October 2, 2025 • 21 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones.
🎯 Purpose of the Interview
The interview aims to:
- Introduce Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones’ work helping entrepreneurs and professionals “bankroll their brilliance”.
- Encourage listeners to monetize their unique talents and create multiple streams of income.
- Inspire individuals to align their purpose with their profession for greater impact and fulfillment.
- Share strategies for overcoming fear, embracing authenticity, and building scalable businesses.
🧠 Key Takeaways 1. From Casting to Coaching
Nicole’s early career in talent management and casting helped her develop a gift for recognizing people’s potential. She now uses that gift to help entrepreneurs and executives identify their “DNA” (Distinct Natural Ability) and turn it into income.
“I could see you and how you could fit into the script… That’s really what I do with entrepreneurs now.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
2. Purpose Is Your Power
Nicole emphasizes that purpose is the one thing you never get fired from. Aligning your work with your purpose leads to higher performance and deeper fulfillment.
“When you bless somebody with the thing that you do, they’re gaining—and you’re gaining for God.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
3. Multiple Streams of Income
She teaches clients to diversify their income by creating products, programs, and services that don’t require their constant presence—what she calls “money while you sleep” or “mailbox money.”
Examples include:
- Lawyers creating online courses for clients who can’t afford billable hours.
- Gymnasts licensing their training methods and renting out facilities.
“Your comfort zone is where your dreams go to die.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
“If you are physically tied to the money you make, you’re capping your potential.” – Rushion McDonald
4. Stop Giving Away Your Brilliance
Nicole warns against giving away intellectual property for free. She encourages professionals to recognize the value of their expertise and package it into paid offerings.
“You’re giving away your cookie for free… You have value that people will pay for.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
5. Create a Methodology
She helps clients build a blueprint for their expertise, turning routines and habits into teachable systems. Her metaphor: “You can’t see the label from inside the jar,” meaning people often overlook their own value.
“It’s really helping someone produce the value that is coming out of you effortlessly.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
6. Authenticity Is a Business Strategy
Nicole encourages people to embrace their full personality, even if it’s “too much” for some. She believes that being yourself is the key to attracting the right audience and opportunities.
“Stop letting people turn down your light. This is who I am. God made me this way.” – Dr. Nicole Roberts Jones
💬 Memorable Quotes
- “Corporate doesn’t need more of corporate.”
- “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
- “Each of us were born to disrupt whatever system we’re called to work in.”
🌟 Impact of the Interview
This episode is a masterclass in personal branding, purpose alignment, and entrepreneurial strategy. Nicole’s energy and clarity make her insights actionable and inspiring, especially for professionals looking to pivot, scale, or rediscover their value.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
come directly to me. Now let's get this show started.
My guest is doctor Cole Robert Jones, veteran of the industry,
more important, the veteran of the entertainment industry. The Cole
worked in their talent management and casting before shifting her
talents to help others bankroll. They're brilliant. That's why I
got on the show Money Making Conversations. She had to
worry bank roll already, so we started in the right
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direction with the Cole. The Cole now works with entrepreneurs
to create multiple streams of income, which we love hearing
about on Money Making Conversation master Class. For what they
already know to build an empire from their own expertise
and especially they're brilliant. Additionally, she provides training and development
to corporations to raise employee engagement and retention. The military
(01:07):
need to be talking to her. Please work with the money,
money making Conversations masterclass and one and only Doctor Nicole
Roberts Jones.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yea, excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, first of all, thank you for taking the time
to come on my show, because I kind of jokingly
said that about you know when you said that corporations,
you know, raising employment engagement, employee engagement and retention. And
the military has the problem. Have you positioned yourself to
be talked to the military or has the military or
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approached you because that's a skill set they know they need,
especially creating recruitment engagement and then also retention because requires
the cap you know, the military recruitment has always received
another lot of negative backlash day not reading there, their
number of which will become dangerous here pretty soon. Talk
to Nicole.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So I so what's funny is I have government as
my number one go Yes, I have as my goal too,
because here's one thing I know for Sean is no
matter what you do, your purpose is the one thing
you never.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Get fired from.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Right, So you're gonna line that with your work, not
only will you love it, but you overperform everybody else.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So yes, definitely I'm looking into more government.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You have to, because, like I said, that's the world.
And I'm really talking about that military side. You know,
the army, the Navy, all those little closes they always
said because of the fact that you know, you know,
it's like the police. You complain about the police to
you just die nine one one, okay, Hell, you complain
about the army till you said, who's protecting our borders? Okay? Right,
So that means that there are people out there that
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we need to be able to position to do those things.
