October 16, 2025 • 34 mins
Are you feeling the holiday shopping stress already? You're not alone! National Correspondent Rory O'Neill reveals surprising facts about retail sales during these uncertain times. Plus, find out why consumers are returning billions of dollars in merchandise. Don't miss this eye-opening report!
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This is your.
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Morning show with Michael O'Dell Jordan.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And I don't know about you, but there is no
place I'd rather be than with you right now. Seven
minutes after the hour. It's Thursday, October the sixteenth, twenty
twenty five. Good morning. Let me give you the day
in a snapshot. Mom Dominie coming off is I'm for
Hamas not Israel? Interview with Martha on Fox is headed
(01:01):
to the debate stage tonight. I wonder if somebody'll just
ask him, are you an Islamist? The three will square
off Cuomo Sliwa and Mom Donnie in the big New
York City debate tonight. Maybe perhaps someone will ask him
the question, the cost of just your free buses and
childcare is seven billion dollars alone, where's that coming from?
(01:24):
And the governor says she's pledging to not raise taxes
and you can't raise taxes without her approval. Which of
you are lying? That'd be a great question, But we'll
see how that debate goes day sixteen of the shutdown.
We also in our polls are plenty see that in Virginia,
it's almost time to say a bye and bye to
Jay Jones. Those text message messages have flipped the attorney
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general race. He now trails forty nine to forty three percent.
And I don't think the governor's race is going to
look much better. And if you're feeling the holiday shopping
stress all ready, and I'm not, but you're not alone either.
National correspondent Roy O'Neil reveals surprising facts about retail sales
during this uncertain time. Good morning, Rory, and they're good morning, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
A new report finds that a lot of us are
feeling a bit of anxiety already planning for the holidays.
Maybe it's because we're looking at the cost of a
Christmas vacation and whether it's really going to be or
just fearing the cost of the wish list, that maybe
the kids are already starting to compile for the gifts
under the tree. But seventy percent of Americans say the
financial stress for the holidays is there. At about fifty
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eight percent say those financial worries actually are killed joys
are ruining the joy of the season, but the obsession
over all the expenses.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You know, I was driving the car with my son
and he's putting some things together. I mean, we've been
taking care of two sick grandmothers for seven years now,
and it's taking a toll in their childhood. He's also
figured out the Christmas is glorious as child, not so
glorious once you get older, until you have children. So
he's seeing that window. And I remember I proposed to him.
(03:07):
I said, you know, I don't know why we do
all this. Instead of everybody making a list because we
don't need anything like that, we should just start doing
a trip at Christmas. It might be the most fun
thing we can do, is make a memory. Because until
you guys get married and have kids. That whole rip
and open presidence presence thing. It's just not there. But
as kids get older than what they want is fewer
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things that are a lot more money. So same old,
same old with holiday stress, especially in this uncertain time,
why are consumers returning billions of dollars in merchandise? Yeah,
that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
By the way, we did the pull a name out
of a hat thing just to get because then, you know,
buying presents for everyone just got to be stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So we just did just one to eat. We all
just get one. What would you do if you pulled
out my name, Rory? If you screwe you the hat?
I get emails all the time. Does Rory really hate you?
It's getting uncomfortable, So go ahead. I just love this
National Retail Federation story. What percentage of stuff do you
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think gets returned to a store? Well, because we're buying
online and we're not touching it or trying it on,
I'm I'm guessing sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Sick that much. Okay, I'm going to stop asking this
question because everyone way overshoots. But yeah, it's about fifteen
percent of mergence that's all actually returned.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's all I thought that was high.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I was like five percent maybe, But it's eight hundred
and fifty billion dollars worth of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So we're seeing that a lot of Yeah, Amazon's great
for shipping, hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Right, but a lot of But that's also been so
Amazon typically takes returns and then just puts them out
to sale by the bulk. Right, you just buy a
plat of stuff and you can resell it. But that's
a lot of waste, it's a lot of expense, and
so more retailers are tightening up some of those return policies.
But it's also, the NRF says, an opportunity to win
a customer for life. You know, if you treat them
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well with a return, maybe they'll be back and they'll say, oh,
they were good. Because if you're not as easy with
the return. I was going to use another term, but
if you're not as generous with your return, sometimes you'll
lose that customer forever.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Three words Puma golf shoes. Yes, things will, things will
never be the same between me, Amazon and Puma. All right,
I'm always gonna be back in the third hour. Is
the Gazabe peace deal already falling? Apart. We'll answer that
question in the third hour. Thank you, Rory. David Sinati's
joining us, And yesterday I got a lot of great feedback,
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by the way, and thank you a lot of you
really enjoyed. Look, we just set the table for what
others are going to talk about when it happens or
when it's too late. We're telling you now. America is
turning two hundred and fifty years old next year, and
the Declaration of Independence at two hundred and fifty years
old is the battlefield. And for the left that takes
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accues from the Atlantic, they want to make it all
about unfinished revolution. They don't want you reading the document,
they don't want you believing the document, and they don't
want you settling for the document. They're at war with
our declaration and intent of our founding fathers. And that
was laid out by, of all people, an arts critic
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from Ireland, though a great writer, not a student of
our history or our founders or our documents. Well, they
followed up yesterday, and they followed up with a Brooks
article that David's going to touch on for us. And
this is just in case we had any doubt where
they were headed, let's look at all the countries that
have had revolutions in the last fifty years. What are
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we going to get off our duffhin have one? Was
basically the tone of it, or am or do you
think I'm using hyperbole?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Good morning David, Oh, good morning, Michael.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm so thankful for people responding to this conversation, because,
let's face it, when it comes to celebrating America's sward
and fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
A lot of response can be whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know, more hot dogs, more fireworks, Let's get on.
I go life to live because we take our liberty
for granted, and we take our form of civil government
for granted, and you know, anything that is left to
neglect in this culture that we live in, this world
that we live in where there's gravity in the second
law of thermodynamics, if you build it and then don't
take care.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Of it, it will fall down.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And we're seeing a lot of diminishment of our civil liberty.
We just came out of an administrative process where we
basically had one political party and the entire academic and
media establishment of the United States almost entirely, not completely,
but almost entirely supporting a government that was being run
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at the executive branch by someone who was cognitively impaired,
covered up for, removed from office, replaced with someone who
didn't go through the normal process of democracy and voting,
and then they tried to mask all of that as
this was the answer to authoritarianism. I mean, you just
can't make this stuff up. The income assistancies are so bad.
(08:02):
And the article that The Atlantic brings forward now in
chapter five of their epic episode of November of this
year is from David Brooks, and I have to tell
you thank you for taking the time to talk about this.
