November 24, 2025 • 27 mins
A photograph can provide documentation but can’t tell the whole story. This week on Pathology with Dr. Priya, a Zone 7 series, Dr. Priya Banerjee joins Sheryl McCollum to share why revisiting a cold-case scene, sometimes decades later, can completely shift an investigation. When she traveled for hours to inspect an identical car tied to a cold case, she discovered details impossible to see on paper. They talk about how vehicles can become part of the forensic story, why the setting itself matters, and how today’s technology can clarify what investigators once assumed. From seat position to power locks, their conversation highlights what’s lost when professionals rely only on reports and what’s gained when they return to the scene.
Highlights
• (0:00) Sheryl welcome listeners and introduces the topic: why visiting a scene is essential in cold-case investigations
• (1:00) Dr. Priya describers visiting a cold-case scene and inspecting an identical car for accuracy
• (2:15) The car as a crime scene: how transport vehicles create multiple evidence locations
• (3:30) How changing car technology, from manual locks to sensors, alters forensic interpretation
• (5:00) What revisitng a scene reveals that photos and reports cannot
• (10:00) Revisiting old neighborhoods and the effects of time, urban change, and memory on case context
• (12:00) Dr. Priya’s methodical process for documenting and photographing scene and how that strengthens her courtroom testimony
• (13:15) Returning submerged and long-missing vehicles and bringing families long-awaited closure
• (14:30) Dr. Priya on method, teamwork, and why working cold cases feels like giving back
• (20:45) Revisiting old files with fresh eyes: how old photos, modern technology, and tools like Othram and NamUs can finally move cold cases forward
About the Hosts
Dr. Priya Banerjee is a board-certified forensic pathologist with extensive experience in death investigation, clinical forensics, and courtroom testimony. A graduate of Johns Hopkins, she served for over a decade as Rhode Island’s state medical examiner and now runs a private forensic pathology practice. Her work includes military deaths, and high-profile investigations. Dr. Priya has also been featured as a forensic expert on platforms such as CrimeOnline and Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She is a dedicated educator, animal lover, and proud mom.
Website: anchorforensicpathology.com
Twitter/X: @Autopsy_MD
Sheryl McCollum is an Emmy Award–winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnline, and the Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She works as a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department and is the co- author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute (CCIRI), a nationally recognized nonprofit that brings together universities, law enforcement, and experts to help solve unsolved homicides, missing persons cases, and kidnappings.
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter/X: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to a pathology with doctor Priya. Y'all know what
mondays are about. This is the place where you get
to come and listen to one of the best in
the world break it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Down and let you know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I am really excited because a lot of people
do not know this aspect of a medical examiner's job,
and this is why she's one of the best in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Doctor Pria, how are you, honey.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I know you're tired. You've been out traps and
around all day.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's okay. We're here honor to do it.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It's one of my like I don't know, I don't
know how to explain it, but one of my goals
in life or how I give back, that's how I
look at it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, you know, this is what I want people to know.
You did something today. I bet they don't realize you do,
and that is you went to a CRM scene of
a cold case and I preached.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
On Zone seven.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Nothing takes the place of going to the scene.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You've got to see it to understand it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right, we did a cool thing where there's a cold case.
I don't want to give too much away, but we're
working on a cold case and we needed to examine
an identical car, and so, you know, hats off to
my colleagues who found an identical car. But it was
two hours more than two hours away each way, so
we went and took measurements. But I can't tell you
how much it convinced me, you know, in terms of
(01:41):
the story or against the story. I'll leave the cliffhanger.
We had a gut feeling, but seeing it in real
life is a different story. And just think about it's
an older car, right, cold cases are old generally, and
how much cars have changed even decade to decade, right
when I first started driving versus now, And so it
(02:02):
was fascinating to see the same exact make and model
of the car and get in it and realize, oh,
power windows, power locks didn't exist in every car, you know,
just things we take her granted. So it really was vital.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
A car can be a crom scene, and that's how
people to understand if somebody is murdered in their house,
transported to the body dump location, that's three separate crom scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yes, one of my first cases in Rhode Island wasn't
a cold case. But it was actually she was followed
out of a store, stabbed in the car, then dumped
and then the car was driven away with the knife
still in the car. So it you know, it was
and it's a small town, so I'm like, wait, we
(02:55):
need to find out where the heck this car is
the weapon and then when when to trial they had
Really it was quite a feat if you think about it,
because it was a hotel parking lot, of store parking lot,
all sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You have to get all the onlookers in town as.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Witnesses, so so dynamic, so you know, covering a wide area.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
In my world, a cold case is typically three years
or more that there has been no new witnesses, no
new evidence, no new suspects.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Literally nothing has happened for at least three years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You have already kind of told us this is decades.
So again, a lot of people that are maybe in
their twenties or thirties, they don't know that you used
not to be able to even adjust the.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Seat the seat was where it was in the car.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, you know, there's a lot. I mean, I'm forty seven.
