9.20.24 CRU with Nancy Grace: Weigh In On The Diddy Case: Federal Power, Sex Trafficking, Conspiracy
September 20, 2024 • 22 mins
Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum kick off today’s CRU by covering the disturbing allegations of Sean Combs a.k.a. Puffy, a.k.a. Puff Daddy, a.k.a. Sean Puffy Combs, a.k.a. Diddy.
Nancy shares her experiences with federal investigations and parallels Combs’ case with her past cases involving child abuse and trafficking. They discuss the intricacies of federal cases, the slow but powerful buildup of evidence, and the RICO charges brought against Combs.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:15) Nancy kicks off the episode with a comparison between Sean Combs and other cases
- (3:35) Federal indictment details
- (6:00) The role of witnesses and co-conspirators
- (8:00) The complexity of RICO charges
- (10:00) “Freak offs” and the role of drugs in Sean’s alleged crimes
- (14:30) The statute of limitations and challenges in prosecuting past crimes
- (17:00) The emotional weight of witnessing power abuse in celebrity cases
- (20:10) Upcoming cases and personal anecdotes
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the crime Round Up, y'all. Today we've got
the one and only Nancy Grace as always good morning,
good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
But can I just say, I've got so many cases
in my mind they're just colliding. We've got, as I
call them, Sean Combs aka Puffy aka Puffy Daddy aka
Shawn Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka Love. I mean, really,
(00:40):
one thousand bottles of baby oil. I don't know that
I would call that love one thousand bottles of baby oil.
And it brought back a memory. It's tricky when your
memories are felony related instead of like, oh, I remember
at Christmas open so and soide of the Christmas tree.
I had this little boyerl He was I want to
(01:02):
say nine, but it could have been eleven, and he
was learning disabled. He the only thing he really really
loved was video games at the arcade. And one day
his mother found like a twenty dollars bill folded up,
(01:23):
you know, folded up in a very small square in
his pocket. She went up, what is this? Well, as
it turned out, a guy who some people thought was handsome,
not me, of course, married children, big exec at some corporation.
I want to say, like Bell South, but like Bell South.
(01:44):
And he would go to the arcade and give the
little boy, who could barely communicate, a role of quarters
and then commit side of me on him anal sex
and would then give him a roll of cords or
a twenty dollar bill. The kid was nine, And when
(02:07):
the defendant's home was rated, they found jars of vasoline,
kitty porn, and you know, Chris twenty dollar bills by
his bed, you know, in his bed bedside table. So
in my mind immediately went back to that. Now here's
(02:28):
the difference. Diddy Comes has money. Some people say up
to a billion, as in brother be his and brother
billion dollars. That's the only thing that sets him apart
from that poc that I prosecuted. I remember a thirteen
year old little girl. It was my first sex trafficking case.
(02:48):
Then we just called it statutory rape. But she was
trafficked to a boatload of men. Her pimps. One was
named Lucky. He wasn't Lucky by the time I finished.
And some other guy I can't remember his name. Comes
is no better than them. When I look at coms,
that's what I see a lot of people see. All
of his fur coats and all of his bleeding around
(03:11):
his neck and his diamond pinky ring, and him out
on a yacht and all of his girlfriends and designer clothes.
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You're so right, because when you think of a pimp,
you know, they use the track to stroll, the blade,
they call it. He can't do that, so his mansion
becomes the track. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The brutality. Do you know what I learned. I can't
take any credit. It was just simply, very carefully coming
through that multi page federal indictment. I told you the
Feds don't play. They don't put a toe in the water,
not a little toe until they have boxes and boxes
and boxes rooms full of boxes of evidence. I mean paper.
(03:58):
I was a fed cheryl before you me. Three years.
I was in the feral system and it drove me
insane because they weren't fast enough. You know. I don't
even like people to talk slowly. Yes, the other day
somebody said, is she drunk? No, I was trying to
have a thought. I'm trying to speak and think at
(04:20):
the same time. It works sometimes, but it would drive
me crazy because it would take months and months and
months sometimes years. Of course, I was making and I
trust in consumer protection cases, but those are, you know, complicated.
