In today’s CRU with Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum, Sheryl starts with a congratulations in order for her son, Huck McCollum, who has transitioned from his position as a public defender’s office investigator to a juvenile court intake officer. Nancy breaks down the latest developments in the Richard Allen trial, including the defense’s push for a new trial and the controversial claim that Ron Logan, a deceased individual, is the real culprit in the Delphi Murders. Nancy and Sheryl explain what’s to come in the Sean Diddy case, including the latest arson and kidnapping allegations, and the suspicious timing of Diddy’s sudden knee injury. In closing, they share what to pay attention to in the trial and what could happen if Diddy waves his right to remain silent.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:10) Sheryl starts off CRU with news about Huck McCollum’s new role
- (2:30) “He believes people deserve a second chance, and that’s exactly what juvenile justice is about.”
- (5:00) Richard Allen latest - defense attempt to secure a new trial
- (6:45) Ron Logan's alleged confession
- (10:30) Debunking defense claims
- (15:00) Diddy - The expanding legal case
- (16:00) The suspicious timing of Diddy’s knee injury
- (20:00) Will Diddy testify? - If so, what happens
- (21:00) The possibility of jury tampering in Diddy’s upcoming trial
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the crime round up, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Y'all better just get your spurs on, because I believe
that Miss Grace is going to come out swinging. Listen,
before we get deny cases, I do have to tell
you something I think you are going to be thrilled about.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Huck McCollum has got a new job.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He is no longer an investigator with the Public Defender's Office.
He is now an intake officer at the County for
Juvenile Court in the Cada Circuit. So I am so
happy he is now on the right side.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Praise of the Lord. It has taken all of my
threat not to discuss with him how wrong his job
was for him. Thank you, Thank you Heaven for helping
him what he'd be doing in juvenile intake. That's a
great place to start, do you do you remember, Cheryl,
when I first toured it with the District Attorney's office,
(01:07):
and as you know, the elected DA, Lewis Slayton, was
like a grandfather to me and he longest starving DA
in the country at that time, about thirty seven years,
and he would start everybody first, we'd go through indictments
where you would, you know, learn to read files, read
(01:30):
police reports, read supplementals, and figure out what should the
person be charged with legally? Then we would what we
do do We do grand jury where you know, there's
not a defense attorney and uh there's no cross exam,
but the grand journals would ask a lot of questions.
Can to be ready for that? Then we go to Jeevenile.
(01:50):
That's what I was working up to, where you know,
you see a lot of teams and younger that can
be helped. They can be help, they don't have to
have a life of crime. And there's so many others
that for various reasons, this is just their first pit stop.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I think that's what's going to be so great.
He'll be doing the intake, so he will have the
case from start to finish.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He'll get to know these young people.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He's going to be the one talking directly to the
judge to say they deserve a second chance, or we
need to monitor their behavior, you know, put them in
different programs to help them so that it's not a
life of crime. And what is so perfect Huck is
a second chance person. He just believes that people need,
you know, another leg up, another help, you know, when necessary.
(02:39):
And I think his experience with the public defender is
going to help him because you know, he's been lied
to a lot, he's been bamboozled, so that was great
training for this job. So I think again one of
his gifts and I know i'm his mama, but this
is just the truth. Huck can take a ton of
information and funnel quickly and get to the root of
(03:02):
the issue.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So I think it's a Taylor made job.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
This is a thing. You say, he's a second chance person,
and I think I know where he gets that from
his mom and dad. But that's the place for it, Cheryl,
because I will never forget. And I'm thinking of one
particular guy named Christopher Bailla. He got involved, well, he
(03:27):
started off in his juvenile and then he ended up
being involved in a triple homeless side that I investigated
and prosecuted. And Cheryl, I remember him as a juvenile.
When I saw him come into court on that triple homicide,
which was years later, he was pacing back and forth.
(03:48):
The jury wasn't in yet. He was pacing back and
forth and back and forth and back and forth like
a tiger, just in a cage. And this was in
the courtroom and I remember that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I didn't understand what I was saying, but I could
see something bad had happened to him. And by the way,
he ended up being a witness in the triple homicide.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And after that, after his third or fourth chance, he
got out and committed an armed robbery. So you know,
just you have to take a chance right or wrong
and believe good. But your baby is gonna see a
lot in juvenile.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, yes, you know. And I'm just proud of him.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And he's ready, and he's got so much support, and
he's had so much training. I mean, he's watched you
from day one, so he's ready. So I'm happy. Let's
get out there and help some folks. But let's talk
about defense attorneys for a little bit longer. Let's talk
about Richard Allen.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh, dear Lord and heaven. I was having a perfectly
good morning, and then you bring up Allan. You know,
they're trying to get the case thrown out and or
a new trial. Okay, they always want the case reverse
and a lieu of that, a new trial. And you
and I discussed this for a solid hour the other day.