And let's go back to a little bit because I
love the fact what you do now because you've always
been a person that has you know, sought our talent,
had an eye for talent in your casting days, let's
talk about that because being a person that win in
for auditions, who mailed this head shot in trying to
get cast, that was always an annoying part of my life.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What were you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Looking for in that genre when you was talking when
you when you was doing talent management and also casting.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know what's interesting is I've always been since I
was four or five years old, someone that could see
people's natural talent, and my friends called it bossy back then,
and I would like make.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Suggestions of what you should do.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So when I worked in TV and film, the thing
that was easy for me is when you came in
for an audition, I could see you right, so I
could look past whether you could act or not. That
was a whole nother conversation. I could see you and
how you could fit into the script. Acting is a
you know, you have to be able to act to
do that piece, but beyond just that, I had to
be able to see you inside of that role. So
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I think that was my gift, and that's really what
I do on entrepreneurs now is being able to see
or even corporate executives, being able to see who you
be and how that aligns with the work that you
should do well.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because sometimes people going from one role and you say,
you know, you'll fit better over here and so and
so that's important when sometimes in jobs that you do,
you might be doing this job, but that may not
be your strength. How do you break down the people
the reality of what their gift really is versus what
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's so good?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I think many of us grow up in culture
where we make lists, right, I want two point five kids,
I want to have this house.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want to work in this career.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But we don't stop long enough to tap into our
soul and really understand who we be at our core.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So it's really looking beyond.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
What the world says, what perception says, and the list
that we make, to really get to know yourself on
a deeper level. I think when I meet many people,
it's not even that your original list isn't in alignment with.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What you're great at.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It may be that you just have outgrown that place
like that, and so it's really going to that next level.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Oftentimes I say God doesn't rumble you up because he's like,
okay with where you are. He's looking for who you
have not yet become right, And it's in that place
that we've got to do the work to move to
your next.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know what I always talk about on this show,
You know it's just an entrepreneurs show, really is a
show about life because you know, I talk about relationships.
That's what this show is about. Because if you don't
have poor community, you have poor communication and relationship. You
don't have a relationship, same thing as your job, same
thing as a business owner, same thing as an entrepreneur.
So do you take that global perspective when you're talking
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to your to clients or talking to people trying to
motivate them, and realize that the skill that you're giving
them should be universal.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So, really, to be honest with you, it's not even
about you. So when you think about what you do
for a living, it's about listen.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Profit. The word profit means gain.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So ultimately the goal is this, how are you gaining
for that person. If you're worried about gaining for your pocketbook,
you're always going to behind. Now I'm not saying don't
make money, because we want money making conversations, but if
you can up level that and understand that when you
bless somebody with the thing that you do, they're gaining
and ultimately, when you do the thing that you were
born to do, you're gaining for God because what you're
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doing is moving his agenda forward as you bless the
people that need you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So it's bigger than just a check.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's about what impact are you making with the thing
that you do.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So, speaking to doctor Nicole and Robert Jones, and it's
about when I bring on the show. She has a
lot of natural instincts, and so we all have natural instincts,
but it's how you allow them to manifest themselves to
your dreams, you know. And when you start talking about
multiple streams of income, and that's I read that out
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in her credit. You know, she always emphasized that can
you explain to people what exactly that is, just in
case they don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So, as an entrepreneur, if you're only working with your
clients and you have to be present, you're in capping
off two things. Obviously, you know, I'm going to say
how much money you make, but also how much transformation
that you're able to impact in this world. So when
you think about all the ways you can take your DNA,
your distinct natural ability and package it into multiple ways
you can serve people.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Most of them some of them, I.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Would say most, but some of them should be what
I call making money while you sleep. So right now,
somebody's going through one of my programs and I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm here with you. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I've had clients in Singapore and Aruba and listen and
Singapore are usually when I'm sleep there awake, and vice versa.
That means that they were going through a program or
they were going through one of my programs online and
I wasn't present. So when you look at all the ways,
and I think, if I give you a concrete example,
a lawyer that I work with before, and most lawyers think,
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and this.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Is replies to everybody that you know they have to
be present, and or lawyer is like, well, I can't
give legal advice, but there are.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
A whole lot of things that you know because you
would through law school that the typical person doesn't know.
So the lawyer that I'm thinking of in general or
specifically rather I should say, is a family practice lawyer.
And when I said to her, what do people come
to you for the most, so she said divorce. I said,
how many people do you turn away because they can't
afford your billible hours?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
She said, oh a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know, I think that I call it mailbox money.
You know, you open the mailbox. Ooo, Lord a chick,
that's mailbox money. And some people say I love that.
Some people used to terminology, you know, money while you sleep,
which is another terminology. The bottom line is that if
you are physically tied to the money that you make.
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That means that you are physically tied to that, which
means that you can't get sick, which means that you
have to worry about days off, which means you have
to worry about vacation, which you have to worry and
not saying that mailbox money prevents that from happening. But
guess what if you got another job and you get
mailbox money, and you got another job and you're making
money while you sleep. That determines the level of conversation.
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We were saying, multiple streams of income, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And never give you another example if you don't mind,
because some people think this doesn't apply to them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I had a woman who was a gymnast. They used
to train kids. Now.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I met her, she was in her forties, and
I said to her, how much long are you gonna
be able to flip?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let's keep it all the way real, so in.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A minute, you're not gonna even get on the floor
flip how.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You gonna make money? She was silent.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I said, so what you need to realize now is
how do you shift it now before it's too late?
