September 27, 2024 • 22 mins
Today, Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum dive into legal strategies, courtroom stories, and the upcoming trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs. They draw comparisons between Combs' case and the unresolved Ghislaine Maxwell situation, highlighting the potential involvement of powerful figures. Nancy and Sheryl also reflect on a resurfaced moment when Mike Tyson confronted Combs, and the revelation of an 11th accuser speaking out against him.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:20) Nancy's flashback to court mornings
- (3:30) The Rolodex revelation
- (7:00) Comparison of Combs’ trial to the unresolved Ghislaine Maxwell case
- (10:00) ‘Reportedly’ by Kim Porter
- (12:30) Victims coming forward in case
- (14:00) Gloria Allred's speaks out
- (18:00) Combs laywers legal strategy
- (23:00) Legal strategies with mental health
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Crumb Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and
I am joined as always with the one and only
Nancy Grays.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, good morning, good morning. You know you know
what I just just at the moment I was saying
good morning, I had a flashback. Okay for me, it
sounds like a bad flashback, but it's not. Okay, I
had a flashback where first thing in the morning I
would have to be in court. Now I've told you
this part before. I never had any money, even though
(00:38):
I had two night jobs, right, I taught you two
jobs in Georgia. What did I teach? I taught business
law because you know, I had worked at the Federal
Trade Commission, and I taught in the undergrad trial strategy
and technique, I think it's what they called it in
the law school at both at night and the DA's
(01:00):
office during the day. Okay, So I would get there
in the morning, I still had no money. I could
not pay. I never had a dollar bill for coffee
never ever, ever, so i'd have to go in and
mootch it off. The judges chambers and the judge's secretary
would totally give me the stink because you know, I'm
(01:23):
sure everybody else is pitching in beside me. When I
would go to the grocery store, I would buy Houston
a coffee or creamer or something because I could put
it on a credit card, right, you know, I would
take that about every couple of weeks, you know, is
that what peace offering? But anyway, usually to avoid the embarrassment,
I would go into court with no coffee. I just
(01:45):
have some water at the water fountain, so it would
be first thing in the morning. Imagine going in front
of jewelry and having to think with any coffee, any tea, anything.
And so of course, as you know, we are waiting
for a hurricane to hit. And I've had one swallow
(02:06):
of tea before you.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Said, ry, oh, here we go, and I had the
flashback of you know, they had those swinging doors, those
swoosh stores that wouldn't make any noise, you know, when
somebody would come in and out of court, I'd swing
those swoosh doors and I won't be feeling like hell
on wheels and everybody turn around and go, oh, hell, here.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Here we go speaking to hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Here she comes, and this is just enough. Right here
Sean comes. I guess that's what you want to talk about.
You know, you want to talk about him a little
too much, Cheryl. And you always ask me the details
of the free coughs. Why, Okay, well listen, but that said,
go ahead, speaking of things she does now that she
(02:56):
brought off the free coughs.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Nancy exactly without coffee or key.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I had kind of this thing popping my head too,
this memory. And you may or may not remember this,
but you taught me something I used to love a rolodex.
I loved it to put the person's name and phone
number and address, of course, but you could also put
little notes, like to remind you whether it was a
(03:22):
birthday or some type of the anniversary or something unique
to that person. Well, I don't have a great handwriting,
and sometimes that wasn't the best thing for me to
try to write a whole bunch of stuff. I was
in your office.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You had the biggest rolodex.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
As I've ever seen in my life, and one day
you were trying to contact somebody and you spun that
thing like a ferris wheel. And what I noticed you
had taken the actual business card of people and stapled
it right onto the card instead of transferring it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I did not have time to write anything down. It's
too busy trying to write. You know. I found oh,
you know, do you remember Clint Rutcker.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh, of course he.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He tried the big teacher cheating scandal.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's all over the Nationalist and then he helped try
he's either sole league or oh counsel on texts, what
is that guy that killed his wife?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The rich guy killed his wife? Did a giant basically
yard selled some mcgiver a fancy boutique text McIver. The partner,
I guess was a King of Spalding. Who I bet
they were proud. The other day Clint Rutger had been
going through because you know, it was either moving offices
(04:47):
or something. He found like fifty or sixty of my
opening and closing statements hand written Cheryl, of course, stuck
in one of his boxes. I don't know why they
were in his boxes, but he's probably been using them.