You want to lay out the grounds for a new trial,
(05:18):
that they're claiming there's four of them.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, they're wanting a new trial based on quote new evidence,
and nothing that they have talked about is new.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
The main thing that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I just cannot even hardly contain just how disgusted I
am is that they're saying ron Logan did it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
They're going to blame it now on the dead guy.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought that up there.
Fourth thing and they are ron Logan's confession, Jill alleged,
Jill house confession, and inmates city confessed. Okay, who's probably
trying to get a sweet deal like an order sentence modification.
But there's Ron Logan. There is the timing of the
(06:04):
white van going by as it affects how that correlates
to the GIRDL cell phones cutting off and saying that
that timing was impossible. Then there are two other climbs
off the top of my head, let's see what were they.
One it's about the transference, the transferral of Allen to
(06:31):
a different facility within DC to corporate corrections. They want
that cost Why why do you think, why does it
matter where he was housed, because that is where he
gave all those confessions. So if they can find a
back door way to get those confessed sixty one confessions suppressed,
and they'll do it. And there's one more. Let's see
(06:52):
what is the fourth one, Sheryl. Four reasons he but
for let me and dres ron Logan. You said, blame
the dead guy. You're so right, Cheryl, because there's plenty
of other people that they could have blamed. Who every
single person that the cops investigated is a potential scapegoat. Right.
You've got the one guy that was catfishing girls online
(07:16):
and he remember he used a body shot of a
young police recruit I think it was. He lives in
Canada or something. He had nothing to do with his basement.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
This guy had stolen the hot dude's picture and was
trying to cap this little girls and get naked photos
and stuff. So that would have been a perfect scapegoat,
except he's live.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He can't come into court and say what and the
jury would know, Okay, you're lying. There were a couple
of others that could have tried to blame. But who's
the perfect choice the dead guy.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Of course, here's what's so acid on. They had a troll.
They could have brought him up. They could have brought
up incline, but they don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But what do they do outside, What do they do
for the court of public opinion?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They tried to blame Libby's sister.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, you're going to get the internet trolls crazy again, Rita,
we know that happened. You and I saw it. I
played it, and I suffered the consequences for months on
end online telling me how horrible I was. But they're
the ones that said it. They said tried to blame
the victims, the dead little girl, victims sister for the murder.
(08:36):
I nearly did a backflip. That happened. I don't care
what anybody says. If the Angel Gabriel no offense, Gabriel,
don't get mad. This is just a comparison. If the
Angel Gabriel came down and said, Nancy, that didn't happen,
I would have to say, Gabriel, you're wrong, okay, because
it happened. I don't care what some internet troll says. Yeah,
(09:00):
that wasn't attack in the court of public opinion, just
like Logan is. You know, I've been thinking a lot
about Logan because he tried to get an alibi for
the time of the murders, before it was even discovered
the girls had been murdered, they were just missing at
that time. The incident occurred on his property, and he
(09:20):
allegedly gave this confession. Now, who else heard any such
confession beside an inmate, do you know? Okay? And there
is the bullet, the bullet found between the girl's bodies
that directly relates back to Richard Allen's gun. Also, he
(09:43):
places himself at the scene wearing the same outfit as
the parent. And there's so much.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
More when we are looking at what the defense has
done throughout, whether it's the udonism, the leaked photographs say
of the hair didn't match mister Allen, that he's delusional, Nancy,
I guarantee you he is still confessing today.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know, after sixty one confessions to anybody that will listen,
why would he stop? Now?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's right, he can't. He can't help us out.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know, aside from his confessions. Though, let's just pretend, okay,
which is not true. Let's just pretend he was housed illegally,
that he should not have been transformed to that facility.
