January 24, 2025 • 33 mins
Today Nancy and Sheryl discuss a “break from crime” and ventures in New York City with family. Meanwhile, Sheryl talks about her new role as a deputy coroner in South Carolina, where she's helping lead a one-of-a-kind mounted patrol unit. Nancy and Sheryl give updates on some of today’s most compelling cases, including the Koberger murders and the striking similarities between the Diddy allegations and the Alexander brothers’ scandal.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:15) Sheryl and Nancy give updates on their New Year “breaks”
- (3:30) The Alexander real estate brothers scandal
- (5:30) Comparisons of Sean Combs investigation
- (10:00) Sheryl’s new role a deputy coroner on horseback
- (13:30) Latest of the Kohberger case
- (16:00) Patterns of criminal behavior
- (25:00) Parenting reflections - dinner, family, and traditions
- (31:00) Closing thoughts
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Crime Round Up, the first.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Rodeo of twenty twenty five. Welcome Miss Nancy Gray Well.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello Cherl, Happy New Year. You know what. You may
have taken a vacation, but crime didn't, did it?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It did not.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let me tell you, My grandmama used to tell us
what you lord, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What you do New Year's Day is what you do
all year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So let me tell you. I didn't do nothing but things.
I enjoyed. Walk and I traveled, We played in the snow,
We played with the dog. The kids were home. We
have just had the greatest time. But you, ma'am, have
been so busy. So whereas I took not just New
(00:56):
Year's Day, but I wanted to take the first twenty
four days to set my year off right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You have just been all over the place. You have
been busy, busy, Yes I have. I have.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh my goodness. We had so much fun. We went
skating at Woolman Rink in Central Park. We went for
a carriage ride in Central Park. Lucy and I set
out on a trick and it ended up being an
hour walk each way, trying to find Cleopatra's needle in
(01:30):
Central Park, which I'll I before I had the twins,
I had gone jogging one day, all right, and I
live on the east side and staris I had all
the way across town to get to the park, and
then I was just jogging randomly in the park. I
really didn't know where I was. It's really big. And
I came upon this giant obelisk and I had never
(01:54):
seen anything like it before. So I quit running and
walked up to it. And it was covered in hieroglyphics.
It was something called Cleopatra's needle, and it was an
obelusk made thousands of years BC to raw the sun God. Okay,
that's its own story. At first, I thought I must
(02:14):
have gone in a bad place because the first thing
I saw was a huge statue to comes Sherman. Well, anyway,
that didn't go down very well right there. But that said,
I found Cleipatra's needle. So all these years past I
(02:36):
could never find it again, Like, where is it? And
I walked through the park, jogged through the park, never
saw it again. Well, we set out on a trick
to find it. John, David and David of course were
sacked out somewhere watching people walk by. We found it
in the rain and it was amazing. And let's see
(02:56):
what else do we do? Oh my goodness. We stayed
like a whole almost a whole day, I would say
about four over four hours in the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
and it was so incredible. It's one of my favorite
places in the whole world. Let's see, oh, Aunt Sheryl.
We saw a Broadway plenty, we saw Hamilton. Everybody else
(03:19):
has already seen it, okay except us, and it was
worth that. It was hilarious. Oh my goodness. If you
had seen the depiction of King George, he.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Steals the show, doesn't he totally?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Him and Jefferson hilarious. And I thought, oh, I'm gonna
fall asleep. It's gonna be three hours. It just flew by.
I can't believe it was over when it finished. We
had a great time and it was wonderful. We go
skating up there every year after after Christmas and it
was so great. But you know, justice didn't take a break.
(03:57):
Crime didn't take a break. Hey, I know we're talking
about Burger today, but are you familiar with the Alexander
real estate brothers. I'm calling them the New Didties.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Oh new Didties. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, the new Didties and that's sending YouTube today. These
three guys, they're born like Luigi Minioni. They are born
into incredible wealth, you know, and they leach off that
what their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents have done,
(04:31):
and they have these wild parties. They're like Sean comes
Is so called white parties, so everybody had to wear
white and it ended up, according to federal prosecutors, as
a way for him to send sex troulls out to
get rape victims. Then give them I guess it'll be
GHB gemma hydroxypedy rate and they wake up with intense
(04:57):
pain in their vagina and okay, so they're raped on
video idiots video. I mean, why do people keep trophies?
But these guys, these brothers, there's a set of twins
and one other brother. Real estate locals. I'm talking about
(05:19):
big time Cheryl. One of them sold the single most
expensive condo. I think it's two hundred and thirty eight
million dollars. It must be the one. This cab driver's
showing it to Lucy and me. It's at the top
of one of the high rises like those pencil fan
high rises in New York. It's like the top three
(05:42):
floors is a condo. Anyway, long story short, he made
that singal and many many others. They're rolling in millions
of dollars, Cheryl, millions. And apparently the rapes go all
the way back to when they were in high school.
High school. They had like a big van slash bus.
(06:05):
They'd park out in front of their house and bring
girls in there. And what were the parents doing? Did
they not go knock on the door of the thing
is say, what's going on in there? Right? Anyway, it's
the new Ditties, three of them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The first time I heard just even what they did
for a living, I thought, you know what, they have
access to empty homes. They have masters, They can get
strangers to meet them at an empty home.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, Cheryl, you're right. And a lot of these model
homes that already have fourishings, beautiful fourishings in there, and
I ate bedrooms. I was thinking about that and I
found this out. You know there's that photo. You gotta watch.
You gotta watch Crafts Stories tonight. It'll hit YouTube after
six o'clock, at six o'clock. But you remember how the
(06:57):
evidence shows that Diddy, who's presumed in a s until
proven guilty. Of course. What's there are these lavish parties
and then there would be this ultra exclusive party after
and that is when the rapes and sodomies would occur. Here.
