October 18, 2024 • 20 mins
Today Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum discuss several high-profile cases, including updates on the Delphi murders, the case of Suzanne Clark Simpson, and ongoing investigations involving Sean Combs (Diddy). They cover new evidence, ongoing searches, and potential legal strategies surrounding each case. Nancy and Sheryl offer their forensic insights and discuss the complexities of finding key evidence in locations like landfills, while also diving into the personal and legal intricacies of domestic violence cases and high-profile criminal investigations.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:20) Conflicted thoughts and case overviews
- (2:00) Rex Heuermann and Diddy Cases
- (4:30) Search for Suzanne Clark Simpson
- (7:30) Landfill search challenges
- (10:30) Damning evidence and family betrayal
- (13:00) Federal charges and illegal weapons
- (14:10) The feds' relentless pursuit
- (17:00) Delphi case and legal strategies
- (18:30) Potential appeal issues
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Crime Round Up.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Cheryl McCollum and I'm joined as always by the.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
One and only Nancy Grace Audy.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, I'm very conflicted.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I'll just tell you that right off the top, I've
got Delphi happening, the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson is happening,
Toburger is lurking.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Around my head like a vampire.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
And then you know, I'll just thrown Rex Huerman, although
in my mind he's that's over, he's done in, but
a fortun him and Diddy, Yes, Sean comes.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
So all that's happening in my mind they're colliding.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, I ain't conflicted about something, so let me just
address something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I was on Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
With Nancy Grace the other night and she gave such
a glowing introduction of me. Oh, Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert,
so smart, and you threw to me and I gave
you what I thought was a brilliant answer, well thought
out and without missing a beat, and I mean no hesitation.
(01:20):
You said, and I quote, well, I disagree completely.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
What was it you said?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I said that he had picked the spot out where
he was going to murder somebody and lay in wait
and it happened to be Lakeland Riley.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Oh no, no, no, no, that's not at all what happened.
He was looking in women's windows. He was looking we're
talking about lake and Riley and Ibara the birth. He
was looking at other women's windows an hour or so
before she was murdered. So he wasn't out on some
(01:57):
trail lounging behind a tree up in a deer stand
watching the trail.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That did not happen.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
So I mean, if you look at what we know,
he was looking at some other woman's window, probably trying
to see her in her underwear weirdo. And then he
tried to get somebody another woman's door creak, and then
he's out just like wandering like a predator, and he
sees her and bounces as soon he sees thinks instinctively
(02:26):
he's out of eyesight of other people. Right, So of
course I disagree because your story.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Was like beats, I love you dearly. Okay, listen, you
know Suzanne Simpson.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well well wait, wait before we talk about Suzanne Clark Simpson,
can we just put rex Hireman in a lock box
and put hit him away because he like Diddy there's
so much evidence it's overwhelming. He'll have to do a
triple backflip and get a ten from all the judges
(03:00):
even had a chance of getting out. So can we
not worry about human right? That's done, Take that off
the table.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And of course they have is chuck a jury yet.
I haven't heard one word of evidence, but I'm just
going to go in and say done. Now did he
They're still a way out for him if they pick,
If the defense picks the right jury and they get
one person on there that's a Diddy fan or Okay,
I don't don't know if you heard what I have
(03:28):
called the defense. The defense is basically saying all the
victims are hookers and hoes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
They say it was all consensual, or they're a professional
sex worker, or they slept.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Around and that's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
That's the defense. There's nowhere else to go, right, So
that's the defense. And they're already dragging the victims.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Through the mud.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
That's already happened and we haven't even gotten to jury
selection yet.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So if they get their right to your.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
A jury that would rather believe what they think they
know about Sean Combs versus what the victims are saying.