That is not a grounds to suppress a statement, any statement,
much less a confession, that's not gonna work. You know,
I respect him for trying, but that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
All in it new evidence when there's nothing new, it's
not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, here's another thing under the law. When you try
to get a case reversed based on quote newly discovered evidence,
it actually has to be new. So that defeats the
claim on raw logan. Because they knew that at the time,
they chose for that not to be the defense. They
(11:06):
wanted to go with Odinism instead. That for worshipers, the
Norse god worshippers, you know, the ones over in Iceland,
that they did it, and they were making some connection
between oldness and I guess Area Nation or white supremacists,
somebody for the jury to really hate, because it's hard
(11:27):
to you know, get your mind around some oldinists who
were out lighting candles in the woods and worshiping Norse
gods that don't exist. It's hard to imagine them getting
angry enough to murder two little girls. When you start
thinking about hate groups, they would be more likely to
(11:47):
commit a murder. So they've got to approve. Not only
was it some crazy oldness ritual which a lot of
people would be in on and nobody talked about it.
Everybody stay quiet or was it hate group that have
to make that connection improve all of that. But that's
what they went with, and of course the judge disallowed it.
I don't know why that an't do with Ron Logan
(12:09):
at the time. Of course, it's all a lie, Cheryl.
I mean, we're just building a house of cards here.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
All that's life.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But one made more sense. At least the FBI focused
on mister Logan. They actually served a warrant his phone
pinged they were on his property. That would have been
much easier for people to go. Well, it could be.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I wonder, Cheryl, why didn't they go with it. Do
you think the inmate fall apart when he couldn't get
a sweetheart deal on whatever he was in jail for.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I think the start was when he couldn't pass
a polygraph.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, I would say that's the start. But I mean
even I think even a line inmate might be better
than optimism. But again, you know, we're chasing our tails, right,
because none of this is true. Once we capture and
say we're not going to have anything anyway, it's a lie,
that's right. And the law is that if you're trying
to get a reversal based on nearly discovered in evidence
(13:02):
or a new trial, it must truly be nearly discovered.
And we all know that Logan was investigated at the
time and all the information was handed over to the defense.
That ain't working.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Now we've got the phone, the phone issue where the expert,
the defense expert was stating that someone plugged the girl's
cell phone into a jack after the state says.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
She's dead, which means the state's timeline is off, which
means it could not have been richer Allen. That's where
they're going with that. The state bought on an expert
to counter the claim and said, oh yeah, if you
get water or dirt in your cell phone, you know
that little spot where you put the jack, If it
(13:51):
gets contaminated with water or dirt, then that can give
the appearance of it being plugged into something. And the
defense said, oh, really, where to get that? He said,
google it? And he's like, you mean, after seven and
a half years, all you guys at Google service And
he's like, yeah, well again they're broking up the wrong tree.
There because probably everybody on the jury, including me, I
(14:12):
want to know something on Google it right, So they're like, hey,
there's something wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
At the scene number one, there's no jack. Number two,
the phone is under abby. There's no way the killer
Richard Allen took the phone, plugged it into some jack,
you know, pulled the jack back out, and placed the
phone under abbey. That makes no sense. The jury didn't
(14:39):
buy it. Nobody buying it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I guess what they were trying to argue is that
somebody okay, that the girls were not killed at that
time or in that place possibly all, but the saturated
earth shows, you know, it's saturated with blood, that that
is the location of the murder. So I guess what
there's trying to argue is it didn't happen here, and
(15:02):
it didn't happen then, so it couldn't have been Riturn
Allen because when it did happen was outside his his
he has an alibi for the time it quote really happened.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Nope, that's it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Can we just get to Dennity real quick, please.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I was gonna say, speaking of cons and swindles and liars,
let's talk about Diddy for a minute.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I mean, really have to leave the jail in the
cover of darkness because his knee hurts. Okay, people have
heart attacts and cancer treatments behind ball, you know, cancer
illness behind bars, and they don't get whisked out in
the middle of the night. I had a feel day
talking about that the other day.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And this is a knee injury twenty years in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, So all that time he was out, all that
money he's got, he didn't fix that knee.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, I think the knee pain came on about the
time that superseded superseding indictment came down.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Don't you hate that hat? Don't you hate that? With that? Corresponds, Yeah,
that was quite the co inky thing.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So he gets a superseding indictment. Why the lawyers talk
like that. They amended the indictment. They added some victims'
names to it, and they dated his criminal conspiracy ie
six trafficking back to twenty years. Cheryl, that's got to hurt.
I guess his knee did, or makes my toothirt just
talking about it, And.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Didn't they add arson and other things?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
They added arson. I believe he is accused of setting
a car on fire when somebody wouldn't do what they
wanted him to do, and kidnapp in the middle of
all this. You know, kidnap is not that hard to prove, Cheryl.