These lavish parties are so there's like an eerie echo
(07:21):
of Shawn Combs. There is one instance, it's this exclusive
you know, I don't know why they called that. It
was to go to this kind of party anyway, where
when people come in the door and there's a naked
lady there for guests to drip hot wax on. Let
that sink in for a moment. I'm gonna turn around
and get out of there so fast. But it reminds
(07:43):
me of Shawn Combs's parties where he would have naked
ladies like lying on tables and people will be eting
sushy off of them. Now, I don't know, they didn't
do anything like that in rural Bev County. So maybe
I'm just, you know, not with the times.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But I mean, you know, Nancy what talk about did it?
And now the you know, the real estate rapist and
they're all in MDC.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Having a good old time messed Bosson's attentions.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They're all there now, so I would whatever kind of
party they think they can pull off there.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, they're having Beanie Weenie tonight for dinner. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Before we get into coburger, I do want to say
one thing. Last weekend, I was sworn in as a
deputy coroner in Lancaster, South Carolina by Coroner Carladice and
her first ever mounted Patrols Search and Rescue unit.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Wow, okay, I want to hear about that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
There's never been a mounted unit with a coroner's office
ever in history. Let me tell you you, of all
people would love this because these animals are so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, they are sweet, but they.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Are workhorses, like they know, you know, they can get
down this terrain that people cannot traverse by themselves. You know,
they are doing this training where they are going to
be comfortable with fire and water and crowds and noises.
They're just I mean, I can't even say enough about
these horses. But you know, Carla said, here's what we
(09:18):
need to do. We need to make sure we've got
a way to get you know, evidence out and make it,
you know, bag and tag legally, so you know, she's
letting me do a lot of the training and getting
not just the folks ready, but how do we utilize
these horses and getting evidence out. So it's going to
be a tremendous thing. It's an unbelievable team with just
(09:40):
extraordinary people. But I just knew you would love that
because you and animals. You know, it's a great way
to combine their talents and you know, people to get
the right thing done.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know what, just as long as she's not letting
you perform in the autops I feel really good about this.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I will not be honeyed, trust me.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I also want to mention one thing because I
saw something on your social media and I know you
have been loving and caring for your mama for a
long long time. And when that sweet little lady was
playing that piano in her room and knocking out that
hymn with no sheet music, Nancy, that touched me because
(10:24):
I know she's been, you know, not feeling great lately,
and just for you to hear that joyful noise and
walk into her room and see that sight, I'm going
to tell you that set.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
My New Year off in the right way.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You know, I really appreciate you saying that. She ended
up in the hospital and it was hard. It was
really hard. It reminded me of when she had COVID,
which she gave to me, by the way, because that
(10:58):
morning when she I realized that was really wrong. She
hadn't been feeling well. And I went in there and
she I had to spoon feed her. What did I
have for her that morning? Oh? I had made her
oatmeal with golden raisins in it. And she wouldn't eat,
she wouldn't drink her coffee, and she was sitting there
and I remember I spoon fed her a whole bowl
(11:21):
of oatmeal and she was not responding like, oh, like lethargic.
I'm like my star says she had a stroke, because
you know, she's sharpest attack she's held on wheels. Anyway,
I knew right then we had to get her to
the hospital. So I took her to the hospital and
(11:45):
there was a special entry because COVID had started, and
they took her into the initial so you couldn't be
around anybody else. And within fifteen minutes they said, your
mom asked COVID, I'm like, holy crap. So I jumped,
(12:05):
got her in the hospital, jumped in the car, and
raced to the school to get the twins out of school.
Uh and they hadn't actually walked into school yet. So wait,
how did that work? I got them out of school.
I can't remember all the details, and got them home
and then immediately went and we all got COVID tests
(12:26):
and we all had COVID. The reason I bring that
up is because this past couple of weeks she was
sitting on her love seat. You know, she brought all
sorts of furniture from the house and make them the
pluted in cramming that baby griand piano into her bedroom,
which I said it wouldn't fit, but guess what it does.
It's like right beside her bed, like you have a
(12:47):
bedside table. There's a baby grand ring there. Anyways, this
is what she had. She had a distant nasty cousin
of COVID called covid OC forty three. For me, it
was just really really bad chest infection. For her. She
went in the hospital for four nights, five days. You know,
(13:07):
it's hell getting out of the hospital. They never want
me to go home. And I was up there every
day lunch and dinner to feed her home cooked food,
because you know, she would claim she didn't like the
hospital food. I found out she was eating the hospital
food and what I brought her okay, and she gave
those poor nurses h E double L. I could hear
(13:30):
her like five feet away from her room. I'm like, okay,
brace yourself. I'd go in there. See. But she's home now,
thank the Lord. So you don't want to talk about
the Alexander brothers, I guess you want to talk about Coburger,
that piece of crap.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I want to talk about Coburger because now they're talking
about is he connected to this other home invasion?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And some people are saying yes, some people are saying no. Way.
You know, But you and I, you know, from the
beginning of our.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I guess friendship slash word relationship, we've always thought, in
this person who doesn't have a criminal record go from
zero to four murders.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Well, the way I look at Coburger, even what.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We know in Idaho allegedly you know he was stalking
them before, Well, that's a crime.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
He was trespassing.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I think he burglarized either that home or other homes
I think he had been in that home before.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Can I tell you what I've learned about the prior
home invasion. It was a few months before the.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
QUASERI for murders of the University Idaho students. It was
a multi tiered structure like the murder scene on King Road.
There were at least two female renters living there. There
was a basement.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The woman sleeping in the basement was like, I can't
believe he didn't come in this door. Same thing at
King Road. You know where Dylan Mortenson was downstairs and
he let her live. He didn't come in that way.
He chose another way to come in. It was in
the middle of the night, the early morning hours. The
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women in the prior incident home invasion were groggy and sleepy.
One woman saw one woman, just like in the King
Road incident, sees him come in her bedroom door wearing
a face mask and carrying a knife, and she kicked
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him in the stomach and he took off, But I
guess he didn't realize that she was partially awake. He
remained silent throughout the entire incident, much like at King Road,
except on King Road. At one point he said, I'm
here to help you. Structures were only about ten minutes apart.
(16:03):
I mean, what's the likelihood you have a white male
entering in a multi tier structure in the early morning
hours ten minutes a few months apart, with a face
mask and a knife, again a multitier structure, issuing the
obvious basement entry, and remaining silent the entire time. I mean,
(16:28):
it's a fingerprint crime. Here's the problem for the state.