I honestly would tell you that I'm not sure I
would recommend anybody bothered to read the article.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh David, it is David, David's laborious It's twenty five
minutes to read on purpose. Yeah, but boy, the first
few paragraphs are page turners. Why aren't we like Poland?
Why aren't we like South Africa? Why aren't we South Korea?
Where's our revolution today? Because what we are is so awful.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, it's like a ping pong match with sanity at
this stage in the game. The author, David Brooks is
so confused in his sourcing so confused in his recommendations.
You know, it's another one of these we've got to
save our democracy against authoritarians, have a pup.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
But the bottom line is that people who.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Wrote the Declaration of Independence had their feet on the ground.
They were suffering, and they have been suffering for generations.
And they listed those sufferings and those dis levels of
political and philosophical and even spiritual discontent in the way
that they were accepting a form of government and said,
we're going to do better than that, and we have
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to start a better system. And they took the personal
responsibility to do so. In all the words of Brooks's argument,
I think he mentioned the Declaration of Independence maybe twice.
It's all about anti Trumpism and it's all about anti
Mega Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That, But I think I think that's a major signal.
All right. So, look, they're at war with our founding,
they're at war with our intent, they're at war with
our founding fathers, all right, and they want to be
We're about to turn two hundred and fifty years old,
and instead of celebrating our intent, are in perfections that
we've perfected and our imperfections that have yet to be perfected,
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but celebrating who we are. They're going to celebrate civil
war and revolution. But but but this second one. What
Brooks's role is is to conflate Trump with that document
and Trump with that two hundred and fifty years. Therefore,
they can get everybody on board with their side of
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the matrix against our intent without ever having to win
their mind and heart against our intent. Like we said yesterday,
what's wrong with this document? How many times is revolution said?
How many times is self evident truth said? How many
times has God said? What do you hate about this?
They'll never have to make that argument. All they got
to do is associate Trump with this celebration because he'll
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be leading it, and they're the anti. But what is
the anti? It's almost civil war uprising. That's a scary
thing to be ginning up.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, ask calling for revolution. Brooks very craftily says, well,
we don't want to do that, and then goes on
to continue to soak the fire as fast as you can.
The whole thing is confusing for one simple reason. David
Brooks has made his life creating narrative. He's another storyteller,
and suddenly now he's got a problem because the true
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story of American history is a story of people who
have their feet on the ground and who accept personal
responsibility and hard work. When you live your whole life
as a social commentator, and you hang out at universities
and teach social commentary, and you ask yourself, well, what
have you ever created with your own hands in your life?
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Do you have a garden? Have you ever made your
own food? Have you ever worked for a minimum wage job?
Have you ever labored yourself up into the concept of well,
where did you come from? And all of this.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
There's just such a distance.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Between their reality and where all the rest of us
live that when these guys start talking about Meg and
everything else, you just it's like their heads explode.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
But remember the Atlantic is speaking directly to the intelligentsia.
So expect this to be sold in universities, expect this
to be sold K through twelve in public education, and
expect it to be sold by the legacy mainstream media.
That's where they take their marching orders from the Atlantic.
And that's why we followed the Atlantic. This is your
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morning show with Michael Del Chrono.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Michael, you just have to remember we only hurt the
ones we love it sounds like Rory has loved you
as much as he can without killing Here.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's Chuck just outside Okahoma City in Yukat speaking the
truth this morning. You know a lot of people go,
does he really not like? I really don't think he
likes me? But that's all right. I think he does. No,
I mean, I think Decker likes me too much, which
is uncomfortable. All right. Twenty six minutes after the hour,
here's the story in a nutshell. David Snati's joining us
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of the American Policy Policy Roundtable, host of The Public Square,
and also our senior contributor at your morning show. So
the announcements made. Jd Vance is going to be hosting
one of the Turning Point campus tours. Eric Trump and
Laura Trump are going to host one. Charnick Kirk's wife
is going to host one. Tommy Tupperville, Bennie Johnson, who
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was one of my least favorites at the memorial. It
sure looks like this is kind of being propped up.
The question to the model is what is the future
of Turning Point USA? That really was created a by
a very unique talent and a capability. I don't know
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of anybody else that can manage or wants to put
their life at risk to manage. And then what happened
since his death. And then thirdly, what's starting to rear
its ugly head is a feeling that, oh, they delivered
the election for us, so we got to keep this alive,
and now it's no longer going to be independent. Now
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it's an arm of the Republican Party. I think that
kills the entire vision personally, and I think you would
disagree that they delivered the election.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, well, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
We've only got a minute or two, right, we're going
I'm hoping.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, let's do that, Michael, there's let me get to
the last question, because the last question in this book
was most significant, which is the vision every organization. We
have an organization I've served this organization for over forty
years that has a vision to bring the realities of
liberty to all people in this country. Everyone has visions,
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everyone has mission statements, and the purity of that vision
and the delivery is always the challenge. Now, we're a
politically independent organization that is definitely committed to the first principles,
the Declaration and the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And in a lot of ways, people understand Turning Point
to be a conservative organization first, and actually Charlie Kirk
made it very clear that it was a Christian organization first.
Now you get into the layers of political involvement with
the party and with key candidates and who's the next
president and the Trump family, and people can get confused
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that this is an exclusive message for just one set
of people with one set of objectives, and that's to
make it all republican. That is a challenge because the
vision of the Declaration of Independence is for all people.
The Declaration began without political parties, Our country began without
political parties. That our first three presidents were elected without
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political parties. There is a virtue in being one people
of one character based on self evident truth, not election results.
Now I'm not saying elections don't matter, of course they do,
but protecting the core vision is the challenge. And you're right,
who you associate with, the events that you host, and
the outcomes you look for are how people determine who
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you are and what you are.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Let me do the heavy lifting, because it's a question
I'm uncomfortable Eve in asking. Let alone, not many people
have the courage to answer. Charlie Kirk represented faith. I'm
not certain any of these other names can keep and
logically and theologically explain faith the way he did. But
this has gone from faith and logic to partisan campus.
(16:28):
That's two different things and they won't have the same success.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Missus Patrick from Christiana, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
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to us live in the morning, and of course we're
so grateful you came for the podcast. Enjoy The shutdown
of our government enters day sixteen with no end in sight,
and probably even if you ended it now, you would
face another shutdown in two and a half three weeks.
(17:20):
I suspect we're gonna stay shut down through the end
of the year, but we'll see where it goes. Another
two bodies have been released by Hamas. That brings the
total to nine because one of the eight turned out
to be Palestinian. And the big debate New York City,
the mayor's race, following up the visit with Martha McCullum
on Fox, Mom, Donnie Cuomo, and Slilwa will all debate tonight.
