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November 21, 2024 32 mins

Is it even in our human nature to be thankful??

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is your Morning Show with Michael O'Dell Jordan.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And I know what you're thinking. He's been a real
drag today. He's been a real bummer. It's Red's fault.
I watched all the friends and family statements before sentencing
in the Lincoln Riley case, and my heart was shattered.
I literally cried several times. I spared you the father,

(00:54):
knowing what has can you mentione how we all all
her daughters and knowing what she went through. She was scared,
she was running for her life. Then she was attacked
and she was killed. And when he talks about and
I wasn't there to protect her, Oh, I woke up scart.
My heart is still broken for all of them, and

(01:15):
my mind is still filled with fear for my daughters
and yours as this gang is in sixteen states. And
I'm filled because I'm afraid, because I'm hurt, I'm filled
with anger. If I could have gone through that TV,
I promise you it would have been a different sentence.
So let's put all that behind us. If you're just

(01:37):
waking up. The House Ethics Committee report on the President
elect Trump's attorney general pick.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Matt Gates will not be released.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I you know, I'm not accusing Decora Fist, but I
can tell you some will say, well, they're not going
to release it. There must be something damning in it.
How damning can it be? No charges were brought, but
they're going to fight every cabinet position. And you know,
I know Redd agree of me. Jeffarly hasn't chimed in.
And I don't know about you guys. You haven't said
anything on the two ways. But this pick from the

(02:06):
beginning reeked of chum to me. You know, you tell
the chums, so the shark goes to that instead of you.
I think it was designed to fail and get them
to focus on that bait instead of the RFK juniors
or some of the others. But this is going to
be a tough one to get through. And I don't

(02:27):
think any of the events of yesterday made that road
any easier, nor did Matt Gates quite frankly, make the
road any easier for himself. President like Trump is cheering
the life sentence of the Venezuelan illegal immigrant and murderer
who was convicted in the killing of Lincoln Riley and Georgia.
And the US is reopening its embassy in the Ukraine
after fears of a Russian attack closed it. Let's hope,

(02:49):
we think, you know, cooler heads hopefully will prevail here.
But there has been the drum beat of war and
World War on the horizon. David Bonsen is a money
whiz and economist. Oh and by the way, I have
one of the few people that are an economist that
you watch on Fox Business all the time and a

(03:10):
theologian in one two secrets I'll share with you one.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
David and I never talk How smart is this guy?
He never knows what I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Gonna throw at him before I throw it to him.
That happens on Fox never. I don't know, does it, David?
When you're on Fox Business, do they brief you on
what they're going to talk about?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I certainly do not, and I'm not sure it would
help me if they did, because you know they you
can think they're going to ask something and then they
pivot and have something different.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Anyway, so I can throw you off.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
You really are scary smart.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
But anyway, we never talk and you never prepare, and
you probably think, well, what's Michael going to talk about?
Like what are three or four reasonable expectations of the
Trump administration to impact the economy? Do elected politicians? Do
presidents impact economies? We can government do them? But no,
I don't want to go with any of that. Thanksgiving
is on the horizon, and I think of the scripture.

(04:01):
I have a thankful heart that you have given me,
And and I had this question, and because you're a theologian,
I thought, you know what, I'd rather spend my time
with David talking about how thankful can one be? You know,
you lose, you lose God, you lose Man, you lose Christ.
You know, I don't know how to do these things.
But is a thankful heart something that comes from a

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healthy relationship with God? I don't think it has anything
to do with money, because I've had a thankful heart broke,
and I've had a thankful heart when I had money.
Is it something that can be People don't realize this,
but you can. Wisdom comes from having lived, but you
can ask for wisdom too, and it can be gifted
and grace to you. Is the same thing true with thanksgiving,