But long story short, they don't move an inch until
(04:41):
they've got you dead in the water. So everybody was like,
why is it taking so long? Because that's the way
the feds are. Just accept it and go with it
and be glad, be glad, they've got all the evidence amassed.
But I was reading the indictment and it said that
he would viciously beat the women, sometimes so badly they
(05:07):
would have to put them away, like in remote locations.
I mean, I thought of a mountain cabin, but it
said remote locations so they could recuperate and heal before
they could go out in public again. Beaten that badly,
and everybody just stood by filmed it for Pete's sake. Freaks.
They're freaks just like him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And listen, that's something I wanted to ask you about.
I think whoever talks first is going to get the deal.
Some of these gonna be on the hook too, because
they did stand by, they helped film it. They went
and got these victims and brought them to him.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Who had baby oil duty. I want that mf to
go down. I do too. Somebody. They even had these okay,
hold them. They called them freak coughs. That's certainly putting
perfume on the pig. What it was was days on, one, two, three,
four days of straight drugging women, many of them did
(06:05):
not know they were being drugged. Then Comes would bring
in fly in professional sex workers to have sex quote
e quote rape the women who were drugged, beat them,
coerce them, threatened them if they didn't have sex with
the professional sex worker while somebody else videoed it and
(06:30):
Comes either videoed it or masturbated or just sat there
and watched. Somebody had to set up those lights, Somebody
had to get all that video equipment. Somebody had to
fly in all those sex workers. So this is what's
interesting about being a fed A. You've got incredible power
and you have vast, vast resources at your fingertips. People
(06:50):
would always talk about the power of state. You know
what that was for me, Cheryl, Well, you do. It
would be me am I beat up Toyota or my
beat up Honda, which would smoke from under the hood
like all the time and out hiding behind my wheel
in my car. So somebody could see me before I
jumped out with a subpoena at them. You know, that's
(07:13):
the power of the state at my level. But the Feds, man,
they have a lot of resources, and it was interesting
Cheryl when the raid went down at his mansion, which
is where apparently they found all that baby oil thousands
of bottles. Okay, but I was very intrigued by their
(07:36):
search warrant I obtained for the hotel, the Luxe hotel,
because it wanted information who visited Combs while he was there,
What were there? What cars were they driving with their
tag numbers? What I want to see the phone calls
made EUI of the room. I want to see the
(07:57):
room service orders, everything. I'm like, why do they care?
They wanted to know which I'm deducing. I didn't read this.
Who were the best boys, Who were the delivery boys
that went in and out? What did they deliver for?
How many people? Because some of the free coughs would
take place at a hotel, So they're trying to nail
(08:20):
down every witness. I'm leading up to something because the
FEDS love nothing better than our rico A conspiracy, rico racketeering,
organized crime prosecution is not just a predicate act, which is,
let's just say as far as is a reserve for
the mob started with a mob, let's just say a murder,
that's your predicate act. But then which is a state offense.
(08:43):
But you take that offense and you spin it into
a conspiracy where the Godfather that's an archaic term, the
god that means out of date, Cheryl, the Godfather that
was for you, the Godfather would control. Of course it's constantlyaries,
(09:03):
but many many, many hundreds of people beneath them. It
was an enterprise, a conspiracy. The point is that's what
you see in the indictment because they are claiming that
all of these people, assistants, bodyguards, secretaries, administrative assistants, all
(09:25):
these people are now going to be unnamed co conspirators
who you know, are going to write out and testify
to save their own skin.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know, he had the three AK forty seven's, well,
the serial numbers were obliterated. He had drugs there, there's
evidence with the videotapes of the sex workers. If that
ain't organized crime, I don't know what is. And you know,
good and well, Sean Combs is not the one going
out and buying the drugs. He has people doing that
for him. So all these personal assistants, these quote security
(10:03):
guards he has around him, the household staff, Nancy, there
was evidence all over that house of what was happening.
There's no chance they didn't know it. They were directly
involved with it. That's how the thing, you know, all
the items and the people got to the mansion and
the hotels in the first place.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Cheryl, I want to be clear about something. This ain't
your good old fashioned orgy. Okay, that's not what we're
talking about. Do I want to be part of it?
