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Starting your morning off right. A new way of talk,
a new way of understanding, because we're in this together.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is your morning show with Michael Gill Chorny and
good morning. It's seven minutes after the hour on this Thursday, December,
the eleventh year of our Lord, twenty twenty five. I know,
I can't believe it's Thursday, let alone Tomorrow is Friday
with forty seven and next hour a visit with Marlo Thomas,
that girl on this show.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Stick around if you're just waking up.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The FED chair did lower the interest rates a quarter.
Attorney General Pam Bondi says an oil tanker was seized
by the United States off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
More on that in just a second.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Rising floodwaters in Washington State may force one hundred thousand
residents to evacuate north of Seattle, and Thursday Night Football
Tonight has the Falcons in Tampa to take on the Buccaneers.
Baker Mayfield and Company Cracker Barrel is hoping to regain
customers after the branding mishap earlier this year, but now
(01:32):
they've gone ahead and done some more changing, this time
to the MENUS. National correspondent Roory O'Neil is here. I've
been griping all morning long that there's a simple update
on the iPhone and I did it, and I don't
know what I expected. Maybe a little security thing or
you know, it completely changed everything.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
This is a completely different phone.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It affected cutting, pasting, deleting, everything, and I can't figure anything.
I want to throw this thing under a truck. Why
do people feel and need to change things that aren't broke.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, sometimes it's to sell you a new one. Notice
how they always do these updates. I don't know, right
in Christmas shopping season, Yeah, probably that's probably not so
much slower. The batteries did so much faster. She what
happened three weeks before?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Is it too? Are you an iPhone person or I am?
I'm Samson.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, I have never done an update that completely changed,
not just the look and the grass. I mean everything
is different, Every menu is different. I'm like, what were
they thinking?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It probably made it more like a Samsung, which is
a much better phone than the first part.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You always got to take the elitists position, all right,
So what did just to god?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I never wanted an iPhone because at the time it
had a different plug. I'm like, I can't handle all
the different plugs in the same that was my The
BlackBerry plug matched the Samsung plug.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's why, Oh my gosh, Blackberries. Why are we all
going back to like nostalgia? Angela one of our callers
brought up MySpace, which I haven't even heard that word,
those words in so long. All right, what did Cracker
Barrel do with their menu? I still Cracker Barrel the
last thing.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, see that's the problem now, and they you know,
obviously they had the logo rollout change that they backtracked on,
even the decision to remake some of the interiors. They
put a halt on that. They did bring back some
item menu items that people wanted. The campfire meals Uncle
Herschel's breakfast and chicken and rice. But now they're preparing
some dishes differently. For instance, the green beans are cooked
(03:34):
in an oven, not on stovetop anymore. And there are
complaints about how they roll out the cookies these days.
They're made in big batches, not individually. But does the
Wall Street Journal talk to seventy three year old Craig Watkins,
I want pure maple syrup on pancakes, not.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
That water down junk man. So that's those kinds of complaints.
Is that CEO gone?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
She is not, but she says she has felt as
though she has been quote fired by America.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Why has she not been fired by cracker Barrel?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
All right, that may come next, but yeah, I want
The other problem is most of their customers are seventy
three year olds who now bring their own maples syrup.
And the company, you know on paper, the company who says, oh, no,
we need a new generation of blah blah blah blah blah,
sort of leaving behind what brought people there in the
first place we have.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
A relative, I'll leave it at that. On Andrew's side,
that is young, has has always struggled with addiction issues,
is basically homeless. We were moving Andrew's mother and we're
going through the hoard and everything in the in the
kitchen and here's this guy with you know, no teeth dishoveled.
(04:45):
You wouldn't think any kind of you know, refinement at all.
And he goes, oh, he undoes it, takes a swig
and he goes, that's the real thing. He knew the
value of real syrup, but it just blew me away.
But and I had never thought about it till then.
If you haven't had a pancake with real maple syrup,
(05:07):
do it, and you'll notice what the watery junk they've
been giving you is not the same at all.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
High frutose corn syrup ain't maple syrup and ain't mabel.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But it takes so many trees to make a bottle
of syrup. All right, And then the venezuela. We're gonna
talk more about this in the next segment. But obviously
this is all very reminiscent for me of history repeating
itself only it's not Cue, but it's Venezuela, and it's
not Russia or Soviet Union. At the time, it seems
to be Iran. But the seizing of this boat, that's
a big story today.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It is.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
And actually I thought it interesting that it was the
Attorney General sort of explaining the actions here, saying the
Coast Guard, FBI, Homeland Security investigations all taking action to
seize this tanker off the coast of Venezuela, saying that
it had been targeted for sanctions for years, essentially smuggling
oil all around the world and trying to cover its tracks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Roy'll have more on that when he comes back in
the third hour.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'll talk about the interest rate cut, which was exactly
what we were expecting a quarter point.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
DC's here.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He's the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host of
the Public Square, co host of Christmas in America that
will be available part one on the Public Square dot com.
And here he just has the title of senior contributor.
Good morning, David, Good morning boys. It's good to talk
with you again today.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I have not stopped thinking about our conversation since yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and I got a lot of response, I sent
one of them to you. I wonder if I saved it,
because I just revealed to everybody you're the one that leaves.
I'm a delete freak, and you're how many emails do
you have right now in red lettering?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Oh? What depends on what computer I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, but I mean on your phone. Like sometimes I've
looked over at your phone and didn't you once have
like a thousand?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't know, I have thirty five thousand emails up today.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh I'm a delete freak, So I might have deleted it,
but I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The immediate text was all we are doing with AI
is reconstructing the Tower of Babel. That just put a
chill down my spine, said one listener. So this is
kind of like a follow up and a continuation on
our journey of discovery on AI.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Is it good? Is it bad? Is it to be
embraced as to be avoided?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Is it both just depends on how you're using it,
what you're feeding it, or is it ultimately something of danger?
And so that got us talking about Glenn Beck not bashing.
Glenn was one of the first to sound the alarms
on authenticity. And credibility and reality and what AI is
going to do that can never be put back in
the bottle, and yet now using it to try to
(07:44):
resurrect true understanding of our founding and our nation and
an education. So which is it good or bad? And
then you made that quote, which is exactly what we're
going to pick up today. Are we actually constructing the
next tower of Babel?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well talked about the fact that technologies we always try
to pretend that technologies are neutral and its depending on
how we use them. Well, that may or may not
be true here, because the software intention of AI is intentional.
It's not casual. It's not something we discovered in nature.
(08:23):
It's something that we are intentionally doing. And what's it
built upon? What's it based on? Well, first off, it's
based upon thievery. Basically, what we're doing is we're either
mining or scraping words that don't belong to us, that
belong to someone else and feeding them into large language models.