I'd like to write everything out word for word, for
(05:08):
openings and clothings. Of course I wouldn't read, but I
think writing it out helped me remember it. But I
did not have time to write anything on a Rolodex
card Well.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Clint Rutger, you know, he's one of those folks that
I bonded with pretty quick, but mostly because both of
our families from Vienna, Georgia. So we had such a
good time talking about you know, summers spent there with
grandparents at all.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Why can't people understand it's Vienna, Georgia, in Vienna in Europe.
I don't understand their problem. I tell you everyone, Actually
we don't know how to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But you know that Rolodex. Getting back to puff Daddy,
it's the power. The power people I think that are
going to eventually be connected and named because you think
of that rolodand nowadays it's that cell phone. But think
who is in that cell phone of his and his
assistance and his bodyguards. I mean, I think it's going
(06:09):
to be who's who of witnesses when this thing goes
to trial.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well here's the other thing, speaking of Relodex or a
little black book or a cell phone data point. You know,
we never did get that quote little black book from
Gilain Maxwell. That never happened. So I'm just wondering will
we ever ever get it wasn't public and if the
(06:35):
fats haven't they're not doing anything with it on apstain, but.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I think in order to convict Diddy, they're going to
have to call some people.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, they've got all his compatriots that are they're not
listed by name, but they are in the indictment. Assistance, bodyguards, producers.
I mean, they would produce the free comps, Sheryl. It's
not like they just go everybody's start having sex with
each other. Well, that's not the way to put it.
They were raping each other. They were raping the women.
(07:03):
But I understand that all of them are named generally
in the indictment, not specifically yet. We won't know that
until we see the list of witnesses, which I'm sure
the state has but they haven't released yet. I was
just thinking about these charges and about all the names
(07:26):
flying around. I'm looking forward to watching fifty cent Fitty
Special on Netflix because he's had beef with Combs for
a really long time. I think it started over a woman.
But that said, my daughter we were talking at the
supper table last night, and this is pertinent. We're talking
(07:50):
about different people that might be dragged into this as witnesses,
high profile stars, and one of the things we're talking
about tonight on Crime Stories is why are they so silent?
Why isn't anybody coming forward? And I bring it on
a PR guru to just talk briefly about why they're
(08:12):
keeping their distance. My daughter, Lucy, they're talking about Diddy
and I was talking about Eminem. She was telling me
about a star that was sitting beside him. Oh, it
was Mike Tyson. Diddy puts his hand on Tyson's thigh. No, no,
he put his hand under according to Lucy from what
(08:35):
she recalls, under his leg. You know when you sit
down sometimes, and some people took their hands under their thighs,
and Tyson overtly grabbed his hand, lifted it up, threw
it back at him, and then splid away from him.
If you read the book reportedly by Kim Porter, who
(08:57):
had several children by Combs, I'm not a shrink Cheryl,
as we all know, but it makes me wonder. She
makes it very clear that he wanted sex with men.
Do I care, No, So many things I care about
that is not one of them. But I guess he
didn't want the world to know that, so a lot
(09:19):
of their arguments were about that, And it makes me
wonder if there was some hatred of women or hatred
of the fact then the rat world he couldn't be gay,
or couldn't be out at as gay. I don't know.
I don't know any of that, But if you believe
this book is by her, then it seems like a
(09:41):
lot of his hatred toward women came from that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I've seen the same video and not only does he
overtly move his hand, he sits up and turns at
an angle. So it can happen again. But you know, Nancy,
We've had people for years try to tell us, I mean,
fifty cents, try to tell us. Kat Williams has tried
to tell us ice Cube has now come out. I
mean people, this was like this secret that everybody knew.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, it ain't a secret anymore because all of this
will be part of the case that goes forward. Many
people are discussing will there be a plea? A lot
of court watchers say no, because any plea with the Feds,
because they've gotten him lock stock and spoken barrel. But
all of that is going to come out at trial.