They may actually have a chance that is scary, But
the Feds don't play you know the Feds, right, They're
gonna have him wrapped up everywhere like a Christmas present
on top of the tree. So I don't think he's
(04:21):
going anywhere anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I don't know very many folks that go to the
hospital over something consensual, I agree, or that need.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
An IVY drip. Right, So that's what's happening there.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Now my mind is a little more free, so now
I can focus on what we've got left. We've got
Delphi left, well, if there are a million cases out there,
but the ones you and I have been talking about,
and we have the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson. I
don't know they've got so many searches going. They've searched
for specific areas that we know of. One is long
(04:57):
It in Bernieville, obviously the home in the woods surrounding
the home. One is his ranch, wherever that may be, and.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
One is the landfill.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I think those are the four starts is off the
top of my head, those are the four areas of
search and Sheryl. When I hear landfill search, I cringe,
you know when I go empty the trash, And yes,
I empty the trash. When I throw open the Dixie
dumpster as I call it, I have to home my
nose right, because there's all kinds of stuff I've thrown
(05:31):
in there that my mom is thrown in there. David
refuses to use the recycle band, so he throws food
in there. We actually doesn't refuse. He actually thinks he's
using it, but he puts everything in the wrong place. Okay,
I give him credit for even empty in the trash,
but he puts it in the wrong place. So when
you open it up, it smells to high have And
(05:53):
you do know we have a worm farm, right, No, yeah,
we have a worm farm. I'm not raising them to
use them in any way. We have them.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
To put in refuse, like leftover food.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Anything that either we don't eat, the dog doesn't eat,
the cat doesn't eat, the guinea pigs don't eat, my
mother doesn't eat.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Whatever's left goes to the worms.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, my grandmama in Rome, Georgia had a worm bed
right next to her favorite tree. That's what she did
every night after dinner. She went out there and fed
the worms.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
My grandparents both had that on both sides. This is
part of when of Lucy's sustainable merit badge projects.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
She built a.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Worm farm and that was like four years ago and
we still use it every single night.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Where wormy? And why am I talking about a worm bed?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Landfield?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Landfill? Thank you? Point is open?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The trash, I like have to hold my breath has batsuits.
Have you ever had a dog out in a landfill search?
It's hell, it's hot. It's so hot tempts her up
to nearly one hundred degrees. They have on hazmat suits,
their faces are covered, they're breathing through an apparatus, and
they're looking for something as small as a digit.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, And you know Nancy is a crime scene investigator.
I can tell you a crime scene like this.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's deep and wide.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So you've got a couple of football fields you might
be working, but then you've got the depth.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
What do you think I mean that next door neighbor.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Wow, Well, you know you've got an eyewitness and an
ear witness out of him. So he saw them in
a physical altercation in the yard and then he heard
some screaming coming from the woods and then he sees
the truck leave and the truck come back without her.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Four hours later, the truck comes back.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
He did not see her in the truck leaving, so
he saw the husband, Brad some aged fifty three I believe,
leaving in his black pickup two hours later. And he
actually said he heard the garage door. That must have
(08:11):
been what alerted him to look out. He heard the
garage door, looked out and saw Simpson leaving. Two hours
later he saw Simpson return.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I tell you, Nancy, you know you've got the black box,
possibly in the vehicle. You've got his cell phone. Her
cell phone as her stops the next morning. And then
that's seven o'clock in the morning, and then the school
is calling saying, hey, mom's not here to.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Get the kids.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Can you come get them.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, here's the weird part. He took them to school.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Did he not notice she wasn't there at breakfast? Why
did he wait until three o'clock that afternoon or three
thirty to say.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, where's my wife?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I mean, if I don't see David Lynch in there
screwing around in the kitchen scrounging for food, he's the
family catfishially anything left over. If I don't see him
in the kitchen when I go in there to make
everybody's breakfast, something's really wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He didn't notice that morning, she wasn't there to take
the children.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right that Possibly her car is still there, her purse
is there, her cell phone is there, her children are
there after he picks them up at three o'clock. He
didn't call the police till tarn. That's seven hours.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
You know what's so scary, Cheryl? And the first time
I ever heard this, I didn't believe it. I had
to read the article and then interview the doctor that
wrote the article. It was the doctor that wrote an
article in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And that ain't shyy right.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
The single worst time for a woman's safety is when
she's pregnant. The number one cause of death along the
pregnant women is homicide. That is a stat I could
not believe. Second most difficul time is when a woman
is trying to leave a troubled relationship. Two most dangerous
(10:07):
times in a woman's life. Suzanne Clark Simpson was trying
to leave. I listened to what her mother said. Her
mother says that she and Suzanne already had a plan
in place. She was going to come live with her mother,
and they were enrolling the little girl, I believe he's
(10:29):
five years old, in the elementary school near the mother's home.
It was already decided, so she had a plan, which
puts her in the category.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Of trying to leave.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
And that evening after they left that fancy ritzy private club,
the argyle.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You've seen inside that place. It looks like a mansion
slash museum.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Anyway, she was trying to leave because the neighbor said
she tried to walk away and he grabbed her and
would not let her leave.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The child says, you hit mommy in the face. Mommy
had a bruise on our elbow, and he took mommy's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Phone and let's talk about something else.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Pretty damning to me.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
His brother has come out and said he's not cooperating.
