July 23, 2025 • 27 mins
Scott Payne is a retired FBI agent and career undercover operative. Known for infiltrating some of the most dangerous domestic terror groups in the U.S., he now writes, trains, and advocates for smarter law enforcement strategies—and a second chance for those who truly want out. He’s a believer in justice, redemption, and calling hate by its name.
Follow Scott on Instagram:@scottpaynebigcountry and check out his brand-new book: Code Name: Pale Horse — a raw, real look inside the FBI’s most dangerous undercover ops.
Episode Description:
In Part 2 of CSI Sheryl McCollum’s conversation with retired FBI agent Scott Payne, we dive into one of his most dangerous assignments: two years undercover with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club in Massachusetts. From fake drug deals and cartel cover stories to a basement wire check that nearly cost him everything, Scott explains what it really takes to survive deep undercover.
If you thought infiltrating The Base deep in the woods of the Pacific Northwest was intense, wait until you hear what happened when members of the Outlaws Motorcycle Club ordered him to strip at gunpoint.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) From Georgia to Massachusetts, Scott recounts his time undercover with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club
- (4:00) Meet “Tex,” the car thief: stolen vehicles, staged deals, and the slow build of credibility
- (5:00) A fake cartel pipeline opens the door to something much bigger — and far more dangerous
- (8:00) “I lived to fight another day.” Two armed bikers, a basement, and a wire check that could’ve blown it all
- (14:00) His team was listening — and almost took out a wall to pull him out
- (16:00) Nearly 2,000 miles away, Scott’s wife pulls off the road with a sense of dread she can’t explain
- (17:45) Sheryl shares her own “undercover” mission — cracking down on counterfeit T-shirts at a Grateful Dead concert
- (18:45) Clothesline won’t say sorry—but he hated being the one to do it
- (24:00) Sheryl plugs the book and gives props to Scott — not just for the work, but for always lifting up his team
- (26:00) The last word belongs to Donnie Brasco: “The FBI gave you a cheap medal and 500 bucks. Was it worth it?” “Yes.”
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
From the woods of Rome, Georgia. You also find yourself
in Massachusetts with an outlaw biker gag tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That was a case around It was like two thousand
and five ish to maybe right up to two thousand
and eight. I was undercovered for two years on that case.
The Boston Division of the FBI. They had some Task
Force officers on the squad or at least they were
working with, and DA had an agent involved, and we,
(00:41):
I mean, they got to the point to where they
were like, we want to introduce an undercover. I interviewed
for the possible gig and they picked me. So I
went under for two years with the outlaws of the
Taunton Chapter and the Brockton I mean, I met so many,
but I was mainly with the Taunton, Massachusetts Chapter.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And one night a basement is involved.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yes, what in the world's kind?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, another night I wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Over And you know, I don't know if you know
the show Naked and Afraid. Yes, my husband I love
that show.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So and what we'll do is we'll make.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Like the fanciest dinner ever with you know, champagne and everything,
and then we'll watch these people be miserable for an hour,
you know, in Africa or wherever. They are just barefoot,
walking on stuff, naked, having to have ants and everything
all of you. But to me, and I'm not trying
to be funny when I say this, but probably eighty
(01:41):
percent would be much better if they weren't naked. There's
something about that where you are just completely stripped and
completely vulnerable and just thought a normal situation for you
and this story for me. I think probably I didn't
(02:02):
feel sorry for you. But I tell you what I did.
I thought about your wife because I thought about her
a lot. Because I'm just gonna straight up to you,
I am not the type of person when I think
of like historical wives that are just fabulous, like Kreta
Scott King, Honey, I couldn't be her, you know the second, third, fifth,
(02:25):
nineteenth time that Martin came home beat up. Uh uh,
We're gonna let somebody else do this this.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
This next walk you know in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Like I just I'm not that type of person that
when people that I love and care about are in
such a dangerous situation. And I mean I admire Kreta
Scott King. Don't misunderstand me. I'm just not made that
way that I know. He's in danger. They have fire
bombed our house, they're coming for him, and yet he's
going to leave our house again to go make the
(02:58):
country better. And that's what I see in you. But honey,
I think about her. Yeah, she's so tell us what
happened in the basement.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
She's got quite the fan club going, even though he
is really out.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There, you know, Yeah, she needs to.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm in it when I go and speak like I'm
next Sunday, Yeah, a week from to day, I'm driving,
I'm going to somewhere in Georgia to teach at the
Georgia Gang Investigators Association.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh, outstanding chores.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Sometimes she'll come with me and then I'll get that.
They'll be like, hey, tell me how your wife blah
blah blah, And I'll go, well, she's right there. Why
don't you ask for yourself? But but yeah, so, uh,
after a year and a half being undercovered with the outlaws,
and we've done all kinds of things, we gathered a
lot of evidence against them or several members. Anyway it started.
(03:49):
I mean, there's a whole deal of how what's a
country boy like me doing? In Massachusetts. You know, you
got to have a legend. You gotta have a legit
backing and understand why you're there, and it needs to
look real and be real. So the long and short
of it is, they eventually found out I was a
criminal shocker, I know, but I portrayed a They believed
(04:13):
I was a high ranking or leader leading official member
of an international theft drink. So they were reporting vehicles stolen.
In the beginning, they would sell them to me at
a stolen price. They would collect the insurance money, and
they believed I was taking vehicles to Mexico. And then
it got to where they were stealing vehicles, and then
it got to where they were carjacking people. And like
my nickname on that case was Text, and they'd be like, Text,
(04:36):
we got to get rid of this vehicle. It is hot,
it's smoking hot. We just took it to gunpoint from
this gap. I'm like, I got it, man. So and
I bought some dope from them, but not a lot
because it didn't make any sense. I'm on the border
of Mexico at the time. Why am I coming to
Massachusetts to buy dope. I'm on the border of Mexico.