I think about my first car versus my current car, right,
my parents bought me a new car. But it was
bare bones, right, It a Toyota Corolla that didn't even
have power windows, no power locks, no power windows, so
there were knobs I had to roll up and down
(04:09):
just to ask for directions or something. Right, sure, And
so even within my lifetime, right like that, I've been
driving since I was like, say twenty so we're talking
twenty seven years. Like how much car Now? I drive
a Subaru that tells me if I shift a lane
too fast or if there's someone in my rear view
side view.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I mean, it has all the bells and whistles.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I don't even know what half the dings are in
that car, but bell right, it goes.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Beat, beet beep.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know, I just know that I'm safely driving and
that's it. But you know, when we're talking about the
feasibility of any story, right like even in the cold
case I'm working, it's in another state and I'm like,
I might need to go to the scene just to
understand the railing where the person was found, the nature
(05:01):
of the territory.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's a very different area than New England.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just fascinating, you know, when you put yourself looking
at a two dimensional picture versus being in a right
three dimensional reality. It's very different. So I love visiting
the scene. And actually it's not just for cold cases though.
You know, my scene acumen was really developed in my
(05:28):
prior medical examiner work because we used to respond to scenes,
not all scenes, but you know, we would always review
all the pictures from every case, but on occasion, if
there was a suspicious death, obvious homicide and the bodies
at the scene, we would often go with baby reenactment cases,
(05:51):
you know, And I could always visit any scene that
I wanted to separately with police, but you know, on
a case by case basis. But I've gone to many
of scenes in my career and honestly, it really sets
my eye for what is abnormal or you know what,
what's out of place, what's different about it. You just
(06:13):
get a feeling for it, you know, when you're in
that reality. So it's not just cold cases, but you know,
I think when you're not when I'm not like the
primary doctor on the case, right, we're removed because of
time and logistics. Anything that can make the case more tangible,
more real, helps a lot, right, Like in terms of
(06:36):
what was the you know, was the weather the same?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Was the you know, was it raining snowing? Like is
it the same?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is it? You know?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Like we even.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Talked about in with Joe jackalone on his podcast. He
had gone to the Ellen Greenberg's apartment which has now
been redone the apartment complex, but you know we're talking
he visited the scene even in that case. Oh sure, right,
so in the vicinity and made the effort. So when
you're trying to put the stories together and the facts,
(07:08):
sometimes it's better to visualize it if you can and
put yourself in that position.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh. I think it's the most important thing. It's the
most important thing you can do. Otherwise all you have
is to to mention. And that's what I wanted people
to understand about you, that today it just happened to
be a cold case. But it's not just the body
for you. And a lot of people think that they
think the crime scene belongs to me and the body
(07:33):
belongs to you, which it does. But if you have
questions or things that are not answered, I think it's
imperative that you go and walk it right.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And you have the privilege often of working the scene right,
like collecting evidence and so you might have that visual
and you're taking pictures to relate to me, right, how
it's set up, how it's organized, and where the where
everything happened. But really, you know, I'm I'm such a
visual person that it helps me a lot to go
(08:05):
see it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
There's no question I'm the same. I am visual. I
must walk it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But here's the other thing. If you and I had any.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Question about what happened to a victim, or let's just
stay a person, they may not be a victim. If
we could walk that together and I could show you
here's the scene. This is the home, but just on
the other side of the backyard is this, across the
street is this? But what is down the block is
(08:38):
what's critical. It's gonna make so much more sense for you.
And then you may be able to look for things
or ask me about something that I didn't know to
look for. So it's a great two way street to me.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I've lived in different environments myself, right, And I used
to say, Baltimore City changed block to block, you know,
I lived historic neighborhood. But then I always walked my
German shepherd with me and two blocks over. It's not
as nice an area that it changes to night. I mean, right,
(09:13):
so you don't know where the traffic is coming from,
where people are coming from, the nature of the beast,
you know, where the home is situated, if there's I mean,
it was interesting just to go to the house where
the car was held. Today. I walk up their driveway
and there's a beautiful like lake in the backyard and
(09:33):
I was like, wow, I never would have thought in
suburbia there's this beautiful lake.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And he's like, yeah, you know, that's why we.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Live here obviously, but you know, well that's sort of different, right, unexpected?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What is there? Water? Is there a quarry? Is there?
I don't know, construction going on. There's so many.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Things, and does that limit who can go there? So
does now your suspect pull free?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And the funniest thing I want to say in Rhode
Island is Rhode Island direction, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know, I moved here fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And they'd be like, oh, make a left of where
the seers used to be and I'm like where the
seers used to be And.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was like, wait what And I was.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Like, it's not even that there's a Sears here.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You have to know that decades ago there was a
Sears I mean, you know, but or the Almax or
the you know, Apex whatever, the local grocery. And I
was like, wait, what what kind of directions are these?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You know, Rhode Island sounds southern. People turned it the
old Baker farm. The Bakers haven't lived there since eighteen
forty seven.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, and You're like, well that's thirty years ago, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
And honestly, working on cold cases, you have to remember
that you can attempt to go to the scene, but
the scene.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
May not even be there anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Right, the development changes, you know, the buildings could have
been knocked down. I mean, think about how much development
and urban sprawl there is, or suburban sprawl, if you will, right,
I mean, I remember visiting at you and Atlanta and
I'm thinking, wow, we're really far from downtown and that's still.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Considered Atlanta really, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Having dinner somewhere else and we're staying at a hotel.
