September 26, 2025 • 29 mins
On this episode of Crime Roundup, Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer return to break down the week’s most talked-about legal and criminal cases. They begin with new developments in the Celeste Revis investigation, where digital footprints, fake ID's, and silence from those who should have spoken up paint a grim picture of what may have happened. Sheryl and Joshua examine the forensic limitations, explore possible motives, and discuss the mounting pressure surrounding a key figure in the case.
They then turned their attention to Sean “Diddy” Combs, as Joshua discusses Combs’ latest court appearance, the credibility of character letters, and the legal strategy behind his reported prison rehab efforts ahead of sentencing. Finally, Sheryl and Joshua revisit the Mann Act and its historical and modern application, including how it shaped the case of boxing legend Jack Johnson and the significance of the posthumous pardon Johnson received from President Trump.
Highlights:
- (0:00) Welcome to Crime Roundup with Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer
- (0:15) Celeste Rivas case update: fake IDs and the weight of silence
- (5:15) Forensic challenges: decomposition, timeline gaps, and physical evidence
- (17:15) Digital trails: social media, delivery records, and phone data, and why a canceled tour raises eyebrows
- (19:45) What character letters really mean as Sean “Diddy” Combs appears in court
- (21:15) Rehab educational opportunities: legal strategy or authentic program?
- (22:45) The Mann Act: what it is, how it works, and how it has been applied
- (22:15 The case of Jack Johnson, the Mann Act, and the significance of Trump’s posthumous pardon
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Crime Round Up, Joshua, shit to get in here.
Good night. What a week? What a week? Okay, I've
just got to jump in here real quick. Things are
developing quickly. Even though there's no arrest yet with the
Celeste Revis case, there will be.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm almost gonna guarantee someone's getting arrested at some point.
But it ain't. It ain't to death.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But I gotta just start with some of the things
that now is being reported that his friends are allegedly saying.
They are saying they thought she was much older. They
were shocked when they found out she was only fifteen.
They thought she was a student at USC Okay, I'm
jump in here. Do you have a daughter fourteen who
(01:04):
I would say is a genius?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Ye? She's very smart, very aerodite, educated, mature. Yep, Absolutely,
she's fourteen.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I wouldn't have to talked to her for two minutes
as smart as she is, the vocabulary that she has.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
She's fourteen, And anybody that spends time with teens sees
the ludicrousness of a fourteen fifteen year old child apparently
appearing for a long period of time. This wasn't just
once I met her, at the club. No, this was
(01:44):
living with her breakfast, lunch, dinner, doing whatever they were
doing for months. You cannot tell me you actually believed
she was over the aged.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She's a student at USC who don't go to class,
who don't have books, who don't study for tasks, who
aren't walking around complaining about a professor.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Again, we get back to what are people supposed to
be doing, and what do we demand from people in
the public when you see something, and whether our society
now is just too chicken to say things, and we're
chicken for unfortunately some good reasons. Half the time you
see people opening their mouth and speaking their peace, they're
(02:24):
getting canceled and they're getting attacked and they're getting beaten
up because of whatever the content or what they're talking about.
But it's almost the audacity of people standing up and
being heard that offends some people. And that's really hard
because you want to know what woul to save Celeste's life.
Someone figuring out that a fifteen year old shouldn't be
(02:46):
living in a house with a bunch of older men
doing all kinds of crazy party lifestyle in the middle
of la Someone should check that out.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Somebody should check that out. And how about this. You're
saying you thought she was legal, but she had all
these IDs. First of all, one fake idea will do it.
Why do you need five?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
By the time you see the second ID with the
different information, one of them is fake.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
One of them's fake, one of them's fake. And you
know most kids freshman year of college figure out where
to put the fake one so they don't hand the
wrong one to the police officer. But having one fake
ID will do it. You don't need five. So why
would she have multiple IDs because she ain't legal?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let's just rip the band aid. Here's in my opinion,
I never met one of these people, but I've got
a touch of life experience. I imagine when the beautiful
young woman who is the object of desire from the wealthy,
successful musician that's up and coming, who probably is paying
the bills for every person hanging out in that house,
(03:53):
You're gonna go up to them and go, hey, man,
she's dangerous. You got to get her out of here.
Stop partying with her. She's too young. Yeah, that friend
probably didn't get to stick around that much. And I
bet none of his friends really had the stones to
stand up and confront him and go, hey, dude, this
is not a good look. And if and when you
(04:13):
become more successful, this is going to become a major problem.
Or maybe someone decided to solve his problem, because I
keep telling people, we don't know what happened in her
final days, and we don't know what the relationship was
between her and anybody else associated with D four DV David,
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whatever his name is. They could have been on the inns,
they could have been on the outs. There could have
been a triangle involved. There could have been just another
person who thought they were doing a good thing. There
could have been completely unrelated stuff. And one day she
was at the house and said, hey, I'll see you later,
and then she just never showed up again. And there
was a convenient car nearby that just happened to be
(04:56):
owned by a guy that owns the house, and the
bad guy put her in net. Like, I'm not saying
any of those are more likely or not, but all
the stories are not as likely or more likely than
not because we don't have the facts from the me
And as we've talked about, this me discussion is hard.
(05:17):
You've done the forensics, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
One of the things that has been put out there
is that nobody has seen her since July. Well, if
that's true, you're moving that needle a pretty good distance.