People imagine it is an elaborate scheme where the person
(16:47):
has to be hidden away in a heidi full for
weeks on end and there's a ransom, blah blah. That's
not what it is. Kidnapp requires the non consensual moving
of someone. Moving part of the claim is called asportation,
kind of like Harry Potter, remember when he would get
(17:09):
transported to another place across the world. That's what it is.
When you move somebody and guess what asportation requires no
specific distance, You can force somebody two inches improve asportation
and kidnapping. So every time he would force somebody back
(17:31):
into a freaknik party, that could be under the law
technically a kidnapped. I think the kidnaps they're referring to
in the superseding indictment are much more severe than two inches.
But you know, that's where of the term false imprisonment
comes from. For instance, for in that video allegedly forcing
(17:51):
Cassiev interior beating her dragging her back into a free cough.
That would be kidnapping and false imprisonment. So it's got
to be much more serious than the two intes to
which I'm referring, and I'm sure that it is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know, the folks in the Department of Corrections, they've
got to be real careful because even if they think
he's faking, they have to make sure he has you know,
medical assistant and somebody look at him. It's not just oh, well,
I'm sure this is bogus. They can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I guarantee you everybody in MDC Metropolitan Attention Center this
morning they got a knee ache. Why did he not them?
Why does he get to leave the general and go
bunk up at the hospital for a day or night
when they cannot really Cheryl, what what are you saying
(18:46):
that somehow he's denied his constitutional right because he couldn't
get an mri I in time on a bogus claim
about his knee.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Saying guards, when somebody makes a medical outcry, they cannot
ignore it. So whether they won't do say well so
and Zoe's claiming they got chest pains, they can't.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Just go ah, he's a liar, he's a god artist.
They have to make sure they have medical assistants. They
just do.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You're right, I'm not arguing that inmates don't be medical
assistance and penal assistance. What I am saying is it's
all been yes. That's what I'm saying. He gets a
superseding indictment which does not add additional charges, but it
does name additional elected victims, and it does date the
(19:37):
criminal activity sex traffying back several years earlier. That's what
it does. So that superseding indictment comes down in rot row.
I Kinika Bob Hurtz. That's what I call the nie
that led them when they were a little mink nee orts.
It suddenly starts hurting as soon as added doctors hand down. Okay,
that's been yes. But you know what that is going
(19:58):
to have no bearing on this tr which right now
except for May, will it happen? It Isn't it hard
to believe they're gonna have it together to try that
case in May. What I really want to know is
will do he testify? Because he is the type that
will insist that he gets testify, which of course will
(20:19):
be a grave mistake. But when you have an uncontrollable client.
When Sean comes, they might not be able. Come on,
fat boy, they may not be able to control him.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's right. And you know, any.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Judge worth his or her soul puts the defendant on
the record under oath and says, you have the right
to speak at your trial, to cross examine witnesses brought
against you, and you have the right to remain silent.
Are you exercising your right to remain silent? Or do
you want to testify? I get to see Sean come
and jumping up to saying he wanted to testify. I mean,
(20:56):
just despite all of his lawyers that are trying their
best to get him off.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
The hook, and he may believe that he can convince
one juror.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
May are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Of course he does.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yes, you know another thing I.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Mean to look out for. I'd really be watching out
for Jerry tampering. He's got the money, he's got the
wherewithal to get to one juror, and.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He's still got some sidekicks.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I'm worried about that. I'm just worried about so
many things. This morning.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I got you and listen.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I hate to cut this short, but I get to
go help out with a mock crime saying a mock.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Crimes saying, why don't you save yourself in a real fun.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I'm helping the students at Atlanta Technical College, and let
me tell you, they are so fired up to practice
for this competition.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They are awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If they're helping any If you're all about helping people,
can get me on crime stories. You can get right
out there in the field.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I'm about that girl. Send me.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You need to send me to Kentucky. That's where I
want to go with you, the sheriff that got the judge?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Why would I see? Do you?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I want to go myself.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's what I'm saying. I want to go with you.
That would be that's going to be a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What do you believe and of course the state never
has to prove a motive, but what do you believe
the motive is going to be in that?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I believe you're going to see a layered motive.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think there's some mental health issues on top of
some inappropriate behavior, on top of a little bit of paranoia.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And here's what it came down to to me. It
is how the sheriff's daughter answered that phone. So just
stay with me a second. If she hit the phone like, judge,
you know, can I help you think? Okay? Versus if
she had said, well, hey baby.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Hey guys, put your pantson.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's right because think about when the call was made.
