On this episode of "Zone 7," Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum discuss the latest developments in the Rex Heuermann and Lori Vallow cases.
Sheryl checks in live from the Hamptons, describing the quiet tension in a neighborhood trying to move on. She talks about Rex Heuermann’s house, now partially hidden as the family packs up and prepares to leave. Nancy and Sheryl question what this move means—whether it’s the first step toward tearing the house down—and why that could pose a problem for the trial.
They stress the importance of jurors seeing the space where the crimes occurred to fully understand the case.
Nancy then shifts to the latest on Lori Vallow. Representing herself, Lori faces charges for the murders of her children and former husband.
Nancy and Sheryl walk through the case and explain how Lori’s unusual behavior and beliefs played a role in the crimes.
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LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) Panel: A Zone 7 Discussion
LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) Full Panel 2
To Execute or Not | The Financial, Moral, and Emotional Weight of the Death Penalty with Kirk Nurmi
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (1:00) Rex Heuermann’s case latest
- (7:00) Why preserving evidence matters
- (10:00) Sheryl describes the signs in the neighborhood of Rex Heuermann
- (11:30) Lori Vallow's trial and family dynamics
- (13:45) ”A man that represents himself has the fool for her client, and that is for sure.”
- (17:00) The Chad Daybell connection
- (20:00) Sex appeal in the courtroom - debating the jury’s bias
- (25:00) Final thoughts and wrap up
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to a historic crime round up in the Hamptons.
Good morning, Sugar.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, good morning. Let me just clarify you are recording
live from the Billy Jewel in the Hamptons. I'm sorry,
the hampton is too rich for my blood. I'm a
working girl. I can't afford the Hamptons. But you go
right ahead, Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'd give anything if you're sitting right here. This hotel
looks like a movie set. It just doesn't even look real.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I went there a few times, well, actually several times,
for various events, like charity events, you know when all
the rich people get together and they'll drink really expensive
wine and champage and have little bitty, extremely tiny reorderves.
I storved, okay, and then they raised money for very
good causes. So I would drive out there for various
(01:02):
churity functions. And I'm telling you, the houses were like
Adam magazines.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Absolutely. I mean I have just had the best time
just driving around.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I definitely felt like a dog upstairs. I knew
I was not supposed to be, and I was just
walking around looking you. Of course, by the time I
jumped on their beds and trying on all their clothes.
I was ready to go home.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Loved it. That is priceless.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So I heard her, Remember that you were skulking around
rex Human's place.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was so yesterday got to drive by there, Nancy.
I've fixed you pictures. But he has put lattice up
all in the front, blocking the porch in the front
door so they can privately or more privately move out.
They've got one of those pods out front where you
can store items. They've got some tarps up, some umbrellas up,
(01:57):
so they're trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, well, I'm not interested in it and seeing anything now,
because now that it has been combed over with a
fine tooth comb and everything has been seized for evidence,
they can cover it up all they want to, because
I don't want to look at it anymore. All I
want to look at is the evidence, and I want
something to happen in his case.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I e.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He to go on trial. But I do have one
concern about people up and moving out, and that is
that's step one to step two, which is a demolition,
and I don't want that to happen to hereman's house,
even though it is a house of horrors, because that
is what happened out in Idaho. And I've just got
(02:45):
a feeling that once you are or more, they're gonna
want to go see the scene, and it will be
a long trip from Boise. I get it, but I
don't know. I just I just don't like the idea
of destroying evidence until everything is done, all the way
till the appeal is over.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Nancy, you more than anybody knows the importance of walking
a scene to understand it. If you don't go to
that house, you don't realize how close the other houses
are on each side, how close that house is to
the street. You're not talking about a long wind and
driveway where he's got all kind of privacy in the
(03:29):
front and backyard. That's not the case here. They need
to be able to see the importance of what that
garage could hold the basement. If they don't see the
gun room, they're never going to be able to understand it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And another thing, I haven't been in the basement yet,
but think about it, going in that basement and feeling
what those women must have felt. Is it big? Is
it small? Is it like a little dungeon room? As
big as a room closet. Is it like a basement
(04:02):
like our basement? You know, I don't like basement Cheryl,
as you and I have discussed many many times in
the fath I don't like them. They're dark, they very
typically smell funny, and I just people always are skulking
around in the basement, all right, so I don't want one.
But but where our house is, it was on a slope,
(04:24):
so I could either put the house right up at
the front by the street, all the way in the
back way too far back, or I could have a basement. Well,
I've got a basement, and let me assure you it
does not smell funny, and I always have a light
on because I don't want to go down there in
the dark anyway. So a lot of people want to understand,
(04:45):
or I would want to understand, sitting on the jury,
what that was like? I mean, was it all cozy
and cheery, like we have hours downstairs where the children
go down there, blate. There's got a foosball table down
there and a pull table down there for them, which
is basically the catways. But that said, it's bright and cheery, right,
(05:05):
But what is theirs like? I just imagine it's dark
and damp and smelly, and that room I want to
see the room. I want to stand in the room.
