lack of continuing resolutions,
things like that for gamesmanship.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It tries to be bonkers because.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It's not unbecoming of a country with three hundred and
thirty million people thirty trillion dollars in gross domestic product.
It's more appropriate for a Banana Republic. And I've said this,
by the way, since twenty eleven when the Republicans did it.
There's no reason for us to shut the government down
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when we have the ability to pass the laws that
we think need to be passed.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So if it goes on for a long time and
no one believes it will to the point you made,
I can think of and I highlighted about five that
are about to join Fetterman and Cortes, Masto and others,
And in the case of four of them, they have
signaled as such and they don't face reelection, so there's
no consequence. So nobody really seriously thinks this is going
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to last more than a week or two. If it did,
then you get into federal employees forced to work without pay.
They'll eventually get back pay, but that can be troublesome.
And as the air traffic controllers did in a previous shutdown,
they start taking their vacations. Then you start having some
travel issues. But then you got the vendors of the
(07:30):
government too. But that's only if it goes on for
a long time and no one thinks it's going to right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well yeah, but again, I just it's not even worth
considering because there's so many variables of what canon will
be done along the way, and the whole thing is
so political in the past, and they would go do
images of people not being able to get in the Yellowstone.
That's because the people were politically using that to kind
of be the leverage. President Trump will have his own
(07:58):
version of leverage vote already's talked about using it as
a doze too. So they have control over the optics
and they'll end. You know, the question is not are
they going to reopen or not.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The question is who is.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Going to come out of this a political loser and
who's going to come out of political beneficiary. And the
narrative was the Republicans will win the.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Democrats will lose.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Now the narrative is, well, is there some way that
you know, Schumer can get some small benefit out of this,
or maybe some of these Democrats you're talking about flipping.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Can get a benefit.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And I continue to believe that it's going to be
the exact same thing almost everything is in our country
politically that you're going to go say your side one
and the side you don't like, you're going to say
they lost. It's just everybody is going to vote with
their own home team on it. But in reality, look,
I don't think anybody looks good in it. And is
(08:54):
President Trump possibly overplaying his hand politically, Yes, of course
he's kind of you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Know, good at doing that. But then but is it
going to damage him? Not at all? His people aren't
going to leave him over it. Well, that's the bigger,
clear and present danger, isn't it? The division in this
country and the matrix in this country. Statesmen would go
behind closed doors, have all these spirited arguments and come
out with a budget because that's their duty, that's their job.
Now they do this all in public. They make it
(09:19):
political theater of which American people bite play all the
anger and fighting out and then they'll resolve it and
they go on their merry way, getting richer and richer,
and we're more and more divided or hate each other
even more. That's why I would say, no, the big
loser in this political theater is always the American people,
because we have a dysfunctional Congress that's becoming a dysfunctional society.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, but I think you have the chicken or egg
maybe a little backwards there, because we do have a
dysfunctional society that elected this dysfunction all of Congress and
does it every two years. They get a chance of
a new bite of the apple every two years. So
I agree one hundred percent. But the issue about statesmanship,
you celebrate it. I celebrate it. I don't just celebrate it.
(10:04):
I pray for it. I crave it. There is a
significant group in the right and a significant group in
the left that believe what you just said is a feature,
not a bug, of the current system. Their closet or
in some cases not closet leninists, their French Revolution kids,
not American revolution kids. They think this is all adorable,
(10:27):
the lack of statesmanship. Where I believe that the ancient
history of my childhood when Reagan and Tip O'Neil, and
then in my young adult years with Quinton and Jingrich
when they worked out things behind closed doors. Had to
get votes, had to compromise, had to allow a divided
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country of different factions and interest in economic walks of life,
had to go let the democracy work the way our
federalist papers described it. Now we think this is fun,
and I'm sorry, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No, not at all. Closing moments with our economist David
Bonsen bottom line, what reforms or or what return of
mindset must we come to to avoid this ever happening again,
Because it's not only going to happen again. It might
(11:23):
happen again in November. But from an economist standpoint, you know,
how do we keep this remember happening again? Vote differently?
I mean I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You said reforms and then and then said different mindset,
because I think this are two different things, because reforms
implied to what we're dealing with is a procedural problem,
and I'm just not convinced we are.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think that more or less.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean, there's always things you can improve with process,
but for the most part, I believe God made the
world that pivots to the good side of the bad
side on the behavior of people, and we have to
have a higher character people, which also means a higher
character Congress, they're you know, less pride, don't not as
(12:07):
worried about how this is going to look to your base,
and more worried about how it's going to benefit the
now you know WHOA I don't know how about this
fidelity to your constitutional vow?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Or does anyone remember that? Coming up tomorrow? I believe
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
I've been out in New York City all week and
about to go into my twenty fifth meeting with different
money managers, hedge funds, economist bankers that we work with,
and I am going to be taking a few of
my major recaps from the week, major themes takeaways from
this incredibly deep intellectual stimulation I've subjected myself to for
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We got some real special ones coming. Big look in
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This is your morning show with Michael del Chono.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, there is other news besides day two of the
government shut down. In fact, there are multiple reports the
US will provide Ukraine with intelligence to conduct missile strikes
deep inside Russia. I remind you wars rarely end where
they begin and with the same players involved. Is this escalation?
Is this just rumor Mark Mayfield as more.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The reports cite US officials saying the long range strikes
will target Russia's energy infrastructure. The US is also considering
sending missiles to Ukraine that could be used in the strikes.