(17:42):
Hopefully someone asks the tough questions like where you getting
seven billion dollars for daycare? Six billion is daycare, one
billion is free buses. Where's that money coming from? Well,
of course, tax increases, corporate tax increases to get in
line with New Jersey, and tax increases individually on those
in the top one percent. Meanwhile, Governor Hokal's running for
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reelection with the pledge she will not raise taxes, and
you can't raise taxes in New York City without the
governor's approvals. So somebody's lying. Maybe that'll get dusted out.
Big debate tonight for a big election. Well, drama at
the West wing, President Trump an FBI director make headlines,
the government shut down drags on, and negotiations with China
(18:26):
heat up. That's a lot for John Decker to cover
before we get to that. Decker, I've been meaning to
bring this up. You got a commemoration and a letter
from the President himself on something we're very proud of.
I'm very proud of you. So this isn't you bragging,
but congratulating you on eight presidencies now that you've covered
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over thirty years.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, going back to Bill Clinton's first term never gets old.
It certainly doesn't ever get old. With President Donald Trump.
I've really enjoyed his administrations, both in the first term
and now in the second. And the President was kind
enough to send me a nice note to congratulate me
on thirty years of covering the White House. It's a
(19:12):
pretty remarkable milestone. Not many people reach that milestone, and
to me, I have no intention of leaving the beat.
It's so much fun to cover.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well. He even had a little dig in there. He
likes you in spite of you being an attorney, which
I loved. So where do you put when you frame this?
Where do you put a letter like this?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It'll go in my home office. I look forward to,
you know, framing it, putting up on the wall. It's
it's nice to get that recognition.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
From the President of the United States.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And it was you might want to quote if if
you can remember it, the last line of that letter.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What was that, Michael, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye don't.
I don't have it up, so don't do that to me.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You say it, he said, thanks again, and I'm most
proud to say you are not fake news.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's a classic and it'll age weel. Yeah, Well, then
you had an interaction of a third kind with a
cabinet member, Scott Bisset yesterday this one. I'm on your side.
At the end of the day, a tariff is attacks
and at the end of the day, the studies show
we're going to pick up fifty five percent of that tax.
You were strong enough to ask him the question. He
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didn't want to answer it. He wanted to try to
belittle you and ask you a question to which you said,
I'm the one asking questions. But it is on the
tariffs and whether or not they're attacks. Someone's playing with
definitions here, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
You know this is going to be you know. To me.
The answer that he gave me was an answer in
which he essentially tried to analogize analogized the tariffs to
a seat that you pay for your driver's license at
the DMV. And I don't want to get into it
back and forth with the Gregory Secretary.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But if that's the argument that.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
The Solicitor General of the United States plans on making
in a few weeks time at the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That is amusing argument.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
It is.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
That that's their right to make any argument they wish,
but that argument is not going to sway many justices.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Reason we bring this up John Decker, our White House correspondent,
joining us for your morning show. Things are heating up
with China again. We got some frameworks out there, but
we don't have deals. No deal with China.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Those talks have literally gone on since the day the
President was sworn in back in January, and China seems
to up the ante with their denying the trade of
their rare earth minerals, which are so valuable and so
necessary for so much production here in the United.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
States and around the world.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
And what Secretary Besson said yesterday is the US is
not going to blink, and so this trade war continues.
President Trump, as things stand right now, plans to meet
with President she in just a few weeks time. That
will be in South Korea during the APEX Summit. So
hopefully that meeting will resolve some of their differences.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Speaking of differences, we can't seem to get Republicans and
Democrats to do their job in the legislature. This is
now day sixteen of the shutdown, and as we often
point two, there's another shutdown scheduled for November twenty first.
I mean, at some point, I don't I think we
stay shut down through the end of the year is
going to be my guest, unless somebody starts talking and
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negotiating fast, and even then they better be ready to
do it twice.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, that's exactly right. You know, the basic job of
lawmakers coming to Washington, DC is to pass a budget.
And it's not just this year, Michael, it's every year.
You know their deadline, they know what it is. It's
September thirtieth is when the fiscal year ends, so October
first you have to have a budget in place, and
every year they are unable to do that. And this
(22:58):
is did another year which they're unable to do that.
And now we have a government shutdown that is in
its sixteenth day. So hopefully it will get resolved soon
and people can get back to work, the government can reopen,
and you don't have to answer and deal with questions
in regards to whether federal government workers get paid or
military members get paid. It's just normally a normal functioning government.
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That's what we should have.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like to think, out of all thirty years, this
last year has been one of the best. I know good,
I know God. I'm grateful to God that he's brought
you to your morning show. I am if you want.
If you want to know more, John Decker has the
White House Briefing Room with John Decker. That podcast is
up daily. I mean, no bias, no spin, no narrative.
(23:45):
Here's what's happening in your capital, because ultimately it belongs
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We'll talk to you again tomorrow. Thank you, John, Thank you. Yeah,
our as Tucker carl say, thank you so much. Thank
you so much for being here with us. It is
forty two minutes after the hour. We were having a
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conversation about the future of Turning Point, USA, of which
read thinks I'm being too hard. First of all, I
realize it's an awkward question, it's an uncomfortable question to ask.
But I think whatever Turning Point was is because of
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Charlie Kirk's unique gifting and calling and he's not here anymore.
And whatever it's become since his assassination, it has a
shelf life. I mean, you can only memorialize so long.
But the ability for someone to go on a campus
not affiliated with any party and talk about faith and
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civics and policy from a critical thinking, factual standpoint to
balance what is unbalanced in the classroom. I don't see
the successor yet. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying
I'm rooting against them. I'm saying all the money in
the world, all of the special people keeping it alive,
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isn't going to make Ultimately, you have to replace Charlie Kirk,
and I don't see it yet. It certainly can't be
a vice president. He can't do this every weekend. And
by the way, you bring a vice president of the
United States onto a campus, well that becomes an office
of the administrative branch of government event, not a campus event.
And you start bringing Erica Kirk, and I don't know
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that her gifting is the same as her husband. If
you start bringing in the Trump kids or a podcaster
like Bennie Johnson or Tommy Tupperville, a Senator. Yes, I
see the stunt, and it's going to keep you alive
and on campus through November. But sooner or later your
future lies in finding another Charlie Kirk. And sometimes, like
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Rush Limbaugh, like Paul Harvey, there isn't another one, which
is why God chooses a different direction. But you know,
I think it's okay for everybody to say, what is
the future of Turning Point USA without Charlie Kirk. I'll
tell you one thing that gives it no chance of
having a future is being absorbed by the Republican Party.
