July 5, 2024 • 33 mins
Nancy and Sheryl open today’s CRU by shining light on the unsettling disappearance of 39-year-old mother Nikki McCain. They describe her last known activities, the suspicious circumstances surrounding her absence, and the disturbing history of domestic violence involving her husband, Tyler McCain.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:30) Sheryl and Nancy reminisce on stories ‘back in the day’
- (9:00) Intro to Nikki Cheng Saelee-McCain's case
- (14:00) Tyler McCain's history of domestic abuse and its implications for the case
- (23:00) Nancy and Sheryl question the details given by Nikki’s husband
- (24:10) “Now, a lie is not a felony”
- (30:00) Predictions of case
- (32:10) Conclusion and call to action
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Y'all welcome to the Crime Round Up with Cheryl McCollum
and the Rodeo Queen herself, Nancy Grace. You know what, Nancy,
You've had family in town. I've got family in town.
You've got your old study partner with you with me.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here is my longtime friend, Frank, who was my study partner.
I named a character after him in one of my books.
He was a let's see, Frank, you were a Papa
Rozzi from a tabloid or just really lower tier papa. Yeah,
lower tier paper. Yes, yes, please just talk for enough set. Okay,
(00:49):
Actually he's really smart. It was the law clerk for
the Mississippi Supreme Court forever.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I have been so sentimental all week because I have
an intern and she every day begs me to tell
some story. And you know what I thought about today?
Oh no, your old office.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
See for how did I get into your story pipeline?
You get your own stories.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm trying to impress this child, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Pull the Nadsy Grats card as quick as I could.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well gosh, my office of at the district to chorney's officer,
like somebody dumped a cardboard box full of documents.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Do you know that was my favorite office ever. I
always just felt so engrossed. It was almost like it
was half law office half museum. You always had something
so extraordinary in there to just peak your interest. You
would have a clock, you would have a weapon, you
would have a shirt. Always something, but.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
A clock, a weapon, a shirt. Wait a minute, have
you forgotten my pride and joy from my first bank
robbery case? Don't touch the awl ram, this is a robie.
So I wondered, Cheryl, how could I be so lucky
to get to prosecute a bank robbery because you know
(02:15):
that's usually federal case, you know, because the federal ensuring,
the Feds ensuring the bank deposits. But I was just
so happy. Well I found out why because nobody, nobody
could identify the perp. This is what happened. They had video,
surveillance video, but it was slow mo. Then it would
(02:35):
come out as little pictures, single pictures. And the guy
was wearing a wig, a fate was sashed, a fake beard,
aviator glasses, a hat, a longsleu shirt, a suit and shoes.
Nobody could identify it. But he was flew footed. He
won't like a duck. It's all I knew. He came
(02:56):
up to the bank teller with the bank robbery now
and he was dyslexic, and the bank robbery note said,
don't touch the al ram. This is a robi al ram.
He reversed the L on the R the alarm, get
it and so long story short. In the end, when
(03:19):
you don't have a witness and you can't find any evidence,
where do you go the Fulton County jail. Somebody knows something, okay,
So I happened to pull on one guy that used
to room with him, and it turns out the last
time he saw the defendant, I said, well, what was
he doing before? You know y'all split ways over money?
(03:40):
He said he was sewing a suit. The bank robber
had on a breakaway suit that he sewed. The bike
up the suit. He yanked it off when he left
the building and he had on shorts and athletic socks underneath,
and drove off with the money on a bicycle as
the police for arriving anyway. In the end, he did
(04:02):
a handwriting analysis, and that's where I first learned about
handwriting exemplars. When he did his handwriting analysis, he reversed
every other word a spell like al ram. And he
had heard of punctuation, but didn't really get the whole concept.
And so he had he had apostrophes and commas and
(04:28):
exclamation points and quotation marks all through everything you wrote
for no reason, just like he did on the bank
robbery note. So that's how I ended up getting a conviction.
And plus he unwisely took the stand, and you know,
all twelve jars were hanging over the rail to watch
him walk, and sure enough he was slew footed. You
(04:49):
walked like a duck. That sealed it. I kept the exemplar.
It had been blown up to show the jury, and
that was framed on my wall of my office. That's
where this story was going. The office.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh I remember, I remember the note. I remember. You know.
I'm a little dyslexic myself, as you know, so I
always kind of felt bad when somebody got caught in
that manner. Remember the kid that we had that used
to go around spray paint and Psycho everywhere because that
was his gang name, but he couldn't spell it and
it was always misspelled. And when he came in the
(05:22):
first time, you just lit a piece of paper over
there and said, write Psycho. It's like, well you're done, son.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, And there was a sawed off shotgun.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's that. Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
A guy was in jail for rape. He got out
after seven years. He pretends he's got car shuble on
the side and now he held He tries to get
a ride with the lady on the side of the road.
He picks her up. What did he do? Pull a
sawed off shotgun and raped her. He had not been
out of jail twenty four hour, Cheryl before he raped somebody.
(05:55):
I kept the sawt off.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I remember that case because the sawd off was on
your shelf. I mean it was wide open for God
and country as soon as you walked in there. That's
why I'm telling you. See four seventeen, y'all was a classroom.
To me. It was just one of the most extraordinary
places to hang out ever, because you always had some artifact,
some unbelievable you know, mason jar full of something, a
(06:20):
bag full of something. There was always something that you
could just it was great office.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
This was a great office, and it was one of
the smallest offices in the whole courthouse. But I picked
it for a reason, and I never wanted to move
out of it because it was two floors below the
courtroom where I worked, and two floors above my boss,
mister Slayton, and I didn't think the elevators worked fast enough,
so it was right beside the stairwell so it could
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be out. You know, he had come over that loud
speaker and strike fear in everyone's heart and said, Grace,
come in the office. My oh, dear lord, I'd take off.