I don't think they're going to be able to definitively
prove that the private incident was Coburger, and therefore it
will not come into evidence as a similar transaction. Although
I believe it was Coburger until you show me you
know who it is. I think it's co Burger.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And my question is are they doing anything with his
cell phone?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Did it pain? There?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Are there any ring cameras that will show his car again?
Are they doing any backtrack it in that regard? Because
I would be doing that. Can I put him in
that vicinity? Because if you remember early early on, he
got some traffic tickets and one of them was like
after midnight and he wasn't wearing a seat belt. Well,
(17:14):
you and I talked about that and I said to me,
not having that seat belt meant he was getting in
and out of that car quickly and just didn't re
engage it. I believe what he was doing then after
midnight was either looking in some windows, walking around trying
to decide where I'm going to hit, how I'm going
to hit, like having that window open, but the cobwebs
(17:37):
were in place. I believe whoever that burglar was was
doing that to plan ahead. I know that wind is open,
so whenever I want to go back, if they haven't
seen it, it's unlocked.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I can gain entry anytime.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You mean doing ricon.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Of course they all do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And that's why I'm saying when people say, well he
hadn't committed any crimes before the murders, Yes he has.
The stalking, the traffic tickets, the trespassing, the burglary. He's
been committing crimes all along.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We didn't know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And so a lot of these things, even when you're
talking about the real estate agents since high school, they've
been a problem.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So has Coburger. And I saved this a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Just to remind people, Coburger has not had one teacher,
one coach, one classmate, one coworker, nobody has come forward
in his defense and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Said there's no way he could have done it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
No, they all say, yeah, he was creepy. I think
he did it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is that admisserable an evidence? No? But it means something
to me, after having investigated and tried and covered I
don't even know how many cases for Pete's sake, it
means something. It means something. Can I get into evidence, No,
and I wouldn't try because that care ruin my case
in chief and could get me reversal.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But it does mean something, one hundred percent something and
going to court.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But for the detectives, that lets them know, hey, probably
on the right track here with this guy. Because nobody
has any defense for him, He's not going to be
able to put up any character witnesses, just like we.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Saw in Delphi.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, you know, you've got this guy on trial
for committing murder of these two girls, and nobody, not
a preacher, not a neighbor, not even his wife would
testify on his behalf of who.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He really is. Well, that tells you a lot to me.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And again, none of that's dimissediul into evidence. And can
I just speak to you very quickly about this prior
let's just call it the prior home invasion. Even if
we are convinced it's co Burger, even if a judge
is convinced it's co worker, I still don't think it
should come into evidence. I'll tell you why. Because an
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appellate court, I mean to allow a similar transaction in
to show motive, course of conduct, scheme, frame of mind
a fingerprint crime. One of the main tenants is that
you must be able to prove identity. You can't bring
in a similar transaction when you think Coburger did it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
There has to be a conviction, an actual fingerprint, actual
DNA something, and I witness ID something to prove identity.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So if you let this similar transaction prior home invasion
you and I think it's him come into evidence, you
could screw up and get a reversal on your case
in chief.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Screw it. Hell No, I mean yes, do I think
it's him?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yes, I think it's him until they tell me we
know who it is it's some other dude, until they
tell me that in my mind it's him. But it's
not worth screwing up, screwing up a conviction on your
case in chief. No way, amen, correct, But does it
just burn you up knowing that he had all this time?
(21:14):
And it also shows me another window into his mind
in that he, if this is him, had been scouting
and doing recon and finding the right place. It's not
just one person there, there's two women there. Uh, it's
just the similarities are overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes, a knife in his hand, wearing gloves, wearing the mask,
the multi tiered home, all of it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And again I can't emphasize how important it is that
he remained silent throughout, because you know, some perms are
in there to scare the person, and they're going to
say all kind of scary stuff to them. I'm gonna
kill you, I'm gonna rape him, I'm gonna tie you up. Uh,
they have any emo to it here? This same entering
(22:01):
through I think you came in through a door, just
like we think he did at King Road. Just the
remaining silent throughout, never saying a word, It's it's uncanny.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And with the knife already in his hand, it's clear
he wasn't there for the TV.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
What will happen with it? Probably nothing less it can
definitively be proven that that was him. But we know,
and that would always just bring me up that I
knew so much more evidence about the defense and guilt
that the jury could never know. And I just want
so much for them to know the whole truth. But
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can't risk your case in chief. Can not do it,
no matter how tempting it may be.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
And I mean, you might be able to convince a
judge and get it in, but.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You're shitting yourself in the foot. It's a long game.
The long game is a true eth. This speaks the
truth and that will hold up on appeal.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's not worth it, and you're right, it's the long game.
You've got to be patient and sometimes even though it
just burns you up and you want the jury to
know all that you know and to understand all that
you understand, you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Because here's the deal. We know he went to that
house at least eleven times.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's significant, and nobody else has been arrested for a
similar crime. And since he has been in jail, there
hasn't been another similar transaction.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, there has not. Oh man, those poor women, I mean,
they're thinking how close they came to getting murdered. Cheryl.
You know, this reminds me of the red rapist, The
red rapist I tried, Oh gosh, I remember what year
it was. He started striking in a heat wave in Atlanta,
where a lot of people would lead even an upstairs
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window open, but windows open and you would get and
he always were red and often would leave a red
rose behind like it had a date with his rape victim. Anyway,
that's a whole other can of worms. I need to
shrink for that. But for me, it's similar transaction indicator.
But there have been other women he broke in on
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and did not affect the rape for whatever reason. She
screamed she kicked him, she did, And those women live
the rest of my life thinking I came that close.