I'll just state pubably no, I don't. And if David
Lynch had anything to do with it, oh yeah, you
go missing. Okay, what happened to him? He just said
(10:48):
he's going out to get his laundry anyway. I don't
care again, not the church lady, do whatever you want,
but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking
about women beaten. Hey, you know what a video speaks
a thousand words. What about that video of Cassieve Interira
(11:09):
getting dragged down the hall a public hallway at a hotel, beaten,
kicked viciously, A grown man out in the hallway and
nothing but a table. He feels that powerful, that free,
that that's okay in his mind. Then he takes this
expensive vase and throws it and breaks it, and then
(11:30):
he tries to bribe the hotel staff so they don't
tell anybody or don't release the video. Think about it.
If he would do that in an open public hallway
of a hotel, what will he do behind closed doors? Beat? Rape, drug,
threaten people with their careers? You know, I've seen so
(11:51):
many women that were raped, including forced into sex by
lawyers domestic like divorce custody lawyers. It's just when you're
in that position, the woman has no power. And that's
what we're talking about. That not consensual sex.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Correct, And you and I have worked plenty of cases
of FIB and I will just tell the folks that
are listening what you just described is what gorilla pimps use.
They call it seasoning. When they manipulate and intimidate, they
will gang assault, they will be they will isolate, they
will manipulate, they will hold somebody hostage, all in order
(12:34):
to break that victim down to ensure complete compliance. That's
what you see him doing. He had medical records that
he would blackmail with allegedly, he then has these videotapes
during the freak Offs where he says, hey, you don't
have complete loyalty to me, I'm going to release this
video tape. And many of them allegedly did not even
(12:58):
know they were being videotaped, so he was ruling with
an iron fist. Absolutely, And don't forget he originally called
himself puff daddy, and daddy is a term that most
pimps will incorporate.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, Eily, my friend Ely says, do you think
they're going to call j Loo? Okay? Now that opened
the Pandora's box. She is probably like, that is the
last thing. Yeah, she needs right now is a federal
subpoena on top of everything else that you know she's juggling. Yeah,
(13:34):
what is wrong with Ben Affleck? Why does he always
look so miserable? I don't get it. The man's a millionaire,
he had Jennifer Garner, he had j Loo, He's got
these beautiful children, he's healthy. I would say, some people
think he's good looking, he's talented. Why does he was
so glum anyway? That don't care, go be glum, but
(13:58):
miserable He reminds me of a character in You know,
maybe it's going too deep, Cheryl, but you know Narnia,
the Books of Narnia. There's like seven or eight books.
I've read every single one, word for word to the twins.
But there was okay, Pete, yes, you read it too. Okay,
there was a character named Glum Puddle affleck Is. Anyway,
(14:22):
j Loo has her own other problems. Last thing, she
needs the federal subpoena coming her way to describe. What
would it be regarding similar transactions? Method of operation, modus operandi,
course of conduct, scheme, frame of mind? How long has
he been doing this? A long time? Thank goodness, she
got out, but many others didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Decades, decades. And I'll tell you something. Now that he's
being held without bail, other victims will feel comfortable coming
forward because he's locked up.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We got one problem, sare, here's a problem sol statute
to limitations, because there's a lot of these things happened
past the statute of limitations. And yes, now with sex trafficking,
the statute of limitations requirement has been lifted. However, it
cannot revive a case where the statute has already passed
(15:15):
I believe it was twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.
This happened. Statute of limitations, there's a statue limitation on
every crime except murder. However, in certain cases, you know,
for instance, in child wand station cases, sometimes the statute
starts running when the child turns eighteen, or it can
(15:40):
start tolling in some cases when it's been a past
memory recollect and now recollected. Something you push down that
you can't remember. And I, for the longest time thought
that was BS. But frankly, Cheryl, as I've told you privately,
there's big chunks of time around my fiance. I don't remember.
(16:02):
People go, hey, remember when we I'm like, nope, do
not remember. Tell me, tell me, tell me what happened.
I don't remember it. I don't understand that. I'm not
a shrink. But point is, there may be some statute
limitations issues. The FEDS might get around this. This is
going deep, deep deaf con for by tolling it from
(16:23):
the last Predicate Act. That's too confusing. Let's get out
of the weeds and get out of the law and
get back in the facts. Puffy going down there, that's
the fact he.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Is going down because, honey, they got everything from sex
trafficking to kidnapping, to briberies and narcotics to arson to fraud.