And then we have a software mechanism that has taught
(08:45):
the software code to skip and map between words, and
so that a query comes in and it's a test
and the software program answers the test. But the way
we're hyping AI is we're hyping it to say that
it has the authenticity and the moral authority of being
true automatically, that it actually has a persona of truth. No,
(09:06):
it's whatever you put in and however you trained it
to come out. Now, let's take the example of GEORGIAI
that Glenn Beck is messing around with and or experimenting with,
or developing on. I don't want to say anything that
would sound for Georgia, not because I'm afraid of Glenn,
because one, he's not here to defend himself. In two,
like I said yesterday, I admire the way Glenn is
working to preserve history more than the way most of
(09:28):
us are letting it disappear. So I don't want to
discourage anyone from the pursuit of retaining American history. But
I have right now, right here in front of me
and before all of you, a copy of George.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Washington, a collection by W. B.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Allen, my dear friend and our trustee at the American
Policy round Table. This book was published in nineteen eighty eight,
and it comes from the study of over one hundred
thousand Doctor Allen actually read over one hundred thousand documents
written by George Washington, from diaries to official presidential memory,
going back to the to the time George Washington was
(10:04):
nine years old. His first recorded letter is nine years old.
And his next treatise was the Rules of Civility that
he wrote down and copied that he learned when he
was eleven years old, going back from the start the
very last days of his life.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And here's the thing that doctor Allan forward before you
do that. Sure, we always marvel at the age of
our Founding fathers and the brilliance of them at such
a young age.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I guess that's because they were doing treaties, treatises all.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, they just didn't use the internet, Okay. I mean
they actually had to learn things and languages.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Now, by the.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Way, George Washington didn't go to Harvard. George Washington was
homeschooled by his mother. Okay, George Washington was not one
of the eggheads of the Founding era. He was a
common guy. He was on the ground. His dad died
when he was eleven, and they moved back and forth.
This guy wasn't born with a silver spoon in his
mouth at all. Okay, The thing that doctor Allen brings
(11:02):
up that AI has no capacity to comprehend is that
when you go back from the beginning of Washington's writings
through the.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Whole of his life, he changed, he developed.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
While he was certainly interesting in ahead of the game
and worth noticing at the age of nine, the age
of eleven, in his middle years, he went through a
lot of challenges, a lot of difficulty.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean the way we all change, we all mature. Yeah, yeah,
we don't mean me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You mean the way the God of yesterday, today and
forever keeps changing me.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, what a make of all of my words?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I hope they don't use anything from the k r
MG days or the WTN days or go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And nor can AI encompass the experiences that created that
change to help them be in context. And so we
have to understand that this is simply a software program
in that it is neutral, but it's not neutral because
it's limited in its objectives. Certainly AI makes sense, But
(12:06):
the thing is, Michael, is we use the term because
now we all understand what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We're trapped in the branding crisis of it all.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It's discussing it's just a software program, call it whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's just a software program. Now.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I mean, you take a look at an organization like Amazon.
It's one of the most amazing organizations that has integrated
computer technology in the history of the world. It's incredible.
I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not even sure that
parts of Amazon even make money, right, but parts do.
But I'm not even sure that Amazon Prime doesn't exist
to lose money every time a truck rolls, but just
(12:41):
to keep the passive revenue of us paying for Amazon
Prime membership and videos. I mean they are brilliant point
price points and there's nots ones.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But it's all driven.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
You take a computer, you blow up the computer state
that if the computers fail.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
At Amazon, think of the crisis vle it is.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just software, more artificial dependence than intelligence. All right,
We got to connect the dots between all of that.
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Visiting with our senior contributor David Sanati.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know how we're gonna avoid overtime, but I'm
gonna do my best. We're talking about AI. What it is, well,
we don't know it is. It's good future, it's bad future.
Is it to be avoided? Is it to be embraced?
And is ultimately, as David suggested, are we rebuilding the
Tower of Babel. Here's the summary AI gives of the
(15:38):
lesson of the Tower of Babel. The Fall of the
Tower of Babel teaches that human pride, self reliance without
God and disobedience leads to confusion and division, but that
God's purpose for humanity ultimately and dependence on Him all
(15:59):
timely prevails. It's not a bad expit, by the way,
and it'll give me. It gives me a chance to
tell a little ninety second radio story if you want
to hear what that would sound like. I could do
it as a pastor's outline. In the break, I read
you all of the meanings of the Tower of Babel
Genesis story, and you can you identified several sermons that
have been scraped to come up with that. So but
(16:22):
by and large, I think we'd give it an OK
grade in general of its meaning.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But you found one big fall.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
If I if I had submitted that in seminary, I
would have failed because of course, well, because it's real simple.
But asked this question, maybe we should just save the question.
Maybe we should ask Ai over the break. But here's
the question. When did the Tower of Babel fall?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Am I permitted? Because I beat you to that? When
did it fall? If you mean when did the Tower
of Babel fall? Theologically a dated history an event. The
Bible does not give a year, a king, or any
timeline markers. It simply describes God stopping the project and
(17:08):
scattering the people.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
In other words, it's.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Out of one side is telling you what the meaning
of the fall of the Tower of Babel is, and
out of the other. Now it's admitting when you ask
it the right question. Oh no, it never felt This
has sounded like a left interview.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And what you'll notice is every time you ask AI
a question that shows a hole in it software programming,
it turns the question back on you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think you're asking or did you mean? In other words,
because I'm the authority.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know if it's building the Tower of Babbel,
but I think it's building a fine United States Senator,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
AI for President.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This is Gabriel at Saint Louis, and you're listening to do.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
A Warship with Michael Dell Jora.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Hi, it's Michael.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Your morning show can be heard live daily on great
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We'd love to have you listen live every day. Make
us a part of your morning routine. But better late
than never enjoyed the podcast. We're in the middle of
a journey of discovery with David Sanaudi, our senior contributor
(18:22):
on AI. And I was thinking just moments ago, because
we're going to have an interruption here, not an interruption,
an important update with John Decker.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Then we'll get back to David.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But you know, we were nostalogically talking about AOL and
I remember the first time I ever went on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I didn't even have it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was in my FM country music program director's office,
and I said, what's this? And so I go on.
I just start talking to some girl in Germany. Nothing
flirtatious or anything. It was just but it was such
a thrill. I'm talking to somebody in Germany right now, okay.
But it was an internet search engine that we a
movie made famous, The Mail, and we primarily used it
(18:57):
for mail.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But I don't know that even when the Internet was.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Introduced, we ever thought it would become what it's become
in our hand. And that's all happened in about twenty
five years. So what's AI today? Oh that's for us
to discuss and maybe sound as stupid as old clips
of Katie Kuric and whomever on television talking about the
Internet when they don't have any idea what it is,
(19:23):
let alone what it would become. I just wanted to
get your attention in that way, saying, look whatever, Glenn
Beck thinks AI is or can be, or negative, positive,
what have you. The reality is none of us know
what it will become. And they're going to be layers
to this. And we're simple human beings. I mean, how
(19:45):
many revolutionary changes can we withstand? We're going to kick
all that around and more with Davidson Audien moment is
he's here. Oh good, to the White House we go.