Now you're talking about somebody July, August, September, right, the changes.
You're not just talking about dcom. If she has been
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in the trunk of that car since July, that's probably
one reason that it's been put out there. They thought
she was beheaded. It could have looked that way when
the car was put on the tow truck and moved.
The head could have rolled. It's just that easy. You know,
there's parts if you're going to be in a trunk
(06:03):
and it's going to get hot, to be just as
gross as I can be. She's turning it into soup.
And how she didn't leak out of that car, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It is nasty and gross to think about what happens
when any mammal or other living thing passes away. The
body doesn't just stop. There's not stacis, no men. All
the chemicals are still mixed up in there, All those
body processes are still chugging along.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, by eleven to fourteen days, it's no longer a body.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, And then you talk about where was it. Well,
it was in a front of a Tesla in the California.
Whoa hold on, I put a piece of chicken in
my garbage can and let it sit for Florida. It stinks.
And that's just a little piece of chicken. You've got
seventy one pounds plus of humanity with no care, with
(07:02):
just the heat that the physical condition of that body
is going to be hard to adequately explain. And I
just don't know how effective the science can be when
it comes to cause of death. And everybody, remember if
that comes back as an indeterminate or cannot be you know,
(07:23):
that's the entire criminal charge.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Here's what it's going to come down to. There's already
been video that's been released. We've seen it. They clearly
knew each other. They were in the same space with
each other. That's not something he can deny. She was
in the trunk of his car. Period.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm gonna correct you.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I know you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Got to say, funk share, get with the times.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Get with the times. That's right, it was in the
front of the vehicle. There's no doubt the fronk. So
you know, to me what you're looking at. It's going
to come down to her phone, his phone. When did
he stop texting and calling her? Because it doesn't matter
when he left to go on tour, doesn't matter when
(08:07):
all of her other friends that were friends of his,
everybody stopped at the same roughly the same time. I
know he did. He wasn't take it. Hey girl, where
are you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah? No, and his phone. I guarantee there is going
to be some serious subpoena work going on over at
the various cell phone companies and folks, these are just records.
I know, we talk and we see these trials about
seal Brighton. No, this is just the record. This is
the same bill you get. How many times were they talking?
(08:39):
When did it stop? Okay, that's a good starting point.
Let's go look there.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I'll tell you something that's happening. They're looking in places
y'all don't think they're looking. And I'll tell you one
mail deliveries orders. Was this child on birth control? Because
you can now get birth control through the mail, you
don't even have to go to a doctor.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Food deliveries. I'm seeing more and more subpoenas and other
investigations related to what we would just basically call the
digital detritus that we all create wandering through the day.
Every day, I'm deleting a thousand messages of spam and
not spam. Every day, I'm posting a thing. Every time
(09:23):
you post on Facebook, there's a little thing that is
registered on the registry that says that your phone was
here about this time when you said that. And the
amount of that data is it's inconceivable unless you really
sit down and spend time thinking how much disposable data
do you leave behind without ever knowing? And that stuff's
(09:46):
out there, and that's what good investigations focus on because
it's totally neutral, it's one hundred percent reliable, there's no
monkey in with it. The defense can't stand up and
start claiming that it's all nope, nope, nope, no, no, no. That's
the same record that was created every day before and
every day after. And here's the record where they interacted
in this way, which shows whatever it is, proof of life, location,
(10:11):
some knowledge of a person, place or thing. Finding when
that stops is the big first.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Step that's right when it stops is key. And again,
she didn't have insurance, She didn't go to a doctor
or a dentist or things like that she didn't have
the means to do it. Anything she did, anything she purchased,
came through a source. We now believe that to be David.
(10:37):
So again to your point, if uber Eats was always
for two or more people and then suddenly it's for one,
then you can see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It sounds silly, but literally it's the no he comes
to Quick or the store every day and buys a
pack of cigarette. Then that stopped, right. You don't even
need the counter attendant. You just got the camera from
the convenience store.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And terns patterns, patterns, patterns.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Literally, when they teach you evidence, they teach you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Habit habit, and when they break that habit, they break
that pattern. That's where I get That's where I get real.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Really, it's an exception to some of the admission rules
when it comes to Evans. If you can show that habit,
it comes in and the jury gets to consider it
as a habit. This is something mac does every day,
It didn't happen this day. That is then probable cause.
That is then something a specific articulable fact, which is
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a term of art for lawyers and law enforcement. That's
probable cause. It can't be just a hunch. It has
to be a specific articulable fact. And when you can
share that specific articulable fact that indicates a crime has
been violated, boom, that's how you get a warrant.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And you know, there's mistakes that are made because at
the time of the murder, only the killer knows in
that moment, so they may think, oh, I got to
get all her clothes out of here. There can't be
any any you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Know, I gotta go buy some bleach. I gotta gotta
go buy bleach.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I got to get rid of her shoes. I gotta
get big industrial trash bags.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Huh man. They just need to take a picture everybody
that buys that that giant pack of black contractor bags
in the off hours, because yes, you didn't need that
eleven o'clock in it. Now, really, I'm doing some yardwork.