So you need a little more time. David Sanadi, our
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senior contributor, is back. Am I inappropriate in even bringing
this up or being concerned?
Speaker 6 (26:32):
No, I think you're asking very honest questions that other
people will be asking all over the place, Michael. And
you're an independent commentator, if you will on this question,
you're an observer. I'm a participant in the field, and
so I have a different perspective from where you are.
I also don't do predictions as well as you do,
so I don't know what the future will hold.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I do know that, to be candid and honest, Charlie
Kirk was desperately, strike, We're desperate.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
He was trying very hard to communicate with young people
based on life issues and the questions of truth, and
that's substantive. There is an element of Turning Point that
was directly related to voter turn off for the Republican Party.
They didn't make any apologies about that, so they were
not there as unrepresentative. They weren't official organs of the
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Republican Party, but they were de facto organs of that
Republican Party. There's nothing wrong with that. They've every right
to do that and every right to go there. The
difference is.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Between what's Charlie Kirk's agenda and Turning Points agenda and
the Mega agenda and the Trump agenda and the Republican
Party agenda, because.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Those are all three different entities.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
So that's where things get confusing, and the media has
a field day with basically playing off of the confusion.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Those are issues that the Turning Point people are going
to have to work out.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I pray God that they will, because we need all
the voices we can get, We need all the help
we can get.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, they say, part of keeping Charlie's memory alive is
keeping the mission alive. And you can do that for
a period of time. But the minute it becomes a
Republican governor, the minute it becomes a Republican Vice president
of the United States or a Republican senator from Alabama,
it starts getting to be a Republican party movement. And
that is just simply not And then I just want
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to be the one guy that says, look, we are
all And I say this because I took great offense
to the we're Charlie. Now no, and if you're anything,
be Jesus, but we are all fearfully and wonderfully made
by our creator. We are gifted and purpose to bring
glory to him and serve him. It is your job
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to find your unique gifting and your unique calling and service.
So having said that, and you know, I knew a
lot about him, and I would say this, Charlie Kirk
was very uniquely and fearfully and wonderfully made, and in
the last three years really maturing into something that I
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get a great glory and thanks to God for I
just don't see anybody else that can step into that suit.
If Batman's gone, Batman's gone, If Superman's gone, Superman's gone.
That kind of a thing, and I don't know. I
would probably adjust the strategy rather than the speakers. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Well, and again, you have the right to say it
now is it your show, but it's your role. And
I would just add to it that we would call
Charlie Kirk's death an untimely tragedy, and a tragedy at
any such time, but particularly untimely because of the rising
curve of his life and of the organization. So there's
no question that that's a very difficult challenge. But it
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doesn't come as a surprise to God. He knew what
was going to happen, and he has answers for how
we go forward.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I was thinking watching Bette Midler with Steven Colbert of
her amazing final performance on The Tonight Show for the
of talk for Johnny Carson, for something completely different than
and the most one of the greatest television successes of
(30:08):
all time and dominant ones. And then here's Stephen Colbert.
No ratings, went political, went partisan, got canceled, and I'll
let you listen. But I don't think they've learned their lesson.
Here's Bett Midler not singing that long, long Road like
she did for Johnny, but a different parody for Stephen Colbert, and.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I ah, you hi as the great ego.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Because you never kissed the Orange John Is that to
suggest that Donald Trump he'd be there if he had
kissed Donald Trump's rear? End? No, Johnny would have worn
to go that partisan and political. But this is how
far late night television has fallen and taken the very
(31:00):
same star who made Magic and Johnny's last show. And
perhaps she says it all and sings it all in
this parody saying goodbye. Look, there's only one reason Stephen
Colbert is going away. There were no ratings and there
was no revenue period. End of story. And we'll see
if there's a future for Jimmy Kimmel come the new year.
His contracts up as well, and I guess that will
(31:22):
write a new song for him. David, appreciate you visiting
us today, I thought, Michael. She talked.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
She talked a lot about Frodo and the hobbitson Tolkien there,
and I'll bet you a lot of Tolkien scholars were
jumping off a bridge when they heard that.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well, I'm glad I didn't hear a splash because you're
one of them. David's not a great great insights all
week long, we're gonna keep an eye on the Atlantic,
and if people missed our conversation yesterday or today, both
podcasts will be up at nine Central this morning.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's your Morning Show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh my, it's Thursday already, October the sixteenth. Can't have
your morning show without your voice to Tampa, Florida and
Jim we go, Good morning, Michael.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Look A part of me kind of hopes that Mundami
wins in New York so Americans can see firsthand how
communism and socialism ultimately destroy society and they're an utter sham.
The one catch is we've got to be sure they
never get one dime of federal money to bail them out,
because systems like that always fail and they depend on
stealing other people's money to survive, and they still don't survive.
(32:28):
But sadly a lot of Americans would be hurt in
the process.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, now you know why. Margaret Thatcher's famous quote was,
socialism works until you run out of everybody else's money.
I want to point out first that I love you,
my listeners. Jim. You get this issue inside and out.
And I can tell that I agree with you that
ultimately I'd rather see one of our cities fail than
(32:53):
our entire country fail, because our entire country has come
close to being do into socialism. But I think there's
something even before that. If Kathy Hochel is telling the
truth and she's pledging to raise no personal or corporate taxes,
how can he make this pander with a straight face,
(33:15):
Because you can't raise taxes corporate or individual in New
York City without the governor's approval. So one of the
two is lying and one of the two is definitely pandering.
But you get it, And I love that. Roger, I
believe is kste and Sacramento.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Morrie Michael, Jeffrian read Hey, I wish like when Trump
was cutting off that four hundred billion, I wish all
outside money would coming into California. I live here, and
what happens is every time this one party state gets
bailed out, they just.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Do more harm.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
So the sooner that we have to face the music here,
the better off for everybody, and everybody else should have
a vested interest because we grow a lot of food
that you eat, So it is important, No, it's more
than to me.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, I think Roger and Jim both are kind of
making the same point. States have a right to experiment,
they have a right to fail. But when they consistently
are in opposition, and they are consistently defied, they shouldn't
be allowed to be bailed out for their failed experiment
(34:22):
with everybody else's money, especially when everybody else is thirty
seven trillion dollars in debt. We're all in this together.