(04:48):
because thanksgivings on the horizon. And I'm wondering by maybe
with the election, some people are thankful, but I wonder
just how truly thankful we are.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, you know, let me say.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
About the election that if it took the election to
make somebody thankful, I'm not sure that there is a
real thanksgiving because I would like to think that before
we had an election and different results, a lot of
people are happy with that, there were already things in
our lives.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
That we were grateful for. And I will tell you.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
As someone who disagrees with every single thing Kamala Harris
stands for that had she won the election, I still
would have been thankful for this country. I still would
have been thankful for the freedom to disagree with her.
I would have been thankful for the separation of powers
that I would have been thankful for the founding fathers,
the constitution, the rule of law, the freedom see I

(05:39):
just think that the problem with thanksgiving for so many
is that the more you have to be thankful for,
the more you take for granted. And that's so true
of our country and it's why you Bramleycoln instituted the
Day of Thanksgiving, and that when he talked about the
prayers that would go into this that express our gratitude,
it was rooted in a not taking for granted the things.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
That we have.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Let me ask you, this is it in our You know,
from a theological theological standpoint, people talk about sinful nature,
man's nature versus God's nature, which you know, I actually
think one of the processes of life is us decreasing
so that you can increase through us. But is it
in our man nature to be thankful and see the

(06:24):
glass half full? Or is that more something God's trying
to teach us?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
But in a way, what.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
You're asking is is mankind sinful? Do we right now
have a sinful nature because a lack of thingsgiving, lack
of gratitude, a conviciousness for others, the behaviors that would
make us want to go take someone else's wife, take
someone else's possessions, take someone else's life. The commandments of
the Bible, Murder, adultery, convesciousness, line these all these all

(06:56):
come from a sinful heart, and and and come from
a lack of gratitude and contentment with the things that
we have, the belief that we can do things our
own way, that we can be God. This is no,
it's not in our nature to be thankful. It is however,
when we put aside the flesh and take on the
spirit of Christ, it is in Christ's nature right, and

(07:17):
so he is our second atom.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
And so the nature of Adam.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
You should become through the renewing of our mind, our
new nature. So let me ask you this.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Doctor, right, and it is perfected in redemption, and so
over time, in the new heavens and new Earth, we
will have a perfect gratitude. Right now we're supposed to
be constantly striving for them.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, can you really?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
David Bonson, by the way, this is our weekly money
segment because he's in an economist and money whiz, but
he's also a theologian. And Thanksgivings on the horizon, and
I won't talk to you next week before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Is it even a holiday?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I mean, it's almost a failure to start with, because
this should be every moment of your life, every conscious
day of your life, not one day a year.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Well, that's certainly true, although I guess I would add
that we ought to be celebrating the keenly nature of
Christ every day, not just Christmas. We ought to be
celebrating the resurrection of Christ, not just not just Easter,
but every day. You know, my dad, who was one
of the greatest theologians of the twentieth century, was a
preacher who always used to constantly say that every Sunday

(08:22):
is Easter Sunday. We gather every week to celebrate the
reservation or Russian Christ, not once a year. So there
is a sort of secular Americanism to celebrate Thanksgiving once
a year, because there is a tokenism in some of
the godlessness of America that we will get together, eat turkey,

(08:44):
watch football and call it our day of Thanksgiving. And
I kind of agree with you. I absolutely love Thanksgiving,
but I do believe it it should be more than token.
It should be it should be a celebration with friends
and family that sends from a true heart of Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Well, here comes another Felge theological question. All right, so
the difference between the heart and the mind. The Bible's
Paul very specific guard your hearts and minds in Christ
to arrive at Thanksgiving? Is that a function of the
heart the mind are both?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (09:17):
You know?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Do you know if we ever met, we would never separate.
You do realize that, don't you?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, But I think that that God made us with
different context, different dimensions, That we have a feeling dimension,
we have a cognitive dimension. You know, we relate to
people normatably and situationally. And I don't believe and I
believe that this is by the way, this is the
theology all a reflection of the triune nature of God himself,

(09:46):
that God himself is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and
that they have different attributes. And so the real, massive
mistake of today's diversity endeavor is not that we are
against diversity. Nobody in the history of the world is
more for diversity than Christians. And so we define diversity

(10:08):
today as race, gender in class, instead of the way
God defines diversity, which has to do with individuality in
the human spirit, the way the diversity of how we
might have different focuses emphasies. And so the mind and heart,
there are people that are more cognitive in the way
they think about Thanksgiving. The people are more emotional, feeling oriented.