You did not need that eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But if he's got a box of that in his
house and only one's been removed and the other forty
six are in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
There, yeah right, yeah, But that's exactly what the good
investigation does, and it's getting the investigation's fingers out into
the community to show those changes and to then interact
with the people that may have had something to do
with her. That then gets into how you can generate
additional investigatory results in information When you meet these people
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on the third parties on the outside and you work
up their background and intersection with the case, Well, what
happens if that person might need something from the police
or have a different interaction with the police. Suddenly little
squeezes and encouragements and favors start happening, which are all
totally legal. We try not to, you know, cripple our
(13:25):
law enforcement too much these days, and you give officers
the ability to really go do aggressive investigations pretty soon,
that's how you get the information that they didn't want shared.
And if there had been fights, if there had been issues,
for all we know, she was on the process a
storming out of an abusive relationship and was murdered, or
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on the other side of that, she was a violent
monster who had serious da da da da da, and
then during an issue she was killed and he wasn't.
I'm not saying that's gonna be the defense, but the
privilege of having a jury with an open mind is
what the law enforcement is concerned about prior to bringing charges,
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and they can't screw this up. This is high profile.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I believe David will be arrested, and I think he'll
be arrested soon. And I will tell you why. More
than all the other evidence that we all know about,
he canceled his entire tour to quote cooperate with law enforcement.
Who believes they need to sit down with law enforcement
(14:39):
more than one time when a friend is killed and
you didn't kill him, Nobody thinks that's going to take
three months.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, this is your giant tour and you're just hitting
your stride now and charging more money per appearance and
selling more song. And this is someone you allegedly cared
about in your cooperation. From everything, man, this guy, there
was no question that she was probably with him. From
what I'm gathering, they basically knew where she was during
(15:10):
this missing time, and it was a yeah, please have
her come home, Please have her come home, and she wouldn't.
And I don't want to beat up on parents and
stuff like that, but we will eventually get back to
that decision of that discussion. What do you do with
a fifteen year old runaway? Because that's not an easy solution.
(15:30):
There's not a one, one stop fix. This is how
all fifteen year old girls get managed. If you come
up with the manual of how to manage a fifteen
year old girl, let me know, we'll sell it. I'll
make lots of money. It ain't going to be short.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, let me ask you this, what is what are
the odds that a fourteen year old girl is with
somebody who is famous that has a mansion and sexy cars,
and he's going to go in a world tour and
she hasn't told her friends from school that she didn't
have a secret Instagram page that they know about this
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under a different name. There's no way people close to
her didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Know now, and that's why I really believe that the
missing part is going to get a lot of scrutiny
because this David guy, it was just the world's worst
kept secret. You know, we're getting pictures of her concerts,
the school teacher people that she knew. There was this
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known connection between them where she had shown up and
been with him before during a runaway and then comes
back and there's allegations that he shows up and then
she disappears again. So I think there's going to be
a lot of scrutiny on the was she a runaway?
What did mom in law enforcement know or not know?
(16:51):
Where was dad? What kind of discussions were had, because
I can't imagine during some of these discussions someone cop
mom was like, hey, you know she's like fourteen man, right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Agreed, before we run out of time, I got to
get your thoughts on Diddy and what happened today in court.
So leading up to this thing, people have been given
him character references and Josh, here's what just blows my mind.
(17:28):
You saw the video. Man, This isn't like well, I mean,
I've never really even seen you know, so and so angry.
I've never seen him upset. Maybe behind closed doors, but
I've never seen it. You've seen the video, You've listened
to the testimony, You freaking went to one of the parties,
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you know. So, to me, every single person that wrote
one of those support letters has zero credibility.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, and I believe that that is gone to be
one of the penultimate reasons why the judge can kind
of push a lot of these letters to the side,
which is unfortunate that and we've talked about this in
prior cases. Impact letters are read they are considered, their
impact can really be limited depending on the dynamic of
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who they're coming from and what they are. You are
admitting to being around and participating in these things that
are let's just say, to fall far outside of normal
and routine and regular. Okay, But it's America. We get
lots of freedom. Okay. But then you saw him beat
the breaks off a woman on the video. Well, you
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know everybody's got a bad d No, no, no, no, no,
he beat the breaks off a woman on video. I
get it. I have fallen victim to my emotions before.
You've all heard my rants about guns are great until
you're having a bad day. Imagine if he'd had a
gun right there, God forbid. But but you're now going
to come out and I love loyalty, I love fidelity.
(19:05):
We should not be judged on one incident when we
have a lifetime of bridge building just because one fell down.
It's hard to take some of those letters really seriously,
given the continued participation in a lifestyle that was unabashedly
one percent admittedly freakish, but they had a freaky sex life,
(19:27):
and man, they did stuff that they got to do.
And here you are choosing this venue to come out
more than that. And this has been discussed a little bit.
Who these letters come from. I forget who it was exactly,
but basically every one of those letters had a financial
(19:47):
relationship dependent on mister Colmes. And it's not to say
that it's bad to be a boss, and it's not
bad to say that you employ people and make sure
that people have a living, but that bias is got
to be ultra clear. Hey, judge, please be gentle on
my guy, because I don't get a paycheck when he's
locked up, or I'll get paid more when he's out.
(20:11):
I don't think that that stuff's necessarily effective, but it
does highlight and we touched briefly on this before the show,
something that I did see.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But by you making that connection, if somebody were to
ever have to testify, that'd be the first thing I
asked him. He pay you? Are you on his payroll
at all? Did you see the video? Nothing?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Further, Yeah, these people aren't called as witnesses. You can
believe it or not defend yourself one hundred percent based
on your character and reputation. That is actually part of
the law. You do not have to address the facts
if you would like to present a pure character defense,
you are allowed to do that, and it has happened.