You know. So we got to up the end he
(04:57):
after doing numerous deals at a year and a half,
and we decide me the case team in the United
States Attorney's Office. They had been asking to get involved
with the drug trade since the beginning, and the case
team was running a wire tap. We had all that stuff.
But we up the ANNIE and they wanted to meet
(05:20):
my cartel contacts. And we set it up to where
we were going to do a drug shipment being delivered
and they were going to help cover it to make
sure it didn't get ripped. And that was going to
afford the president of the Tawn Outlaws to be able
and other people to meet my guy Manny from the cartel,
(05:40):
and we set all that up. It took a long
time to do. This is a very fast version of it.
I go into great depth in detail in the book
on it. But the long and short is is the
night before the op was supposed to happen, Joe Doggs,
the president says, Hey, why don't you come over to
the clubhouse. Well, I've been in that clubhouse umpteen times
(06:01):
a bunch of times, and I was like, all right,
so I'll shoot over there. It was a little weird
in the beginning, and I didn't pick up on it
because it was like they weren't ready, And I'm like, well,
why did you even tell me to come over here
if you're not ready? And I go grab something to eat,
have a couple of drinks, come back, and then I
go into the clubhouse and what I don't know is
(06:24):
that word about what they were going to be doing
had gone all the way to the top. I'm talking
national president of the Outlaws, and that came It came
back down to hey, have you really checked this dude?
And they're like, you know, the people that have been
working with me are my so called friends, you know?
Were like, yeah, man, we've done like eight stolen jobs
(06:46):
with this guy. We did this, there was something else
and none of us are in cuffs, We're we're not
wearing bracelets, you know. But they said, no, we really
want him check. So my job as an undercover, especially
that deep in that long as I'm getting I'm gathering evidence,
I'm getting recordings because it's a very intrusive technique. It is.
(07:08):
It's a phenomenal technique to use to gather evidence against
people committing crimes because the evidence is so overwhelming. All
they can really do is a defense to say was entrapment,
which is going to be easy for me to shoot
down because it's absolutely not entrapment. Everything's predicated, or they
can try to make me look like a piece of
trash on the stand. So they wanted me to get
(07:31):
recordings in the clubhouse if it was happening of the
outlaws talking about this protection detail or this this drug shipment,
and I'm like, yeah, cool. So what I couldn't see
is when I went in there and I'm kind of
cracking my jokes, I would turn my head, but my
video recording device was aimed a different way. What I
didn't see is that when I would crack a joke
(07:52):
and they would laugh, when I would turn my head,
they would just stop laughing. They would just go complete
like stoneface. Now, now the record, the recording device picked
it up, But that didn't do me any good because
I wouldn't seeing it live, you know. So Clothesline is
at that point a year and a half in it
was probably my second closest relationship that I built and
(08:17):
ingratiated myself with. And he comes to me, he says, hey,
text you got a minute and I said, yeah. Well,
he goes into a door I've never been in, and
it's the only door I've never been in that clubhouse.
And it's a tight stairwell leading down to basically across space.
It's not even a basement. It's I couldn't stand up straight,
(08:38):
but it's it's kind of tight. But as I'm walking
in that door behind him, another outlaw comes in right
behind me, and I'm like, this is not good. This
is not good. And I'm watching and adrenaline dump starts happening,
and he pulls me down there and he says, look,
they showed me their pistols. They let me know I'm
not free to leave. And he said there's a lot
(08:59):
of shit going on and it's my job to take
care of my brothers because he was the enforcer. And
he said, so, I need you to write down your
full name, date of birth, address, social all that stuff,
and then I need you to take all your clothes
off because I'm gonna check you for a while. The
problem was, is I was wired to the hill? Had
I not been wired? Yeah, it's just embarrassing taking all
(09:20):
your clothes off in front of two dudes in a
small basement or whatever. So because of the adrenaline dump,
I forgot my middle name. I'm trying to write it down,
and I'm like, I know it. I mean, I've been
it for well over two years, but because of the
stress and the old crap moment, I forgot my middle name.
But what seems like forever. It's probably only thirty seconds,
(09:45):
but I remembered it. I write it down, I take
off all my clothes and he checks me. But the
whole time I'm trying to talk and gather information, I'm like,
should I ask what's going on? Of course, my voice
doesn't sound like it does right now because it was
an old crap moment. My throat's tight, my pitch is
way higher, my enunciation was terrible because I'm freaking out.
(10:09):
But I'm trying to look like I'm not freaking out,
but I'm clearly freaking out. And I said, should I
ask what's going on? He's like, look, man, a lot
of stuff blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I said, look, man,
nobody has to do anything. You guys. I'm like, you guys,
uh told me you asked for this. I'm like, you
(10:31):
asked for it? If nobody wants to do anything. They
don't have to do anything. But I'm also trying to
gather information while I'm taking my clothes off, because I'm like, man,
I you know, I already saw rope. I didn't see
plastic on the floor. But then he tells me, he
goes trust me, man, if somebody accused me of being
a FED, I'd probably smash him in the f and mouth.
And I'm like, well, I'm not happy. I take up
(10:55):
all my clothes pretty much from the ankles up. I
was naked. I took my off. I dropped my pants
and underwear around my ankles, shirts and all the other
stuffs off and he checks me, and I think we're done.
And now I'm coming out of that adrenaline dump a
little bit and I pull my pants back up, and
then he grabs a piece of clothing and that piece
(11:19):
of clothing he grabbed had a recording device in it,
and he starts going through it with crunchy hands, like
needing it. And I'm like, and I don't even know
I do it, but you can hear it on the recording,
like as I'm watching him, you hear my inaudible side
like I'm like, uh, you know, because I'm watching it
going here we go because he's getting close, and I'm like,
(11:41):
we're talking again, like two thousand and six ish seven ish,
So technology then and nothing like it is now. Well,
let's just say the device that I had, if you're
squeezing hard, you're gonna feel something, you know. It wasn't
like it was super tiny. And he gets close, even
looks right at one of my video devices and misses it.