And then how the rape victims live the rest of
their life. Their lives messed up just in so many
ways I don't want to go into. But what about
these women to think Brian Coburger was in your bedroom,
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at the foot of your bed, and.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You know that one kick and he running away tells
you about him. And I think a lot of people
don't realize these rapists are punks. That's the reason they
pray on who they pray on, that's the reason they
have to have a weapon with them. That's the reason
they have to get you when you're not expecting.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It gets you when you're.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
In a vulnerable position, whether you're in the child or
in the bed asleep in the dark. These are not
brave people. And so I think when it doesn't go
their way, when he says don't scream, and you start
to scream and he runs, or you kick him in
the stomach and he runs, this is what I see
when I see Coburger. He you know, he has this
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position at the college, and people are now saying how
he treated them, especially women, especially women, And that's the
whole thing. They don't want to confront men. They don't
want to fight men. Prince tell kennon Ak whipping exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I have to pick on someone that is weaker or
less cunning, less powerful than them. That's their mentality. Like
I'm let me ask you a question about working. Okay,
your mom worked, right. Have you read all those studies
about how the more dinners or suppers you have with
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your children as a family, the less likely they are
to do drugs and alcohol. We had supper together every
night growing up, every night. Well, we didn't have any money.
We couldn't go out, so applies very like twenty five
minutes away from the closest McDonald's. For Pete says, you
know anyway, that said, there's all these studies saying that.
(26:30):
So I feel like a failure if I don't cook
dinner every night.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I get that. But I'll tell you here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You know, there were seven of us, you know, growing up,
and I don't know how my mama got home from
work and made dinner for seven people every night. And
you know I don't cook a big old meal every
single night. But I will tell you the four of us.
You know, Charlene is right next door, My sister lives
next door. You know, we try to get together even
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as a big group, as often as we can. And
I know one thing I have not been a perfect
parent by any stretch of imagination. But one thing I
know without a doubt that I have done right is
letting Huck and Caroline be exposed to my sisters at
the level that they have. They have stayed with them,
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they have you know, been educated by them, and they've
had access to them in ways that have shown them
Because my sisters.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Are better people than me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
We all agree your sisters are better people than you,
but they are. I know what you're doing. You're trying
to get focused off the fact that you didn't cook.
Separate kind of roping your sisters into your explanation.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Listen, I'll just go ahead and tell y'all Walt is
a better cook.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Walt can throw down in the kitchen. Let me tell y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Something like what give me an example.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He can make anything you want. He made trips Campy
not long ago.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I am so jealous. I want that recipe.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Anything you want he can make it. He can make barbecue.
He smokes chicken for twenty four hours before he serves it.
I mean, it's one of those just gifts. Like my
sisters leave and tell me you don't even know what
it's like to be married. He'll tell me that because
I don't have to get in the kitchen and rattle
pots of bands.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Because Walt loves to do it. He's fabulous at it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He cooked so well sometimes when he throws stuff on
a grill.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
When Sheila lived in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
As us, she could smell it and she'd say, I'm
putting on some rice.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm coming over. I won't mind coming over.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, okay, no, wait a minute, guess what I made
over the holiday. Of course, it goes without saying that.
On New Year's Day we had collared greens, black eyed peas,
and a fried chicken. I got some crawfish from Louisiana.
Do not get it from anywhere else, ryl. Don't just
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order it. And then you get some fish from China
or something like that. What is that and where what? No?
Uh huh. I got it from this place. I think
it was called Acadia. And I may crawfish at FA
the old fashioned way. I have to say, I'm no
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great Cajun cook by any stretch. It was so good,
but now they want me to make it all the time.
And it took a lot. It took a lot of effort,
slicing the onions into tiny pieces, slicing the celery into
tiny pieces, getting all that different kind of spices. And
I found something cold better than bullyon lobster base. Oh
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it was so good. I'm telling you, we pretty big time.
Oh and we do the same thing. What you do
New Year's Day, you do the rest of the year.
And you have to eat poor, so you'll eat rich
the rest of the year. Now here's our big New
Year's Eve night. Get ready. When the ball drops, we
run right at eleven fifty five. We run out on
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the front porch and we banged pots and pans really
loudly to scare away the owning year, and we throw
out penies and quarters and dimes to welcome babing in
year perfection. That's the big time at our And then
this year we spiced it up with some fireworks because
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at age seventeen, I thought they were able to light
a sparklerd Finally that's what they were supposed to do.
And then all of a sudden, there's these ball rockets
going off with the front yard. And I looked at
David and I'm like, David Lynch, you're behind this.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That is awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay, Now what are we gonna do about coburger?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Sheryls Here's what I think we're gonna do. I think
we're gonna stay on it. I know that they're headed
up there to you know, have the day.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Wait a minute, I always choked him my tie. Did
you hear the defense attorney Ann Taylor? She just argue
to the judge that the death penalty is inhumane because
I know who has to figured it out which mode
of execution they're going to use, and the judge. So
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wait a minute, we have lethal injection, and if that
is not chosen, there's a firing squad. And so I'm like,
wait a minute. She actually argued that him waiting on
death row. Uh, guess who's here?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Shut up?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
David Cheryl's husband smoked chicken for twenty hours before he
serves it. Shame, shame, shame. His green egg is his
pride and joy. Okay, wait a minute, she argued. She
argued that him having to wait on death row to
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find out how he was going to be executed is
inhumane treatment, and therefore the death penalty must be off
the table. I'm like, hey, why don't you just say, okay,
we'll go ahead, executehim right now, no waiting necessary. Would
that make her happy?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Would that make her happy?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
My favorite is when Coburger said his DNA was private.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You know, the day before yesterday he would not come
out of his cell. He's stayed in his cell and salt.
But then the next day he graced us with his oh,
his appearance. I just want to tell you one more
thing about Kyburger. Did you know there's something called Brian Nation.
Brian Nation. They're all the supporters of Brian Kyburger. Brian Nation. Okay,
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I'll leave you with that thought.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, that's a good way to end that. Hey, just
one more thing.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I want to find out his shrimps campy recipe. Oh yeah,
I also want to find out why he has to
smoke a single chicken for twenty hours.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I will give it to you, all of it. You
will love it. And let me just leave you with
one other trick. About thirty years ago, as a birthday present,
I gave him cooking lessons in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He loved it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That cooking school was the most fabulous thing you've ever seen. Really,
And what he had to do as a final exam,
he had to throw a dinner party.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
People are still talking about that dinner party.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And when I say people, I mean my brother in
laws and my sisters.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I would love to hear all about that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, I'm telling you, I'm will send it to you
because it's the best gift I ever gave him.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
The best gift I ever gave Davy was that green egg.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yet That's what I'm saying, girl, we got it panned out.
