October 24, 2025 • 32 mins
It starts with a single message: “I’ve been taken.” Within minutes, panic spreads, officers mobilize, and fear grips an entire community. But what if the whole thing is a lie? In this week's episode of Crime Roundup, Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer explore the rise of modern hoaxes, from a Florida teen’s fake abduction to the mysterious disappearance of a Cobb County dentist. They expose how a single false story can spiral into chaos and change the lives of everyone it touches.
Highlights:
- (0:00) Welcome to Crime Roundup with Sheryl McCollum and Joshua Schiffer
- (2:00) A 17-year-old's fake kidnapping text, Susan Smith’s lies, and other infamous hoaxes
- (6:00) False reports and how they create first responder fatigue
- (7:30) Scene vs. Story: vague details, missing specifics, and suspicious Walmart purchases
- (11:15) The cost of hoaxes: mobilizing resources and fueling fear
- (14:15) Philadelphia's missing person case and signs of authentic urgency
- (15:15) Cobb County's missing dentist: social media’s role, cascading lies, and loved one’s involvement
- (23:00) Sheryl McCollum: “A lie is as good as a confession.”
- (23:45) Parental instincts vs. Truth: the Landry family’s heartbreak
- (25:30) Joshua Schiffer: “All lies are burdens. They are rocks in your pockets.”
- (29:00) Instincts during real emergencies: how victims respond under threat
- (32:15) Closing reflections
About the Hosts
Joshua Schiffer is a veteran trial attorney and one of the Southeast’s most respected legal voices. He is a founding partner at ChancoSchiffer P.C., where he has litigated high-stakes criminal, civil rights, and personal injury cases for over two decades. Known for his bold courtroom presence and ability to clearly explain complex legal issues, Schiffer is a frequent media contributor and a fearless advocate for accountability.
Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnline, a forensic and crime scene expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and co-author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. She is the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a national collaboration that advances techniques for solving cold cases and assists families and law enforcement with unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnappings.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to Crime Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I
am joined as always with Joshua Schiffer and y'all. I'm
already laughing. I'm so sorry, but if y'all could have
just heard the discussion off air, you know what is
going on at your house.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm trying to get her under control of Caryl's. I
tell her it's time to record. You are not allowed
to lick the condensation off my tasty arnold palmer. But
Justice Kitty is like, oh you monster. All you do
is provide giant bowls of food and cold fresh water.
I'm gonna need to go lick this cup next to
(00:47):
a microphone so that everybody listening is going, what's the
licking noise there?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And then headbutt you when you take it away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The head budding is it's affectionate, and I know, but
you also realize that's how they leave their scent on you.
That's that's claiming you. So one of the odd things
that they don't teach you in criminal defense lawyer in
school is if you can rub your face on jurors,
you win. You have never lost a case where I've
been allowed to rub my face on jurors, and I'll
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go to grave with that, not one Oh mercy.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I tell you, she cracks me up. She's a star,
That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's she needs needs.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
She needs a spotlight, she needs a spotlight, and she
gets people that need a spotlight.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was gonna say this is the radio gold Girl,
Gold Gold.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But you know, there are people that you know, stage
a scene. There are hoaxes out there that you know,
we can dive deep into the reason they need to
do it. But I think for our purposes today to
talk about when they happen. There's a seventeen year old
(02:04):
kid in Florida that sent his mom a text message.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Can you just imagine?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And you know the text message bothered me right off
the bat. Yeah, And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And we see this not necessarily just with seventeen year olds,
but the want of a not just a lie, but
a whopper, you know, not just a little oh yeah,
I didn't do that. I forgot that. I'm busy next
to No, let's write us out a whopper of a lie.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I mean the way he even starts is wrong.
I mean, anybody that has dealt with any real just
emergency You're gonna get to the point as quick as
you can, and you were gonna be concise. You were
going to be just as accurate as you've ever been
(03:01):
in your life. Because it's happening right now. Anybody listen
to us, it's ever called now one one. You've never
been so on point. You're telling them exactly what's going on,
exactly where you are, and exactly what you need.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The reality checking starts faster the bigger the lae you tell.
And that's what really that reality checking is where it
all starts falling apart. Because you may think, oh, I'm smart,
Oh this is gonna be I'm just gonna wrap this up.
There's no loose ends. You have not thought about what
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happens with a missing person until you've actually seen one
on the inside. There are a thousand questions you don't
have the answer to, and that's what ends up happening
with this case with the seventeen year old. There was
just that mom here locally, the cute dentist, and I
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feel terrible for her husband. But it goes back to
some of the big cases. You know, we're talking about
the Smith case with the kids in the lake. You know,
you really get into some of these whopper lies that
exist on a spectrum from you know, less egregiously harmful
(04:19):
like I've disappeared I've been, but still serious all the
way up through real serious, horrific crime. I remember that
girl on Alabama last year who disappeared and then you
know it was found just down the street then and
then it was just mystery land what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
That's right, And again even with her story from Alabama,
you're driving down the expressway in the dark, so you've
only got headlights, So what are you talking about? Four
feet and if you're driving seventy miles an hour, you're
telling me you saw a baby and we're able to
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pull over close enough to that baby. Not a chance.
Anybody that's ever seen anything on this side of the
road and tried to pull over, you're way past it
before you can do.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That, especially something the size of a bread box. You're
not talking about, you know, a semi pull ar car.