The call was made while she was still at school.
She took that call.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think it's all going to be tangled up with
the daughter. Not that I'm impuning any wrong dietting on
the daughter. I think that somehow the perp thinks the
daughter is mixed up and not in a good way
with the judge. Is that true. I don't know, but
he may have thought that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So we'll see where we land. Absolutely, Cheryl, Okay, I'm
not gonna let.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You tell me you're leaving. I'm leaving Gloria, and I've
got fat boy with me. We're taking off. So there.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Take God, have a good weekend, Sugar
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Bye bye, Beddy,
Welcome to the crime round up, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Y'all better just get your spurs on, because I believe
that Miss Grace is going to come out swinging. Listen,
before we get deny cases, I do have to tell
you something I think you are going to be thrilled about.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Huck McCollum has got a new job.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He is no longer an investigator with the Public Defender's Office.
He is now an intake officer at the County for
Juvenile Court in the Cada Circuit. So I am so
happy he is now on the right side.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Praise of the Lord. It has taken all of my
threat not to discuss with him how wrong his job
was for him. Thank you, Thank you Heaven for helping
him what he'd be doing in juvenile intake. That's a
great place to start, do you do you remember, Cheryl,
when I first toured it with the District Attorney's office,
(01:07):
and as you know, the elected DA, Lewis Slayton, was
like a grandfather to me and he longest starving DA
in the country at that time, about thirty seven years,
and he would start everybody first, we'd go through indictments
where you would, you know, learn to read files, read
(01:30):
police reports, read supplementals, and figure out what should the
person be charged with legally? Then we would what we
do do We do grand jury where you know, there's
not a defense attorney and uh there's no cross exam,
but the grand journals would ask a lot of questions.
Can to be ready for that? Then we go to Jeevenile.
(01:50):
That's what I was working up to, where you know,
you see a lot of teams and younger that can
be helped. They can be help, they don't have to
have a life of crime. And there's so many others
that for various reasons, this is just their first pit stop.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I think that's what's going to be so great.
He'll be doing the intake, so he will have the
case from start to finish.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He'll get to know these young people.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He's going to be the one talking directly to the
judge to say they deserve a second chance, or we
need to monitor their behavior, you know, put them in
different programs to help them so that it's not a
life of crime. And what is so perfect Huck is
a second chance person. He just believes that people need,
you know, another leg up, another help, you know, when necessary.
(02:39):
And I think his experience with the public defender is
going to help him because you know, he's been lied
to a lot, he's been bamboozled, so that was great
training for this job. So I think again one of
his gifts and I know i'm his mama, but this
is just the truth. Huck can take a ton of
information and funnel quickly and get to the root of
(03:02):
the issue.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So I think it's a Taylor made job.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
This is a thing. You say, he's a second chance person,
and I think I know where he gets that from
his mom and dad. But that's the place for it, Cheryl,
because I will never forget. And I'm thinking of one
particular guy named Christopher Bailla. He got involved, well, he
(03:27):
started off in his juvenile and then he ended up
being involved in a triple homeless side that I investigated
and prosecuted. And Cheryl, I remember him as a juvenile.
When I saw him come into court on that triple homicide,
which was years later, he was pacing back and forth.
(03:48):
The jury wasn't in yet. He was pacing back and
forth and back and forth and back and forth like
a tiger, just in a cage. And this was in
the courtroom and I remember that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I didn't understand what I was saying, but I could
see something bad had happened to him. And by the way,
he ended up being a witness in the triple homicide.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And after that, after his third or fourth chance, he
got out and committed an armed robbery. So you know,
just you have to take a chance right or wrong
and believe good. But your baby is gonna see a
lot in juvenile.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, yes, you know. And I'm just proud of him.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And he's ready, and he's got so much support, and
he's had so much training. I mean, he's watched you
from day one, so he's ready. So I'm happy. Let's
get out there and help some folks. But let's talk
about defense attorneys for a little bit longer. Let's talk
about Richard Allen.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh, dear Lord and heaven. I was having a perfectly
good morning, and then you bring up Allan. You know,
they're trying to get the case thrown out and or
a new trial. Okay, they always want the case reverse
and a lieu of that, a new trial. And you
and I discussed this for a solid hour the other day.
You want to lay out the grounds for a new trial,
(05:18):
that they're claiming there's four of them.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, they're wanting a new trial based on quote new evidence,
and nothing that they have talked about is new.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
The main thing that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I just cannot even hardly contain just how disgusted I
am is that they're saying ron Logan did it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
They're going to blame it now on the dead guy.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought that up there.