And people that say will there be a guilty plea,
(10:35):
Here's the thing. Any guilty plea is going to be
a substantial period of time. I'm talking twenty at least,
twenty behind bars at least, and court watchers are saying, well,
he will never plead to that. That's too long. Think
about it. On each count it's twenty. The Feds could
run it twenty on twenty on twenty on twenty consecutively,
(10:59):
which is a lot. Thing I like to do after
trying a case is get a good old life plus
twenty plus twenty con.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Sick absolutely, And you know, here's the deal. We've got
eleven victims that have come forward so far. Now that
his bond has been denied a second time, I believe
there's going to be more.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, well the eleventh victims now come forward. Oh uh oh,
he's in do do now? You know why Gloria all
read yeah baby l no. Do you not mess with
her like that's a nightmare. You you know, barely tap
somebody's back fender and traffic and Gloria already gets out.
(11:38):
You better run better, rob, she will be coming out.
And I got to tell you a story about Gloria Alred.
A lot of people claim they don't like their her,
or they mock her. You know what, Frank Clay, They're
just jealous. They're jealous. I remember recovering Scott Peterson case,
and at that time I didn't have John David and
want to see wasn't married, didn't and I just lived
(12:01):
out there. I guess, I don't know, three or four
months for Court TV. That's when I had my colony
of aunt friends in my hotel room. But I would
be so tired at night. I wouldn't even be too
tired to even call and complain about them. Then we
became friends. There were like two hundred of them crawling
up my wall every night. And out there I would
see Gloria every day. We often would sit together in
(12:24):
court when she had time to sit in court. She's
a busy lady, and I can tell you if she
would be their first thing. In the morning, we'd get
to the courthouse about the same time. It wouldn't even
be light yet. And at night, when I would be
driving away having been in court all day, done the
afternoon Court TV show what was it? Then trial heat
(12:45):
or closing arguments, and then the Acha Lenin Show, and
then the Larry King show. Larry ended at ten, everybody'd
be gone. It was a tense city outside the courthouse.
I'd be driving away and there'd be Gloria Allreads standing
there and her expensive and beautiful Saint John suit. And
she would be standing like at a stop sign or something,
(13:08):
not leaning against it. Let me be clear, standing up
right at some corner light. She's going to get picked up.
Maybe all of her stuff, her briefcase documents around her
at her feet. And she would be and this's you know,
ten o'clock at night Eastern. She'd be working two cell phones,
(13:28):
you know, just going at it. And I also got
to know her daughter, Lisa Bloom at Court TV. Remember
she was an anchor there, very nice lady. And I
now she's now in practice with her mom. I believe. Now, Gloria, David,
does you know Gloria Art Shut up, David. Did you
know Gloria already is representing one of the victims of OSSOLR.
(13:50):
I know we all ran a head because Gloria, we'll
get you. She will jerking night in your neck.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And you know, she reminds me of you. And this
is what I tell people. Be concerned about the person
that don't get tired. I'm just telling you they got
nothing else to do twenty four to seven than to
make a case against you.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This used to job David crazy on Sundays because he
in a mode he traveled all the time. He would
leave town on Sunday night and get back on Friday night,
maybe as an investment banker. All I didn't even know
where he was half the time. And I did care
deeply because I was hungry. I wanted somebody to take
me very hungry. Great, and I wanted some coffee. But
(14:36):
you are not part of this. Quit talking. But on Sundays,
nothing would make me happier, you know, one of the
few days, well you've got to be together. Then being
at the law library at the courthouse working on Monday's case.
Nobody else would be in there, be totally quiet. I
couldn't even get all the lights to work. It'd be
(14:57):
partially dark in there. And I would go and I
remember the window it's in the it was in the
new administration building, and look out on the city, and
I think that defense attorney's out there. He's watching football
by right now, he's kicked up, having a beer. He
doesn't know I'm in a law library. Get him good tomorrow.
(15:20):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
My son Huck played lacrosse for the University of Alabama,
and sometimes he would say, I'm just too tired after practice,
you know. He would always say, but the first thing
I think of when I don't feel like going to
the weight room after practice is what is my opponent doing?
And he would get up and go to the weight
room as tired as he might be, because he knew,
you know, my opponent's working out, they're getting ready. So
(15:45):
I'm just telling you, I watched you. I watched you
from dark to dark, work without being tired, without complaining.