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Speaker 1 (00:38):
And I don't know about you, but there is no
place I'd rather be than with you right now. Seven
minutes after the hour. It's Thursday, October the sixteenth, twenty
twenty five. Good morning. Let me give you the day
in a snapshot. Mom Dominie coming off is I'm for
Hamas not Israel? Interview with Martha on Fox is headed
(01:01):
to the debate stage tonight. I wonder if somebody'll just
ask him, are you an Islamist? The three will square
off Cuomo Sliwa and Mom Donnie in the big New
York City debate tonight. Maybe perhaps someone will ask him
the question, the cost of just your free buses and
childcare is seven billion dollars alone, where's that coming from?
(01:24):
And the governor says she's pledging to not raise taxes
and you can't raise taxes without her approval. Which of
you are lying? That'd be a great question, But we'll
see how that debate goes day sixteen of the shutdown.
We also in our polls are plenty see that in Virginia,
it's almost time to say a bye and bye to
Jay Jones. Those text message messages have flipped the attorney
(01:49):
general race. He now trails forty nine to forty three percent.
And I don't think the governor's race is going to
look much better. And if you're feeling the holiday shopping
stress all ready, and I'm not, but you're not alone either.
National correspondent Roy O'Neil reveals surprising facts about retail sales
during this uncertain time. Good morning, Rory, and they're good morning, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
A new report finds that a lot of us are
feeling a bit of anxiety already planning for the holidays.
Maybe it's because we're looking at the cost of a
Christmas vacation and whether it's really going to be or
just fearing the cost of the wish list, that maybe
the kids are already starting to compile for the gifts
under the tree. But seventy percent of Americans say the
financial stress for the holidays is there. At about fifty
(02:36):
eight percent say those financial worries actually are killed joys
are ruining the joy of the season, but the obsession
over all the expenses.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You know, I was driving the car with my son
and he's putting some things together. I mean, we've been
taking care of two sick grandmothers for seven years now,
and it's taking a toll in their childhood. He's also
figured out the Christmas is glorious as child, not so
glorious once you get older, until you have children. So
he's seeing that window. And I remember I proposed to him.
(03:07):
I said, you know, I don't know why we do
all this. Instead of everybody making a list because we
don't need anything like that, we should just start doing
a trip at Christmas. It might be the most fun
thing we can do, is make a memory. Because until
you guys get married and have kids. That whole rip
and open presidence presence thing. It's just not there. But
as kids get older than what they want is fewer
(03:28):
things that are a lot more money. So same old,
same old with holiday stress, especially in this uncertain time,
why are consumers returning billions of dollars in merchandise? Yeah,
that's another thing.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
By the way, we did the pull a name out
of a hat thing just to get because then, you know,
buying presents for everyone just got to be stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So we just did just one to eat. We all
just get one. What would you do if you pulled
out my name, Rory? If you screwe you the hat?
I get emails all the time. Does Rory really hate you?
It's getting uncomfortable, So go ahead. I just love this
National Retail Federation story. What percentage of stuff do you
(04:06):
think gets returned to a store? Well, because we're buying
online and we're not touching it or trying it on,
I'm I'm guessing sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Sick that much. Okay, I'm going to stop asking this
question because everyone way overshoots. But yeah, it's about fifteen
percent of mergence that's all actually returned.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's all I thought that was high.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I was like five percent maybe, But it's eight hundred
and fifty billion dollars worth of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So we're seeing that a lot of Yeah, Amazon's great
for shipping, hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Right, but a lot of But that's also been so
Amazon typically takes returns and then just puts them out
to sale by the bulk. Right, you just buy a
plat of stuff and you can resell it. But that's
a lot of waste, it's a lot of expense, and
so more retailers are tightening up some of those return policies.
But it's also, the NRF says, an opportunity to win
a customer for life. You know, if you treat them
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well with a return, maybe they'll be back and they'll say, oh,
they were good. Because if you're not as easy with
the return. I was going to use another term, but
if you're not as generous with your return, sometimes you'll
lose that customer forever.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Three words Puma golf shoes. Yes, things will, things will
never be the same between me, Amazon and Puma. All right,
I'm always gonna be back in the third hour. Is
the Gazabe peace deal already falling? Apart. We'll answer that
question in the third hour. Thank you, Rory. David Sinati's
joining us, And yesterday I got a lot of great feedback,
(05:33):
by the way, and thank you a lot of you
really enjoyed. Look, we just set the table for what
others are going to talk about when it happens or
when it's too late. We're telling you now. America is
turning two hundred and fifty years old next year, and
the Declaration of Independence at two hundred and fifty years
old is the battlefield. And for the left that takes
(05:55):
accues from the Atlantic, they want to make it all
about unfinished revolution. They don't want you reading the document,
they don't want you believing the document, and they don't
want you settling for the document. They're at war with
our declaration and intent of our founding fathers. And that
was laid out by, of all people, an arts critic
(06:16):
from Ireland, though a great writer, not a student of
our history or our founders or our documents. Well, they
followed up yesterday, and they followed up with a Brooks
article that David's going to touch on for us. And
this is just in case we had any doubt where
they were headed, let's look at all the countries that
have had revolutions in the last fifty years. What are
(06:39):
we going to get off our duffhin have one? Was
basically the tone of it, or am or do you
think I'm using hyperbole?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Good morning David, Oh, good morning, Michael.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm so thankful for people responding to this conversation, because,
let's face it, when it comes to celebrating America's sward
and fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
A lot of response can be whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know, more hot dogs, more fireworks, Let's get on.
I go life to live because we take our liberty
for granted, and we take our form of civil government
for granted, and you know, anything that is left to
neglect in this culture that we live in, this world
that we live in where there's gravity in the second
law of thermodynamics, if you build it and then don't
take care.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Of it, it will fall down.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And we're seeing a lot of diminishment of our civil liberty.
We just came out of an administrative process where we
basically had one political party and the entire academic and
media establishment of the United States almost entirely, not completely,
but almost entirely supporting a government that was being run
(07:40):
at the executive branch by someone who was cognitively impaired,
covered up for, removed from office, replaced with someone who
didn't go through the normal process of democracy and voting,
and then they tried to mask all of that as
this was the answer to authoritarianism. I mean, you just
can't make this stuff up. The income assistancies are so bad.
(08:02):
And the article that The Atlantic brings forward now in
chapter five of their epic episode of November of this
year is from David Brooks, and I have to tell
you thank you for taking the time to talk about this.
I honestly would tell you that I'm not sure I
would recommend anybody bothered to read the article.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh David, it is David, David's laborious It's twenty five
minutes to read on purpose. Yeah, but boy, the first
few paragraphs are page turners. Why aren't we like Poland?