(12:07):
So I lived to fight another day. Now you mentioned
my wife. So here's the craziest thing about that whole thing.
As if that wasn't bad enough. As soon as that's over,
I start talking business, but I'm still freaking out, and
then I'm just mad the rest of the night. I mean,
I probably slept maybe thirty minutes, maybe an hour most
that night, but I don't even think I made it
(12:28):
an hour because it's just the stress and the adrenaline
dump and everything. And then we pulled it off the
next day we did the deal. But people always ask me,
they're like, hey, man, what would you have said if
he would have found something? Well, when he picked up
my jacket and my shirts and stuff like that, he says, look,
he says, I'm not gonna find anything in here, like
any cold pictures, Like I find anything I don't want
(12:50):
to like an they could pictures of my old lady,
and I kind of laughed. So if he would have said,
what is this, my first response probably would have been
a joke, because that's just me, and it's also it's
also a defense mechanism, you know, crack a joke when
you're freaking out, and I was like, I probably would
have said, I don't know, some deck of pictures of
the old lady. But the only thing I had other
than that was just like, look, I would have said,
(13:12):
the gig is up, I'm an undercover FBI agent, and
I can walk out of here and we can see
each other in court or all hell is going to
break loose. But that would have been a bluff on
my part because as far as I knew, every time
I'd been in that clubhouse, my team couldn't hear me.
Whether it was the walls, the equipment, whatever it was,
they couldn't hear me. So I was pretty much on
(13:32):
my own now.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And especially if you're in a room you didn't even
know existed.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Right, Yeah, half underground? Yeah, who knows. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
even today's cell phones probably wouldn't work that good there,
you know. So I what I find out that night
when I hand over my equipment to the to the
cover team case team, is that the first two guys
(13:57):
working that night were the task force officers Argent Higginbottom
with Massachusetts State Troopers Detective Comings from Brockton PD. Whatever
that initial exchange was between me and Joe Doggs at
the door, they felt like something wasn't right. So they
had gotten close enough to where they could hear everything.
And what I didn't know is they listened to every
(14:19):
second of it, and they had radioed back to Boston
because it was really the beginning of our shift, even
though it was like seven o'clock at night or eight
o'clock at night. They were like, hey man, they got
Scott in the basement and he's wired and they're looking.
They're going they're checking him for a while. So, as
far as I knew, the way they told it to
me was everybody was coming down that was still working
(14:39):
that night, blue lights and sirens trying to get to me.
Higgey and Sergeant Higginbottom and Cummings, Joe. They they had
suited up through their vest on everything, and they were
ready because they had been in that clubhouse before. They
knew how heavily forty five the door was. It had
a metal bar across it, more than one dead bolt
(15:01):
kind of thing. And their plan was if I if
they heard me freaking out or something bad going, or
me saying help, help, Help, they were going to drive
the van into the cinder block wall beside the door
because they knew it would be easier to breach than
the actual door. So yeah, so that was the plan.
(15:21):
I mean, it's a plan. I don't know what would
have happened. I was underground, so who knows if they
were to drive over the top of me or not.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
But they were coming.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They were coming. So now it gets even more a
little emotional, if you if you want to use that word.
During that time, my wife I had bought her what's
commonly called a burner phone. Now he's buy a phone.
He put whatever minute you want on it. It comes
back to one, two, three, four of your street. My
name has kissed my ass. I mean it's just you know,
(15:48):
used to make up. Yeah, And originally it was being
used by people doing the various things and That's how
I learned about them myself. But I bought her once
so I could call it from my undercover on And
no matter what time I would finish up at night,
two in the morning, seven in the morning, didn't matter,
I'd call her to let her know I was done.
I was heading back to the hotel. After I got
(16:09):
some sleep, i'd wake up and call her. So that
night when I called her, the first thing she said
was is are you okay? And I said, I said yeah,
Why and she said, she said, I don't know, but
she goes, I was driving with our daughters because we
were in McAllen, Texas at that time. So McAllen is
the bottom of Texas and I'm up in Boston, Massachusetts
(16:31):
or right below it. And she said, at such and
such time, I was driving our daughters. Whether I don't know,
they're going to get eat something to eat, or running
the errands. But she said she was driving in the
car with a McCallan. She got this overwhelming feeling of
fear and pulled over on the side of the road
and started praying for me. And I mashed it up.
And it's when I was in the basement getting stripped
(16:51):
at gunpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Wow. Well, Scott, I'll tell you there ain't no denying that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, No, that's some pretty some pretty other worldly crazy
stuff right there.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sure. Absolutely. And then just that connectivity between the two
of you.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, apparently my old crap signing's pretty good because they
reached from Massachusetts all the way the bottom of Texas.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, let me just tell you that that's a pretty
good story. In the basement.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I worked under cover myself at the Fulton County Sheriff's Department,
and you shared a story, so I'll share mine. It
was the spring of ninety five in Atlanta and the
Grateful Dead were coming to town, oh boy, And so
they got a task force together and our job was
to go out and identify and then confiscate counterfeit T shirts.
(17:46):
So basically the same Thanks Scott, Yeah, you got a
cover team, had.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
The whole backstory everything. You know. It's kind of funny
because when the.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Counterfeit T shirt you going to say you were working
all the acid going through the crowd.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
No, sir, we were going to clean this town up,
putting up with no counterfeit T shirts. But you know,
when I hear your story, I laugh, and it's like
I tell my kids, I've never worked under cover.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
You got to listen to Scott pain Well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But you know what, there's still a propensity for violence.
Even what you were doing. You know, somebody could on you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It could have.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Let me tell you, everybody I dealt with was Heizekite.