So I'm just telling you that eleventh victim, when she
talks about how we drugged her and then filmed it,
it's funny to me that he's afraid now getting ploys
and in prison, that he thinks somebody's going to slip
(16:06):
him something funny.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's what's on his mind. Oh yes, yes, that's one
of the first things I'm gonna talk about Tom like
now santays something else. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is
another thing I was thinking about. I heard through the
Great mind. And then it came out that his lawyer
is not going to ask for him to be moved
to a different jail. Why because you know he wants
(16:32):
to move and you know the lawyer wants to move
him to make it more convenient for him. M h.
I wonder if this is their ploy. I wonder if
they're going to let him get sick or let him
somebody take a swing at him and then engender some
sort of sympathy. Well, I'm not gonna be sympathetic, but
some people might be sympathetic because he And I'm not
(16:54):
saying I want any harm to come to him. I
don't want that at all. I want him, I'm alive
and kicking bo boom, to go into court and to
have these victims be able to testify in his face
and make him confront what he has done for years
(17:16):
and years and years. I don't want anything bad to
befall him behind bars. But that said, it's interesting how
all these years he's made a reputation bad boy records
as being the badass. At least he left the room,
so I can say that now and now, okay, prove it.
(17:36):
You're behind bars and you're hiding up on the medical wing.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And the first thing they came out trying to guard
his sympathy was he was on suicide watch.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh boo oooh.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah, it's also wrong because people do go on suicide
watch with real mental illnesses, and I have.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Seen in with real mental illnesses, and I do not
want them in gp general population. I want them to
get well. But then I've also much more so seen
people that fake it. I'll never forget first name, David.
(18:19):
It's gonna come to me in a moment. Last namely
say it starts with the L No, that's David lives,
not ill. But he's a beautiful young mom. You're beautiful
to me. It's found naked in bed having committed suicide.
I mean I hadn't even got to the scene. Wait, no, no,
she didn't. She was killed because women do not. Statistically,
(18:45):
it's like point zero zero zero zero zero one percent
commit suicide while naked. You're a murder victim. So got
there well, of course in the inn, her husband did it.
And I will never get Cheryl. I was in my office,
which used so obviously pointed out the location, location, location.
(19:07):
It was a very small office. Later Slaton forced me
to move to a bigger one higher up, but my
favorite office, which used to belong to an old judge.
By the way, but this little office on the corner
was close to the stairs, and I could run down
the stairs and get to the boss's office faster than
(19:29):
the elevator. So I do him, got Nancy. I would
run down those stairs and I'll never forget him. He
handed me a foie, went I want you to look
at this, which means take it to trial. So I
took it and it was a friend of his. I
guess they had known each other in law school or
(19:49):
Sunday school or daughter. It was. That's who the victim was.
And you know there's no ex screw that up. The
husband thanked mental illness. So I got a handful of
subpoena duke a stigams, I mean like thirty which is
not a subpoena for you to testify, susubpoena for you
(20:09):
to bring me any documents or objects you have related
to the crime. And I had to go to his office.
He was a software nerd, and I'd amongst the cars
out in the parking lot, and I waited for all
of his coworkers to get off of work, and then
I would stand up between the cars and walk right
(20:31):
out to them. They couldn't get away and I'd be
holding out with my arm out with a subpoena Duke
asteacm to them for them to give me any letters
he had written from the mental facility. It was minimum security.
They did arts and crafts. He was making sand paintings,
you know, in the little bottles, and I got those letters.
(20:54):
I ended up getting like, I don't know, forty letters.
And in the end he talked about he was gonna
make b necklaces for three or four years and then
be out, okay, And at the end he actually signed,
keep it cool and talk killing your wife, Dave. Do
you know how I nearly fell out of my car.
(21:15):
I don't like people using the medical unit if they
don't need it, did he?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
What did I warn y'all about people that don't get tired?
Y'all better be concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You better be worried when you go out to your
parking a lot somebody might just jump out it with
the peanut. Oh well, the good times, Oh the good times.
I forgot about it. Guess what. I still have that rolodex.