Not pretty period, inches, but because I want to understand
what happened. Why couldn't the ladies get away? What did
they live through at the end? How was this kept
(05:27):
secret from his wife and children? And can we just
go back to very quickly the Idaho for I always
use the same example, and I don't want to be tiresome,
but this is the best way I can say it.
For beautiful, and I include Ethan in that young beautiful.
(05:48):
Like the other day, I was watching John David play
soccer and I was looking at all those his side
and the apoche the opposition running like mad, and you know,
it's warm outside that evening, and I heard a bystanders say, well,
they're just poetry emotion, and they are. They're all beautiful, boy, girl, whatever,
(06:11):
just young and alive with their life ahead of them.
And I think about these four beautiful students, just beautiful,
And I don't think the jury's going to understand how
people the dealing, for instance, or Bethany were down there
hiding out on the bottom floor but couldn't really hear
(06:34):
what was going up on the third floor.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You have to see it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Now that I've seen it, I get it, But I
just I don't like the destruction of a murder scene.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't either, And you know, you've got witnesses that
say they could hear this or see from this vantage point.
With the house gone, the jury is never going to
be able to do that for themselves. And that's not okay,
It's just not And it's not like there's not precedent, Nancy.
Remember Jeffrey McDonald house open for twenty five years as
(07:05):
a crime scene. And that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You keep it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Exactly like it is. Every card, every cup, every shoe,
everything should be in place.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Another thing everybody's spending let me say technical legal term
that given your background, you probably won't understand a crap
ton of money, A crap ton of money on three
D recreations. Well they could have just got in a
school bus and driven up there for Pete's sake. But anyway,
(07:40):
it's done now and it can't be fixed. But I
just think that's a huge error, and that's what I'm
talking about. Rex Hureman. I believe, of course you're going
to sell it, but I don't want that to be
step one to step two, which I believe might be demolitioned.
I mean, who wants to buy that? And what remolleyt
oh a DOUBLEL know that thing needs to be raised,
(08:02):
but not now.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Agreed because you know the other thing about that room
you keep talking about that you and I both believe
to sound through you know, and in some kind of chamber.
Can you imagine a world where David Lynch has a
room in your house locked and tells you you can't go.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No, I don't know that world.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You want to be a demo?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah? I mean I did a surprise visits, surprise inspections
at his office several times. It's so boring. I don't
even bother anymore. I told you one time I tried
to read this email and my eyes started bleeding so awful.
I'm like, this business dealing that business, dealing this spreadsheet
and interest and I'm like, oh, my head is hurting.
(08:47):
Can somebody talk about murder? For Pete's sake? I just
couldn't take it. So you know what, get after a David?
But know there is no nook or cranny that I
have not explored. Truck me all that and I don't
know what was she thinking.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't know, I don't know. You know that, as
I like to.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Tell Jerry's she ain't on trial. People fought shit it
back in the middle of the road.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You are pregg well, what has happening right now? That's
got you mad?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Aside for the possibility that Rex Human's house is going
to be torn down, don't you know his neighbors are
so sick of looking at that people driving by and
it's basically turned into a very oh ghoulish tourist spot.
Can I just ask you what you observed. I want
to hear about the neighborhood. I want to hear about
(09:42):
how slowly you went by. Did you get out and look, Well,
obviously you took pictures, but you could have done that
from your car. Were there people kneeling about? Is there
any what would people have noticed? If anything?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This neighborhood is so adorable. The houses are very close together,
the yards are picture per, They've got flowers and just lighting.
I mean everything is just adorable. I mean I just
cannot stress that enough. It's like a classic New England neighborhood.
Last time I was there was Memorial Day weekend, everybody
(10:15):
was out grilling and you know, visiting. Everybody had tents everywhere.
This time was a little more somber because a police
officer had recently been killed by MS thirteen. All the
trees had blue ribbons. There were still people out walking
their dog and everything, but it was a little more somber.
(10:36):
But the first thing that I noticed when we turned
onto his street is last time there was no signage nothing.
This time, every single driveway bar none had a sign
from the city is said no stoping, no parking, no stoping,
no parking all the way down, so they are tired
(10:57):
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You stopped and parked.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I didn't stop. I really did slow down though, and
I went by twice. But I did take the pictures
from my car because I thought, you know, this is different,
you know now that they have put up this lattice.
I mean it's brand new and they've got the pod
for the moving. So it just struck me that as
they're taking things out of the house, they don't want,
you know, pictures of what they're moving, what they're taking
(11:22):
with them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay, I'm switching gears now and I have not covered
this in several months, but LORI Valo cal Mom on trial.
Her brother, her blood brother, took the stand in the
(11:45):
last twenty four hours and testified as a witness for
the prosecution. I mean, people are like, well, what else
could she pop? I mean, what she had a hand
in killing two of her children. I mean, I don't
know what could possibly talk. But now she is on
trial in a different jurisdiction for killing the husband Charles Valo.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well that's overdue. This whole thing you want to talk
about just watching the devil Now interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This witness is Adam Cox. If you'll recall, Lurivalo referred
to her other brother as her avenging angel, and he
is the one that carried JJ out of the apartment
and the night he was killed, he was found dead
(12:41):
basically her medically sealed like a mummy, in pristine condition,
still wearing his little pj's he wore out of the
apartment that night. So okay, so you've got Lorii Valot,
then you've got the avenging angel brother. This is the
other brother, Adam Cox, witness for the price execution to
the sin and testified he had quote no doubt his
(13:05):
two siblings that would be Lori event Coultmom and her
other brother conspired to kill Charles Valow. He said he
had no doubt the moment he learned his brother had
shot Valo, who would have been his brother in law.