That's not how we were raised. We were raised to
protect each other and help each other. And they are
believing it. They are believing he had something to do
with it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
As we like to say down South, Cheryl, that's blood
right there, that is your blood. Your brother is speaking out.
Your own blood is speaking out against you. Uh uh,
nothing good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And you know there's about in my estimation, there's five
crime scenes. There's the house where they started fighting inside,
there's the yard where they continued the physical fight. Then
there's the woods where they heard screaming, and then the truck,
and then the disposal site. So I think law enforcement
once she has found and I firmly believe they will
(12:06):
find her.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I think yield a lot of physical evidence.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Well, the other day, believe it or not, I had
to disagree with Joe Scott Morgan, and he is one
of not the most, but one of the most. He
is one person I don't want to get an argument
with because he's usually throwing around autopsy terms. But he
believes He said that the reason the cops are searching
(12:33):
law enforcement necessarily cops. The reason Elie is searching the
landfill is because of DNA. I might, No, that's not
why they're searching. I guarantee you this jackass pulled to
Scott Peterson. I guarantee you that his truck was spotted
at the landfield. I bet you anything or or he
(12:56):
pinged at the landfield.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, something led them there, for sure, no question, But I.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Don't think it's DNA, and I hope you're listening, Joe
Scott Morgan. Every once in a while, you could be wrong,
just once in a while. That said, I think that
he left a trill. I think that after and of
course he's innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
He hasn't even been charged yet. Oh he's got a
caught of fed charge.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
They've got him dead in the water on a short
barreled rifle. It basically looks like a mixture between a saw.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Off shotgun and AK.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It's a me looking black weapon, black matte weapon that's
kind of sawed off and looks sawt off.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And that is a crime.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
So the fans already have him on a gun charge,
and I believe that gun charge will get you ten
and a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Fine, that's ten years right there, baby. People are not
just cheaters in one area. If you're gonna cheat and
get an illegal weapon, you're gonna cheat and miss, you know,
treat your why, you're gonna have an affair, You're going
to be abusive in other ways.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So I'm just.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Telling you, once the Feds start looking, there's gonna be
other things that are going to be able to be
tacked on.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I think, oh, yeah, you know how.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
The Feds are mm hmm, Like right now, Seawan Combs
aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka did He aka Love.
The fed's investigation is ongoing, Cheryl. They're not going to
rest with what they've got. And as a matter of fact,
(14:38):
has been brought to my attention that the night before
he was arrested in New York, the Feds were, as
it is said liaising, I'm not sure that's the word,
they were meeting with the prosecutors and the Two Fox
Shakur murder investigation. Now, the Feds are not going to
go visit a local prosecutor leus.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
They want something.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Believe me, I've been on the short end of that
stick many a time. The Feds give you nothing when
they show up at your door of your office like
a vampire.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's over.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Just hold out your arm and let them suck your blood.
They will get everything out of you and give you nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
They didn't just go meet with the state prosecution investigators
for nothing, So something is going on in the two potcase.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I agree, And I tell people the Feds don't go fishing.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
They come with it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
In hand.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm telling you they've got you before they show up.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I told you that as a FED I had a
whole room full of boxed documents to nail somebody, and
they were still waiting.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm like, what are we waiting on retirement? Why aren't
we going forward?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's just the way they are, yep. And that's what
I always liked about the state system and prosecuting violent crimes.
Somebody files a demand for.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Speedy trail, I'm like, Oh, I couldn't be happier. We'll
do this next week. Those tracking a jury.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
On Monday, get ready, let's do it. Yeah, And you
know you're more like a gunslinger. But that said, they
wouldn't be meeting with Tupac Shakur investigators if they weren't stealing.