They like you said, they have built a.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Case, an incredible case. And the thing one thing I
like about it is they've got all these enablers. That's
one way of putting it. Codefendance is the way I
like to put it. But they can turn those people
into witnesses. And I'm not saying asking them to create
a fantasy story for the federal government. I'm asking them
(17:07):
to just tell the truth or you know what, Fine,
charge them. I don't have any problem with that, and
try them all together. Let them sitting there and steal
in the same pot. I love trying code defendits together.
I love the way they look at each other all
the way during the trial, like screw you, why did
you do that? Idiot? You know, I just love trying
code efendits together. But yeah, that'll fix it. I love that.
(17:32):
Now here's one thing when negative about the Feds. They
had to act. They were forced to act when Cassi
Venturer's tape came out because they would look like nothing
but a toothless tiger. A house cat, for Pete's sake,
that's not fit to go outside because it doesn't have
any claws. This has been going on for a long time,
(17:56):
and they did nothing, as did the States. Nothing. Why
because he's rich, he's famous. It's diddy, you know what,
screw him and the horse he rode in on.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's right. And Nancy, there are people that have been
telling all the laundry. Fifty Cent's been telling it. Kat
William's been telling it. They said, this has been going
on for decades. It was like this known secret. Well,
now the lids off this Penny baby.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So they had to act, Cheryl, And I'm not glad
that they basically got backed into it, but I'm very
glad they've acted because they could have just turned the
other way. They could have They could have done that
and we would never have known why. But they're acting,
and they're acting now, and they've built an incredible case,
(18:48):
a very intricate web. Why do I say that, You know,
like Gulliver's Travels. You know that's a book, Cheryl, not
just a movie with Jack Black. The I believe they're
the Liliputians. Very tiny people tied him down with many, many,
many tiny ropes. To them, he was a giant like
(19:13):
to me and you, it'd be a well, a great white.
They tied him down with all these ropes. And that's
what the fees have done. They've got the assistant, they've
got the bodyguard, they've got the administrator, they've got the secretary,
they've got the lighting guy, the video guy, the drug meal,
the guy that arranged all the pimps, the manager that
(19:35):
They've got all these witnesses. And if they don't want
to talk, fine, try them throw them in the same
pot and let them steal.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I'm like you, the witness list potentially could be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I can't wait, Mary j Blige, j Low.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, there's tons of folks that had intimate knowledge
of the way he behaved, and I think it's going
to be incredible. I appreciate you well.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I hate your guts, girl. I love you. I love
you way back. When wait a minute, wait a minute,
it's something else. When is Delphi starting, Cheryl? We might
have to go back on the road.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I think we need to head up there, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
When When is it?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think it's October?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I thought October too, but I haven't heard anything in
the last few days. What's happening.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, I know I'm talking to Susan Hendrix in about
twenty minutes, so I'll ask her and I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh, I'm just one of many. I feel special.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, she means nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know that she's listening right now. She's there. But
you're number one. How many guys actually get away with
that saying you're my favorite? Ladies? Please don't do that. Please,
You're better than that. You're so much better than that.
So do you think it's still going in October? I'm
(20:59):
very disappointed. I'm not going to hear the Oldness defense
that the worshippers of the Norse God did it. I
can wait to watch the A lot of times when
I tell the twins or David is something like crazy,
I want okay, everybody still have got to look at
their face when they hear this and everything gets silent,
and I tell them to stare at them. I wanted
to watch that jury when they heard the defense the
(21:20):
Oldness did it. Oh, yeah, they tried the Norse God worshippers.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I was waiting on that. I wonder what they'll do. Oh,
I know what they're going to do, and I have
to wonder too long. They're going to blame all the
people that the state investigated, and then get the state's
files on those investigations and take that scripe metal and
turn it into bullets and fire it right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Back, right back.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's what's going to happen. They're gonna blame everybody the
state investigated, and that will be their defense. Not a bad,
not a bad. I hate to give me any ideas,
because if they were going to go with odinism, I
don't know how deeply they're thinking. Anyway, we shall see
miss laid.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, indeed, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I'm driving. I'm driving. You're a shotgun. I can't take
your driving. And I'll get us there quick. That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
That is the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We'll make good time and no smoking. And it's country
music all the way. Don't start anything. I might take
a little bit of wrap, but not much country and
wrap nothing else. If you put on pop, I'm putting
you out of the car. No p Diddy, no none
of that. And whatever you do, do not say the
(22:32):
word soft rot to me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Okay, well, no sex and the Porsche okay.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Okay, I wasn't gonna say that, but you said that.