He said he knew immediately that she and the other
(13:25):
brother got together and planted it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Just think about that. A sibling, the person you grew
up with, the person that you were, you know, raised
every memory as a child, you share it with this person.
And to know what she and the other sibling were
capable of, Well, here's her problem.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
She's got so many problems. A. She's killer, she killed
her children, and B she is representing herself and you
know the phrase. I hate to even turn it again,
but a man that reps himself as a fool for
a client, and that is for sure. She told the
jury that the affidence will show her avenging angel brother
Alex Cox. Now Cox died shortly thereafter, they say from
(14:13):
natural causes. I don't know about that. But she told
the jury that Cox shot Charles Valow of her then husband,
in self defense, and that she and Valley were happily married.
But I talked to Charles's sister who told me that
(14:33):
Charles sa had moved all of his money where Laura
couldn't get it because he was leaving her, that he
was afraid she was going to kill him, that she
would run through the money and nobody would take care
of the children. I mean, she was very clear about
what now dead Charles Bellow told her so with cole Mo.
(14:54):
I'm telling you, Jerry, how happy they were, Well, they're
all right. What if she wanted any chance to win
this trial, she should have said, we had our problems.
We were having problems that day, largely fighting about custody
and money, and he came over and started to fight
and attacked us. To see that would have worked a
lot better than saying we were so happy together when
(15:18):
you know the state is going to bring on evidence
there were anything but happy. He was afraid of her,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And she's looking for another lover, looking.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
For whoa she already found the so called prophet.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Day Bell, may he writen in hell because the two
children's remains, and when I say remains, I mean remains.
Now I mentioned jaj was found. His body was intact, tilely.
The sixteen year old girl had been rendered down like
an animal at a slaughter house. There was nothing but
a bucket of fat and tissue left. They can all
(15:53):
right in him. As far as I'm concerned, that's not
my decision, sadly, But anyway, he had them buried in
the pet cemetery out on his farm with the animals.
I mean really, so he was all into that. But
then there's his wife, Tammy Daybill, who was healthy, healthy, healthy.
(16:15):
I used to say healthy as a horse, but somehow
that doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound very ladylike, does it.
And she was a great lady, beloved by all of
her children, just ran in a marathon. And his story
is they go to sleep one night and she just
wakes up dead. Cheryl. Now here comes David rides up
talking about a spouse murder. He's convinced because of a
(16:39):
book I wrote. Then I'm going to stuff hot dogs
down his pockets and push him into the water at Gatorland.
He said, I know you wrote that segment about me.
I'm like, duck, flatter yourself. Okay, So anyway back to
Tammy Daybill. She goes to sleep shell I just wakes
(16:59):
up dead. Now I'll be darn how did that happen?
Until we find out he was telling people like oj
had his dream, okay, that he killed Nicole. All right,
So the prophet Chad Dave Bell and I say that
with air quotes. The prophet started telling people that he
(17:21):
had been having premonitions his wife was going to die.
He also told her to take a five hour drive
one way to visit visit her relatives, basically because you're
about to die. And what else did he? Oh? And
then this seals it. He was already sleeping with cold mom.
I don't know why men find to retract them. I
just don't get it. But that said, they were already
(17:45):
shacking up in motels, hotels, holiday inns. And she uses
her husband, the one that she helped kill. Amazon account
and ordered her beach be each wedding dress, a ring,
and her grooms beach grooms outfit grooms of an outfit
(18:09):
before Tammy died, Well wait a minute, whoa before Tammy
day Bell died, she was ordering her wedding dress and
she had day Bell's wedding attire for a beach wedding
with the wife still alive. And then they go to
Hawaii and have a beach wedding. I mean I would
(18:32):
have printed out that Amazon order and basically run up
and like I'm at a football game and I'm the
one with the flag, the mascot flag. I've been running
back and forth. I would be running back and forth
in front of that jury with that Amazon ran out
just all over the courtroom waving it.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know. Anyway, so situal I've never heard because I
can see it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I mean, did didn't you believe them?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And keep in mind, while they're there in Hawaii, her
child is still quote missing, and God bless Nate Eaton.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I love Nate Eaton and his wife, and he's got
the cutest little dark Anyway, Nate Eaten would not let
Lori Valoe go. He'd like run every time she would appear.
He flew to Hawaii and would like chase her. They go,
where's your children? Are you worried about your children? Have
you seen your children or your children? I mean you
can see his hand in all the pictures where he's
chasing her, and he was right. He was right. So
(19:32):
that's happening. And I usually don't spend time on Lorie
Valo because she has already been convicted, she's already gotten
her sentence. Now she's you know, on trial for another murder.