Something is stealing. So I fully expect additional charges at
some point on Ditty.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They're going to connect everything that people have said before
in music lyrics and own interviews.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They're going to connect every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I do you think Eminem will be witness?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I do not, well, not on the stand, but I
think they've got to talk to him.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
They do have to talk to him because he obviously
knows something is, you know, illustrated in his lyrics. So
if he has anything that's probative and admissible, and yeah,
they will be talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Him absolutely, I mean all of them.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
We will see.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We got lots of irons in the fire this week.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Honey. Well, Cheryl, I'm going to Delphi. Are you going
to Delphi?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I am. I'm leaving next week.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, I'll see there. I'll see you there.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You and me and Susan Hendrix will have a good
old time watching that evidence for it. You know, I
was a little disappointed when the judge disallowed the od
Oronism theory. Okay, hold on David's lak Okay, what did
you just say. I'm talking about the Delphi case. You know,
you know, he got his NBA at Wharton, but I
(17:41):
still like to explain things to him like he's in
the third grade.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And he totally ignores it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
The Delphi case is where the two cute little girls,
Abbey and Libby, were in the in the park. It's
kind of like a rural area on a trestle bridge,
and they were abducted and murdered. Okay, the case is
going forward, and the defense was going to be that
the defendant, Richard Allen, didn't do it. That a odonistic
(18:10):
cult did it? You know that worships thor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That they did it. And the judge ruled that out.
And I was very sad because I really wanted them.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
To let that be their defense. And you just see
that jury looking around.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
At each other.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Lenk did he just say odinism? I was really But
I'm worried about that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
There is case law that when you deny the defense
their sole defense, that's reversible error, no matter how ridiculous
it might sound to the judge. So I think that
could actually be an appealable issue.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, i'd shaved.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I was disappointed about today the defense withdrew their motion
to let the jury go to the scene.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think that is so important.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Cheryl, you know you just wanted to follow the cherry
bus out there and go to the scene and see
what they were doing, try to easdrap use your long
long distance lens and find out and trying to read
some limps.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know, you me and Charlotte's some bulking loud so
they can hear our opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Hearing your analysis of what really happened.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So you were said about that, well, what about the
and I know what they're doing, but I really don't
think I think this also is an appealable issue. The
state wants to disallow some of the composites that were
drawn early on, and I don't think you. I don't
(19:39):
think under the constitution that that's going to be allowed.
I don't know how the judge ruled on it, but
uh uh no. If it comes out that the state
tried to suppress that, I just.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I have quoted you over and over in the last
two or three days.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
What's new, haerld.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I gave you credit and I said, let it in.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Let it all in.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
That's right, Let it all in, because in the end,
one way or another, it's coming in anyway, and if
you try to suppress it, you try to hide it,
not only will it come in, but then the other
side can truthfully say, and you tried to keep it
away from you?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Why why would you hide it?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
And you'll be sitting there on you crawl into a
little hall on the carpet in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well, we got lots coming up and I can't wait.
I will see you in Delphi, Sugar, see you in Delphi.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
My friend Aye Benny
Welcome to the Crime Round Up.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Cheryl McCollum and I'm joined as always by the.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
One and only Nancy Grace Audy.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello, I'm very conflicted.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I'll just tell you that right off the top, I've
got Delphi happening, the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson is happening,
Toburger is lurking.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Around my head like a vampire.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
And then you know, I'll just thrown Rex Huerman, although
in my mind he's that's over, he's done in, but
a fortun him and Diddy, Yes, Sean comes.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
So all that's happening in my mind they're colliding.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, I ain't conflicted about something, so let me just
address something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I was on Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
With Nancy Grace the other night and she gave such
a glowing introduction of me. Oh, Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert,
so smart, and you threw to me and I gave
you what I thought was a brilliant answer, well thought
out and without missing a beat, and I mean no hesitation.
(01:20):
You said, and I quote, well, I disagree completely.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
What was it you said?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I said that he had picked the spot out where
he was going to murder somebody and lay in wait
and it happened to be Lakeland Riley.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Oh no, no, no, no, that's not at all what happened.
He was looking in women's windows. He was looking we're
talking about lake and Riley and Ibara the birth. He
was looking at other women's windows an hour or so
before she was murdered. So he wasn't out on some
(01:57):
trail lounging behind a tree up in a deer stand
watching the trail.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That did not happen.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
So I mean, if you look at what we know,
he was looking at some other woman's window, probably trying
to see her in her underwear weirdo. And then he
tried to get somebody another woman's door creak, and then
he's out just like wandering like a predator, and he
sees her and bounces as soon he sees thinks instinctively
(02:26):
he's out of eyesight of other people. Right, So of
course I disagree because your story.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Was like beats, I love you dearly. Okay, listen, you
know Suzanne Simpson.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well well wait, wait before we talk about Suzanne Clark Simpson,
can we just put rex Hireman in a lock box
and put hit him away because he like Diddy there's
so much evidence it's overwhelming. He'll have to do a
triple backflip and get a ten from all the judges
(03:00):
even had a chance of getting out. So can we
not worry about human right? That's done, Take that off
the table.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And of course they have is chuck a jury yet.