The Wall Street Journal reports the US is also asking
natal allies to provide similar support. The US has been
giving intelligence to Ukraine for much of the war with Russia,
but this will make it easier for Ukraine to hit
Russian pipelines, refineries and infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump is defending his decision to
deploy the National Guard troops to Portland.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
According to the President, he had no choice but to
deploy troops of the protests of local officials and referred
to the city as a never ending disaster. The War
Department authorized two hundred members of Oregon's National Guard after
Trump said he would send troops to protect the city
and an ice facility. The state of Oregon, as well
as the city of Portland, have sued the administration in
an effort to block the deployment of troops to the city.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm Tammy Trheo Governor Kathy Hochel is warning that the
federal government shutdown will have what she calls devastating effects
on workers and small businesses in New York.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Hocal says tens of thousands of federal workers in New
York State are being furloughed, while the central federal employees
are being forced to work without pay.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Donald Trump and the Republicans in Washington forced a government shutdown,
extinguishing all hope that Washington could find a path to
avoid inflicting pain on millions of Americans.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
She adds there will be delayed in the processing of
federal benefits, and farmers won't get emergency aid programs like
Snap risk running out of money. Federal reimbursements to hospitals
will be delayed. Steppringle NBC News Radio in New York.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
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If you're in the Central time zone, you got it
just about twenty four minutes to be to work by
eight o'clock. All right. The federal government shutdown is now
in day two. House Minority leader Hockeying Jeffrey says, I
haven't heard from the president since Monday. And the Dodgers
dy've advanced sweeping the Reds. They'll take on the Phillies
on Saturday. But the other three games or winner take
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all today in the wildcard. Oh and did I mention
always entertainment, always entertaining, often revealing sounds.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Of the day, or everybody block aloud, Look, you just
gotta try harder, not the saw.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I'm grab the opportunity for a brief Pa Civics lesson.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Sure, perhaps you'd like to be alone with you Raly
deteriorating mental conditions.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I think this is the sound of the year. I mean,
if we had to say what was the sound of
the year, last year had to be how do you
like my garbage truck would be one of them. Uh.
This was a moment that happened day before yesterday at
the White House as the President's rolling out Trump bar X.
(18:52):
Behind him is our Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior, or is the President calls him. We know
from Friday with forty seven. Bobby, listen, we'll get it
down even further. But insulin was people weren't taking it.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
I would imagine they just they couldn't take God bless you, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Oh but I didn't catch COVID just there. Tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He's give me a Paxslova immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I mean, you know, people always remember Ronald Reagan as
the great communicator. He was the SoundBite President. He played
for the audio clip and he was funny, naturally. Kennedy
was funny naturally in news conferences. Oh my gosh, Donald
(19:45):
Trump is the funniest president. And I don't know the
difference between Friday with forty seven and Friday in the
Oval Office from time to time. All Right, we talked
about the government shutdown and it is political, partisan, dysfunctional
theater over duty. And who better to star in any
dysfunctional political theater than aoc on. With MSNBC's Chris Hayes
(20:10):
making the claim she's taking the lead, I.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Want to just ask you straight up, like, are you
planning to primary challenge him? Do you think that's why
he's doing this?
Speaker 11 (20:19):
This is so not about me in this moment. This
is about people being able to ensure their children. And
I will say because I saw some senators speculating about this,
and I saw some Republican members of Congress.
Speaker 12 (20:37):
Saying, oh, well, if we have this shutdown it's because
of aoc Well, if that's the case, my office is
open and you are free to walk in and negotiate
with me directly, because what I'm not going to do
is tolerate four million uninsured Americans because Donald Trump decided
one day that he wants to just make sure that
kids are dying because they don't have access to.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That's what it is. President wants children to die. That's
AOC not running for Senate but running for president, which
is coming. This is a great clip. This is why
this is an OSCAR nominating Sounds of the Day. So
here's Nancy Pelosi and she's ready to blast this reporter.
(21:25):
She just goes into political theater mode and she's going
to blast the reporter until the reporter makes it about
AOC to what she has to backtrack immediately listen.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yes, and she said that senators are welcome to go
to her office directly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Is she driving on?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'm just quoting what AOC said. She said, go to
her office directly. Do you think there's any credibility to
that directing this?
Speaker 9 (21:48):
She's wonderful, she's a real.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Team player.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
And the rest of that you started by saying Republicans
saying that she's directing this. She is not hocking jeffries Is.
And this takes a lot of experience, a lot of
unity from the caucus in terms of the point of view.
And that's what this is. She's an articulate I was
(22:13):
spoke working for her point of view, how King Jeffries
is the game's the leader.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The issue is the Senate. That's where you need sixty
That's where you need bipartisanship, not the House. And everybody
knows they're just trying to undo the big beautiful bill.
As we said, this would add one point five trillion
dollars of spending over not quite seven weeks. How long
(22:47):
ago does the year two thousand scene, because that was
the total budget in two thousand. Now it just buys
you month, month and a half. Of course, Jade Bann
says his view of what's causing the show.
Speaker 13 (23:00):
Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering health
care costs, and yet when the President took his storic
action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription
drug prices, the Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact,
we would have loved to have the Democrats helping us,
but they didn't. They talk about doing something, they don't
actually do the hard work of making it happen. What
they have done instead is to shut down the government
(23:21):
because we won't give billions of dollars to health care
funding for illegal aliens. That is what has actually happened
to the American people who are watching. The reason your
government is shut down at this very minute is because
despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Congressional Republicans
and even a few moderate Democrats supported opening the government,
the Chuck Schumer, AOC wing of the Democratic Party, shut
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down the government because they said to us, we will
open the government, but only if you give billions of
dollars of funding for health care for illegal aliens.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
That's a ridiculous proposition. Well, that argument played out this
way with Forget. It was so funny. We were talking
with John Decker, a White House correspondent, and his first
government shutdown that he covered was in ninety five, and
there was a political operative with inside the Clinton administration
(24:13):
that was giving him all kinds of insight information. That
political operative was George Stepanophilis. He's still a political operative,
only now he hosts Good Morning America. Here he is
with Speaker Johnson. Care of facts, Well, here are the facts.