People need to listen to us.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Best thing ever and I guess the best thing he's
ever given me was a crock pot. I know it
doesn't sound romantic, now I can get Sometimes I get
three crock pots going at once. The whole house meeks
so good.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Absolutely okay, bye bye
Welcome to the Crime Round Up, the first.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Rodeo of twenty twenty five. Welcome Miss Nancy Gray Well.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello Cherl, Happy New Year. You know what. You may
have taken a vacation, but crime didn't, did it?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It did not.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let me tell you, My grandmama used to tell us
what you lord, here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
What you do New Year's Day is what you do
all year.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So let me tell you. I didn't do nothing but things.
I enjoyed. Walk and I traveled, We played in the snow,
We played with the dog. The kids were home. We
have just had the greatest time. But you, ma'am, have
been so busy. So whereas I took not just New
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Year's Day, but I wanted to take the first twenty
four days to set my year off right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You have just been all over the place. You have
been busy, busy, Yes I have. I have.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh my goodness. We had so much fun. We went
skating at Woolman Rink in Central Park. We went for
a carriage ride in Central Park. Lucy and I set
out on a trick and it ended up being an
hour walk each way, trying to find Cleopatra's needle in
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Central Park, which I'll I before I had the twins,
I had gone jogging one day, all right, and I
live on the east side and staris I had all
the way across town to get to the park, and
then I was just jogging randomly in the park. I
really didn't know where I was. It's really big. And
I came upon this giant obelisk and I had never
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seen anything like it before. So I quit running and
walked up to it. And it was covered in hieroglyphics.
It was something called Cleopatra's needle, and it was an
obelusk made thousands of years BC to raw the sun God. Okay,
that's its own story. At first, I thought I must
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have gone in a bad place because the first thing
I saw was a huge statue to comes Sherman. Well, anyway,
that didn't go down very well right there. But that said,
I found Cleipatra's needle. So all these years past I
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could never find it again, Like, where is it? And
I walked through the park, jogged through the park, never
saw it again. Well, we set out on a trick
to find it. John, David and David of course were
sacked out somewhere watching people walk by. We found it
in the rain and it was amazing. And let's see
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what else do we do? Oh my goodness. We stayed
like a whole almost a whole day, I would say
about four over four hours in the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
and it was so incredible. It's one of my favorite
places in the whole world. Let's see, oh, Aunt Sheryl.
We saw a Broadway plenty, we saw Hamilton. Everybody else
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has already seen it, okay except us, and it was
worth that. It was hilarious. Oh my goodness. If you
had seen the depiction of King George, he.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Steals the show, doesn't he totally?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Him and Jefferson hilarious. And I thought, oh, I'm gonna
fall asleep. It's gonna be three hours. It just flew by.
I can't believe it was over when it finished. We
had a great time and it was wonderful. We go
skating up there every year after after Christmas and it
was so great. But you know, justice didn't take a break.
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Crime didn't take a break. Hey, I know we're talking
about Burger today, but are you familiar with the Alexander
real estate brothers. I'm calling them the New Didties.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Oh new Didties. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, the new Didties and that's sending YouTube today. These
three guys, they're born like Luigi Minioni. They are born
into incredible wealth, you know, and they leach off that
what their parents, their grandparents, their great grandparents have done,
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and they have these wild parties. They're like Sean comes
Is so called white parties, so everybody had to wear
white and it ended up, according to federal prosecutors, as
a way for him to send sex troulls out to
get rape victims. Then give them I guess it'll be
GHB gemma hydroxypedy rate and they wake up with intense
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pain in their vagina and okay, so they're raped on
video idiots video. I mean, why do people keep trophies?
But these guys, these brothers, there's a set of twins
and one other brother. Real estate locals. I'm talking about
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big time Cheryl. One of them sold the single most
expensive condo. I think it's two hundred and thirty eight
million dollars. It must be the one. This cab driver's
showing it to Lucy and me. It's at the top
of one of the high rises like those pencil fan
high rises in New York. It's like the top three
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floors is a condo. Anyway, long story short, he made
that singal and many many others. They're rolling in millions
of dollars, Cheryl, millions. And apparently the rapes go all
the way back to when they were in high school.
High school. They had like a big van slash bus.
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They'd park out in front of their house and bring
girls in there. And what were the parents doing? Did
they not go knock on the door of the thing
is say, what's going on in there? Right? Anyway, it's
the new Ditties, three of them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The first time I heard just even what they did
for a living, I thought, you know what, they have
access to empty homes. They have masters, They can get
strangers to meet them at an empty home.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, Cheryl, you're right. And a lot of these model
homes that already have fourishings, beautiful fourishings in there, and
I ate bedrooms. I was thinking about that and I
found this out. You know there's that photo. You gotta watch.
You gotta watch Crafts Stories tonight. It'll hit YouTube after
six o'clock, at six o'clock. But you remember how the
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evidence shows that Diddy, who's presumed in a s until
proven guilty. Of course. What's there are these lavish parties
and then there would be this ultra exclusive party after
and that is when the rapes and sodomies would occur. Here.
These lavish parties are so there's like an eerie echo
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of Shawn Combs. There is one instance, it's this exclusive
you know, I don't know why they called that. It
was to go to this kind of party anyway, where
when people come in the door and there's a naked
lady there for guests to drip hot wax on. Let
that sink in for a moment. I'm gonna turn around
and get out of there so fast. But it reminds
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me of Shawn Combs's parties where he would have naked
ladies like lying on tables and people will be eting
sushy off of them. Now, I don't know, they didn't
do anything like that in rural Bev County. So maybe
I'm just, you know, not with the times.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But I mean, you know, Nancy what talk about did it?