Put No, you're talking about little teeny package. And it
just it. And I think there's so many different motivations
for why people choose that moment to make that decision,
(05:32):
and I hope that their brain quickly gets into the
Oh boy, I screwed up. How do I talk my
way out of this mode? But what we're seeing is
people that just doubled down and they say, oh, they
bought the first part, so I, you know, got out
of whatever I needed to go to, got the attention
that I wanted. Someone gave me the stimulus that I
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was lacking. But so many of them don't get that
and doubled down and keep the lie going, which ends
up causing really serious problems with law enforcement and the
legitimacy of callouts because the boy who cried wealth you
get law enforcement and first responders who, if they are
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abused enough by inappropriate calls by you know, some of
the junk that just comes through, they lose some of
that alacrity that is really necessary when you are encountering
a real emergency, because no one's better than our first
responders when they are literally throwing themselves into the line
(06:37):
of fire in order to rescue people. Are especially our
medical first responder are firefighters. They are not there going
out there trying to get people at no. They want
to make sure people are safe and go back to
the office.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, as a mama of a male I will tell
you this. It goes from when they're little they call
you mama or mommy, whatever they choose, and then somewhere
along the way it becomes mom and it kind of
breaks your heart a little, but you know it's coming.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, Oh those whys, those whys are something you know.
You lose the why Everything changes Dan to Danny, Oh men, Tom, Tommy,
Oh boy, you're talking earth shattering changes. When when that
why drops off? Mommy?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yep, And I'll tell you my son now is twenty four.
If there is an emergency, he will say mama. Like
he he almost reverts back a little bit. When I
saw the text message and it started with mom, I
threw a flag right there. First of all, you're in
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the middle of being kidnapped and you send a text message,
not a call to now one.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
One, dearest mother. Things at the front have turned against using.
The bombs are dropping all around us, and it's made
it difficult to enjoy the fine tea and the exactly
exactly the very distracting to have these death and murder around.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Us, right, So that becomes the first thing that just
leaps out at me. So he wants you to believe
these four Hispanics. And again he doesn't say male or
female people just fault. He meant men, but he never
said it. So in the world of you know, statement analysis,
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if you don't say it, we don't say it for you.
So you don't even identify who these people are.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Huh, flag man as well, just say and the bogeyman,
because that's the chup of Cabra. You know, sasquatch knocked
on the sho and grab me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's right. So like Susan Smith blamed a black man,
he's blaming for Hispanics. Now when you look at the truck,
all four doors are open. Now does it take four
grown men to get a seventeen year old out of
the car if you've got a gun?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It strains credulity to sound like a judge that that
is what happened. And that's again flag on the play
and it's a big red one.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It is a big red one. And it looks so
staged because it's right in this little intersection in the
middle of nowhere, no lights, no cameras, no houses, not
a lot of people coming by, and there is a gunshot,
bullet hole in the truck. So when CSI gets there,
like oh man, this is kind of serious.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I believe the bullet hole missed all the important parts
of the truck as well. It did.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And it's like that person, Yes, but it's like the
person that fakes cried. There are no tears.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh yeah, there was no blood, Josh.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you've got a text message that we believe is
bogus because you know, again you're in the middle of
being kidnapped and you're texting somehow four grown men are
wrastling you out of that car, but you're able to
text hold.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
On, I'm almost done with this. Siri has a misspelling
I've got hold on, I don't. My mom is a stickler,
for he's a stickler.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And then his phone, of course, is damaged and thrown
right there, as if he had been in some big fight.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
For his life. Better than the sim card getting driven
out to a military base and thrown away, but the
same same impact.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yes, the phone is correct, correct, It's just something that
makes you go, now, that didn't happen like that. And
then of course detectives are gonna do what they do.
They're gonna work backwards. And then we see here he
is at Walmart behind a ten and a bicycle.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Which is admittedly, if you're gonna run away a ten
of bicycle comics, pretty good sense, but it's obviously yet
another ridiculous red flag. And I think the frustration is
we see this pattern and it just exists in the
population at a very small but very real percentage x
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number out of so many people are at some point
find it appropriate to make a very dramatic lie call
that is going to mobilize tens of thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands, and sometimes millions of dollars of our resources.
(11:53):
And it's a frustration when the justice part comes, because
how do you treat someone that's seven team and did
something this catastrophically dumb and poorly thought out? And what
do you do? Is this case going to be one
where we're going to educate the next crop of seventeen
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year olds, because there are several million future seventeen year
olds out there, and unless we're just going to start handling,
what do we do about that? Because they don't know
these stories, they don't have that context that we do
about how these big lies eventually become a big national joke,
because it still causes very real harm and very real
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fear and for parts of the community that are just afraid,
and there's just part of our world that's just afraid,
and fear is what drives them, It's what drives their decisions.
This feeds them, amps them up, jumps them, and that
leads us to this Cobb County one. How do we
and what do we do to deal with these kinds
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of societal and cultural issues, because you.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Know, the last thing you want to do is not
move on it, to just say, well, this is probably
another hoax, This is probably another you know, red hair
in this is somebody trying to get attention, because as
soon as you do that, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
What's going to happen, guarantee, because hold on, Cheryl, there
are bad people out there doing bad things, very randomly
and unexpectedly. Look at that horrific case that was tried
last week. I'm blank, aren't bliss the mentally ill woman
and the baby and oh god, as sad as you get,
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as traumatic, as preventable had we done the right thing
and kept a dangerous mentally ill person covered up in
our system by giving them the appropriate resources and taking
care of preventing that danger. Because when we do have
those horrific incidents. No one is better than our first responders.
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No one's more needed than our first responders.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Look at the case we have right now out of Philadelphia, KATEA. Scott.