It's priceless. I'm telling you it is priceless. And I
still had my desk which I got at goodwill. It
was a Fulden County teacher's desk, and they had like
(21:47):
fifty of them in good Will. Got it for a
hundred dollars. Cheryl he my father was trying to get
it from Goodwill in my Toyota to my studio apartment.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No good times, gave me good times.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, I gotta go, bye, Buddy, at a great time.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
See ya.
Welcome to the Crumb Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and
I am joined as always with the one and only
Nancy Grays.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good morning, good morning, good morning. You know you know
what I just just at the moment I was saying
good morning, I had a flashback. Okay for me, it
sounds like a bad flashback, but it's not. Okay, I
had a flashback where first thing in the morning I
would have to be in court. Now I've told you
this part before. I never had any money, even though
(00:38):
I had two night jobs, right, I taught you two
jobs in Georgia. What did I teach? I taught business
law because you know, I had worked at the Federal
Trade Commission, and I taught in the undergrad trial strategy
and technique, I think it's what they called it in
the law school at both at night and the DA's
(01:00):
office during the day. Okay, So I would get there
in the morning, I still had no money. I could
not pay. I never had a dollar bill for coffee
never ever, ever, so i'd have to go in and
mootch it off. The judges chambers and the judge's secretary
would totally give me the stink because you know, I'm
(01:23):
sure everybody else is pitching in beside me. When I
would go to the grocery store, I would buy Houston
a coffee or creamer or something because I could put
it on a credit card, right, you know, I would
take that about every couple of weeks, you know, is
that what peace offering? But anyway, usually to avoid the embarrassment,
I would go into court with no coffee. I just
(01:45):
have some water at the water fountain, so it would
be first thing in the morning. Imagine going in front
of jewelry and having to think with any coffee, any tea, anything.
And so of course, as you know, we are waiting
for a hurricane to hit. And I've had one swallow
(02:06):
of tea before you.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Said, ry, oh, here we go, and I had the
flashback of you know, they had those swinging doors, those
swoosh stores that wouldn't make any noise, you know, when
somebody would come in and out of court, I'd swing
those swoosh doors and I won't be feeling like hell
on wheels and everybody turn around and go, oh, hell, here.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Here we go speaking to hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Here she comes, and this is just enough. Right here
Sean comes. I guess that's what you want to talk about.
You know, you want to talk about him a little
too much, Cheryl. And you always ask me the details
of the free coughs. Why, Okay, well listen, but that said,
go ahead, speaking of things she does now that she
(02:56):
brought off the free coughs.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Nancy exactly without coffee or key.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I had kind of this thing popping my head too,
this memory. And you may or may not remember this,
but you taught me something I used to love a rolodex.
I loved it to put the person's name and phone
number and address, of course, but you could also put
little notes, like to remind you whether it was a
(03:22):
birthday or some type of the anniversary or something unique
to that person. Well, I don't have a great handwriting,
and sometimes that wasn't the best thing for me to
try to write a whole bunch of stuff. I was
in your office.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You had the biggest rolodex.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
As I've ever seen in my life, and one day
you were trying to contact somebody and you spun that
thing like a ferris wheel. And what I noticed you
had taken the actual business card of people and stapled
it right onto the card instead of transferring it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I did not have time to write anything down. It's
too busy trying to write. You know. I found oh,
you know, do you remember Clint Rutcker.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh, of course he.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He tried the big teacher cheating scandal.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's all over the Nationalist and then he helped try
he's either sole league or oh counsel on texts, what
is that guy that killed his wife?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The rich guy killed his wife? Did a giant basically
yard selled some mcgiver a fancy boutique text McIver. The partner,
I guess was a King of Spalding. Who I bet
they were proud. The other day Clint Rutger had been
going through because you know, it was either moving offices
(04:47):
or something. He found like fifty or sixty of my
opening and closing statements hand written Cheryl, of course, stuck
in one of his boxes. I don't know why they
were in his boxes, but he's probably been using them.