But you know, then to take an UBERD to downtown
it was quite you know, maybe half an hour, but
it's still within the city limits or whatnot, or so
and how much that's probably changed since you've lived there
and grown up there. And I remember even my parents
area or where I grew up in Maryland.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I learned to drive there. When we moved there was.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Farmland, and then as I've grown up and moved away,
it's it's now gone to again suburban sprawl. There's an
overpass over the highway just to get to my childhood
grocery store a mile away. So if you told me
make a left or right, or this farm used to
be here, that's not pertinent.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I mean, you can't even visualize.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That anymore correct.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But you know, you go into the scene and having
a three sixty view that I believe would also help
you when you have to do press conferences. And I'm
thinking like mass disasters, high profile cases where they won't
to hear from you, but you being able to field
questions and answer questions because you've seen it well.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And I think I think it's even at a more
basic level than that. So every autopsy that I went
to the scene, I wrote a like a scene report,
like a paragraph or two.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
About my visit.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And then in court, you know, in court, I could say, yes,
I went to the scene. You know, I was called
immediately or my investigator was called, and this suspicion was
there that they you know, needed to call the.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The you know, medical examiner on call, which was me.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's you know, that's where we're we're at and then
I could give them the details just from.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That and that would mean so much to the family
that you went.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Oh yes, yes, you know, like I would go and
they would you know, they appreciated my involvement from time zero,
you know what I mean really literally at the start
of it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, we have these cases now where these vehicles
are being found in bodies of water everywhere that have
been submerged for thirty years and the families are just
now finding out it was just an accident. They just
skid it off the road. There's no damage around the
car except where it hit the front end going in.
(13:33):
And you know, all these years they didn't know if
they had been kidnapped or murdered or held somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The closure is key.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It's key these answers that are being given. So again
going to the scene, you standing there along with me
along with detectives to say yes, they're still in their
seat belts or these injuries are conducive to a wreck
and a wreck only.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Well right, And I mean having something like the context
of the car is even interesting because are they belted
into the car? Does the does the crash pattern of
the car make sense that it is an accident?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Or were they placed in a car and then rolled
off a cliff? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Like you can tell that based on the accident pattern
and injuries too.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, let me ask you this, doctor, I have a
way that I work like as soon well actually even
before I exit my vehicle, I start, Do you have
a way that you operate or is it just more
organic for you? No?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
So what we do is you know I would uh,
today I went with you know, this is a private
case that we're we're a cold case that we're working on.
But whatever it be, it's usually not just me. It's
usually let's say, an investigator in me or you know,
a colleague or two going to the scene and we
just start like what time, you know, sort of documenting
everything very step by step. What time did we get there,
(14:59):
what's the address? There's usually you know, if it's an
active crime scene, right, there's an entry cop you know,
who'll take our name and document our entry and then
I go, I sort of take it all in in
terms of orientation, whether it's a house, a park, you know,
what road we're entering, et cetera. So it could be
(15:20):
outdoor or indoor scene. But then it's where is the body?
You know, and I think we do do a lot
of like talking before touching the body, So talking we do,
talking and photographing. So I think it's important to know
like who's been at the scene, who called it in?
Like why, how did we discover that this was an incident?
(15:40):
How was the body found? Like was ems? Did ems
come to the scene? Obviously in a cold case, that's
completely different. Cold case is like today, I'm working without
anybody there, right, this is just extracting facts from the
file and then seeing if the story fit the evidence
(16:00):
available for measurement and examination or not. So it's sort
of two different approaches, if you will, whether it's an
active scene or a cold case.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So you also you have a team approach, and that's
something that I preach with these young you know, detectives
and all that you have, in my opinion, one of
the greatest professions because it is built that you work
as a team, so that if I forget something, you're
not and if you and I miss something, Fred's not.
(16:34):
I mean that's the whole point when you get all
the right people together.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And I think it's important because then you have you
know yet, like the double check or what was that again?
Or did we make you make sure we got everything now?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The one thing I do want to say is, whether
it's an active case or a cold case, you're at
the scene sort of taking in information and gathering photographs.
And you know, the photographs in any case, right new
or old, really document so much. So I think I
not just document the body and the changes, you know,
(17:09):
the post mortem changes if it's an active scene, but
getting all sort of the lay of the land documented
by photographs or the approach or you know, what doesn't
fit all of that is really important because you know,
even if it's my case, I'm not going to court
till two three years later at the earliest.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Right now, I don't remember all the details.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
But if I have a methodical approach and then I
photograph it and say, oh, yes, I remember this, you
know I took this picture. I'm standing there while my
investigator took the picture, that really then solidifies the evidence.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well, you know, when I was younger, there was a
TV show that showed somebody doing an autopsy and the
doctor taught the whole time they.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Were doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They explained what they were doing, when they did it,
why they did it it, And I sometimes will, you know,
absorb that same thing. And when I do a video,
a lot of times I will talk and point out
what I'm seeing and why I think it's important.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So when I teach my residence, like or i'm teaching someone,
you know, whether it's I teach a lot of people
right like how to do an autopsy, what I'm looking for.