She goes to work, she checks into work, People see
her at work and then gone, Well, a lot of
people right out of the gate may say, well, she
just ran off, she didn't want to work. You know,
it didn't work out to be a beauty queen, she
took a powder whatever. No, you've got to take all
(14:36):
of these cases seriously. You got to put everything you
got on them, because again, what happened to her, it
was quick. This was a tight time frame. This was
a tight area from her place of business to where
they found her personal belongings to where they found his
car ditched. It's a little triangle you're talking about miles
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not along this.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Real discreete easy to section off and make sure that
you're doing a good investigation. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So sometimes the hoaxes, like the young seventeen year old,
he gave us a lot of flags really quick. Nothing
about that look legit, none of it. But other cases
you go, well, maybe maybe there's something to it, like
in cob County with the dentist, a ton of people
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online because listen, y'all, y'all know this. Nine one one
operators are involved, they get street officers involved, they get
detectives involved, they get other agencies involved. It ain't just
cob County that was looking for her, Fulton County, Guenec County.
I'm telling you, everybody's looking for her. They get the
poster up, be on the lookout. Well. Now social media
(15:51):
is involved. Honey, co workers, neighbors, her son's friends, her
husband's co workers, her clients, everybody sharing it. You're talking
about ten thousand people pretty quick. That turns into a million.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And that scaling happens instantaneously. I know that, and merely
I'm a little bit overexposed to some of this stuff
because of my life. But the scaling, increasing sharing of knowledge,
and these emergencies, because we all realize how important the fast,
(16:27):
accurate response is. It gets out there in a heartbeat,
and what's happened in this case. I feel terrible for
her husband. I feel terrible for the other people involved,
the dental practice that she works at, all these other
ripples in the pond from what is apparently a lady
(16:49):
that fifty years old just didn't go to work and
just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Everybody said the same thing. It's not like her. She
would not fail to come to work. And her cell
phone is left at her house. She and her purse
or her wallet nowhere to be found. Then her car.
They always love to say abandon.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And husband was out of town visiting their kid in college.
This isn't one of these families that you know there's
a bunch of young no, no, no, this was solid
Americana suburban life. Like this is not wild and crazy.
We're talking married, kid, some pets, lots of vacation photos,
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great people, and so you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Know, people can't help themselves. They're like, oh, the husband
just happened to be out of town. Well she has
to know if she had something to do with a hoax.
I don't know, if it's a medical mental I don't
know what happened to her. We don't know yet. We
just know she has thankfully been found alive. But I'm
saying the people on social media, you know, the husband's
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always looked at right, and you know it came out
that co workers reported her missing. Why didn't he report
her missing? Why is he conveniently out of town? Was
it for an alibi? Was this a murder for her?
Like people are just wildfire. They're questioning their marriage, they're
questioning whether or not he had something to do with
her disappearance. That's not fair to him.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's not fair to him at all. And again it
illustrates how we should all just slow down for just
a second there, y'all. Like, I know how important the
immediate response is. We need to let our resources search
for people. We need to take these reports extraordinarily seriously,
(18:45):
while also remembering the cynicism that we've all seen and
we've all experienced where these so often are found out
to be something that I believe is mentally related. And
I'm not going to go as far as say that's
a mental illness. You can have a stressful incident at
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a low point or at a specific juncture wherein you
would make a decision that otherwise you would never make.
And as we see in criminal justice time and time again,
the first bad decision, it's just the handshake. It's just
meeting the rest of the ridiculous decisions that people start
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making once they feel the ball is rolling. It ain't
gathering no more moss, it's rolling downhill fast and they
start telling another.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Lie and Joshua. Sometimes they get people to back them up.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And in the case of the seventeen year old boy,
his mama kind of backed him up.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, and that's how we get into you know, when
you're watching a case and you're like, hold on, that
don't make no sense. It wouldn't have happened what we
are so often missing and you I haven't seen unless
you've really maybe been inside investigation. That contradictory, problematic bit
of information. Everybody knows it. But how are you going
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to expand that case in a way driving your purpose
and mission as an investigator as opposed to causing more
additional problems for an eventual case or prosecution or successful resolution.
As soon as son lies and mom starts to cover up, okay,
so now we got another thread and pathway of lies.
(20:33):
And then what happens when someone goes, oh, yes, Susan,
she did tell me, Well, there's another settle lies in
this spider web, and exponentially, in a absolutely parabolic manner,
lies replicate, they breathe, and they weigh on you. Thankfully,
(20:56):
law enforcement knows this, and as long as they can
catch lie most of the time, they're real good at
tracking it back to the source. And that's really how
good investigations can take place, because the less culpable liar
is easier to shift off their position and oh, yep,
(21:18):
you got me, I did lie. Steve really wasn't there
on Tuesday. Okay. Well, now that we've established Steve isn't
there on Tuesday, anything else you're lying about? No, no, no, nothing,
nose okay, because I'm choosing not to charge you for obstruction.
And that's what explains so often when we've got a
big question out there in a big case, the answer
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is there and it's known by law enforcement, and it
probably involved a witness or other collaborator being busted on
a lie. Because it also explains how otherwise wonderful people
get wrapped up in horrible stuff. I don't care how
good and moral and wonderful you are. You're loved one,
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your most important person in the world, comes to you
in a panic. Something has gone code read Defcon nine
its emergency time. Fires are raging. You will do or
say lots of things, including dishonest, bad plant ooh, in
order to help save that person you love. That's where
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the mistake happens more often than not. And when law
enforcement can identify that mistake, that betrayal of your otherwise
duties to the world in the effort to protect someone
that you care about, that's where the crack forms. And
if you can get in there, pride open, you will
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get to the end of that lie and you will
find out how, what, where, why that lie got told,
and what the intent was. And that's how you're really
doing good investigations get into the bottom of the there.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know, I say all the time, a lie is
as good as a confession. I love it when you
lie to me. I got you now painted in a corner.