I'll tell you that they was spinning and didn't know
where they were at, So confiscating shirts was pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
With all due respect to Grateful Dead's music and members,
I pretty much would have to be stone to like it.
It's just not my bag it is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It is an interesting environment, I will tell you, because
they had kind of practice, but it was something unique.
I want to go back to clothesline for a minute
because it's been my experience. I try to pay attention
to any type of moniker or nickname because sometimes it's how.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You look like.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We dealt with a guy named shovel Head because that's
what he looked like. He had a big o'head. Milwaukee Jack.
I know you dealt with that's geography. And then you've
got some of like machine Gun Kelly. That's a straight
up signature. He's letting you know how he's gonna come
at you. So when I hear you talk about Clothesline
and the bond y'all had, and he was somebody you
(19:26):
were super close to. And I want people to know
that when you're dealing with somebody man to man, human
to human, parent to parent, whatever it might be, you're
gonna bond with him.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And I kind of I want to hear more about
Clothesline because that's somebody you trusted and he freaking took
you in the basement.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean he's still I mean, he's a criminal.
But I you know, I don't really do the whole
dehumanizing thing like I didn't do it in the book,
because a lot of times I look and I could go, hell,
that could have been me easily, you know, I'm like absolutely,
I mean I could have been literally at that proverbial
fork in the road, I went right and I could
(20:09):
easily gone left. And you know what, then that's probably
what gave me this. It definitely helped with my skill
set and to be good at what I did, because
I wasn't far from it, you know. But in other words,
I'm not pretending to be an Italian, you know what
I mean, I'm still me. But yeah, now that I mean, look,
so if you want to know how tight we were.
(20:34):
So he did that and he didn't show up the
next day for the gig, and it pissed me off.
I took it personal, which I shouldn't have because I'm
Scott Payne. I'm not Scott Callaway for real, you know.
But I'm like, you know what, that's bullshit. You're going
to take me. You supposed to be my boy. You
take me down in the basement, stripped me at gunpoint,
and you don't even show up for the gig the
next day. And so it was an open beef between
(20:54):
me and him. And the next time I came back
to townbody like Big Scott, which was the closest relationship
I ever had any and any undercover Scott Town Big Scott.
He was like, Hey, these are two grown men. They're
not going to settle it over the Phoney're gonna settle
it face to face. So whenever Text gets back up here,
it'll happen. So I got back up there and and
(21:16):
Clothesline came into the canteen at every bar I was
at and he was like, hey, Text, you got a minute,
And I'm like, hell no, you know, like the last
time you asked me that I ended up making in
a basement with guns pointed at men. I don't have it.
I ain't got one second for you. How about that?
But he's like, nah, man, it ain't like that. We
went back in the kitchen and we were talking and
(21:37):
I'm ready. I'm like, I'm I'm in the I'm in
the role. I'm like, I'm like, I'm upset, you know,
kind of like, all right, well, we're probably if we're
going to get the blows, we're going to get blows.
I don't know. I mean, this is this kind of crowd,
you know. And uh, he started telling me. He said, man,
he said, the reason I didn't show up is he
said that order came down from the top. It was
my job to do it, he said, but I didn't
(21:58):
want to do it. And he said, I felt so
bad for doing that to you that that night I
got completely fricking wasted and I passed out and slept
through the whole thing. And I'm going, Okay, well that's
a pretty legit reason for not showing up. But then
he starts telling me. He's like, you know, I'm an outlaw,
(22:22):
and I know I'm either going to die young or
die in prison. He said, that's my life. He said,
but and these are my brothers, and I grew up
with a lot of them, he said, But the truth
of the matter is is I don't really have a
lot of real friends. And he goes, I mean like
friends that I know would take a bullet from me,
and that I take a bullet for them. And in
my mind, I'm going, oh, man, don't you say it.
Don't you freaking say because I thought it was. I
(22:43):
was ready to like argue and be pissed or whatever.
And then he said, you're one of those guys, and
he and that's and then I was like, oh man,
I'm such a I'm such a piece of trash, you know.
So yeah, so there's that. There's that bond for sure. Now,
I will say, on the scale of a lot of
things that I've done, Like, am I bonding with a
(23:04):
pedophile he's hired me to kill the kid he molested
supposedly molested. No, I'm not bonding with that guy at all.
Can I really bond with a bunch of angry ass
white supremacists who say they're just going to rape women
when the bugaloo hits because they still don't know how
to get a partner. Yeah no, but maybe I can
(23:27):
find some things on a comedic level or something just
to help me ingratiate and connect with people. But I mean,
it's just no. I mean for me, I think it
goes all throughout the law enforcement career, because at the
end of the day, it's about human intelligence. I need
to be able as a case agent, as a uniform
patrol officer, as a narcotics investigator. I need to be
(23:48):
able to sit down with somebody, have a conversation, hopefully
connected with them, and get information. And you can use
that in any job, bro anywhere, and I believe it
will help you succeed.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Y'all need to go get this book immediately. You think
you've heard a ton, you ain't ready for the rest
of this book. And I'll just give them two things.
So y'all go find out about a cartail midget. Y'all
go find out about a woman who's stay with her
husband to a two by four in a certain manner.
(24:22):
Y'all just go right on, because this book has got
so much more in it, and.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It's to me, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
An unbelievable playbook from you and I just want to
tell you I appreciate your service. Our country is safer
because of you. And there's something else I want to
point out. From the beginning of this talk, you would
say we did this, and we did that, and we
did this, okay, And I want everybody to understand, you
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were with eighteen one hundred percent. You were with people
that had your back, had your six was ready to
bust down that wall literally for you. But Scott, you
went in there by yourself, and I just appreciate it,
and I appreciate the sacrifices that your wife and daughters
made for our country.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, thank you too, and thank you for your service.
And it's just about doing the right thing. Just try
to pay it forward. I tell people all the time.