(10:30):
And none of this is right or wrong. It is
diverse because God made.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Us that way.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
We're visiting with David Bonsen and our weekly money visit,
but we're talking about Thanksgiving. You know, we kind of
compartmentalized too by human nature. And so maybe someone is
going to sit with a turkey in front of them,
surrounded by family, and maybe they'll just piously throw in there,
you know, as they're talking to God. Thank God for
being our father, thank Him for our son, thank Him

(10:58):
for sending his spirit. We shouldn't view it as okay,
I'm grateful for God. I'm grateful for my marriage. I'm
grateful for my children. I'm grateful for my parents that
are still alive. I'm grateful for my friends. I'm grateful
for my radio show and all my listeners. They're all
evidence of the same God. They all come from the
same hand. My wife is his promise to me.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
My children are his gift in stewardship that I take
for him and what a blessed But they're all evidence
of Him. They're not separate from him.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is that a key to really unlocking thankfulness to see
what you have around you.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Well a force it is, and I agree entirely. And
I also agree that we also have gratitude, not merely
for the big things in life. So I think there's
nothing wrong with every day this thing. I cannot get enough,
you know, giving out for my family, for my loved ones,
for you know, the provisions that have given my life.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
A meaning and a special joy.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
And that is really understandable that you go right to
the big things, because that's kind of how we're wired.
But I will say, I'm sitting in my apartment in
your city right now looking out at Grahamesey Park, and
I'm thankful for orange leaves because i think they're beautiful, absolutely,
And I'm thankful that when we turn on the faucett,
water comes out and I don't have to think about
how it does it. Because the modern market economy that

(12:22):
everyone used to sit around and complain about made it
possible for us to get modern plumbing, to have you know, refrigeration,
to have air conditioning. There's just things we get for granted,
and I think they's giving us a big chance to
think about that, not just our spouse, not just our kids.
Those are pretty big things, not just our jobs. That's
a really big thing.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Years ago, when I lost my job and I thought
I was going to lose my home and lose everything,
you know what I was grateful for.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I wasn't alone.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Scott Hamilton was there, Matt Reddick was there, Paul Winkler
was there, David Zanatti was there, my brother Vick was
there every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I mean, it's just it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's a golf course for my dad, my dad, my
dad will you know, literally go fishing and it's like
going to church, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean, we're just surrounded.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
There was a great song by Billy Crockett that was
spectacled talking about he is the wind, he is the Sun,
he is the rain, and it's finding God and all that.
It's one of the most powerful songs you'll ever hear.
I never can listen to it without singing. But the
things to be grateful for are literally all around us.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I want to end with this. We often you brought
this up earlier, but we often look at taxation, for example,
through the sin of envy and covetousness. We want to
take from one and assume that they got it wrongly
and just take it and give it to someone else
and assume that that's righteous. But today I woke up
and I got to tell you I was already in
a broken mood over Lake and Riley's trial, in the

(13:48):
family's testimony. But the notion that I am sitting here,
especially on a national show, and I'm looking at my
screen and it's wanting my lips to read. President Joe
Biden is awarding the highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal
of Freedom, to Ceceal Richards, an abortion rights activist and

(14:10):
former president of Planned Parenthood, in the name of free
it's his breath taking to me, if I were to
die today and to be absent from the body to
be present with God, has it going down there?