And here's the thing, going back to the text message.
As a parent, you know, you know the way your
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daughter's texting you what's up. If she's all of a
sudden like, oh, you know, daddy, this is gonna be
so fun. Can I have forty two of my friends
over and you get pizza for everybody? She's buttering you up.
You already know, and you're gonna say yes, sugar, because
you're just so fabulous. But if she's like, Josh, answer
the phone, you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Know well, and you know what just popped into my
head just because I was remarkable the Landry family.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh yes, lord aye, I hope.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That gives that perspective on something where, Man, I'm telling you,
my heart went in two different directions, ripped itself in distress.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know you've got love and decency and honesty, and wow,
talk about ripping a parent apart.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's unimaginable on both sides to say I do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But I tell you what, I've got moral failings. I've
made lots of mistakes in my sure, sure you know?
And how are you going to react in that minute
when your blood pressure has gone from normal to are
you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah? You know that case is one that you could
debate at churches and law schools and you're not going
to get any answers. But but I will say the
actions of the victims family versus the perpetrator's family, I
know who was right overall and who was absolutely incorrect.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That high road. I'm telling you, even when it's hard.
I was just talking about this the other day with
someone navigating an ethically challenging family situation where man, if
you want to take a couple of cheap shots, this
is your opportunity to take them. And I'm like, dude, don't, don't.
The high road matters, not just now. The high road
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matters in perpetuity when you're going back and reflecting, because
as emergency as it is now, as the lights are
beeping and flash, the high road is impenetrable. It is
bulletproof because you're not carrying the burden of a lie.
All lies are burdens. They are rocks in your pocket,
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they are led around your neck because you have to
keep that lie. And worse, if you're lying on behalf
of someone else, now your exposures multiplied because not only
are you responsible for keeping up somebody else's lie, you're
exposed because if somebody else betrays you, it's gonna turn
out that you're a liar. So when your line for someone,
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you are actually adding pain, misery, and a burden on
your life. And when you carry that burden it is tiresome.
You will eventually, depending on this lie and the interest
in other people, it will break. Very few lies last
forever unless they are very minor.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And let's talk about lies when they're stupid. So I'm
gonna read this whole text message so that people can
hear it if they hadn't heard it, Mom, I need help,
being shot at for Hispanics, armed white van, one driver,
I'm hit, Okay, mom, just it. So.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
The first place my brain goes is someone was putting
together the first treatment of their legal thriller novel at
about age seventeen fifteen. They're right, what is that conversation?
What is an emergency text sound If I'm going to
write a good emergency text, what what should it sound like?
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But it is so clinical and and it's so bad.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I need help. But he never says where he is
or the help that he needs. He says he's being
shot at, which means he wasn't hit for Hispanics. He
doesn't say male or female white van. Okay, you're just
proven that you are trying.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
To use the free candy inside.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, my favorite, my favorite one driver. Ain't there always
one driver.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
As opposed to the to the tag team. They were
in one of them, the Learners cars where you got
two wheels and there's that chain and two sets two
sets of brakes. It was it was a Learners And then.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
He can't repeat the lae, which we always see. He
can't repeat the lie and say he's been shot. He says,
I'm hit like he's in a war video game. I've
been hit. Okay, Nothing about that text message rings true,
none of it, not a part of it. And here's
the other thing for anybody thinking, oh, I could write
(28:17):
a better text message, the fact that he wrote a
text message he already left.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Up at all. Yeah, like it. Once that SHOT's fired, y'all,
you cannot stuff the toothpaste back in the tube. As
one of my professors, it's true.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You cannot unring a bell. I'm going to open every door,
make it look like it was a big old struggle.
All they gotta do is ride up the sign. You
put a pistol in your face, and you're going to cooperate.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I have been arm robbed by two guys with a big,
shiny gun. I can tell you the gun. I want
to know what happens when you're getting robbed. You look
at the giant hand can and that can kill you.
That is being pressed against you, and it's not. When
(29:11):
I checked this on the grooming schedule of the two
young men that were relieving me of my briefcase and bag,
I didn't have a long conversation with them about their
you know skin tone and no, no, there was a
giant shiny chrome nickel plated nineteen eleven being pointed at me.
I was very focused on it. There was no texting involved,
(29:35):
there was a lot of They drove away and I
ran in and went, holy shit, I just got robbed.
Called the police, right and right people, That's what.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm saying, laser focused, very clear, very direct. I just
got robbed. Call the police.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Your system is set up inside so that if you
are exposed to threats, there is an automatic, chenistic response.
Your body will go into basically the shock stress. Why.