Speaker 10 (24:27):
The proposal does not provide healthcare for illegal immigrants. Illegal
intrance cannot buy healthcare under the Affordable Care Act. They
cannot receive healthcare subsidies. Immigrants are ineligible for Medicare Medicaid
and the Children's Health Program. The Democratic bill does not
make them eligible.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Presented as fact.
Speaker 14 (24:46):
It does actually because what it does is it unwinds
the changes that Republicans put into the big beautiful bill,
the big signature legislation that we passed and signed in
a law in July fourth, that has been very successful
in shoring up Medicaid for the people who are actually
eligible to receive it. What we did in the bill,
and the CBO just verified this three weeks ago. The
Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan arbiters of everything up here,
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they said that those provisions have helped.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
To reduce premiums.
Speaker 14 (25:13):
Why because we got ineligible recipients off of Medicaid, illegal
aliens enabled by young men who were riding the wagon
were not eligible to be there. Medicaid is intended for
specific populations of US citizens, that is, young, pregnant women
who are down on their luck.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That disabled in the elderly.
Speaker 14 (25:30):
Those resources are being drained from those folks, and so
we fixed that. We reduced fraud, waste, and abuse in
the program. Chuck Schumer's counterproposal on the r would reverse that.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That is a simple fact.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
The CBO did not say immigrants. You've made your point
right there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You've made your point, even though I started the point
off by saying what is not fact is fact. Nice
to see George Stepanophilus is still up to being a
political operative. And how far has the Democrat Party changed.
Here's a flashback for you, because I think most people
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with a straight face would say this is over undoing
the big beautiful bill, which the proper political way to
overdo that is to campaign on it, get control of
the House and or the Senate, and then change the laws,
not hold up everybody else for a partisan difference. This
(26:28):
is dysfunctional partisan political theater over statesmanship. But if we're
going to zoom in on the issue of giving benefits
to illegals, I don't need a flash card like Joe
Biden apparently needed. This is Hillary Rodham Clinton at the time.
(26:49):
A first lady, listen as to illegal aliens.
Speaker 15 (26:52):
We agree with you that we do not think the
comprehensive healthcare benefits should be extended to those who are undocked,
men of workers and illegal aliens. We do not want
to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country.
We know now that too many people come in for
medical care as it is. We certainly don't want them
(27:12):
having the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yes, what happened to that Hillary Clinton? What happened to
that Democrat Party? Here's a cheam Jeffries visiting with CNN.
He hasn't heard from the president since Monday.
Speaker 16 (27:32):
But what you support does bring back funding for emergency
medicaid to hospitals, some of which does pay for undocumented
immigrants and people who.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Don't have health insurance. And also there is.
Speaker 16 (27:45):
This provision and it's not about undocumented immigrants, it's about
people with asylum seekers and people with temporary protected status,
et cetera, et cetera, but about their ability to get medicaid.
So they're non citizens, they're not undocumented, they're not illegal.
Why even include that in a bill knowing that they're
going to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Seize right upon it. This is what's beautile message about this.
He's saying, why would you even throw that in there,
even in bias? Why would you be that stupid answer.
Speaker 16 (28:15):
I understand that when you retake the House, you can
get whatever you want past, but at this point, well.
Speaker 17 (28:20):
What we're doing is fighting to protect the healthcare of
the American people against the largest cut to Medicaid ever.
Fourteen million American citizens are going to lose their healthcare as.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
A result of what Republicans.
Speaker 18 (28:33):
Are They're talking about, but I'm talking about no, no, no.
Speaker 17 (28:36):
I'm talking about the Medicaid cuts. That document that you
just showed me, that was the one big ugly bill.
Fourteen million Americans are going to loose.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
If you were serious about only protecting American citizens access
to Medicare Medicaid, why would you include illegals. Jack's not
going to get his answer. Access to healthcare.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
They're hospitals, their nursing home homes, their community based health
clinics are closing because of what the Republicans have done.
These are hard working American taxpayers, and the Republicans know
they're lying about this issue. By the way, current federal
law is clear taxpayer dollars cannot be spent on Medicaid
(29:18):
or Medicare or the Affordable Care Act related to undocumented immigrants,
and not a single Democrat has raised the issue of
trying to reverse that federal law. What we are trying
to do is save the healthcare of the American people,
lower their costs, and cancel these cuts.
Speaker 16 (29:36):
Do you not think that the provisions that provide healthcare
for non citizens muddies that message?
Speaker 17 (29:44):
No, you're referring to emergency care.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, and we all know where it goes, by the way,
the whole time they're having an interview. Don't you love
how the media has the little clock or now it's
seventeen hours today, it'll be or at thirty six hours,
like it's some kind of crit Don't you love how
the media plays along with the political theater. As I
always say, this government shutdown kind of like COVID, kind
(30:12):
of like a lot of other things. It reveals far
more than it actually does. I'm waiting the consequences.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's the best way to get back on your fat
is to get.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Up off your eye. I've been living rent free in
that guy's head for years, and that's just a bum.