I'd like to write everything out word for word, for
(05:08):
openings and clothings. Of course I wouldn't read, but I
think writing it out helped me remember it. But I
did not have time to write anything on a Rolodex
card Well.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Clint Rutger, you know, he's one of those folks that
I bonded with pretty quick, but mostly because both of
our families from Vienna, Georgia. So we had such a
good time talking about you know, summers spent there with
grandparents at all.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Why can't people understand it's Vienna, Georgia, in Vienna in Europe.
I don't understand their problem. I tell you everyone, Actually
we don't know how to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But you know that Rolodex. Getting back to puff Daddy,
it's the power. The power people I think that are
going to eventually be connected and named because you think
of that rolodand nowadays it's that cell phone. But think
who is in that cell phone of his and his
assistance and his bodyguards. I mean, I think it's going
(06:09):
to be who's who of witnesses when this thing goes
to trial.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well here's the other thing, speaking of Relodex or a
little black book or a cell phone data point. You know,
we never did get that quote little black book from
Gilain Maxwell. That never happened. So I'm just wondering will
we ever ever get it wasn't public and if the
(06:35):
fats haven't they're not doing anything with it on apstain, but.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I think in order to convict Diddy, they're going to
have to call some people.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, they've got all his compatriots that are they're not
listed by name, but they are in the indictment. Assistance, bodyguards, producers.
I mean, they would produce the free comps, Sheryl. It's
not like they just go everybody's start having sex with
each other. Well, that's not the way to put it.
They were raping each other. They were raping the women.
(07:03):
But I understand that all of them are named generally
in the indictment, not specifically yet. We won't know that
until we see the list of witnesses, which I'm sure
the state has but they haven't released yet. I was
just thinking about these charges and about all the names
(07:26):
flying around. I'm looking forward to watching fifty cent Fitty
Special on Netflix because he's had beef with Combs for
a really long time. I think it started over a woman.
But that said, my daughter we were talking at the
supper table last night, and this is pertinent. We're talking
(07:50):
about different people that might be dragged into this as witnesses,
high profile stars, and one of the things we're talking
about tonight on Crime Stories is why are they so silent?
Why isn't anybody coming forward? And I bring it on
a PR guru to just talk briefly about why they're
(08:12):
keeping their distance. My daughter, Lucy, they're talking about Diddy
and I was talking about Eminem. She was telling me
about a star that was sitting beside him. Oh, it
was Mike Tyson. Diddy puts his hand on Tyson's thigh. No, no,
he put his hand under according to Lucy from what
(08:35):
she recalls, under his leg. You know when you sit
down sometimes, and some people took their hands under their thighs,
and Tyson overtly grabbed his hand, lifted it up, threw
it back at him, and then splid away from him.
If you read the book reportedly by Kim Porter, who
(08:57):
had several children by Combs, I'm not a shrink Cheryl,
as we all know, but it makes me wonder. She
makes it very clear that he wanted sex with men.
Do I care, No, So many things I care about
that is not one of them. But I guess he
didn't want the world to know that, so a lot
(09:19):
of their arguments were about that, And it makes me
wonder if there was some hatred of women or hatred
of the fact then the rat world he couldn't be gay,
or couldn't be out at as gay. I don't know.
I don't know any of that, But if you believe
this book is by her, then it seems like a
(09:41):
lot of his hatred toward women came from that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I've seen the same video and not only does he
overtly move his hand, he sits up and turns at
an angle. So it can happen again. But you know, Nancy,
We've had people for years try to tell us, I mean,
fifty cents, try to tell us. Kat Williams has tried
to tell us ice Cube has now come out. I
mean people, this was like this secret that everybody knew.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, it ain't a secret anymore because all of this
will be part of the case that goes forward. Many
people are discussing will there be a plea? A lot
of court watchers say no, because any plea with the Feds,
because they've gotten him lock stock and spoken barrel. But
all of that is going to come out at trial.
And people that say will there be a guilty plea,
(10:35):
Here's the thing. Any guilty plea is going to be
a substantial period of time. I'm talking twenty at least,
twenty behind bars at least, and court watchers are saying, well,
he will never plead to that. That's too long. Think
about it. On each count it's twenty. The Feds could
run it twenty on twenty on twenty on twenty consecutively,
(10:59):
which is a lot. Thing I like to do after
trying a case is get a good old life plus
twenty plus twenty con.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Sick absolutely, And you know, here's the deal. We've got
eleven victims that have come forward so far. Now that
his bond has been denied a second time, I believe
there's going to be more.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, well the eleventh victims now come forward. Oh uh oh,
he's in do do now? You know why Gloria all
read yeah baby l no. Do you not mess with
her like that's a nightmare. You you know, barely tap
somebody's back fender and traffic and Gloria already gets out.