That's on you. Bye bye,
Welcome to the crime Round Up, y'all. Today we've got
the one and only Nancy Grace as always good morning,
good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
But can I just say, I've got so many cases
in my mind they're just colliding. We've got, as I
call them, Sean Combs aka Puffy aka Puffy Daddy aka
Shawn Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka Love. I mean, really,
(00:40):
one thousand bottles of baby oil. I don't know that
I would call that love one thousand bottles of baby oil.
And it brought back a memory. It's tricky when your
memories are felony related instead of like, oh, I remember
at Christmas open so and soide of the Christmas tree.
I had this little boyerl He was I want to
(01:02):
say nine, but it could have been eleven, and he
was learning disabled. He the only thing he really really
loved was video games at the arcade. And one day
his mother found like a twenty dollars bill folded up,
(01:23):
you know, folded up in a very small square in
his pocket. She went up, what is this? Well, as
it turned out, a guy who some people thought was handsome,
not me, of course, married children, big exec at some corporation.
I want to say, like Bell South, but like Bell South.
(01:44):
And he would go to the arcade and give the
little boy, who could barely communicate, a role of quarters
and then commit side of me on him anal sex
and would then give him a roll of cords or
a twenty dollar bill. The kid was nine, And when
(02:07):
the defendant's home was rated, they found jars of vasoline,
kitty porn, and you know, Chris twenty dollar bills by
his bed, you know, in his bed bedside table. So
in my mind immediately went back to that. Now here's
(02:28):
the difference. Diddy Comes has money. Some people say up
to a billion, as in brother be his and brother
billion dollars. That's the only thing that sets him apart
from that poc that I prosecuted. I remember a thirteen
year old little girl. It was my first sex trafficking case.
(02:48):
Then we just called it statutory rape. But she was
trafficked to a boatload of men. Her pimps. One was
named Lucky. He wasn't Lucky by the time I finished.
And some other guy I can't remember his name. Comes
is no better than them. When I look at coms,
that's what I see a lot of people see. All
of his fur coats and all of his bleeding around
(03:11):
his neck and his diamond pinky ring, and him out
on a yacht and all of his girlfriends and designer clothes.
Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You're so right, because when you think of a pimp,
you know, they use the track to stroll, the blade,
they call it. He can't do that, so his mansion
becomes the track. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The brutality. Do you know what I learned. I can't
take any credit. It was just simply, very carefully coming
through that multi page federal indictment. I told you the
Feds don't play. They don't put a toe in the water,
not a little toe until they have boxes and boxes
and boxes rooms full of boxes of evidence. I mean paper.
(03:58):
I was a fed cheryl before you me. Three years.
I was in the feral system and it drove me
insane because they weren't fast enough. You know. I don't
even like people to talk slowly. Yes, the other day
somebody said, is she drunk? No, I was trying to
have a thought. I'm trying to speak and think at
(04:20):
the same time. It works sometimes, but it would drive
me crazy because it would take months and months and
months sometimes years. Of course, I was making and I
trust in consumer protection cases, but those are, you know, complicated.
But long story short, they don't move an inch until
(04:41):
they've got you dead in the water. So everybody was like,
why is it taking so long? Because that's the way
the feds are. Just accept it and go with it
and be glad, be glad, they've got all the evidence amassed.
But I was reading the indictment and it said that
he would viciously beat the women, sometimes so badly they
(05:07):
would have to put them away, like in remote locations.
I mean, I thought of a mountain cabin, but it
said remote locations so they could recuperate and heal before
they could go out in public again. Beaten that badly,
and everybody just stood by filmed it for Pete's sake. Freaks.
They're freaks just like him.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And listen, that's something I wanted to ask you about.
I think whoever talks first is going to get the deal.