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh it's bad.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
They just gave the highest medal of freedom to someone
who's dedicated their life to silencing and taking the life
of the unborn that all Heaven was weeping over.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I mean, you know, moments like that help me.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
We're only getting it completely wrong, David, And a nation
under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Lot. I want people all at once, though, to remember
that that is the natural byproduct of unbelief. They're not
doing something inconsistent, They're doing something consistent with a worldview
that doesn't honor life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I needed you today.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Everybody's going to be going to Thanksgiving and the big
story is going to be don't bring up politics so
you'll all start fighting. Look if politics could even come up,
and if you would give it oxygen, let alone participate
in the fight. You've only missed Thanksgiving completely, right. I mean,
what would your advice be to them?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, I think there's some people. If they'd act the
wisdom to know how to discuss tough issues civilly and charitably,
then I guess they should sit there and know thyself.
But no, as a general rule, politics, religion, sports, all
the big debates of the day.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
If grown ups should be.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Able to talk with peace, love and understanding.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
This is your morning show with Michael Deltono. Go to
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Speaker 1 (15:52):
Whatever you're listening to me on whatever station, it'll have
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
When you press that, it counts you down no longer.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
In talk radio, do you have to rot on hold
and wait for the Diary of the Mouth host to
eventually get to you make your comment, you ask your question,
and bada bing, bada boom. You're live on the air,
and I don't even know who the first one is,
so you'll have to do it.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Okay, this would be a Woody Well, Michael, it's Woody
and Puier, Arizona. Now this animal that killed Lake and
Riley has been convicted. I'd like to see President Trump
come out and make an address to the nation and
formally apologize for the US government and specifically the failures
of Biden and majorcas for their failures to secure the

(16:33):
border and protect American citizens, and reassure Americans that come
January twentieth, this nonsense ends.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
One thing in the media has done is swept this
case under the rug. They don't want you seeing this killer.
They don't want you focused on this gang that's in
sixteen of our states. They're still out among us. And
it happened to Laken, It could happen to your daughter. Still,
I've got daughters in a state. This gang is president,

(17:02):
and this president plans to deport them all, starting with
the criminals. They won't cover the case. Maybe they'd cover
the president talking about it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Not a bad idea. What do you Who's next?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Uh, we gotta go talk back from k f YI
no name.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Good morning Michael.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
This is Paul from Surprise, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Just a quick question. Don't know if you know the answer, but.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
I understand that it was a Sorrow Sorrows backed.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Prosecutor.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
But doesn't the judge have the ability to change.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
The penalty?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Just a question?

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, the answer is no. A judge cannot impose the
death penalty if the prosecution doesn't seek it. In every
death penalty state except for Alabama, a judge can only
impose the death penalty if a unanimous jury recommends it,
or if the defendant ways their rights to a jury
trial and it has to be brought forth by the prosecution,

(18:07):
so they have to pursue the death penalty. Uh read
what was the exact wording of why that prosecutor Sorrow's funded,
woke leftist? She didn't want to do it because what
it would It would it would put other illegal felons and.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
It would impact other illegals in the future.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, who commit crimes, But it's okay for Americans to
commit But like.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
The But like the previous color president Joe Biden failed
lacoln Riley, Vice President Kamala Harrison. They were making political
fodder over the border. The Homeland Security director, the DA,
the prosecutor, the media, America failed her and that family,
and they're still among us in sixteen states.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Who was next?

Speaker 6 (18:51):
We've got Brian Visit Brian from Old Fair, Wisconsin. For
any city or county in California and don't want to
cooperation with the deportation effort, should lose all federal.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Funding period across the board.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's what I would do. That's why Brian's one of
my favorites. Any others do have a gentlemen by the
name of Ben King. Good morning, Michael. I don't know
how these people can even sleep at night. I really know.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
It's disgusting how this administration has neglected the border. I
don't even know how these people get through TSA to fly.
It's ridiculous. They're endangering citizens. It could be a terrorist
for all we know, on those planes and still be illegals.
How we know who's on those planes flying with citizens