I haven't heard one word of evidence, but I'm just
going to go in and say done. Now did he
They're still a way out for him if they pick,
If the defense picks the right jury and they get
one person on there that's a Diddy fan or Okay,
I don't don't know if you heard what I have
(03:28):
called the defense. The defense is basically saying all the
victims are hookers and hoes.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
They say it was all consensual, or they're a professional
sex worker, or they slept.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Around and that's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
That's the defense. There's nowhere else to go, right, So
that's the defense. And they're already dragging the victims.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Through the mud.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
That's already happened and we haven't even gotten to jury
selection yet.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So if they get their right to your.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
A jury that would rather believe what they think they
know about Sean Combs versus what the victims are saying.
They may actually have a chance that is scary, But
the Feds don't play you know the Feds, right, They're
gonna have him wrapped up everywhere like a Christmas present
on top of the tree. So I don't think he's
(04:21):
going anywhere anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I don't know very many folks that go to the
hospital over something consensual, I agree, or that need.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
An IVY drip. Right, So that's what's happening there.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Now my mind is a little more free, so now
I can focus on what we've got left. We've got
Delphi left, well, if there are a million cases out there,
but the ones you and I have been talking about,
and we have the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson. I
don't know they've got so many searches going. They've searched
for specific areas that we know of. One is long
(04:57):
It in Bernieville, obviously the home in the woods surrounding
the home. One is his ranch, wherever that may be, and.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
One is the landfill.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I think those are the four starts is off the
top of my head, those are the four areas of
search and Sheryl. When I hear landfill search, I cringe,
you know when I go empty the trash, And yes,
I empty the trash. When I throw open the Dixie
dumpster as I call it, I have to home my
nose right, because there's all kinds of stuff I've thrown
(05:31):
in there that my mom is thrown in there. David
refuses to use the recycle band, so he throws food
in there. We actually doesn't refuse. He actually thinks he's
using it, but he puts everything in the wrong place. Okay,
I give him credit for even empty in the trash,
but he puts it in the wrong place. So when
you open it up, it smells to high have And
(05:53):
you do know we have a worm farm, right, No, yeah,
we have a worm farm. I'm not raising them to
use them in any way. We have them.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
To put in refuse, like leftover food.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Anything that either we don't eat, the dog doesn't eat,
the cat doesn't eat, the guinea pigs don't eat, my
mother doesn't eat.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Whatever's left goes to the worms.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, my grandmama in Rome, Georgia had a worm bed
right next to her favorite tree. That's what she did
every night after dinner. She went out there and fed
the worms.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
My grandparents both had that on both sides. This is
part of when of Lucy's sustainable merit badge projects.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
She built a.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Worm farm and that was like four years ago and
we still use it every single night.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Where wormy? And why am I talking about a worm bed?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Landfield?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Landfill? Thank you? Point is open?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
The trash, I like have to hold my breath has batsuits.
Have you ever had a dog out in a landfill search?
It's hell, it's hot. It's so hot tempts her up
to nearly one hundred degrees. They have on hazmat suits,
their faces are covered, they're breathing through an apparatus, and
they're looking for something as small as a digit.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, And you know Nancy is a crime scene investigator.