Some of these gonna be on the hook too, because
they did stand by, they helped film it. They went
and got these victims and brought them to him.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Who had baby oil duty. I want that mf to
go down. I do too. Somebody. They even had these okay,
hold them. They called them freak coughs. That's certainly putting
perfume on the pig. What it was was days on, one, two, three,
four days of straight drugging women, many of them did
(06:05):
not know they were being drugged. Then Comes would bring
in fly in professional sex workers to have sex quote
e quote rape the women who were drugged, beat them,
coerce them, threatened them if they didn't have sex with
the professional sex worker while somebody else videoed it and
(06:30):
Comes either videoed it or masturbated or just sat there
and watched. Somebody had to set up those lights, Somebody
had to get all that video equipment. Somebody had to
fly in all those sex workers. So this is what's
interesting about being a fed A. You've got incredible power
and you have vast, vast resources at your fingertips. People
(06:50):
would always talk about the power of state. You know
what that was for me, Cheryl, Well, you do. It
would be me am I beat up Toyota or my
beat up Honda, which would smoke from under the hood
like all the time and out hiding behind my wheel
in my car. So somebody could see me before I
jumped out with a subpoena at them. You know, that's
(07:13):
the power of the state at my level. But the Feds, man,
they have a lot of resources, and it was interesting
Cheryl when the raid went down at his mansion, which
is where apparently they found all that baby oil thousands
of bottles. Okay, but I was very intrigued by their
(07:36):
search warrant I obtained for the hotel, the Luxe hotel,
because it wanted information who visited Combs while he was there,
What were there? What cars were they driving with their
tag numbers? What I want to see the phone calls
made EUI of the room. I want to see the
(07:57):
room service orders, everything. I'm like, why do they care?
They wanted to know which I'm deducing. I didn't read this.
Who were the best boys, Who were the delivery boys
that went in and out? What did they deliver for?
How many people? Because some of the free coughs would
take place at a hotel, So they're trying to nail
(08:20):
down every witness. I'm leading up to something because the
FEDS love nothing better than our rico A conspiracy, rico racketeering,
organized crime prosecution is not just a predicate act, which is,
let's just say as far as is a reserve for
the mob started with a mob, let's just say a murder,
that's your predicate act. But then which is a state offense.
(08:43):
But you take that offense and you spin it into
a conspiracy where the Godfather that's an archaic term, the
god that means out of date, Cheryl, the Godfather that
was for you, the Godfather would control. Of course it's constantlyaries,
(09:03):
but many many, many hundreds of people beneath them. It
was an enterprise, a conspiracy. The point is that's what
you see in the indictment because they are claiming that
all of these people, assistants, bodyguards, secretaries, administrative assistants, all
(09:25):
these people are now going to be unnamed co conspirators
who you know, are going to write out and testify
to save their own skin.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You know, he had the three AK forty seven's, well,
the serial numbers were obliterated. He had drugs there, there's
evidence with the videotapes of the sex workers. If that
ain't organized crime, I don't know what is. And you know,
good and well, Sean Combs is not the one going
out and buying the drugs. He has people doing that
for him. So all these personal assistants, these quote security
(10:03):
guards he has around him, the household staff, Nancy, there
was evidence all over that house of what was happening.
There's no chance they didn't know it. They were directly
involved with it. That's how the thing, you know, all
the items and the people got to the mansion and
the hotels in the first place.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Cheryl, I want to be clear about something. This ain't
your good old fashioned orgy. Okay, that's not what we're
talking about. Do I want to be part of it?
I'll just state pubably no, I don't. And if David
Lynch had anything to do with it, oh yeah, you
go missing. Okay, what happened to him? He just said
(10:48):
he's going out to get his laundry anyway. I don't
care again, not the church lady, do whatever you want,
but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking
about women beaten. Hey, you know what a video speaks
a thousand words. What about that video of Cassieve Interira
(11:09):
getting dragged down the hall a public hallway at a hotel, beaten,
kicked viciously, A grown man out in the hallway and
nothing but a table. He feels that powerful, that free,
that that's okay in his mind. Then he takes this
expensive vase and throws it and breaks it, and then
(11:30):
he tries to bribe the hotel staff so they don't
tell anybody or don't release the video. Think about it.