And you know that man was the longest serving district
attorney in the country, mister Slayton.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh, yeah. He was a great, great leader, really, and
I was like a grandfather to me. And you know
the thing about mister Slayton. At that time, women minorities
were not allowed to be trial lawyers. If you were
a female or a minority, you would have to like,
let's see do deadbeat dad, you know, collect child support.
(07:32):
You could go to juvenile where they don't have juries.
You could draw up indictments. But he was completely different,
very progressive and always had been. If you could get
in there and try cases, you could be a trial lawyer.
And I really had a great, great opportunity. He let
(07:54):
me become a trial lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Now he was a wonderful man. But you know, that's
one thing I was thinking this week again, telling stories
just kind of you know, you turn up all different
feelings when you're doing that. But this, of course was
a crazy week with Karen Read and all that madness.
But here's what made me come up with this memory.
There's so many people, of course, upset by the hung jury.
(08:20):
But I remember one time you said, and I'm quoting best,
I can I believe in redemption. I'm just not concerned
with it. Do you remember saying that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, it's all coming back to me now, how people
would find the Lord and want forgiveness. I'm like, I'm
all for forgiveness, and I want you to find the Lord.
But you can do that in a prison cell.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You get real close to God in a prison cell.
There's not distractions. He can talk to him all day long.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I want to kind of just go back into something
we were talking about earlier in the day, just the
two of us. But Nicki McCain, let's please talk about
her case, because you got a thirty nine year old
mama that is gone missing, nobody's seen her her truck
was found in a remote part of the county.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Did you see her sisters? Did you see them on MSM?
It's gonna post later tonight to well it posted. It's
posted to MSM, and it posted to MSM immediately, of course,
but now it's it's on YouTube as well. The two sisters.
(09:41):
I kept looking at them, Cheryl. They look just like
NICKI just like her, all three beautiful, stunning, articulate, smart,
loving mother of four children, Nicki McCain. They call her
Nikki Chang. That's what they call her. Her sisters called her.
(10:06):
I mean, three gorgeous sisters, loving and just out of
the blue. They text back and forth all the time,
and it took them. Oh gosh, she texted them. I
guess it was a Friday night, around midnight, and on
Monday morning they've been texting back and forth and it
was Monday morning before they realized. Wait wait, wait, I
(10:28):
haven't heard from her since Friday, So whatever happened got
a forty eight hour lead.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well. May seventeen is when that last tax exchange happened,
and then the truck was found May twenty fifth, again
in this remote part. But you know, Nancy, when I
watched you talk with her two sisters. Again. I tell
people all the time, there is no better advocate. You
have lived that side of it, and you lead with
(10:57):
your heart on every case you have ever worked. And
here's what struck me. Just like you said, they are
very clear in what happened. They are very clear of
what did and most importantly, what did not happen. Like
they you flat ask them, would she have left her children?
And they were like, no, of course never. And that
(11:20):
whole exchange between the three of you, I thought was
very powerful but also very important to anybody that's going
to investigate this case. There was a ton of victimology
in that interview.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A lot of parents are like cats. They have the
children and then they just leave, and they just walk
off and leave that. You know, I have a lot
of friends and they're wonderful, that they're great, and they're
great parents, but they like to take time away. Nothing
(11:53):
makes me more angry than when somebody says, oh, I
can't I bet you can't wait for your twins to
get away to college. I'm like, I actually feel sick
about it. I don't say that anymore. Of course, I
want them to be their own person. And you know,
follow their dreams. I would just like to be doing
it with them. I know this is not going to happen.
(12:17):
I understand that in my head, but in my heart,
I don't. But she was not one of those moms.
You know, those moms that they're happy when the children
go away to camp. And I get it. My mom
is a great mom, and I'm sure she was thrilled
when I finally got to go to four age camp
once a year, thirty seven dollars, oh for the day,
(12:37):
a whole week too, Monday through Friday. But that was
not her. She would never leave those four children. And
it's routine evidence. I don't mean typical evidence. I mean
evidence of routine that was not her routine. If I
didn't show up for the crime roundup, there would be
something very wrong. Of course I'm going to be late,
(12:59):
that's just a given. But I'm going to be there
come hell or high water. That's you know. That would
if I would be like me not shoving up in
the anchor chair, that has never happened. So what I'm
saying is this isn't right. She didn't take off for
a girl's weekend or me time. She's not somewhere sitting
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in one of those big vats of hot mud. That's
not happening. She's not getting massaged, she's not getting her
nails done. She's been taken or something as bad as
happened to her. And did you see where they found
her vehicle or Chevy Avalanche a huge overpass bridge and
(13:41):
her vehicle was under the bridge, I mean, like really tall,
like a mountain pass type over It reminds me a
little bit of the trestle bridge in Delphi. But that's
not right, that's not right at all. And with the
husband's history of domestic abuse, I mean, Cheryl, I'm not
(14:04):
calling him out yet, but I will say, when you
don't know a horse, look at his track record.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And there's no way not to look at this man.
Number one is the husband. You always look at the
husband when you've got a spouse that has gone and
gotten a protective order and then they've got a court
date coming up where you are being accused of domestic
violence and that's when she goes missing. And here's the
(14:32):
other you know, big hits. This sounds like Scott Peterson
and the Missing Mom in Colorado, where you've got a
husband that does not search for them. You've got a
husband that didn't call down one one and report them missing.
You've got a husband that gave three different stories as
to where she was. Now, let's just go over these,
(14:54):
miss Grace. The first reason he gave is she left
to go be with her lesbian lover. Second one, she
took an uber and left, and the third one she
left him to go to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, let me pick between those three. We've got three
choices here, take off with an ahbor and never come back,
yet he didn't report her to nine one one, take
off with his lesbian lover, there's no history of her
having a lover at all. And the third choice, go
to Vegas. She were in Vegas, we could trick her
(15:28):
with her atm, her credit cards, her cell phone pings.