Do you call that chicken a add They're just blowing off,
Steve And that's your Sounds of the Day.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It has been a weird day. Oh, good morning. I
hope you know. I always say we can't control all
the rest of your day goes, but we can start
your morning off right. I don't know that we did today,
And it all started with Sid in Memphis calls up
as Forrest Company. I mean, boom, we just go off
the rails. But Red and I were just talking off
the air. I mean, seriously, you've got social media influencer agitators,
(31:06):
not statesmen. You have dysfunctional partisan, obstructive political theater, not
legislative duty. And they're still fighting. I mean, and that
last clip that's Jake Todd Tapper showing him the graphic
(31:28):
was right on screen, how you're going to fund Medicare
and medicaid for illegals, and he's asking, why would you
do that? I mean, if you really are concerned that
there's not going to be money for everybody, why would
you put that in? Like the Republicans wouldn't notice it,
And he's still denying it. They can't even be serious
(31:48):
about what they're different differentiating. And the other part is
when it's all said and done, they will move on,
they will backpay, we will go continuously more in debt,
and then we'll do this all again in November. It's embarrassing, destructive.
It's revealing of how what used to be checks and
(32:12):
balances of a two party system has become obstructive and dysfunctional.
They can't do their jobs. And then the media playing
along with the countdown doomsday clocks. Oh, I mean, how
many times do I have to live this ignorance before
(32:34):
I start finding ways to keep myself stimulated in the morning.
So a federal government shut down day two? Ah. Meanwhile,
ICE agents will be attending the Super Bowl. We got
one listener very angry at me. I listen, it has
nothing to do with the fact that guys from Puerto
Rico and I don't think the halftime show should be there.
(32:54):
Just to please one listener, I suggested Dual Lipa or
Morgan Wall and he is I know he's white. I apologize.
I got attacked because if you want white boring music,
good for you, but leave us alone. I'm like, well,
I just want somebody. I want to you know, I
don't need a guy in address speaking the language. I
don't understand. If I opened up the phones right now,
(33:15):
could anybody name any of this guy's songs? And then
I got the listeners all chiming in with different names.
Hecky Settle for Dion Warwick at this point, just to
show you, I'm not in an over race, that's for sure,
And the Dodgers have advanced in the playoffs, but the
other three all evened up, and it's a winner take
all today for three wildcard games beginning at noon. All right,
(33:38):
how is America firing? I mean, we're one day into
this shutdown? Rory, has there been any loss of life
yet due to the government shutdown? My will to live
is going.
Speaker 18 (33:50):
But other than that, that's how I feel, exactly, I know,
and I think we're gonna get a lot more just
the talking heads yelling at each other and making accusations
until this does start to cause real pain, you know,
when the women and Infants and children nutrition program runs out,
or when soldiers aren't getting paid salaries, depending on how
(34:11):
long this goes, and you know, when there are those
other more practical effects that we start to see, when
local health departments are running out of money, then the
tone is going to change by these talking heads, especially
for these frequent flyers who are often on planes.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
All right, well, we're all working right now and not
going to get paid for two weeks. I mean, this
notion that all of this calamity is going to happen
when most people don't think that this is going to
last even two weeks. So but again to the simple point, though,
it depends how.
Speaker 19 (34:46):
Long it goes on, right, Yeah, And look the last
time it ended because the airports were all in danger
of shutting down, because the air traffic controllers and TSA
workers went a month without getting paychecks.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
They're sickouts. Forced the hand of Congress to find themselves
down in political theaters. Political theater till consequence arise rises,
and then you get real leadership, great reporting. Rory, all right,
go make a difference in someone's life, Cherish you almost
see it tomorrow morning for the next year. Morning Show.
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Good morning. The federal government shutdown enters day two. How
long will it last? How long does it last? And
how does it affect things the longer it lasts. You know,
we kind of uh just there was a lot of
silliness very early in the show. Forrest Gump even showed up.
(01:21):
But from a serious perspective, we said, this is political theater. Absolutely,
listen to this. The AI is trying to talk to me. You, Yes,
what's coming on with AI? It's taking on personhood today.
(01:42):
I'm sorry, I know, shutdown, but you know, I we
said this is political theater over legislative duty. I loved
what Red said. We don't have statesmen anymore. There's social
media influencers. It's really gotten onsensical. And so the big
question is, all right, the government's partially shut down. Let's
talk to an economist. What is worse for the economy
(02:05):
a partial government shut down or an open government piling
on the debt. David Bonnson is that economist. He joins
us from Bonson Financial Group. You probably see him on
Fox Business all the time, and he joins us every Thursday.
Good morning, David, Good morning, Michael, good to be with you.
I guess the question just a paraphrase, you would have
(02:26):
to fairly ask an economist, how does a shutdown affect
the economy? Well, it depends how long, right, of course, And.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The answer is basically on historical precedent, absolutely not at
all macro, because it always reopens, and to the extent
that there's damage done, it's mostly just to hit to
our credibility that it gets somewhat modestly priced in across
financial markets and currency exchange and things like that. I
(02:57):
think we become more of a laughing stock for our
governmental dysfunction. But there isn't a significant GDP hit. And
I hate to tell you, but when you say what's worse,
you know, an open government because of the debt or
a shut down government, there's no difference because every when
they reopen, everything is going to be respect So we're
(03:18):
not saving any money by being shut down. I mean,
anyone who thinks, well, this is going to help our
physical position doesn't understand how it works.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
All we're doing is delaying the.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Significant outlays and they can fire a bunch of people
along the way, but they're going to spend that money elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So no, we're not saving any money with this nonsense.