(11:38):
You better run better, rob, she will be coming out.
And I got to tell you a story about Gloria Alred.
A lot of people claim they don't like their her,
or they mock her. You know what, Frank Clay, They're
just jealous. They're jealous. I remember recovering Scott Peterson case,
and at that time I didn't have John David and
want to see wasn't married, didn't and I just lived
(12:01):
out there. I guess, I don't know, three or four
months for Court TV. That's when I had my colony
of aunt friends in my hotel room. But I would
be so tired at night. I wouldn't even be too
tired to even call and complain about them. Then we
became friends. There were like two hundred of them crawling
up my wall every night. And out there I would
see Gloria every day. We often would sit together in
(12:24):
court when she had time to sit in court. She's
a busy lady, and I can tell you if she
would be their first thing. In the morning, we'd get
to the courthouse about the same time. It wouldn't even
be light yet. And at night, when I would be
driving away having been in court all day, done the
afternoon Court TV show what was it? Then trial heat
(12:45):
or closing arguments, and then the Acha Lenin Show, and
then the Larry King show. Larry ended at ten, everybody'd
be gone. It was a tense city outside the courthouse.
I'd be driving away and there'd be Gloria Allreads standing
there and her expensive and beautiful Saint John suit. And
she would be standing like at a stop sign or something,
(13:08):
not leaning against it. Let me be clear, standing up
right at some corner light. She's going to get picked up.
Maybe all of her stuff, her briefcase documents around her
at her feet. And she would be and this's you know,
ten o'clock at night Eastern. She'd be working two cell phones,
(13:28):
you know, just going at it. And I also got
to know her daughter, Lisa Bloom at Court TV. Remember
she was an anchor there, very nice lady. And I
now she's now in practice with her mom. I believe. Now, Gloria, David,
does you know Gloria Art Shut up, David. Did you
know Gloria already is representing one of the victims of OSSOLR.
(13:50):
I know we all ran a head because Gloria, we'll
get you. She will jerking night in your neck.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And you know, she reminds me of you. And this
is what I tell people. Be concerned about the person
that don't get tired. I'm just telling you they got
nothing else to do twenty four to seven than to
make a case against you.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
This used to job David crazy on Sundays because he
in a mode he traveled all the time. He would
leave town on Sunday night and get back on Friday night,
maybe as an investment banker. All I didn't even know
where he was half the time. And I did care
deeply because I was hungry. I wanted somebody to take
me very hungry. Great, and I wanted some coffee. But
(14:36):
you are not part of this. Quit talking. But on Sundays,
nothing would make me happier, you know, one of the
few days, well you've got to be together. Then being
at the law library at the courthouse working on Monday's case.
Nobody else would be in there, be totally quiet. I
couldn't even get all the lights to work. It'd be
(14:57):
partially dark in there. And I would go and I
remember the window it's in the it was in the
new administration building, and look out on the city, and
I think that defense attorney's out there. He's watching football
by right now, he's kicked up, having a beer. He
doesn't know I'm in a law library. Get him good tomorrow.
(15:20):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
My son Huck played lacrosse for the University of Alabama,
and sometimes he would say, I'm just too tired after practice,
you know. He would always say, but the first thing
I think of when I don't feel like going to
the weight room after practice is what is my opponent doing?
And he would get up and go to the weight
room as tired as he might be, because he knew,
you know, my opponent's working out, they're getting ready. So
(15:45):
I'm just telling you, I watched you. I watched you
from dark to dark, work without being tired, without complaining.
So I'm just telling you that eleventh victim, when she
talks about how we drugged her and then filmed it,
it's funny to me that he's afraid now getting ploys
and in prison, that he thinks somebody's going to slip
(16:06):
him something funny.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's what's on his mind. Oh yes, yes, that's one
of the first things I'm gonna talk about Tom like
now santays something else. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is
another thing I was thinking about. I heard through the
Great mind. And then it came out that his lawyer
is not going to ask for him to be moved
to a different jail. Why because you know he wants
(16:32):
to move and you know the lawyer wants to move
him to make it more convenient for him. M h.