I always say, there's a mental checklist I have. But
when i'm teaching, like if I'm showing someone, I will
talk them through my sort of checklist. You know, it's
(18:32):
not mental at that point. It's first, I cut here,
I look at this, I look at that. I always
do everything very methodically, meaning like the same way every time,
whether it be at the scene, but I always approach
I say, I look at the head first, and I
look at the front of the body. Then I look
at the right side of the body, the left side
of the body. Then I flip it and I look
at the back and I look at the right side
(18:54):
of the body and the let you know, so I
teach them because then they have like an organized approach
to it as well, you know, and I train investigators
or police, like when I gave you guys lectures, it's
the same thing. It's like if you do it the
same way, you don't you have more you know, not
that we're not perfect, but like you know, you have
(19:15):
less of a chance of missing something making sure you
cover everything because Murphy's law, right, It's not like TV.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The scenes are always in the in a terrible area
with terrible lighting. It's never like like a stage that
you can.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
See everything and you can it's clean and there's no
brush in the way. You're not climbing over trash or
animals or you know whatever it is, right so, or
slipping on ice or getting rained on or whatever it is.
So you know, if you have that sort of methodology
to fall back on, then it it comes through. And
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you know, it's interesting because I think, you know, cold cases,
why I like to do it. I sort of have
a philosophy like it's my way of giving back because
there's very few people with my skill set that can
approach them and help people looking into cold cases.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And really I.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Go back to it, but that wall at crime con
where families have their loved ones pictures like that is powerful.
Right When I saw that, it you know, really empowered me,
Like it made me sad because there's so many families
that want closure, but even if one of them gets
some movement on their case, that's one less family worrying
(20:33):
or you know, about what happened to their loved one.
I do cold cases because of that.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And then in some ways, you know, I think anytime.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
You're looking at a case sort of holistically meeting the file,
like I'm not in the trenches doing the autosy, but
now I have the you know what investigation is there
or isn't there? Right, Like we can be handicapped buy
what's not there. But you're also out of luck because
because this is from twenty thirty years ago, right that
(21:03):
we're not going to go back and get anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Maybe we can go and.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Interview a survivor or two, but you know, it depends
on the timeframe, and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know, so it's interesting sort of to know.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, in an ideal world, I would have all
of this, but if I don't, what still can I
work around or try to figure out despite missing pieces
of information? And that's what I really like, because that's reality, right.
Not every case is going to have the perfect investigation
and the perfect autopsy and autopsy pictures. You have to remember,
(21:38):
even when I trained in two thousand and nine twenty ten,
I was trained on black and white photographs eight by ten,
so digital photography still wasn't the norm, you know, which
means that pictures were more limited. We had to develop
them in a dark room.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
There was a lot of sort of.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You know, a different approach to autopsy and autopsy pictures.
Now I can take three hundred five hundred pictures, store
them on a thumb drive right like like on the
cloud like nothing. So really, older cases even have that
limitation in terms of availability of photographs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And you know, back in the day, people wrote fairly
good reports, but they didn't always add everything that somebody
told them. So sometimes being able to reinterview some of
these witnesses as paramount. We had a case where in
the photograph they had taken the time to do a
(22:40):
kind of far away of this side table than a medium,
then a close up of these eye drops thirty years later,
it wasn't in the report.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I didn't know why the eye drops were important.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But when we went back and we were able to
talk to the sister, she told her that her sibling
would have never left the house with out the eye
drops because they had a like a dry situation. I see,
I see, and she wouldn't have left them, she would
have taken them.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So she knew, she knew that she didn't leave on
her own.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The detective knew it and knew to take a up
close photograph, but it wasn't in the report anywhere. Sometimes
you got to go back and talk to the people
involved too.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Definitely, And that's really it, you know again, Like I think,
even when we've been at conferences and seen photos are
presented to the audience, right, you're taking in a lot
of information, right, and some things may be important that
were missed. Some things maybe red herrings, like someone's eyes
(23:43):
jumped to and they skip over the sort of important details,
or it brings up a question that can you know,
help hone, even like an investigation like a toxicology in
you know, eye drops. Now, I'm scarred from our last
conversation time me here, I drops I think, oh, my god,
did someone kill.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Someone with them right?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So, you know, something as innocuous as that, or a
glass liquid or I don't know, an an unidentified pill
or something, you know, and it's happened to me. Even
when I when I revisit autopsies, meaning I do the autopsy,
the toxicology comes back. Then I'm editing the report a
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month later, a month and a half later, and you know,
finalizing it is what I'm saying, And I revisit all
the pictures to make sure that it's you know, the
case is fresh in my mind, but all the like,
nothing jumps out at me again, does that make sense? Like, oh,
the pattern of that wound now in the context of
the investigation that has gone further, may give me another clue.
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Maybe I should let the police know about this pattern
of the wound, like, oh my god, like it from
far away. Sometimes, you know, when you take a step
back and look farther away, it's actually you see a
pattern that's more evident than when you were right next
to the body. And so that's what I also like
about cold cases, because it's about seeing the whole thing,
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maybe stepping away from it, fresh eyes, new information. You know,
you just never know what will come to. And then
of course we have techniques like authoram right, Like they've
done so much for cold cases in terms of the
DNA aspect of things.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Amazing. Yeah, you can't say enough good about authorm. I'm
gonna tell you authream.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And then there's names right where families can enter information,
emmys can enter information, police can enter information, and then
these matches are made and you know, you just never
know where things will go with the technology. So revisiting
cold cases and you know it may not be the
autopsy that solves it. But I you know, I work
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on various cold case committees, and I'll say like, oh,
well they collected this specific evidence from this case. Go
see if that swab is still there to test, you know,
so it maybe it's so much technical language, it's so
much or this injury happened, like check her fingernail swabbings
or check his you know, the pants strap or the
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belt or something. And you can really get you know,
help investigating agencies hone in on what evidence needs. I mean,
you can't test everything in a cold case right to
spread it spread you know, you have to hone in
and say Okay, this is the highest likelihood of giving.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Us an answer this far out.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So that's what I also really like doing on when
we talk about a team approach, you know, in a
cold case, it's like, oh, hey, look at that glass
it has a lipprint, you know, or why is the
table shifted over? Or whatever you can say about it, right,
but I often am asked to look at the autopsy
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just to give you know, a time of death.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Is this hair significant? You know what the.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Rigor mortis tell us, and that can maybe hone them in.