It's just not particularly effective tactic.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, I don't say I'm gonna need some video in
something ailse.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh yeah, no, you just can't get ten people come
out here and tell me you're a great person. That's
awesome and all that. But I've been around, I've walked
that mile before. The effective thing that I really want
people to know because I was particularly impressed. And this
is the out of the box thinking that really sets
some lawyers apart from others. Brian Steele apparently was involved
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in getting Diddy to start a program inside the jail
where he used I imagine his skills and funding and blah
blah blah blah blah to create some educational opportunities, not
for him but for the other inmates. Now those letters.
(21:44):
Sure it's self serving. Sure he wasn't just going to
do this even if he hadn't been around. No, it
is a product of the situation. But you get to
drink the lemonade after you collect the lemons, and this
is a little bit of lemonade because the judge got
to read some very good information that involved people doing
(22:07):
good stuff as a direct result of Diddy being in
jail working with at risk fragile YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
That's the stuff for the judge goes, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Listen. I'm a second chance person. I hope that this
program is authentic and something he wants to really do
and not just a stunt to make himself look good
for right now, because again, patterns, patterns. Where was this
ten years ago, twenty years ago when he made his
first million? I'm just asking the question. So let me
(22:37):
ask you this what explain to everybody what the Man
Act is and how that might play a role here?
Because a Man Act sounds like something I want to
be a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's the best law in America. It's one of my
absolute favorites. It is.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's one of my favorites too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's amazing and it pops up in the weirdest places.
I'm sure find story about that. The Man Act is
just absolutely one of the best laws out there. And
it's not new. Man Act has actually been around I
think since nineteen ten or something like that. It is
old and it's classic, and it shows up in the
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funniest places, because the Man Act was the federal government's
attempt to regulate prostitution because they couldn't trust the locals.
And you think about this, this is turn of the century,
one hundred and fifteen years ago. There were still some
rough and tumble parts of America. We didn't have fifty
states at this point, we had territories, and some of
these communities had lacks provisions in immoral activities, regarding immoral activities,
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so the Feds came up and said, we're going to
create a federal crime, which has almost always going to
involve crossing state lines, and that federal crime in order
to get prostitutes. We're going to say, if you bring
a woman across state lines for immoral or indecent purposes,
you're now a federal criminal. And so the local magistrate
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can't give you a slap and tickle and tell you
he'll see you at the brothel on Thursday. Because that's
really what was happening. Federal law enforcement, especially historically, very different.
When the Feds showed up in Texas, in California and
Oklahoma Man, the locals got scared because federal agents love
arresting local authorities Man Act makes it illegal to transport
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people across state lines for immoral in decent purposes. Pretty straightforward,
Pretty rare because most of those charges are prosecuted by
local authorities. However, since it's a federal law, it kind
of shows up in a bunch of random pleadings. We
have successfully used it. You can add it as a
cause of action in civil cases for violations of the
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Man Act. We have done that where we had a
business guy that was having in decent relations with one
of his employees and when he paid for her business
trip to go overseas, we used the Man Act to
say that is paying to transport her across state lines
for They got real serious, real quick, and we did
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real well on that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, let's end on a good note. Tell us about
the case of Jack Johnson.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
One of the big prominent Man Act cases. And Jack
Johnson was as famous as you get. He was one
of the legendary big man boxers of the turn of
the Center, and boxing at that era was just huge.
This is pre football. Baseball was barely a thing in
nineteen ten, boxing was the worldwide sport and Jack Johnson
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was an incredibly popular, important and divisive figure because drum roll,
he was black and back then, man, this is America
nineteen ten, that was not something that landed in humanity
all on the same level. And one of the big
issues was his taste in partners and Jack Johnson for
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nineteen ten was as progressive as you get by being
with a white woman, and that he was with a
white woman hooker, yeah, white woman, and that that didn't
land super great in different parts of America for lots
of reasons and time changes. And we're gonna avoid that commentary.
But the man acts how you get him because he
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brought a woman across state lines for indecent, immoral sexual purposes,
and that meant he got convicted and it basically ruined
his life. And that's coming up here kind of recently
because of what the President's.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Done and what did the president.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Do posthumous, you know, the clearance of the name and
issuing that pardon to right the wrongs. Yeah, and I
need all the details on it. I don't have them all,
but as I understand, he has been exonerated posthumously of
the crime which love or hate him, President Trump has
(27:13):
a very clear history of relationship with women, being important
and non traditional and he has embraced that in his
large family. So I can understand why he would be
offended at the idea of someone being prosecuted merely for
bringing someone across state lines for sexual or indecent purposes,
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because come on, we've all gone on crazy trips, your
kids go on spring break, you get a prosecutor, it's
real angry at you. And suddenly, well, that boy only
paid for that girl's trip because he wanted to have
sex with her. He went to Florida from Georgia. That's
the man act. Now does that die at trial? Absolutely,
but getting to trial can be an onerous and hardship
(27:56):
filled process, to say.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The least, and it can stay on that record.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh boy, wow, we talked about Genarlo Wilson. If we
ain't got time to get into that, we're called bj
Bernstein because that case. You don't understand how recent some
laws that we look at now and go that come on,
that could have never been against them. No, no, no, really,
go back twenty thirty forty years that was the law
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and it's something. But how did we just burn up
all this time? We barely touched on things this year.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It flies every night with you maybe ever.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
My dear, I'm telling it, just love it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, you have a good weekend, and you know, maybe
the man act will come up for me and Walt,
Let's see what you do.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Man, I'm trying to get me some man act here
one of these days, you know. You know, I've been
a single now for about six months. Even my daughter
was like, Dad, are you just hanging out with the
guys this fall? And I'm like, well, Dearcy isn't going
to start up here and I got all this work.