I wonder if this is their ploy. I wonder if
they're going to let him get sick or let him
somebody take a swing at him and then engender some
sort of sympathy. Well, I'm not gonna be sympathetic, but
some people might be sympathetic because he And I'm not
(16:54):
saying I want any harm to come to him. I
don't want that at all. I want him, I'm alive
and kicking bo boom, to go into court and to
have these victims be able to testify in his face
and make him confront what he has done for years
(17:16):
and years and years. I don't want anything bad to
befall him behind bars. But that said, it's interesting how
all these years he's made a reputation bad boy records
as being the badass. At least he left the room,
so I can say that now and now, okay, prove it.
(17:36):
You're behind bars and you're hiding up on the medical wing.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And the first thing they came out trying to guard
his sympathy was he was on suicide watch.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh boo oooh.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah, it's also wrong because people do go on suicide
watch with real mental illnesses, and I have.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Seen in with real mental illnesses, and I do not
want them in gp general population. I want them to
get well. But then I've also much more so seen
people that fake it. I'll never forget first name, David.
(18:19):
It's gonna come to me in a moment. Last namely
say it starts with the L No, that's David lives,
not ill. But he's a beautiful young mom. You're beautiful
to me. It's found naked in bed having committed suicide.
I mean I hadn't even got to the scene. Wait, no, no,
she didn't. She was killed because women do not. Statistically,
(18:45):
it's like point zero zero zero zero zero one percent
commit suicide while naked. You're a murder victim. So got
there well, of course in the inn, her husband did it.
And I will never get Cheryl. I was in my office,
which used so obviously pointed out the location, location, location.
(19:07):
It was a very small office. Later Slaton forced me
to move to a bigger one higher up, but my
favorite office, which used to belong to an old judge.
By the way, but this little office on the corner
was close to the stairs, and I could run down
the stairs and get to the boss's office faster than
(19:29):
the elevator. So I do him, got Nancy. I would
run down those stairs and I'll never forget him. He
handed me a foie, went I want you to look
at this, which means take it to trial. So I
took it and it was a friend of his. I
guess they had known each other in law school or
(19:49):
Sunday school or daughter. It was. That's who the victim was.
And you know there's no ex screw that up. The
husband thanked mental illness. So I got a handful of
subpoena duke a stigams, I mean like thirty which is
not a subpoena for you to testify, susubpoena for you
(20:09):
to bring me any documents or objects you have related
to the crime. And I had to go to his office.
He was a software nerd, and I'd amongst the cars
out in the parking lot, and I waited for all
of his coworkers to get off of work, and then
I would stand up between the cars and walk right
(20:31):
out to them. They couldn't get away and I'd be
holding out with my arm out with a subpoena Duke
asteacm to them for them to give me any letters
he had written from the mental facility. It was minimum security.
They did arts and crafts. He was making sand paintings,
you know, in the little bottles, and I got those letters.
(20:54):
I ended up getting like, I don't know, forty letters.
And in the end he talked about he was gonna
make b necklaces for three or four years and then
be out, okay, And at the end he actually signed,
keep it cool and talk killing your wife, Dave. Do
you know how I nearly fell out of my car.
(21:15):
I don't like people using the medical unit if they
don't need it, did he?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
What did I warn y'all about people that don't get tired?
Y'all better be concerned.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You better be worried when you go out to your
parking a lot somebody might just jump out it with
the peanut. Oh well, the good times, Oh the good times.
I forgot about it. Guess what. I still have that rolodex.
It's priceless. I'm telling you it is priceless. And I
still had my desk which I got at goodwill. It
was a Fulden County teacher's desk, and they had like
(21:47):
fifty of them in good Will. Got it for a
hundred dollars. Cheryl he my father was trying to get
it from Goodwill in my Toyota to my studio apartment.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
No good times, gave me good times.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, I gotta go, bye, Buddy, at a great time.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
See ya.
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