And what she said to me was because of course,
I suggested that you hire the people teach some of
your methodology and you can have other people teaching it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
She said, well, somebody might steal it. I said, girl,
do you know what a lawyer is? Number one? Number
two two?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Why don't you buy the gym that you're doing this
stuff in so that you can use it more than
just your classes. You can rent it out, rent out
for parties and so so it's really thinking outside of
the box to all the other revenue opportunities that are
available to you instead of just again, think about it
in one way.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Now, you're so funny just changing for doctor cole Jo
Robert Jones. You know, if you got to watch her
listening to her as cool, you got to watch her.
She is so expressive. She's one of the people where
I wish I had known her in college. She would
have been a who because she's she's really You could.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
See your time you go off for drinks. We have
a good time.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You see the words come out of my mouth. You
see them, you know you see them, and they like
they like hitting you, like wow, she had something to say,
and that's why I love talking of it, which means
that that's why she's so successful because the fact she's
very expressive. But there's a conversation that allows you to
believe that that that can be part of your DNA. Now,
when we're talking about people who are afraid to create
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change in their life, create change in their relationships, I
always keep going back to relationship because a lot of people,
when I start talking about create change, start talking about job,
talking about fear. There are people out there with relationship
right now. They don't want to be in, but they're
afraid to make change. They're people out there working jobs
forty hours a week. They don't want to that. People
out there got a Hamburger sitting on their shef No,
it's no good, but they're afraid to make change. I
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was talking to this company. They brought me in. They
had me sample all their food. I told them what
I didn't like about it, Because everybody knows I'm a foodie.
I said, I hate your fries. I said, I'm a
fried person. Change the fry. Oh no, our customers love
those fries. But are they what customer? Is it a
bunch of customers or just the customers who come through
that you try to get to a bunch of customers. Now,
a bunch of customers like that fry. Rishan has nothing
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to say. But if just a few people like those fries,
and you're trying to get to a bunch, change those fries.
So that's the conversation. Did you you hone into people
all the time? People are resistant to change. Tell us
about that.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So you know, one of the things that I always
say is your comfort zone is where your dreams go
to die. Because what happens is when you're trying to
stay comfortable. That means, as my auntie, you always say,
don't limit God's ability to bless you because you can't
see this other possibility when faith hebrews and everyone says
faith is a substance of things, hope for the evidence
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of things not seen.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So your limiting was possible, but only by what you
can see.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And when God is wombling in something inside of you,
it's always going to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Than what you say. Oh no, I'm going to get
into the Bible. One my favorite Bible.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Versus the Features three twenty is if God is going
to do abundantly above all you could ask or think,
if it's bigger than what you've ever seen and what
you've ever thought of yes, go be scary, but that's
what God does his best work when we rely completely
and totally on him and expand what's possible.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That's my girl, doctor Nope, Nicole Robert Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
Money Making Conversations master Class. Welcome back to Money Making
Conversations Master Class with me Rashaun McDonald.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now that's time to my little this part of you.
You know, if you fall away from the from the microphone,
from the radio, the podcast, you get close. She's about
to give out some steps now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So the book is back for all your brilliance.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
In that book gives you fifteen ways to profit from
your brilliance, your DNA, your your genius.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well one of the top ones that because my wife
always tells me this. She's she hear me on the
phone talking to people. You know, stop getting away your
intellectual property for free. And I always tell like clean,
nobody do it with me. And you know, and just
as a stand up comed I always go back to
where our stand up comedy is because I used to
know comedians. You know, they wouldn't go on stage and
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do their best sets because they were afraid somebody might
steal that jokes. And I've always been in the mindset
is that I'm not a well that's going to run dry,
you know that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
But I always say, a second rate version of me
is never going to come the first.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Or come on now. So when stop giving away your
intellectual property for free? Tell us over that that's one
of your tips of how to bank roll your brothers.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I misunderstd your question got you, so yes, So listen,
we walk around overlooking our brilliance, meaning that we think, oh,
don't everybody know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
How to do this? Oh, this is easy, so.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You give away content, context, advice, and if I give
you a tangible Except I have a girlfriend that's a journalist,
and she was talking about people call her and try,
you know, to ask how she got on TV. I said,
stop it. You know you're coaching people, right She said, oh, yeah,
you're giving away your cookie for free. So I need
you to stop doing that. And so she created a
whole on air academy. So it's really understanding. How do
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you not understanding? It's really unseeing.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That you have value that people will pay for. That
makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, it's kind of interesting because I guess the level
of people that call me, because you know, they would
probably not be signing up for online class. Go who
just called to I?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Go?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, they just need some advice. But I know that exactly,
and I think maybe one day I'll sit down with you,
Dr Jones, because I need that coaching. You know, because
people always tell me that I ei the word genius,
a brilliant ability to the marketing brand things. I've done
it so many years consistently, but I haven't been able
to wrap my head around how does that feel like
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a course? How do you look like a person like me?