I'm like, man, I can't tell you. I mean, I
probably didn't do it my whole career, but the majority
of my career. If I arrest somebody, I sit them
down on the table. I'm like, look, I'm not saying
I think you're a bad person. I'm not saying I
(25:37):
disagree with what you did. I'm saying you're an adult
and you chose, you made a choice to break the law,
and you got caught. So here we are. Let's start here.
I will say that for your listeners the audio book,
if that's your thing, it's me. I did it, and
that's kind of what throw. I think that's what threw
is over the top. I mean, the book's only been
out since March twenty fifth, and I've already been blessed
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enough to be in New York Times Bestselling.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Author, so amen deserved.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I tell you what, when you get to Atlanta,
let me buy y'all dinner. I would love to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I'm down there a good bit because I don't
know if you know alert the active shooter response trained.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Absolutely sure.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I'm a learn instructor, so I'll come down there all
the time. I got now that I know, and I
got you to contact. Yeah, I'll hit you up absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Well, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the way
that I always do with a quote. The FBI gave
you a cheap metal and five hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Was it worth it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Retired FBI agent Joseph Pistone aka Donnie Brasco.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now I was gonna say that's my mentor and friend.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Amen, I'm Cheryl mccollumn and this is Zone seven.
From the woods of Rome, Georgia. You also find yourself
in Massachusetts with an outlaw biker gag tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That was a case around It was like two thousand
and five ish to maybe right up to two thousand
and eight. I was undercovered for two years on that case.
The Boston Division of the FBI. They had some Task
Force officers on the squad or at least they were
working with, and DA had an agent involved, and we,
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I mean, they got to the point to where they
were like, we want to introduce an undercover. I interviewed
for the possible gig and they picked me. So I
went under for two years with the outlaws of the
Taunton Chapter and the Brockton I mean, I met so many,
but I was mainly with the Taunton, Massachusetts Chapter.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And one night a basement is involved.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yes, what in the world's kind?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, another night I wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Over And you know, I don't know if you know
the show Naked and Afraid. Yes, my husband I love
that show.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So and what we'll do is we'll make.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Like the fanciest dinner ever with you know, champagne and everything,
and then we'll watch these people be miserable for an hour,
you know, in Africa or wherever. They are just barefoot,
walking on stuff, naked, having to have ants and everything
all of you. But to me, and I'm not trying
to be funny when I say this, but probably eighty
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percent would be much better if they weren't naked. There's
something about that where you are just completely stripped and
completely vulnerable and just thought a normal situation for you
and this story for me. I think probably I didn't
(02:02):
feel sorry for you. But I tell you what I did.
I thought about your wife because I thought about her
a lot. Because I'm just gonna straight up to you,
I am not the type of person when I think
of like historical wives that are just fabulous, like Kreta
Scott King, Honey, I couldn't be her, you know the second, third, fifth,
(02:25):
nineteenth time that Martin came home beat up. Uh uh,
We're gonna let somebody else do this this.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
This next walk you know in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Like I just I'm not that type of person that
when people that I love and care about are in
such a dangerous situation. And I mean I admire Kreta
Scott King. Don't misunderstand me. I'm just not made that
way that I know. He's in danger. They have fire
bombed our house, they're coming for him, and yet he's
going to leave our house again to go make the
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country better. And that's what I see in you. But honey,
I think about her. Yeah, she's so tell us what
happened in the basement.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
She's got quite the fan club going, even though he
is really out.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
There, you know, Yeah, she needs to.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I'm in it when I go and speak like I'm
next Sunday, Yeah, a week from to day, I'm driving,
I'm going to somewhere in Georgia to teach at the
Georgia Gang Investigators Association.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh, outstanding chores.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Sometimes she'll come with me and then I'll get that.
They'll be like, hey, tell me how your wife blah
blah blah, And I'll go, well, she's right there. Why
don't you ask for yourself? But but yeah, so, uh,
after a year and a half being undercovered with the outlaws,
and we've done all kinds of things, we gathered a
lot of evidence against them or several members. Anyway it started.
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I mean, there's a whole deal of how what's a
country boy like me doing? In Massachusetts. You know, you
got to have a legend. You gotta have a legit
backing and understand why you're there, and it needs to
look real and be real. So the long and short
of it is, they eventually found out I was a
criminal shocker, I know, but I portrayed a They believed
(04:13):
I was a high ranking or leader leading official member
of an international theft drink. So they were reporting vehicles stolen.
In the beginning, they would sell them to me at
a stolen price. They would collect the insurance money, and
they believed I was taking vehicles to Mexico. And then
it got to where they were stealing vehicles, and then
it got to where they were carjacking people. And like
my nickname on that case was Text, and they'd be like, Text,
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we got to get rid of this vehicle. It is hot,
it's smoking hot. We just took it to gunpoint from
this gap. I'm like, I got it, man. So and
I bought some dope from them, but not a lot
because it didn't make any sense. I'm on the border
of Mexico at the time. Why am I coming to
Massachusetts to buy dope. I'm on the border of Mexico.
You know. So we got to up the end he
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after doing numerous deals at a year and a half,
and we decide me the case team in the United
States Attorney's Office. They had been asking to get involved
with the drug trade since the beginning, and the case
team was running a wire tap. We had all that stuff.
But we up the ANNIE and they wanted to meet
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my cartel contacts. And we set it up to where
we were going to do a drug shipment being delivered
and they were going to help cover it to make
sure it didn't get ripped. And that was going to
afford the president of the Tawn Outlaws to be able
and other people to meet my guy Manny from the cartel,
(05:40):
and we set all that up. It took a long
time to do. This is a very fast version of it.