There are reports that the President talked with top European
leaders yesterday. We also are keeping an eye on one
of the biggest media battles in years, Paramount sky Dance
(20:07):
launching a hostile bid to take over Warner Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Keeping an eye on the president.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Keeping an eye on all these stories is our very
own White House correspondent, John Decker.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Good morning, John, Hey, good morning to you. How are
you doing today, Michael, I'm doing wonderful. Do we have
any idea?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, I know what I could assume that europe
is concerned that the President is maybe being so focused
on getting resolved with the Russian Ukraine that he's ignoring
the original perpetrator and the original victim.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
We had Junior.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Signifying that his father maybe getting frustrated and abandoned Ukraine,
so I'm assuming that's what it was about. But as
the White House said, what these European calls were, well,
the European.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Calls were clearly about some pressure that the President is
putting on Ukrainian President.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Vladimir Zelenski and those Ukrainian leaders. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The European leaders that we're talking about are the leaders
from the UK, France and Germany who just had a
meeting with President Zelensky earlier this week in London. That
twenty eight point peace plan proposal that was originally put
on the table by the US is now, depending upon
whom you talk to, a nineteen or twenty point plan,
(21:21):
and the big sticking points concern territory and also what
the security guarantees would be for Ukraine once a peace
deal is ultimately reached. Those are big sticking points. It's
not easy to get past those sticking points, and you
can understand why it's not easy to get to the
point of talking about any of the war, especially when
(21:42):
you consider that Russia continues to attack civilian areas in
Ukraine on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I'm not being disrespectful because you don't have the
highest respect for you, But John, those are the sticking
points three years ago. That's been the sticking points all along,
you know. Okay, well, how do we end this? And
when we do, do they keep what they took? Do
they have to give it back? I mean we've made
no progress whatsoever. I mean, none of this should be
shocking topics to anybody.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, well, I mean you're right about that, that those
were the sticking points years ago, you know, but what
you see is the war continuing, and you don't see
Putin showing any desire at all to want it to
end this war. That the president says that he believes
Putin does want to end it, but his actions don't
speak to that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So that's one problem.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Zlanski says he wants to end the war, but he
doesn't want to end the war in terms of giving
away territory that Russia has not yet conquered.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So that's another issue that you have to factor in.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know, what makes me uncomfortable in the end, Like
all wars, if one side wants to get everything their way,
you got to win and the other has to be defeated.
So if these two can't find a compromise, then they
got to fight till one side wins. And what troubles
me about that is is the way the European Union
(22:59):
and others are getting involved leaders that someone might chime
in one day and say, you know what, we're going
to help them and we're going to take out Russia
once and for all, and then you start a world war.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
But you know, I don't think anybody's talking about that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying that's how
those things play out. But the bottom eye is, you know,
if you want to keep all your territory, then you've
got to fight to you defeat Russia. Does anybody think
you crank and defeat Russia for Vladimir Putin? You're not
going to get all of Ukraine, You're not going to
move on to Poland.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What are you doing? I mean, somebody's got to get
sensible on this. Well, that's right, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I think that's where you know, the president needs to
put pressure on Putin. President She of China needs to
put pressure on Putin to essentially say, declare victory.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Just declare victory.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You have conquered something, you have acquired something, declare victory.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Say you won't.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Continue with your desires for moving eastward in Europe, not
only past Ukraine, but to other potentially Ato countries. But
you know that's something that the Vladimir Putin certainly cannot
agree to. It hasn't agreed to.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, and probably pressure from China would be the most value. Yeah,
quickly on this week, what's becoming one of the biggest
media battles in years. Paramount, Sky Dance all trying to
take a hostile takeover of Warner Brothers in Discovery, and
I was trying to educate the listeners. You don't realize
how everything that we use boiled down about four or
five major companies. So right, really, ultimately, what's its take?
(24:28):
There's a lot of stuff we watch owned by these people.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Well, there is, you know, And that's the reason why
regulators will go through whatever deal emerges as the deal
to determine whether or not they will approve these combined companies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And the big issue.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
As far as regulators are concerned is whether one company
that exists out there has a monopolistic power in the
area of streaming. We know Netflix is pretty powerful in streaming,
but you know, so is Paramount, so is HBO Plus,
and you know, you combine all these companies together. That
(25:08):
is what regulators will look out to see whether they
want that kind of combined company and whether that would
benefit consumers. If that kind of a company is ultimately
approved by the Day and the FPC, you won't.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Get them all for twenty four ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They'll set whatever price they want.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I remembers long distance bill being six hundred dollars in
nineteen seventy two. Now all of a sudden, real longs. Yeah,
well my dad, I saw my dad almost cry one time.
I'll put you on a plane go visit these people.
But the point is and then all of a sudden,
now it's just free your with your mobile phone. So
regulating is important and keep an eye on it for us.
(25:46):
John Decker will have more in his White House briefing
on podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It'll be up by.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Nine Eastern, eighth Central, and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.
All right, David, walk us through this. Do a quick
summary for those that are just joining us. We've been
kind of talking about AI and the one point I
really want to make strong is there is no wise
man in the room.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
There's no one person that gets this because.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
We don't know what we thought we got the Internet
when it first came on, but it's nothing like what
it has become. I never thought when I'm talking to
a German girl on AOL that eventually that very same
kind of interaction would destroy my daughter's life.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
We don't know what anything is going to become. Glenn Beck,
we're using him as an example, but we're not criticizing.
You know, Glenn was very outspoken about AI and the
threats to authenticity and credibility and reality.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And yet now he's using it for education. So is
it good? Is it bad? Ultimately? What is it going
to become?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You suggested, maybe all we're doing is building the next
Tower of Babel. And then I distracted us all by
having fun and asking AI. What was the story of
the Tower of Babel? Which got everything right except for
it never fell, so it's still waiting to fall right,
or it'll fall every time?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Or what's the what's the exegy?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Well, let's let's where's the wise man in the room,
Let's ask let's ask the questions.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Let's go to a computer and put in AI.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Defined by the way I've learned now in the realm
of AI, do not put a question mark at the
end of any sentence or data entry that you put
into a search engine, because that will immediately alert every
AI program, whether you have banned them or resisted them
to crash your system and invajor space. And by the way,
duck duc go is supposed to be one of these
(27:29):
wonderful systems that keeps everything clean and out of your way.