They tell me I need to write a book, you know,
some people say in any documentary on you, you know? Right? So,
but these are compliments? But how do you turn compliments
into revenue?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So the first thing that I do with my clients
is we create what I call a blueprint or a methodology.
So because you cannot see the label from inside the jar,
what do I mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, so don't judge me. This is not kool, Like
this is vitamin water, Okay, but on.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
This water bottle there is a If you live inside
a jar and the labels on outside, you can't see
what you do. So then when you try this is
why it's Harvey Rashan, You try to then package what
you do into some kind of methodology to teach people.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's hard because you just do it effortlessly.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So it's really helping some having someone that can produce you.
So this is where I say my TV infim from
casting to producing comes into play, because really, what I
do is take you through an exercise where I'm producing
the value that is coming out of you effortlessly. I
can see it, we write it down, we create a
methodology from it. Now, what do I mean by that?
Most people have a think about it like this. When
I wake up in the morning and I wash my face,
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I have a whole routine that I rush my teeth,
wash my face, put on my makeup. If I forget
to do something, it's because I did something out of order.
I have a methodology and so when I'm outside of it,
something is off and I can feel it. It's the
same way we each function in our gifts and we
don't realize it because we're on autopilot. So it's really
taking the time to have someone help you do that,
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and you can't do it because again, you can't see
the label. So there'll be things that you overlook which
we intrinsically all do.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That you know, I agree with this habit because like
when I travel, if I break tradition, like for instance,
I travel, will always have a carry bag, and sometimes
I had a carry bag I can put in the
up top. Like when I went to Orlando, I didn't
bring the carry bag to put up top. I just
checked luggage and child. When I got up from that plane. See,
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I was like, okay, something I'm talking right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You really have.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
To be aware of doing things successfully and a habit way,
because you break habit, it does impact your life.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, and so what an essence you have to do
is take the thing that you've been doing. Look, every morning,
when I wake up, I can't wake up and say
I think I feel like being Rashaan today. Yeah, that
will not work every day I'm automatically in a call.
So again, there's things that I do that I don't
even realize that I'm doing. My husband sometimes laughs at me,
like do you realize you do this? Like I laugh,
and then I always do at the end of me
laugh and.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm like, I didn't know I did that.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So it's again that's who I am, and what I
do is I laugh really hearty and I feel like
I need to breathe after I laugh.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I'm sharing that because all of us do things
that we don't realize that we're doing. So it's really
taking the time to hire someone that can pull that
out of you so that you can then create programming
from that. That is the yummy stuff that gets left
out when people are building businesses.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I am going to We're going to connect because I
think that I need to bring you into my life
to develop that platform because I really don't know what
to do. I really don't know. But everything you're saying
is absolutely correct, and if you have time, I will.
You know, this interview is about you, Yes, what I
do for a living, I'm getting I'm getting personal now
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you know this is my show. It's about me now
you know, ain't about you no more? Hey, what time
can we connect so I can tell you my life
story so we can make some money, because that's what
it's about. It's about making money, but making money off
your experience, making money off your value and then but
it's also you know, stepping out your comfort zone. And
I think that's one of the things that you talk
about a lot, because I can't do what you do,
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like you just said, I can't wake up and do
ujah because but but I gotta lean in your direction
because you the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And if here's the other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Thing too, U Sean, when you think about that, is
there will be some people that think.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh, she's too much and I am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Too much for you, right, But there are some people
that love me because I'm very animated. That's who I am,
so some people try to turn it down. I stop
letting people turn down my life.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
This is who I am. I didn't create this.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
God did.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So what I'm saying when I turned down my light
is God made a mistake instead of being all of
who I am and knowing that there are some people
that I'm assigned and aligned with and some I'm not,
and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's for all of us.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And the more you get clear on that, the better
your life, your business.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Even.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I love how you talk about relationships. Everything is in
relay is how we relate to one another. And so
when you start to be you fully and completely, that's
when people can really relay with you.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And that's really the truth. And I think that there's
a comfort zone with you in communicating because I interview
people all the time. I can't tell you how many
people I probably could have said, you know so, Nicole
or doctor nic Cole Rubbert shows we need to connect
because I can't do something because my whole career is
tied to Rashaan McDonald knows everything. Raean McDonald. I remember
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Steve Harvey's overas saying, Sean, do you really think you
know everything? I go, yeah, yeah, what you want to do?
Say no that that that's not part of my DNA.
But part of my DNA is to have answers. And
that's what makes me successful when people come to me
with answers. And so when you so, if I tell
people publicly that as a leader, you know, they always
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tell you can't show any signs of weakness, and so
that sometimes as a leader, you tend to not go
to somebody who may be a subordinate not saying you
are subordinate, but somebody else who has a different skill
set in the midt You can't do that, and they
might use that against you. I'm just telling you, you've
created a confidence zone with me that I don't feel
negative spirit when I tell you I need your help.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Well, here's the other thing too, Rashan, I don't think
any of us are born to fit in the box.