It is. Everybody deserves happiness, and really that's what I
want for everybody to have. This weekend is a moment
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of time to reflect on the amazingness that we are
blessed with every single day, because no matter how bad
it is, it's worse somewhere else. And you have been
blessed and we got to remember that be thankful for that.
And I just hope you have an amazing week.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I can't add to that, Sugar. I appreciate you all right,
big love.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Everybody have a great week
Welcome to Crime Round Up, Joshua, shit to get in here.
Good night. What a week? What a week? Okay, I've
just got to jump in here real quick. Things are
developing quickly. Even though there's no arrest yet with the
Celeste Revis case, there will be.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm almost gonna guarantee someone's getting arrested at some point.
But it ain't. It ain't to death.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But I gotta just start with some of the things
that now is being reported that his friends are allegedly saying.
They are saying they thought she was much older. They
were shocked when they found out she was only fifteen.
They thought she was a student at USC Okay, I'm
jump in here. Do you have a daughter fourteen who
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I would say is a genius?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Ye? She's very smart, very aerodite, educated, mature. Yep, Absolutely,
she's fourteen.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I wouldn't have to talked to her for two minutes
as smart as she is, the vocabulary that she has.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
She's fourteen, And anybody that spends time with teens sees
the ludicrousness of a fourteen fifteen year old child apparently
appearing for a long period of time. This wasn't just
once I met her, at the club. No, this was
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living with her breakfast, lunch, dinner, doing whatever they were
doing for months. You cannot tell me you actually believed
she was over the aged.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
She's a student at USC who don't go to class,
who don't have books, who don't study for tasks, who
aren't walking around complaining about a professor.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Again, we get back to what are people supposed to
be doing, and what do we demand from people in
the public when you see something, and whether our society
now is just too chicken to say things, and we're
chicken for unfortunately some good reasons. Half the time you
see people opening their mouth and speaking their peace, they're
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getting canceled and they're getting attacked and they're getting beaten
up because of whatever the content or what they're talking about.
But it's almost the audacity of people standing up and
being heard that offends some people. And that's really hard
because you want to know what woul to save Celeste's life.
Someone figuring out that a fifteen year old shouldn't be
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living in a house with a bunch of older men
doing all kinds of crazy party lifestyle in the middle
of la Someone should check that out.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Somebody should check that out. And how about this. You're
saying you thought she was legal, but she had all
these IDs. First of all, one fake idea will do it.
Why do you need five?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
By the time you see the second ID with the
different information, one of them is fake.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
One of them's fake, one of them's fake. And you
know most kids freshman year of college figure out where
to put the fake one so they don't hand the
wrong one to the police officer. But having one fake
ID will do it. You don't need five. So why
would she have multiple IDs because she ain't legal?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Let's just rip the band aid. Here's in my opinion,
I never met one of these people, but I've got
a touch of life experience. I imagine when the beautiful
young woman who is the object of desire from the wealthy,
successful musician that's up and coming, who probably is paying
the bills for every person hanging out in that house,
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You're gonna go up to them and go, hey, man,
she's dangerous. You got to get her out of here.
Stop partying with her. She's too young. Yeah, that friend
probably didn't get to stick around that much. And I
bet none of his friends really had the stones to
stand up and confront him and go, hey, dude, this
is not a good look. And if and when you
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become more successful, this is going to become a major problem.
Or maybe someone decided to solve his problem, because I
keep telling people, we don't know what happened in her
final days, and we don't know what the relationship was
between her and anybody else associated with D four DV David,
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whatever his name is. They could have been on the inns,
they could have been on the outs. There could have
been a triangle involved. There could have been just another
person who thought they were doing a good thing. There
could have been completely unrelated stuff. And one day she
was at the house and said, hey, I'll see you later,
and then she just never showed up again. And there
was a convenient car nearby that just happened to be
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owned by a guy that owns the house, and the
bad guy put her in net. Like, I'm not saying
any of those are more likely or not, but all
the stories are not as likely or more likely than
not because we don't have the facts from the me
And as we've talked about, this me discussion is hard.
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You've done the forensics, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
One of the things that has been put out there
is that nobody has seen her since July. Well, if
that's true, you're moving that needle a pretty good distance.
Now you're talking about somebody July, August, September, right, the changes.
You're not just talking about dcom. If she has been
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in the trunk of that car since July, that's probably
one reason that it's been put out there. They thought
she was beheaded. It could have looked that way when
the car was put on the tow truck and moved.
The head could have rolled. It's just that easy. You know,
there's parts if you're going to be in a trunk
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and it's going to get hot, to be just as
gross as I can be. She's turning it into soup.
And how she didn't leak out of that car, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It is nasty and gross to think about what happens
when any mammal or other living thing passes away. The
body doesn't just stop. There's not stacis, no men. All
the chemicals are still mixed up in there, All those
body processes are still chugging along.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, by eleven to fourteen days, it's no longer a body.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, And then you talk about where was it. Well,
it was in a front of a Tesla in the California.