That's how we've stayed alive for so long. People responding
to instinctating situations may survive longer as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And Joshua, listen to me. You're a word person, you
are a word smith. You love a story, You love
a crescendo, you love a dramatic ending. You didn't walk
in there and go everybody gather around.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Let me, let me set the scene for you. It
was evening. You could it smelled a little bit like
right the ocean, but not on the ocean. You know
that smell because you've been to Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right right, as I traverse the stamps of this courthouse and.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What you do around time. But that's when it cracks
me up when you're doing the police reports and you
find the police report who's actually a failed screenwriter, Because
every once in a while you get a detective who
just they were working on some construction story issues. They
were fleshing this out because some of the reports are
just magic. And then some of the reports are saw
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a driver operating a vehicle illegally arrested for DUI report
to follow.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was a dark and storm and night.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It was a dark and stormy night. I was out
there saving the world, one man at a time. As
I was patrolling cop Parkway in my chariot, and as.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They ran off, I said, call me. I'll represent you.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'll represent you. I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You allegedly stole for me.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
All right, that's it. We're gonna have to add another
theater to the another show to the theater run. We're
gonna have to write us a new a police Gilbert
and Sullivan musical drama with overwrought reports.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Still have our list of songs. We need to make
this happen. All right, Well, we need to quit talking
for somebody steals the idea.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Half a nap, not even warmed up, not even warmed up.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, all right, you and Justice kiddie have a
good evening. Let's go start our week.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Baby, you two. Everybody have just a magical week. My
new thing is go love somebody, even if it's yourself.
Take time for someone, show them you love them, even
if it's you, because you deserve lots of love. Cheryl,
you know I love you. Max, You're the best producer
in producery. To steal a line from another friend of mine.
And I hope everybody has an amazing week.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's perfect rap
Welcome to Crime Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I
am joined as always with Joshua Schiffer and y'all. I'm
already laughing. I'm so sorry, but if y'all could have
just heard the discussion off air, you know what is
going on at your house.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm trying to get her under control of Caryl's. I
tell her it's time to record. You are not allowed
to lick the condensation off my tasty arnold palmer. But
Justice Kitty is like, oh you monster. All you do
is provide giant bowls of food and cold fresh water.
I'm gonna need to go lick this cup next to
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a microphone so that everybody listening is going, what's the
licking noise there?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And then headbutt you when you take it away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The head budding is it's affectionate, and I know, but
you also realize that's how they leave their scent on you.
That's that's claiming you. So one of the odd things
that they don't teach you in criminal defense lawyer in
school is if you can rub your face on jurors,
you win. You have never lost a case where I've
been allowed to rub my face on jurors, and I'll
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go to grave with that, not one Oh mercy.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I tell you, she cracks me up. She's a star,
That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's she needs needs.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
She needs a spotlight, she needs a spotlight, and she
gets people that need a spotlight.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I was gonna say this is the radio gold Girl,
Gold Gold.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But you know, there are people that you know, stage
a scene. There are hoaxes out there that you know,
we can dive deep into the reason they need to
do it. But I think for our purposes today to
talk about when they happen. There's a seventeen year old
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kid in Florida that sent his mom a text message.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Can you just imagine?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And you know the text message bothered me right off
the bat. Yeah, And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And we see this not necessarily just with seventeen year olds,
but the want of a not just a lie, but
a whopper, you know, not just a little oh yeah,
I didn't do that. I forgot that. I'm busy next
to No, let's write us out a whopper of a lie.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And I mean the way he even starts is wrong.
I mean, anybody that has dealt with any real just
emergency You're gonna get to the point as quick as
you can, and you were gonna be concise. You were
going to be just as accurate as you've ever been
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in your life. Because it's happening right now. Anybody listen
to us, it's ever called now one one. You've never
been so on point. You're telling them exactly what's going on,
exactly where you are, and exactly what you need.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
The reality checking starts faster the bigger the lae you tell.
And that's what really that reality checking is where it
all starts falling apart. Because you may think, oh, I'm smart,
Oh this is gonna be I'm just gonna wrap this up.
There's no loose ends. You have not thought about what
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happens with a missing person until you've actually seen one
on the inside. There are a thousand questions you don't
have the answer to, and that's what ends up happening
with this case with the seventeen year old. There was
just that mom here locally, the cute dentist, and I
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feel terrible for her husband. But it goes back to
some of the big cases. You know, we're talking about
the Smith case with the kids in the lake. You know,
you really get into some of these whopper lies that
exist on a spectrum from you know, less egregiously harmful
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like I've disappeared I've been, but still serious all the
way up through real serious, horrific crime. I remember that
girl on Alabama last year who disappeared and then you
know it was found just down the street then and
then it was just mystery land what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
That's right, And again even with her story from Alabama,
you're driving down the expressway in the dark, so you've
only got headlights, So what are you talking about? Four
feet and if you're driving seventy miles an hour, you're
telling me you saw a baby and we're able to
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pull over close enough to that baby. Not a chance.
Anybody that's ever seen anything on this side of the
road and tried to pull over, you're way past it
before you can do.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That, especially something the size of a bread box. You're
not talking about, you know, a semi pull ar car.
Put No, you're talking about little teeny package. And it
just it. And I think there's so many different motivations
for why people choose that moment to make that decision,
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and I hope that their brain quickly gets into the
Oh boy, I screwed up. How do I talk my
way out of this mode? But what we're seeing is
people that just doubled down and they say, oh, they
bought the first part, so I, you know, got out
of whatever I needed to go to, got the attention
that I wanted. Someone gave me the stimulus that I
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was lacking. But so many of them don't get that
and doubled down and keep the lie going, which ends
up causing really serious problems with law enforcement and the
legitimacy of callouts because the boy who cried wealth you
get law enforcement and first responders who, if they are
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abused enough by inappropriate calls by you know, some of
the junk that just comes through, they lose some of
that alacrity that is really necessary when you are encountering
a real emergency, because no one's better than our first
responders when they are literally throwing themselves into the line
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of fire in order to rescue people. Are especially our
medical first responder are firefighters. They are not there going
out there trying to get people at no. They want
to make sure people are safe and go back to
the office.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, as a mama of a male I will tell
you this. It goes from when they're little they call
you mama or mommy, whatever they choose, and then somewhere
along the way it becomes mom and it kind of
breaks your heart a little, but you know it's coming.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh yeah, Oh those whys, those whys are something you know.