Each of us were born to disrupt whatever system are
called to work in. What do I mean by that?
So if I work in corporate, corporate or it is
already corporate, Corporate doesn't need more of corporate. So if
I go in there with all my flowery you know,
bol colors and I'm all animated, they love it. But
some people will try to find the box of corporate
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and going there and they wonder why they're not coming
back for more and more. Corporate doesn't need more of corporate,
and they're hiring you because they need you to be
different than that system. And so I think so many
of us try to fit into a box, and God
never intended for us to fit in any kind of box.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I don't know someone she in she's not fitting
in my box. I'm talking to formative speaker. She will
tell you how to bank roll your brilliance, Doctor Nicole
Robert Jones.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
This has been money Making Conversation Masterclass with me Rashaan McDonald.
Thanks to our I guess and our audience. Visit Money
Making Conversation dot com to listen, or register to be
a guest on my show. Keep leading with your gifts,
keep winning
Speaker 2 (21:10):
M
Hi. I am Rashan McDonald, a host of weekly Money
Making Conversation master Class show. The interviews and information that
this show provides are for everyone. It's time to stop
reading other people's success stories and start living your own.
If you want to be a guest on my show,
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come directly to me. Now let's get this show started.
My guest is doctor Cole Robert Jones, veteran of the industry,
more important, the veteran of the entertainment industry. The Cole
worked in their talent management and casting before shifting her
talents to help others bankroll. They're brilliant. That's why I
got on the show Money Making Conversations. She had to
worry bank roll already, so we started in the right
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direction with the Cole. The Cole now works with entrepreneurs
to create multiple streams of income, which we love hearing
about on Money Making Conversation master Class. For what they
already know to build an empire from their own expertise
and especially they're brilliant. Additionally, she provides training and development
to corporations to raise employee engagement and retention. The military
(01:07):
need to be talking to her. Please work with the money,
money making Conversations masterclass and one and only Doctor Nicole
Roberts Jones.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yea, excited to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, first of all, thank you for taking the time
to come on my show, because I kind of jokingly
said that about you know when you said that corporations,
you know, raising employment engagement, employee engagement and retention. And
the military has the problem. Have you positioned yourself to
be talked to the military or has the military or
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approached you because that's a skill set they know they need,
especially creating recruitment engagement and then also retention because requires
the cap you know, the military recruitment has always received
another lot of negative backlash day not reading there, their
number of which will become dangerous here pretty soon. Talk
to Nicole.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So I so what's funny is I have government as
my number one go Yes, I have as my goal too,
because here's one thing I know for Sean is no
matter what you do, your purpose is the one thing
you never.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Get fired from.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Right, So you're gonna line that with your work, not
only will you love it, but you overperform everybody else.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So yes, definitely I'm looking into more government.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You have to, because, like I said, that's the world.
And I'm really talking about that military side. You know,
the army, the Navy, all those little closes they always
said because of the fact that you know, you know,
it's like the police. You complain about the police to
you just die nine one one, okay, Hell, you complain
about the army till you said, who's protecting our borders? Okay? Right,
So that means that there are people out there that
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we need to be able to position to do those things.
And let's go back to a little bit because I
love the fact what you do now because you've always
been a person that has you know, sought our talent,
had an eye for talent in your casting days, let's
talk about that because being a person that win in
for auditions, who mailed this head shot in trying to
get cast, that was always an annoying part of my life.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What were you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Looking for in that genre when you was talking when
you when you was doing talent management and also casting.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know what's interesting is I've always been since I
was four or five years old, someone that could see
people's natural talent, and my friends called it bossy back then,
and I would like make.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Suggestions of what you should do.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So when I worked in TV and film, the thing
that was easy for me is when you came in
for an audition, I could see you right, so I
could look past whether you could act or not. That
was a whole nother conversation. I could see you and
how you could fit into the script. Acting is a
you know, you have to be able to act to
do that piece, but beyond just that, I had to
be able to see you inside of that role. So
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I think that was my gift, and that's really what
I do on entrepreneurs now is being able to see
or even corporate executives, being able to see who you
be and how that aligns with the work that you
should do well.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because sometimes people going from one role and you say,
you know, you'll fit better over here and so and
so that's important when sometimes in jobs that you do,
you might be doing this job, but that may not
be your strength. How do you break down the people
the reality of what their gift really is versus what
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That's so good?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I think many of us grow up in culture
where we make lists, right, I want two point five kids,
I want to have this house.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want to work in this career.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But we don't stop long enough to tap into our
soul and really understand who we be at our core.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So it's really looking beyond.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
What the world says, what perception says, and the list
that we make, to really get to know yourself on
a deeper level. I think when I meet many people,
it's not even that your original list isn't in alignment with.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What you're great at.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It may be that you just have outgrown that place
like that, and so it's really going to that next level.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Oftentimes I say God doesn't rumble you up because he's like,
okay with where you are. He's looking for who you
have not yet become right, And it's in that place
that we've got to do the work to move to
your next.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know what I always talk about on this show,
You know it's just an entrepreneurs show, really is a
show about life because you know, I talk about relationships.