Why aren't we like South Africa? Why aren't we South Korea?
Where's our revolution today? Because what we are is so awful.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, it's like a ping pong match with sanity at
this stage in the game. The author, David Brooks is
so confused in his sourcing so confused in his recommendations.
You know, it's another one of these we've got to
save our democracy against authoritarians, have a pup.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
But the bottom line is that people who.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Wrote the Declaration of Independence had their feet on the ground.
They were suffering, and they have been suffering for generations.
And they listed those sufferings and those dis levels of
political and philosophical and even spiritual discontent in the way
that they were accepting a form of government and said,
we're going to do better than that, and we have
(09:24):
to start a better system. And they took the personal
responsibility to do so. In all the words of Brooks's argument,
I think he mentioned the Declaration of Independence maybe twice.
It's all about anti Trumpism and it's all about anti
Mega Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That, But I think I think that's a major signal.
All right. So, look, they're at war with our founding,
they're at war with our intent, they're at war with
our founding fathers, all right, and they want to be
We're about to turn two hundred and fifty years old,
and instead of celebrating our intent, are in perfections that
we've perfected and our imperfections that have yet to be perfected,
(10:05):
but celebrating who we are. They're going to celebrate civil
war and revolution. But but but this second one. What
Brooks's role is is to conflate Trump with that document
and Trump with that two hundred and fifty years. Therefore,
they can get everybody on board with their side of
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the matrix against our intent without ever having to win
their mind and heart against our intent. Like we said yesterday,
what's wrong with this document? How many times is revolution said?
How many times is self evident truth said? How many
times has God said? What do you hate about this?
They'll never have to make that argument. All they got
to do is associate Trump with this celebration because he'll
(10:49):
be leading it, and they're the anti. But what is
the anti? It's almost civil war uprising. That's a scary
thing to be ginning up.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, ask calling for revolution. Brooks very craftily says, well,
we don't want to do that, and then goes on
to continue to soak the fire as fast as you can.
The whole thing is confusing for one simple reason. David
Brooks has made his life creating narrative. He's another storyteller,
and suddenly now he's got a problem because the true
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story of American history is a story of people who
have their feet on the ground and who accept personal
responsibility and hard work. When you live your whole life
as a social commentator, and you hang out at universities
and teach social commentary, and you ask yourself, well, what
have you ever created with your own hands in your life?
(11:44):
Do you have a garden? Have you ever made your
own food? Have you ever worked for a minimum wage job?
Have you ever labored yourself up into the concept of well,
where did you come from? And all of this.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
There's just such a distance.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Between their reality and where all the rest of us
live that when these guys start talking about Meg and
everything else, you just it's like their heads explode.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
But remember the Atlantic is speaking directly to the intelligentsia.
So expect this to be sold in universities, expect this
to be sold K through twelve in public education, and
expect it to be sold by the legacy mainstream media.
That's where they take their marching orders from the Atlantic.
And that's why we followed the Atlantic. This is your
(12:27):
morning show with Michael Del Chrono.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Michael, you just have to remember we only hurt the
ones we love it sounds like Rory has loved you
as much as he can without killing Here.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's Chuck just outside Okahoma City in Yukat speaking the
truth this morning. You know a lot of people go,
does he really not like? I really don't think he
likes me? But that's all right. I think he does. No,
I mean, I think Decker likes me too much, which
is uncomfortable. All right. Twenty six minutes after the hour,
here's the story in a nutshell. David Snati's joining us
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of the American Policy Policy Roundtable, host of The Public Square,
and also our senior contributor at your morning show. So
the announcements made. Jd Vance is going to be hosting
one of the Turning Point campus tours. Eric Trump and
Laura Trump are going to host one. Charnick Kirk's wife
is going to host one. Tommy Tupperville, Bennie Johnson, who
(13:23):
was one of my least favorites at the memorial. It
sure looks like this is kind of being propped up.
The question to the model is what is the future
of Turning Point USA? That really was created a by
a very unique talent and a capability. I don't know
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of anybody else that can manage or wants to put
their life at risk to manage. And then what happened
since his death. And then thirdly, what's starting to rear
its ugly head is a feeling that, oh, they delivered
the election for us, so we got to keep this alive,
and now it's no longer going to be independent. Now
(14:06):
it's an arm of the Republican Party. I think that
kills the entire vision personally, and I think you would
disagree that they delivered the election.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, well, there's a lot in there.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
We've only got a minute or two, right, we're going
I'm hoping.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, let's do that, Michael, there's let me get to
the last question, because the last question in this book
was most significant, which is the vision every organization. We
have an organization I've served this organization for over forty
years that has a vision to bring the realities of
liberty to all people in this country. Everyone has visions,
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everyone has mission statements, and the purity of that vision
and the delivery is always the challenge. Now, we're a
politically independent organization that is definitely committed to the first principles,
the Declaration and the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We get it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And in a lot of ways, people understand Turning Point
to be a conservative organization first, and actually Charlie Kirk
made it very clear that it was a Christian organization first.
Now you get into the layers of political involvement with
the party and with key candidates and who's the next
president and the Trump family, and people can get confused
(15:23):
that this is an exclusive message for just one set
of people with one set of objectives, and that's to
make it all republican. That is a challenge because the
vision of the Declaration of Independence is for all people.
The Declaration began without political parties, Our country began without
political parties. That our first three presidents were elected without
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political parties. There is a virtue in being one people
of one character based on self evident truth, not election results.
Now I'm not saying elections don't matter, of course they do,
but protecting the core vision is the challenge. And you're right,
who you associate with, the events that you host, and
the outcomes you look for are how people determine who
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you are and what you are.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Let me do the heavy lifting, because it's a question
I'm uncomfortable Eve in asking. Let alone, not many people
have the courage to answer. Charlie Kirk represented faith. I'm
not certain any of these other names can keep and
logically and theologically explain faith the way he did. But
this has gone from faith and logic to partisan campus.
(16:28):
That's two different things and they won't have the same success.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Missus Patrick from Christiana, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
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to us live in the morning, and of course we're
so grateful you came for the podcast. Enjoy The shutdown
of our government enters day sixteen with no end in sight,
and probably even if you ended it now, you would
face another shutdown in two and a half three weeks.
(17:20):
I suspect we're gonna stay shut down through the end
of the year, but we'll see where it goes. Another
two bodies have been released by Hamas. That brings the
total to nine because one of the eight turned out
to be Palestinian. And the big debate New York City,
the mayor's race, following up the visit with Martha McCullum
on Fox, Mom, Donnie Cuomo, and Slilwa will all debate tonight.