Not that I don't care about Charles Valow, but I
know she is put away and I don't think she's
(19:53):
gonna be able to hurt anybody else. So I'm on
to the next person that needs to be put away
so they can't hurt anybody else. That's that's why I
have pipe down about caught my glory valle. So, but
that's what's happening right there, right now. And I'm gonna
tell you something else. I was listening to her in
court speaking, and she was a very articulate, very articulate,
(20:18):
and she was making pretty good sense, making some legal arguments,
better than some of the people I went to law
school with. I can tell you that much. But that said,
I mean, Jerry's going to see straight through this. Oh yes,
I was. Nate was questioning me the other day for
his I think's East Idaho News dot Com and David,
(20:39):
you see me talking to Cheryl and you went right
over there and turn on the water. Should I kill
him now or should I let him live? Okay? Anyway?
And he said, I can't believe. I said, I can't
believe you fixed your mouth to say this. He said,
do you think her sex appeal will sway the jury.
I'm like, did you actually say that? I'm telling your wife,
(20:59):
who besides Chad Dave Bell thinks that Lori Valo is sexy?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
A h The word skate comes to mind, but I'm
just not gonna put that out there anyway. I mean,
I guess it's because I look at her and I
think about JJ and Tyley and nothing about her is
attractive at all. That's right. So do you think caught
my Laurie Valo was attractive? David? Okay, you and I
are having a very long discussion about this later, David
(21:30):
Blake twice if you need me. Oh mean, why do
men like crazy women? Why don't they like women that
go to work every day and and have a career,
And they say some moart things And I don't get it.
Why do they like crazy women? And when I say
she was not attractive, sheeril She did have four husbands.
(21:51):
Somebody obviously thought she was attractive.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's right. But you know they say the crazier, the
wilder she is in bed, that's the attraction.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, I'm not even going there. Sheeryl, I'm surprised
you even said that, wash your mouth. That was so
I have your children know here, yet I don't hear that.
Oh my goodness, Lucy has a friend boy. I don't
think I'm allowed to say boy friend. They have been
to two dances together and the other night I said, well,
has he kissed you? Lucy? I thought? She ran out
(22:23):
of the room. She said, I can't even said that
to me. I'm like, what this, I mean, even on
the elbow. Has anything happened? Well, Nita's say, I did
not handle that Q and A very well. She literally
ran out of the room. I take that as a note,
Oh know what's going on. I guess I'll have to
intensify my sterbellans. So I don't want to talk about
(22:47):
what did you just say? You said, oh, yeah, something
about in bed. I don't want to think about Colt
mom in bed?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Please?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You do know what she believed and espoused that people
have dark spirits and light spirits, and people with dark
spirits turned into zombies and she has to kill them.
And that was her zany excuse for killing her own
two children. I mean, I've heard a lot cheryld, but
that really, really, that tops it all off.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's just no words for.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What she did.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
What she just think about after she knew they were
killed in the manner that they were and disposed of
so horrifically, she just walked around and planned away.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well that and proceeded with the wedding and the honeymoon.
And you know, we're getting around about her zaniness and
the theories to the jury and as the jury thinks
she's sexy and all that, But just think about JJ
and Tilely Tiley. Sixting just turned and I'm sure she
(23:57):
was getting tired of Tyley's saying things like no mom.
You know how they start saying that and resisting her
mother and her any beliefs and her lifestyle. And jayj
had a learning disability. She's probably tired of that. And
these two were holding her back from being with the
(24:18):
prophet she had day Bell. Let's get real, just a moment.
All joking aside. She sacrificed her children to be with
a married man. I'm not the church lady. That's their
marriage between him and Tammy. That's their business. But when
you wrap crime scene tape around it, it's my business.
(24:40):
She killed two children to be with a no good man,
and the way that Tyler's body was rendered down. You know,
the death penalty was taken off the t allegedly because
(25:02):
the state he haded over discovered in a late manner. Now,
in my mind, that was completely wrong. They should have
just gotten a delay in the trial. Let the defense
have another year to look at the evidence if they
wanted it. That said, she is straight from hell. Nothing
(25:26):
anybody can say or do will change what she did
to her children. And it's all over for them sixteen
and seven years old. Do you remember your children at
age seven? Because I do, and I long for those days.
I want to live them over all over again. So trusting,
(25:47):
so defenseless, so innocent, so pure. And she killed that
child and the ten girl just starting her life. You
know what, She's right where she needs to be. Now
you go have fun in the Hamptins. But for Pete's sake,
I hope you brought some peanut butter and jelly, because
you know everything's really expensively. Oh wait, just before I go,
(26:10):
can I tell you something that is not too far?
The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Sheryl,
And I've got David Lynchers my witness. He loves when
I tell the story I have relatives down in deep,
deep deep rural Florida. Bag Dad. Yes, there is a
(26:30):
Bagdad Florida. And when they went for the first time,
their daughter was marrying someone in the Naval Academy. When
they went up to see her, quote up north the mother.