Fourth thing and they are ron Logan's confession, Jill alleged,
Jill house confession, and inmates city confessed. Okay, who's probably
trying to get a sweet deal like an order sentence modification.
But there's Ron Logan. There is the timing of the
(06:04):
white van going by as it affects how that correlates
to the GIRDL cell phones cutting off and saying that
that timing was impossible. Then there are two other climbs
off the top of my head, let's see what were they.
One it's about the transference, the transferral of Allen to
(06:31):
a different facility within DC to corporate corrections. They want
that cost Why why do you think, why does it
matter where he was housed, because that is where he
gave all those confessions. So if they can find a
back door way to get those confessed sixty one confessions suppressed,
and they'll do it. And there's one more. Let's see
(06:52):
what is the fourth one, Sheryl. Four reasons he but
for let me and dres ron Logan. You said, blame
the dead guy. You're so right, Cheryl, because there's plenty
of other people that they could have blamed. Who every
single person that the cops investigated is a potential scapegoat. Right.
You've got the one guy that was catfishing girls online
(07:16):
and he remember he used a body shot of a
young police recruit I think it was. He lives in
Canada or something. He had nothing to do with his basement.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
This guy had stolen the hot dude's picture and was
trying to cap this little girls and get naked photos
and stuff. So that would have been a perfect scapegoat,
except he's live.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He can't come into court and say what and the
jury would know, Okay, you're lying. There were a couple
of others that could have tried to blame. But who's
the perfect choice the dead guy.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Of course, here's what's so acid on. They had a troll.
They could have brought him up. They could have brought
up incline, but they don't do that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But what do they do outside, What do they do
for the court of public opinion?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They tried to blame Libby's sister.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, you're going to get the internet trolls crazy again, Rita,
we know that happened. You and I saw it. I
played it, and I suffered the consequences for months on
end online telling me how horrible I was. But they're
the ones that said it. They said tried to blame
the victims, the dead little girl, victims sister for the murder.
(08:36):
I nearly did a backflip. That happened. I don't care
what anybody says. If the Angel Gabriel no offense, Gabriel,
don't get mad. This is just a comparison. If the
Angel Gabriel came down and said, Nancy, that didn't happen,
I would have to say, Gabriel, you're wrong, okay, because
it happened. I don't care what some internet troll says. Yeah,
(09:00):
that wasn't attack in the court of public opinion, just
like Logan is. You know, I've been thinking a lot
about Logan because he tried to get an alibi for
the time of the murders, before it was even discovered
the girls had been murdered, they were just missing at
that time. The incident occurred on his property, and he
(09:20):
allegedly gave this confession. Now, who else heard any such
confession beside an inmate, do you know? Okay? And there
is the bullet, the bullet found between the girl's bodies
that directly relates back to Richard Allen's gun. Also, he
(09:43):
places himself at the scene wearing the same outfit as
the parent. And there's so much.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
More when we are looking at what the defense has
done throughout, whether it's the udonism, the leaked photographs say
of the hair didn't match mister Allen, that he's delusional, Nancy,
I guarantee you he is still confessing today.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know, after sixty one confessions to anybody that will listen,
why would he stop? Now?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's right, he can't. He can't help us out.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know, aside from his confessions. Though, let's just pretend, okay,
which is not true. Let's just pretend he was housed illegally,
that he should not have been transformed to that facility.
That is not a grounds to suppress a statement, any statement,
much less a confession, that's not gonna work. You know,
I respect him for trying, but that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
All in it new evidence when there's nothing new, it's
not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, here's another thing under the law. When you try
to get a case reversed based on quote newly discovered evidence,
it actually has to be new. So that defeats the
claim on raw logan. Because they knew that at the time,
they chose for that not to be the defense. They
(11:06):
wanted to go with Odinism instead. That for worshipers, the
Norse god worshippers, you know, the ones over in Iceland,
that they did it, and they were making some connection
between oldness and I guess Area Nation or white supremacists,
somebody for the jury to really hate, because it's hard
(11:27):
to you know, get your mind around some oldinists who
were out lighting candles in the woods and worshiping Norse
gods that don't exist. It's hard to imagine them getting
angry enough to murder two little girls. When you start
thinking about hate groups, they would be more likely to
(11:47):
commit a murder. So they've got to approve. Not only
was it some crazy oldness ritual which a lot of
people would be in on and nobody talked about it.