None of that is true. No evidence in Uber came
to her location, nothing lies. Those are all lies, which
leads me to why would he lie about it?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Exactly? And common sense tells you if I took an Uber,
then how did my truck wind up in the middle
of the county under a bridge? That didn't make any sense.
Las Vegas has got more cameras than anywhere else practically
on earth. Nobody has seen her, you said, nothing financially
is shown up, no hotel, no money. She hasn't accessed
(16:06):
anything bank accounts, she hasn't called a check on the children.
She hasn't contacted her sisters, which would never occur. So, yeah,
those are three things that don't make any sense to anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, another thing, there's a lot of domestic violence going
on in the world. And, as men's rights groups love
to point out to me, me and can be domestic
violence victims too. Yeah, right, Well, about one one and
a half percent of all domestic violence victims are men.
But okay, you win, there are some. In this particular case,
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the of the domestic violence is even more disturbing. It
wasn't just a punch, As if that's not enough, It
wasn't just a slap. He bound her by her hands
and feet. He beat her horrible. He put tape over
her mouth, and after an hour's long beating, poured cold
(17:05):
water on her threatened to kill her. Now to me,
that sounds like a dry run for murder. And it
was this incident that led us to the court date
which was about to occur. When she goes missing and
she is the only witness for the state. Without her,
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there may not be a case. Now, in my mind,
there's more than one way to skin a cat to
prove that case. But that said, the reality is she
is the state's only eyewitness to that and now the
case will fall apart without her.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And that's the thing. When her sister and she were Texan,
she had told her that she was headed to her
mother in laws to take her vehicle back to the
mother in law, So she's telling them, this is where
I'm going. So possibly the last people to see her
(18:05):
would be the husband and the mother in law. Possibly,
I don't know why at midnight you wouldn't be telling
the truth about where you were going.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And I questioned them very carefully about the text because
we know, in for instance, the Gabby Potito case and
others victims and I'm air quoting that have sent texts
and those texts don't sound like the victim wrote them.
Have you ever gotten text from people that are verbose?
(18:34):
Why say it in five words when you can say
it in eighty words and they'll send you a three
paragraph text. It's painful. She had a unique style to
her texting, and the sisters agreed that was her texting
around midnight the night she was driving that vehicle back
to her mother in laws. They say that was her.
(18:56):
Remember the Gabby Patito case. Brian Laundry wrote Gabby Bettito's
family and says something asked about her grandfather and referred
to him by his name. That would be like me
saying have you spoken to Elizabeth Grace my mom today?
That would never happen and so it was obviously not
(19:17):
her texting. They are convinced it was her texting. Could
they be wrong? Yeah? Do I think they're wrong? No,
But that's where you start the timeline and you sharell
of all people. You have established so many timelines in cases,
that's where your investigation starts.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Absolutely, And you know, her sister, she made a Facebook
post where she said the last time she saw her
that she was terrified that her husband had used bullying, brainwashing,
and intimidation to basically, you know, just control her and
make her believe that he was untouchable. That if he
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stayed near his tribe and his people been bad, whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
To you, you know. The Shasta County District Attorney's office
moved to dismiss the case. Against the husband, the domestic
violence case against Tyler McCain. It happened. Now they reserve
the right to refile it. But that is a disturbing moment.
(20:21):
The state had to drop its case. Hey, speaking of
dropping cases, the Alec Baldwin case, which number one, I agree. Okay,
you may need to sit down for this. I do
not think that Alec Baldwin meant to shoot anyone. That
(20:43):
it's not a malice murder case. Gosh, that really felt
wrong coming out of my mouth. Did to say something
is not it's murder case, but it's not. It's not
a malice murder case. It's not a voluntary I don't
think it's a voluntary I do believe it is an
involuntary manslaughter case. But whatever they decide in that jurisdiction,
(21:08):
I'm watching it. But speaking of dropping cases, remember the
district attorney dropped the case against Baldwin and then refiled it.
That's never a good look because the defense can stand
up and say, listen, the state thought so little of
their case they dropped it and then felt pressure to
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refile it. Is that what happened in Baldwin's case. I
don't know that, but It's never a good look when
you drop your case. I had a mistrial once. In
the middle of my opening statement, I called a sex
trafficker pimp, which he was. He pimped out a little
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thirteen year old girl, and I got called on in
an opening statements. It wasn't untrue, but he had not
been indicted with that, so the case got thrown out.
I went straight down to the grand jury, got it
reindicted with the same felony charges plus a misdemeanor pimping charge,
and the following Thursday restruckting you jury and tried the
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case again. That said, it's never a good strategy. It's
never a good moment when the state drops case or
has the case dismissed. In this case, his domestic violence
charges were dropped because they don't have a witness. What
are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That is just the devil at work, because again, why
is she missing if it's at his hand? How utterly
disgusting is that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Many people think it's very difficult to prove the case
without a body. I disagree. I don't think that a
defendant shoul get a gold star or an A plus
just because he can get rid of a body that said,
the husband has not been charged, she's not been named
a person of interest, and a course remains innocent and
(23:02):
the eyes of Lady Justice until he's been proving guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt. Just wanted to get that in there.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, I will quote Nancy Grace once again, Oh dear,
when we were faced with something very similar, and you
told that jury don't reward him for being a good criminal.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Again, when you don't know a horse, look at his
try record. That's what he did. And that was not
just a slap in the face. That sounds like a
dry run for murder. Binding her at that wrist, the hands,
putting tape over her mouth. He said, I'm going to
kill you. And now she's gone, Wow, what a koinky dank.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And here's the other reality. She would not have left
her children. But if she had left her children to
go meet a lover, wouldn't she need her car? Wouldn't
she need her cell phone? Wouldn't she need some money?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, Cheryl, the lesbian lover was driving a Bentley. She
didn't need her car, and they went to Vegas whatt
in disguise, and they're using all cash. I mean, you
know he's just spinning out. All those things were lies.