That's what this show is about. Because if you don't
have poor community, you have poor communication and relationship. You
don't have a relationship, same thing as your job, same
thing as a business owner, same thing as an entrepreneur.
So do you take that global perspective when you're talking
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to your to clients or talking to people trying to
motivate them, and realize that the skill that you're giving
them should be universal.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So, really, to be honest with you, it's not even
about you. So when you think about what you do
for a living, it's about listen.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Profit. The word profit means gain.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So ultimately the goal is this, how are you gaining
for that person. If you're worried about gaining for your pocketbook,
you're always going to behind. Now I'm not saying don't
make money, because we want money making conversations, but if
you can up level that and understand that when you
bless somebody with the thing that you do, they're gaining
and ultimately, when you do the thing that you were
born to do, you're gaining for God because what you're
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doing is moving his agenda forward as you bless the
people that need you.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So it's bigger than just a check.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's about what impact are you making with the thing
that you do.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So, speaking to doctor Nicole and Robert Jones, and it's
about when I bring on the show. She has a
lot of natural instincts, and so we all have natural instincts,
but it's how you allow them to manifest themselves to
your dreams, you know. And when you start talking about
multiple streams of income, and that's I read that out
(06:30):
in her credit. You know, she always emphasized that can
you explain to people what exactly that is, just in
case they don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So, as an entrepreneur, if you're only working with your
clients and you have to be present, you're in capping
off two things. Obviously, you know, I'm going to say
how much money you make, but also how much transformation
that you're able to impact in this world. So when
you think about all the ways you can take your DNA,
your distinct natural ability and package it into multiple ways
you can serve people.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Most of them some of them, I.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Would say most, but some of them should be what
I call making money while you sleep. So right now,
somebody's going through one of my programs and I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm here with you. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I've had clients in Singapore and Aruba and listen and
Singapore are usually when I'm sleep there awake, and vice versa.
That means that they were going through a program or
they were going through one of my programs online and
I wasn't present. So when you look at all the ways,
and I think, if I give you a concrete example,
a lawyer that I work with before, and most lawyers think,
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and this.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Is replies to everybody that you know they have to
be present, and or lawyer is like, well, I can't
give legal advice, but there are.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
A whole lot of things that you know because you
would through law school that the typical person doesn't know.
So the lawyer that I'm thinking of in general or
specifically rather I should say, is a family practice lawyer.
And when I said to her, what do people come
to you for the most, so she said divorce. I said,
how many people do you turn away because they can't
afford your billible hours?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
She said, oh a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know, I think that I call it mailbox money.
You know, you open the mailbox. Ooo, Lord a chick,
that's mailbox money. And some people say I love that.
Some people used to terminology, you know, money while you sleep,
which is another terminology. The bottom line is that if
you are physically tied to the money that you make.
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That means that you are physically tied to that, which
means that you can't get sick, which means that you
have to worry about days off, which means you have
to worry about vacation, which you have to worry and
not saying that mailbox money prevents that from happening. But
guess what if you got another job and you get
mailbox money, and you got another job and you're making
money while you sleep. That determines the level of conversation.
(08:35):
We were saying, multiple streams of income, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And never give you another example if you don't mind,
because some people think this doesn't apply to them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I had a woman who was a gymnast. They used
to train kids. Now.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I met her, she was in her forties, and
I said to her, how much long are you gonna
be able to flip?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Let's keep it all the way real, so in.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
A minute, you're not gonna even get on the floor
flip how.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You gonna make money? She was silent.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I said, so what you need to realize now is
how do you shift it now before it's too late?
And what she said to me was because of course,
I suggested that you hire the people teach some of
your methodology and you can have other people teaching it.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
She said, well, somebody might steal it. I said, girl,
do you know what a lawyer is? Number one? Number
two two?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Why don't you buy the gym that you're doing this
stuff in so that you can use it more than
just your classes. You can rent it out, rent out
for parties and so so it's really thinking outside of
the box to all the other revenue opportunities that are
available to you instead of just again, think about it
in one way.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Now, you're so funny just changing for doctor cole Jo
Robert Jones. You know, if you got to watch her
listening to her as cool, you got to watch her.