I go into great depth in detail in the book
on it. But the long and short is is the
night before the op was supposed to happen, Joe Doggs,
the president says, Hey, why don't you come over to
the clubhouse. Well, I've been in that clubhouse umpteen times
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a bunch of times, and I was like, all right,
so I'll shoot over there. It was a little weird
in the beginning, and I didn't pick up on it
because it was like they weren't ready, And I'm like, well,
why did you even tell me to come over here
if you're not ready? And I go grab something to eat,
have a couple of drinks, come back, and then I
go into the clubhouse and what I don't know is
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that word about what they were going to be doing
had gone all the way to the top. I'm talking
national president of the Outlaws, and that came It came
back down to hey, have you really checked this dude?
And they're like, you know, the people that have been
working with me are my so called friends, you know?
Were like, yeah, man, we've done like eight stolen jobs
(06:46):
with this guy. We did this, there was something else
and none of us are in cuffs, We're we're not
wearing bracelets, you know. But they said, no, we really
want him check. So my job as an undercover, especially
that deep in that long as I'm getting I'm gathering evidence,
I'm getting recordings because it's a very intrusive technique. It is.
(07:08):
It's a phenomenal technique to use to gather evidence against
people committing crimes because the evidence is so overwhelming. All
they can really do is a defense to say was entrapment,
which is going to be easy for me to shoot
down because it's absolutely not entrapment. Everything's predicated, or they
can try to make me look like a piece of
trash on the stand. So they wanted me to get
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recordings in the clubhouse if it was happening of the
outlaws talking about this protection detail or this this drug shipment,
and I'm like, yeah, cool. So what I couldn't see
is when I went in there and I'm kind of
cracking my jokes, I would turn my head, but my
video recording device was aimed a different way. What I
didn't see is that when I would crack a joke
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and they would laugh, when I would turn my head,
they would just stop laughing. They would just go complete
like stoneface. Now, now the record, the recording device picked
it up, But that didn't do me any good because
I wouldn't seeing it live, you know. So Clothesline is
at that point a year and a half in it
was probably my second closest relationship that I built and
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ingratiated myself with. And he comes to me, he says, hey,
text you got a minute and I said, yeah. Well,
he goes into a door I've never been in, and
it's the only door I've never been in that clubhouse.
And it's a tight stairwell leading down to basically across space.
It's not even a basement. It's I couldn't stand up straight,
(08:38):
but it's it's kind of tight. But as I'm walking
in that door behind him, another outlaw comes in right
behind me, and I'm like, this is not good. This
is not good. And I'm watching and adrenaline dump starts happening,
and he pulls me down there and he says, look,
they showed me their pistols. They let me know I'm
not free to leave. And he said there's a lot
(08:59):
of shit going on and it's my job to take
care of my brothers because he was the enforcer. And
he said, so, I need you to write down your
full name, date of birth, address, social all that stuff,
and then I need you to take all your clothes
off because I'm gonna check you for a while. The
problem was, is I was wired to the hill? Had
I not been wired? Yeah, it's just embarrassing taking all
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your clothes off in front of two dudes in a
small basement or whatever. So because of the adrenaline dump,
I forgot my middle name. I'm trying to write it down,
and I'm like, I know it. I mean, I've been
it for well over two years, but because of the
stress and the old crap moment, I forgot my middle name.
But what seems like forever. It's probably only thirty seconds,
(09:45):
but I remembered it. I write it down, I take
off all my clothes and he checks me. But the
whole time I'm trying to talk and gather information, I'm like,
should I ask what's going on? Of course, my voice
doesn't sound like it does right now because it was
an old crap moment. My throat's tight, my pitch is
way higher, my enunciation was terrible because I'm freaking out.
(10:09):
But I'm trying to look like I'm not freaking out,
but I'm clearly freaking out. And I said, should I
ask what's going on? He's like, look, man, a lot
of stuff blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I said, look, man,
nobody has to do anything. You guys. I'm like, you guys,
uh told me you asked for this. I'm like, you
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asked for it? If nobody wants to do anything. They
don't have to do anything. But I'm also trying to
gather information while I'm taking my clothes off, because I'm like, man,
I you know, I already saw rope. I didn't see
plastic on the floor. But then he tells me, he
goes trust me, man, if somebody accused me of being
a FED, I'd probably smash him in the f and mouth.
And I'm like, well, I'm not happy. I take up
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all my clothes pretty much from the ankles up. I
was naked. I took my off. I dropped my pants
and underwear around my ankles, shirts and all the other
stuffs off and he checks me, and I think we're done.
And now I'm coming out of that adrenaline dump a
little bit and I pull my pants back up, and
then he grabs a piece of clothing and that piece
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of clothing he grabbed had a recording device in it,
and he starts going through it with crunchy hands, like
needing it. And I'm like, and I don't even know
I do it, but you can hear it on the recording,
like as I'm watching him, you hear my inaudible side
like I'm like, uh, you know, because I'm watching it
going here we go because he's getting close, and I'm like,
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we're talking again, like two thousand and six ish seven ish,
So technology then and nothing like it is now. Well,
let's just say the device that I had, if you're
squeezing hard, you're gonna feel something, you know. It wasn't
like it was super tiny. And he gets close, even
looks right at one of my video devices and misses it.
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So I lived to fight another day. Now you mentioned
my wife. So here's the craziest thing about that whole thing.
As if that wasn't bad enough. As soon as that's over,
I start talking business, but I'm still freaking out, and
then I'm just mad the rest of the night. I mean,
I probably slept maybe thirty minutes, maybe an hour most
that night, but I don't even think I made it
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an hour because it's just the stress and the adrenaline
dump and everything. And then we pulled it off the
next day we did the deal. But people always ask me,
they're like, hey, man, what would you have said if
he would have found something? Well, when he picked up
my jacket and my shirts and stuff like that, he says, look,
he says, I'm not gonna find anything in here, like
any cold pictures, Like I find anything I don't want
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to like an they could pictures of my old lady,
and I kind of laughed. So if he would have said,
what is this, my first response probably would have been
a joke, because that's just me, and it's also it's
also a defense mechanism, you know, crack a joke when
you're freaking out, and I was like, I probably would
have said, I don't know, some deck of pictures of
the old lady. But the only thing I had other
than that was just like, look, I would have said,
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the gig is up, I'm an undercover FBI agent, and
I can walk out of here and we can see
each other in court or all hell is going to
break loose. But that would have been a bluff on
my part because as far as I knew, every time
I'd been in that clubhouse, my team couldn't hear me.