Everybody stay quiet or was it hate group that have
to make that connection improve all of that. But that's
what they went with, and of course the judge disallowed it.
I don't know why that an't do with Ron Logan
(12:09):
at the time. Of course, it's all a lie, Cheryl.
I mean, we're just building a house of cards here.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
All that's life.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
But one made more sense. At least the FBI focused
on mister Logan. They actually served a warrant his phone
pinged they were on his property. That would have been
much easier for people to go. Well, it could be.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I wonder, Cheryl, why didn't they go with it. Do
you think the inmate fall apart when he couldn't get
a sweetheart deal on whatever he was in jail for.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I think the start was when he couldn't pass
a polygraph.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, I would say that's the start. But I mean
even I think even a line inmate might be better
than optimism. But again, you know, we're chasing our tails, right,
because none of this is true. Once we capture and
say we're not going to have anything anyway, it's a lie,
that's right. And the law is that if you're trying
to get a reversal based on nearly discovered in evidence
(13:02):
or a new trial, it must truly be nearly discovered.
And we all know that Logan was investigated at the
time and all the information was handed over to the defense.
That ain't working.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Now we've got the phone, the phone issue where the expert,
the defense expert was stating that someone plugged the girl's
cell phone into a jack after the state says.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
She's dead, which means the state's timeline is off, which
means it could not have been richer Allen. That's where
they're going with that. The state bought on an expert
to counter the claim and said, oh yeah, if you
get water or dirt in your cell phone, you know
that little spot where you put the jack, If it
(13:51):
gets contaminated with water or dirt, then that can give
the appearance of it being plugged into something. And the
defense said, oh, really, where to get that? He said,
google it? And he's like, you mean, after seven and
a half years, all you guys at Google service And
he's like, yeah, well again they're broking up the wrong tree.
There because probably everybody on the jury, including me, I
(14:12):
want to know something on Google it right, So they're like, hey,
there's something wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
At the scene number one, there's no jack. Number two,
the phone is under abby. There's no way the killer
Richard Allen took the phone, plugged it into some jack,
you know, pulled the jack back out, and placed the
phone under abbey. That makes no sense. The jury didn't
(14:39):
buy it. Nobody buying it.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I guess what they were trying to argue is that
somebody okay, that the girls were not killed at that
time or in that place possibly all, but the saturated
earth shows, you know, it's saturated with blood, that that
is the location of the murder. So I guess what
there's trying to argue is it didn't happen here, and
(15:02):
it didn't happen then, so it couldn't have been Riturn
Allen because when it did happen was outside his his
he has an alibi for the time it quote really happened.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Nope, that's it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Can we just get to Dennity real quick, please.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I was gonna say, speaking of cons and swindles and liars,
let's talk about Diddy for a minute.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I mean, really have to leave the jail in the
cover of darkness because his knee hurts. Okay, people have
heart attacts and cancer treatments behind ball, you know, cancer
illness behind bars, and they don't get whisked out in
the middle of the night. I had a feel day
talking about that the other day.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And this is a knee injury twenty years in the past.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, So all that time he was out, all that
money he's got, he didn't fix that knee.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, I think the knee pain came on about the
time that superseded superseding indictment came down.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Don't you hate that hat? Don't you hate that? With that? Corresponds, Yeah,
that was quite the co inky thing.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So he gets a superseding indictment. Why the lawyers talk
like that. They amended the indictment. They added some victims'
names to it, and they dated his criminal conspiracy ie
six trafficking back to twenty years. Cheryl, that's got to hurt.
I guess his knee did, or makes my toothirt just
talking about it, And.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Didn't they add arson and other things?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
They added arson. I believe he is accused of setting
a car on fire when somebody wouldn't do what they
wanted him to do, and kidnapp in the middle of
all this. You know, kidnap is not that hard to prove, Cheryl.
People imagine it is an elaborate scheme where the person
(16:47):
has to be hidden away in a heidi full for
weeks on end and there's a ransom, blah blah. That's
not what it is. Kidnapp requires the non consensual moving
of someone. Moving part of the claim is called asportation,
kind of like Harry Potter, remember when he would get
(17:09):
transported to another place across the world. That's what it is.
When you move somebody and guess what asportation requires no
specific distance, You can force somebody two inches improve asportation
and kidnapping. So every time he would force somebody back
(17:31):
into a freaknik party, that could be under the law
technically a kidnapped. I think the kidnaps they're referring to
in the superseding indictment are much more severe than two inches.