(17:42):
Hopefully someone asks the tough questions like where you getting
seven billion dollars for daycare? Six billion is daycare, one
billion is free buses. Where's that money coming from? Well,
of course, tax increases, corporate tax increases to get in
line with New Jersey, and tax increases individually on those
in the top one percent. Meanwhile, Governor Hokal's running for
(18:04):
reelection with the pledge she will not raise taxes, and
you can't raise taxes in New York City without the
governor's approvals. So somebody's lying. Maybe that'll get dusted out.
Big debate tonight for a big election. Well, drama at
the West wing, President Trump an FBI director make headlines,
the government shut down drags on, and negotiations with China
(18:26):
heat up. That's a lot for John Decker to cover
before we get to that. Decker, I've been meaning to
bring this up. You got a commemoration and a letter
from the President himself on something we're very proud of.
I'm very proud of you. So this isn't you bragging,
but congratulating you on eight presidencies now that you've covered
(18:48):
over thirty years.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, going back to Bill Clinton's first term never gets old.
It certainly doesn't ever get old. With President Donald Trump.
I've really enjoyed his administrations, both in the first term
and now in the second. And the President was kind
enough to send me a nice note to congratulate me
on thirty years of covering the White House. It's a
(19:12):
pretty remarkable milestone. Not many people reach that milestone, and
to me, I have no intention of leaving the beat.
It's so much fun to cover.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well. He even had a little dig in there. He
likes you in spite of you being an attorney, which
I loved. So where do you put when you frame this?
Where do you put a letter like this?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It'll go in my home office. I look forward to,
you know, framing it, putting up on the wall. It's
it's nice to get that recognition.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
From the President of the United States.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
And it was you might want to quote if if
you can remember it, the last line of that letter.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What was that, Michael, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye don't.
I don't have it up, so don't do that to me.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
You say it, he said, thanks again, and I'm most
proud to say you are not fake news.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's a classic and it'll age weel. Yeah, Well, then
you had an interaction of a third kind with a
cabinet member, Scott Bisset yesterday this one. I'm on your side.
At the end of the day, a tariff is attacks
and at the end of the day, the studies show
we're going to pick up fifty five percent of that tax.
You were strong enough to ask him the question. He
(20:25):
didn't want to answer it. He wanted to try to
belittle you and ask you a question to which you said,
I'm the one asking questions. But it is on the
tariffs and whether or not they're attacks. Someone's playing with
definitions here, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
You know this is going to be you know. To me.
The answer that he gave me was an answer in
which he essentially tried to analogize analogized the tariffs to
a seat that you pay for your driver's license at
the DMV. And I don't want to get into it
back and forth with the Gregory Secretary.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But if that's the argument that.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
The Solicitor General of the United States plans on making
in a few weeks time at the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That is amusing argument.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
It is.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
That that's their right to make any argument they wish,
but that argument is not going to sway many justices.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Reason we bring this up John Decker, our White House correspondent,
joining us for your morning show. Things are heating up
with China again. We got some frameworks out there, but
we don't have deals. No deal with China.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Those talks have literally gone on since the day the
President was sworn in back in January, and China seems
to up the ante with their denying the trade of
their rare earth minerals, which are so valuable and so
necessary for so much production here in the United.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
States and around the world.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
And what Secretary Besson said yesterday is the US is
not going to blink, and so this trade war continues.
President Trump, as things stand right now, plans to meet
with President she in just a few weeks time. That
will be in South Korea during the APEX Summit. So
hopefully that meeting will resolve some of their differences.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Speaking of differences, we can't seem to get Republicans and
Democrats to do their job in the legislature. This is
now day sixteen of the shutdown, and as we often
point two, there's another shutdown scheduled for November twenty first.
I mean, at some point, I don't I think we
stay shut down through the end of the year is
going to be my guest, unless somebody starts talking and
(22:32):
negotiating fast, and even then they better be ready to
do it twice.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, that's exactly right. You know, the basic job of
lawmakers coming to Washington, DC is to pass a budget.
And it's not just this year, Michael, it's every year.
You know their deadline, they know what it is. It's
September thirtieth is when the fiscal year ends, so October
first you have to have a budget in place, and
every year they are unable to do that. And this
(22:58):
is did another year which they're unable to do that.
And now we have a government shutdown that is in
its sixteenth day. So hopefully it will get resolved soon
and people can get back to work, the government can reopen,
and you don't have to answer and deal with questions
in regards to whether federal government workers get paid or
military members get paid. It's just normally a normal functioning government.
(23:23):
That's what we should have.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I like to think, out of all thirty years, this
last year has been one of the best. I know good,
I know God. I'm grateful to God that he's brought
you to your morning show. I am if you want.
If you want to know more, John Decker has the
White House Briefing Room with John Decker. That podcast is
up daily. I mean, no bias, no spin, no narrative.
(23:45):
Here's what's happening in your capital, because ultimately it belongs
to you. The White House Briefing Room with John Decker
will be up by nine a m. Eastern this morning.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow. Thank you, John, Thank you. Yeah,
our as Tucker carl say, thank you so much. Thank
you so much for being here with us. It is
forty two minutes after the hour. We were having a
(24:06):
conversation about the future of Turning Point, USA, of which
read thinks I'm being too hard. First of all, I
realize it's an awkward question, it's an uncomfortable question to ask.
But I think whatever Turning Point was is because of
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Charlie Kirk's unique gifting and calling and he's not here anymore.
And whatever it's become since his assassination, it has a
shelf life. I mean, you can only memorialize so long.
But the ability for someone to go on a campus
not affiliated with any party and talk about faith and
(24:52):
civics and policy from a critical thinking, factual standpoint to
balance what is unbalanced in the classroom. I don't see
the successor yet. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying
I'm rooting against them. I'm saying all the money in
the world, all of the special people keeping it alive,
(25:16):
isn't going to make Ultimately, you have to replace Charlie Kirk,
and I don't see it yet. It certainly can't be
a vice president. He can't do this every weekend. And
by the way, you bring a vice president of the
United States onto a campus, well that becomes an office
of the administrative branch of government event, not a campus event.
And you start bringing Erica Kirk, and I don't know
(25:39):
that her gifting is the same as her husband. If
you start bringing in the Trump kids or a podcaster
like Bennie Johnson or Tommy Tupperville, a Senator. Yes, I
see the stunt, and it's going to keep you alive
and on campus through November. But sooner or later your
future lies in finding another Charlie Kirk. And sometimes, like
(26:03):
Rush Limbaugh, like Paul Harvey, there isn't another one, which
is why God chooses a different direction. But you know,
I think it's okay for everybody to say, what is
the future of Turning Point USA without Charlie Kirk. I'll
tell you one thing that gives it no chance of
having a future is being absorbed by the Republican Party.