It was the mother of the father. And of course
they brought Grannie. Like the clampets that we all are,
(26:52):
they brought Grannie. Granny would not drink any other water
except bag Dad water, says. She brought jugs of water
in the trunk and a big old Virginia ham that
she cooked herself. And when they would go into restaurants,
they would slice the hand for her and wrap it
up in a napkin, and she would take it in
(27:13):
the fancy restaurant near the Naval Academy and eat her
Virginia ham and drink her water from bagdawn. So I
certainly hope that you brought your peeb and jay and
your bottled water from back home up there in the Hamptons,
because the bottle of water there will cost you nine
dollars in joy.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I will jump of that story. I'm gonna get me
some bag dagwadi.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Sometimes, Oh have fun up there. Tell everybody I said hello,
I will do it. Bye bye, honey,
Welcome to a historic crime round up in the Hamptons.
Good morning, Sugar.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, good morning. Let me just clarify you are recording
live from the Billy Jewel in the Hamptons. I'm sorry,
the hampton is too rich for my blood. I'm a
working girl. I can't afford the Hamptons. But you go
right ahead, Cheryl.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'd give anything if you're sitting right here. This hotel
looks like a movie set. It just doesn't even look real.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I went there a few times, well, actually several times,
for various events, like charity events, you know when all
the rich people get together and they'll drink really expensive
wine and champage and have little bitty, extremely tiny reorderves.
I storved, okay, and then they raised money for very
good causes. So I would drive out there for various
(01:02):
churity functions. And I'm telling you, the houses were like
Adam magazines.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Absolutely. I mean I have just had the best time
just driving around.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I definitely felt like a dog upstairs. I knew
I was not supposed to be, and I was just
walking around looking you. Of course, by the time I
jumped on their beds and trying on all their clothes.
I was ready to go home.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Loved it. That is priceless.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So I heard her, Remember that you were skulking around
rex Human's place.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was so yesterday got to drive by there, Nancy.
I've fixed you pictures. But he has put lattice up
all in the front, blocking the porch in the front
door so they can privately or more privately move out.
They've got one of those pods out front where you
can store items. They've got some tarps up, some umbrellas up,
(01:57):
so they're trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, well, I'm not interested in it and seeing anything now,
because now that it has been combed over with a
fine tooth comb and everything has been seized for evidence,
they can cover it up all they want to, because
I don't want to look at it anymore. All I
want to look at is the evidence, and I want
something to happen in his case.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I e.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He to go on trial. But I do have one
concern about people up and moving out, and that is
that's step one to step two, which is a demolition,
and I don't want that to happen to hereman's house,
even though it is a house of horrors, because that
is what happened out in Idaho. And I've just got
(02:45):
a feeling that once you are or more, they're gonna
want to go see the scene, and it will be
a long trip from Boise. I get it, but I
don't know. I just I just don't like the idea
of destroying evidence until everything is done, all the way
till the appeal is over.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Nancy, you more than anybody knows the importance of walking
a scene to understand it. If you don't go to
that house, you don't realize how close the other houses
are on each side, how close that house is to
the street. You're not talking about a long wind and
driveway where he's got all kind of privacy in the
(03:29):
front and backyard. That's not the case here. They need
to be able to see the importance of what that
garage could hold the basement. If they don't see the
gun room, they're never going to be able to understand it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And another thing, I haven't been in the basement yet,
but think about it, going in that basement and feeling
what those women must have felt. Is it big? Is
it small? Is it like a little dungeon room? As
big as a room closet. Is it like a basement
(04:02):
like our basement? You know, I don't like basement Cheryl,
as you and I have discussed many many times in
the fath I don't like them. They're dark, they very
typically smell funny, and I just people always are skulking
around in the basement, all right, so I don't want one.
But but where our house is, it was on a slope,
(04:24):
so I could either put the house right up at
the front by the street, all the way in the
back way too far back, or I could have a basement. Well,
I've got a basement, and let me assure you it
does not smell funny, and I always have a light
on because I don't want to go down there in
the dark anyway. So a lot of people want to understand,
(04:45):
or I would want to understand, sitting on the jury,
what that was like? I mean, was it all cozy
and cheery, like we have hours downstairs where the children
go down there, blate. There's got a foosball table down
there and a pull table down there for them, which
is basically the catways. But that said, it's bright and cheery, right,
(05:05):
But what is theirs like? I just imagine it's dark
and damp and smelly, and that room I want to
see the room. I want to stand in the room.
Not pretty period, inches, but because I want to understand
what happened. Why couldn't the ladies get away? What did
they live through at the end? How was this kept
(05:27):
secret from his wife and children? And can we just
go back to very quickly the Idaho for I always
use the same example, and I don't want to be tiresome,
but this is the best way I can say it.
For beautiful, and I include Ethan in that young beautiful.
(05:48):
Like the other day, I was watching John David play
soccer and I was looking at all those his side
and the apoche the opposition running like mad, and you know,
it's warm outside that evening, and I heard a bystanders say, well,
they're just poetry emotion, and they are. They're all beautiful, boy, girl, whatever,
(06:11):
just young and alive with their life ahead of them.