I don't know on suspects, evidence, whatnot.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Absolutely well, doctor, as always, there is just so much
information you give us so quickly, and you just you know,
you're able to break it down and I.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh well, thank you so much, and I can't wait
to hear more details once you can tell us about
this case.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Well, you know, I don't want to be presumptuous, but
today really was fulfilling, you know, so I hope it
moves forward and we can take this somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So y'all, thanks for joining us with pathology with doctor Priya,
and we will see y'all next week.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Thank you, doc.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Bye,
Welcome to a pathology with doctor Priya. Y'all know what
mondays are about. This is the place where you get
to come and listen to one of the best in
the world break it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Down and let you know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I am really excited because a lot of people
do not know this aspect of a medical examiner's job,
and this is why she's one of the best in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Doctor Pria, how are you, honey.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I know you're tired. You've been out traps and
around all day.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That's okay. We're here honor to do it.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It's one of my like I don't know, I don't
know how to explain it, but one of my goals
in life or how I give back, that's how I
look at it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, you know, this is what I want people to know.
You did something today. I bet they don't realize you do,
and that is you went to a CRM scene of
a cold case and I preached.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
On Zone seven.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Nothing takes the place of going to the scene.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You've got to see it to understand it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right, we did a cool thing where there's a cold case.
I don't want to give too much away, but we're
working on a cold case and we needed to examine
an identical car, and so, you know, hats off to
my colleagues who found an identical car. But it was
two hours more than two hours away each way, so
we went and took measurements. But I can't tell you
how much it convinced me, you know, in terms of
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the story or against the story. I'll leave the cliffhanger.
We had a gut feeling, but seeing it in real
life is a different story. And just think about it's
an older car, right, cold cases are old generally, and
how much cars have changed even decade to decade, right
when I first started driving versus now, And so it
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was fascinating to see the same exact make and model
of the car and get in it and realize, oh,
power windows, power locks didn't exist in every car, you know,
just things we take her granted. So it really was vital.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
A car can be a crom scene, and that's how
people to understand if somebody is murdered in their house,
transported to the body dump location, that's three separate crom scenes.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yes, one of my first cases in Rhode Island wasn't
a cold case. But it was actually she was followed
out of a store, stabbed in the car, then dumped
and then the car was driven away with the knife
still in the car. So it you know, it was
and it's a small town, so I'm like, wait, we
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need to find out where the heck this car is
the weapon and then when when to trial they had
Really it was quite a feat if you think about it,
because it was a hotel parking lot, of store parking lot,
all sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You have to get all the onlookers in town as.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Witnesses, so so dynamic, so you know, covering a wide area.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
In my world, a cold case is typically three years
or more that there has been no new witnesses, no
new evidence, no new suspects.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Literally nothing has happened for at least three years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
You have already kind of told us this is decades.
So again, a lot of people that are maybe in
their twenties or thirties, they don't know that you used
not to be able to even adjust the.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Seat the seat was where it was in the car.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, you know, there's a lot. I mean, I'm forty seven.
I think about my first car versus my current car, right,
my parents bought me a new car. But it was
bare bones, right, It a Toyota Corolla that didn't even
have power windows, no power locks, no power windows, so
there were knobs I had to roll up and down
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just to ask for directions or something. Right, sure, And
so even within my lifetime, right like that, I've been
driving since I was like, say twenty so we're talking
twenty seven years. Like how much car Now? I drive
a Subaru that tells me if I shift a lane
too fast or if there's someone in my rear view
side view.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I mean, it has all the bells and whistles.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I don't even know what half the dings are in
that car, but bell right, it goes.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Beat, beet beep.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know, I just know that I'm safely driving and
that's it. But you know, when we're talking about the
feasibility of any story, right like even in the cold
case I'm working, it's in another state and I'm like,
I might need to go to the scene just to
understand the railing where the person was found, the nature
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of the territory.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's a very different area than New England.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's just fascinating, you know, when you put yourself looking
at a two dimensional picture versus being in a right
three dimensional reality. It's very different. So I love visiting
the scene. And actually it's not just for cold cases though.