Try turning off the AI search piece on duck dot
go and watch how fast it comes back again. This
little interesting ways that the system defends itself. And yeah,
that's another experiment AI put in AI defined in a
search and what do you come up with? Well, the
American Heritage Dictionary gives us four definitions for AI, Airborne intercept, AMNESTY, International,
(27:55):
artificial insemination, and artificial intelligence. Well, then let's go to
the common language you find. Whether you're looking at AI
and the dictionary, or AI in Wikipedia or AI from NASA,
the language is almost always the same. Artificial intelligence is
the capability of computational systems to perform tasks typically associated
(28:17):
with human intelligence, such as learning, reasoning, problem solving, perception,
and decision making.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh okay, what it is is a software program.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
AI is a developmental field of software engineering and programming,
seeking to create an authoritative voice that defines reality.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
When you ask a computer a question, and.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You're not even asking a computer, the computer is the box.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You're querying a software program.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Now, if we start by keeping that in perspective, then
I think we got a.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Fair chance of not getting lost in the.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Week artificial intelligence suggests, and that may be coming we
get to the quantum phase, but it's suggesting that this
is something different than human intelligence. All it is is
a software scraping and sifting through every human intelligence statement, opinion,
or fact that's ever been considered.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
And to bring us back to the Tower of Babbel,
in spite of what AI assumes to be the theological
we've got a software program the theological answers yes and
premising that.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Is a theological answer. Unbelievable, how it's transcendent.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
The point is words have power. Unified language and accepted
definitions control human behavior. So AI is built on the
thievery of scraping the language and the power of uniformity.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Which you understand the Babbel analogy.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There it is, there's the Babbel analogy, the power of uniformity,
and when you put that into a godless equation. Human
beings start to act like pretty big deals, and what
ends up happening?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They fall.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So you abandon my mother, I go back, you know
Italian Mother's right. Some guy moves out, Hey, mom, Jimmy's
dad and mom are separated. He moved out. He's got
a woman. What you know, there's enough for me to
addle it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Eleven. Jimmy doesn't have a dad anymore. Yeah, he's got what.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
A man never leaves his wife unless he has another woman.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That was like the seed that led to my observation
that we never abandon something in life without replacing it.
If you abandon baseball, I replaced it with golf. If
you abandon this, you replace it with that. You abandoned alcoholism,
you replace it with what. And we've abandoned God. And
I think ultimately what'll make this a real babble is
if God's word isn't living, if God isn't the one,
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the God of the Old and the New Covenant, but
any God is the same, then you get this one
authoritative voice. In other words, That's what I'm saying about
the way we're talking about it today and the way
people are hearing about. It is nothing compared to the
way our children are going to hold in their hand.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
One day and it's too late. That's what I'm trying
to get as it's.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Fair to ask the fundamental questions as often as we
can while this thing is going to the races and
to the stock market, trying to control the American economy
based on speculation, which would take us back to nineteen
twenty eight in that episode of Christmas in America, because
nineteen twenty eight in the wild speculation in the market
to impression twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So bottom line closing moments of David Sanadi's CEO of the
American Policy Roundtable, host of the Public Square, co host
of Christmas in America is part one.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I think we'll be available next week on the available
right now Friday. Should be posted today or tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I apologize at the Publizy.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It's really good. Oh no, that's shameful to say. That's
a tower Babylon and of itself that you I can
I do. You can't compliment your own show.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I sure can't. I'm not the old I didn't do
it well.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I know, but I mean, you can't hear me go,
I'm not the only one does this show?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What do you can't? I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
If you've never listened to your morning show, you should.
It's the best on radio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hey, look, I helped, I.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Helped develop show and it's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And I mean your morning show too. I'll compliment them both.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It I'm thinking of the decades of research that you
have done. I mean, there's some great musicians and they're
singing with velvet voices, don't get me wrong, But the writing,
the research, that's the story.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I mean, I'll compliment you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Go listen to Christmas in America, and by the way,
don't stop it this year's go back and listen to
all of them. We find the manger in any decade, right,
even in ancient times. But what was so funny was
all right, so we're gonna do John Quincy Adams and
we're gonna do eighteen.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Twenty nine, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Thirty seven, What the heck are we gonna do for music?
Do you know what my.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Favorite song and the whole Christmas America was was the
song from eighteen thirty seven, We're.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Gonna spare that tree? What is it?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We brought it back. The light it was classic, so
you can you can check that out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Bottom line, We'll continue this journey of discovery obviously for
as long as we're on the air. I mean, nothing's
gonna probably been more transformative than AI. Is it good
or is it bad? The answer is it depends how
you're using it. Uh, and ultimately is a good or
a bad. There's a lot to be concerned with, right,
what's your summary? Well, yeah, I can leave us with
(33:10):
a question.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
In this regard you mentioned about yours or place something
that you've you've lost. You move to the godless equation,
and you see in the Book of Genesis that human
beings can't stop being ascendant even if they divorce themselves
from the transcendent God. We'll climb the tower if we
have to build it ourselves, because that's within our very nature.
It's and so ask yourself this question. Take a look
(33:31):
at Apple's logo. Apple has never been a biblical method,
a biblical company, Yet their logo is an apple, and
the apple has a bite out of it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Why I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
It's your morning show with Michael del Johno.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
The AI thing. It's a tool, plain and simple. Learn
how to use the tool before it uses you. We
use it every day, but just treat it as a tool,
no different than a hammer, different in power. Hure.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
That seems like a very rational way of looking at it,
but there is the collective change that happens. Everything is
just a tool. Use it as a tool, but people don't.
A vehicle is just a tool. Drive it like a
tool until someone drives a drunk and kills your entire family.
It's the impact that's going to collectively have from those
(34:22):
who use it right and use it wrong on a
cultural in general, that is abandon absolute truth that is
now going to turn to one voice of scriped consensus
as the new authority, and somewhere on the lineup that
we lose. You know, critical thinking and research and discovery
(34:42):
that comes from searching, not a search that gives you
an immediate someone else's immediate answer, but the search that
gives you the ultimate answers of life. It's not as
simple as that. It sounds as simple as that, and
that's certainly one practical way to protect yourself. I mean,
AA isn't going to jump out of your phone and
kill you. Although I think I just came up with
(35:03):
a great next horror movie. It's the impact that's going
to have collectively on our culture and the world. That's
what's concerning and that's what none of us know yet.
So I mean, do yourself. A favorite has been ten
seconds and watch. I think it was Katie Kirk and
Matt Lauer talking about email and they didn't know what
(35:25):
it was, and it's you can look at it now
and laugh. It's still only twenty years ago, but you
look at it and laugh. But oh how it's changed everything. Right,
No one would have ever thought, oh, it's just a tool.
Use it now. Nobody knows how to just talk and communicate.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Hey, she's that girl, Marlo Thomas.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
She's going to join us in about thirty five minutes
from now.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
We also have David Bonce and Our Money Wiz.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
On the Rake cut and how it'll impact you that
More Is Your Morning Show continues.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
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good morning. It's seven minutes after the hour on this Thursday, December,
the eleventh year of our Lord, twenty twenty five. I know,
I can't believe it's Thursday, let alone Tomorrow is Friday
with forty seven and next hour a visit with Marlo Thomas,
that girl on this show.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Stick around if you're just waking up.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
The FED chair did lower the interest rates a quarter.
Attorney General Pam Bondi says an oil tanker was seized
by the United States off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
More on that in just a second.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Rising floodwaters in Washington State may force one hundred thousand
residents to evacuate north of Seattle, and Thursday Night Football
Tonight has the Falcons in Tampa to take on the Buccaneers.