So how different is how we run government from how
we would run a business or how we run our household?
We have zero based, prioritize balance budgets, there are no uncertainties,
there is no ability to just simply go over and
keep going over. I've always said a zero based, prioritized
(03:57):
balance budget with no continuing resolutions and one budget that
coincides with the two year legislative cycle might be a
lot wiser than what we have. People probably notice this
week the market has not plunged over this because nobody
thinks it's going to last very long, and everybody kind
of sees through that it's an out of control spending
government too big in size, but it'll remain that and
(04:20):
eventually everyone will get their back pay, and if they don't,
it'll be spent anyway. So no effect is the answer, right, well,
no effects to financial markets.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No effects to total production of goods and services. There's
other effects in the sense of First of all, I
just want to be curious to be because I do
this on your show all the time, and I'm not
going to stop today. This one is Democrat party theater.
The Republicans have done this a dozen times and it's
total nonsense. So the media right now is just bathing
(04:52):
in hypocrisy for celebrating Schumer's antics. In ways they've condemned
Republicans in the past, But they're about eight people in
the country that can have a moral high ground right
now who have said every time it's done that it's
astronomically irresponsible. Now, this is not to say that past
Republican shutdowns were not done for a good cause, but
(05:14):
they certainly were not done to a good effect. I
don't think that every time we shut them down we
got lower spending out of it, and I don't think
we've got a darn thing out of one.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of them ever.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
All we do is get headlines and to your point,
social media clicks and the theatrical performative component of it.
So the Democrats, now, Chuck Schumer is in a very
difficult position with his own base, just like in the
past Republicans have been in a tough position of their
own base. But when you asked how this comparison normal business,
(05:44):
the big difference is, but business passes a budget. See
people saying, well, we have to use a shutdown because
the government's doing things that are wrong. They're doing things
that are wrong that you passed into law.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Don't pass the.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Law, then they're not spending money that you It didn't
congressionally approve. So that's the issue, is people are upset
about what has actually been done legislatively.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And they're using debt ceiling.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And other mechanical issues continued you know, lack of continuing resolutions,
things like that for gamesmanship.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It tries to be bonkers because.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It's not unbecoming of a country with three hundred and
thirty million people thirty trillion dollars in gross domestic product.
It's more appropriate for a Banana Republic. And I've said this,
by the way, since twenty eleven when the Republicans did it.
There's no reason for us to shut the government down
(06:40):
when we have the ability to pass the laws that
we think need to be passed.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So if it goes on for a long time and
no one believes it will to the point you made,
I can think of and I highlighted about five that
are about to join Fetterman and Cortes, Masto and others,
And in the case of four of them, they have
signaled as such and they don't face reelection, so there's
no consequence. So nobody really seriously thinks this is going
(07:09):
to last more than a week or two. If it did,
then you get into federal employees forced to work without pay.
They'll eventually get back pay, but that can be troublesome.
And as the air traffic controllers did in a previous shutdown,
they start taking their vacations. Then you start having some
travel issues. But then you got the vendors of the
(07:30):
government too. But that's only if it goes on for
a long time and no one thinks it's going to right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well yeah, but again, I just it's not even worth
considering because there's so many variables of what canon will
be done along the way, and the whole thing is
so political in the past, and they would go do
images of people not being able to get in the Yellowstone.
That's because the people were politically using that to kind
of be the leverage. President Trump will have his own
(07:58):
version of leverage vote already's talked about using it as
a doze too. So they have control over the optics
and they'll end. You know, the question is not are
they going to reopen or not.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The question is who is.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Going to come out of this a political loser and
who's going to come out of political beneficiary. And the
narrative was the Republicans will win the.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Democrats will lose.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Now the narrative is, well, is there some way that
you know, Schumer can get some small benefit out of this,
or maybe some of these Democrats you're talking about flipping.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Can get a benefit.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And I continue to believe that it's going to be
the exact same thing almost everything is in our country
politically that you're going to go say your side one
and the side you don't like, you're going to say
they lost. It's just everybody is going to vote with
their own home team on it. But in reality, look,
I don't think anybody looks good in it. And is
(08:54):
President Trump possibly overplaying his hand politically, Yes, of course
he's kind of you.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Know, good at doing that. But then but is it
going to damage him? Not at all? His people aren't
going to leave him over it. Well, that's the bigger,
clear and present danger, isn't it? The division in this
country and the matrix in this country. Statesmen would go
behind closed doors, have all these spirited arguments and come
out with a budget because that's their duty, that's their job.
Now they do this all in public. They make it
(09:19):
political theater of which American people bite play all the
anger and fighting out and then they'll resolve it and
they go on their merry way, getting richer and richer,
and we're more and more divided or hate each other
even more. That's why I would say, no, the big
loser in this political theater is always the American people,
because we have a dysfunctional Congress that's becoming a dysfunctional society.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, but I think you have the chicken or egg
maybe a little backwards there, because we do have a
dysfunctional society that elected this dysfunction all of Congress and
does it every two years. They get a chance of
a new bite of the apple every two years. So
I agree one hundred percent. But the issue about statesmanship,
you celebrate it. I celebrate it. I don't just celebrate it.