But you know, that's where of the term false imprisonment
comes from. For instance, for in that video allegedly forcing
(17:51):
Cassiev interior beating her dragging her back into a free cough.
That would be kidnapping and false imprisonment. So it's got
to be much more serious than the two intes to
which I'm referring, and I'm sure that it is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know, the folks in the Department of Corrections, they've
got to be real careful because even if they think
he's faking, they have to make sure he has you know,
medical assistant and somebody look at him. It's not just oh, well,
I'm sure this is bogus. They can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I guarantee you everybody in MDC Metropolitan Attention Center this
morning they got a knee ache. Why did he not them?
Why does he get to leave the general and go
bunk up at the hospital for a day or night
when they cannot really Cheryl, what what are you saying
(18:46):
that somehow he's denied his constitutional right because he couldn't
get an mri I in time on a bogus claim
about his knee.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Saying guards, when somebody makes a medical outcry, they cannot
ignore it. So whether they won't do say well so
and Zoe's claiming they got chest pains, they can't.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Just go ah, he's a liar, he's a god artist.
They have to make sure they have medical assistants. They
just do.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You're right, I'm not arguing that inmates don't be medical
assistance and penal assistance. What I am saying is it's
all been yes. That's what I'm saying. He gets a
superseding indictment which does not add additional charges, but it
does name additional elected victims, and it does date the
(19:37):
criminal activity sex traffying back several years earlier. That's what
it does. So that superseding indictment comes down in rot row.
I Kinika Bob Hurtz. That's what I call the nie
that led them when they were a little mink nee orts.
It suddenly starts hurting as soon as added doctors hand down. Okay,
that's been yes. But you know what that is going
(19:58):
to have no bearing on this tr which right now
except for May, will it happen? It Isn't it hard
to believe they're gonna have it together to try that
case in May. What I really want to know is
will do he testify? Because he is the type that
will insist that he gets testify, which of course will
(20:19):
be a grave mistake. But when you have an uncontrollable client.
When Sean comes, they might not be able. Come on,
fat boy, they may not be able to control him.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's right. And you know, any.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Judge worth his or her soul puts the defendant on
the record under oath and says, you have the right
to speak at your trial, to cross examine witnesses brought
against you, and you have the right to remain silent.
Are you exercising your right to remain silent? Or do
you want to testify? I get to see Sean come
and jumping up to saying he wanted to testify. I mean,
(20:56):
just despite all of his lawyers that are trying their
best to get him off.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
The hook, and he may believe that he can convince
one juror.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
May are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Of course he does.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yes, you know another thing I.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Mean to look out for. I'd really be watching out
for Jerry tampering. He's got the money, he's got the
wherewithal to get to one juror, and.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He's still got some sidekicks.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So I'm worried about that. I'm just worried about so
many things. This morning.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I got you and listen.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I hate to cut this short, but I get to
go help out with a mock crime saying a mock.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Crimes saying, why don't you save yourself in a real fun.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I'm helping the students at Atlanta Technical College, and let
me tell you, they are so fired up to practice
for this competition.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They are awesome.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If they're helping any If you're all about helping people,
can get me on crime stories. You can get right
out there in the field.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I'm about that girl. Send me.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You need to send me to Kentucky. That's where I
want to go with you, the sheriff that got the judge?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Why would I see? Do you?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I want to go myself.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's what I'm saying. I want to go with you.
That would be that's going to be a good one.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
What do you believe and of course the state never
has to prove a motive, but what do you believe
the motive is going to be in that?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I believe you're going to see a layered motive.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think there's some mental health issues on top of
some inappropriate behavior, on top of a little bit of paranoia.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And here's what it came down to to me. It
is how the sheriff's daughter answered that phone. So just
stay with me a second. If she hit the phone like, judge,
you know, can I help you think? Okay? Versus if
she had said, well, hey baby.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Hey guys, put your pantson.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's right because think about when the call was made.
The call was made while she was still at school.
She took that call.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think it's all going to be tangled up with
the daughter. Not that I'm impuning any wrong dietting on
the daughter. I think that somehow the perp thinks the
daughter is mixed up and not in a good way
with the judge. Is that true. I don't know, but
he may have thought that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So we'll see where we land. Absolutely, Cheryl, Okay, I'm
not gonna let.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You tell me you're leaving. I'm leaving Gloria, and I've
got fat boy with me. We're taking off. So there.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Take God, have a good weekend, Sugar
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Bye bye, Beddy,
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