Baker Mayfield and Company Cracker Barrel is hoping to regain
customers after the branding mishap earlier this year, but now
(01:32):
they've gone ahead and done some more changing, this time
to the MENUS. National correspondent Roory O'Neil is here. I've
been griping all morning long that there's a simple update
on the iPhone and I did it, and I don't
know what I expected. Maybe a little security thing or
you know, it completely changed everything.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
This is a completely different phone.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It affected cutting, pasting, deleting, everything, and I can't figure anything.
I want to throw this thing under a truck. Why
do people feel and need to change things that aren't broke.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, sometimes it's to sell you a new one. Notice
how they always do these updates. I don't know, right
in Christmas shopping season, Yeah, probably that's probably not so
much slower. The batteries did so much faster. She what
happened three weeks before?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Is it too? Are you an iPhone person or I am?
I'm Samson.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, I have never done an update that completely changed,
not just the look and the grass. I mean everything
is different, Every menu is different. I'm like, what were
they thinking?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It probably made it more like a Samsung, which is
a much better phone than the first part.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You always got to take the elitists position, all right,
So what did just to god?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I never wanted an iPhone because at the time it
had a different plug. I'm like, I can't handle all
the different plugs in the same that was my The
BlackBerry plug matched the Samsung plug.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's why, Oh my gosh, Blackberries. Why are we all
going back to like nostalgia? Angela one of our callers
brought up MySpace, which I haven't even heard that word,
those words in so long. All right, what did Cracker
Barrel do with their menu? I still Cracker Barrel the
last thing.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, see that's the problem now, and they you know,
obviously they had the logo rollout change that they backtracked on,
even the decision to remake some of the interiors. They
put a halt on that. They did bring back some
item menu items that people wanted. The campfire meals Uncle
Herschel's breakfast and chicken and rice. But now they're preparing
some dishes differently. For instance, the green beans are cooked
(03:34):
in an oven, not on stovetop anymore. And there are
complaints about how they roll out the cookies these days.
They're made in big batches, not individually. But does the
Wall Street Journal talk to seventy three year old Craig Watkins,
I want pure maple syrup on pancakes, not.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
That water down junk man. So that's those kinds of complaints.
Is that CEO gone?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
She is not, but she says she has felt as
though she has been quote fired by America.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Why has she not been fired by cracker Barrel?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
All right, that may come next, but yeah, I want
The other problem is most of their customers are seventy
three year olds who now bring their own maples syrup.
And the company, you know on paper, the company who says, oh, no,
we need a new generation of blah blah blah blah blah,
sort of leaving behind what brought people there in the
first place we have.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
A relative, I'll leave it at that. On Andrew's side,
that is young, has has always struggled with addiction issues,
is basically homeless. We were moving Andrew's mother and we're
going through the hoard and everything in the in the
kitchen and here's this guy with you know, no teeth dishoveled.
(04:45):
You wouldn't think any kind of you know, refinement at all.
And he goes, oh, he undoes it, takes a swig
and he goes, that's the real thing. He knew the
value of real syrup, but it just blew me away.
But and I had never thought about it till then.
If you haven't had a pancake with real maple syrup,
(05:07):
do it, and you'll notice what the watery junk they've
been giving you is not the same at all.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
High frutose corn syrup ain't maple syrup and ain't mabel.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But it takes so many trees to make a bottle
of syrup. All right, And then the venezuela. We're gonna
talk more about this in the next segment. But obviously
this is all very reminiscent for me of history repeating
itself only it's not Cue, but it's Venezuela, and it's
not Russia or Soviet Union. At the time, it seems
to be Iran. But the seizing of this boat, that's
a big story today.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It is.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
And actually I thought it interesting that it was the
Attorney General sort of explaining the actions here, saying the
Coast Guard, FBI, Homeland Security investigations all taking action to
seize this tanker off the coast of Venezuela, saying that
it had been targeted for sanctions for years, essentially smuggling
oil all around the world and trying to cover its tracks.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Roy'll have more on that when he comes back in
the third hour.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'll talk about the interest rate cut, which was exactly
what we were expecting a quarter point.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
DC's here.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He's the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable, host of
the Public Square, co host of Christmas in America that
will be available part one on the Public Square dot com.
And here he just has the title of senior contributor.
Good morning, David, Good morning boys. It's good to talk
with you again today.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Michael.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I have not stopped thinking about our conversation since yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and I got a lot of response, I sent
one of them to you. I wonder if I saved it,
because I just revealed to everybody you're the one that leaves.
I'm a delete freak, and you're how many emails do
you have right now in red lettering?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Oh? What depends on what computer I'm working on.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, but I mean on your phone. Like sometimes I've
looked over at your phone and didn't you once have
like a thousand?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't know, I have thirty five thousand emails up today.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh I'm a delete freak, So I might have deleted it,
but I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
The immediate text was all we are doing with AI
is reconstructing the Tower of Babel. That just put a
chill down my spine, said one listener. So this is
kind of like a follow up and a continuation on
our journey of discovery on AI.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Is it good? Is it bad? Is it to be
embraced as to be avoided?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Is it both just depends on how you're using it,
what you're feeding it, or is it ultimately something of danger?
And so that got us talking about Glenn Beck not bashing.
Glenn was one of the first to sound the alarms
on authenticity. And credibility and reality and what AI is
going to do that can never be put back in
the bottle, and yet now using it to try to
(07:44):
resurrect true understanding of our founding and our nation and
an education. So which is it good or bad? And
then you made that quote, which is exactly what we're
going to pick up today. Are we actually constructing the
next tower of Babel?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well talked about the fact that technologies we always try
to pretend that technologies are neutral and its depending on
how we use them. Well, that may or may not
be true here, because the software intention of AI is intentional.
It's not casual. It's not something we discovered in nature.
(08:23):
It's something that we are intentionally doing. And what's it
built upon? What's it based on? Well, first off, it's
based upon thievery. Basically, what we're doing is we're either
mining or scraping words that don't belong to us, that
belong to someone else and feeding them into large language models.
And then we have a software mechanism that has taught
(08:45):
the software code to skip and map between words, and
so that a query comes in and it's a test
and the software program answers the test. But the way
we're hyping AI is we're hyping it to say that
it has the authenticity and the moral authority of being
true automatically, that it actually has a persona of truth. No,
(09:06):
it's whatever you put in and however you trained it
to come out. Now, let's take the example of GEORGIAI
that Glenn Beck is messing around with and or experimenting with,
or developing on. I don't want to say anything that
would sound for Georgia, not because I'm afraid of Glenn,
because one, he's not here to defend himself. In two,
like I said yesterday, I admire the way Glenn is
working to preserve history more than the way most of
(09:28):
us are letting it disappear. So I don't want to
discourage anyone from the pursuit of retaining American history. But
I have right now, right here in front of me
and before all of you, a copy of George.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Washington, a collection by W. B.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Allen, my dear friend and our trustee at the American
Policy round Table. This book was published in nineteen eighty eight,
and it comes from the study of over one hundred
thousand Doctor Allen actually read over one hundred thousand documents
written by George Washington, from diaries to official presidential memory,
going back to the to the time George Washington was
(10:04):
nine years old. His first recorded letter is nine years old.