Whether it was the walls, the equipment, whatever it was,
they couldn't hear me. So I was pretty much on
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my own now.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And especially if you're in a room you didn't even
know existed.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Right, Yeah, half underground? Yeah, who knows. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
even today's cell phones probably wouldn't work that good there,
you know. So I what I find out that night
when I hand over my equipment to the to the
cover team case team, is that the first two guys
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working that night were the task force officers Argent Higginbottom
with Massachusetts State Troopers Detective Comings from Brockton PD. Whatever
that initial exchange was between me and Joe Doggs at
the door, they felt like something wasn't right. So they
had gotten close enough to where they could hear everything.
And what I didn't know is they listened to every
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second of it, and they had radioed back to Boston
because it was really the beginning of our shift, even
though it was like seven o'clock at night or eight
o'clock at night. They were like, hey man, they got
Scott in the basement and he's wired and they're looking.
They're going they're checking him for a while. So, as
far as I knew, the way they told it to
me was everybody was coming down that was still working
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that night, blue lights and sirens trying to get to me.
Higgey and Sergeant Higginbottom and Cummings, Joe. They they had
suited up through their vest on everything, and they were
ready because they had been in that clubhouse before. They
knew how heavily forty five the door was. It had
a metal bar across it, more than one dead bolt
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kind of thing. And their plan was if I if
they heard me freaking out or something bad going, or
me saying help, help, Help, they were going to drive
the van into the cinder block wall beside the door
because they knew it would be easier to breach than
the actual door. So yeah, so that was the plan.
(15:21):
I mean, it's a plan. I don't know what would
have happened. I was underground, so who knows if they
were to drive over the top of me or not.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
But they were coming.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They were coming. So now it gets even more a
little emotional, if you if you want to use that word.
During that time, my wife I had bought her what's
commonly called a burner phone. Now he's buy a phone.
He put whatever minute you want on it. It comes
back to one, two, three, four of your street. My
name has kissed my ass. I mean it's just you know,
(15:48):
used to make up. Yeah, And originally it was being
used by people doing the various things and That's how
I learned about them myself. But I bought her once
so I could call it from my undercover on And
no matter what time I would finish up at night,
two in the morning, seven in the morning, didn't matter,
I'd call her to let her know I was done.
I was heading back to the hotel. After I got
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some sleep, i'd wake up and call her. So that
night when I called her, the first thing she said
was is are you okay? And I said, I said yeah,
Why and she said, she said, I don't know, but
she goes, I was driving with our daughters because we
were in McAllen, Texas at that time. So McAllen is
the bottom of Texas and I'm up in Boston, Massachusetts
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or right below it. And she said, at such and
such time, I was driving our daughters. Whether I don't know,
they're going to get eat something to eat, or running
the errands. But she said she was driving in the
car with a McCallan. She got this overwhelming feeling of
fear and pulled over on the side of the road
and started praying for me. And I mashed it up.
And it's when I was in the basement getting stripped
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at gunpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Wow. Well, Scott, I'll tell you there ain't no denying that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
No, No, that's some pretty some pretty other worldly crazy
stuff right there.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Sure. Absolutely. And then just that connectivity between the two
of you.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, apparently my old crap signing's pretty good because they
reached from Massachusetts all the way the bottom of Texas.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, let me just tell you that that's a pretty
good story. In the basement.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I worked under cover myself at the Fulton County Sheriff's Department,
and you shared a story, so I'll share mine. It
was the spring of ninety five in Atlanta and the
Grateful Dead were coming to town, oh boy, And so
they got a task force together and our job was
to go out and identify and then confiscate counterfeit T shirts.
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So basically the same Thanks Scott, Yeah, you got a
cover team, had.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
The whole backstory everything. You know. It's kind of funny
because when the.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Counterfeit T shirt you going to say you were working
all the acid going through the crowd.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
No, sir, we were going to clean this town up,
putting up with no counterfeit T shirts. But you know,
when I hear your story, I laugh, and it's like
I tell my kids, I've never worked under cover.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
You got to listen to Scott pain Well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But you know what, there's still a propensity for violence.
Even what you were doing. You know, somebody could on you.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It could have.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Let me tell you, everybody I dealt with was Heizekite.
I'll tell you that they was spinning and didn't know
where they were at, So confiscating shirts was pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
With all due respect to Grateful Dead's music and members,
I pretty much would have to be stone to like it.
It's just not my bag it is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It is an interesting environment, I will tell you, because
they had kind of practice, but it was something unique.
I want to go back to clothesline for a minute
because it's been my experience. I try to pay attention
to any type of moniker or nickname because sometimes it's how.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You look like.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
We dealt with a guy named shovel Head because that's
what he looked like. He had a big o'head. Milwaukee Jack.
I know you dealt with that's geography. And then you've
got some of like machine Gun Kelly. That's a straight
up signature. He's letting you know how he's gonna come
at you. So when I hear you talk about Clothesline
and the bond y'all had, and he was somebody you
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were super close to. And I want people to know
that when you're dealing with somebody man to man, human
to human, parent to parent, whatever it might be, you're
gonna bond with him.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You just are.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And I kind of I want to hear more about
Clothesline because that's somebody you trusted and he freaking took
you in the basement.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, I mean he's still I mean, he's a criminal.