(10:04):
I pray for it. I crave it. There is a
significant group in the right and a significant group in
the left that believe what you just said is a feature,
not a bug, of the current system. Their closet or
in some cases not closet leninists, their French Revolution kids,
not American revolution kids. They think this is all adorable,
(10:27):
the lack of statesmanship. Where I believe that the ancient
history of my childhood when Reagan and Tip O'Neil, and
then in my young adult years with Quinton and Jingrich
when they worked out things behind closed doors. Had to
get votes, had to compromise, had to allow a divided
(10:48):
country of different factions and interest in economic walks of life,
had to go let the democracy work the way our
federalist papers described it. Now we think this is fun,
and I'm sorry, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No, not at all. Closing moments with our economist David
Bonsen bottom line, what reforms or or what return of
mindset must we come to to avoid this ever happening again,
Because it's not only going to happen again. It might
(11:23):
happen again in November. But from an economist standpoint, you know,
how do we keep this remember happening again? Vote differently?
I mean I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You said reforms and then and then said different mindset,
because I think this are two different things, because reforms
implied to what we're dealing with is a procedural problem,
and I'm just not convinced we are.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think that more or less.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean, there's always things you can improve with process,
but for the most part, I believe God made the
world that pivots to the good side of the bad
side on the behavior of people, and we have to
have a higher character people, which also means a higher
character Congress, they're you know, less pride, don't not as
(12:07):
worried about how this is going to look to your base,
and more worried about how it's going to benefit the
now you know WHOA I don't know how about this
fidelity to your constitutional vow?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Or does anyone remember that? Coming up tomorrow? I believe
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Speaker 3 (12:35):
I've been out in New York City all week and
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We got some real special ones coming. Big look in
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Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chono.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, there is other news besides day two of the
government shut down. In fact, there are multiple reports the
US will provide Ukraine with intelligence to conduct missile strikes
deep inside Russia. I remind you wars rarely end where
they begin and with the same players involved. Is this escalation?
Is this just rumor Mark Mayfield as more.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The reports cite US officials saying the long range strikes
will target Russia's energy infrastructure. The US is also considering
sending missiles to Ukraine that could be used in the strikes.
The Wall Street Journal reports the US is also asking
natal allies to provide similar support. The US has been
giving intelligence to Ukraine for much of the war with Russia,
but this will make it easier for Ukraine to hit
Russian pipelines, refineries and infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm Mark Mayfield. President Trump is defending his decision to
deploy the National Guard troops to Portland.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
According to the President, he had no choice but to
deploy troops of the protests of local officials and referred
to the city as a never ending disaster. The War
Department authorized two hundred members of Oregon's National Guard after
Trump said he would send troops to protect the city
and an ice facility. The state of Oregon, as well
as the city of Portland, have sued the administration in
an effort to block the deployment of troops to the city.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I'm Tammy Trheo Governor Kathy Hochel is warning that the
federal government shutdown will have what she calls devastating effects
on workers and small businesses in New York.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Hocal says tens of thousands of federal workers in New
York State are being furloughed, while the central federal employees
are being forced to work without pay.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Donald Trump and the Republicans in Washington forced a government shutdown,
extinguishing all hope that Washington could find a path to
avoid inflicting pain on millions of Americans.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
She adds there will be delayed in the processing of
federal benefits, and farmers won't get emergency aid programs like
Snap risk running out of money. Federal reimbursements to hospitals
will be delayed. Steppringle NBC News Radio in New York.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, there's got to be a day for everything, right.
Today's National Name Your Card.
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eight o'clock. All right. The federal government shutdown is now
in day two. House Minority leader Hockeying Jeffrey says, I
haven't heard from the president since Monday. And the Dodgers
dy've advanced sweeping the Reds. They'll take on the Phillies
on Saturday. But the other three games or winner take
(18:07):
all today in the wildcard. Oh and did I mention
always entertainment, always entertaining, often revealing sounds.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Of the day, or everybody block aloud, Look, you just
gotta try harder, not the saw.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I'm grab the opportunity for a brief Pa Civics lesson.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Sure, perhaps you'd like to be alone with you Raly
deteriorating mental conditions.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I think this is the sound of the year. I mean,
if we had to say what was the sound of
the year, last year had to be how do you
like my garbage truck would be one of them. Uh.
This was a moment that happened day before yesterday at
the White House as the President's rolling out Trump bar X.
(18:52):
Behind him is our Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior, or is the President calls him. We know
from Friday with forty seven. Bobby, listen, we'll get it
down even further. But insulin was people weren't taking it.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
I would imagine they just they couldn't take God bless you, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Oh but I didn't catch COVID just there. Tell me.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He's give me a Paxslova immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I mean, you know, people always remember Ronald Reagan as
the great communicator. He was the SoundBite President. He played
for the audio clip and he was funny, naturally. Kennedy
was funny naturally in news conferences. Oh my gosh, Donald
(19:45):
Trump is the funniest president. And I don't know the
difference between Friday with forty seven and Friday in the
Oval Office from time to time. All Right, we talked
about the government shutdown and it is political, partisan, dysfunctional
theater over duty. And who better to star in any
dysfunctional political theater than aoc on. With MSNBC's Chris Hayes
(20:10):
making the claim she's taking the lead, I.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Want to just ask you straight up, like, are you
planning to primary challenge him? Do you think that's why
he's doing this?
Speaker 11 (20:19):
This is so not about me in this moment. This
is about people being able to ensure their children. And
I will say because I saw some senators speculating about this,
and I saw some Republican members of Congress.
Speaker 12 (20:37):
Saying, oh, well, if we have this shutdown it's because
of aoc Well, if that's the case, my office is
open and you are free to walk in and negotiate
with me directly, because what I'm not going to do
is tolerate four million uninsured Americans because Donald Trump decided
one day that he wants to just make sure that
kids are dying because they don't have access to.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That's what it is. President wants children to die. That's
AOC not running for Senate but running for president, which
is coming. This is a great clip. This is why
this is an OSCAR nominating Sounds of the Day. So
here's Nancy Pelosi and she's ready to blast this reporter.