Now a lie is not a felony. But why lie?
(24:18):
Why do you have to lie about where she is?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And it's still the mother of your children. Why would
you not be looking for her when her sisters called
and said we can't reach her. Have you heard from her?
That should have sparked, Hey, wait a minute, I thought
she'd just ran off with somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You're telling me she's really missing. Remember Anna Walch, Yes,
she just quote got in an Abor and Frank, wasn't
it New Year's Day? In an Abor on New Year's
Day and just disappeared three am to go to quote
work unquote and has never been seen again.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And see, that's another thing. If she ordered an uber
that would be on her phone, that would be a
record in real time it didn't happen. And order an
uber to go where again? If you have that app,
it would show this is where I was picked up,
this is where I asked them to take me.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
There's another issue, Cheryl, the tribal lands. Cheryl. I hate
to even think about it because it gets me so
upset about the abuse, the child abuse, the domestic abuse,
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the homicides, the way women are treated according to the
little statistics that we have on tribal lands, and there's
nothing we can do about it. It's remember we couldn't
They couldn't even get a full on search of the
around the rancheria they were people were allowed to search
(25:58):
within a certain disc of the casino. That's very upsetting.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, allegedly her husband made it clear he was bulletproof,
and he is.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know what, I like nothing more than a defendant
that says he's bulletproof. It just makes it so much more.
I mean, I try so much harder when someone is
that arrogant on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Did you see him walking into court when he flipped
off the reporter.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I tell you what Cheryl think about it. If your
child or your husband goes missing, I don't think I
could eat. I don't think I could sleep until I
found them. And he is not out looking. And I've
had many a defense attorney tell me there's no playbook
for grief. If I hear that one more time, I'm
(26:51):
going to shoot my foot. Yes, there's no playbook for grief.
People react differently to all sorts of situations, But when
you're wife, the mother of your four children is missing.
So long story short, all eyes are on him. Did
he do it? Don't know. Is he a suspect. Nobody
(27:11):
said that, Nobody said he's a person of interest. But
this is what I know. She's missing and she would
never do this on her own. And another thing, it
seems as if the case, the search for Nicki McCain
has been getting no traction. You know how I find
out found out about it. Somebody wrote me about it
on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I saw that and they were like, I hope Nance
Grace digs into this one. And I was like, well, honey,
Katie bought her the door, as she does because you
know it's going to be owned. But this is the
exact type of case you should be on. This is
in your wheelhouse. The case is that everybody else is
ignoring that need the most coverage. They've put up a
(27:49):
local billboard. But honey, they need you, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It concerns me because if she or her body is
on tribal land, how are we going to find it.
The first thing I think they need to do is
get a warm and ping his phone. That's the first
thing they need to do, and see where he's been.
Oh yes, speaking of pinging phones? What about that? Idgit
(28:15):
Brian Cooburger, Oh yeah, what do you make of the
receipt for the Dickie's uniform? You know he's a shopaholic.
First he buys a k bar knife on Amazon and
it exactly matches the sheap that's found in the home,
but no knife. Then he has a receipt for the
(28:36):
Dickie's uniform with the tag sitting neatly on top of
the receipt. I mean, see anal compulsive maybe you know,
I'm going fast and furious. You can find a receipt
in one place, a tag somewhere else. It's a jumble,
But with him, they're sitting neatly together, one on top
of the other. And the uniform is gone, not in
(29:00):
his closet, not in his stuff, not in his car.
So why did he buy the uniform for.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What exactly a quick change, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But the self Yeah, the cell phone things. I just
wonder if a delay in handing over discovery in that
case has anything to do, and I hope it does.
I hope the state's not just dragging their feet with
them still developing the information. Are they still developing cell
phone data and video montage of where he was. I'm
(29:33):
just holding out hope that that's what they're doing, you know.
I got I read a lot of negative comments about
the author, Howard Bloom, who just wrote this new book
about Brian Coburger. I thought it was I really thought
the book was fascinating. He did so much background, intense,
intense research to write that book.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I just want to say one more thing. I wish
somebody would also say to me, well, there's no playbook
on grief when talking about Nikki Chen because my question
would be, why is he grieving unless he knows for
sure she's dead, And the only reason he would know
that is because he did it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So what do you think, Cheryl? Okay, can we just
be blunt? I think I didn't want to say it
to the sisters because they're holding out hope they're going
to find her. I think it's gosh, I hate to
say it. I think she may no longer be with us, Cheryl.
I think she's been killed.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Nancy, if you and I were sitting in See four
seventeen right now, I would absolutely tell you not only
is he a person of interest, he should be the
only person of interest.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, We can't say that, Cheryl, because the first thing
that would be said at trial is you had tunnel
vision and this is the only suspect you looked at.
And you have to keep an open field. You have
to track down all possibilities or it will bite you
in the rear end at trial. You have to. Plus,
you're trying to find the right guy, not just a guy,
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but the right guy. So John David's here now, and
he went vagabonding around today and he came home with
a shirt that says Gallio fino and it has a
giant rooster, you know, he's like a whiz of Spanish,
and it's around a bunch of Benjamins on the bottom.
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I says, Son, what is that? And he goes, well, Mom,
that means the rich Chicken. It's the most garish T
shirt I have ever seen. I'm like, Son, you know
that's about cock fighting, right, And he's like what. I'm like, Yes,
you're wearing a cock fighting T shirt. It's a rooster
on top of it's a rooster that looks like it
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will attack and kill you, on top of these wads
of money. You know. The last time he came home
with it, Oh, it was my fault. I went somewhere
and you know how he loves Asian food. He actually
knows how to make Asian food. He can make his
own mochi. It's amazing. Everybody came. So I saw a
T shirt at the airport and said sin nudes, n
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oo ds like noodles and has a teacher noodles on
the front. I think, I thought, David love Asian and
so I got in this T shirt and we I
supposed to a picture of he and I on line.