But I you know, I don't really do the whole
dehumanizing thing like I didn't do it in the book,
because a lot of times I look and I could go, hell,
that could have been me easily, you know, I'm like absolutely,
I mean I could have been literally at that proverbial
fork in the road, I went right and I could
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easily gone left. And you know what, then that's probably
what gave me this. It definitely helped with my skill
set and to be good at what I did, because
I wasn't far from it, you know. But in other words,
I'm not pretending to be an Italian, you know what
I mean, I'm still me. But yeah, now that I mean, look,
so if you want to know how tight we were.
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So he did that and he didn't show up the
next day for the gig, and it pissed me off.
I took it personal, which I shouldn't have because I'm
Scott Payne. I'm not Scott Callaway for real, you know.
But I'm like, you know what, that's bullshit. You're going
to take me. You supposed to be my boy. You
take me down in the basement, stripped me at gunpoint,
and you don't even show up for the gig the
next day. And so it was an open beef between
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me and him. And the next time I came back
to townbody like Big Scott, which was the closest relationship
I ever had any and any undercover Scott Town Big Scott.
He was like, Hey, these are two grown men. They're
not going to settle it over the Phoney're gonna settle
it face to face. So whenever Text gets back up here,
it'll happen. So I got back up there and and
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Clothesline came into the canteen at every bar I was
at and he was like, hey, Text, you got a minute,
And I'm like, hell no, you know, like the last
time you asked me that I ended up making in
a basement with guns pointed at men. I don't have it.
I ain't got one second for you. How about that?
But he's like, nah, man, it ain't like that. We
went back in the kitchen and we were talking and
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I'm ready. I'm like, I'm I'm in the I'm in
the role. I'm like, I'm like, I'm upset, you know,
kind of like, all right, well, we're probably if we're
going to get the blows, we're going to get blows.
I don't know. I mean, this is this kind of crowd,
you know. And uh, he started telling me. He said, man,
he said, the reason I didn't show up is he
said that order came down from the top. It was
my job to do it, he said, but I didn't
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want to do it. And he said, I felt so
bad for doing that to you that that night I
got completely fricking wasted and I passed out and slept
through the whole thing. And I'm going, Okay, well that's
a pretty legit reason for not showing up. But then
he starts telling me. He's like, you know, I'm an outlaw,
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and I know I'm either going to die young or
die in prison. He said, that's my life. He said,
but and these are my brothers, and I grew up
with a lot of them, he said, But the truth
of the matter is is I don't really have a
lot of real friends. And he goes, I mean like
friends that I know would take a bullet from me,
and that I take a bullet for them. And in
my mind, I'm going, oh, man, don't you say it.
Don't you freaking say because I thought it was. I
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was ready to like argue and be pissed or whatever.
And then he said, you're one of those guys, and
he and that's and then I was like, oh man,
I'm such a I'm such a piece of trash, you know.
So yeah, so there's that. There's that bond for sure. Now,
I will say, on the scale of a lot of
things that I've done, Like, am I bonding with a
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pedophile he's hired me to kill the kid he molested
supposedly molested. No, I'm not bonding with that guy at all.
Can I really bond with a bunch of angry ass
white supremacists who say they're just going to rape women
when the bugaloo hits because they still don't know how
to get a partner. Yeah no, but maybe I can
(23:27):
find some things on a comedic level or something just
to help me ingratiate and connect with people. But I mean,
it's just no. I mean for me, I think it
goes all throughout the law enforcement career, because at the
end of the day, it's about human intelligence. I need
to be able as a case agent, as a uniform
patrol officer, as a narcotics investigator. I need to be
(23:48):
able to sit down with somebody, have a conversation, hopefully
connected with them, and get information. And you can use
that in any job, bro anywhere, and I believe it
will help you succeed.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Y'all need to go get this book immediately. You think
you've heard a ton, you ain't ready for the rest
of this book. And I'll just give them two things.
So y'all go find out about a cartail midget. Y'all
go find out about a woman who's stay with her
husband to a two by four in a certain manner.
(24:22):
Y'all just go right on, because this book has got
so much more in it, and.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It's to me, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
An unbelievable playbook from you and I just want to
tell you I appreciate your service. Our country is safer
because of you. And there's something else I want to
point out. From the beginning of this talk, you would
say we did this, and we did that, and we
did this, okay, And I want everybody to understand, you
(24:54):
were with eighteen one hundred percent. You were with people
that had your back, had your six was ready to
bust down that wall literally for you. But Scott, you
went in there by yourself, and I just appreciate it,
and I appreciate the sacrifices that your wife and daughters
made for our country.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, thank you too, and thank you for your service.
And it's just about doing the right thing. Just try
to pay it forward. I tell people all the time.
I'm like, man, I can't tell you. I mean, I
probably didn't do it my whole career, but the majority
of my career. If I arrest somebody, I sit them
down on the table. I'm like, look, I'm not saying
I think you're a bad person. I'm not saying I
(25:37):
disagree with what you did. I'm saying you're an adult
and you chose, you made a choice to break the law,
and you got caught. So here we are. Let's start here.
I will say that for your listeners the audio book,
if that's your thing, it's me. I did it, and
that's kind of what throw. I think that's what threw
is over the top. I mean, the book's only been
out since March twenty fifth, and I've already been blessed
(25:58):
enough to be in New York Times Bestselling.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Author, so amen deserved.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I tell you what, when you get to Atlanta,
let me buy y'all dinner. I would love to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I'm down there a good bit because I don't
know if you know alert the active shooter response trained.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Absolutely sure.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I'm a learn instructor, so I'll come down there all
the time. I got now that I know, and I
got you to contact. Yeah, I'll hit you up absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Well, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the way
that I always do with a quote. The FBI gave
you a cheap metal and five hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Was it worth it? Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Retired FBI agent Joseph Pistone aka Donnie Brasco.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now I was gonna say that's my mentor and friend.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Amen, I'm Cheryl mccollumn and this is Zone seven.
Host
Sheryl McCollum
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