(21:25):
She just goes into political theater mode and she's going
to blast the reporter until the reporter makes it about
AOC to what she has to backtrack immediately listen.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yes, and she said that senators are welcome to go
to her office directly.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Is she driving on?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'm just quoting what AOC said. She said, go to
her office directly. Do you think there's any credibility to
that directing this?
Speaker 9 (21:48):
She's wonderful, she's a real.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Team player.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
And the rest of that you started by saying Republicans
saying that she's directing this. She is not hocking jeffries Is.
And this takes a lot of experience, a lot of
unity from the caucus in terms of the point of view.
And that's what this is. She's an articulate I was
(22:13):
spoke working for her point of view, how King Jeffries
is the game's the leader.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The issue is the Senate. That's where you need sixty
That's where you need bipartisanship, not the House. And everybody
knows they're just trying to undo the big beautiful bill.
As we said, this would add one point five trillion
dollars of spending over not quite seven weeks. How long
(22:47):
ago does the year two thousand scene, because that was
the total budget in two thousand. Now it just buys
you month, month and a half. Of course, Jade Bann
says his view of what's causing the show.
Speaker 13 (23:00):
Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering health
care costs, and yet when the President took his storic
action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription
drug prices, the Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact,
we would have loved to have the Democrats helping us,
but they didn't. They talk about doing something, they don't
actually do the hard work of making it happen. What
they have done instead is to shut down the government
(23:21):
because we won't give billions of dollars to health care
funding for illegal aliens. That is what has actually happened
to the American people who are watching. The reason your
government is shut down at this very minute is because
despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Congressional Republicans
and even a few moderate Democrats supported opening the government,
the Chuck Schumer, AOC wing of the Democratic Party, shut
(23:43):
down the government because they said to us, we will
open the government, but only if you give billions of
dollars of funding for health care for illegal aliens.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
That's a ridiculous proposition. Well, that argument played out this
way with Forget. It was so funny. We were talking
with John Decker, a White House correspondent, and his first
government shutdown that he covered was in ninety five, and
there was a political operative with inside the Clinton administration
(24:13):
that was giving him all kinds of insight information. That
political operative was George Stepanophilis. He's still a political operative,
only now he hosts Good Morning America. Here he is
with Speaker Johnson. Care of facts, Well, here are the facts.
Speaker 10 (24:27):
The proposal does not provide healthcare for illegal immigrants. Illegal
intrance cannot buy healthcare under the Affordable Care Act. They
cannot receive healthcare subsidies. Immigrants are ineligible for Medicare Medicaid
and the Children's Health Program. The Democratic bill does not
make them eligible.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Presented as fact.
Speaker 14 (24:46):
It does actually because what it does is it unwinds
the changes that Republicans put into the big beautiful bill,
the big signature legislation that we passed and signed in
a law in July fourth, that has been very successful
in shoring up Medicaid for the people who are actually
eligible to receive it. What we did in the bill,
and the CBO just verified this three weeks ago. The
Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan arbiters of everything up here,
(25:09):
they said that those provisions have helped.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
To reduce premiums.
Speaker 14 (25:13):
Why because we got ineligible recipients off of Medicaid, illegal
aliens enabled by young men who were riding the wagon
were not eligible to be there. Medicaid is intended for
specific populations of US citizens, that is, young, pregnant women
who are down on their luck.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That disabled in the elderly.
Speaker 14 (25:30):
Those resources are being drained from those folks, and so
we fixed that. We reduced fraud, waste, and abuse in
the program. Chuck Schumer's counterproposal on the r would reverse that.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That is a simple fact.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
The CBO did not say immigrants. You've made your point
right there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You've made your point, even though I started the point
off by saying what is not fact is fact. Nice
to see George Stepanophilus is still up to being a
political operative. And how far has the Democrat Party changed.
Here's a flashback for you, because I think most people
(26:07):
with a straight face would say this is over undoing
the big beautiful bill, which the proper political way to
overdo that is to campaign on it, get control of
the House and or the Senate, and then change the laws,
not hold up everybody else for a partisan difference. This
(26:28):
is dysfunctional partisan political theater over statesmanship. But if we're
going to zoom in on the issue of giving benefits
to illegals, I don't need a flash card like Joe
Biden apparently needed. This is Hillary Rodham Clinton at the time.
(26:49):
A first lady, listen as to illegal aliens.
Speaker 15 (26:52):
We agree with you that we do not think the
comprehensive healthcare benefits should be extended to those who are undocked,
men of workers and illegal aliens. We do not want
to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country.
We know now that too many people come in for
medical care as it is. We certainly don't want them
(27:12):
having the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yes, what happened to that Hillary Clinton? What happened to
that Democrat Party? Here's a cheam Jeffries visiting with CNN.
He hasn't heard from the president since Monday.
Speaker 16 (27:32):
But what you support does bring back funding for emergency
medicaid to hospitals, some of which does pay for undocumented
immigrants and people who.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Don't have health insurance. And also there is.
Speaker 16 (27:45):
This provision and it's not about undocumented immigrants, it's about
people with asylum seekers and people with temporary protected status,
et cetera, et cetera, but about their ability to get medicaid.
So they're non citizens, they're not undocumented, they're not illegal.
Why even include that in a bill knowing that they're
going to.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Seize right upon it. This is what's beautile message about this.
He's saying, why would you even throw that in there,
even in bias? Why would you be that stupid answer.