And I think about these four beautiful students, just beautiful,
And I don't think the jury's going to understand how
people the dealing, for instance, or Bethany were down there
hiding out on the bottom floor but couldn't really hear
(06:34):
what was going up on the third floor.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You have to see it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Now that I've seen it, I get it, But I
just I don't like the destruction of a murder scene.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't either, And you know, you've got witnesses that
say they could hear this or see from this vantage point.
With the house gone, the jury is never going to
be able to do that for themselves. And that's not okay,
It's just not And it's not like there's not precedent, Nancy.
Remember Jeffrey McDonald house open for twenty five years as
(07:05):
a crime scene. And that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You keep it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Exactly like it is. Every card, every cup, every shoe,
everything should be in place.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Another thing everybody's spending let me say technical legal term
that given your background, you probably won't understand a crap
ton of money, A crap ton of money on three
D recreations. Well they could have just got in a
school bus and driven up there for Pete's sake. But anyway,
(07:40):
it's done now and it can't be fixed. But I
just think that's a huge error, and that's what I'm
talking about. Rex Hureman. I believe, of course you're going
to sell it, but I don't want that to be
step one to step two, which I believe might be demolitioned.
I mean, who wants to buy that? And what remolleyt
oh a DOUBLEL know that thing needs to be raised,
(08:02):
but not now.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Agreed because you know the other thing about that room
you keep talking about that you and I both believe
to sound through you know, and in some kind of chamber.
Can you imagine a world where David Lynch has a
room in your house locked and tells you you can't go.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No, I don't know that world.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You want to be a demo?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah? I mean I did a surprise visits, surprise inspections
at his office several times. It's so boring. I don't
even bother anymore. I told you one time I tried
to read this email and my eyes started bleeding so awful.
I'm like, this business dealing that business, dealing this spreadsheet
and interest and I'm like, oh, my head is hurting.
(08:47):
Can somebody talk about murder? For Pete's sake? I just
couldn't take it. So you know what, get after a David?
But know there is no nook or cranny that I
have not explored. Truck me all that and I don't
know what was she thinking.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't know, I don't know. You know that, as
I like to.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Tell Jerry's she ain't on trial. People fought shit it
back in the middle of the road.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You are pregg well, what has happening right now? That's
got you mad?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Aside for the possibility that Rex Human's house is going
to be torn down, don't you know his neighbors are
so sick of looking at that people driving by and
it's basically turned into a very oh ghoulish tourist spot.
Can I just ask you what you observed. I want
to hear about the neighborhood. I want to hear about
(09:42):
how slowly you went by. Did you get out and look, Well,
obviously you took pictures, but you could have done that
from your car. Were there people kneeling about? Is there
any what would people have noticed? If anything?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
This neighborhood is so adorable. The houses are very close together,
the yards are picture per, They've got flowers and just lighting.
I mean everything is just adorable. I mean I just
cannot stress that enough. It's like a classic New England neighborhood.
Last time I was there was Memorial Day weekend, everybody
(10:15):
was out grilling and you know, visiting. Everybody had tents everywhere.
This time was a little more somber because a police
officer had recently been killed by MS thirteen. All the
trees had blue ribbons. There were still people out walking
their dog and everything, but it was a little more somber.
(10:36):
But the first thing that I noticed when we turned
onto his street is last time there was no signage nothing.
This time, every single driveway bar none had a sign
from the city is said no stoping, no parking, no stoping,
no parking all the way down, so they are tired
(10:57):
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You stopped and parked.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I didn't stop. I really did slow down though, and
I went by twice. But I did take the pictures
from my car because I thought, you know, this is different,
you know now that they have put up this lattice.
I mean it's brand new and they've got the pod
for the moving. So it just struck me that as
they're taking things out of the house, they don't want,
you know, pictures of what they're moving, what they're taking
(11:22):
with them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay, I'm switching gears now and I have not covered
this in several months, but LORI Valo cal Mom on trial.
Her brother, her blood brother, took the stand in the
(11:45):
last twenty four hours and testified as a witness for
the prosecution. I mean, people are like, well, what else
could she pop? I mean, what she had a hand
in killing two of her children. I mean, I don't
know what could possibly talk. But now she is on
trial in a different jurisdiction for killing the husband Charles Valo.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well that's overdue. This whole thing you want to talk
about just watching the devil Now interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This witness is Adam Cox. If you'll recall, Lurivalo referred
to her other brother as her avenging angel, and he
is the one that carried JJ out of the apartment
and the night he was killed, he was found dead
(12:41):
basically her medically sealed like a mummy, in pristine condition,
still wearing his little pj's he wore out of the
apartment that night. So okay, so you've got Lorii Valot,
then you've got the avenging angel brother. This is the
other brother, Adam Cox, witness for the price execution to
the sin and testified he had quote no doubt his
(13:05):
two siblings that would be Lori event Coultmom and her
other brother conspired to kill Charles Valow. He said he
had no doubt the moment he learned his brother had
shot Valo, who would have been his brother in law.
He said he knew immediately that she and the other
(13:25):
brother got together and planted it.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Just think about that. A sibling, the person you grew
up with, the person that you were, you know, raised
every memory as a child, you share it with this person.