I can tell you a crime scene like this.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's deep and wide.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So you've got a couple of football fields you might
be working, but then you've got the depth.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
What do you think I mean that next door neighbor.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Wow, Well, you know you've got an eyewitness and an
ear witness out of him. So he saw them in
a physical altercation in the yard and then he heard
some screaming coming from the woods and then he sees
the truck leave and the truck come back without her.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Four hours later, the truck comes back.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
He did not see her in the truck leaving, so
he saw the husband, Brad some aged fifty three I believe,
leaving in his black pickup two hours later. And he
actually said he heard the garage door. That must have
(08:11):
been what alerted him to look out. He heard the
garage door, looked out and saw Simpson leaving. Two hours
later he saw Simpson return.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I tell you, Nancy, you know you've got the black box,
possibly in the vehicle. You've got his cell phone. Her
cell phone as her stops the next morning. And then
that's seven o'clock in the morning, and then the school
is calling saying, hey, mom's not here to.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Get the kids.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Can you come get them.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, here's the weird part. He took them to school.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Did he not notice she wasn't there at breakfast? Why
did he wait until three o'clock that afternoon or three
thirty to say.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, where's my wife?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I mean, if I don't see David Lynch in there
screwing around in the kitchen scrounging for food, he's the
family catfishially anything left over. If I don't see him
in the kitchen when I go in there to make
everybody's breakfast, something's really wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
He didn't notice that morning, she wasn't there to take
the children.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right that Possibly her car is still there, her purse
is there, her cell phone is there, her children are
there after he picks them up at three o'clock. He
didn't call the police till tarn. That's seven hours.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
You know what's so scary, Cheryl? And the first time
I ever heard this, I didn't believe it. I had
to read the article and then interview the doctor that
wrote the article. It was the doctor that wrote an
article in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And that ain't shyy right.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
The single worst time for a woman's safety is when
she's pregnant. The number one cause of death along the
pregnant women is homicide. That is a stat I could
not believe. Second most difficul time is when a woman
is trying to leave a troubled relationship. Two most dangerous
(10:07):
times in a woman's life. Suzanne Clark Simpson was trying
to leave. I listened to what her mother said. Her
mother says that she and Suzanne already had a plan
in place. She was going to come live with her mother,
and they were enrolling the little girl, I believe he's
(10:29):
five years old, in the elementary school near the mother's home.
It was already decided, so she had a plan, which
puts her in the category.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Of trying to leave.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
And that evening after they left that fancy ritzy private club,
the argyle.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You've seen inside that place. It looks like a mansion
slash museum.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Anyway, she was trying to leave because the neighbor said
she tried to walk away and he grabbed her and
would not let her leave.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The child says, you hit mommy in the face. Mommy
had a bruise on our elbow, and he took mommy's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Phone and let's talk about something else.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Pretty damning to me.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
His brother has come out and said he's not cooperating.
That's not how we were raised. We were raised to
protect each other and help each other. And they are
believing it. They are believing he had something to do
with it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
As we like to say down South, Cheryl, that's blood
right there, that is your blood. Your brother is speaking out.
Your own blood is speaking out against you. Uh uh,
nothing good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And you know there's about in my estimation, there's five
crime scenes. There's the house where they started fighting inside,
there's the yard where they continued the physical fight. Then
there's the woods where they heard screaming, and then the truck,
and then the disposal site. So I think law enforcement
once she has found and I firmly believe they will
(12:06):
find her.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I think yield a lot of physical evidence.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Well, the other day, believe it or not, I had
to disagree with Joe Scott Morgan, and he is one
of not the most, but one of the most. He
is one person I don't want to get an argument
with because he's usually throwing around autopsy terms. But he
believes He said that the reason the cops are searching
(12:33):
law enforcement necessarily cops. The reason Elie is searching the
landfill is because of DNA. I might, No, that's not
why they're searching. I guarantee you this jackass pulled to
Scott Peterson. I guarantee you that his truck was spotted
at the landfield. I bet you anything or or he
(12:56):
pinged at the landfield.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, something led them there, for sure, no question, But I.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Don't think it's DNA, and I hope you're listening, Joe
Scott Morgan. Every once in a while, you could be wrong,
just once in a while. That said, I think that
he left a trill. I think that after and of
course he's innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
He hasn't even been charged yet. Oh he's got a
caught of fed charge.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
They've got him dead in the water on a short
barreled rifle. It basically looks like a mixture between a saw.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Off shotgun and AK.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
It's a me looking black weapon, black matte weapon that's
kind of sawed off and looks sawt off.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And that is a crime.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
So the fans already have him on a gun charge,
and I believe that gun charge will get you ten
and a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Fine, that's ten years right there, baby. People are not
just cheaters in one area. If you're gonna cheat and
get an illegal weapon, you're gonna cheat and miss, you know,
treat your why, you're gonna have an affair, You're going
to be abusive in other ways.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So I'm just.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Telling you, once the Feds start looking, there's gonna be
other things that are going to be able to be
tacked on.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I think, oh, yeah, you know how.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
The Feds are mm hmm, Like right now, Seawan Combs
aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka did He aka Love.