I went somebody said, you got your son a T
shirt that Sin says Sin nudes. And then of course
it hit me, mommy did not do a good job
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that day. Neiless to say. The shirt has been retired,
just like that T shirt is going bye bye. Okay, Cheryl,
I'm on the case. Nicky McCain, We're on it.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I appreciate you so much. Bye y'all, Love you dearly.
I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the prime roundup with
Zones Heaven
Y'all welcome to the Crime Round Up with Cheryl McCollum
and the Rodeo Queen herself, Nancy Grace. You know what, Nancy,
You've had family in town. I've got family in town.
You've got your old study partner with you with me.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here is my longtime friend, Frank, who was my study partner.
I named a character after him in one of my books.
He was a let's see, Frank, you were a Papa
Rozzi from a tabloid or just really lower tier papa. Yeah,
lower tier paper. Yes, yes, please just talk for enough set. Okay,
(00:49):
Actually he's really smart. It was the law clerk for
the Mississippi Supreme Court forever.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I have been so sentimental all week because I have
an intern and she every day begs me to tell
some story. And you know what I thought about today?
Oh no, your old office.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
See for how did I get into your story pipeline?
You get your own stories.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm trying to impress this child, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I had to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Pull the Nadsy Grats card as quick as I could.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well gosh, my office of at the district to chorney's officer,
like somebody dumped a cardboard box full of documents.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Do you know that was my favorite office ever. I
always just felt so engrossed. It was almost like it
was half law office half museum. You always had something
so extraordinary in there to just peak your interest. You
would have a clock, you would have a weapon, you
would have a shirt. Always something, but.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
A clock, a weapon, a shirt. Wait a minute, have
you forgotten my pride and joy from my first bank
robbery case? Don't touch the awl ram, this is a robie.
So I wondered, Cheryl, how could I be so lucky
to get to prosecute a bank robbery because you know
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that's usually federal case, you know, because the federal ensuring,
the Feds ensuring the bank deposits. But I was just
so happy. Well I found out why because nobody, nobody
could identify the perp. This is what happened. They had video,
surveillance video, but it was slow mo. Then it would
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come out as little pictures, single pictures. And the guy
was wearing a wig, a fate was sashed, a fake beard,
aviator glasses, a hat, a longsleu shirt, a suit and shoes.
Nobody could identify it. But he was flew footed. He
won't like a duck. It's all I knew. He came
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up to the bank teller with the bank robbery now
and he was dyslexic, and the bank robbery note said,
don't touch the al ram. This is a robi al ram.
He reversed the L on the R the alarm, get
it and so long story short. In the end, when
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you don't have a witness and you can't find any evidence,
where do you go the Fulton County jail. Somebody knows something, okay,
So I happened to pull on one guy that used
to room with him, and it turns out the last
time he saw the defendant, I said, well, what was
he doing before? You know y'all split ways over money?
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He said he was sewing a suit. The bank robber
had on a breakaway suit that he sewed. The bike
up the suit. He yanked it off when he left
the building and he had on shorts and athletic socks underneath,
and drove off with the money on a bicycle as
the police for arriving anyway. In the end, he did
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a handwriting analysis, and that's where I first learned about
handwriting exemplars. When he did his handwriting analysis, he reversed
every other word a spell like al ram. And he
had heard of punctuation, but didn't really get the whole concept.
And so he had he had apostrophes and commas and
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exclamation points and quotation marks all through everything you wrote
for no reason, just like he did on the bank
robbery note. So that's how I ended up getting a conviction.
And plus he unwisely took the stand, and you know,
all twelve jars were hanging over the rail to watch
him walk, and sure enough he was slew footed. You
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walked like a duck. That sealed it. I kept the exemplar.
It had been blown up to show the jury, and
that was framed on my wall of my office. That's
where this story was going. The office.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh I remember, I remember the note. I remember. You know.
I'm a little dyslexic myself, as you know, so I
always kind of felt bad when somebody got caught in
that manner. Remember the kid that we had that used
to go around spray paint and Psycho everywhere because that
was his gang name, but he couldn't spell it and
it was always misspelled. And when he came in the
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first time, you just lit a piece of paper over
there and said, write Psycho. It's like, well you're done, son.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, And there was a sawed off shotgun.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's that. Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
A guy was in jail for rape. He got out
after seven years. He pretends he's got car shuble on
the side and now he held He tries to get
a ride with the lady on the side of the road.
He picks her up. What did he do? Pull a
sawed off shotgun and raped her. He had not been
out of jail twenty four hour, Cheryl before he raped somebody.
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I kept the sawt off.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I remember that case because the sawd off was on
your shelf. I mean it was wide open for God
and country as soon as you walked in there. That's
why I'm telling you. See four seventeen, y'all was a classroom.
To me. It was just one of the most extraordinary
places to hang out ever, because you always had some artifact,
some unbelievable you know, mason jar full of something, a
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bag full of something. There was always something that you
could just it was great office.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
This was a great office, and it was one of
the smallest offices in the whole courthouse. But I picked
it for a reason, and I never wanted to move
out of it because it was two floors below the
courtroom where I worked, and two floors above my boss,
mister Slayton, and I didn't think the elevators worked fast enough,
so it was right beside the stairwell so it could
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be out. You know, he had come over that loud
speaker and strike fear in everyone's heart and said, Grace,
come in the office. My oh, dear lord, I'd take off.
And you know that man was the longest serving district
attorney in the country, mister Slayton.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh, yeah. He was a great, great leader, really, and
I was like a grandfather to me. And you know
the thing about mister Slayton. At that time, women minorities
were not allowed to be trial lawyers. If you were
a female or a minority, you would have to like,
let's see do deadbeat dad, you know, collect child support.