Whoa hold on, I put a piece of chicken in
my garbage can and let it sit for Florida. It stinks.
And that's just a little piece of chicken. You've got
seventy one pounds plus of humanity with no care, with
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just the heat that the physical condition of that body
is going to be hard to adequately explain. And I
just don't know how effective the science can be when
it comes to cause of death. And everybody, remember if
that comes back as an indeterminate or cannot be you know,
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that's the entire criminal charge.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Here's what it's going to come down to. There's already
been video that's been released. We've seen it. They clearly
knew each other. They were in the same space with
each other. That's not something he can deny. She was
in the trunk of his car. Period.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm gonna correct you.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I know you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Got to say, funk share, get with the times.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Get with the times. That's right, it was in the
front of the vehicle. There's no doubt the fronk. So
you know, to me what you're looking at. It's going
to come down to her phone, his phone. When did
he stop texting and calling her? Because it doesn't matter
when he left to go on tour, doesn't matter when
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all of her other friends that were friends of his,
everybody stopped at the same roughly the same time. I
know he did. He wasn't take it. Hey girl, where
are you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah? No, and his phone. I guarantee there is going
to be some serious subpoena work going on over at
the various cell phone companies and folks, these are just records.
I know, we talk and we see these trials about
seal Brighton. No, this is just the record. This is
the same bill you get. How many times were they talking?
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When did it stop? Okay, that's a good starting point.
Let's go look there.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I'll tell you something that's happening. They're looking in places
y'all don't think they're looking. And I'll tell you one
mail deliveries orders. Was this child on birth control? Because
you can now get birth control through the mail, you
don't even have to go to a doctor.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Food deliveries. I'm seeing more and more subpoenas and other
investigations related to what we would just basically call the
digital detritus that we all create wandering through the day.
Every day, I'm deleting a thousand messages of spam and
not spam. Every day, I'm posting a thing. Every time
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you post on Facebook, there's a little thing that is
registered on the registry that says that your phone was
here about this time when you said that. And the
amount of that data is it's inconceivable unless you really
sit down and spend time thinking how much disposable data
do you leave behind without ever knowing? And that stuff's
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out there, and that's what good investigations focus on because
it's totally neutral, it's one hundred percent reliable, there's no
monkey in with it. The defense can't stand up and
start claiming that it's all nope, nope, nope, no, no, no. That's
the same record that was created every day before and
every day after. And here's the record where they interacted
in this way, which shows whatever it is, proof of life, location,
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some knowledge of a person, place or thing. Finding when
that stops is the big first.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Step that's right when it stops is key. And again,
she didn't have insurance, She didn't go to a doctor
or a dentist or things like that she didn't have
the means to do it. Anything she did, anything she purchased,
came through a source. We now believe that to be David.
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So again to your point, if uber Eats was always
for two or more people and then suddenly it's for one,
then you can see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It sounds silly, but literally it's the no he comes
to Quick or the store every day and buys a
pack of cigarette. Then that stopped, right. You don't even
need the counter attendant. You just got the camera from
the convenience store.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And terns patterns, patterns, patterns.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Literally, when they teach you evidence, they teach you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Habit habit, and when they break that habit, they break
that pattern. That's where I get That's where I get real.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Really, it's an exception to some of the admission rules
when it comes to Evans. If you can show that habit,
it comes in and the jury gets to consider it
as a habit. This is something mac does every day,
It didn't happen this day. That is then probable cause.
That is then something a specific articulable fact, which is
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a term of art for lawyers and law enforcement. That's
probable cause. It can't be just a hunch. It has
to be a specific articulable fact. And when you can
share that specific articulable fact that indicates a crime has
been violated, boom, that's how you get a warrant.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And you know, there's mistakes that are made because at
the time of the murder, only the killer knows in
that moment, so they may think, oh, I got to
get all her clothes out of here. There can't be
any any you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Know, I gotta go buy some bleach. I gotta gotta
go buy bleach.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I got to get rid of her shoes. I gotta
get big industrial trash bags.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Huh man. They just need to take a picture everybody
that buys that that giant pack of black contractor bags
in the off hours, because yes, you didn't need that
eleven o'clock in it. Now, really, I'm doing some yardwork.
You did not need that eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But if he's got a box of that in his
house and only one's been removed and the other forty
six are in.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
There, yeah right, yeah, But that's exactly what the good
investigation does, and it's getting the investigation's fingers out into
the community to show those changes and to then interact
with the people that may have had something to do
with her. That then gets into how you can generate
additional investigatory results in information When you meet these people
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on the third parties on the outside and you work
up their background and intersection with the case, Well, what
happens if that person might need something from the police
or have a different interaction with the police. Suddenly little
squeezes and encouragements and favors start happening, which are all
totally legal. We try not to, you know, cripple our
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law enforcement too much these days, and you give officers
the ability to really go do aggressive investigations pretty soon,
that's how you get the information that they didn't want shared.
And if there had been fights, if there had been issues,
for all we know, she was on the process a
storming out of an abusive relationship and was murdered, or
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on the other side of that, she was a violent
monster who had serious da da da da da, and
then during an issue she was killed and he wasn't.