And to know what she and the other sibling were
capable of, Well, here's her problem.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
She's got so many problems. A. She's killer, she killed
her children, and B she is representing herself and you
know the phrase. I hate to even turn it again,
but a man that reps himself as a fool for
a client, and that is for sure. She told the
jury that the affidence will show her avenging angel brother
Alex Cox. Now Cox died shortly thereafter, they say from
(14:13):
natural causes. I don't know about that. But she told
the jury that Cox shot Charles Valow of her then husband,
in self defense, and that she and Valley were happily married.
But I talked to Charles's sister who told me that
(14:33):
Charles sa had moved all of his money where Laura
couldn't get it because he was leaving her, that he
was afraid she was going to kill him, that she
would run through the money and nobody would take care
of the children. I mean, she was very clear about
what now dead Charles Bellow told her so with cole Mo.
(14:54):
I'm telling you, Jerry, how happy they were, Well, they're
all right. What if she wanted any chance to win
this trial, she should have said, we had our problems.
We were having problems that day, largely fighting about custody
and money, and he came over and started to fight
and attacked us. To see that would have worked a
lot better than saying we were so happy together when
(15:18):
you know the state is going to bring on evidence
there were anything but happy. He was afraid of her,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And she's looking for another lover, looking.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
For whoa she already found the so called prophet.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Day Bell, may he writen in hell because the two
children's remains, and when I say remains, I mean remains.
Now I mentioned jaj was found. His body was intact, tilely.
The sixteen year old girl had been rendered down like
an animal at a slaughter house. There was nothing but
a bucket of fat and tissue left. They can all
(15:53):
right in him. As far as I'm concerned, that's not
my decision, sadly, But anyway, he had them buried in
the pet cemetery out on his farm with the animals.
I mean really, so he was all into that. But
then there's his wife, Tammy Daybill, who was healthy, healthy, healthy.
(16:15):
I used to say healthy as a horse, but somehow
that doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound very ladylike, does it.
And she was a great lady, beloved by all of
her children, just ran in a marathon. And his story
is they go to sleep one night and she just
wakes up dead. Cheryl. Now here comes David rides up
talking about a spouse murder. He's convinced because of a
(16:39):
book I wrote. Then I'm going to stuff hot dogs
down his pockets and push him into the water at Gatorland.
He said, I know you wrote that segment about me.
I'm like, duck, flatter yourself. Okay, So anyway back to
Tammy Daybill. She goes to sleep shell I just wakes
(16:59):
up dead. Now I'll be darn how did that happen?
Until we find out he was telling people like oj
had his dream, okay, that he killed Nicole. All right,
So the prophet Chad Dave Bell and I say that
with air quotes. The prophet started telling people that he
(17:21):
had been having premonitions his wife was going to die.
He also told her to take a five hour drive
one way to visit visit her relatives, basically because you're
about to die. And what else did he? Oh? And
then this seals it. He was already sleeping with cold mom.
I don't know why men find to retract them. I
just don't get it. But that said, they were already
(17:45):
shacking up in motels, hotels, holiday inns. And she uses
her husband, the one that she helped kill. Amazon account
and ordered her beach be each wedding dress, a ring,
and her grooms beach grooms outfit grooms of an outfit
(18:09):
before Tammy died, Well wait a minute, whoa before Tammy
day Bell died, she was ordering her wedding dress and
she had day Bell's wedding attire for a beach wedding
with the wife still alive. And then they go to
Hawaii and have a beach wedding. I mean I would
(18:32):
have printed out that Amazon order and basically run up
and like I'm at a football game and I'm the
one with the flag, the mascot flag. I've been running
back and forth. I would be running back and forth
in front of that jury with that Amazon ran out
just all over the courtroom waving it.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know. Anyway, so situal I've never heard because I
can see it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I mean, did didn't you believe them?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And keep in mind, while they're there in Hawaii, her
child is still quote missing, and God bless Nate Eaton.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I love Nate Eaton and his wife, and he's got
the cutest little dark Anyway, Nate Eaten would not let
Lori Valoe go. He'd like run every time she would appear.
He flew to Hawaii and would like chase her. They go,
where's your children? Are you worried about your children? Have
you seen your children or your children? I mean you
can see his hand in all the pictures where he's
chasing her, and he was right. He was right. So
(19:32):
that's happening. And I usually don't spend time on Lorie
Valo because she has already been convicted, she's already gotten
her sentence. Now she's you know, on trial for another murder.
Not that I don't care about Charles Valow, but I
know she is put away and I don't think she's
(19:53):
gonna be able to hurt anybody else. So I'm on
to the next person that needs to be put away
so they can't hurt anybody else. That's that's why I
have pipe down about caught my glory valle. So, but
that's what's happening right there, right now. And I'm gonna
tell you something else. I was listening to her in
court speaking, and she was a very articulate, very articulate,
(20:18):
and she was making pretty good sense, making some legal arguments,
better than some of the people I went to law
school with. I can tell you that much. But that said,
I mean, Jerry's going to see straight through this. Oh yes,
I was. Nate was questioning me the other day for
his I think's East Idaho News dot Com and David,
(20:39):
you see me talking to Cheryl and you went right
over there and turn on the water. Should I kill
him now or should I let him live? Okay? Anyway?