You lose the why Everything changes Dan to Danny, Oh men, Tom, Tommy,
Oh boy, you're talking earth shattering changes. When when that
why drops off? Mommy?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yep, And I'll tell you my son now is twenty four.
If there is an emergency, he will say mama. Like
he he almost reverts back a little bit. When I
saw the text message and it started with mom, I
threw a flag right there. First of all, you're in
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the middle of being kidnapped and you send a text message,
not a call to now one.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
One, dearest mother. Things at the front have turned against using.
The bombs are dropping all around us, and it's made
it difficult to enjoy the fine tea and the exactly
exactly the very distracting to have these death and murder around.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Us, right, So that becomes the first thing that just
leaps out at me. So he wants you to believe
these four Hispanics. And again he doesn't say male or
female people just fault. He meant men, but he never
said it. So in the world of you know, statement analysis,
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if you don't say it, we don't say it for you.
So you don't even identify who these people are.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Huh, flag man as well, just say and the bogeyman,
because that's the chup of Cabra. You know, sasquatch knocked
on the sho and grab me.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's right. So like Susan Smith blamed a black man,
he's blaming for Hispanics. Now when you look at the truck,
all four doors are open. Now does it take four
grown men to get a seventeen year old out of
the car if you've got a gun?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It strains credulity to sound like a judge that that
is what happened. And that's again flag on the play
and it's a big red one.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It is a big red one. And it looks so
staged because it's right in this little intersection in the
middle of nowhere, no lights, no cameras, no houses, not
a lot of people coming by, and there is a gunshot,
bullet hole in the truck. So when CSI gets there,
like oh man, this is kind of serious.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I believe the bullet hole missed all the important parts
of the truck as well. It did.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And it's like that person, Yes, but it's like the
person that fakes cried. There are no tears.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh yeah, there was no blood, Josh.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you've got a text message that we believe is
bogus because you know, again you're in the middle of
being kidnapped and you're texting somehow four grown men are
wrastling you out of that car, but you're able to
text hold.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
On, I'm almost done with this. Siri has a misspelling
I've got hold on, I don't. My mom is a stickler,
for he's a stickler.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And then his phone, of course, is damaged and thrown
right there, as if he had been in some big fight.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
For his life. Better than the sim card getting driven
out to a military base and thrown away, but the
same same impact.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yes, the phone is correct, correct, It's just something that
makes you go, now, that didn't happen like that. And
then of course detectives are gonna do what they do.
They're gonna work backwards. And then we see here he
is at Walmart behind a ten and a bicycle.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Which is admittedly, if you're gonna run away a ten
of bicycle comics, pretty good sense, but it's obviously yet
another ridiculous red flag. And I think the frustration is
we see this pattern and it just exists in the
population at a very small but very real percentage x
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number out of so many people are at some point
find it appropriate to make a very dramatic lie call
that is going to mobilize tens of thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands, and sometimes millions of dollars of our resources.
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And it's a frustration when the justice part comes, because
how do you treat someone that's seven team and did
something this catastrophically dumb and poorly thought out? And what
do you do? Is this case going to be one
where we're going to educate the next crop of seventeen
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year olds, because there are several million future seventeen year
olds out there, and unless we're just going to start handling,
what do we do about that? Because they don't know
these stories, they don't have that context that we do
about how these big lies eventually become a big national joke,
because it still causes very real harm and very real
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fear and for parts of the community that are just afraid,
and there's just part of our world that's just afraid,
and fear is what drives them, It's what drives their decisions.
This feeds them, amps them up, jumps them, and that
leads us to this Cobb County one. How do we
and what do we do to deal with these kinds
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of societal and cultural issues, because you.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Know, the last thing you want to do is not
move on it, to just say, well, this is probably
another hoax, This is probably another you know, red hair
in this is somebody trying to get attention, because as
soon as you do that, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
What's going to happen, guarantee, because hold on, Cheryl, there
are bad people out there doing bad things, very randomly
and unexpectedly. Look at that horrific case that was tried
last week. I'm blank, aren't bliss the mentally ill woman
and the baby and oh god, as sad as you get,
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as traumatic, as preventable had we done the right thing
and kept a dangerous mentally ill person covered up in
our system by giving them the appropriate resources and taking
care of preventing that danger. Because when we do have
those horrific incidents. No one is better than our first responders.
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No one's more needed than our first responders.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Look at the case we have right now out of Philadelphia, KATEA. Scott.
She goes to work, she checks into work, People see
her at work and then gone, Well, a lot of
people right out of the gate may say, well, she
just ran off, she didn't want to work. You know,
it didn't work out to be a beauty queen, she
took a powder whatever. No, you've got to take all
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of these cases seriously. You got to put everything you
got on them, because again, what happened to her, it
was quick. This was a tight time frame. This was
a tight area from her place of business to where
they found her personal belongings to where they found his
car ditched. It's a little triangle you're talking about miles
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not along this.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Real discreete easy to section off and make sure that
you're doing a good investigation. Right.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So sometimes the hoaxes, like the young seventeen year old,
he gave us a lot of flags really quick. Nothing
about that look legit, none of it. But other cases
you go, well, maybe maybe there's something to it, like
in cob County with the dentist, a ton of people
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online because listen, y'all, y'all know this. Nine one one
operators are involved, they get street officers involved, they get
detectives involved, they get other agencies involved. It ain't just
cob County that was looking for her, Fulton County, Guenec County.