I'm not saying that's gonna be the defense, but the
privilege of having a jury with an open mind is
what the law enforcement is concerned about prior to bringing charges,
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and they can't screw this up. This is high profile.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I believe David will be arrested, and I think he'll
be arrested soon. And I will tell you why. More
than all the other evidence that we all know about,
he canceled his entire tour to quote cooperate with law enforcement.
Who believes they need to sit down with law enforcement
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more than one time when a friend is killed and
you didn't kill him, Nobody thinks that's going to take
three months.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, this is your giant tour and you're just hitting
your stride now and charging more money per appearance and
selling more song. And this is someone you allegedly cared
about in your cooperation. From everything, man, this guy, there
was no question that she was probably with him. From
what I'm gathering, they basically knew where she was during
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this missing time, and it was a yeah, please have
her come home, Please have her come home, and she wouldn't.
And I don't want to beat up on parents and
stuff like that, but we will eventually get back to
that decision of that discussion. What do you do with
a fifteen year old runaway? Because that's not an easy solution.
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There's not a one, one stop fix. This is how
all fifteen year old girls get managed. If you come
up with the manual of how to manage a fifteen
year old girl, let me know, we'll sell it. I'll
make lots of money. It ain't going to be short.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, let me ask you this, what is what are
the odds that a fourteen year old girl is with
somebody who is famous that has a mansion and sexy cars,
and he's going to go in a world tour and
she hasn't told her friends from school that she didn't
have a secret Instagram page that they know about this
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under a different name. There's no way people close to
her didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Know now, and that's why I really believe that the
missing part is going to get a lot of scrutiny
because this David guy, it was just the world's worst
kept secret. You know, we're getting pictures of her concerts,
the school teacher people that she knew. There was this
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known connection between them where she had shown up and
been with him before during a runaway and then comes
back and there's allegations that he shows up and then
she disappears again. So I think there's going to be
a lot of scrutiny on the was she a runaway?
What did mom in law enforcement know or not know?
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Where was dad? What kind of discussions were had, because
I can't imagine during some of these discussions someone cop
mom was like, hey, you know she's like fourteen man, right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Agreed, before we run out of time, I got to
get your thoughts on Diddy and what happened today in court.
So leading up to this thing, people have been given
him character references and Josh, here's what just blows my mind.
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You saw the video. Man, This isn't like well, I mean,
I've never really even seen you know, so and so angry.
I've never seen him upset. Maybe behind closed doors, but
I've never seen it. You've seen the video, You've listened
to the testimony, You freaking went to one of the parties,
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you know. So, to me, every single person that wrote
one of those support letters has zero credibility.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, and I believe that that is gone to be
one of the penultimate reasons why the judge can kind
of push a lot of these letters to the side,
which is unfortunate that and we've talked about this in
prior cases. Impact letters are read they are considered, their
impact can really be limited depending on the dynamic of
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who they're coming from and what they are. You are
admitting to being around and participating in these things that
are let's just say, to fall far outside of normal
and routine and regular. Okay, But it's America. We get
lots of freedom. Okay. But then you saw him beat
the breaks off a woman on the video. Well, you
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know everybody's got a bad d No, no, no, no, no,
he beat the breaks off a woman on video. I
get it. I have fallen victim to my emotions before.
You've all heard my rants about guns are great until
you're having a bad day. Imagine if he'd had a
gun right there, God forbid. But but you're now going
to come out and I love loyalty, I love fidelity.
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We should not be judged on one incident when we
have a lifetime of bridge building just because one fell down.
It's hard to take some of those letters really seriously,
given the continued participation in a lifestyle that was unabashedly
one percent admittedly freakish, but they had a freaky sex life,
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and man, they did stuff that they got to do.
And here you are choosing this venue to come out
more than that. And this has been discussed a little bit.
Who these letters come from. I forget who it was exactly,
but basically every one of those letters had a financial
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relationship dependent on mister Colmes. And it's not to say
that it's bad to be a boss, and it's not
bad to say that you employ people and make sure
that people have a living, but that bias is got
to be ultra clear. Hey, judge, please be gentle on
my guy, because I don't get a paycheck when he's
locked up, or I'll get paid more when he's out.
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I don't think that that stuff's necessarily effective, but it
does highlight and we touched briefly on this before the show,
something that I did see.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But by you making that connection, if somebody were to
ever have to testify, that'd be the first thing I
asked him. He pay you? Are you on his payroll
at all? Did you see the video? Nothing?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Further, Yeah, these people aren't called as witnesses. You can
believe it or not defend yourself one hundred percent based
on your character and reputation. That is actually part of
the law. You do not have to address the facts
if you would like to present a pure character defense,
you are allowed to do that, and it has happened.
It's just not particularly effective tactic.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, I don't say I'm gonna need some video in
something ailse.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh yeah, no, you just can't get ten people come
out here and tell me you're a great person. That's
awesome and all that. But I've been around, I've walked
that mile before. The effective thing that I really want
people to know because I was particularly impressed. And this
is the out of the box thinking that really sets
some lawyers apart from others. Brian Steele apparently was involved
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in getting Diddy to start a program inside the jail
where he used I imagine his skills and funding and blah
blah blah blah blah to create some educational opportunities, not
for him but for the other inmates. Now those letters.