Speaker 16 (28:15):
I understand that when you retake the House, you can
get whatever you want past, but at this point, well.
Speaker 17 (28:20):
What we're doing is fighting to protect the healthcare of
the American people against the largest cut to Medicaid ever.
Fourteen million American citizens are going to lose their healthcare as.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
A result of what Republicans.
Speaker 18 (28:33):
Are They're talking about, but I'm talking about no, no, no.
Speaker 17 (28:36):
I'm talking about the Medicaid cuts. That document that you
just showed me, that was the one big ugly bill.
Fourteen million Americans are going to loose.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
If you were serious about only protecting American citizens access
to Medicare Medicaid, why would you include illegals. Jack's not
going to get his answer. Access to healthcare.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
They're hospitals, their nursing home homes, their community based health
clinics are closing because of what the Republicans have done.
These are hard working American taxpayers, and the Republicans know
they're lying about this issue. By the way, current federal
law is clear taxpayer dollars cannot be spent on Medicaid
(29:18):
or Medicare or the Affordable Care Act related to undocumented immigrants,
and not a single Democrat has raised the issue of
trying to reverse that federal law. What we are trying
to do is save the healthcare of the American people,
lower their costs, and cancel these cuts.
Speaker 16 (29:36):
Do you not think that the provisions that provide healthcare
for non citizens muddies that message?
Speaker 17 (29:44):
No, you're referring to emergency care.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, and we all know where it goes, by the way,
the whole time they're having an interview. Don't you love
how the media has the little clock or now it's
seventeen hours today, it'll be or at thirty six hours,
like it's some kind of crit Don't you love how
the media plays along with the political theater. As I
always say, this government shutdown kind of like COVID, kind
(30:12):
of like a lot of other things. It reveals far
more than it actually does. I'm waiting the consequences.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's the best way to get back on your fat
is to get.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Up off your eye. I've been living rent free in
that guy's head for years, and that's just a bum.
Do you call that chicken a add They're just blowing off,
Steve And that's your Sounds of the Day.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's your morning show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It has been a weird day. Oh, good morning. I
hope you know. I always say we can't control all
the rest of your day goes, but we can start
your morning off right. I don't know that we did today,
And it all started with Sid in Memphis calls up
as Forrest Company. I mean, boom, we just go off
the rails. But Red and I were just talking off
the air. I mean, seriously, you've got social media influencer agitators,
(31:06):
not statesmen. You have dysfunctional partisan, obstructive political theater, not
legislative duty. And they're still fighting. I mean, and that
last clip that's Jake Todd Tapper showing him the graphic
(31:28):
was right on screen, how you're going to fund Medicare
and medicaid for illegals, and he's asking, why would you
do that? I mean, if you really are concerned that
there's not going to be money for everybody, why would
you put that in? Like the Republicans wouldn't notice it,
And he's still denying it. They can't even be serious
(31:48):
about what they're different differentiating. And the other part is
when it's all said and done, they will move on,
they will backpay, we will go continuously more in debt,
and then we'll do this all again in November. It's embarrassing, destructive.
It's revealing of how what used to be checks and
(32:12):
balances of a two party system has become obstructive and dysfunctional.
They can't do their jobs. And then the media playing
along with the countdown doomsday clocks. Oh, I mean, how
many times do I have to live this ignorance before
(32:34):
I start finding ways to keep myself stimulated in the morning.
So a federal government shut down day two? Ah. Meanwhile,
ICE agents will be attending the Super Bowl. We got
one listener very angry at me. I listen, it has
nothing to do with the fact that guys from Puerto
Rico and I don't think the halftime show should be there.
(32:54):
Just to please one listener, I suggested Dual Lipa or
Morgan Wall and he is I know he's white. I apologize.
I got attacked because if you want white boring music,
good for you, but leave us alone. I'm like, well,
I just want somebody. I want to you know, I
don't need a guy in address speaking the language. I
don't understand. If I opened up the phones right now,
(33:15):
could anybody name any of this guy's songs? And then
I got the listeners all chiming in with different names.
Hecky Settle for Dion Warwick at this point, just to
show you, I'm not in an over race, that's for sure,
And the Dodgers have advanced in the playoffs, but the
other three all evened up, and it's a winner take
all today for three wildcard games beginning at noon. All right,
(33:38):
how is America firing? I mean, we're one day into
this shutdown? Rory, has there been any loss of life
yet due to the government shutdown? My will to live
is going.
Speaker 18 (33:50):
But other than that, that's how I feel, exactly, I know,
and I think we're gonna get a lot more just
the talking heads yelling at each other and making accusations
until this does start to cause real pain, you know,
when the women and Infants and children nutrition program runs out,
or when soldiers aren't getting paid salaries, depending on how
(34:11):
long this goes, and you know, when there are those
other more practical effects that we start to see, when
local health departments are running out of money, then the
tone is going to change by these talking heads, especially
for these frequent flyers who are often on planes.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
All right, well, we're all working right now and not
going to get paid for two weeks. I mean, this
notion that all of this calamity is going to happen
when most people don't think that this is going to
last even two weeks. So but again to the simple point, though,
it depends how.
Speaker 19 (34:46):
Long it goes on, right, Yeah, And look the last
time it ended because the airports were all in danger
of shutting down, because the air traffic controllers and TSA
workers went a month without getting paychecks.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
They're sickouts. Forced the hand of Congress to find themselves
down in political theaters. Political theater till consequence arise rises,
and then you get real leadership, great reporting. Rory, all right,
go make a difference in someone's life, Cherish you almost
see it tomorrow morning for the next year. Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
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