If he would do that in an open public hallway
of a hotel, what will he do behind closed doors? Beat? Rape, drug,
threaten people with their careers? You know, I've seen so
(11:51):
many women that were raped, including forced into sex by
lawyers domestic like divorce custody lawyers. It's just when you're
in that position, the woman has no power. And that's
what we're talking about. That not consensual sex.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Correct, And you and I have worked plenty of cases
of FIB and I will just tell the folks that
are listening what you just described is what gorilla pimps use.
They call it seasoning. When they manipulate and intimidate, they
will gang assault, they will be they will isolate, they
will manipulate, they will hold somebody hostage, all in order
(12:34):
to break that victim down to ensure complete compliance. That's
what you see him doing. He had medical records that
he would blackmail with allegedly, he then has these videotapes
during the freak Offs where he says, hey, you don't
have complete loyalty to me, I'm going to release this
video tape. And many of them allegedly did not even
(12:58):
know they were being videotaped, so he was ruling with
an iron fist. Absolutely, And don't forget he originally called
himself puff daddy, and daddy is a term that most
pimps will incorporate.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, Eily, my friend Ely says, do you think
they're going to call j Loo? Okay? Now that opened
the Pandora's box. She is probably like, that is the
last thing. Yeah, she needs right now is a federal
subpoena on top of everything else that you know she's juggling. Yeah,
(13:34):
what is wrong with Ben Affleck? Why does he always
look so miserable? I don't get it. The man's a millionaire,
he had Jennifer Garner, he had j Loo, He's got
these beautiful children, he's healthy. I would say, some people
think he's good looking, he's talented. Why does he was
so glum anyway? That don't care, go be glum, but
(13:58):
miserable He reminds me of a character in You know,
maybe it's going too deep, Cheryl, but you know Narnia,
the Books of Narnia. There's like seven or eight books.
I've read every single one, word for word to the twins.
But there was okay, Pete, yes, you read it too. Okay,
there was a character named Glum Puddle affleck Is. Anyway,
(14:22):
j Loo has her own other problems. Last thing, she
needs the federal subpoena coming her way to describe. What
would it be regarding similar transactions? Method of operation, modus operandi,
course of conduct, scheme, frame of mind? How long has
he been doing this? A long time? Thank goodness, she
got out, but many others didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Decades, decades. And I'll tell you something. Now that he's
being held without bail, other victims will feel comfortable coming
forward because he's locked up.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We got one problem, sare, here's a problem sol statute
to limitations, because there's a lot of these things happened
past the statute of limitations. And yes, now with sex trafficking,
the statute of limitations requirement has been lifted. However, it
cannot revive a case where the statute has already passed
(15:15):
I believe it was twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three.
This happened. Statute of limitations, there's a statue limitation on
every crime except murder. However, in certain cases, you know,
for instance, in child wand station cases, sometimes the statute
starts running when the child turns eighteen, or it can
(15:40):
start tolling in some cases when it's been a past
memory recollect and now recollected. Something you push down that
you can't remember. And I, for the longest time thought
that was BS. But frankly, Cheryl, as I've told you privately,
there's big chunks of time around my fiance. I don't remember.
(16:02):
People go, hey, remember when we I'm like, nope, do
not remember. Tell me, tell me, tell me what happened.
I don't remember it. I don't understand that. I'm not
a shrink. But point is, there may be some statute
limitations issues. The FEDS might get around this. This is
going deep, deep deaf con for by tolling it from
(16:23):
the last Predicate Act. That's too confusing. Let's get out
of the weeds and get out of the law and
get back in the facts. Puffy going down there, that's
the fact he.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Is going down because, honey, they got everything from sex
trafficking to kidnapping, to briberies and narcotics to arson to fraud.
They like you said, they have built a.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Case, an incredible case. And the thing one thing I
like about it is they've got all these enablers. That's
one way of putting it. Codefendance is the way I
like to put it. But they can turn those people
into witnesses. And I'm not saying asking them to create
a fantasy story for the federal government. I'm asking them
(17:07):
to just tell the truth or you know what, Fine,
charge them. I don't have any problem with that, and
try them all together. Let them sitting there and steal
in the same pot. I love trying code defendits together.