You know, my scene acumen was really developed in my
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prior medical examiner work because we used to respond to scenes,
not all scenes, but you know, we would always review
all the pictures from every case, but on occasion, if
there was a suspicious death, obvious homicide and the bodies
at the scene, we would often go with baby reenactment cases,
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you know, And I could always visit any scene that
I wanted to separately with police, but you know, on
a case by case basis. But I've gone to many
of scenes in my career and honestly, it really sets
my eye for what is abnormal or you know what,
what's out of place, what's different about it. You just
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get a feeling for it, you know, when you're in
that reality. So it's not just cold cases, but you know,
I think when you're not when I'm not like the
primary doctor on the case, right, we're removed because of
time and logistics. Anything that can make the case more tangible,
more real, helps a lot, right, Like in terms of
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what was the you know, was the weather the same?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Was the you know, was it raining snowing? Like is
it the same?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is it? You know?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Like we even.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Talked about in with Joe jackalone on his podcast. He
had gone to the Ellen Greenberg's apartment which has now
been redone the apartment complex, but you know we're talking
he visited the scene even in that case. Oh sure, right,
so in the vicinity and made the effort. So when
you're trying to put the stories together and the facts,
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sometimes it's better to visualize it if you can and
put yourself in that position.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh. I think it's the most important thing. It's the
most important thing you can do. Otherwise all you have
is to to mention. And that's what I wanted people
to understand about you, that today it just happened to
be a cold case. But it's not just the body
for you. And a lot of people think that they
think the crime scene belongs to me and the body
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belongs to you, which it does. But if you have
questions or things that are not answered, I think it's
imperative that you go and walk it right.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And you have the privilege often of working the scene right,
like collecting evidence and so you might have that visual
and you're taking pictures to relate to me, right, how
it's set up, how it's organized, and where the where
everything happened. But really, you know, I'm I'm such a
visual person that it helps me a lot to go
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see it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
There's no question I'm the same. I am visual. I
must walk it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But here's the other thing. If you and I had any.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Question about what happened to a victim, or let's just
stay a person, they may not be a victim. If
we could walk that together and I could show you
here's the scene. This is the home, but just on
the other side of the backyard is this, across the
street is this? But what is down the block is
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what's critical. It's gonna make so much more sense for you.
And then you may be able to look for things
or ask me about something that I didn't know to
look for. So it's a great two way street to me.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I've lived in different environments myself, right, And I used
to say, Baltimore City changed block to block, you know,
I lived historic neighborhood. But then I always walked my
German shepherd with me and two blocks over. It's not
as nice an area that it changes to night. I mean, right,
(09:13):
so you don't know where the traffic is coming from,
where people are coming from, the nature of the beast,
you know, where the home is situated, if there's I mean,
it was interesting just to go to the house where
the car was held. Today. I walk up their driveway
and there's a beautiful like lake in the backyard and
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I was like, wow, I never would have thought in
suburbia there's this beautiful lake.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And he's like, yeah, you know, that's why we.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Live here obviously, but you know, well that's sort of different, right, unexpected?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What is there? Water? Is there a quarry? Is there?
I don't know, construction going on. There's so many.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Things, and does that limit who can go there? So
does now your suspect pull free?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And the funniest thing I want to say in Rhode
Island is Rhode Island direction, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know, I moved here fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And they'd be like, oh, make a left of where
the seers used to be and I'm like where the
seers used to be And.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I was like, wait what And I was.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Like, it's not even that there's a Sears here.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You have to know that decades ago there was a
Sears I mean, you know, but or the Almax or
the you know, Apex whatever, the local grocery. And I
was like, wait, what what kind of directions are these?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You know, Rhode Island sounds southern. People turned it the
old Baker farm. The Bakers haven't lived there since eighteen
forty seven.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, and You're like, well that's thirty years ago, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
And honestly, working on cold cases, you have to remember
that you can attempt to go to the scene, but
the scene.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
May not even be there anymore.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Right, the development changes, you know, the buildings could have
been knocked down. I mean, think about how much development
and urban sprawl there is, or suburban sprawl, if you will, right,
I mean, I remember visiting at you and Atlanta and
I'm thinking, wow, we're really far from downtown and that's still.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Considered Atlanta really, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Having dinner somewhere else and we're staying at a hotel.
But you know, then to take an UBERD to downtown
it was quite you know, maybe half an hour, but
it's still within the city limits or whatnot, or so
and how much that's probably changed since you've lived there
and grown up there. And I remember even my parents
area or where I grew up in Maryland.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I learned to drive there. When we moved there was.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Farmland, and then as I've grown up and moved away,
it's it's now gone to again suburban sprawl. There's an
overpass over the highway just to get to my childhood
grocery store a mile away. So if you told me
make a left or right, or this farm used to
be here, that's not pertinent.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I mean, you can't even visualize.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That anymore correct.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But you know, you go into the scene and having
a three sixty view that I believe would also help
you when you have to do press conferences. And I'm
thinking like mass disasters, high profile cases where they won't
to hear from you, but you being able to field
questions and answer questions because you've seen it well.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And I think I think it's even at a more
basic level than that. So every autopsy that I went
to the scene, I wrote a like a scene report,
like a paragraph or two.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
About my visit.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And then in court, you know, in court, I could say, yes,
I went to the scene. You know, I was called
immediately or my investigator was called, and this suspicion was
there that they you know, needed to call the.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The you know, medical examiner on call, which was me.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's you know, that's where we're we're at and then
I could give them the details just from.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That and that would mean so much to the family
that you went.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Oh yes, yes, you know, like I would go and
they would you know, they appreciated my involvement from time zero,
you know what I mean really literally at the start
of it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, we have these cases now where these vehicles
are being found in bodies of water everywhere that have
been submerged for thirty years and the families are just
now finding out it was just an accident. They just
skid it off the road. There's no damage around the
car except where it hit the front end going in.