And now the you know, the real estate rapist and
they're all in MDC.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Having a good old time messed Bosson's attentions.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They're all there now, so I would whatever kind of
party they think they can pull off there.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, they're having Beanie Weenie tonight for dinner. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Before we get into coburger, I do want to say
one thing. Last weekend, I was sworn in as a
deputy coroner in Lancaster, South Carolina by Coroner Carladice and
her first ever mounted Patrols Search and Rescue unit.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Wow, okay, I want to hear about that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
There's never been a mounted unit with a coroner's office
ever in history. Let me tell you you, of all
people would love this because these animals are so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, they are sweet, but they.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Are workhorses, like they know, you know, they can get
down this terrain that people cannot traverse by themselves. You know,
they are doing this training where they are going to
be comfortable with fire and water and crowds and noises.
They're just I mean, I can't even say enough about
these horses. But you know, Carla said, here's what we
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need to do. We need to make sure we've got
a way to get you know, evidence out and make it,
you know, bag and tag legally, so you know, she's
letting me do a lot of the training and getting
not just the folks ready, but how do we utilize
these horses and getting evidence out. So it's going to
be a tremendous thing. It's an unbelievable team with just
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extraordinary people. But I just knew you would love that
because you and animals. You know, it's a great way
to combine their talents and you know, people to get
the right thing done.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know what, just as long as she's not letting
you perform in the autops I feel really good about this.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I will not be honeyed, trust me.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But I also want to mention one thing because I
saw something on your social media and I know you
have been loving and caring for your mama for a
long long time. And when that sweet little lady was
playing that piano in her room and knocking out that
hymn with no sheet music, Nancy, that touched me because
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I know she's been, you know, not feeling great lately,
and just for you to hear that joyful noise and
walk into her room and see that sight, I'm going
to tell you that set.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
My New Year off in the right way.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You know, I really appreciate you saying that. She ended
up in the hospital and it was hard. It was
really hard. It reminded me of when she had COVID,
which she gave to me, by the way, because that
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morning when she I realized that was really wrong. She
hadn't been feeling well. And I went in there and
she I had to spoon feed her. What did I
have for her that morning? Oh? I had made her
oatmeal with golden raisins in it. And she wouldn't eat,
she wouldn't drink her coffee, and she was sitting there
and I remember I spoon fed her a whole bowl
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of oatmeal and she was not responding like, oh, like lethargic.
I'm like my star says she had a stroke, because
you know, she's sharpest attack she's held on wheels. Anyway,
I knew right then we had to get her to
the hospital. So I took her to the hospital and
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there was a special entry because COVID had started, and
they took her into the initial so you couldn't be
around anybody else. And within fifteen minutes they said, your
mom asked COVID, I'm like, holy crap. So I jumped,
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got her in the hospital, jumped in the car, and
raced to the school to get the twins out of school.
Uh and they hadn't actually walked into school yet. So wait,
how did that work? I got them out of school.
I can't remember all the details, and got them home
and then immediately went and we all got COVID tests
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and we all had COVID. The reason I bring that
up is because this past couple of weeks she was
sitting on her love seat. You know, she brought all
sorts of furniture from the house and make them the
pluted in cramming that baby griand piano into her bedroom,
which I said it wouldn't fit, but guess what it does.
It's like right beside her bed, like you have a
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bedside table. There's a baby grand ring there. Anyways, this
is what she had. She had a distant nasty cousin
of COVID called covid OC forty three. For me, it
was just really really bad chest infection. For her. She
went in the hospital for four nights, five days. You know,
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it's hell getting out of the hospital. They never want
me to go home. And I was up there every
day lunch and dinner to feed her home cooked food,
because you know, she would claim she didn't like the
hospital food. I found out she was eating the hospital
food and what I brought her okay, and she gave
those poor nurses h E double L. I could hear
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her like five feet away from her room. I'm like, okay,
brace yourself. I'd go in there. See. But she's home now,
thank the Lord. So you don't want to talk about
the Alexander brothers, I guess you want to talk about Coburger,
that piece of crap.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I want to talk about Coburger because now they're talking
about is he connected to this other home invasion?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And some people are saying yes, some people are saying no. Way.
You know, But you and I, you know, from the
beginning of our.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I guess friendship slash word relationship, we've always thought, in
this person who doesn't have a criminal record go from
zero to four murders.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Well, the way I look at Coburger, even what.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We know in Idaho allegedly you know he was stalking
them before, Well, that's a crime.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
He was trespassing.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I think he burglarized either that home or other homes
I think he had been in that home before.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Can I tell you what I've learned about the prior
home invasion. It was a few months before the.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
QUASERI for murders of the University Idaho students. It was
a multi tiered structure like the murder scene on King Road.
There were at least two female renters living there. There
was a basement.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
The woman sleeping in the basement was like, I can't
believe he didn't come in this door. Same thing at
King Road. You know where Dylan Mortenson was downstairs and
he let her live. He didn't come in that way.
He chose another way to come in. It was in
the middle of the night, the early morning hours. The
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women in the prior incident home invasion were groggy and sleepy.
One woman saw one woman, just like in the King
Road incident, sees him come in her bedroom door wearing
a face mask and carrying a knife, and she kicked
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him in the stomach and he took off, But I
guess he didn't realize that she was partially awake. He
remained silent throughout the entire incident, much like at King Road,
except on King Road. At one point he said, I'm
here to help you. Structures were only about ten minutes apart.
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I mean, what's the likelihood you have a white male
entering in a multi tier structure in the early morning
hours ten minutes a few months apart, with a face
mask and a knife, again a multitier structure, issuing the
obvious basement entry, and remaining silent the entire time. I mean,
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it's a fingerprint crime. Here's the problem for the state.
I don't think they're going to be able to definitively
prove that the private incident was Coburger, and therefore it
will not come into evidence as a similar transaction. Although
I believe it was Coburger until you show me you
know who it is. I think it's co Burger.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And my question is are they doing anything with his
cell phone?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Did it pain? There?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Are there any ring cameras that will show his car again?