I love the way they look at each other all
the way during the trial, like screw you, why did
you do that? Idiot? You know, I just love trying
code efendits together. But yeah, that'll fix it. I love that.
(17:32):
Now here's one thing when negative about the Feds. They
had to act. They were forced to act when Cassi
Venturer's tape came out because they would look like nothing
but a toothless tiger. A house cat, for Pete's sake,
that's not fit to go outside because it doesn't have
any claws. This has been going on for a long time,
(17:56):
and they did nothing, as did the States. Nothing. Why
because he's rich, he's famous. It's diddy, you know what,
screw him and the horse he rode in on.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's right. And Nancy, there are people that have been
telling all the laundry. Fifty Cent's been telling it. Kat
William's been telling it. They said, this has been going
on for decades. It was like this known secret. Well,
now the lids off this Penny baby.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So they had to act, Cheryl, And I'm not glad
that they basically got backed into it, but I'm very
glad they've acted because they could have just turned the
other way. They could have They could have done that
and we would never have known why. But they're acting,
and they're acting now, and they've built an incredible case,
(18:48):
a very intricate web. Why do I say that, You know,
like Gulliver's Travels. You know that's a book, Cheryl, not
just a movie with Jack Black. The I believe they're
the Liliputians. Very tiny people tied him down with many, many,
many tiny ropes. To them, he was a giant like
(19:13):
to me and you, it'd be a well, a great white.
They tied him down with all these ropes. And that's
what the fees have done. They've got the assistant, they've
got the bodyguard, they've got the administrator, they've got the secretary,
they've got the lighting guy, the video guy, the drug meal,
the guy that arranged all the pimps, the manager that
(19:35):
They've got all these witnesses. And if they don't want
to talk, fine, try them throw them in the same
pot and let them steal.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I'm like you, the witness list potentially could be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I can't wait, Mary j Blige, j Low.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I mean, there's tons of folks that had intimate knowledge
of the way he behaved, and I think it's going
to be incredible. I appreciate you well.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I hate your guts, girl. I love you. I love
you way back. When wait a minute, wait a minute,
it's something else. When is Delphi starting, Cheryl? We might
have to go back on the road.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I think we need to head up there, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
When When is it?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think it's October?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I thought October too, but I haven't heard anything in
the last few days. What's happening.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, I know I'm talking to Susan Hendrix in about
twenty minutes, so I'll ask her and I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh, I'm just one of many. I feel special.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, she means nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know that she's listening right now. She's there. But
you're number one. How many guys actually get away with
that saying you're my favorite? Ladies? Please don't do that. Please,
You're better than that. You're so much better than that.
So do you think it's still going in October? I'm
(20:59):
very disappointed. I'm not going to hear the Oldness defense
that the worshippers of the Norse God did it. I
can wait to watch the A lot of times when
I tell the twins or David is something like crazy,
I want okay, everybody still have got to look at
their face when they hear this and everything gets silent,
and I tell them to stare at them. I wanted
to watch that jury when they heard the defense the
(21:20):
Oldness did it. Oh, yeah, they tried the Norse God worshippers.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I was waiting on that. I wonder what they'll do. Oh,
I know what they're going to do, and I have
to wonder too long. They're going to blame all the
people that the state investigated, and then get the state's
files on those investigations and take that scripe metal and
turn it into bullets and fire it right.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Back, right back.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's what's going to happen. They're gonna blame everybody the
state investigated, and that will be their defense. Not a bad,
not a bad. I hate to give me any ideas,
because if they were going to go with odinism, I
don't know how deeply they're thinking. Anyway, we shall see
miss laid.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, indeed, I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I'm driving. I'm driving. You're a shotgun. I can't take
your driving. And I'll get us there quick. That's the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
That is the truth.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We'll make good time and no smoking. And it's country
music all the way. Don't start anything. I might take
a little bit of wrap, but not much country and
wrap nothing else. If you put on pop, I'm putting
you out of the car. No p Diddy, no none
of that. And whatever you do, do not say the
(22:32):
word soft rot to me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Okay, well, no sex and the Porsche okay.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Okay, I wasn't gonna say that, but you said that.
That's on you. Bye bye,
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