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And you know, all these years they didn't know if
they had been kidnapped or murdered or held somewhere.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
The closure is key.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It's key these answers that are being given. So again
going to the scene, you standing there along with me
along with detectives to say yes, they're still in their
seat belts or these injuries are conducive to a wreck
and a wreck only.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Well right, And I mean having something like the context
of the car is even interesting because are they belted
into the car? Does the does the crash pattern of
the car make sense that it is an accident?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Or were they placed in a car and then rolled
off a cliff? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Like you can tell that based on the accident pattern
and injuries too.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, let me ask you this, doctor, I have a
way that I work like as soon well actually even
before I exit my vehicle, I start, Do you have
a way that you operate or is it just more
organic for you? No?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
So what we do is you know I would uh,
today I went with you know, this is a private
case that we're we're a cold case that we're working on.
But whatever it be, it's usually not just me. It's
usually let's say, an investigator in me or you know,
a colleague or two going to the scene and we
just start like what time, you know, sort of documenting
everything very step by step. What time did we get there,
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what's the address? There's usually you know, if it's an
active crime scene, right, there's an entry cop you know,
who'll take our name and document our entry and then
I go, I sort of take it all in in
terms of orientation, whether it's a house, a park, you know,
what road we're entering, et cetera. So it could be
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outdoor or indoor scene. But then it's where is the body?
You know, and I think we do do a lot
of like talking before touching the body, So talking we do,
talking and photographing. So I think it's important to know
like who's been at the scene, who called it in?
Like why, how did we discover that this was an incident?
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How was the body found? Like was ems? Did ems
come to the scene? Obviously in a cold case, that's
completely different. Cold case is like today, I'm working without
anybody there, right, this is just extracting facts from the
file and then seeing if the story fit the evidence
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available for measurement and examination or not. So it's sort
of two different approaches, if you will, whether it's an
active scene or a cold case.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So you also you have a team approach, and that's
something that I preach with these young you know, detectives
and all that you have, in my opinion, one of
the greatest professions because it is built that you work
as a team, so that if I forget something, you're
not and if you and I miss something, Fred's not.
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I mean that's the whole point when you get all
the right people together.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And I think it's important because then you have you
know yet, like the double check or what was that again?
Or did we make you make sure we got everything now?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The one thing I do want to say is, whether
it's an active case or a cold case, you're at
the scene sort of taking in information and gathering photographs.
And you know, the photographs in any case, right new
or old, really document so much. So I think I
not just document the body and the changes, you know,
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the post mortem changes if it's an active scene, but
getting all sort of the lay of the land documented
by photographs or the approach or you know, what doesn't
fit all of that is really important because you know,
even if it's my case, I'm not going to court
till two three years later at the earliest.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Right now, I don't remember all the details.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
But if I have a methodical approach and then I
photograph it and say, oh, yes, I remember this, you
know I took this picture. I'm standing there while my
investigator took the picture, that really then solidifies the evidence.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well, you know, when I was younger, there was a
TV show that showed somebody doing an autopsy and the
doctor taught the whole time they.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Were doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They explained what they were doing, when they did it,
why they did it it, And I sometimes will, you know,
absorb that same thing. And when I do a video,
a lot of times I will talk and point out
what I'm seeing and why I think it's important.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So when I teach my residence, like or i'm teaching someone,
you know, whether it's I teach a lot of people
right like how to do an autopsy, what I'm looking for.
I always say, there's a mental checklist I have. But
when i'm teaching, like if I'm showing someone, I will
talk them through my sort of checklist. You know, it's
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not mental at that point. It's first, I cut here,
I look at this, I look at that. I always
do everything very methodically, meaning like the same way every time,
whether it be at the scene, but I always approach
I say, I look at the head first, and I
look at the front of the body. Then I look
at the right side of the body, the left side
of the body. Then I flip it and I look
at the back and I look at the right side
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of the body and the let you know, so I
teach them because then they have like an organized approach
to it as well, you know, and I train investigators
or police, like when I gave you guys lectures, it's
the same thing. It's like if you do it the
same way, you don't you have more you know, not
that we're not perfect, but like you know, you have
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less of a chance of missing something making sure you
cover everything because Murphy's law, right, It's not like TV.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The scenes are always in the in a terrible area
with terrible lighting. It's never like like a stage that
you can.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
See everything and you can it's clean and there's no
brush in the way. You're not climbing over trash or
animals or you know whatever it is, right so, or
slipping on ice or getting rained on or whatever it is.
So you know, if you have that sort of methodology
to fall back on, then it it comes through. And
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you know, it's interesting because I think, you know, cold cases,
why I like to do it. I sort of have
a philosophy like it's my way of giving back because
there's very few people with my skill set that can
approach them and help people looking into cold cases.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And really I.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Go back to it, but that wall at crime con
where families have their loved ones pictures like that is powerful.
Right When I saw that, it you know, really empowered me,
Like it made me sad because there's so many families
that want closure, but even if one of them gets
some movement on their case, that's one less family worrying
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or you know, about what happened to their loved one.