And his next treatise was the Rules of Civility that
he wrote down and copied that he learned when he
was eleven years old, going back from the start the
very last days of his life.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And here's the thing that doctor Allan forward before you
do that. Sure, we always marvel at the age of
our Founding fathers and the brilliance of them at such
a young age.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I guess that's because they were doing treaties, treatises all.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, they just didn't use the internet, Okay. I mean
they actually had to learn things and languages.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Now, by the.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Way, George Washington didn't go to Harvard. George Washington was
homeschooled by his mother. Okay, George Washington was not one
of the eggheads of the Founding era. He was a
common guy. He was on the ground. His dad died
when he was eleven, and they moved back and forth.
This guy wasn't born with a silver spoon in his
mouth at all. Okay, The thing that doctor Allen brings
(11:02):
up that AI has no capacity to comprehend is that
when you go back from the beginning of Washington's writings
through the.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Whole of his life, he changed, he developed.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
While he was certainly interesting in ahead of the game
and worth noticing at the age of nine, the age
of eleven, in his middle years, he went through a
lot of challenges, a lot of difficulty.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean the way we all change, we all mature. Yeah, yeah,
we don't mean me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You mean the way the God of yesterday, today and
forever keeps changing me.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, what a make of all of my words?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I hope they don't use anything from the k r
MG days or the WTN days or go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And nor can AI encompass the experiences that created that
change to help them be in context. And so we
have to understand that this is simply a software program
in that it is neutral, but it's not neutral because
it's limited in its objectives. Certainly AI makes sense, But
(12:06):
the thing is, Michael, is we use the term because
now we all understand what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We're trapped in the branding crisis of it all.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It's discussing it's just a software program, call it whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's just a software program. Now.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I mean, you take a look at an organization like Amazon.
It's one of the most amazing organizations that has integrated
computer technology in the history of the world. It's incredible.
I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not even sure that
parts of Amazon even make money, right, but parts do.
But I'm not even sure that Amazon Prime doesn't exist
to lose money every time a truck rolls, but just
(12:41):
to keep the passive revenue of us paying for Amazon
Prime membership and videos. I mean they are brilliant point
price points and there's nots ones.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
But it's all driven.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
You take a computer, you blow up the computer state
that if the computers fail.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
At Amazon, think of the crisis vle it is.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just software, more artificial dependence than intelligence. All right,
We got to connect the dots between all of that.
As background to the Tower of Babbel when your morning
show continues on our Ai Journey of Discovery with our
senior contributor David Sonati, I love this time of year
to talk about preborn. I mean, think of the story
(13:24):
the angel comes to marry You're going to conceive a
child now betrol. There was a big deal in those days.
The angel went again to Joseph, two people of great faith.
That is often lost in the Christmas story. You want
to talk about uncertainty, you want to talk about risk,
(13:44):
and they made the right decisions. When a young woman
has an unplanned pregnancy, they feel alone, they're unsure what
to do, and you're the only angel that can visit
every mother preborn's serve face as a moment of decision
when she sees her baby's ultrasound. And that's what we
have found to be the game changer. A lot of
(14:07):
social pressure to end the pregnancy, and then they see it,
they see the fingers, the face, they hear the heart beat.
It's a game changer and the answer is more often yes.
And that's the opportunity we have to celebrate the greatest
(14:28):
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is your morning show with Michael del Chrono.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Visiting with our senior contributor David Sanati.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know how we're gonna avoid overtime, but I'm
gonna do my best. We're talking about AI. What it is, well,
we don't know it is. It's good future, it's bad future.
Is it to be avoided? Is it to be embraced?
And is ultimately, as David suggested, are we rebuilding the
Tower of Babel. Here's the summary AI gives of the
(15:38):
lesson of the Tower of Babel. The Fall of the
Tower of Babel teaches that human pride, self reliance without
God and disobedience leads to confusion and division, but that
God's purpose for humanity ultimately and dependence on Him all
(15:59):
timely prevails. It's not a bad expit, by the way,
and it'll give me. It gives me a chance to
tell a little ninety second radio story if you want
to hear what that would sound like. I could do
it as a pastor's outline. In the break, I read
you all of the meanings of the Tower of Babel
Genesis story, and you can you identified several sermons that
have been scraped to come up with that. So but
(16:22):
by and large, I think we'd give it an OK
grade in general of its meaning.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But you found one big fall.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
If I if I had submitted that in seminary, I
would have failed because of course, well, because it's real simple.
But asked this question, maybe we should just save the question.
Maybe we should ask Ai over the break. But here's
the question. When did the Tower of Babel fall?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Am I permitted? Because I beat you to that? When
did it fall? If you mean when did the Tower
of Babel fall? Theologically a dated history an event. The
Bible does not give a year, a king, or any
timeline markers. It simply describes God stopping the project and
(17:08):
scattering the people.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
In other words, it's.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Out of one side is telling you what the meaning
of the fall of the Tower of Babel is, and
out of the other. Now it's admitting when you ask
it the right question. Oh no, it never felt This
has sounded like a left interview.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And what you'll notice is every time you ask AI
a question that shows a hole in it software programming,
it turns the question back on you.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think you're asking or did you mean? In other words,
because I'm the authority.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know if it's building the Tower of Babbel,
but I think it's building a fine United States Senator,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
AI for President.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This is Gabriel at Saint Louis, and you're listening to do.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
A Warship with Michael Dell Jora.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Hi, it's Michael.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Your morning show can be heard live daily on great
radio stations like News Radio six fifty k E n
I Anchorage, Alaska, Talk Radio eleven ninety Dallas, Fort Wort,
and Freedom one O four seven in Washington, d C.
We'd love to have you listen live every day. Make
us a part of your morning routine. But better late
than never enjoyed the podcast. We're in the middle of
a journey of discovery with David Sanaudi, our senior contributor
(18:22):
on AI. And I was thinking just moments ago, because
we're going to have an interruption here, not an interruption,
an important update with John Decker.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Then we'll get back to David.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But you know, we were nostalogically talking about AOL and
I remember the first time I ever went on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I didn't even have it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It was in my FM country music program director's office,
and I said, what's this? And so I go on.
I just start talking to some girl in Germany. Nothing
flirtatious or anything. It was just but it was such
a thrill. I'm talking to somebody in Germany right now, okay.