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You could go to juvenile where they don't have juries.
You could draw up indictments. But he was completely different,
very progressive and always had been. If you could get
in there and try cases, you could be a trial lawyer.
And I really had a great, great opportunity. He let
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me become a trial lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Now he was a wonderful man. But you know, that's
one thing I was thinking this week again, telling stories
just kind of you know, you turn up all different
feelings when you're doing that. But this, of course was
a crazy week with Karen Read and all that madness.
But here's what made me come up with this memory.
There's so many people, of course, upset by the hung jury.
(08:20):
But I remember one time you said, and I'm quoting best,
I can I believe in redemption. I'm just not concerned
with it. Do you remember saying that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, it's all coming back to me now, how people
would find the Lord and want forgiveness. I'm like, I'm
all for forgiveness, and I want you to find the Lord.
But you can do that in a prison cell.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You get real close to God in a prison cell.
There's not distractions. He can talk to him all day long.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I want to kind of just go back into something
we were talking about earlier in the day, just the
two of us. But Nicki McCain, let's please talk about
her case, because you got a thirty nine year old
mama that is gone missing, nobody's seen her her truck
was found in a remote part of the county.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Did you see her sisters? Did you see them on MSM?
It's gonna post later tonight to well it posted. It's
posted to MSM, and it posted to MSM immediately, of course,
but now it's it's on YouTube as well. The two sisters.
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I kept looking at them, Cheryl. They look just like
NICKI just like her, all three beautiful, stunning, articulate, smart,
loving mother of four children, Nicki McCain. They call her
Nikki Chang. That's what they call her. Her sisters called her.
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I mean, three gorgeous sisters, loving and just out of
the blue. They text back and forth all the time,
and it took them. Oh gosh, she texted them. I
guess it was a Friday night, around midnight, and on
Monday morning they've been texting back and forth and it
was Monday morning before they realized. Wait wait, wait, I
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haven't heard from her since Friday, So whatever happened got
a forty eight hour lead.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well. May seventeen is when that last tax exchange happened,
and then the truck was found May twenty fifth, again
in this remote part. But you know, Nancy, when I
watched you talk with her two sisters. Again. I tell
people all the time, there is no better advocate. You
have lived that side of it, and you lead with
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your heart on every case you have ever worked. And
here's what struck me. Just like you said, they are
very clear in what happened. They are very clear of
what did and most importantly, what did not happen. Like
they you flat ask them, would she have left her children?
And they were like, no, of course never. And that
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whole exchange between the three of you, I thought was
very powerful but also very important to anybody that's going
to investigate this case. There was a ton of victimology
in that interview.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
A lot of parents are like cats. They have the
children and then they just leave, and they just walk
off and leave that. You know, I have a lot
of friends and they're wonderful, that they're great, and they're
great parents, but they like to take time away. Nothing
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makes me more angry than when somebody says, oh, I
can't I bet you can't wait for your twins to
get away to college. I'm like, I actually feel sick
about it. I don't say that anymore. Of course, I
want them to be their own person. And you know,
follow their dreams. I would just like to be doing
it with them. I know this is not going to happen.
(12:17):
I understand that in my head, but in my heart,
I don't. But she was not one of those moms.
You know, those moms that they're happy when the children
go away to camp. And I get it. My mom
is a great mom, and I'm sure she was thrilled
when I finally got to go to four age camp
once a year, thirty seven dollars, oh for the day,
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a whole week too, Monday through Friday. But that was
not her. She would never leave those four children. And
it's routine evidence. I don't mean typical evidence. I mean
evidence of routine that was not her routine. If I
didn't show up for the crime roundup, there would be
something very wrong. Of course I'm going to be late,
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that's just a given. But I'm going to be there
come hell or high water. That's you know. That would
if I would be like me not shoving up in
the anchor chair, that has never happened. So what I'm
saying is this isn't right. She didn't take off for
a girl's weekend or me time. She's not somewhere sitting
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in one of those big vats of hot mud. That's
not happening. She's not getting massaged, she's not getting her
nails done. She's been taken or something as bad as
happened to her. And did you see where they found
her vehicle or Chevy Avalanche a huge overpass bridge and
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her vehicle was under the bridge, I mean, like really tall,
like a mountain pass type over It reminds me a
little bit of the trestle bridge in Delphi. But that's
not right, that's not right at all. And with the
husband's history of domestic abuse, I mean, Cheryl, I'm not
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calling him out yet, but I will say, when you
don't know a horse, look at his track record.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And there's no way not to look at this man.
Number one is the husband. You always look at the
husband when you've got a spouse that has gone and
gotten a protective order and then they've got a court
date coming up where you are being accused of domestic
violence and that's when she goes missing. And here's the
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other you know, big hits. This sounds like Scott Peterson
and the Missing Mom in Colorado, where you've got a
husband that does not search for them. You've got a
husband that didn't call down one one and report them missing.
You've got a husband that gave three different stories as
to where she was. Now, let's just go over these,
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miss Grace. The first reason he gave is she left
to go be with her lesbian lover. Second one, she
took an uber and left, and the third one she
left him to go to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, let me pick between those three. We've got three
choices here, take off with an ahbor and never come back,
yet he didn't report her to nine one one, take
off with his lesbian lover, there's no history of her
having a lover at all. And the third choice, go
to Vegas. She were in Vegas, we could trick her
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with her atm, her credit cards, her cell phone pings.
None of that is true. No evidence in Uber came
to her location, nothing lies. Those are all lies, which
leads me to why would he lie about it?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Exactly? And common sense tells you if I took an Uber,
then how did my truck wind up in the middle
of the county under a bridge? That didn't make any sense.
Las Vegas has got more cameras than anywhere else practically
on earth. Nobody has seen her, you said, nothing financially
is shown up, no hotel, no money. She hasn't accessed
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anything bank accounts, she hasn't called a check on the children.