And he said, I can't believe. I said, I can't
believe you fixed your mouth to say this. He said,
do you think her sex appeal will sway the jury.
I'm like, did you actually say that? I'm telling your wife,
(20:59):
who besides Chad Dave Bell thinks that Lori Valo is sexy?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
A h The word skate comes to mind, but I'm
just not gonna put that out there anyway. I mean,
I guess it's because I look at her and I
think about JJ and Tyley and nothing about her is
attractive at all. That's right. So do you think caught
my Laurie Valo was attractive? David? Okay, you and I
are having a very long discussion about this later, David
(21:30):
Blake twice if you need me. Oh mean, why do
men like crazy women? Why don't they like women that
go to work every day and and have a career,
And they say some moart things And I don't get it.
Why do they like crazy women? And when I say
she was not attractive, sheeril She did have four husbands.
(21:51):
Somebody obviously thought she was attractive.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's right. But you know they say the crazier, the
wilder she is in bed, that's the attraction.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, I'm not even going there. Sheeryl, I'm surprised
you even said that, wash your mouth. That was so
I have your children know here, yet I don't hear that.
Oh my goodness, Lucy has a friend boy. I don't
think I'm allowed to say boy friend. They have been
to two dances together and the other night I said, well,
has he kissed you? Lucy? I thought? She ran out
(22:23):
of the room. She said, I can't even said that
to me. I'm like, what this, I mean, even on
the elbow. Has anything happened? Well, Nita's say, I did
not handle that Q and A very well. She literally
ran out of the room. I take that as a note,
Oh know what's going on. I guess I'll have to
intensify my sterbellans. So I don't want to talk about
(22:47):
what did you just say? You said, oh, yeah, something
about in bed. I don't want to think about Colt
mom in bed?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Please?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You do know what she believed and espoused that people
have dark spirits and light spirits, and people with dark
spirits turned into zombies and she has to kill them.
And that was her zany excuse for killing her own
two children. I mean, I've heard a lot cheryld, but
that really, really, that tops it all off.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's just no words for.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What she did.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
What she just think about after she knew they were
killed in the manner that they were and disposed of
so horrifically, she just walked around and planned away.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well that and proceeded with the wedding and the honeymoon.
And you know, we're getting around about her zaniness and
the theories to the jury and as the jury thinks
she's sexy and all that, But just think about JJ
and Tilely Tiley. Sixting just turned and I'm sure she
(23:57):
was getting tired of Tyley's saying things like no mom.
You know how they start saying that and resisting her
mother and her any beliefs and her lifestyle. And jayj
had a learning disability. She's probably tired of that. And
these two were holding her back from being with the
(24:18):
prophet she had day Bell. Let's get real, just a moment.
All joking aside. She sacrificed her children to be with
a married man. I'm not the church lady. That's their
marriage between him and Tammy. That's their business. But when
you wrap crime scene tape around it, it's my business.
(24:40):
She killed two children to be with a no good man,
and the way that Tyler's body was rendered down. You know,
the death penalty was taken off the t allegedly because
(25:02):
the state he haded over discovered in a late manner. Now,
in my mind, that was completely wrong. They should have
just gotten a delay in the trial. Let the defense
have another year to look at the evidence if they
wanted it. That said, she is straight from hell. Nothing
(25:26):
anybody can say or do will change what she did
to her children. And it's all over for them sixteen
and seven years old. Do you remember your children at
age seven? Because I do, and I long for those days.
I want to live them over all over again. So trusting,
(25:47):
so defenseless, so innocent, so pure. And she killed that
child and the ten girl just starting her life. You
know what, She's right where she needs to be. Now
you go have fun in the Hamptins. But for Pete's sake,
I hope you brought some peanut butter and jelly, because
you know everything's really expensively. Oh wait, just before I go,
(26:10):
can I tell you something that is not too far?
The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Sheryl,
And I've got David Lynchers my witness. He loves when
I tell the story I have relatives down in deep,
deep deep rural Florida. Bag Dad. Yes, there is a
(26:30):
Bagdad Florida. And when they went for the first time,
their daughter was marrying someone in the Naval Academy. When
they went up to see her, quote up north the mother.
It was the mother of the father. And of course
they brought Grannie. Like the clampets that we all are,
(26:52):
they brought Grannie. Granny would not drink any other water
except bag Dad water, says. She brought jugs of water
in the trunk and a big old Virginia ham that
she cooked herself. And when they would go into restaurants,
they would slice the hand for her and wrap it
up in a napkin, and she would take it in
(27:13):
the fancy restaurant near the Naval Academy and eat her
Virginia ham and drink her water from bagdawn. So I
certainly hope that you brought your peeb and jay and
your bottled water from back home up there in the Hamptons,
because the bottle of water there will cost you nine
dollars in joy.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I will jump of that story. I'm gonna get me
some bag dagwadi.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Sometimes, Oh have fun up there. Tell everybody I said hello,
I will do it. Bye bye, honey,
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