So you need a little more time. David Sanadi, our
(26:24):
senior contributor, is back. Am I inappropriate in even bringing
this up or being concerned?
Speaker 6 (26:32):
No, I think you're asking very honest questions that other
people will be asking all over the place, Michael. And
you're an independent commentator, if you will on this question,
you're an observer. I'm a participant in the field, and
so I have a different perspective from where you are.
I also don't do predictions as well as you do,
so I don't know what the future will hold.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I do know that, to be candid and honest, Charlie
Kirk was desperately, strike, We're desperate.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
He was trying very hard to communicate with young people
based on life issues and the questions of truth, and
that's substantive. There is an element of Turning Point that
was directly related to voter turn off for the Republican Party.
They didn't make any apologies about that, so they were
not there as unrepresentative. They weren't official organs of the
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Republican Party, but they were de facto organs of that
Republican Party. There's nothing wrong with that. They've every right
to do that and every right to go there. The
difference is.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Between what's Charlie Kirk's agenda and Turning Points agenda and
the Mega agenda and the Trump agenda and the Republican
Party agenda, because.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Those are all three different entities.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
So that's where things get confusing, and the media has
a field day with basically playing off of the confusion.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Those are issues that the Turning Point people are going
to have to work out.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I pray God that they will, because we need all
the voices we can get, We need all the help
we can get.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, they say, part of keeping Charlie's memory alive is
keeping the mission alive. And you can do that for
a period of time. But the minute it becomes a
Republican governor, the minute it becomes a Republican Vice president
of the United States or a Republican senator from Alabama,
it starts getting to be a Republican party movement. And
that is just simply not And then I just want
(28:17):
to be the one guy that says, look, we are
all And I say this because I took great offense
to the we're Charlie. Now no, and if you're anything,
be Jesus, but we are all fearfully and wonderfully made
by our creator. We are gifted and purpose to bring
glory to him and serve him. It is your job
(28:37):
to find your unique gifting and your unique calling and service.
So having said that, and you know, I knew a
lot about him, and I would say this, Charlie Kirk
was very uniquely and fearfully and wonderfully made, and in
the last three years really maturing into something that I
(28:59):
get a great glory and thanks to God for I
just don't see anybody else that can step into that suit.
If Batman's gone, Batman's gone, If Superman's gone, Superman's gone.
That kind of a thing, and I don't know. I
would probably adjust the strategy rather than the speakers. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Well, and again, you have the right to say it
now is it your show, but it's your role. And
I would just add to it that we would call
Charlie Kirk's death an untimely tragedy, and a tragedy at
any such time, but particularly untimely because of the rising
curve of his life and of the organization. So there's
no question that that's a very difficult challenge. But it
(29:41):
doesn't come as a surprise to God. He knew what
was going to happen, and he has answers for how
we go forward.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I was thinking watching Bette Midler with Steven Colbert of
her amazing final performance on The Tonight Show for the
of talk for Johnny Carson, for something completely different than
and the most one of the greatest television successes of
(30:08):
all time and dominant ones. And then here's Stephen Colbert.
No ratings, went political, went partisan, got canceled, and I'll
let you listen. But I don't think they've learned their lesson.
Here's Bett Midler not singing that long, long Road like
she did for Johnny, but a different parody for Stephen Colbert, and.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I ah, you hi as the great ego.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Because you never kissed the Orange John Is that to
suggest that Donald Trump he'd be there if he had
kissed Donald Trump's rear? End? No, Johnny would have worn
to go that partisan and political. But this is how
far late night television has fallen and taken the very
(31:00):
same star who made Magic and Johnny's last show. And
perhaps she says it all and sings it all in
this parody saying goodbye. Look, there's only one reason Stephen
Colbert is going away. There were no ratings and there
was no revenue period. End of story. And we'll see
if there's a future for Jimmy Kimmel come the new year.
His contracts up as well, and I guess that will
(31:22):
write a new song for him. David, appreciate you visiting
us today, I thought, Michael. She talked.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
She talked a lot about Frodo and the hobbitson Tolkien there,
and I'll bet you a lot of Tolkien scholars were
jumping off a bridge when they heard that.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well, I'm glad I didn't hear a splash because you're
one of them. David's not a great great insights all
week long, we're gonna keep an eye on the Atlantic,
and if people missed our conversation yesterday or today, both
podcasts will be up at nine Central this morning.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's your Morning Show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh my, it's Thursday already, October the sixteenth. Can't have
your morning show without your voice to Tampa, Florida and
Jim we go, Good morning, Michael.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Look A part of me kind of hopes that Mundami
wins in New York so Americans can see firsthand how
communism and socialism ultimately destroy society and they're an utter sham.
The one catch is we've got to be sure they
never get one dime of federal money to bail them out,
because systems like that always fail and they depend on
stealing other people's money to survive, and they still don't survive.
(32:28):
But sadly a lot of Americans would be hurt in
the process.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, now you know why. Margaret Thatcher's famous quote was,
socialism works until you run out of everybody else's money.
I want to point out first that I love you,
my listeners. Jim. You get this issue inside and out.
And I can tell that I agree with you that
ultimately I'd rather see one of our cities fail than
(32:53):
our entire country fail, because our entire country has come
close to being do into socialism. But I think there's
something even before that. If Kathy Hochel is telling the
truth and she's pledging to raise no personal or corporate taxes,
how can he make this pander with a straight face,
(33:15):
Because you can't raise taxes corporate or individual in New
York City without the governor's approval. So one of the
two is lying and one of the two is definitely pandering.
But you get it, And I love that. Roger, I
believe is kste and Sacramento.
Speaker 8 (33:31):
Morrie Michael, Jeffrian read Hey, I wish like when Trump
was cutting off that four hundred billion, I wish all
outside money would coming into California. I live here, and
what happens is every time this one party state gets
bailed out, they just.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Do more harm.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
So the sooner that we have to face the music here,
the better off for everybody, and everybody else should have
a vested interest because we grow a lot of food
that you eat, So it is important, No, it's more
than to me.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, I think Roger and Jim both are kind of
making the same point. States have a right to experiment,
they have a right to fail. But when they consistently
are in opposition, and they are consistently defied, they shouldn't
be allowed to be bailed out for their failed experiment
(34:22):
with everybody else's money, especially when everybody else is thirty
seven trillion dollars in debt. We're all in this together.
This is Your Morning Show with Michael Ndheld, journo
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