She hasn't contacted her sisters, which would never occur. So, yeah,
those are three things that don't make any sense to anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, another thing, there's a lot of domestic violence going
on in the world. And, as men's rights groups love
to point out to me, me and can be domestic
violence victims too. Yeah, right, Well, about one one and
a half percent of all domestic violence victims are men.
But okay, you win, there are some. In this particular case,
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the of the domestic violence is even more disturbing. It
wasn't just a punch, As if that's not enough, It
wasn't just a slap. He bound her by her hands
and feet. He beat her horrible. He put tape over
her mouth, and after an hour's long beating, poured cold
(17:05):
water on her threatened to kill her. Now to me,
that sounds like a dry run for murder. And it
was this incident that led us to the court date
which was about to occur. When she goes missing and
she is the only witness for the state. Without her,
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there may not be a case. Now, in my mind,
there's more than one way to skin a cat to
prove that case. But that said, the reality is she
is the state's only eyewitness to that and now the
case will fall apart without her.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And that's the thing. When her sister and she were Texan,
she had told her that she was headed to her
mother in laws to take her vehicle back to the
mother in law, So she's telling them, this is where
I'm going. So possibly the last people to see her
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would be the husband and the mother in law. Possibly,
I don't know why at midnight you wouldn't be telling
the truth about where you were going.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And I questioned them very carefully about the text because
we know, in for instance, the Gabby Potito case and
others victims and I'm air quoting that have sent texts
and those texts don't sound like the victim wrote them.
Have you ever gotten text from people that are verbose?
(18:34):
Why say it in five words when you can say
it in eighty words and they'll send you a three
paragraph text. It's painful. She had a unique style to
her texting, and the sisters agreed that was her texting
around midnight the night she was driving that vehicle back
to her mother in laws. They say that was her.
(18:56):
Remember the Gabby Patito case. Brian Laundry wrote Gabby Bettito's
family and says something asked about her grandfather and referred
to him by his name. That would be like me
saying have you spoken to Elizabeth Grace my mom today?
That would never happen and so it was obviously not
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her texting. They are convinced it was her texting. Could
they be wrong? Yeah? Do I think they're wrong? No,
But that's where you start the timeline and you sharell
of all people. You have established so many timelines in cases,
that's where your investigation starts.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Absolutely, And you know, her sister, she made a Facebook
post where she said the last time she saw her
that she was terrified that her husband had used bullying, brainwashing,
and intimidation to basically, you know, just control her and
make her believe that he was untouchable. That if he
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stayed near his tribe and his people been bad, whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
To you, you know. The Shasta County District Attorney's office
moved to dismiss the case. Against the husband, the domestic
violence case against Tyler McCain. It happened. Now they reserve
the right to refile it. But that is a disturbing moment.
(20:21):
The state had to drop its case. Hey, speaking of
dropping cases, the Alec Baldwin case, which number one, I agree. Okay,
you may need to sit down for this. I do
not think that Alec Baldwin meant to shoot anyone. That
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it's not a malice murder case. Gosh, that really felt
wrong coming out of my mouth. Did to say something
is not it's murder case, but it's not. It's not
a malice murder case. It's not a voluntary I don't
think it's a voluntary I do believe it is an
involuntary manslaughter case. But whatever they decide in that jurisdiction,
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I'm watching it. But speaking of dropping cases, remember the
district attorney dropped the case against Baldwin and then refiled it.
That's never a good look because the defense can stand
up and say, listen, the state thought so little of
their case they dropped it and then felt pressure to
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refile it. Is that what happened in Baldwin's case. I
don't know that, but It's never a good look when
you drop your case. I had a mistrial once. In
the middle of my opening statement, I called a sex
trafficker pimp, which he was. He pimped out a little
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thirteen year old girl, and I got called on in
an opening statements. It wasn't untrue, but he had not
been indicted with that, so the case got thrown out.
I went straight down to the grand jury, got it
reindicted with the same felony charges plus a misdemeanor pimping charge,
and the following Thursday restruckting you jury and tried the
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case again. That said, it's never a good strategy. It's
never a good moment when the state drops case or
has the case dismissed. In this case, his domestic violence
charges were dropped because they don't have a witness. What
are you going to do?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That is just the devil at work, because again, why
is she missing if it's at his hand? How utterly
disgusting is that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Many people think it's very difficult to prove the case
without a body. I disagree. I don't think that a
defendant shoul get a gold star or an A plus
just because he can get rid of a body that said,
the husband has not been charged, she's not been named
a person of interest, and a course remains innocent and
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the eyes of Lady Justice until he's been proving guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt. Just wanted to get that in there.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, I will quote Nancy Grace once again, Oh dear,
when we were faced with something very similar, and you
told that jury don't reward him for being a good criminal.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Again, when you don't know a horse, look at his
try record. That's what he did. And that was not
just a slap in the face. That sounds like a
dry run for murder. Binding her at that wrist, the hands,
putting tape over her mouth. He said, I'm going to
kill you. And now she's gone, Wow, what a koinky dank.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And here's the other reality. She would not have left
her children. But if she had left her children to
go meet a lover, wouldn't she need her car? Wouldn't
she need her cell phone? Wouldn't she need some money?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, Cheryl, the lesbian lover was driving a Bentley. She
didn't need her car, and they went to Vegas whatt
in disguise, and they're using all cash. I mean, you
know he's just spinning out. All those things were lies.
Now a lie is not a felony. But why lie?
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Why do you have to lie about where she is?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And it's still the mother of your children. Why would
you not be looking for her when her sisters called
and said we can't reach her. Have you heard from her?