She is so expressive. She's one of the people where
I wish I had known her in college. She would
have been a who because she's she's really You could.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
See your time you go off for drinks. We have
a good time.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You see the words come out of my mouth. You
see them, you know you see them, and they like
they like hitting you, like wow, she had something to say,
and that's why I love talking of it, which means
that that's why she's so successful because the fact she's
very expressive. But there's a conversation that allows you to
believe that that that can be part of your DNA. Now,
when we're talking about people who are afraid to create
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change in their life, create change in their relationships, I
always keep going back to relationship because a lot of people,
when I start talking about create change, start talking about job,
talking about fear. There are people out there with relationship
right now. They don't want to be in, but they're
afraid to make change. They're people out there working jobs
forty hours a week. They don't want to that. People
out there got a Hamburger sitting on their shef No,
it's no good, but they're afraid to make change. I
(10:33):
was talking to this company. They brought me in. They
had me sample all their food. I told them what
I didn't like about it, Because everybody knows I'm a foodie.
I said, I hate your fries. I said, I'm a
fried person. Change the fry. Oh no, our customers love
those fries. But are they what customer? Is it a
bunch of customers or just the customers who come through
that you try to get to a bunch of customers. Now,
a bunch of customers like that fry. Rishan has nothing
(10:54):
to say. But if just a few people like those fries,
and you're trying to get to a bunch, change those fries.
So that's the conversation. Did you you hone into people
all the time? People are resistant to change. Tell us
about that.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So you know, one of the things that I always
say is your comfort zone is where your dreams go
to die. Because what happens is when you're trying to
stay comfortable. That means, as my auntie, you always say,
don't limit God's ability to bless you because you can't
see this other possibility when faith hebrews and everyone says
faith is a substance of things, hope for the evidence
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of things not seen.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So your limiting was possible, but only by what you
can see.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And when God is wombling in something inside of you,
it's always going to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Than what you say. Oh no, I'm going to get
into the Bible. One my favorite Bible.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Versus the Features three twenty is if God is going
to do abundantly above all you could ask or think,
if it's bigger than what you've ever seen and what
you've ever thought of yes, go be scary, but that's
what God does his best work when we rely completely
and totally on him and expand what's possible.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That's my girl, doctor Nope, Nicole Robert Jones.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
Money Making Conversations master Class. Welcome back to Money Making
Conversations Master Class with me Rashaun McDonald.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now that's time to my little this part of you.
You know, if you fall away from the from the microphone,
from the radio, the podcast, you get close. She's about
to give out some steps now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So the book is back for all your brilliance.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
In that book gives you fifteen ways to profit from
your brilliance, your DNA, your your genius.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well one of the top ones that because my wife
always tells me this. She's she hear me on the
phone talking to people. You know, stop getting away your
intellectual property for free. And I always tell like clean,
nobody do it with me. And you know, and just
as a stand up comed I always go back to
where our stand up comedy is because I used to
know comedians. You know, they wouldn't go on stage and
(13:01):
do their best sets because they were afraid somebody might
steal that jokes. And I've always been in the mindset
is that I'm not a well that's going to run dry,
you know that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
But I always say, a second rate version of me
is never going to come the first.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Or come on now. So when stop giving away your
intellectual property for free? Tell us over that that's one
of your tips of how to bank roll your brothers.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I misunderstd your question got you, so yes, So listen,
we walk around overlooking our brilliance, meaning that we think, oh,
don't everybody know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
How to do this? Oh, this is easy, so.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
You give away content, context, advice, and if I give
you a tangible Except I have a girlfriend that's a journalist,
and she was talking about people call her and try,
you know, to ask how she got on TV. I said,
stop it. You know you're coaching people, right She said, oh, yeah,
you're giving away your cookie for free. So I need
you to stop doing that. And so she created a
whole on air academy. So it's really understanding. How do
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you not understanding? It's really unseeing.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That you have value that people will pay for. That
makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, it's kind of interesting because I guess the level
of people that call me, because you know, they would
probably not be signing up for online class. Go who
just called to I?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Go?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Well, they just need some advice. But I know that exactly,
and I think maybe one day I'll sit down with you,
Dr Jones, because I need that coaching. You know, because
people always tell me that I ei the word genius,
a brilliant ability to the marketing brand things. I've done
it so many years consistently, but I haven't been able
to wrap my head around how does that feel like
(14:31):
a course? How do you look like a person like me?
They tell me I need to write a book, you know,
some people say in any documentary on you, you know? Right? So,
but these are compliments? But how do you turn compliments
into revenue?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So the first thing that I do with my clients
is we create what I call a blueprint or a methodology.
So because you cannot see the label from inside the jar,
what do I mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, so don't judge me. This is not kool, Like
this is vitamin water, Okay, but on.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
This water bottle there is a If you live inside
a jar and the labels on outside, you can't see
what you do. So then when you try this is
why it's Harvey Rashan, You try to then package what
you do into some kind of methodology to teach people.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's hard because you just do it effortlessly.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So it's really helping some having someone that can produce you.
So this is where I say my TV infim from
casting to producing comes into play, because really, what I
do is take you through an exercise where I'm producing
the value that is coming out of you effortlessly. I
can see it, we write it down, we create a
methodology from it. Now, what do I mean by that?
Most people have a think about it like this. When
I wake up in the morning and I wash my face,
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I have a whole routine that I rush my teeth,
wash my face, put on my makeup. If I forget
to do something, it's because I did something out of order.