Are they doing any backtrack it in that regard? Because
I would be doing that. Can I put him in
that vicinity? Because if you remember early early on, he
got some traffic tickets and one of them was like
after midnight and he wasn't wearing a seat belt. Well,
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you and I talked about that and I said to me,
not having that seat belt meant he was getting in
and out of that car quickly and just didn't re
engage it. I believe what he was doing then after
midnight was either looking in some windows, walking around trying
to decide where I'm going to hit, how I'm going
to hit, like having that window open, but the cobwebs
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were in place. I believe whoever that burglar was was
doing that to plan ahead. I know that wind is open,
so whenever I want to go back, if they haven't
seen it, it's unlocked.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I can gain entry anytime.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You mean doing ricon.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Of course they all do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And that's why I'm saying when people say, well he
hadn't committed any crimes before the murders, Yes he has.
The stalking, the traffic tickets, the trespassing, the burglary. He's
been committing crimes all along.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We didn't know.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And so a lot of these things, even when you're
talking about the real estate agents since high school, they've
been a problem.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So has Coburger. And I saved this a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Just to remind people, Coburger has not had one teacher,
one coach, one classmate, one coworker, nobody has come forward
in his defense and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Said there's no way he could have done it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
No, they all say, yeah, he was creepy. I think
he did it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is that admisserable an evidence? No? But it means something
to me, after having investigated and tried and covered I
don't even know how many cases for Pete's sake, it
means something. It means something. Can I get into evidence, No,
and I wouldn't try because that care ruin my case
in chief and could get me reversal.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But it does mean something, one hundred percent something and
going to court.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But for the detectives, that lets them know, hey, probably
on the right track here with this guy. Because nobody
has any defense for him, He's not going to be
able to put up any character witnesses, just like we.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Saw in Delphi.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, you know, you've got this guy on trial
for committing murder of these two girls, and nobody, not
a preacher, not a neighbor, not even his wife would
testify on his behalf of who.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He really is. Well, that tells you a lot to me.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And again, none of that's dimissediul into evidence. And can
I just speak to you very quickly about this prior
let's just call it the prior home invasion. Even if
we are convinced it's co Burger, even if a judge
is convinced it's co worker, I still don't think it
should come into evidence. I'll tell you why. Because an
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appellate court, I mean to allow a similar transaction in
to show motive, course of conduct, scheme, frame of mind
a fingerprint crime. One of the main tenants is that
you must be able to prove identity. You can't bring
in a similar transaction when you think Coburger did it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
There has to be a conviction, an actual fingerprint, actual
DNA something, and I witness ID something to prove identity.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So if you let this similar transaction prior home invasion
you and I think it's him come into evidence, you
could screw up and get a reversal on your case
in chief.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Screw it. Hell No, I mean yes, do I think
it's him?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yes, I think it's him until they tell me we
know who it is it's some other dude, until they
tell me that in my mind it's him. But it's
not worth screwing up, screwing up a conviction on your
case in chief. No way, amen, correct, But does it
just burn you up knowing that he had all this time?
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And it also shows me another window into his mind
in that he, if this is him, had been scouting
and doing recon and finding the right place. It's not
just one person there, there's two women there. Uh, it's
just the similarities are overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes, a knife in his hand, wearing gloves, wearing the mask,
the multi tiered home, all of it.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And again I can't emphasize how important it is that
he remained silent throughout, because you know, some perms are
in there to scare the person, and they're going to
say all kind of scary stuff to them. I'm gonna
kill you, I'm gonna rape him, I'm gonna tie you up. Uh,
they have any emo to it here? This same entering
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through I think you came in through a door, just
like we think he did at King Road. Just the
remaining silent throughout, never saying a word, It's it's uncanny.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And with the knife already in his hand, it's clear
he wasn't there for the TV.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
What will happen with it? Probably nothing less it can
definitively be proven that that was him. But we know,
and that would always just bring me up that I
knew so much more evidence about the defense and guilt
that the jury could never know. And I just want
so much for them to know the whole truth. But
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can't risk your case in chief. Can not do it,
no matter how tempting it may be.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
And I mean, you might be able to convince a
judge and get it in, but.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You're shitting yourself in the foot. It's a long game.
The long game is a true eth. This speaks the
truth and that will hold up on appeal.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's not worth it, and you're right, it's the long game.
You've got to be patient and sometimes even though it
just burns you up and you want the jury to
know all that you know and to understand all that
you understand, you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Because here's the deal. We know he went to that
house at least eleven times.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's significant, and nobody else has been arrested for a
similar crime. And since he has been in jail, there
hasn't been another similar transaction.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
No, there has not. Oh man, those poor women, I mean,
they're thinking how close they came to getting murdered. Cheryl.
You know, this reminds me of the red rapist, The
red rapist I tried, Oh gosh, I remember what year
it was. He started striking in a heat wave in Atlanta,
where a lot of people would lead even an upstairs
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window open, but windows open and you would get and
he always were red and often would leave a red
rose behind like it had a date with his rape victim. Anyway,
that's a whole other can of worms. I need to
shrink for that. But for me, it's similar transaction indicator.
But there have been other women he broke in on
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and did not affect the rape for whatever reason. She
screamed she kicked him, she did, And those women live
the rest of my life thinking I came that close.
And then how the rape victims live the rest of
their life. Their lives messed up just in so many
ways I don't want to go into. But what about
these women to think Brian Coburger was in your bedroom,
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at the foot of your bed, and.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You know that one kick and he running away tells
you about him. And I think a lot of people
don't realize these rapists are punks. That's the reason they
pray on who they pray on, that's the reason they
have to have a weapon with them. That's the reason
they have to get you when you're not expecting.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It gets you when you're.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
In a vulnerable position, whether you're in the child or
in the bed asleep in the dark. These are not
brave people. And so I think when it doesn't go
their way, when he says don't scream, and you start
to scream and he runs, or you kick him in
the stomach and he runs, this is what I see
when I see Coburger. He you know, he has this
(25:24):
position at the college, and people are now saying how
he treated them, especially women, especially women, And that's the
whole thing. They don't want to confront men. They don't
want to fight men. Prince tell kennon Ak whipping exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I have to pick on someone that is weaker or
less cunning, less powerful than them. That's their mentality. Like
I'm let me ask you a question about working. Okay,
your mom worked, right. Have you read all those studies
about how the more dinners or suppers you have with
(26:06):
your children as a family, the less likely they are
to do drugs and alcohol. We had supper together every
night growing up, every night. Well, we didn't have any money.