But it was an internet search engine that we a
movie made famous, The Mail, and we primarily used it
(18:57):
for mail.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
But I don't know that even when the Internet was.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Introduced, we ever thought it would become what it's become
in our hand. And that's all happened in about twenty
five years. So what's AI today? Oh that's for us
to discuss and maybe sound as stupid as old clips
of Katie Kuric and whomever on television talking about the
Internet when they don't have any idea what it is,
(19:23):
let alone what it would become. I just wanted to
get your attention in that way, saying, look whatever, Glenn
Beck thinks AI is or can be, or negative, positive,
what have you. The reality is none of us know
what it will become. And they're going to be layers
to this. And we're simple human beings. I mean, how
(19:45):
many revolutionary changes can we withstand? We're going to kick
all that around and more with Davidson Audien moment is
he's here. Oh good, to the White House we go.
There are reports that the President talked with top European
leaders yesterday. We also are keeping an eye on one
of the biggest media battles in years, Paramount sky Dance
(20:07):
launching a hostile bid to take over Warner Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Keeping an eye on the president.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Keeping an eye on all these stories is our very
own White House correspondent, John Decker.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Good morning, John, Hey, good morning to you. How are
you doing today, Michael, I'm doing wonderful. Do we have
any idea?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, I know what I could assume that europe
is concerned that the President is maybe being so focused
on getting resolved with the Russian Ukraine that he's ignoring
the original perpetrator and the original victim.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
We had Junior.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Signifying that his father maybe getting frustrated and abandoned Ukraine,
so I'm assuming that's what it was about. But as
the White House said, what these European calls were, well,
the European.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Calls were clearly about some pressure that the President is
putting on Ukrainian President.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Vladimir Zelenski and those Ukrainian leaders. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The European leaders that we're talking about are the leaders
from the UK, France and Germany who just had a
meeting with President Zelensky earlier this week in London. That
twenty eight point peace plan proposal that was originally put
on the table by the US is now, depending upon
whom you talk to, a nineteen or twenty point plan,
(21:21):
and the big sticking points concern territory and also what
the security guarantees would be for Ukraine once a peace
deal is ultimately reached. Those are big sticking points. It's
not easy to get past those sticking points, and you
can understand why it's not easy to get to the
point of talking about any of the war, especially when
(21:42):
you consider that Russia continues to attack civilian areas in
Ukraine on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I'm not being disrespectful because you don't have the
highest respect for you, But John, those are the sticking
points three years ago. That's been the sticking points all along,
you know. Okay, well, how do we end this? And
when we do, do they keep what they took? Do
they have to give it back? I mean we've made
no progress whatsoever. I mean, none of this should be
shocking topics to anybody.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, well, I mean you're right about that, that those
were the sticking points years ago, you know, but what
you see is the war continuing, and you don't see
Putin showing any desire at all to want it to
end this war. That the president says that he believes
Putin does want to end it, but his actions don't
speak to that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So that's one problem.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Zlanski says he wants to end the war, but he
doesn't want to end the war in terms of giving
away territory that Russia has not yet conquered.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So that's another issue that you have to factor in.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know, what makes me uncomfortable in the end, Like
all wars, if one side wants to get everything their way,
you got to win and the other has to be defeated.
So if these two can't find a compromise, then they
got to fight till one side wins. And what troubles
me about that is is the way the European Union
(22:59):
and others are getting involved leaders that someone might chime
in one day and say, you know what, we're going
to help them and we're going to take out Russia
once and for all, and then you start a world war.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
But you know, I don't think anybody's talking about that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying that's how
those things play out. But the bottom eye is, you know,
if you want to keep all your territory, then you've
got to fight to you defeat Russia. Does anybody think
you crank and defeat Russia for Vladimir Putin? You're not
going to get all of Ukraine, You're not going to
move on to Poland.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What are you doing? I mean, somebody's got to get
sensible on this. Well, that's right, you know.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
I think that's where you know, the president needs to
put pressure on Putin. President She of China needs to
put pressure on Putin to essentially say, declare victory.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Just declare victory.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You have conquered something, you have acquired something, declare victory.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Say you won't.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Continue with your desires for moving eastward in Europe, not
only past Ukraine, but to other potentially Ato countries. But
you know that's something that the Vladimir Putin certainly cannot
agree to. It hasn't agreed to.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, and probably pressure from China would be the most value. Yeah,
quickly on this week, what's becoming one of the biggest
media battles in years. Paramount, Sky Dance all trying to
take a hostile takeover of Warner Brothers in Discovery, and
I was trying to educate the listeners. You don't realize
how everything that we use boiled down about four or
five major companies. So right, really, ultimately, what's its take?
(24:28):
There's a lot of stuff we watch owned by these people.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Well, there is, you know, And that's the reason why
regulators will go through whatever deal emerges as the deal
to determine whether or not they will approve these combined companies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And the big issue.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
As far as regulators are concerned is whether one company
that exists out there has a monopolistic power in the
area of streaming. We know Netflix is pretty powerful in streaming,
but you know, so is Paramount, so is HBO Plus,
and you know, you combine all these companies together. That
(25:08):
is what regulators will look out to see whether they
want that kind of combined company and whether that would
benefit consumers. If that kind of a company is ultimately
approved by the Day and the FPC, you won't.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Get them all for twenty four ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
They'll set whatever price they want.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I remembers long distance bill being six hundred dollars in
nineteen seventy two. Now all of a sudden, real longs. Yeah,
well my dad, I saw my dad almost cry one time.
I'll put you on a plane go visit these people.
But the point is and then all of a sudden,
now it's just free your with your mobile phone. So
regulating is important and keep an eye on it for us.
(25:46):
John Decker will have more in his White House briefing
on podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
It'll be up by.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Nine Eastern, eighth Central, and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.
All right, David, walk us through this. Do a quick
summary for those that are just joining us. We've been
kind of talking about AI and the one point I
really want to make strong is there is no wise
man in the room.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
There's no one person that gets this because.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
We don't know what we thought we got the Internet
when it first came on, but it's nothing like what
it has become. I never thought when I'm talking to
a German girl on AOL that eventually that very same
kind of interaction would destroy my daughter's life.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
We don't know what anything is going to become. Glenn Beck,
we're using him as an example, but we're not criticizing.
You know, Glenn was very outspoken about AI and the
threats to authenticity and credibility and reality.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
And yet now he's using it for education. So is
it good? Is it bad? Ultimately? What is it going
to become?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You suggested, maybe all we're doing is building the next
Tower of Babel. And then I distracted us all by
having fun and asking AI. What was the story of
the Tower of Babel? Which got everything right except for
it never fell, so it's still waiting to fall right,
or it'll fall every time?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Or what's the what's the exegy?
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Well, let's let's where's the wise man in the room,
Let's ask let's ask the questions.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Let's go to a computer and put in AI.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Defined by the way I've learned now in the realm
of AI, do not put a question mark at the
end of any sentence or data entry that you put
into a search engine, because that will immediately alert every
AI program, whether you have banned them or resisted them
to crash your system and invajor space. And by the way,
duck duc go is supposed to be one of these
(27:29):
wonderful systems that keeps everything clean and out of your way.