I do cold cases because of that.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And then in some ways, you know, I think anytime.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
You're looking at a case sort of holistically meeting the file,
like I'm not in the trenches doing the autosy, but
now I have the you know what investigation is there
or isn't there? Right, Like we can be handicapped buy
what's not there. But you're also out of luck because
because this is from twenty thirty years ago, right that
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we're not going to go back and get anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Maybe we can go and.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Interview a survivor or two, but you know, it depends
on the timeframe, and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know, so it's interesting sort of to know.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, in an ideal world, I would have all
of this, but if I don't, what still can I
work around or try to figure out despite missing pieces
of information? And that's what I really like, because that's reality, right.
Not every case is going to have the perfect investigation
and the perfect autopsy and autopsy pictures. You have to remember,
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even when I trained in two thousand and nine twenty ten,
I was trained on black and white photographs eight by ten,
so digital photography still wasn't the norm, you know, which
means that pictures were more limited. We had to develop
them in a dark room.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
There was a lot of sort of.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You know, a different approach to autopsy and autopsy pictures.
Now I can take three hundred five hundred pictures, store
them on a thumb drive right like like on the
cloud like nothing. So really, older cases even have that
limitation in terms of availability of photographs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And you know, back in the day, people wrote fairly
good reports, but they didn't always add everything that somebody
told them. So sometimes being able to reinterview some of
these witnesses as paramount. We had a case where in
the photograph they had taken the time to do a
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kind of far away of this side table than a medium,
then a close up of these eye drops thirty years later,
it wasn't in the report.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I didn't know why the eye drops were important.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But when we went back and we were able to
talk to the sister, she told her that her sibling
would have never left the house with out the eye
drops because they had a like a dry situation. I see,
I see, and she wouldn't have left them, she would
have taken them.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
So she knew, she knew that she didn't leave on
her own.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The detective knew it and knew to take a up
close photograph, but it wasn't in the report anywhere. Sometimes
you got to go back and talk to the people
involved too.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Definitely, And that's really it, you know again, Like I think,
even when we've been at conferences and seen photos are
presented to the audience, right, you're taking in a lot
of information, right, and some things may be important that
were missed. Some things maybe red herrings, like someone's eyes
(23:43):
jumped to and they skip over the sort of important details,
or it brings up a question that can you know,
help hone, even like an investigation like a toxicology in
you know, eye drops. Now, I'm scarred from our last
conversation time me here, I drops I think, oh, my god,
did someone kill.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Someone with them right?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
So, you know, something as innocuous as that, or a
glass liquid or I don't know, an an unidentified pill
or something, you know, and it's happened to me. Even
when I when I revisit autopsies, meaning I do the autopsy,
the toxicology comes back. Then I'm editing the report a
(24:24):
month later, a month and a half later, and you know,
finalizing it is what I'm saying, And I revisit all
the pictures to make sure that it's you know, the
case is fresh in my mind, but all the like,
nothing jumps out at me again, does that make sense? Like, oh,
the pattern of that wound now in the context of
the investigation that has gone further, may give me another clue.
(24:46):
Maybe I should let the police know about this pattern
of the wound, like, oh my god, like it from
far away. Sometimes, you know, when you take a step
back and look farther away, it's actually you see a
pattern that's more evident than when you were right next
to the body. And so that's what I also like
about cold cases, because it's about seeing the whole thing,
(25:07):
maybe stepping away from it, fresh eyes, new information. You know,
you just never know what will come to. And then
of course we have techniques like authoram right, Like they've
done so much for cold cases in terms of the
DNA aspect of things.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Amazing. Yeah, you can't say enough good about authorm. I'm
gonna tell you authream.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And then there's names right where families can enter information,
emmys can enter information, police can enter information, and then
these matches are made and you know, you just never
know where things will go with the technology. So revisiting
cold cases and you know it may not be the
autopsy that solves it. But I you know, I work
(25:50):
on various cold case committees, and I'll say like, oh,
well they collected this specific evidence from this case. Go
see if that swab is still there to test, you know,
so it maybe it's so much technical language, it's so
much or this injury happened, like check her fingernail swabbings
or check his you know, the pants strap or the
(26:13):
belt or something. And you can really get you know,
help investigating agencies hone in on what evidence needs. I mean,
you can't test everything in a cold case right to
spread it spread you know, you have to hone in
and say Okay, this is the highest likelihood of giving.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Us an answer this far out.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
So that's what I also really like doing on when
we talk about a team approach, you know, in a
cold case, it's like, oh, hey, look at that glass
it has a lipprint, you know, or why is the
table shifted over? Or whatever you can say about it, right,
but I often am asked to look at the autopsy
(26:53):
just to give you know, a time of death.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Is this hair significant? You know what the.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Rigor mortis tell us, and that can maybe hone them in.
I don't know on suspects, evidence, whatnot.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Absolutely well, doctor, as always, there is just so much
information you give us so quickly, and you just you know,
you're able to break it down and I.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh well, thank you so much, and I can't wait
to hear more details once you can tell us about
this case.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Well, you know, I don't want to be presumptuous, but
today really was fulfilling, you know, so I hope it
moves forward and we can take this somewhere.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So y'all, thanks for joining us with pathology with doctor Priya,
and we will see y'all next week.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Thank you, doc.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Bye,
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