The fed's investigation is ongoing, Cheryl. They're not going to
rest with what they've got. And as a matter of fact,
(14:38):
has been brought to my attention that the night before
he was arrested in New York, the Feds were, as
it is said liaising, I'm not sure that's the word,
they were meeting with the prosecutors and the Two Fox
Shakur murder investigation. Now, the Feds are not going to
go visit a local prosecutor leus.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
They want something.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Believe me, I've been on the short end of that
stick many a time. The Feds give you nothing when
they show up at your door of your office like
a vampire.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's over.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Just hold out your arm and let them suck your blood.
They will get everything out of you and give you nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
They didn't just go meet with the state prosecution investigators
for nothing, So something is going on in the two potcase.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I agree, And I tell people the Feds don't go fishing.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
They come with it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
In hand.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm telling you they've got you before they show up.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
I told you that as a FED I had a
whole room full of boxed documents to nail somebody, and
they were still waiting.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm like, what are we waiting on retirement? Why aren't
we going forward?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's just the way they are, yep. And that's what
I always liked about the state system and prosecuting violent crimes.
Somebody files a demand for.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Speedy trail, I'm like, Oh, I couldn't be happier. We'll
do this next week. Those tracking a jury.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
On Monday, get ready, let's do it. Yeah, And you
know you're more like a gunslinger. But that said, they
wouldn't be meeting with Tupac Shakur investigators if they weren't stealing.
Something is stealing. So I fully expect additional charges at
some point on Ditty.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They're going to connect everything that people have said before
in music lyrics and own interviews.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They're going to connect every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I do you think Eminem will be witness?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I do not, well, not on the stand, but I
think they've got to talk to him.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
They do have to talk to him because he obviously
knows something is, you know, illustrated in his lyrics. So
if he has anything that's probative and admissible, and yeah,
they will be talking to.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Him absolutely, I mean all of them.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
We will see.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We got lots of irons in the fire this week.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Honey. Well, Cheryl, I'm going to Delphi. Are you going
to Delphi?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I am. I'm leaving next week.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, I'll see there. I'll see you there.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You and me and Susan Hendrix will have a good
old time watching that evidence for it. You know, I
was a little disappointed when the judge disallowed the od
Oronism theory. Okay, hold on David's lak Okay, what did
you just say. I'm talking about the Delphi case. You know,
you know, he got his NBA at Wharton, but I
(17:41):
still like to explain things to him like he's in
the third grade.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And he totally ignores it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
The Delphi case is where the two cute little girls,
Abbey and Libby, were in the in the park. It's
kind of like a rural area on a trestle bridge,
and they were abducted and murdered. Okay, the case is
going forward, and the defense was going to be that
the defendant, Richard Allen, didn't do it. That a odonistic
(18:10):
cult did it? You know that worships thor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That they did it. And the judge ruled that out.
And I was very sad because I really wanted them.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
To let that be their defense. And you just see
that jury looking around.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
At each other.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Lenk did he just say odinism? I was really But
I'm worried about that.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
There is case law that when you deny the defense
their sole defense, that's reversible error, no matter how ridiculous
it might sound to the judge. So I think that
could actually be an appealable issue.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, i'd shaved.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I was disappointed about today the defense withdrew their motion
to let the jury go to the scene.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think that is so important.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Cheryl, you know you just wanted to follow the cherry
bus out there and go to the scene and see
what they were doing, try to easdrap use your long
long distance lens and find out and trying to read
some limps.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know, you me and Charlotte's some bulking loud so
they can hear our opinion.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Hearing your analysis of what really happened.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
So you were said about that, well, what about the
and I know what they're doing, but I really don't
think I think this also is an appealable issue. The
state wants to disallow some of the composites that were
drawn early on, and I don't think you. I don't
(19:39):
think under the constitution that that's going to be allowed.
I don't know how the judge ruled on it, but
uh uh no. If it comes out that the state
tried to suppress that, I just.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Think that's a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I have quoted you over and over in the last
two or three days.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
What's new, haerld.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I gave you credit and I said, let it in.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Let it all in.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
That's right, Let it all in, because in the end,
one way or another, it's coming in anyway, and if
you try to suppress it, you try to hide it,
not only will it come in, but then the other
side can truthfully say, and you tried to keep it
away from you?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Why why would you hide it?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
And you'll be sitting there on you crawl into a
little hall on the carpet in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well, we got lots coming up and I can't wait.
I will see you in Delphi, Sugar, see you in Delphi.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
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