We couldn't go out, so applies very like twenty five
minutes away from the closest McDonald's. For Pete says, you
know anyway, that said, there's all these studies saying that.
(26:30):
So I feel like a failure if I don't cook
dinner every night.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I get that. But I'll tell you here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You know, there were seven of us, you know, growing up,
and I don't know how my mama got home from
work and made dinner for seven people every night. And
you know I don't cook a big old meal every
single night. But I will tell you the four of us.
You know, Charlene is right next door, My sister lives
next door. You know, we try to get together even
(26:59):
as a big group, as often as we can. And
I know one thing I have not been a perfect
parent by any stretch of imagination. But one thing I
know without a doubt that I have done right is
letting Huck and Caroline be exposed to my sisters at
the level that they have. They have stayed with them,
(27:19):
they have you know, been educated by them, and they've
had access to them in ways that have shown them
Because my sisters.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Are better people than me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
We all agree your sisters are better people than you,
but they are. I know what you're doing. You're trying
to get focused off the fact that you didn't cook.
Separate kind of roping your sisters into your explanation.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Listen, I'll just go ahead and tell y'all Walt is
a better cook.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Walt can throw down in the kitchen. Let me tell y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Something like what give me an example.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He can make anything you want. He made trips Campy
not long ago.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I am so jealous. I want that recipe.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Anything you want he can make it. He can make barbecue.
He smokes chicken for twenty four hours before he serves it.
I mean, it's one of those just gifts. Like my
sisters leave and tell me you don't even know what
it's like to be married. He'll tell me that because
I don't have to get in the kitchen and rattle
pots of bands.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Because Walt loves to do it. He's fabulous at it.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
He cooked so well sometimes when he throws stuff on
a grill.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
When Sheila lived in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
As us, she could smell it and she'd say, I'm
putting on some rice.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm coming over. I won't mind coming over.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, okay, no, wait a minute, guess what I made
over the holiday. Of course, it goes without saying that.
On New Year's Day we had collared greens, black eyed peas,
and a fried chicken. I got some crawfish from Louisiana.
Do not get it from anywhere else, ryl. Don't just
(28:57):
order it. And then you get some fish from China
or something like that. What is that and where what? No?
Uh huh. I got it from this place. I think
it was called Acadia. And I may crawfish at FA
the old fashioned way. I have to say, I'm no
(29:23):
great Cajun cook by any stretch. It was so good,
but now they want me to make it all the time.
And it took a lot. It took a lot of effort,
slicing the onions into tiny pieces, slicing the celery into
tiny pieces, getting all that different kind of spices. And
I found something cold better than bullyon lobster base. Oh
(29:44):
it was so good. I'm telling you, we pretty big time.
Oh and we do the same thing. What you do
New Year's Day, you do the rest of the year.
And you have to eat poor, so you'll eat rich
the rest of the year. Now here's our big New
Year's Eve night. Get ready. When the ball drops, we
run right at eleven fifty five. We run out on
(30:05):
the front porch and we banged pots and pans really
loudly to scare away the owning year, and we throw
out penies and quarters and dimes to welcome babing in
year perfection. That's the big time at our And then
this year we spiced it up with some fireworks because
(30:26):
at age seventeen, I thought they were able to light
a sparklerd Finally that's what they were supposed to do.
And then all of a sudden, there's these ball rockets
going off with the front yard. And I looked at
David and I'm like, David Lynch, you're behind this.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That is awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay, Now what are we gonna do about coburger?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Sheryls Here's what I think we're gonna do. I think
we're gonna stay on it. I know that they're headed
up there to you know, have the day.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Wait a minute, I always choked him my tie. Did
you hear the defense attorney Ann Taylor? She just argue
to the judge that the death penalty is inhumane because
I know who has to figured it out which mode
of execution they're going to use, and the judge. So
(31:12):
wait a minute, we have lethal injection, and if that
is not chosen, there's a firing squad. And so I'm like,
wait a minute. She actually argued that him waiting on
death row. Uh, guess who's here?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Shut up?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
David Cheryl's husband smoked chicken for twenty hours before he
serves it. Shame, shame, shame. His green egg is his
pride and joy. Okay, wait a minute, she argued. She
argued that him having to wait on death row to
(31:47):
find out how he was going to be executed is
inhumane treatment, and therefore the death penalty must be off
the table. I'm like, hey, why don't you just say, okay,
we'll go ahead, executehim right now, no waiting necessary. Would
that make her happy?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Would that make her happy?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
My favorite is when Coburger said his DNA was private.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You know, the day before yesterday he would not come
out of his cell. He's stayed in his cell and salt.
But then the next day he graced us with his oh,
his appearance. I just want to tell you one more
thing about Kyburger. Did you know there's something called Brian Nation.
Brian Nation. They're all the supporters of Brian Kyburger. Brian Nation. Okay,
(32:31):
I'll leave you with that thought.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, that's a good way to end that. Hey, just
one more thing.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I want to find out his shrimps campy recipe. Oh yeah,
I also want to find out why he has to
smoke a single chicken for twenty hours.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I will give it to you, all of it. You
will love it. And let me just leave you with
one other trick. About thirty years ago, as a birthday present,
I gave him cooking lessons in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
He loved it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That cooking school was the most fabulous thing you've ever seen. Really,
And what he had to do as a final exam,
he had to throw a dinner party.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
People are still talking about that dinner party.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And when I say people, I mean my brother in
laws and my sisters.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I would love to hear all about that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, I'm telling you, I'm will send it to you
because it's the best gift I ever gave him.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
The best gift I ever gave Davy was that green egg.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yet That's what I'm saying, girl, we got it panned out.
People need to listen to us.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Best thing ever and I guess the best thing he's
ever given me was a crock pot. I know it
doesn't sound romantic, now I can get Sometimes I get
three crock pots going at once. The whole house meeks
so good.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Absolutely okay, bye bye
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