I have a methodology and so when I'm outside of it,
something is off and I can feel it. It's the
same way we each function in our gifts and we
don't realize it because we're on autopilot. So it's really
taking the time to have someone help you do that,
(15:57):
and you can't do it because again, you can't see
the label. So there'll be things that you overlook which
we intrinsically all do.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
That you know, I agree with this habit because like
when I travel, if I break tradition, like for instance,
I travel, will always have a carry bag, and sometimes
I had a carry bag I can put in the
up top. Like when I went to Orlando, I didn't
bring the carry bag to put up top. I just
checked luggage and child. When I got up from that plane. See,
(16:23):
I was like, okay, something I'm talking right.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
You really have.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
To be aware of doing things successfully and a habit way,
because you break habit, it does impact your life.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, and so what an essence you have to do
is take the thing that you've been doing. Look, every morning,
when I wake up, I can't wake up and say
I think I feel like being Rashaan today. Yeah, that
will not work every day I'm automatically in a call.
So again, there's things that I do that I don't
even realize that I'm doing. My husband sometimes laughs at me,
like do you realize you do this? Like I laugh,
and then I always do at the end of me
laugh and.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm like, I didn't know I did that.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So it's again that's who I am, and what I
do is I laugh really hearty and I feel like
I need to breathe after I laugh.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
But I'm sharing that because all of us do things
that we don't realize that we're doing. So it's really
taking the time to hire someone that can pull that
out of you so that you can then create programming
from that. That is the yummy stuff that gets left
out when people are building businesses.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I am going to We're going to connect because I
think that I need to bring you into my life
to develop that platform because I really don't know what
to do. I really don't know. But everything you're saying
is absolutely correct, and if you have time, I will.
You know, this interview is about you, Yes, what I
do for a living, I'm getting I'm getting personal now
(17:43):
you know this is my show. It's about me now
you know, ain't about you no more? Hey, what time
can we connect so I can tell you my life
story so we can make some money, because that's what
it's about. It's about making money, but making money off
your experience, making money off your value and then but
it's also you know, stepping out your comfort zone. And
I think that's one of the things that you talk
about a lot, because I can't do what you do,
(18:05):
like you just said, I can't wake up and do
ujah because but but I gotta lean in your direction
because you the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And if here's the other.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Thing too, U Sean, when you think about that, is
there will be some people that think.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh, she's too much and I am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Too much for you, right, But there are some people
that love me because I'm very animated. That's who I am,
so some people try to turn it down. I stop
letting people turn down my life.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
This is who I am. I didn't create this.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
God did.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So what I'm saying when I turned down my light
is God made a mistake instead of being all of
who I am and knowing that there are some people
that I'm assigned and aligned with and some I'm not,
and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's for all of us.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And the more you get clear on that, the better
your life, your business.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Even.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I love how you talk about relationships. Everything is in
relay is how we relate to one another. And so
when you start to be you fully and completely, that's
when people can really relay with you.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And that's really the truth. And I think that there's
a comfort zone with you in communicating because I interview
people all the time. I can't tell you how many
people I probably could have said, you know so, Nicole
or doctor nic Cole Rubbert shows we need to connect
because I can't do something because my whole career is
tied to Rashaan McDonald knows everything. Raean McDonald. I remember
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Steve Harvey's overas saying, Sean, do you really think you
know everything? I go, yeah, yeah, what you want to do?
Say no that that that's not part of my DNA.
But part of my DNA is to have answers. And
that's what makes me successful when people come to me
with answers. And so when you so, if I tell
people publicly that as a leader, you know, they always
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tell you can't show any signs of weakness, and so
that sometimes as a leader, you tend to not go
to somebody who may be a subordinate not saying you
are subordinate, but somebody else who has a different skill
set in the midt You can't do that, and they
might use that against you. I'm just telling you, you've
created a confidence zone with me that I don't feel
negative spirit when I tell you I need your help.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Well, here's the other thing too, Rashan, I don't think
any of us are born to fit in the box.
Each of us were born to disrupt whatever system are
called to work in. What do I mean by that?
So if I work in corporate, corporate or it is
already corporate, Corporate doesn't need more of corporate. So if
I go in there with all my flowery you know,
bol colors and I'm all animated, they love it. But
some people will try to find the box of corporate
(20:24):
and going there and they wonder why they're not coming
back for more and more. Corporate doesn't need more of corporate,
and they're hiring you because they need you to be
different than that system. And so I think so many
of us try to fit into a box, and God
never intended for us to fit in any kind of box.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I don't know someone she in she's not fitting
in my box. I'm talking to formative speaker. She will
tell you how to bank roll your brilliance, Doctor Nicole
Robert Jones.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
This has been money Making Conversation Masterclass with me Rashaan McDonald.
Thanks to our I guess and our audience. Visit Money
Making Conversation dot com to listen, or register to be
a guest on my show. Keep leading with your gifts,
keep winning
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