That should have sparked, Hey, wait a minute, I thought
she'd just ran off with somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You're telling me she's really missing. Remember Anna Walch, Yes,
she just quote got in an Abor and Frank, wasn't
it New Year's Day? In an Abor on New Year's
Day and just disappeared three am to go to quote
work unquote and has never been seen again.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And see, that's another thing. If she ordered an uber
that would be on her phone, that would be a
record in real time it didn't happen. And order an
uber to go where again? If you have that app,
it would show this is where I was picked up,
this is where I asked them to take me.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
There's another issue, Cheryl, the tribal lands. Cheryl. I hate
to even think about it because it gets me so
upset about the abuse, the child abuse, the domestic abuse,
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the homicides, the way women are treated according to the
little statistics that we have on tribal lands, and there's
nothing we can do about it. It's remember we couldn't
They couldn't even get a full on search of the
around the rancheria they were people were allowed to search
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within a certain disc of the casino. That's very upsetting.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Well, allegedly her husband made it clear he was bulletproof,
and he is.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know what, I like nothing more than a defendant
that says he's bulletproof. It just makes it so much more.
I mean, I try so much harder when someone is
that arrogant on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Did you see him walking into court when he flipped
off the reporter.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I tell you what Cheryl think about it. If your
child or your husband goes missing, I don't think I
could eat. I don't think I could sleep until I
found them. And he is not out looking. And I've
had many a defense attorney tell me there's no playbook
for grief. If I hear that one more time, I'm
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going to shoot my foot. Yes, there's no playbook for grief.
People react differently to all sorts of situations, But when
you're wife, the mother of your four children is missing.
So long story short, all eyes are on him. Did
he do it? Don't know. Is he a suspect. Nobody
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said that, Nobody said he's a person of interest. But
this is what I know. She's missing and she would
never do this on her own. And another thing, it
seems as if the case, the search for Nicki McCain
has been getting no traction. You know how I find
out found out about it. Somebody wrote me about it
on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I saw that and they were like, I hope Nance
Grace digs into this one. And I was like, well, honey,
Katie bought her the door, as she does because you
know it's going to be owned. But this is the
exact type of case you should be on. This is
in your wheelhouse. The case is that everybody else is
ignoring that need the most coverage. They've put up a
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local billboard. But honey, they need you, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It concerns me because if she or her body is
on tribal land, how are we going to find it.
The first thing I think they need to do is
get a warm and ping his phone. That's the first
thing they need to do, and see where he's been.
Oh yes, speaking of pinging phones? What about that? Idgit
(28:15):
Brian Cooburger, Oh yeah, what do you make of the
receipt for the Dickie's uniform? You know he's a shopaholic.
First he buys a k bar knife on Amazon and
it exactly matches the sheap that's found in the home,
but no knife. Then he has a receipt for the
(28:36):
Dickie's uniform with the tag sitting neatly on top of
the receipt. I mean, see anal compulsive maybe you know,
I'm going fast and furious. You can find a receipt
in one place, a tag somewhere else. It's a jumble,
But with him, they're sitting neatly together, one on top
of the other. And the uniform is gone, not in
(29:00):
his closet, not in his stuff, not in his car.
So why did he buy the uniform for.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What exactly a quick change, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But the self Yeah, the cell phone things. I just
wonder if a delay in handing over discovery in that
case has anything to do, and I hope it does.
I hope the state's not just dragging their feet with
them still developing the information. Are they still developing cell
phone data and video montage of where he was. I'm
(29:33):
just holding out hope that that's what they're doing, you know.
I got I read a lot of negative comments about
the author, Howard Bloom, who just wrote this new book
about Brian Coburger. I thought it was I really thought
the book was fascinating. He did so much background, intense,
intense research to write that book.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I just want to say one more thing. I wish
somebody would also say to me, well, there's no playbook
on grief when talking about Nikki Chen because my question
would be, why is he grieving unless he knows for
sure she's dead, And the only reason he would know
that is because he did it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So what do you think, Cheryl? Okay, can we just
be blunt? I think I didn't want to say it
to the sisters because they're holding out hope they're going
to find her. I think it's gosh, I hate to
say it. I think she may no longer be with us, Cheryl.
I think she's been killed.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Nancy, if you and I were sitting in See four
seventeen right now, I would absolutely tell you not only
is he a person of interest, he should be the
only person of interest.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, We can't say that, Cheryl, because the first thing
that would be said at trial is you had tunnel
vision and this is the only suspect you looked at.
And you have to keep an open field. You have
to track down all possibilities or it will bite you
in the rear end at trial. You have to. Plus,
you're trying to find the right guy, not just a guy,
(31:01):
but the right guy. So John David's here now, and
he went vagabonding around today and he came home with
a shirt that says Gallio fino and it has a
giant rooster, you know, he's like a whiz of Spanish,
and it's around a bunch of Benjamins on the bottom.
(31:23):
I says, Son, what is that? And he goes, well, Mom,
that means the rich Chicken. It's the most garish T
shirt I have ever seen. I'm like, Son, you know
that's about cock fighting, right, And he's like what. I'm like, Yes,
you're wearing a cock fighting T shirt. It's a rooster
on top of it's a rooster that looks like it
(31:44):
will attack and kill you, on top of these wads
of money. You know. The last time he came home
with it, Oh, it was my fault. I went somewhere
and you know how he loves Asian food. He actually
knows how to make Asian food. He can make his
own mochi. It's amazing. Everybody came. So I saw a
T shirt at the airport and said sin nudes, n
(32:05):
oo ds like noodles and has a teacher noodles on
the front. I think, I thought, David love Asian and
so I got in this T shirt and we I
supposed to a picture of he and I on line.
I went somebody said, you got your son a T
shirt that Sin says Sin nudes. And then of course
it hit me, mommy did not do a good job
(32:27):
that day. Neiless to say. The shirt has been retired,
just like that T shirt is going bye bye. Okay, Cheryl,
I'm on the case. Nicky McCain, We're on it.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I appreciate you so much. Bye y'all, Love you dearly.
I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the prime roundup with
Zones Heaven
Host
Sheryl McCollum
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