I'm telling you, everybody's looking for her. They get the
poster up, be on the lookout. Well. Now social media
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is involved. Honey, co workers, neighbors, her son's friends, her
husband's co workers, her clients, everybody sharing it. You're talking
about ten thousand people pretty quick. That turns into a million.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And that scaling happens instantaneously. I know that, and merely
I'm a little bit overexposed to some of this stuff
because of my life. But the scaling, increasing sharing of knowledge,
and these emergencies, because we all realize how important the fast,
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accurate response is. It gets out there in a heartbeat,
and what's happened in this case. I feel terrible for
her husband. I feel terrible for the other people involved,
the dental practice that she works at, all these other
ripples in the pond from what is apparently a lady
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that fifty years old just didn't go to work and
just disappeared.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Everybody said the same thing. It's not like her. She
would not fail to come to work. And her cell
phone is left at her house. She and her purse
or her wallet nowhere to be found. Then her car.
They always love to say abandon.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And husband was out of town visiting their kid in college.
This isn't one of these families that you know there's
a bunch of young no, no, no, this was solid
Americana suburban life. Like this is not wild and crazy.
We're talking married, kid, some pets, lots of vacation photos,
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great people, and so you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Know, people can't help themselves. They're like, oh, the husband
just happened to be out of town. Well she has
to know if she had something to do with a hoax.
I don't know, if it's a medical mental I don't
know what happened to her. We don't know yet. We
just know she has thankfully been found alive. But I'm
saying the people on social media, you know, the husband's
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always looked at right, and you know it came out
that co workers reported her missing. Why didn't he report
her missing? Why is he conveniently out of town? Was
it for an alibi? Was this a murder for her?
Like people are just wildfire. They're questioning their marriage, they're
questioning whether or not he had something to do with
her disappearance. That's not fair to him.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's not fair to him at all. And again it
illustrates how we should all just slow down for just
a second there, y'all. Like, I know how important the
immediate response is. We need to let our resources search
for people. We need to take these reports extraordinarily seriously,
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while also remembering the cynicism that we've all seen and
we've all experienced where these so often are found out
to be something that I believe is mentally related. And
I'm not going to go as far as say that's
a mental illness. You can have a stressful incident at
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a low point or at a specific juncture wherein you
would make a decision that otherwise you would never make.
And as we see in criminal justice time and time again,
the first bad decision, it's just the handshake. It's just
meeting the rest of the ridiculous decisions that people start
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making once they feel the ball is rolling. It ain't
gathering no more moss, it's rolling downhill fast and they
start telling another.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Lie and Joshua. Sometimes they get people to back them up.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And in the case of the seventeen year old boy,
his mama kind of backed him up.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, and that's how we get into you know, when
you're watching a case and you're like, hold on, that
don't make no sense. It wouldn't have happened what we
are so often missing and you I haven't seen unless
you've really maybe been inside investigation. That contradictory, problematic bit
of information. Everybody knows it. But how are you going
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to expand that case in a way driving your purpose
and mission as an investigator as opposed to causing more
additional problems for an eventual case or prosecution or successful resolution.
As soon as son lies and mom starts to cover up, okay,
so now we got another thread and pathway of lies.
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And then what happens when someone goes, oh, yes, Susan,
she did tell me, Well, there's another settle lies in
this spider web, and exponentially, in a absolutely parabolic manner,
lies replicate, they breathe, and they weigh on you. Thankfully,
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law enforcement knows this, and as long as they can
catch lie most of the time, they're real good at
tracking it back to the source. And that's really how
good investigations can take place, because the less culpable liar
is easier to shift off their position and oh, yep,
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you got me, I did lie. Steve really wasn't there
on Tuesday. Okay. Well, now that we've established Steve isn't
there on Tuesday, anything else you're lying about? No, no, no, nothing,
nose okay, because I'm choosing not to charge you for obstruction.
And that's what explains so often when we've got a
big question out there in a big case, the answer
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is there and it's known by law enforcement, and it
probably involved a witness or other collaborator being busted on
a lie. Because it also explains how otherwise wonderful people
get wrapped up in horrible stuff. I don't care how
good and moral and wonderful you are. You're loved one,
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your most important person in the world, comes to you
in a panic. Something has gone code read Defcon nine
its emergency time. Fires are raging. You will do or
say lots of things, including dishonest, bad plant ooh, in
order to help save that person you love. That's where
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the mistake happens more often than not. And when law
enforcement can identify that mistake, that betrayal of your otherwise
duties to the world in the effort to protect someone
that you care about, that's where the crack forms. And
if you can get in there, pride open, you will
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get to the end of that lie and you will
find out how, what, where, why that lie got told,
and what the intent was. And that's how you're really
doing good investigations get into the bottom of the there.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know, I say all the time, a lie is
as good as a confession. I love it when you
lie to me. I got you now painted in a corner.
And here's the thing, going back to the text message.
As a parent, you know, you know the way your
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daughter's texting you what's up. If she's all of a
sudden like, oh, you know, daddy, this is gonna be
so fun. Can I have forty two of my friends
over and you get pizza for everybody? She's buttering you up.
You already know, and you're gonna say yes, sugar, because
you're just so fabulous. But if she's like, Josh, answer
the phone, you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Know well, and you know what just popped into my
head just because I was remarkable the Landry family.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh yes, lord aye, I hope.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That gives that perspective on something where, Man, I'm telling you,
my heart went in two different directions, ripped itself in distress.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You do.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know you've got love and decency and honesty, and wow,
talk about ripping a parent apart.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's unimaginable on both sides to say I do the
right thing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But I tell you what, I've got moral failings. I've
made lots of mistakes in my sure, sure you know?