(19:43):
every day. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, Ben, I feel your pain when I think of
this animal, and how he came through the border unvetted,
how he was just let go twice on felony charges.
I mean, you should have caught him at the border.
You had him on felonies, then he was released. Then
they were using our tax dollars. He's staying at the

(20:06):
Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan on our dime. And then to
your point, Ben, with our money, he just I mean,
you and I want to fly from Manhattan to Atlanta,
we go buy a ticket, right and we pay for it.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Not him.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
He just applied for it and they sent him and
his girlfriend on the plane. I woke up this look.
I was destroyed yesterday watching all this testimony. And trust
me when I tell you, For those that have been
listening for a while, or if you already heard it
on the podcast, I spared you some of the most

(20:39):
heart wrenching. I mean, I woke up this morn I'm like,
how do I do this? You wake up in the
morning to be informed, to be uplifted? You know, I
have some fun on the way to work. And I'm
going to hit you with this because I'm telling you,
if I played you the clips that I had to
live through, you'd have been weeping this morning when that father,
heart wrenching is saying I failed my daughter. I wasn't

(21:00):
there to protect her. And part of me didn't want
to do it, and then part of me had to
do it because what's the media do and they're hiding this,
and what's the conversation going to be? Deportation of criminals
like this, freeing these sixteen states of this jail emptying
element that has been placed and jeopardizing our law and order.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
In public safety.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I want to do it because it was her, because
it could be our daughter next. And I can see
it got to you, and we still got two more
of these to go in Texas and Massachusetts. You would
be one thing if this is just one horrifying thing
that happened and it's over, as Red is off to say,

(21:42):
and they're still among us. I mean, when I look
at that map and I think to myself, of how
many of these KFYI listeners in Phoenix. This gang is
in your state, Impact Radio and Tampa. They're in Florida,
Wyrec and Memphis, WLAC and Nashville. They're in Tennessee. They're

(22:08):
in Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville, We're one of the most
infected states.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
That isn't a Lake and Riley story. That's our daughter's story.
They're here.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
To have no opinion, to have no emotion, to have
no fear, to have no protectiveness about you is to
be ignorant of a real problem. New Jersey, New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Virginia,
North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, La Texas, North New Mexico, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Well it was Colorado.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Saw the videos on there, just taking over an apartment
complex Arizona. This killer is a part of a jail
birthed gang and they have infiltrated sixteen of our states.
The Good New it'll be priority one of Donald Trump
to find them and deport them. It appears to be

(23:08):
goal number one of California to not assist in any way.
The problem is we still got the rest of November, December,
and half of January before that work can even begin.
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illegal immigrant convicted of killing Georgia nursing student Lakeln Riley

(23:56):
sentenced to life without PAROLEA Mark Mayfield has our top story.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
Judge Patrick Haggard announced the sentence with that.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Mister Borro, if you will please stand.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
Count one malice murder, A sertains shoot of life without
the possibility to.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
Parole, I was saying Abarro, whis found guilty on all
ten counts by the judge who handed down the verdict
after Obarro waived his right to a jury trial. The
prosecution said Ibarro went hunting for women on the University
of Georgia campus and encountered Riley on our morning run
in February. The case drew national attention and was a
focus of the presidential election.

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Dinakodiak has more.

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a world war that is brewing, Jason, what's the latest?

Speaker 5 (26:47):
You're absolutely right, World War three has been talked about
quite a bit in the past coming days. So Zelenski
and Putin kind of looked like the two kids on
the playground saying my missiles bigger than yours. Watched this,
and Ukraine is sending missiles, long range missiles into Russia.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Russia is sent.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
At least we're getting reports one long range missile into
the city of Kiev, which is the city's capital. It's
a main hub, it's a stronghold for Ukraine at the moment.
And the original thought was if Ukraine is to give
up Kiev, then Russia kind of wins, and that's kind

(27:26):
of the end of it. So this is where tensions
are going to get really high. We know that the
Biden administration has approved Ukraine using land mines, and these
land mines are barred from being used from countries around
the globe because every once in a while we get
a story of a child running and playing and getting
blown up by one of these things. So it's really