(21:44):
Sure it's self serving. Sure he wasn't just going to
do this even if he hadn't been around. No, it
is a product of the situation. But you get to
drink the lemonade after you collect the lemons, and this
is a little bit of lemonade because the judge got
to read some very good information that involved people doing
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good stuff as a direct result of Diddy being in
jail working with at risk fragile YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
That's the stuff for the judge goes, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Listen. I'm a second chance person. I hope that this
program is authentic and something he wants to really do
and not just a stunt to make himself look good
for right now, because again, patterns, patterns. Where was this
ten years ago, twenty years ago when he made his
first million? I'm just asking the question. So let me
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ask you this what explain to everybody what the Man
Act is and how that might play a role here?
Because a Man Act sounds like something I want to
be a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's the best law in America. It's one of my
absolute favorites. It is.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's one of my favorites too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's amazing and it pops up in the weirdest places.
I'm sure find story about that. The Man Act is
just absolutely one of the best laws out there. And
it's not new. Man Act has actually been around I
think since nineteen ten or something like that. It is
old and it's classic, and it shows up in the
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funniest places, because the Man Act was the federal government's
attempt to regulate prostitution because they couldn't trust the locals.
And you think about this, this is turn of the century,
one hundred and fifteen years ago. There were still some
rough and tumble parts of America. We didn't have fifty
states at this point, we had territories, and some of
these communities had lacks provisions in immoral activities, regarding immoral activities,
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so the Feds came up and said, we're going to
create a federal crime, which has almost always going to
involve crossing state lines, and that federal crime in order
to get prostitutes. We're going to say, if you bring
a woman across state lines for immoral or indecent purposes,
you're now a federal criminal. And so the local magistrate
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can't give you a slap and tickle and tell you
he'll see you at the brothel on Thursday. Because that's
really what was happening. Federal law enforcement, especially historically, very different.
When the Feds showed up in Texas, in California and
Oklahoma Man, the locals got scared because federal agents love
arresting local authorities Man Act makes it illegal to transport
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people across state lines for immoral in decent purposes. Pretty straightforward,
Pretty rare because most of those charges are prosecuted by
local authorities. However, since it's a federal law, it kind
of shows up in a bunch of random pleadings. We
have successfully used it. You can add it as a
cause of action in civil cases for violations of the
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Man Act. We have done that where we had a
business guy that was having in decent relations with one
of his employees and when he paid for her business
trip to go overseas, we used the Man Act to
say that is paying to transport her across state lines
for They got real serious, real quick, and we did
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real well on that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, let's end on a good note. Tell us about
the case of Jack Johnson.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
One of the big prominent Man Act cases. And Jack
Johnson was as famous as you get. He was one
of the legendary big man boxers of the turn of
the Center, and boxing at that era was just huge.
This is pre football. Baseball was barely a thing in
nineteen ten, boxing was the worldwide sport and Jack Johnson
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was an incredibly popular, important and divisive figure because drum roll,
he was black and back then, man, this is America
nineteen ten, that was not something that landed in humanity
all on the same level. And one of the big
issues was his taste in partners and Jack Johnson for
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nineteen ten was as progressive as you get by being
with a white woman, and that he was with a
white woman hooker, yeah, white woman, and that that didn't
land super great in different parts of America for lots
of reasons and time changes. And we're gonna avoid that commentary.
But the man acts how you get him because he
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brought a woman across state lines for indecent, immoral sexual purposes,
and that meant he got convicted and it basically ruined
his life. And that's coming up here kind of recently
because of what the President's.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Done and what did the president.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Do posthumous, you know, the clearance of the name and
issuing that pardon to right the wrongs. Yeah, and I
need all the details on it. I don't have them all,
but as I understand, he has been exonerated posthumously of
the crime which love or hate him, President Trump has
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a very clear history of relationship with women, being important
and non traditional and he has embraced that in his
large family. So I can understand why he would be
offended at the idea of someone being prosecuted merely for
bringing someone across state lines for sexual or indecent purposes,
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because come on, we've all gone on crazy trips, your
kids go on spring break, you get a prosecutor, it's
real angry at you. And suddenly, well, that boy only
paid for that girl's trip because he wanted to have
sex with her. He went to Florida from Georgia. That's
the man act. Now does that die at trial? Absolutely,
but getting to trial can be an onerous and hardship
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filled process, to say.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The least, and it can stay on that record.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh boy, wow, we talked about Genarlo Wilson. If we
ain't got time to get into that, we're called bj
Bernstein because that case. You don't understand how recent some
laws that we look at now and go that come on,
that could have never been against them. No, no, no, really,
go back twenty thirty forty years that was the law
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and it's something. But how did we just burn up
all this time? We barely touched on things this year.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It flies every night with you maybe ever.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
My dear, I'm telling it, just love it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, you have a good weekend, and you know, maybe
the man act will come up for me and Walt,
Let's see what you do.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Man, I'm trying to get me some man act here
one of these days, you know. You know, I've been
a single now for about six months. Even my daughter
was like, Dad, are you just hanging out with the
guys this fall? And I'm like, well, Dearcy isn't going
to start up here and I got all this work.
It is. Everybody deserves happiness, and really that's what I
want for everybody to have. This weekend is a moment
(29:00):
of time to reflect on the amazingness that we are
blessed with every single day, because no matter how bad
it is, it's worse somewhere else. And you have been
blessed and we got to remember that be thankful for that.
And I just hope you have an amazing week.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I can't add to that, Sugar. I appreciate you all right,
big love.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Everybody have a great week
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Sheryl McCollum
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