And how are you going to react in that minute
when your blood pressure has gone from normal to are
you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah? You know that case is one that you could
debate at churches and law schools and you're not going
to get any answers. But but I will say the
actions of the victims family versus the perpetrator's family, I
know who was right overall and who was absolutely incorrect.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That high road. I'm telling you, even when it's hard.
I was just talking about this the other day with
someone navigating an ethically challenging family situation where man, if
you want to take a couple of cheap shots, this
is your opportunity to take them. And I'm like, dude, don't, don't.
The high road matters, not just now. The high road
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matters in perpetuity when you're going back and reflecting, because
as emergency as it is now, as the lights are
beeping and flash, the high road is impenetrable. It is
bulletproof because you're not carrying the burden of a lie.
All lies are burdens. They are rocks in your pocket,
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they are led around your neck because you have to
keep that lie. And worse, if you're lying on behalf
of someone else, now your exposures multiplied because not only
are you responsible for keeping up somebody else's lie, you're
exposed because if somebody else betrays you, it's gonna turn
out that you're a liar. So when your line for someone,
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you are actually adding pain, misery, and a burden on
your life. And when you carry that burden it is tiresome.
You will eventually, depending on this lie and the interest
in other people, it will break. Very few lies last
forever unless they are very minor.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And let's talk about lies when they're stupid. So I'm
gonna read this whole text message so that people can
hear it if they hadn't heard it, Mom, I need help,
being shot at for Hispanics, armed white van, one driver,
I'm hit, Okay, mom, just it. So.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
The first place my brain goes is someone was putting
together the first treatment of their legal thriller novel at
about age seventeen fifteen. They're right, what is that conversation?
What is an emergency text sound If I'm going to
write a good emergency text, what what should it sound like?
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But it is so clinical and and it's so bad.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I need help. But he never says where he is
or the help that he needs. He says he's being
shot at, which means he wasn't hit for Hispanics. He
doesn't say male or female white van. Okay, you're just
proven that you are trying.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
To use the free candy inside.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, my favorite, my favorite one driver. Ain't there always
one driver.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
As opposed to the to the tag team. They were
in one of them, the Learners cars where you got
two wheels and there's that chain and two sets two
sets of brakes. It was it was a Learners And then.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
He can't repeat the lae, which we always see. He
can't repeat the lie and say he's been shot. He says,
I'm hit like he's in a war video game. I've
been hit. Okay, Nothing about that text message rings true,
none of it, not a part of it. And here's
the other thing for anybody thinking, oh, I could write
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a better text message, the fact that he wrote a
text message he already left.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Up at all. Yeah, like it. Once that SHOT's fired, y'all,
you cannot stuff the toothpaste back in the tube. As
one of my professors, it's true.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You cannot unring a bell. I'm going to open every door,
make it look like it was a big old struggle.
All they gotta do is ride up the sign. You
put a pistol in your face, and you're going to cooperate.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I have been arm robbed by two guys with a big,
shiny gun. I can tell you the gun. I want
to know what happens when you're getting robbed. You look
at the giant hand can and that can kill you.
That is being pressed against you, and it's not. When
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I checked this on the grooming schedule of the two
young men that were relieving me of my briefcase and bag,
I didn't have a long conversation with them about their
you know skin tone and no, no, there was a
giant shiny chrome nickel plated nineteen eleven being pointed at me.
I was very focused on it. There was no texting involved,
(29:35):
there was a lot of They drove away and I
ran in and went, holy shit, I just got robbed.
Called the police, right and right people, That's what.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm saying, laser focused, very clear, very direct. I just
got robbed. Call the police.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Your system is set up inside so that if you
are exposed to threats, there is an automatic, chenistic response.
Your body will go into basically the shock stress. Why.
That's how we've stayed alive for so long. People responding
to instinctating situations may survive longer as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And Joshua, listen to me. You're a word person, you
are a word smith. You love a story, You love
a crescendo, you love a dramatic ending. You didn't walk
in there and go everybody gather around.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Let me, let me set the scene for you. It
was evening. You could it smelled a little bit like
right the ocean, but not on the ocean. You know
that smell because you've been to Florida.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right right, as I traverse the stamps of this courthouse and.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What you do around time. But that's when it cracks
me up when you're doing the police reports and you
find the police report who's actually a failed screenwriter, Because
every once in a while you get a detective who
just they were working on some construction story issues. They
were fleshing this out because some of the reports are
just magic. And then some of the reports are saw
(31:13):
a driver operating a vehicle illegally arrested for DUI report
to follow.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was a dark and storm and night.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It was a dark and stormy night. I was out
there saving the world, one man at a time. As
I was patrolling cop Parkway in my chariot, and as.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
They ran off, I said, call me. I'll represent you.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'll represent you. I'm here for you.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
You allegedly stole for me.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
All right, that's it. We're gonna have to add another
theater to the another show to the theater run. We're
gonna have to write us a new a police Gilbert
and Sullivan musical drama with overwrought reports.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Still have our list of songs. We need to make
this happen. All right, Well, we need to quit talking
for somebody steals the idea.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Half a nap, not even warmed up, not even warmed up.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, all right, you and Justice kiddie have a
good evening. Let's go start our week.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Baby, you two. Everybody have just a magical week. My
new thing is go love somebody, even if it's yourself.
Take time for someone, show them you love them, even
if it's you, because you deserve lots of love. Cheryl,
you know I love you. Max, You're the best producer
in producery. To steal a line from another friend of mine.
And I hope everybody has an amazing week.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's perfect rap
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