(27:48):
interesting to see how all of this is going to
play out. The idea here is that if Russia can
get Ukraine's back up against the wall, when President Trump
gets in the office and he's able to bring the
two sides to the negotiating table, Ukraine is going to
have to take the first offer that is presented because
funding will dry up as well.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
All right, So you just hit the nail right on
the head. Is this posturing leading up to a negotiation
and a strengthful position in a negotiation with a new president,
or is this posturing for an escalation into World War
we're certainly hoping for the film.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
We're not the latter exactly exactly, And the early.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Reports are, and these are very early unconfirmed reports, is
that Russia will only be satisfied in stopping this thing
if Ukraine has broken up into three different parts.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Now what that looks like.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
We're not exactly short at this time, but that's sort
of what is happening. The US embassy in Kiev is
reopened today. But I had if I had to imagine
most people are working from.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Home, well I would hope.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So, you know, people ask me that all the time,
like you know, I mean, I'm capable of giving an
intelligent you know, I look at things through three lenses, biblical, geopolitical,
and historic, and I think I'm pretty up on this stuff.
I can give you an intellectual take of where things
might be, but I can't see the future.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm not a soothsayer.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
So when people ask me, hey, are we going to war, well,
I think they're already at war, and you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
A world war.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's a cold world war right now that we're not
anxious to see go hot. But the minute you have
North Korean troops in Russia, you know, China ultimately like
to stay out of it and continue, you know, to
have gone their murray way with the bidens of the
world and have their way economically, but they would join in,
and they, you know, they might, So the sides have

(29:49):
already been taken. I think that Vladimir Putin ultimately is
trying to put back together the Russian Empire map, not
necessarily the Soviet Union, but the Russian Empire map. He's
not going to be satisfied with a portion of Ukraine
or just Ukraine, so he's already in a state of compromise.

(30:10):
I doubt anybody's going to be interested in splitting Ukraine
in three crimea would be a great example of how
that doesn't work. But I do think, I don't you know,
when he said things like yesterday, look, these missiles were
given by the United States, permission to use them by
the United States. These missiles being fired at us, we're

(30:33):
assuming and recognizing as being fired from the United States
a breach of NATO and an active war. Nukes are
on the table. We could nuke Ukraine. I don't, but
I don't know that he's going to follow through with that.
I sense, like you, he knows Trump's coming. They could
be having conversations now we'll never know, but you know,
you have just the right guy come into office to

(30:55):
deal with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong un that we
learned from the first time around. I think he's jocking
for his best because there's there's reports he's willing to
come to the tables and talk about a ceasefire, but
only if it's with Donald Trump. So you know, I
think it's more or less he's jockeying for the strongest
position for the negotiation to come.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
God, that's my prayer. Anyway.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Nobody wants a World War three.
But what we do know is that Donald Trump is
a businessman, very successful one. So love him or hate him,
you can't deny his success as a businessman. And he's
collecting bargaining chips as we speak. I'm sure that there's
high level back channel conversations already happening. Well, what would

(31:37):
it take? What would it take? And then he'll bring
the two sides to the negotiating table. He's the guy
that says, hey, within twenty four hours, I can have
peace in that portion of the globe. And you know,
if we start getting involved in this mess, then does
that bring in you know, to play the Middle East
and then do we get involved in that mess now
or spread way too thin? And you know those conversations.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I was just gonna say, it's this and it's the
same sides, right, because you don't think, you know, we
learned about the proxy war with Iran, with with Kuthi's
and Hamas and Hezballah, but what you're really dealing with
is Iran. And when you're dealing with Iran, you're really
dealing with Russia and China North Korea. So it's all
the same game. But yeah, and then there's the fear
that you know, somebody's trying to interrupt this presidency with

(32:21):
the World War the way they did the first time
around with COVID. Great reporting, Jason, perhaps we talked tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
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