Try turning off the AI search piece on duck dot
go and watch how fast it comes back again. This
little interesting ways that the system defends itself. And yeah,
that's another experiment AI put in AI defined in a
search and what do you come up with? Well, the
American Heritage Dictionary gives us four definitions for AI, Airborne intercept, AMNESTY, International,
(27:55):
artificial insemination, and artificial intelligence. Well, then let's go to
the common language you find. Whether you're looking at AI
and the dictionary, or AI in Wikipedia or AI from NASA,
the language is almost always the same. Artificial intelligence is
the capability of computational systems to perform tasks typically associated
(28:17):
with human intelligence, such as learning, reasoning, problem solving, perception,
and decision making.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh okay, what it is is a software program.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
AI is a developmental field of software engineering and programming,
seeking to create an authoritative voice that defines reality.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
When you ask a computer a question, and.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
You're not even asking a computer, the computer is the box.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You're querying a software program.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Now, if we start by keeping that in perspective, then
I think we got a.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Fair chance of not getting lost in the.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Week artificial intelligence suggests, and that may be coming we
get to the quantum phase, but it's suggesting that this
is something different than human intelligence. All it is is
a software scraping and sifting through every human intelligence statement, opinion,
or fact that's ever been considered.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
And to bring us back to the Tower of Babbel,
in spite of what AI assumes to be the theological
we've got a software program the theological answers yes and
premising that.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Is a theological answer. Unbelievable, how it's transcendent.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
The point is words have power. Unified language and accepted
definitions control human behavior. So AI is built on the
thievery of scraping the language and the power of uniformity.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Which you understand the Babbel analogy.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
There it is, there's the Babbel analogy, the power of uniformity,
and when you put that into a godless equation. Human
beings start to act like pretty big deals, and what
ends up happening?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They fall.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So you abandon my mother, I go back, you know
Italian Mother's right. Some guy moves out, Hey, mom, Jimmy's
dad and mom are separated. He moved out. He's got
a woman. What you know, there's enough for me to
addle it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Eleven. Jimmy doesn't have a dad anymore. Yeah, he's got what.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
A man never leaves his wife unless he has another woman.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
That was like the seed that led to my observation
that we never abandon something in life without replacing it.
If you abandon baseball, I replaced it with golf. If
you abandon this, you replace it with that. You abandoned alcoholism,
you replace it with what. And we've abandoned God. And
I think ultimately what'll make this a real babble is
if God's word isn't living, if God isn't the one,
(30:44):
the God of the Old and the New Covenant, but
any God is the same, then you get this one
authoritative voice. In other words, That's what I'm saying about
the way we're talking about it today and the way
people are hearing about. It is nothing compared to the
way our children are going to hold in their hand.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
One day and it's too late. That's what I'm trying
to get as it's.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Fair to ask the fundamental questions as often as we
can while this thing is going to the races and
to the stock market, trying to control the American economy
based on speculation, which would take us back to nineteen
twenty eight in that episode of Christmas in America, because
nineteen twenty eight in the wild speculation in the market
to impression twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
So bottom line closing moments of David Sanadi's CEO of the
American Policy Roundtable, host of the Public Square, co host
of Christmas in America is part one.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I think we'll be available next week on the available
right now Friday. Should be posted today or tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I apologize at the Publizy.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
It's really good. Oh no, that's shameful to say. That's
a tower Babylon and of itself that you I can
I do. You can't compliment your own show.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I sure can't. I'm not the old I didn't do
it well.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I know, but I mean, you can't hear me go,
I'm not the only one does this show?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What do you can't? I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
If you've never listened to your morning show, you should.
It's the best on radio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hey, look, I helped, I.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Helped develop show and it's really good.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And I mean your morning show too. I'll compliment them both.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It I'm thinking of the decades of research that you
have done. I mean, there's some great musicians and they're
singing with velvet voices, don't get me wrong, But the writing,
the research, that's the story.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I mean, I'll compliment you.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Go listen to Christmas in America, and by the way,
don't stop it this year's go back and listen to
all of them. We find the manger in any decade, right,
even in ancient times. But what was so funny was
all right, so we're gonna do John Quincy Adams and
we're gonna do eighteen.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Twenty nine, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Thirty seven, What the heck are we gonna do for music?
Do you know what my.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Favorite song and the whole Christmas America was was the
song from eighteen thirty seven, We're.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Gonna spare that tree? What is it?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We brought it back. The light it was classic, so
you can you can check that out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Bottom line, We'll continue this journey of discovery obviously for
as long as we're on the air. I mean, nothing's
gonna probably been more transformative than AI. Is it good
or is it bad? The answer is it depends how
you're using it. Uh, and ultimately is a good or
a bad. There's a lot to be concerned with, right,
what's your summary? Well, yeah, I can leave us with
(33:10):
a question.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
In this regard you mentioned about yours or place something
that you've you've lost. You move to the godless equation,
and you see in the Book of Genesis that human
beings can't stop being ascendant even if they divorce themselves
from the transcendent God. We'll climb the tower if we
have to build it ourselves, because that's within our very nature.
It's and so ask yourself this question. Take a look
(33:31):
at Apple's logo. Apple has never been a biblical method,
a biblical company, Yet their logo is an apple, and
the apple has a bite out of it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Why I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
It's your morning show with Michael del Johno.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
The AI thing. It's a tool, plain and simple. Learn
how to use the tool before it uses you. We
use it every day, but just treat it as a tool,
no different than a hammer, different in power. Hure.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
That seems like a very rational way of looking at it,
but there is the collective change that happens. Everything is
just a tool. Use it as a tool, but people don't.
A vehicle is just a tool. Drive it like a
tool until someone drives a drunk and kills your entire family.
It's the impact that's going to collectively have from those
(34:22):
who use it right and use it wrong on a
cultural in general, that is abandon absolute truth that is
now going to turn to one voice of scriped consensus
as the new authority, and somewhere on the lineup that
we lose. You know, critical thinking and research and discovery
(34:42):
that comes from searching, not a search that gives you
an immediate someone else's immediate answer, but the search that
gives you the ultimate answers of life. It's not as
simple as that. It sounds as simple as that, and
that's certainly one practical way to protect yourself. I mean,
AA isn't going to jump out of your phone and
kill you. Although I think I just came up with
(35:03):
a great next horror movie. It's the impact that's going
to have collectively on our culture and the world. That's
what's concerning and that's what none of us know yet.
So I mean, do yourself. A favorite has been ten
seconds and watch. I think it was Katie Kirk and
Matt Lauer talking about email and they didn't know what
(35:25):
it was, and it's you can look at it now
and laugh. It's still only twenty years ago, but you
look at it and laugh. But oh how it's changed everything. Right,
No one would have ever thought, oh, it's just a tool.
Use it now. Nobody knows how to just talk and communicate.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Hey, she's that girl, Marlo Thomas.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
She's going to join us in about thirty five minutes
from now.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
We also have David Bonce and Our Money Wiz.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
On the Rake cut and how it'll impact you that
More Is Your Morning Show continues.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Next We're all in this together. This is Your Morning
Show with Michael ndheld jow Now
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